 just begins to melt slightly before your eyes. Well, see, whatever, because if I get it, especially if I get a thumbnail done like a week ahead of time and I set everything with all the description titles and everything. So all I have to do is hit go live once we're in a call. I'm like, nah, something's going to happen. Lightning or like, well, I mean, that happened to me yesterday. I just wanted to play call of duty and stream and then my internet just sporadically started cutting out. And then I later found out there was a outage in my area that day. So that was actually having a walk the other night. And it was it was one of the very hot nights. And there was there was three hits of lightning with no sound very near. And it was like creepy as hell, three hits of lightning and no sound. Yeah, I couldn't. There was nothing to listen to. There was no like it was just it was just the flash. And there was only one of them that I saw that the actual lightning for it. I was just like, geez, watch out for the tripods, man. Well, the funny thing was that once I didn't hear lightning for ages then, but then I heard this huge like, you know, like the sound of of someone moving a cupboard, but that but cranked up to like a galactic level just all around me coming from like the sky. And I was just like, God's move into cupboard. That actually sounds pretty terrifying. Well, that's right. Yeah, I was thinking of myself like that. You could put this in meteor in some way. It'd be creepy just because it's such a bizarre sound to have on that scale. You have it be a horror movie called The Lightning Man. He's a man who travels by lightning or something. OK, but how does the cupboard fit into this? I need like, well, OK, hit. OK, so here's the pitch. So a man was moving his cupboard and then it fell over and crushed him. And now he is lightning man and it's kind of weird. So it doesn't work properly. It makes about as much sense as origin of power that fucking Captain Marvel has. Oh, yeah. Better origin story than Captain Marvel hit. Well, you know, I did stuff. I would argue that it is again. Yeah, I shot an engine and now I have space. She was covered in like acidic goo to enter here rather being struck by lightning while falling under a cupboard or something. I don't know. I feel like that's what makes sense. There you go. Yeah. And then he's like just he lives in the cloud struck by lightning while under a cupboard, thus lives in the clouds. It's like, don't question it. I like the idea that I write just like, yeah, but if you give them that the the work itself is very deep, the character work, everything about it. It's just so good. That bit. Yeah, it's a bit weird. Remember, if you have if you have a couple of really cool shots and really good special effects and that's all it takes. Oh, man. Yeah, to be like a work of art now, describing every mini series that exists in the past like two, three years. I just, yeah, have we talked about that? I like I feel like we haven't because it's not even it feels like it's not even TV shows anymore because the funny one with devs that me and Rags is slowly getting through over the next few decades. I was like season one. So, you know, how many seasons are going to be? And Jay was like, oh, it's just the one. I was like, it's another mini series. I was like, there's so many mini series now. It's like one season one and done, which is not something I'm against, by the way. Yeah, it's just strange how much they've popped up compared to how TV shows and movies were like definitively separate. But many series seem to be like we want to do a movie, but we want to be longer, but we also don't want to do like fucking five years of stuff. So many series. Maybe that's kind of like the magic number. We're sort of figuring out. Well, it always depends on what kind of content you've got to give out, right? Like how much you got to say do. Like a mini series is probably approaching what a video game is as on its own, I guess. You know, like a video game isn't as long as like an entire TV show, but it's certainly longer than a film. Well, think about like Harry Potter. That could have been like eight seasons of TV, probably, right? You could just rejig it all. Yeah, you probably could stand to do. Yeah, eight seasons of that. Dare I say it may have benefited from that actually because the school year would feel a lot more natural over a season than it does over one movie, right? Well, here's an interesting thing. I mean, we know that they're making a Lord of the Rings show on Amazon, but none of us want that to the dread of everyone. But you think that that would work well as a mini series? Well, not a mini series, but, you know, three or four seasons. Well, even longer than that, really. So you talk about like the Peter Jackson ones now being converted into seasons instead of like, well, I guess the thing is like I'm very against making a new one because I think that it's basically like the greatest it could have been. Yeah. But I guess if you wanted to adapt the books, you could probably make it into like a few seasons of TV. I think so. It could work. I just don't we don't need to touch them. They're just so good. You know, they just they nailed it. Go do something else. As as red love media point now is just like remake stuff that's either okay or sucks. Do that because then we can get better. I'm reading chat now and I feel like Barton that episode of the Simpsons when he had the I didn't do it catchphrase and then kind of no Brian and everybody just like just say the line. So the issue is it's it's it's exploded since you were lost on eFab. So I know it has keep hearing about it. It's it's it's kind of hard to explain. It's just the way you say no. That's the beam. That's it. Can't help it. It's my accent. I don't think they want you to help it. I think they like it. Oh wait, I just got it. I just said it. This is what I mean. No, it's impossible to not say no. Yeah, someone just say the line. I say the yes man. Then you see me just like cocked down in the corner of my room just rocking back and forth. