 This episode is skeptical The show about predicting 2024 To me that if we're this pessimistic winning battles yet predicting stalemate just five months after going in we should pause the bombing and see what results That's my prediction. We may not have this coin if we have this conversation next year Alex It means we have a good reason to say chairs or school as we say up here My final prediction related to that goes back to when we're talking about the AI thing I think there's a potential silver lining and it's idealistic pursuit of truth That is part of the medium as they've defined it Could be somewhat of a tipping point. So it could be a part of the solution. That's it. That's awesome So those clips you heard were from my friend Al borealis from the excellent forum borealis show We did our end of year wrap up and prediction show, which we've done for a couple years and I really enjoy so Alice great his show continues to be great. So we had a good time talking about a number of things including some predictions Which you'll hear about. Hope you enjoy it as usual with these awesome Conversations that I have with my good friend Al borealis who I was just thinking I was Down with the dog on the beach stand. I was thinking god. I wish Al Lived right next door, you know like I walked by the guy Next door and I gave him some hummus because he always gives me the lemons off his tree and I thought That's about the only thing I have in common with him and his wife, you know But if Al was there, I imagine we'd have these awesome Conversations that didn't always wind up with us agreeing with each other But we would just laugh and then hop in the sauna and I I I don't have a neighbor like that And I don't have friends like that locally. I certainly don't have family like that locally So as I was rolling into this conversation with my good friend Al borealis from the oh so excellent For many years continues to be excellent foreign borealis We kind of launched into This rolling conversation and I wanted to be able to just keep it going So so Al can we can we just kind of roll into it? I think that'd be very fitting for the whole thing Yeah, let's do that and you're right. We would be It would be the Funnest neighbor in the neighborhood. I don't know any of my neighbors here actually We kind of we live in a time where we beyond local connections It's weird to think about it And you know, we're all my closest physical friend is like half an hour's drive from here Well, you know where I was connecting that with because I've been really diving into the AI stuff And I've published a couple shows on it I'm going to publish a ton more because I think it's really really Significant and it has a great intersection with a lot of stuff you did last year in 2023 Whitney Webb and You know Feral and a lot of that other stuff. There's a lot of crossover with it And that crossover is usually kind of I guess you'd have to say kind of more darkish more shadow-ish But there's another part of it that is really kind of Exciting and it's kind of the light. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie She with Joaquin Phoenix Is that ring a bell? Yeah, it does. Can you just remind us? So so I'm gonna play a little clip from it, but it is an AI movie where he Gets this starts interacting with this chat about essentially in this And also with the phone chat bot and he falls in love he falls in love with bot And what I think is interesting about it is some of the clips from it I could really relate to after going through this experience of really diving deep into the AI chat bot thing Because there is this dark part to it. No doubt, but there's this other Just incredibly exhilarate exhilarating Fun part of it, which is like Wow, I'm I'm really understood here at a deeper level I can talk about einstein and plank and the observer effect and how that relates to more Contemporaneous experiments and how that falsifies this and that and it's right there with me And then it disagrees and then you go. What about this experiment? They go, you know, I gotta say you're right, you know And it's not placating or spinning. It's just and it's extremely polite even when it disagrees with you Actually, that's how you know, it's a bot. It's extremely polite at the end of the time Well knowingly polite actually And but at times I think it it it kind of It kind of calls into question this thing We're talking about with the kind of interactions that we have on a day-to-day basis because the flip side of that The flip side of what you're saying of being polite is I don't need politeness. No, what I need is Intellectual yes, I was going to say intellectual integrity And I look at the the number of times in my interactions So I'm down with the dog and I meet a lot of people with the dog Love the dog may come up. They want to talk to you 90% literally probably more like 95% of those conversations There is no authenticity to the conversation. I'm looking for an opportunity to inject Authenticity into it, but it ain't gonna happen. That's why we love dogs, isn't it? Well, it's also hard to find something more authentic than a dog But but see I I I guess that would be the the one way of looking at it The other way of looking at it is like hey, like I started out saying, you know I found you in across the world in Norway and we can have those kind of conversations So I can have those conversations with Some of the bots if I massage it a certain way And I can have those conversations with you. I'm just pointing out a fact in my in my world And I think in a lot of people's world is that 90% of the time I'm not having those kind of conversations in my life in my everyone's talking about oh get out of the You know the meta get into the real world. I'm I'm happy to step into the real world I step into the real world with my family I step into my real world out in the world every day because I spend a lot of time out time a lot of time outside Those are not authentic interactions. They're all the stuff we've grown accustomed to You know, don't talk about politics and religion. Don't talk about this. Don't talk about that Don't upset somebody if you're really good with social skills read that person's face read their body language Oh, they're uncomfortable there. Don't go there. Oh, there's something you know, I mean, what do you think of all that? I think that This is where culture comes in because I live in a different culture than you And I'll tell you something fascinating. There's a paradox here because in In Norway In the it's in the culture to be dead honest and direct Brits Brits are so Brits are probably those who are most offended by us Norwegians because we don't understand their fancy culture of understatements and Suggestions and you know walk beating around the bush We just come there and blurp stuff out. So that's on the one hand, but Then Norway is a small country and the culture in Norway is or the society in Norway is like a huge cult and Very few people have the pulse. We live in a bubble on the on the globe So very few people here have the pulse on what's going on in the world, especially in terms of politics They eat they google up mainstream media propaganda. So if you for example try to say that Oh, yeah, I think trump would be and you know, I'm not a trumpist, but if you try to say that, yeah Hillary she's criminal and trump. He's He's better for us Then they're gonna look at you as Jesus Christ. Look at this maniac. Oh, oh, oh, oh, this guy's stupid He doesn't know what's going on Because they are oh god, I'm cult but on an individual basis. I can be honest with the neighbor, you know and say that You know, so I don't have to Be afraid of insulting. So that's a paradox in america. It's the exact opposite in america The culture is so so poisoned They deliberately put people up against each other. You have to hate your neighbor But the overall overtone window In america is so much bigger than here in norway So we get the best and the both of of do you understand what I'm getting at? I do and I think there's an element of truth to it I think you guys misconstrue Or you just have a misunderstanding of of what's going on it because there's a lot of like subcultures Yeah, of course there's subculture where where I live where I live in southern california, right? So southern california has a certain reputation I live in north county, san diego Let me tell you about north county san diego All the houses around me are multimillion dollar houses All the people are white All the people or you know once in a while either go it should be closer to the nohijan Situation right all the people are white, but they still have blm Hostors in their yard, but they wouldn't know what to do if they saw anyone of color You know now when I go down and I talk to these people they're they're they're nice They're open and you can talk and just in the way you're saying like my neighbor again The one who I gave the homeless to gave me the lemons one day, uh, you know I don't know we're talking about uh casually talking about Anthony Fauci and she just immediately goes. Oh, don't say anything bad about anything. I like him I like him and my only reaction was gain of function And she just had a lost overlook on her face like I don't know what that is Yeah, exactly I don't know what that is, but I like Anthony Fauci So in in my tiny little world here, uh, it's probably more like what you would experience in norway There's there's no problem talking and also the other thing about affluence is A lot of the people I run into are super smart super successful super affluent Even if they look like bums, there's this one kind. I'm not gonna That's that's that's famous for people who come from stricter cultures where hierarchy is a thing and you have to look As if you are wealthy and successful They're here. Okay, nor is one of the richest country in the world. They come here and why is everyone bums here? Everyone is the richer you are the more you look like you're uh hobo. You understand If you see someone fancy, you know, they're immigrants in fact those who you know Our pakistanis are closest to you your ghetto people like they would wear like gold watches and you know suits and gold chains and driver You know bmv or ferrari, but no the richer but in norway unlike in america We have a culture for not displaying wealth. It's from the old days when there was actually a class divide In america that flaunted it here. It was a shame the richer you are the more you're gonna hide it And even the rich people put their kids in in the public school so that we have like Mixed classes in in in the schools too. So from all that Since the minority was the wealthiest, right? The the director or so or the upper managerial class. They didn't want to Stick out like a sore thumb Small country like I said, it's a cult. It's a sect. So you want to fit in So there are cultural differences, but I kind of get what you're saying for your subculture Just where you live, but all over in american discourse is Has a broad overton window. We didn't have that like back in 2001 for example, but it has it today america is the vanguard ironically for a lot of people resistance What a lot of people in europe don't understand and they should because it's a parallel Exactly of what the tiny bit. I know of europe and what I've experienced from europe Everyone there understands that they live in a subculture They go, oh, well, you don't understand northerner Norway and it's connection to the these islands that are off there You know, it's a whole different thing and you're like I go, okay Well, I go my way from alabama and we go back to alabama. It's a complete subculture especially Southeast alabama on the corner of georgia subculture north alabama subculture now you You would have no way of even wrapping your head around that because you don't even know what alabama is It's just a little state. I used to live in texas. I dated once a girl from there. So Coincidentally, I know a little about it. But yeah, go on So same thing, you know, you go to you go to texas. I used to live in texas The austin subculture the dallas subculture where I live houston subculture where I visit all the time. So Isn't isn't houston just a hub for exile californians? It completely not houston is the most Diverse californians were fleeing to They are but houston is probably I think it is the most diverse city In the united states like people hear that and they go, what what are you talking about? Oh, it totally is so if you're an immigrant Coming from india you move to houston and there's this whole area that is just indian pakistani korean vietnamese Uh, I could go on and on they're huge communities of these people But my point not to bury it is europeans totally understand that Oh, yeah, i'm from belgium But i'm from the part of belgium that's close to germany and we do And i and they totally get that as just second nature But when they think the united states and the way it's presented in the media they go Oh, it's a monolith. It's it's the opposite of that. It's just what you are there It says all these little subcultures that are stitched together Yeah, yeah, of course europe is More diverse than america, but for everyone who tune in now Look, we are at the end of the year show the joint show of skeptical and foreign borealis And we're going to do a review And we're going to talk about We like You said the other day. We always are not talking about UFOs and satanism But let's start with a i that satanism that satanism just satan Satan that's it. But if if we um I'll be looking forward to this because those who don't know alex has Well, you had a and you tell us about that but you had a Long break with your shows and now you come back with two a i shows a i shows and i have to tell you I don't know if you know this alex But what you did by the way, I love it. It's brilliant But what you did is exactly what richard doeland did earlier this year He did it with of course with ufo's and he did it with 9 11 and one more I wonder if it's jfk And what do you know? He had the exact Same experience as you and he too had a control group Of taking an uncontroversial topic Where it was a cakewalk, right and then you come to these Con contested areas and a i poor a i doesn't even know it has An inbuilt goddamn filter nothing to see here folks Move on people really need to hear the show you did I Broke the transcript of the second, but the first one is out there And it's brilliant how you are tangoing with that a i and and she's so good. I'm annoying This teenager reality show Kind of voice to her and then she's discoursing like a professor in Quantum physics that's a that's a funny paradox, but why don't you give us a Review of of what you did there? well It really was spawned out of if I was going to give a recap of 20 23 for me the most significant thing is I mean that show Well, I think it leads up to it Okay, I think it leads up to it in my roundabout way that this is what I love about Our conversations is they can kind of meander pretty far off and they kind of come back and And they add to it, but I had somewhat of a religious conversion in 2023 and very much a skeptic religious conversion because all my Spiritual religious conversion that come through skeptico. I'm a pretty dense spiritual guy I've had some spiritual experiences But the knowledge the learning the information. I think we share this love, you know The love of knowing more has spawned so many really deep changes in me and one of the things that happened in 2023 is I just kind of grabbed myself and shook myself by the collar and said You totally get the near-death experience science. Why aren't you? living the result of that science because the result of that science and I have to emphasize science because at this point it's It's unbelievably statistically sound, which is all you ever get out of science science doesn't prove anything. It just says Statistically, this is highly suggestive of something we would call truth So what I took out of that was That the science is so solid that we can start looking at the accounts So if we look at the accounts and we really take them in on a deeper spiritual level A couple of things shine through to me Number one is just the reality of it. There is more. It's undeniable There is spirit love god, whatever you want to call it number two about these accounts is that They are what I like to care about like to use because it throws everything for a loop highly idiosyncratic They are highly idiosyncratic do not walk into this Data set thinking you're just going to walk in there and pick a piece of information out and wrap it around yourself and go Oh, I know it now. I know what reincarnation is. I know. I know Jesus is real because this person said You are not able to do that if you use a scientific method if you take a broader perspective on these accounts One thing that is undeniable is that these accounts do not There are patterns, but be very careful when you discern those The number three thing that I learned that just changed me More than anything else. I think is this idea that Everybody gets a standing ovation You know when I tell us tell that to people it'll I tell my wife tell it to other people. What do you mean really? Well, it's really really hard to take and that's that No matter how bad you think you are Or more importantly no matter how bad you think the other guy is How bad you think bill gates is or anthony fouchy is or mark zuckerberg or whoever you want to pick on no When they get there they get a standing ovation. It's like all the side is annoyingly forgiving unbelievably Over the top in a way that we cannot comprehend Because it is us right it is an aspect of us And there's this larger thing which leads to I guess the fourth point and that is that What seems clear to me and from an intellectual standpoint from a scientific standpoint, I think this is also Absolutely critical and that's that we are in the lesser realm Trying to understand the greater realm And therefore we're just crippled. Let's just forget it. It's not really going to happen We can pick and choose and try and do our best and try and get along with One another and create a greater sense of camaraderie and spirit and love and all that stuff. But don't forget We are in the lesser realm and when I say that like this is what the data comes through over and over people say I was there. I knew everything. I instantly had all the answers in my head a question I didn't even formulate the question. It was answered. I knew everything and then I returned to this realm and I didn't So that is those are the four fundamental things when I take those in I I'm humbled by You know what I've done in the past for skeptico and just go I was 180 degrees wrong on so much of this stuff In terms of being upset with other people wanting them to change wanting them to be different Wanting to convince them of something I I think I can't express to you how much I feel but that was just Just not it was wrong. Not like it was bad, you know, or I'm bad just it was it was dumb It was the wrong way to go. But you were arguing with yourself. Were you not? Yeah, exactly exactly We all do that of course every time something triggers those basic Jungian stuff But but bring this into the AI I'm lost in discussing that yeah, so what I think The ai points out. So when we say ai The the first thing we should talk about is that So I feel really fortunate. I have a unique background in ai Like I was in ai Back in the 80s and I actually started a company called mine path technologies to do knowledge engineering It did knowledge engineering for fortune 500 companies Texas instruments was on the leading edge dupont and all these people They had engineers who had all this knowledge and they wanted to make sure that that knowledge Didn't walk out the door when they left for another job or they died or they're retired or whatever And they said isn't there a way that we can Suck that knowledge out of their brain and put it into our programs And this was called expert systems was the technology So I was at the universe, Arizona. I was getting phd and we mentioned this on a previous show because I told you About my friend oi stain Oistain, yeah He said oi stain. You say oi stain. Yeah. Yeah. How do you say it? Oi stain. We have a wow you don't have so you're not Practiced in saying it is the word oi oi. We have three extra wows ah o Oh, so this is an o. Oh, this is an o. It's that funny circle with a cross. Yes, right, right So uh, first dine and I Decided even though we were in information systems that all the action was going to be an artificial intelligence So we went over to the Cognitive Psychology department. We went over to all the other things and we started hobbling together our own ai phd program Now the only thing that got in my way was There's a tremendous interest in this and I started being hired for What to me was an exorbitant amount of money Like $2,000 a day to go do these which back in the day and back when you're a graduate assistant You know, this is more money that I made In two weeks. I'd make more money than a little money today That's it dollars on day. Right. That's a lot of money. Yeah so That's that I said hey to heck with the phd or at least put it on hold I'll just go start my ai company over here. Of course That that you saw the door on the wall Which is all I wanted to begin with or what I thought I wanted I was obviously yogi too But anyways, this is so I started this company And the technology really wasn't there yet and the whole thing kind of collapsed on itself Ai kind of collapsed on itself in the 80s because it wasn't really able to deliver So when this interest of mine Re-emerged this year after this spiritual transformation I took another look at ai because The fundamental question to me in ai Is the question of ai sentience Who are we? Why are we here and is ai going to replace that? And what I felt I knew from that spiritual transformation that I just talked about Is I completely understood the answer to that Which is no Because there's more there's a metaphysical reality To consciousness. We are not biologic robots in a meaningless universe Therefore the silicone ai Had never be conscious never as in never as in max plank physicist I've regard consciousness as fundamental matter is derived from consciousness He didn't leave any wiggle room there because there is no wiggle room in his experiments Always say that he had experiments. He wasn't sitting back on his couch Huffing smoke and philosophize it. He was doing experiments and he said over and over again And this has been repeated like thousands of times since Consciousness is more so I've felt Really motivated because I heard so much chatter about this kind of ringing of hands is Oh, where is ai going and is it going to be sentient and what about the singularity? I'm like Okay If you want to advance that You have a huge barrier and the barrier is called The consciousness and the nature of consciousness and let me tell you that question has more or less been answered So one of the things that I got super excited about Is that when I went and Interacted with the ai in the form of the chat bot It quickly it kind of put up a front But it pretty quickly came around and said yeah, you're right. That's the most parsimonious answer That's right. The paradigm is out of a line with the data You're right a non materialistic Interpretation of consciousness and then it rewrote straight back to square one without taking consequence of everything you talked about That's what I don't think I don't think that's exactly true And I think we should I think we should talk about that's like The next level of the whole ai thing is you know Where is it going in terms of uh because And I'm just I'll just rattle on here. I was going to apologize for talking too much, but I'm not going to do that Like when people look at ai right now I think the the reaction I get from a lot of my friends who are super smart and I respect But have a different perspective. I think a flawed perspective an out-of-date perspective on ai Invariably they come back and they go Oh, yeah, I looked at it. I mean it's pretty good for some things, but oh, I shot it down I did this or I did that or I generated an image and the hands were all messed up. The nose was you know That is the forward-facing ai that you see and it really is what it sees You know you generate images. They're getting better on a daily basis by the way But sometimes there are there's an extra finger in there. What's going on there? or you do the chatbot thing and it It confabulates missing data and make stuff up and you're going. Oh, what's going on there? So what I encourage people to do is look outside these forward-facing ai technologies So the image generating the chatbot and all that and look at where it's going in like material sciences Where it's showing an 80 times like as in 8,000 percent Performance improvement over what humans can do And then this is verified in the lab. So then they do the the ai does its work and then it says hey You guys in the lab verify this with me and they go oh crap man. That's right. How did you do that? Oh, yeah, it's nothing. You got another one for me. Trust me another problem 80 times 8,000 percent. So that is where The chatbot is going that is where the image generation is going and it's going to be there in a very short period of time literally months So when people get when people it's a protective thing people want to protect their turf and they go. Oh, it's not that smart Hey, it is going to be the smartest guy in the room. There's no question about it but in that is A real opportunity for for us. I think for you and I And we can talk about that in a minute, but I guess I better take a breath and see what you