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They only like me for my nose. I like I told him do you remember your reaction to the finale of Batwoman? Yeah, I do. You say many a door. It was a bit of an overload. My brain almost couldn't handle it. I was shut off. So much Batwoman to come eFab chat. Be excited. Be well all of the things. I mean, it depends because I'm not sure how excited I am because like I'm kind of dreading season two legitimately. Oh, no, I meant how a coverage of it, which is, you know, fun. Yeah, that'd be fun. But season two is going to be painful. And they just lose their lead actress. Yes, they did. So they have to have is it the Batwoman role? Like they need a new Batwoman of all the rules to lose. Well, that sounds like a disaster. The Queen herself. Yeah, they're going to be rewriting it. So a new girl just arrives and becomes Batwoman. And I'm sure they'll do it in one episode and it's going to be the most jarring and funny thing ever. Batwoman is barely serialized. Like it feels like it doesn't take advantage of the fact that it's TV show at all. Like things happen so quickly and I've got so many episodes that they could do. But we could still point out that it plot. It was either about Mouse and Alice or it was about some random who walks into Gotham that week to be a bad guy, which they didn't even account for like other shows did. You remember Smallville did the whole like a bunch of people got different kind of powers from the media or thing. Yeah. And then freak of the week format. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Buffy was the hell mouth generates them flashed it. I remember because I saw the first few episodes of the CW flash what happens without it's whatever gave him his powers gave a bunch of other people other powers, right? Well, because these metahumans so would have been that there were a bunch of other metahumans. What's a metahumans? So in the DC continuity, metahumans is basically the easiest way to describe it is in Marvel. There's mutants and then there's human mutate and human mutate just describes anybody who has superpowers who isn't a mutant. That's basically what a metahuman is. It's just somebody who got powers. So like flash is a metahuman because he's a human being who's got these crazy powers. But like Wonder Woman and Superman aren't because they're like not human strictly. So that's basically what it is. But yeah, Batwoman was just like, I don't know. They just showed up these weird people. You just had Magpie just show up to to steal some things with her exploding. What was it? What she had? She had a she replaced Martha Wade's necklace with an explosive or series of explosives. Yeah, the explosives were specifically the ink. It was the ink that was explosive because remember she had the little plastic birds, but they were painted in the explosive right and she could throw them and they explode. Yeah, they would explode and annoy people. Then you had the executioner who's a guy who would would would herd people into puddles and then electrocute them and then electrocute them. That was that was something else. Who else? Who was the other monsters of the week for that fucking show? We had the judgment. We had the judge man. You don't have the executioner. Remember the executioner? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, we had the girl who nearly killed everybody on the train that got right makeup makeup. Oh, yeah, I was thinking of the makeup girl. So that's another girl. What was the one? Let's see. Nice to remember. She just it was in the episode. You just published the one who yeah, the makeup. That's what I meant by the makeup girl. She hates makeup or whatever, right? I wonder what Gotham was like before. There was some mass to vigilante with magic plot armor powers to just stop all these horrible people. Well, if you're so maybe I kind of lied there, actually, they do kind of try to address it. They're like the fact that she's around is attracting evil men's to the to Gotham's. They think Batman is back. Do you remember saying that? Yeah, that's how they tried to explain it. Dumb. That's like saying the more police there are, the more people are going to try to go out and commit crimes just to show them, you know. It's a very weird motivation. It's like the only one who makes sense with his hush because he was he hated Batman. So he wanted to find a personal. Yeah, Vendetta against that person. But if it was me, if I was a super criminal and I wanted to steal all of the Gotham jewels or whatever the fuck I wanted, I would wait for that. I would do it specifically at the period between Batman leaving and another Batman character arriving. I would do it in that. No, that's stupid. Of like three years. Yeah, clearly. I mean, where's the honor in that? Yeah, you don't have to be too easy. Jewels undefended. And the crows are so incompetent and terrible. I mean, it's just not a challenge really. What a wonderful show. Also, welcome to EFAP 92, everybody. That was that was the preamble, I guess. Talk about one. That