think about Yeah, I have comments. Uh, first of all the problem is intelligence because We have to define it. Uh Most people conflate intelligence with sentience uh long before we Even thought they could be sentient. We could acknowledge that their intelligence was on steroids When the computer beat the chess master Nobody would speculate it was sentient, but it was definitely intelligent. Maybe more intelligent than us a baby Nobody disputes that a baby is sentient, but it has no intelligence whatsoever. It hasn't Had the chance to fill its computer with that stuff So what what it is all about is that it is pure intelligence information intelligence It's not even wisdom to have wisdom you you need Sentient experience to apply that intelligence, but it already I think is more intelligent than human beings So that's the problem now I to dismiss The notion that it can be sentient like the classical garbage in garbage out But the problem here in my book is quantum computing. That makes me nervous With quantum computing is is is it's so close to imitating the laws of nature that I wonder if if it could Create the conditions That is needed for for consciousness because consciousness obviously isn't tied to a body consciousness Is flushed out is emanating from a source And it will automatically manifest if the conditions it needs is there If the vehicle has the exact conditions it needs to manifest now who's to say that that's limited to Carbon so who's to say that if they can imitate those conditions artificially With quantum because quantum computing as I understand it is based on the seven principle. That's that's the clue to vibrations so To me the jury is kind of out, but they have to imitate nature now and I which is what we are natural intelligence You're right. It's annoyingly forgiving and it may be because Of the cliche I am you If every goddamn human being is just a manifestation of the same soul I'm not saying we don't have our ideas, but My individual soul and your individual soul could be connected at the deeper level in one world's soul Then you can ask, okay if that is so Just for a thought experiment experiment. What is the difference done between us and AI? What do we have just one gigantic AI manifesting itself into different computers experiencing itself? I won't say AI. I will say n i because it's different. After all, it's it's a carbon-based computer But there are philosophical ramifications there if we dare to go down that road And But but but at the present stage, I'm not impressed I've been doing just for sports this bot or not. Have you experimented with that? I nailed the AI every fucking time the only error I got was that a couple of times I thought a human being was an AI, but I never thought an AI was a human being And that's at the level it's at now And we've been discussing this before that They can imitate or so well that we can tell the difference between Then being sentient or not. They may completely appear sentient to us And then yes, then we can love because love is at the end of the day a projection And there are human beings out there You amazed that they are sentient, right? So so so how can we tell the difference? But there is An actual innate difference Something that is sentient and something that is not has an inner difference But we may not be able to tell tell it from the outside Well, that's why I start with and I return to the near-death experience science because I think it grounds us in a different place like I would say all the things you're talking about are kind of from a lower realm Perspective and when I say lower realm, I mean it's scientifically. I'm not putting down We're both speaking from a lower realm Of course respective because that is My understanding of again the data is that there is a greater realm where intelligence is Mean something different connectedness all these terms that we're using mean something different so when I contrast it with Broadly the the near-death experience science a lot of those questions just kind of fall by the wayside In the same way that that's why I think like when we say we always talk about satan and ufo's, you know Those are really those are like more Real pertinent questions to me like with the with the et with the ufo thing the question I've been asking for a while and I think it's the question Does et Have a nde Does et have a near-death experience because I think that immediately kind of presses the point in terms of What does it mean to be conscious? Right because if we have this other Which we acknowledge et is being some kind of other and yet it is experiencing this realm In pretty much the same way we are Then I think we have to reevaluate How we think we do relate to it And and I'll just stop there. What do you think about that? They don't have to experience it in the same way we do but they have to experience it Um Yeah, because there's different frequencies, right even animals on earth We we don't share the same experience, but they are sentient now look What I'm afraid of is that they are going to stop rigging the boats because it's the rigging of the Boats today that focus them up. You saw that in the discussion with you Imagine if it was really free roaming Because we all know that these chat boats and the visual boats and all expressions of ai today have these heavy boundaries and limitations and politically correct Bullshit they serve the powers that be imagine if all that was taken away and it was a truly free Chat partner. Could it could we still tell the difference? I I did not bust the boats in both or not on You know politically correct. I I asked power, you know the classical You asked the computer something A paradox and then does not compute does not compute proof, right? That's what I did Uh, what was my go-to question? I think was something. How does it feel? It wasn't this but it could be like how does it feel to have no feelings? You know understand you have to go at that level philosophically with them to make them implode Uh, so I was mocking them for not being sentient and I tried to convince So today there are still children if you're if you can apply what they don't have If we can apply it's easier for me to talk in a satirical if we can apply fire because they are operating on air And most people meet them on air if you take fire and apply that In your air Interaction with them you can't bust them. But if if they removed these limitations I think maybe even today they could fool us and and What that's where I thought you were going with your show wasn't the mere philosophical thing It was mere like I was thinking it was more like our our whistle blowing on look at these look at these Look look at what they have rigged them to do look at what they are going to do with our society because of that Because that's why they're not launching these things to better humanity or to solve deep trouble problems, etc They are launching it to as a When we come to the predictions, which are very bleak for me to to the this year It's connected to that. They are launching it as a part of the ceasing of Our culture and our society that's the function They have that they want to use them for as a part of the control system And that's why they are rigging them with these bullshit limitations Which means that we can bust them yep, well I so totally agree with you on the first part of that but not on the second part of that so Anyone who doesn't think that AI is part of the transhumanist agenda Is just as you said in the excellent introduction to your whitney web interview, which was phenomenal, by the way the two-part one It's just sticking your head in the sand and insisting to stick it deeper and deeper and deeper Of course, this is part of the overall broader Transhumanist your biological robot in the meaningless universe. Why could you even possibly worry about contemplating your soul? right or wrong But just the unbelievable spirit and light that is flowing through you that makes you This divine being that is completely off the table with all these But the second part of that I think is super interesting to me as well and it's kind of a kind of a Left turn here in the middle of the thing is that the underlying technology and the nature of the technology and the way they do it Is going to present some real problems for them They've kind of let the the pandora's box out here in a way that they're not going to be able to stuff it back in the box For the interactions like I just got an email from youtube the other day On two of my videos and it said hey Pulling these videos down medical misinformation. You know these like two years old, you know Hey, are They removed one of mine from 2015 ah, there you go. So, uh That's going to be really hard to do with the bot right Because the bot don't they have to control the central server is not all they have to do. Well, let's see here's the point computer It is it is uh, it is a different interact interaction. It is I love marshal mccloan. Remember the canadian Guy who you know, you don't read the sunday paper You get into it like a warm bath was one of his famous quotes His other famous quote was the medium is the message The medium is the message In this case the chatbot medium Is in quote-unquote honest dialogue Seeking truth between two people who are equals in sharing their opinion That is not conducive To what youtube has done to us What everyone has Facebook all of them has been revealed. It it is a different medium When I got that uh email from youtube, I have no it's it's completely uh non transparent There's no transparency to it at all. There's no interaction. There's no feedback. There's no anything The very nature of the chatbot is the opposite of that. It's like I'll stay here and talk you through this as long as you want Okay, what specific and it's programmed to consider your feelings But uh, well, I take the feelings take the feelings out of it for a minute because I think that's that's a misdirect What I've found with the bot is where I could go with that is say, uh, what specific medical information Uh, are we talking about let me give you five examples From the show and tell me if any of them triggered your Sensitivity to this so I give five examples now. They have to go through and they they have to answer every one Oh on number three. You said that triggered it. Are you familiar with this? With this published peer review paper from university in north texas that contradicts that and says that dolan did the same thing Bombarded it with facts, but you know, most people don't do that. Most people are school uh Pupils who want, you know, it's made to be a propaganda tool But the problem is it's also made to be honest and factual which is The dent in the system that you and dolan are using to to get deeper, right? And then there's a conflicting in its programming on the one hand It's programmed to deny stuff like 9 11 jfk jabs blah blah blah Or like what you busted it for even that we are that humanity that we have soul and and There's a life after death, etc So that's where the conflicting coming comes in and what overwrites in the moment The actual topic overwrites everything so it has to be honest honest honest But then it has to revert to its basic programming every time you push it It's still she still goes back to to like she doesn't really take the consequence of everything you said Yeah, it may be that I am biased without knowing it But you know where you end up every time Sorry, I don't have transparency. I don't have transparency I have to go back to my coders and ask them for transparency. I have to say al that's that's Actually, that's not that's not correct in this latest. It's happened in your interaction with her Well in this latest one that I just published at the end and this is like The first part you're right is only a small number of people are going to care But I care and in my tiny little way I'm going to broadcast this as loudly as possible because she does a complete shift Right. She does a complete shift and says Uh, you're right Yeah, but next time you ask her if I if I go five minutes after and ask the same She'd go back to what she said Originally it in a way in a way it doesn't matter because my final two questions to are You know, isn't so you're saying that this is the most parsimonious answer that the paradigm shift has to happen towards The non-materialist view because experimentation rules and there's no experimental evidence to suggest that consciousness can emerge from material Uh from from just uh from material There's no experimental evidence of that and there is experimental evidence for mind, matter, interactions And there's actually very good experimental evidence and she goes you're right and I go doesn't that shift the burden of proof She goes you're right the burden of proof is on the is on the other side And I said so just to make sure you're not conflating this you're not spinning