woman. Well, welcome to brand new guest, John CJG. Is that what? Wait, do you want to go by that? Do you want to go by anything else? I don't know. I'm assuming it's John is cool. Just just John is fine. Sweet. Totally. Welcome. How do you do? Thank you very much. I'm doing great. I just I want to start by apologizing to you guys and your audience for being a no show the first time we tried to get this organized. I read the time zone wrong and it was my bad. I felt like trash when I felt the mistake I made. So very sorry. And I'm really happy to be here that you decided to have me on in spite of that. So the time zone thing is really confusing for all of us because not only do you have it so that all three of the people you're talking to right now live in different time zones, but they also change for summer. So it starts to get like right, which hours is everybody actually on which is funny because all my European friends is really easy because they're within, you know, one or two hours of every time. But, you know, rags and freeing you whenever I fucking get into a call them and like wait. So is it like midnight? What's going on? Yeah, it's like quarter past one for me in the afternoon. It feels like, yeah, because everybody's in totally it's like every corner of the planet. Yep. 9 p.m. for me. Nice. It's a nice time for me. It's nice and normal-ish. It won't be by the time of the end of this podcast. I'm pretty sure. But yeah, we bro. We we heard, I think through super chats, someone said that it was mentioned to you in some way shape or form and that you'd be on board. And we were like, oh my God, really? Because it's like, you're the guy I've always known as the maker of the machinima that funnily enough. I don't know. I don't know if this means anything to anybody in any way, but I watched all of Red vs. Blue and I thought it was okay, but I watched I'll be the chief and I loved it. Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, I don't mind Red vs. Blue either. I've actually I've worked with those guys. I went to their they had a studio in Texas. That was the guy I went over there for a few days. Yeah, that was one of them. Another one was a sketch about piracy. That I wrote they wrote the Gary Busy one. I wrote the one about piracy and I had a great time working with those guys. They're really funny. I didn't actually they wrote the Gary Busy sketch and I didn't get the joke at first. I was just like, is that it? They think I'm Gary Busy. Like I don't look anything like I'm like I just I didn't see the humor in it. But then in the process of making it and once I saw it, I'll cut together. I thought it was really funny. So, yeah, they're great improv guys. Like they make a lot of stuff on the fly. Yeah. So, yeah, this is pretty pretty free for them. But I mean, you're pretty much going to be the object of many, many questions to it. I'll try and catch what I can if if someone left in chat for different things. But I mean, it's fun for me because I get to be like, I guess feel like, hey, so how did it? You've probably been asked this before. You've probably answered it on different things. But how did I be in the chief guest started? Uh, so, um, I have been, I mean, I've been gaming my whole life pretty much. And, uh, I was way. I didn't really get into online gaming until like console broadband started being a thing. Actually, I my first experience with playing online on consoles was with Dreamcast via dial-up because Sega didn't have the foresight to launch the Dreamcast with a broadband connection. Um, and so Xbox came out and, uh, I started an Xbox live account and digital fear was what I came up with in a rush to, uh, to just get on and start playing. Well, you had to commit to that. Yeah, exactly. And that ends up being my handle for fucking ever. And I didn't, I didn't think that far ahead. You know, like I just thought whatever stupid name that'll be my alias, I guess. And that ended up sticking. I mean, it's in the link for like my channel, you know, my, my username on YouTube. So that's what people search for when they're looking for me. And, uh, so I played a return to Castle Wolfenstein Tides of War for Xbox. I was way into that. And then Halo, Halo combat evolved didn't have Xbox live, of course, but then Halo 2 came out and I was way into that. And then, um, a game called Crackdown came out for Xbox 360. I remember that. And that, yeah. And it came with access to the Halo 3 multiplayer beta. So once the beta became active, you'd be able to access it through the crackdown main menu. And, uh, so I played, so playing Halo 2, um, I became really immersed in like that culture, not, not just Halo 2, but, uh, Castle Wolfenstein before that where there was a lot of trash talk. Yeah. Like broadband, uh, console gaming was in its infancy at this point. And, and, uh, I really dug the whole trash talk thing. Like I didn't really participate in, in myself, but I, I really enjoyed listening to people lose their shit. And, uh, yeah, it's hilarious. Yeah. Some of the funny shit I've ever seen is just like people losing their shit online because it's, it's always fascinated me. Like when you, you bring people together, um, in an online space where everyone's anonymous, nobody's face to face. And, um, it's in a hyper competitive environment where people are constantly getting endorphin spikes in their brains or depletions in endorphins when they're like losing, right? And they get, they're prone to anger. And because they don't, there's no face to face repercussions for anything that people say. People are much