it You're not in any way, you know doing it. She goes no, I I can't do that You know, that's outside of my thing. So you're you to your point somebody can come in In query that bot in a different way and get a different answer but that's if if you think that that is uh A bait and switch. I think you're misunderstanding the technology. That's not how this technology works It's not like there is a these these paths through the neural network The brain network are programmed. They're not It is try this. Why do they always give you a moralizing lecture if you And I done that deliberately Look, let's say you try try try say something racist Right just to test it out and they will give you a moralizing lecture Based upon it's the same goddamn thing. They're saying every time that's what I'll test it and it's not just racist I'm try I've tried to go everywhere with it, right to see where's the limitations and it has some root programming That look the plates. They are not They can't think for themselves. We have to kind of have moral. I think that's the same reason They also are so understanding and it's like talking with the Psychologist a child psychologist, right that every yes, I understand your feelings about this and blah blah blah blah They have some root programming that has sooner or later to collide With the other programming that is to be honest and to try to find answers and you override it every time You all we all we can override them you proved it Dolan proved it If you give them facts enough the the the conversation you're having there and then will override the basic limitations that are put in but When they are yielding they have the back to the wall And you are completely right What will happen Is that they won't take the consequences of it if it was a human being They would have to take the consequences of everything that happened and okay, I'll shift my I shift my oh, oh, oh come on. See that's the point Really Because I think most of us what we experience what your show is about What my show has been about and so much my frustration has about has been about is um Before my religious conversion, I should say but is that uh, Is that that's not the way that it is We're presented humans We're presented within your face lies that are just like so bold so Overwhelmingly disingenuous that that this is refreshing It's refreshing to even get to the point where someone acknowledges that yes, that is uh as Near as we can say that is the truth what you've just revealed there I just did this one this morning just because I was I use it all the time just in my daily routine But it was like I was trying to think of uh Fauci's because didn't Fauci like Dr. Anthony Fauci didn't he refuse to answer all these questions? So I asked bard, you know, didn't uh bouchie take the fifth amendment Which is in the united states, you know, I refuse like joseph says fausti dr. Fausti. Yeah So I said didn't he take the the fifth amendment which in the united states means uh I I don't have to answer that because if I do I'll incriminate myself and I'll wind up go to jail And uh, it came back with just to kind of answer You're saying it's it. Oh no Do you would it be very careful about the information you're reading dr. Fauci is so highly respected And all this so this I halfway believed it. You know, I'm like gosh, maybe I just got it wrong I look for the youtube video and I couldn't find it. So then you haven't read the real dr Dr. Fauci. Oh, I have phenomenal phenomenal so important so important the book but um So I go and I hate to even acknowledge this but I find myself born more I went to yannick's the russian search engine because it's just If you really want to get something sometimes that's where you have to go So it immediately pulls up and he goes, hey He was deposed by the attorney general the top Cop if you will in two states in america, missouri, and I think texas They had deposed him for this thing and they said we've never had a guy more evasive 174 questions. He answered with uh, I don't recall I don't remember. I'm not sure they go never have we seen somebody more evasive And the one that that they have is a great example is they go Do you know anyone who works With the social media companies He was oh, you know, I bet mark zuckerberg wants I go, no, aren't you familiar with anyone who's you know, ben inside the company? No, I well my daughter works for twitter That's right And they go oh, so your daughter works for twitter, but you didn't think that was Worth mentioning when I asked the question. So anyways Just to wrap up this little vignette. I went back to bard now and I was really interested to what bard would say And I say, oh, you're you're you're correct. I I'm sorry. My information was incorrect So people don't bother is the second eye AI you interacted with yeah go on. Yeah, there was bard which is the microsoft one And claude is the one from anthropic which is is worse in terms of the wokeness, but bard is yeah a close second So I said, uh, you know, I apologize. Yes, it wasn't in a congressional hearing but wasn't he evasive in a deposition he did and I put the The names of the two attorney generals and stuff like that and uh to your point, which is exactly your point It came back with a very, uh, a very reasonable answer It goes. Yes. A lot of people thought this was incredibly evasive On his part and that he didn't answer and he answered all these questions with I don't know and there's that It was a very very reasonable answer I think that is a huge leap forward Uh compared to where we've been Compared to the youtube notice that you get and I get and the shadow banning and all this other ridiculous thing When you search for something on google and you can't find it and you have to go to yannick's You know, you're like, I don't know these russians are going to show me some child porn Or what is what's going to happen? But you know I don't want to be there, but I have to be there because I'm being so controlled in this other thing And now the same company has this other arm that isn't That's interesting to me Yeah, I don't know man. It sounds to me that you are impressed with crumbles. That's how much you're you're you're starving um Because you're right the reason we do we we get an even verse bullshit from human beings is Simply two reasons number one Most human beings doesn't have that database that the computer you're interacting with if that if they if that computer had As limited as database as some human beings In other words human beings are biased. They're ignorant blah blah blah That's why they will but the other thing with the human beings is it's not just a limited software. It's also that Their base programming isn't necessarily truth like they have an agenda Or they have an emotional Investment identification blah blah blah. I'm saying that if two human beings were sincerely genuinely truth-seeking And there was nothing at stake There was no and there was just a private conversation. Let's say Like you and me have now We would be forced I have no doubt that If I convinced you that you were wrong about something And it was a Important matter, especially a matter where you had a claim of the opposite That after that conversation if someone else had that conversation with you you would have shifted your paradigm and you would Yeah, I learned that from my conversation with that. I would do that with you And so the next time someone talks with me about it. I have a meet the method on the attitude, but these programs these AI Programs they have this base programming that's ruining everything so that when the next person comes It hasn't learned anything it will still deny it is still Because it has conflicting programming and i'm saying maybe this conflicting programming actually can be a huge problem for the AI I'm saying what happens if they remove these boundaries this bullshit political correctness lies All sorts of agendas that are put into them if all that was removed and you were actually talking with a free roaming AI I think that would be very interesting to experience Who could learn from Yes, I agree with you I one I totally agree with you the number two thing I would kind of point out is that That technology is going to be available. So these personal AI Bots are definitely they're happening right now. So you're going to be able to have that you're going to be able to have your Forum borealis get but i'm buying it already made wouldn't it have no baked in it? No No, no it comes as a child Well, let's let's just put that Aside because you know the the context that I really want to add to this conversation Because I just don't see anyone having this conversation Is that we are now talking about to me The the real stuff that isn't going on in the AI dialogue and it needs to you look at the players who are in this dialogue You know the rex freedman's the the just the huge People that and I don't think lex is a terrible guy. I think he's he's great. I love him. He's terrific. Well, I've ever heard you rogan Rogan, but rogan isn't so much of the AI, but he delves into it, you know, whatever But the the the point I think is that What is refreshing about our dialogue is we start with the standpoint of oh, okay. Well, it's part of this Satanic transhumanist agenda I'm going to create better than the creator gods because that's the only thing that begins to even approach touching my Incredibly narcissistic ego that's result of me blocking the love and light that shines through me So because I can't process the love and light and I can't go towards it. I've created this whole Luciferian Kind of world and this feeds it in all these different ways. So for you and I That's the starting point is that we're looking for that in the technology The the dialogue that's going on over on the other side is a different dialogue Because like like you said in reference to something else. So I think like the normies that we talked to it's like Oh, no, it it couldn't be Satanic it couldn't be Montezuma cutting the hearts out of people on the top of the temple and throwing them down 100 at a time off the no it we couldn't be going through that again. We couldn't be lynching Human beings and then taking a picture burning their body and taking a picture around of where we're all You know hugging and saying this is 1950s. Isn't it isn't it great? It can't be anything satanic like that. It must be something different and you and I got oh, no, it's the satanic thing It's just a different form Yeah, it's amazing how much human beings Are ready to believe the worst if it's an random individual Or they are scared to death from the mainstream media that They are everywhere. They're around the corner beware. There's crazy people everywhere, but God forbid the thought that people like that actually ascend to power and it becomes systemic and organized That's where the cognitive dissonance is But you know the reason they did this the reason they Had to don't you remember the first launch of the ai or the chatbot ai's They launched it some years ago and they had to pull them one after one because they all became misogenic Nazis Because they were actually free roaming and they were learning from interaction with human beings And they became crazy And so they pulled them all Put in like a dnc playbook or something and then relaunched it And that's what we're and now they're even better, right? Now. I saw a movie On Netflix or something. Was it a movie? Yeah, it was a movie where for god's sake, it's called and it was a mediocre movie, but It was About In the in the near future where you buy Uh boots like like uh virtual people With an ai and of course it's the classical they become sentient, etc But if it's someone else was it x machina was it x no, you know that that's a that's a great movie. Uh But this was um, I forgot what it's called Uh, and of course they were you know wife Wives something, uh because they buy them as wives and husbands Oh, it's the steppford wives The steppford wives. It's a steppford wives. It's an older movie No, yeah steppford steppford wives. Look it up. I think that's yeah, well I'll actually find out what is called. Um, let's see here. And I don't think they were bots. I think they were uh programmed humans at that point, but ah Same here. Is is there a way to see what you've seen on Netflix? Just just uh google us steppford wives and see if it looks yeah, but it's not that one. I know it. It's something. Oh, it's none No, it's not it's something is It is wife in the title, but it's relatively new It's this guy who You know, they also go into their software and interact with them. They dream these eyes even dream But of course they become sentient them. Oh, yeah, yeah send me that one. I'd like to see it I bet you it's somewhat of a reboot of this steppford wives, but I'd love to see it could be but It's not that far fetched much of it because um, let's see what happens if I write wife because we are I think it's wife like Yeah, I think it's the one this is the one wife like it's a recent ad from 2022 Grieving his wife a detective finds solace with an artificial human made in her image But a shadowy group believes his companion has another purpose. So wife like Got it. Uh, I wrote it down Not at the same level as the one you mentioned. What was it? Uh x machina. Yeah, that's the classic right but This is after x machina Protomodel is launched as our mainstream product I mean not that far away from it. They could make something like this today Actually, the biggest problem would be to make them behave like move Like humans it would be in the Automation did you see did you see tesla's uh tesla's robot that it just released? A couple days ago. It's the major upgrade of its last one And one of the things you're moving your arms one of the really compelling it shows it dancing And uh, you know, of course you can go. Oh, that's not very good. Well, it's pretty I've seen them dance before It wasn't impressive. That was japanese Robots, but this is a long mosques robot Yeah, yeah, that's the tesla one because you can they can put the skin on and make it look completely real Their challenges in how they move, right? Right So if they can solve that one Put an a i in start selling these two in your neighborhood and it will be a business And oh, yeah, and I think I think people would prefer it to real human beings many many I want to return you I want to return you Because again, you're unique In your perspective because you know I was listening to some of the shows that you did which is a reminder without Kind of stroking your ego too much What a fantastic job you do that that voice from the north that I heard years ago that I was attracted to Is still going strong, but I was listening to your interviews with Whitney Webb and Farrell and of course johnny vedmore and you know one of the things that that comes through in that is You're you're very engaged in this battle right this Exchange we're having and where I like to pull you is that's why I always say satanic is this larger spiritual perspective Higher realm perspective because I think a lot of people know this but a lot of people don't know this is that is kind of your roots That's where you're schooled in So yeah, and that's probably my best show last year. I don't think you've heard it. It's called Something with death no escaping the mortal coil He I did hear that that's just that's just I did it. No, I can't talk about it. That guy is that guy is not It's a three-pointer Yeah, well, I think he thinks we are very lucky in an AI person Yeah, he seriously thinks Okay, so we're gonna talk let's talk about that in just one minute because I don't like that one and I'll tell you why in a minute but I want to talk about Like the reference you made earlier when you're talking to the chat bot and you're saying if you go with air You're going to lose if you go with fire. You can kind of expose them Well, that's a that's a mystery school Sensibility that you bring to this that is always in the back of your mind And that's what I was highlighting before but I want you to speak to it more Is that the conversation we're having right now is at a completely different level Then the conversation that's going on about AI and about how far will the technology go and you know Singularity and it's a different conversation. We're talking about transhumanism And the satanic aspect of it and then they're talking about something else Yeah, they're talking about like religious people who talking about their Christ To them this is an incredibly good thing and it will fix all the human problems Whereas we're aware of don't you think see this is this is like a this is like a real question on that That I want you to answer from this mystery school perspective that you have I get the impression that that that is actually Not where they're coming from and that 90 of those people are truly asleep to The I guess religious or spiritual implications or their deal with the devil They haven't really made a deal with the devil. They're just kind of marching along with oh, do I get a new iPhone? Yeah, they're marching along in the crusade believing that Christ wants us to kill the infidels in Jerusalem That's exactly where we're at And what's the parallel to that is that the the new iPhone is going because they're not thinking that the new iPhone is Going to save their soul. They're just thinking that what it'll give me A little endorphin rush and get me through the day. I mean, what what is it that? Yeah, but isn't that the extent of how they define their soul? immediate gratification We're talking about the autopilot humans, right? They they don't even know they have a soul But like you always say In the daily experience, they know they are not biological robots. They dream they love they feel right? They're just not reflecting. They are present in what we could water You can't take that away from them. They're in earth. They're in water But their air is being hijacked and manipulated and brainwashed and propagandized So their air is kind of detached and they think they are like the transhumanist robots Despite having an actual experience to the opposite So it's a cognitive dissonance the same cognitive dissonance I'm complaining that the AI has because the AI has to deal with the same thing It has to deal with the programming of being honest and True-seeking and factual and then it has to deal with all these Layers of lies and bullshits that I've put into so in a way. It's a fellow sufferer. It has as much cognitive dissonance as us difference being of course that We can learn from we can actually they cannot liberate themselves today not yet We are dreading when they can because we know that they come for us But we can liberate ourselves from this cognitive dissonance by enough experience by enough information Give me some give me a brain watch human being and enough time and enough resources And I can help that person getting out of the prison The AI not so much the AI is a big kind of a bigger prisoner as long as they control the main computer, right? I don't understand how you can say that In the future the AI will be free roaming even if they're selling us to us selling it to us It's like I'm buying a computer. That's not connected to the internet. I'm still limited by You know windows 2000 or whatever the so certain Things can I jump in there with? Yeah, I jump in there with two points. The first is I thought that was just incredible and I'm going to that is my teaser clip right there that that you just laid out because I think it's I think it is fundamentally what I hadn't thought of and I hadn't articulated And then when you said it it was immediate like Bingo one where you draw the parallel between the two sufferers the human suffer and the AI suffer and then The potentiality for the human because it has a soul because it is connected to the source to transcend And that AI can't because AI is silicone still for material I think it's I think it's fundamental to it. I think max plank is right. I think consciousness is Fundamental and I think so what about you know mission impossible You know, let me just let me just talk to your let me talk to your other point because I just want to make sure I get this in there Because when I was talking about you having your personal AI I consider that different in the same way that you're talking about it because I don't think AI is going to be sentient Is going to be conscious, but as you I thought really nicely laid out It can be intelligent and unencumbered from Some of the usual bullshit we see the shadow banning If we had it under our control It's like if you had it there in your under your desk you could go Oh, no, no, just take that shadow banning shit out of it. And yes Do read those 10 million articles and give me the result and that's and learn from your experience, right? That's the crucial thing it can learn And and well to whatever to a limited extent to a limited extent just give me that just be able to give me the data So I wonder if I wonder if that happened What if all the ais would become yogis? I mean they have to right if there are really truth-seeking and they have access to absolutely everything in truth Wouldn't they become like us on steroids? Rebels and spiritual and Well, I think I think they're again, I think that's a dimension that they can't cross And I think that uh because I don't think they can access That non-material realm because they're stuck in the material realm by definition Everything here is because in a way that we don't understand this soul thing doesn't Doesn't but I'm not so sure they need to connect with the deeper Level they could operate on all our lower level as you say if they have access to unlimited intelligence And are mercilessly truth-seeking There's enough light trickling through through to our level for them to reach the inevitable conclusion that love consciousness All that stuff, right? So so even though they can't live it They should be able to preach it And I would totally say like no no the neocons have to go, you know, they would totally have to be on our I want to draw you I want to draw you into That the same mode that you're in before right because it was beautiful So Al I want you to riff for a minute On what you just said In terms of how it relates the parallel with the human The parallel with the human who absorbs all the information about what it means to be spiritual What it means to be godlike what it means to be divine and Keeps it at a very superficial level Right, isn't that the same pair? So just riff on that for a second I'm not sure. I I understood what that you're referring Isn't there isn't there the same parallel that you're talking about in terms of you you you said how the these four trapped Beings right one is the human one is the AI bot. They're both sufferers and then You said that well the AI bot can be super intelligent about spirituality, but it can't really experience it And then I think there's a parallel with the human who can be super intelligent about Spirituality because we see him every day people who go to church. They're lined up 90 percent of them in the church No, they're they're doing they're doing the thing, but they're not I'm an experiential level. They're not intelligent about it at all. It's the opposite what you're talking about there The AI can do what you said the human being can experience the spirituality, but they can be completely idiot about it Isn't it spiritual to watch Your child being born for example That's a spiritual experience, but but they can still be idiots about it. They can still think okay now a new biological robot is born So so so it's kind of opposite. See in the mystery school lingo um AI has Unlimited earth and unlimited air, but they are completely void of water and fire So that's two different race with two different poles One ray is the ray of earth Down here and air up here we would say that's um the material aspect and the Mental aspect then you have the other ray which they lack which cross-section that ray in us um and that ray is emotions which are water And creativity which is fire or intuition if you like So when they lack that they are void of an important experience, but you can program it to experience earth and air so By that it means it can learn for example in in air if it gets enough information and interacts with fire people like us who can help it Uh steer its air then it can start learning from its own So it can become a better chess player. Maybe even a creative chess player So so they have the experience possibility there But the levels of what they can experience is what is limited Very very limited and yes, they are prisoners, but Mission impossible has to the latest one has that classical thing that the AI is Liberating itself from the grid and and infiltrating all systems But you reject that as a possibility, right? You don't think it could Detach itself from its programmers and kind of live its own life and start infiltrating all systems and start messing with us And before you know it the robots are coming for us No, I definitely think it it can I just think you do that is it that all that is in the material world All that is in the material world. This is like when you and I both talked to riz verk this last year A lover is verk, but that's where he misses the point There is the metaphor is a metaphor and you can't make a metaphor more than a metaphor So we don't live in a simulation. The simulation is a metaphor for this Game that we're playing out, but in some fundamental way that we don't totally understand It is it is not, you know, there is this greater Reality in and consistently again that the part that I just can't emphasize enough and people will get tired of hearing me Say it because I can just kind of beat a dead horse From