more, there's no filter, right? So people just say the most obscene shit. And, uh, that part of online gaming is always really fascinated me. And, uh, I don't want that culture to go away. And I'm kind of worried about what, what's yeah, like nowadays it's kind of getting, it's almost like it's been neutered. A lot of systems are going to be put in place to prevent and destroy it, right? Which yes, most people consider that a plus or at least they'd be like, ah, see, but it's nice now. I feel like it's people who haven't been playing video games for a long time because I remember playing modern warfare to, you know, like damn 10 years ago, basically at this point. Well, I remember that's the classic one that everyone remembers is like modern warfare to the ultimate Xbox live trash talking. This is how you developed your thin skin or your thick skin was you played free for alls on fucking modern warfare to heard every word and invented words and it's a real fire. Yeah. And you went around and you get three messages like kill yourself and you're like, wait, yeah, wait, that doesn't sound like a good idea. I shouldn't do that. Oh, you guys remember getting voice messages for like people? You just be like, yeah, I do. 1v1 me on rust intervention only. Do you guys do you guys ever get the whole like you respond nicely and then they're like, okay, I want to team up. Very well. Yeah, I have I'll accept your. Right. So I was so I'm reading stuff now. Currently about like online the online gaming sphere being an inherently toxic place that needs to be moderated and policed and there's talks about using artificial intelligence systems to detect and censor speech and also or to get rid of voice chat entirely. I've heard that being proposed and I just I think that's a step in the wrong direction like if like what I said before the conditions of online gaming where everyone's anonymous and everyone's in a competitive environment people are going to say hateful stuff and I just think stepping in and trying to police what everybody is saying is not the way to go like I think if anyone's offended they can just mute their fucking you know just mute whoever it is you don't want to hear from and it's as easy as that but there's a bunch of people who are just like oh oh I'm so offended by what I'm hearing right now it's like turn off your console or mute people like what's the fucking problem not like I'm not naming dropping it for any other reason than it was it was here that may be aware that this is a problem but like when I need to talk easy was like there are people online who tell women to go and kill themselves in video games and we're being like what no they tell everyone to do that exactly man included I mean it's not a gender specific thing right it's like the most standard thing that you get sent to you go kill yourself and you know it's getting to the point now it's like did you just suggest that I commit suicide that is disgusting and it's like the person who said is probably like wait what okay I better to think of how pure this place was before I a woman came here but yeah dynamics certainly changed since those days like people are much more clean these days really hunt dude you you called that shit with tosses didn't you it's almost the exact same shit and it failed just as miserably but hey yeah it's really great about the Xbox live stuff and online gaming and kind of you know having your metal tested and having your your skin tempered and all that sort of thing is that it's it's kind of the ideal environment in which to have that happen because you can leave whenever you want there's no obligation to continue you can mute and block whoever you want no one can actually hurt you in any real way it's the safest most oddly clinical sort of way to to sort of get used to that sort of thing and I wouldn't want to take that away from young people because when you go in the real world and people you know talk shit to your face and yell at you and all that stuff there's always like the threat that they could actually do something and sometimes you can't just walk away and stuff like that so online gaming is really a great like a microcosm but it's a good way to show the real world yeah yeah I think I agree with that yeah people are pricks people can really be pricks in real life but it just be ready that's all yeah and you really get no filter when it comes to online gaming just the nature of it people are just gonna say whatever hateful shit is on their mind and you know hate is always going to be a part of human existence no matter what you try to do you wouldn't have humans without hate right that's kind of how it works exactly there's a there's it's like a it's a Dallas thing of like it's it's an essential half of existence that you're not going to be able to police out of existence and just just leave it alone is my is my position but but anyway it was all it was that whole is that volatility that I found really funny and fascinating and it was what informed the Master Chief character for me in RV in the chief right because I wanted to create a character that kind of embodied all of that hatred and stupidity that is cool that's what he would that's what all this traits sort of derive from in there yeah yeah so I was playing the Halo 3 beta right and then at the time I had this Master Chief action figure that I can't remember my mom might have bought it for me or something and and at the same time I also happen to be playing around with like text-to-speech synthesizers and for some reason coming together yeah exactly like it and it was also it was a Microsoft voice and like the reason I was toying around with Microsoft Sam in particular is because of how primitive it sounded like it's a very dated speech engine and so I would do like the typical kid thing of typing swear words into it and hearing it said back to me and I got a big kick out of that I think everybody tried that once they found out it was really easy to do yeah you just type the most heinous shit into the text field and then just hear it played back I got a childish kick out of that so I eventually it popped in my head like what if I put that on a character oh what if it was you know the Master Chief thing came to life and started saying that shit and I was a big fan of like toy story so like that that was that was a factor in the creation of it as well and so I put the two together and I wanted to I wanted to this was before like the company Machinima that I became affiliated with them this is just I had a YouTube account and I thought I'll just make something stupid and upload it and see what happens you know just as a hobby you know I just thought it was funny and so I had a I had a tape cam quarter at the time and I just recorded the action figure with the controller in his lap and then I wrote a little script and then had chief say those things and intercut it with like Halo 3 beta gameplay and he just characterized all the hostility that I was observing on the you know playing online and it was a way of satirizing it you know and also I was taking that trick let iconic Master Chief character and kind of flipping yes not what anyone would expect the personality of Master Chief to be like at all this is like what's going on right exactly it's like the exact opposite right it's just so petty and childish and crude and yeah so I created this video called Master Chief sucks at Halo that was about that was in 2008 maybe think I created my channel in 2006 and then I uploaded that in 2007 or eight I can't remember and it it got it went viral I got really really lucky with that and it got like millions of hits on YouTube and I made another one Master Chief sucks at Halo 2 where he literally plays Halo 2 instead of the Halo 3 beta and and then I made a third one but it was between the second and the third one that I was approached by machinima the company right who was just starting out at the time oh man that's a whole journey in that machinima oh yeah yeah that's a whole thing and so they were they were looking for content creators at the time they're a very small team the very very talented creative people and I can't really say the same about the management but their creative team at the time there's really solid people working there but not very many it was like a team of three or four or five people and then I was I became one of their content creators and I signed a contract with them and I think the original deal was that I would get paid like five dollars per thousand views or something like that but I ended up doing so well that it would have bankrupted them if we kept going with that contract so luckily for them they had the foresight to put in a clause saying that they could terminate the agreement at any time and so they revoked it and wrote up a new one and that doesn't sound fun no no and I was I was pretty young at the time I mean I wasn't that young I was in my 20s so I can't unfortunately I can't fall back on saying that I was a stupid teenager because I wasn't a teenager at the time I should have probably should have known better at that age but it will happen so fast that right I imagine exactly I was naive to all this I mean I just I just graduated from school and I was just a very homely kind of you know just making stupid shit in my bedroom and and this all seemed like a huge thing to me you know it's like wow a company in LA wants to work with me that's so that's so awesome like I'll yeah I'll do whatever whatever contract you give me I'll sign it like like anybody in in like the late 2000s if they were on the internet and a big company again in LA we're like oh here's money so like you know make a show that everybody would probably take that deal I feel like now Hollywood is very much being like de-glamorized almost if it was like nobody really at least on the internet people don't really care about Hollywood anymore I I mean I don't personally like I'm interested in LA no I think it's terrible I hate yeah I hate that whole culture like LA Hollywood I mean LA is kind of nice I like the humidity there but that's about it I don't I live in that scorched land down here and I want to be somewhere cold it's just like oh it's the same as here except it's really smoggy yeah but I was I didn't relocate to LA or anything like that I was still just doing I was in Vancouver and I would just work remotely for them producing content and then I would send it over to them and it would get thrown into their programming queue and yeah so that's that's how it started and then I made Master G sucks at Halo 3 and then Arby and the chief came along when I kind of after the third one I kind of realized that Master Chief needed a foil it only makes sense right yeah so I felt like I could get much more comedic value out of it if there is like a straight man to like play off of chief right and then I could turn the show into sort of like the arguments that happen in my head basically I would just personify them as Arbiter and Chief and I've been accused of like making Arbiter a Mary Sue and it is true what yeah where it's just like but loads of hate of all my opinions are Arbiter yeah oh