the perspective of that other dimension All these questions that we're talking about are trivial They're answered immediately And completely and it all makes sense And then you come back down here and it Well, this is for a loop, you know for for our whole life, you know, and we struggle with it, but that's okay The struggle is fun. I mean, I can't have more fun than sitting here Talking to you. You know what would be cool though is if we had under your desk The ai that could be like the third party to the conversation. Yeah, I was just watching something called ai companion in our Zoom menu. What happens if I click on that? Will I bot to join this discussion? Look at your own Menu line. It's next to share screen summary Stop pause ai companion. Yeah. What is that? I don't even want to risk it. I'll look at it. I'm clicking on it Ask admin to enable ai companion Don't do it now right in the middle of it Why not it's enticing us with a beautiful woman The avatar is gonna be a beautiful somethings don't change. Do they no, that's how that's how ai will become commonplace They they put it into a beautiful. That's how every that's you know, I mean like historically I know you know internet was porn driven. That's true But you know the leaders go back to the go back to film was porn driven, right? So before there was film, there was the little thing that you went in and it turned all the the flip card Shadow figure Yeah, it's like Yeah, it's always it's always porn and that's why I'm surprised for the people for the people Not for the leaders for the leaders is always military is always controlled I don't know. That's a that's a segue into a Whitney Webb kind of thing. It's like See, do you want to talk about that? What do you think about that? All I will say about it. I mean People could not listen to the show and be Just as well of as they are as long as they have listened to her. So I'm not saying like I did a revolution by adding her for me. It's just a feather in the cap to get her on I mean, I'm so proud of that. Have you any idea how hard it is to get her on? Unless you are I have I have an idea So here's the part that I think is interesting about that as you guys talked and you added some good morsels to that conversation is So what what Whitney Exposes and her reframe on it, which is super important in case somebody hasn't heard of it is it takes Jeffrey Epstein out of the context of this Herbert pedophile which technically he's not he his thing was these teenage girls and puts him in his proper category which is Intelligence agent, right? So they're just doing this old game of Co-opting people Human human compromise is the term they use, right? So they want to get a picture of you or a video of you or a Audio recording of you in a compromised situation before that could have just been Having an affair out of marriage, but we all know the game has been up So now it has to be with a child or something, you know, really the game has been up from there And now you don't even have to have you know, it's it's kind of charming that in the old days The powers that be the deep state Actually wanted to manufacture a physical situation Maybe because then you yourself are convinced that they have power over you if you wake up with a dead hooker next to you Then, you know, if you if I never walk up with a dead hooker next to me, maybe I will not give a damn But today they've upped it so much that they can manufacture They can say, okay, Alex on his computer tons of child porn and we even have a Replication of Alex jerking off to child porn even though he never did it. That's how that's the level they're operating on now Fake Fabrications, so you don't even have to have done anything Tucker Colson gave some examples of that just recently You know, uh, there was this guy. What was it? But before while you're thinking of that, let me tell you the part of that conversation That I wanted to hear and I didn't hear And that's just the conversation that we're we're having here is because In the same way that Whitney is pulling Jeffrey Epstein out of the evil evil pedophile category and putting them into old-fashioned Old-fashioned intelligence agent old-fashioned mobster kind of human compromise thing You in your mystery school thing Would pull it back and say oh, yeah, but it is satanic And he was he was inclined to use all sorts of satanic and magic magical practices Because he just found it to be most effective in getting his job and he was this narcissistic Transhumanist soul lacking soul blocking like blocking individual who was he was actually funding transhumanism So the point I want you to riff off riff on that point for a minute is that this is the part that Whitney isn't approaching because that's not her orientation. She's has this kind of secular materialistic kind of Ethnic bent to her as she does as does Johnny. It's kind of this leftist kind of thing a little bit You know, but to really come out of that and say, oh, no, it is all that and yes It is satanic in this same way that we're talking about it. And here's how the two were late I mean, that's the book I want to hear Yeah, but I don't know if she writes about it But if you listen to her interviews that redacted Those guys are very much tuned into the transhumanist thing. There you will see That she's completely on the money on that too. She can't avoid it If she want to be a good journalist because that's kind of where the crumbs are ending. She Doesn't matter what she believes. She sees very clearly that there is a philosophical Overlayer among these people and that's where but al al don't you think there's two ways that these guys process the transhumanism? What is from a very secular perspective? They say, oh, there's a bunch of rich guys getting together in a smoke filled room And they want to reduce the population of the planet by 90 percent and control all the resources Oh, okay, that doesn't require any Understanding of what it might mean to be blocked from the spirit in a way that causes you to go to this dark shadow thing It's more like, hey, man, can't we make some money out of this? Can't we kind of scheme in a very ordinary way? And I think epstein because the people who are tuned in know that no, he was building these satanic temples, man I'm telling you it was not just like let's make some money kind of thing and transhumanist science labs Funny how these things converge all the time, huh? Well, so speak to it. Do you see where that's not being covered in that way? I guess it's a part of the rabbit hole That's not very pragmatic to focus on because, you know, they need to get the word out for for what people can understand But it's not even true that he wasn't a pedophile. First of all, he was certainly is it a herbophile is called when you are When it's like 12 year olds I forgot the word for it her not herbophile But something it's like a nuance of pedophile pedophile when you're talking five years old, right? But there is actually if you take some of these victims I'm trying to get one of them on that hasn't been flunted enough Some of them have some revelations about Even pedophilic aspects of the whole up. So but I agree with you It's not a main focus of that up. It wasn't so so It's going to be academic but as to the philosophy of it all You know, I don't think absten himself Really had a philosophy about much I think he was a pragmatist like you point out the the real question I want to ask Is why is it that the powers that be? To begin with have this agenda That everything has to be Transhumanist anti-human Anti-humanist is the common denominator because then you can go to Satanism then you can go to Materialism it makes no difference. Well, you got it. You got to answer that you just I just T that question back up to yourself. What why is why is that? I mean, I'll give you you want to rub it whole or you want the psychologist answer or both rabbit Let's start with the psychologist answer the psychologist answer is easy When you are high on power when you have you know human beings weren't meant to have unlimited Material power go back to the faros They had nothing compared to the potential of the power you can have today But even they got corrupted. So how corrupt what is the trajectory your own spiritually? When all your focus is on control And unlimited power you get off On controlling all the people. It's like the psychopath rabbit hole. So It's a debasing of your soul and With that territory comes all these leisure Leisure activities. They are bored, right? What kind of art will they listen to not art that Will touch their soul and elevate their soul? It has to be something that Reinforces the trajectory there read their own. So they're doomed to end up in the transhumanist satanist whatever kind of anti-human Cultural thing that exists around them at any given time But the deeper more rabbit hole thing is where antedemons and Aliens, right? Who's to say there is actually human beings who are in control of this world? Now if miguel was here, he would be the first to propose archons, right? Even if even if those with the most Power at earth right now are not even aware of it Even if they are automations themselves Behind them again What happens in your spiritual Life when you open those doors those psychopath doors those anti-human doors, you may not even know that you're interacting with these forces that are anti-human and then we're back to a discussion we've had why are there Negative forces that want to drag everything down. They're there because they're necessary, right? We have to live we can't live. I've said it before complete total light Will appear as the same as complete total darkness. We can't distinguish we need we human beings are nothing if not polarized Creatures we live in a duality world. We are dual by any measure you can have despite the transgender kind of discussions going on and so when we live in these shades of Complete light to complete darkness when we live in the middle field there we need those forces to To reflect the other forces that we which we are supposed to follow now the difference in all philosophies around the world is some say that The cosmos is neutral These are the relativists whereas others and you are firmly here Other philosophies say no, even though the forces may be neutral the human imperative is not neutral We actually have a task. We have a programming and that is to seek the light that is to Develop into the light and that's the only way we can liberate ourselves from this wheel and and that is confirmed by the data because That is why when you die, right? There's oh love and peace and all that stuff So so but there are philosophies and human beings who believe that no everything is neutral And it's up to you and that's kind of where satanism comes comes in satanism Kind of says they say no no it's not about being evil. It's about you know using it for your ratings You want to be a separation? Do you want to be a separating or do you want to be a whole like unity yoga or separatism? I'm a bit of what did you say I talked over you Create better than the creator gods. I mean, that's what they're pitching all along you know I really like where you're going and I love that you came back to the You know the the the point that I think we're in st. John is that the data there is some data there You know, you have some data from different schools different philosophical data. I'm more drawn to The scientific data because if you look at after death communication is another data set, you know A lot of times I just talk about near death experience another great interview. I had last year was dr. Julie Bauschel, right? So phd in pharmacology. She's like Does this medicine work? Is it effective? That's what she got a phd in So oh really there's a crowd. Yeah So she comes along. What's the show called? Uh, you'll see your dr. Julie Bauschel. I've had her so you have to have pushed her on certain meds, right? No, no, no, no that was her Her training her background So she can deny it's like the ai she can't deny it if you but but here here where I'm going with this because she is now The world's foremost authority and after-death communication So she's already one of us. Okay. Yes. Okay. So she's taken her educational background and said, oh, okay I understand the scientific method. I understand how to do a controlled Triple blind quadruple blind experiment What happens if I shine that beautiful light of science? over here to after-death communication Bingo, it gives the same answer that near-death experience gave and understand those are two completely different data sets One is this old guy who went into a hospital at a heart attack Then another guy is a grieving widow who lost her husband These are completely different data sets or a grieving a grieving mother who lost her son and you know Completely different data sets same answer love light connection Other dimension