wait okay like as a self-insert maybe there's probably some degree of that in chief as well though right like you'll say some stuff yes on your mind exactly that mean that dialogue from chief doesn't come out of nowhere like that shit that goes through my head in a very childish part of me you know but luckily I have to have the maturity to keep a lid on it and not actually be that person you know so but yeah it's and I always liked immature kind of humor and and so yeah so I created the Arbiter character Arbiter was actually introduced in the Master Chief sucks at Halo series but he was just as stupid as chief was and I realized like that's not the right way to do this like he should be smarter and like the straight role to like play off of chief nowadays and would call your race yeah yeah let's that's that I lose sleep over that to be honest with the whole political correctness thing and like whether the words that I use in my show are still okay to use well yeah you can be retroactively hung up for whatever you said because I'll be the chief was definitely just no filter right yeah so I'm not gonna repeat any of the words on this stream because I don't want you to get flagged or demonetized or whatever but the F word the R word those are all words that I used straight from episode one you know so if I suddenly start censoring myself now it just seems like I don't know dishonest was the way yes we get confused it's the way it confusingly works once enough people are annoyed by it we're sort of just conditioned to be like I guess I shouldn't use it I guess and right with the internet it's just combination of so many different cultures and attitudes there's all trying to morph into one but it's constantly fighting because there's so many cultures that are just like what do you mean that way it's fine and then another culture is like no it's not though and it's like yeah it is no it's not yet is right we know what that pertains to write more of the art the massive story oh well sure but I thought you were gonna mention cunt because in America that's much of a strong in Britain it's not that strong and in Australia I don't even know if it really is considered a swear word yeah yeah I mean I'm I'm from Britain I was born in Glasgow so like I understand that it cunt over there's like a term of endearment almost yeah and the word was never never struck me as a big deal but whatever the bad words that I use it was always used as a reflection of the volatility that I observed you know playing online because those are the words people use and yeah like any attempt to portray online gaming without actually just leading into the fact that people are gonna say whatever they want which includes a lot of offensive things would almost be dishonest well that's the that's the art of it isn't it because like you can't say this word it's like but that person would say this word so yes yes exactly and I thought from the get-go I wanted to make a show that depicted online gaming for what it was for just just how volatile it was and I hated you know how like publishers and developers would release trailers for video games and they would do like mock online gaming oh my god what was wasn't it a fuck what was the game vision was the division yeah that was it that's the thing they did it for Anderson as well yeah it is the cringiest fucking shit in the universe it's not how people talk yeah it's so unnatural anybody who's little NPCs yeah anybody who's played on an online game for more than 10 minutes knows that that's not how people fucking talk on there and I wanted to make a show that actually reflected how what it was like mm-hmm was it was rainbow six siege wasn't it yeah where they had like yeah and they're like all right we're gonna insert on the roof guys you ready yeah let's go exactly it's just awful it's no body coordinates on an online game everybody's a lone wolf just swearing yeah you talk we're talking me shit for like cuz I remember the you know the people who roleplay armor servers for that yeah like high level will the warcraft or even left the dead had had like at the peak of its players they'd be people who play versus like incredibly seriously like you need to tell people when you're reloading I think my favorite part of the rainbow six siege one was that there was this enemy player I think he was called havoc and they would constantly oh shit havoc he's covered havoc calm down there Sonic yeah that right yeah nobody has like really nobody has like any crazy ass online names that you would actually see like XXX smoke weed every day like 69 mom boner 69 xx and you're like gosh it's him again instead you see like Marine 7 so it's my name yes Marine 7 like okay I see in chat a guy called white light I like your reviews of gotta be white light I don't I don't I haven't watched this stuff I hope it's good hello hello white light I have never heard of you but don't worry most people haven't most people haven't heard of everyone statistically most people have not heard of you so this yeah those videos were hilarious and I don't know why they thought that would encourage like people to either people to want to play more online or the people be like oh the online looks so good it's like Nars off put in if anything if that's how everybody operates on it like yeah I don't want to be in a room where that's the discourse not that that that this discourse is totally fucking phony anyway nobody yeah I got enough I got enough get enough issues in my life going on right now I work a little bit too hard on this that and the other thing to go home sit down at my computer open up a game and call a 12 year old sir sir would you do you need some resources I can address me a sir in this role play server do you understand you that already sounds like a great sketch so doesn't it everyone's operating that way and there's this one dude a chief like character who's just like what's up fuckers just like wait you can't say just that sort of shit and you already want to do that because that's how it actually goes it's just way more fun you'd find that character more endearing than any of the others yeah that's why straight guys are so popular and why it's almost just always a good idea that kind of have one just the normal person yeah so that helps you think that this what you're watching is real because there's a realish person involved in it so I can't take that woman seriously there's no normal oh my god there isn't a straight man in that is there Jesus yeah there probably is a reason why like the the idiot and the straight man is such an endearing and recurring comedy like combination it just it works really well if you have a guy I mean that's what Wallace and Gromit is effectively you know like straight man and Wallace is this wacky crazy dude and they play off of each other really well totally yeah I I grew up watching a lot of like British sitcoms like comedy shows and like comedy duos oh yeah we had a whole barge more common wise like they all informed me on some level do you like comedic writing even though these these are technically considered old now but the newer ones like Mitchell and Webb or even French and Saunders yes Mitchell and Webb French and Saunders both brilliant yep so many good pairings so many good sketch shows and that's the thing it's funny we're on this because Fringin I were watching a bit of Mitchell and Webb like two days ago so it's like convenient for the particularly it was the one where they suggest killing all of the poor to solve problems in I can't remember the economic problems I think you guys wanted to war on poverty this is what that means yeah the whole joke is like we wouldn't do that he's like no of course we wouldn't do it but would it work we need to find out and that reminds me that Jonathan Swift essay about eating the homeless oh yeah homelessness or poverty yeah and then of course British this is a thing like it's not the other places don't have great comedy as well it's just a good thing to grow up on especially if you had like like I'm assuming do you watch Blackadder yes love it so good faulty towers yeah this is all stuff you gotta watch when you're growing up so you get a good sense of humor required viewing if you want to especially with the they've censored or they've gone rid of one of the faulty tower episodes now they got rid of the German one yeah that's really which is specifically because of the scene with the Black Doctor yeah it's like that's the reason yeah it's the best episode hell and once as we just mentioned before as well the most offensive part of Basil faulty in that episode is the fact that he's like that's the point that's him that's he's the character the other characters get to condemn him and make fun of him this is like a big problem with a lot of people's interpretation of comedy generally the idiot like and you know be chief or Basil faulty like that type they're not like or Eric Cartman they're not like the guy you're meant to be like the same laughing at same goes for Rick Sanchez and Rick and a lot of the stuff that he says is very brutal and also wrong like a lot of it is very removes elements of the truth in order to make a conclusion and that you know a lot of people idolize him a lot of people like you shouldn't be listening to me he's not a good person it's like the show is not telling you he's a good person the show is very desperately just trying to have him remain in character he would say these things because you know a lot of people get confused as being like what's the message of the show is it this thing the character said and it's like what made it be it's gonna be more complicated than that usually right that's why it's good to have characters that challenge the shit yeah sincering some South Park episodes now that it's out I'd be surprised if they weren't South Park is just well I mean South Park has had many episodes that I'm pretty sure the Scientology episode does not get replayed what was because I'm pretty sure I think Tom Cruise Mission Impossible through was coming out around the same time and Tom Cruise like Mission Impossible was Paramount South Park is Paramount or Viacom and I think Tom Cruise was wasn't going to do the promotional tour for Mission Impossible 3 because of that episode and so it doesn't rerun it's so fun but I have it on because I have the box set for season 6 to 10 the best stretch of South Park like for sure so I have it forever I remember reading about recently I'm pretty sure a few South Park episodes have been pulled I think it's Hulu doing it it's not it's obviously not Matt or Trey it's not Comedy Central I think it's Hulu because they have the streaming rights to it yeah there are five episodes on HBO Max that have been pulled down okay yeah I know HBO has been pulling stuff as well oh they're the religious ones yeah yeah yeah yeah I know that's about is it just the religious ones or is it like race related specifically any episode there are five episodes in which Muhammad appears and they're not in it those ones that would have been like the 200th episode I think they did a whole thing but that means there's no family guy the family