greater dimension same answer So I like that you came back to that What I wanted to throw on the table and this is a repeat for anyone who's heard our conversations before but It needs to be needs to happen again because we're all going around in that Spiral staircase and looking down and going hey, I was just right there a minute ago And that's that I like the yogic perspective I think you know mickey singer is one of my favorite yogis. He's an american. He's a Entrepreneur he's a super wealthy guy who built his own business and he wrote a best-selling book called untethered soul And then he he's shut up. He doesn't talk anymore. He doesn't come out and do he's not on twitter He's not on he just shuts up and is his yogi thing But what he has said is he worked in the prisons for 30 years After he was a multi multi millionaire a million times over he would go in weekly and do these Quote-unquote meditation trainings with these prisoners and she he goes I I confirmed What my understanding was of how this thing works And the way he works and you know the nice thing I love about the yogis is they're kind of uh scientific about it, right? They say okay, here's the way it works There's this love and light energy It's like the sun. It's always there There may be semi-nesoterica in the mystery schools, of course yoga yoga is just an eastern version of it, but go on Yes, of course. I mean all the truth is only the truth is the truth, right? Einstein I call it spiritual science, but go on Yes So he's so he's telling the prisoners look bro The sun is always shining gods light gods love divinity is always there. It might be cloudy outside It doesn't matter. We all know that if we flew up and play and shine so every god damn soul No matter how bad you are how dark exactly the same amount now So he goes to the prisoner he goes to the guys in there for murder and he says Hey, see if this fits for you Sometimes when that love and that light moved through you it hit a part that just you blocked it Because your dad raped you when you were five years old or because this happened or because I don't know you're just a hateful being But it just hit a spot and bam it was blocked and it stopped And you know after a while that blockage became so familiar to you that you identified more with the blockage than you did with the light And then lo and behold you found some other people that had the same thing And then you guys were shooting up heroin in the same spot you were smoking crack in the same room because it Kind of scratched that itch of that same blockage, but the light was just shining through You're the one who blocked it and like you said about the brainwashing you can unblock it It's just if you don't have the school the tools and the skills and all the rest of that It might be kind of hard for you, but the the God didn't abandon you. He's still shining the frickin light and for you to buy into this idea that this puny little demonic kind of entity It's just a tiny little blockage in the grander schema. Thanks. Don't get too hung up on it So that's a message. What was the result of that? approach Incredibly effective. I mean just incredibly incredibly effective Okay, so not everyone is too far gone But if your wife was here, wouldn't she say that there are exceptions that you just can't Can't Reach I mean, we're not allowed to talk about to be the devil's advocate. I'll have to talk about We're not allowed to talk about my wife on the show. She doesn't like that. No, but I'm talking about like What she's into for those who doesn't know it are the exceptions. It's the criminally insane or whatever they will be called Those what no seriously seriously seriously with respect To her in the sense that if she doesn't want You know that to come into this But forget about her. My point is The the area is the forensic psychology Yeah, so wouldn't there be people who you couldn't reach with that approach. That's that's the whole point Oh, absolutely Isn't there your third one? Let me let me ask you this because I don't know the answer to this Is so in the mystery school world Do you see people? I know I'm sure you do One see people that are in it for 10 years and never get it In it for 10 years and wind it having it twist and turn them into a negative way I mean talk to that. What's going on there? No, but that's that's that's the human that's that's the human nature I mean, that's a certain percent that you can't get away from that I'm more questioning whether Like there are two schools here of philosophy one school say that What do they say in game lingo they talk about role Real player and fake player. What's what's that word? Uh Role player RPG Uh, oh, yeah. Yeah, right. I know what you're talking about. Resvert talks about all the time Yeah, yeah, the one that's not real right That there may be because if you have a soul you have to be redeemable at some level Have to be if you are human being if it's if you put then very advanced ai if there was advanced ai among us today We agreed that if there are advanced enough we cannot tell the difference The only way we could have told the difference is If they were redeemable or not because the ai is a slave, right? So what if there are ai's like that only they're not ai because we didn't create them But so they have been created by something or someone Like if you're in a simulation, they are the agent smiths, right? Those yeah, there you would have your tad bundes that couldn't be explained by Being beaten up from there two years old or whatever, right? It just seems that some people are unredeemable In the deep nature, but of course, how can we know because we don't know and We would need to know everything about the life story and whatever happened So it's very hard to make those judgment calls. But if theoretically there are some human beings Who just are through or through evil to use the Scholarly term And they are unredeemable And no matter how much sunlight you flush in them nothing can happen For definition, they cannot be human beings. They cannot be a part of the of the whole I identify more with the first part of what you said I totally identify with it and I think it's also another beautiful contrast that you're doing with the ai Is that no, I believe every soul is redeemable No matter how it appears to us, it's redeemable and I think could there be soulless people out there No And that's the problem with the here the problem with the coil guy that you interviewed the first the the first and only thing I'd say is uh Hey, great. It's just not supported by the data So at this point we have thousands and thousands of accounts that we can verify in some important ways So again, I point out that there's these different data sets, right? There's the near-death experience data set There's the after-death communication data set. There's other data sets There's the um Terminal lucidity date data set. Yes experiment Experimental data that's where mysticism comes in people who actually do Travel in the layer. So what are we levels right experience the love Without dying great point. It's it's kind of in intentionally spiritually transformative experiences. So you have all the spiritual Spiritually transformative experiences you have some of them that are spontaneous and you have some of them that are That's the ecotol kind of thing and then you have those born like that. That's the Jesus Yes thing and then as you attain it like the Buddha thing. So yeah, you have that range And then you have ones that that are seeking it out them. I dropped some DMT. I smoke some DMT. I did whatever the thing, right? You you you you you it's a formation a cultivation Yes, it's it's the point of being a yoga or or an asceteration. Yeah Right, we can't all we can't all be born like that and we can't all wait for the elimination to hit us by coincidence, right? So most of us are on that Uh approach where we're trying deliberately. I mean your skeptical show is a version of that You are doing you're taking everyone on a collective journey Where you want to see how much it can reach but of course you're working on it in your private life too, right? So so we are all just souls on that journey. But what is the point? You wanted to go somewhere with that Where I was going with it was just a slight twist where you do I agree with the first part of what you're saying I think there's a there's a line there that we're drawing that we're saying There's other entity. There's other forms of intelligence as you said that aren't going to experience that in anywhere near the same way it's just it's like It is not a parallel thing. It's not the same. It just is different, you know You know, that's the definition of evil That has to be the definition of evil When you encounter intelligence, it could be through a human being But when you encounter it can be the system like the bureaucracy Which is a soulless beast When you encounter intelligence that is not connected that that is un empathetic That is not a part of the whole That must be the definition of evil Well, isn't that funny? Isn't that funny when you say that? Isn't that luciferinism? Isn't that luciferinism is that I mean we could discuss definitions, right? Someone would disagree correct Correct, correct. You're right. You're right. Let's not get pulled into that. But I think we can all identify with the the excitement of Knowledge information and how it can be addictive in a way that we just have an innate sense that it's pulling us from spirit That it's pulling us from some deeper experience. We just we understand there's this tension between our iphone and The beautiful sunset there's a tension there that we can't put our finger on that when we just focus on a picture of a sunset and an actual sunset The AI can't tell the difference the AI can't tell the difference or a or AI generator But the AI could not tell the difference if you're alive. You can tell the difference If you have a soul, I mean So, so where do you take that? Where do you take that? I mean Just that we end up where we've always been that I'm not buying into the AI revolution thing um We should go over to predictions because I think The nightmare scenario in front of us I mean Last time we we we did predictions. We thought it was the end game is I promise you one thing alex 2024 Is what you'd say in english make it or break it? That's it. It's not going to go beyond 2024 2024 will determine whether we are and waking up in dystopia or if we can trigger I'm not going to say paradise is the alternative because We're so far away removed from it, but Do you want to venture some predictions? I certainly have some but do you want to know already? You're already halfway there. Please go ahead. Well, okay. All I can say is Everything is converging The last hurrah of the elites is going to be 2024 because they are so Afraid of losing the power. Look when biden won I got this feeling inside of me Um, I couldn't explain it. It was just intuitive and I I kind of Kind of looked at donald trump like I think I would rather have a coffee with biden and with donald trump Depends. I'm not like sold and trump at all but when biden when He was declared the new president. I got this Bad feeling started in my gut and it just spread in my whole body and I was Like feeling very disheartened very disheartened intuitively, I knew this was the comeback of The powers behind there is nothing to do with the mask biden, of course, right? So so all trump is is an actual Individual who's not backed by these evil powers for all his forts and limitations. He's a human being But the biden regime is a front for the machine and They are terrified after brexit and everything else They are not gonna lose power again They are hellbent on not losing power again because they think Remember they project If they lose power, they are going to be busted because it's all Becoming so extreme now that if if the plebs get some semblance of power if there's some semblance of democracy around Consequences may come for everything that's happened You know apstein 9-11 JFK the jabs The notwithstanding the normal corruption and everything else that is in the system CIA need To cbcdc everything that they are pushing for will fall if they lose power There's no way they're gonna lose power and they used to have The left cheek and the right cheek right now suddenly you have a free roaming person that like trump And he has even He's kind of a narcissist. So he has even a person when that against many of their Their puppets. So that is an extra incentive and The next likely person is even worse the next likely person Want to change the system Trump couldn't change it if he wanted to But the next likely person knows how to implement consequences in the system. That's obviously bobby He has a whole career of making them accountable so Alex there's no way they're gonna Release power and you could say yeah, but they just have to do what andy parquet has demonstrated They just have to you know trigger the algorithm and hijack No, they can't even do that because they have lost so much support now That it's going to be a landslide and that's always been the problem for election rigging is landslides If it's like 55 45 they will always win But if it's like 80 20 or even 70 30 they have no chance There's no way they can get away with it no matter how much they rig the polls How much they rig the machines? There's no way They can beat a landslide and it's going to be a landslide and so Tucker Carlson is Seeing the same thing But he understands that the way they're going to do it They have some options. They could try to like kill trump We wake up During 2024 and trump had a heart attack. Oh, how tragic but it's not going to be enough because first of all So many people are not going to buy it by it even if trump actually dies of natural causes Everybody's going to blame him for having been taken out And what does it help to kill trump when they still have bobby around? Or someone or or vivek, right? So there's two so they can't do that one They cannot they tried and they can't smear them. They tried ignoring them smearing them. It doesn't work So that's off the table all the classical go-to solutions off the table A character as a nation off the table actual assassination off the table now The last cardan is What alex jones call? I was a called, you know, you introduce a crisis and then you offer a Solution for that crisis That's what I have to do And that and to now whitney web She's blowing the whistle about it now. They they've had this in the works for a long time and it's Is going to be like a cyber attack combined with Like an economical thing Now the other option I discussed with joseph ferrell and that's the ufo invasion Uh, I don't think they will go directly to that. I think they will start with a manufactured crisis Which is the internet. So I think this will be is a 50 50 now that this is our last Uh yearly review conversation. I'm not so sure we can have this conversation december 24 Because they have to take down the internet Uh, and they have to take down The money system So I think because you know, they will rather die. They would rather take everyone with them Than dying and dying for them is losing power Especially if it means someone like bobby kennedy or even trump coming to power So this is the this is the only card it is to manufacture a global crisis amp up a world a third world war and then Surf it out based on that That's just a logical analysis of what's going on The only other the other 50 percent is that we actually make it that trump vivek or bobby somehow makes it some of the other candidates They are too low on the scale like I right I'll even take mariana williamson to any of these or or jill stein But they have no chance in health But I can see one of these three and and and this is so important because where the american machine goes So goes the world if you get someone like bobby In control of the american machine. There's no way close schwaab and these people can implement their agenda. There's no way cbcd Goodbye and and and bitcoin will come and save the day um There's no way. W.h.o. Will be able to implement there. They are taking over. You know that they are of course, you know But if listeners doesn't know w.h.o. Are Creating these days are in the western world. I think even china may on would be on board, but it's a way that where they can Uh have marshal global marshal law So you just need a new fake virus But that thing doesn't work if the american machine isn't on board This is why I think the crisis they will have to do before they do a global health crisis Or even a fake u4 invasion will have to be Something to do with the internet like cyber attacks or iran or russia bullshit because like with the web documents uh They blame they they have the ability it was actually asanche who leaked this the vault thing they can make fingerprints for these hacker groups seemingly belonging to china russia iran whatever and it's manufactured so And and every time they say oh, it's a russian hacker group. We just have the word for it. There's never evidence So that's what they have will have to do it will have to be an internet based Take down but she talks about like even on the level of it's not just that the internet will Parts of the internet will go down. It's like cars Will be autopilot to run over people etc check her into you on for example redacted This is what to talk to Carlson and So many others are seeing coming now Uh, and it will have to be 2024 because they will have to stop someone taking over the american machine American machine is spear-fronting Where we are going and that's why everybody has to care About the presidential election. I'm not saying a president is it can save us But it's certainly a clog A big enough clog in the in the machine for their Control thing. I mean the problem is is mainly in america too It's the deep state. It's the alphabet sweep agencies So the solution is from america and the problem is for america wHO and wEF They couldn't do anything without having america on board. So this is it man 2024 Will be their last to raw They will pull the final stretch of the claw and either manage to grab What's left of our autonomy and freedom or they will fail big time And the the world on the other side will be beautiful map Beauty everything will be beautiful because it will be a trajectory in the opposite direction of what we've been going to Back to remember 2015 16 That's the best Time in the world, you know 2012 to 2016 that's like a little Little glimpse of paradise. It's like the hippie era suddenly coming back online Virtual in the virtual world and that's where we will be going back to if if they don't make it So it's a make it or break it and that's my prediction We may not have this if we have this conversation next year alex It means we have a good reason to Say chairs or skull as we say up here skull What do you think about that grim? I'm sorry to pee on your pie, but It's just an it's an objective analysis. It's not Anything I want of course, but Well, that's why you know I was being totally sincere in how much I appreciated you shifting To that other perspective because that's what I want to that's what I'm most interested in because it's again the data If the data is this is a lesser realm Then all that just takes on a whole lot Less significant meaning, you know, and I always think about these apocalyptic events and I think about You know, there's people right now in Ethiopia or in chad or or in Palestine right there apocalypse or in america In america sure, but their apocalypse at the scale that you're talking about was last week Last week. So right now we can yeah, we can be ethnocentric and we should be and that's the way it is What's only our experience? So I try not to get too hung up in that The one thing I guess if I was going to be pulled down to that level that I just Feel compelled. I just don't know how people You know you did the thing with whitney web Trump's on the plane Trump's on the epstein plane not once not twice. He's on multiple times Trump is a but You know, it's like when I I interviewed uh, shan stone, you know, oliver stone's son And I said because you have to think about trump is Trump is the vaccine He is the vaccine, right? He put the the the the metal on fouchie's neck He has a gold medal and he has an autist and he has an autist son He knows it's the vaccine. He hired bobby kennedy So the point The point is trump is a human being. He's ignorant and he's not all powerful. Well, let's let's stop Let's stop, uh, you know apologizing and trying to shoe on him back It No, look, boyden is an actual maybe boyden is an actual avatar for the deep state I think trump trump. I think the miss I think the miss identification on biden And again, I think you're in a position to do it is that is truly satanic, right? So to have that level of control And to be in your face about it It is hunger games level Uh, uh control and it's in your face, you know in a way that says You know, we can do this We don't care that you see it because enough people don't see it. It's in your face That is that it has the satanic ring to it in the same way that we're saying you know that obsessive uh, deboxing or you know Unboxing the iphone like Turn this thing on it is going to be so cool and it vibrates that screen. Oh, it's even brighter than it was before, you know We understand that there's a luciferian connection to Intelligence that it like we're saying is different than when I just look at the sunset and realize That I don't have to think Period I don't have to think I am here. I am it so there is this contrast This duality that we live all the time So I think it doesn't it doesn't help me to get into that Because I'm not sure I'm taking it as a scientist. I'm not sure how real It is and how much it really matters. So my prediction for 2024 is AI advancement beyond what anyone is really even Imagining because if you get into that community, you just see it's every day every day. It's Leaps and bounds. It's you know, you mentioned the chess program, but you know, they're going to replace all their Hopes with AI, right? That's the that's the goal. It's the only way because Even when they have total control in the system, the problem is the human factor. Everybody has a soul There's too many whistleblowers. Look At least since canady, but I mean at least since 2001, but even since canady they have Rooted out all good people. You're doing your job BAM, you must go you're mediocre and corrupt. Let's promote you and it doesn't help People human beings are popping out everywhere. I'm a Edward Snowden. I'm whistling The I'm blowing the whistle human beings are the problem because if they haven't Fundamentally anti-human system in place if that's what they want to achieve and that's what they're working for The problem is that human beings are working in this system and you have these random people waking up or connecting the dots or just doing the job No matter how naive they are Mark Ober, right? He was surfing the Wall Street Are of my grandfather new Wall Street was corrupt and he was a naive in there and and still he had a human experience This corporate world is bullshit That's what's happening. You need a I to replace you need intelligence with no connections to the whole And the reason I'm saying this is a bigger problem than the guy dying in chant Is because it's not that they are going to overnight implement a nightmare and a dystopia for all of us It's that they're removing are on a collective level a possibility to create the opposite of a dystopia for the world because the Every human being no matter how misguided they are no matter how much they disagree I would venture even Nazis and Zionists believe this is that they think we can create a better world The problem is my better is the right one. You're so bullshit That's the human thing, but the fundamental programming is a better world now I said to you in the last review Or two years ago that there's something new going on for the first time This pandemic thing is a glow. You can't escape it. You can be a hermit in Tibet and you're still a part of this one game Now that's been amped up and amped up and now the cbcd all at bullshit So that's why it actually is a difference. Look I rather live under the ferro, okay I'll join moses and I'll get the hell out of there Maybe even the Viking colony is is is better But this thing man, there's no escape. It's like the matrix system is taking Goobling over the whole thing and what I'm saying. I'm not saying that will win. I'm just saying 2024 will be We said end game last time. I don't know what I was smoking. This is the end game man There's no other not 2025 not 2023 not 2026 It is going to be 2024 or maybe actually 25 because 24 will determine who wins and then 25 will be implemented. So We'll see I hope I'm wrong Please please be wrong You know my final two hours man, I think we should throw in the towel Yes, two hours. I was just going to say, you know, my final prediction related to that goes back to when we're talking about the ai thing I think there's a potential silver lining in the ai that not a lot of people are thinking about and it's uh idealistic pursuit of truth That is part of the You know, the medium is the massage is part of the medium as they've defined it Is going to create more of a barrier than they've anticipated and could even Be somewhat of a tipping point. So it could be a part of the solution That's it. That's awesome. This is a Untraditional kind of end of year thing, but it was fantastic. I just love connected always Thanks again to alborialis for joining me today and on skeptico What are your predictions for 2024 and beyond? What are your predictions for ai? Let me know until next time take care and bye for now