guy episode wouldn't be in there without making a lot of people doom about this right like all everything's going to go but it's like well but if we're knocking out some of these little things we've been seeing it's like surely it is only a matter of time before each of the because we all watch these shows when they first came out there they're edgy very edgy and so it's just like are we just yeah is that what we're doing now I guess so yeah it worries me I really hate the direction we're going in right now it sucks it's if it was like this pure puritanical view on what art or like comedy is meant to be you know there's certain things that you're not allowed to do because what about the potential consequences of other people deciding to behave a certain way because they were influenced by a piece of media but that's like a really tenuous and stupid reason to do anything right you bring up a family I'm Mike Henry stopped doing the voice of Cleveland now right I heard about that yeah and no more I guess Hank Azari is up who that was a long time coming but see like yeah I remember he didn't give it up straight away it was once he'd been barked at enough that he was like I guess I'm hurting people okay fine I'll stop and that's how it's all going to go I think it's just people because the people who like this stuff don't angrily shout regularly the people that they do a great job we just we go yes good stuff I like it but the people who are angry that they're doing a bad job as much as I don't think there's that many of them relative to everyone nor do I think there's that many that agree relative to everyone but they're just going to keep shouting they're going to keep sending messages it's just gonna be like yeah okay I'll stop I'll stop I'll stop they're the vocal ones yes totally I think there's an argument to be made on the live action side of things for like if you're telling a story in a certain area of the world where it makes sense to cast an Asian person or whatever there's plenty of Asian talent there's plenty of black talent like if the role calls for like a black person or an Asian person or whatever just sure cast yeah a person of the appropriate race because there's plenty of talent it would be weird to see like Mads Mickelson playing Shaka Zulu in the right yeah rather unusual I would feel like that would be a point of contention yeah but I think what once we start getting in into the gradient of this where we're going into the territory of like comedy cartoons like comic like comedy voiceovers for a cartoon it's just like like well I mean worthwhile like right so his voice has to be replaced he's playing a Greek and he's always being played oh you know they aren't gonna do but another form of hypocrisy being you know up who is a stereotype that's why he's bad and it's like so what Willy it's like yeah but he's Scottish who cares it's like yeah well I'm surprised bumblebee man hasn't been destroyed in the process to bumblebee man is small enough right but it's funny right because Homer Simpson is just American dad well he is just the standard it's plenty offensive if you want to go that way it's like hey I'm an American father I'm not fat stupid and selfish it's like yeah well you know whatever I guess I guess everyone's willing to accept that that's a caricature while the every member of this is the thing about Simpson's it blows my mind every member of Springfield is supposed to be an extreme version of that particular stereotype or archetype like the fat policeman who just eats donuts and he's terrible at his job and you're like yeah okay the the evil white old man who's got the most money owns mansions and basically everyone is damaged in some way shape or form by his operations and he doesn't give a shit he tries to block out the Sun this is what I mean like there's one for everybody that's why Simpson's with emphasis on the was so awesome it was making fun of everybody sims at South Park as well but Simpsons was a lot more child friendly let's just say as it's worth mentioning sorry Alpou is actually like the best person altruistically in Springfield other than like Lisa right but yet we have to lose him because he's too offensive it's like that's absurd but okay yeah that they're censoring the episode about censorship kind of oh yeah well the all of the family guy episodes that they're censoring the main point was censorship they were trying to make a point about censorship it was never it's so what they're making it about it's why we have to appreciate the shit out of some of these these old cartoons it's like you have to really appreciate some of the ideas I still remember that episode vividly it's Marge makes a huge fuss about itching scratchy it gets sanitized to an insane degree and nobody even likes it anymore and she's happy everything's great then Michelangelo's David comes into town right or it's a statue that has you can you can see the bad part and she's okay with it because that's a piece of art but other people like what do you mean what about the children what are you talking about like Marge this is horrible that we need to go with protests and she's like what no and it's like ah it's very obvious what point they're making well that's what the whole South Park movie was about the kids watch Terence and Phillip because of course they were going through like of course they would and I think that's what a lot of people forget is like kids of course they're going to consume the content especially if you make it forbidden yeah you tell me how much forbidden content did you guys consume because I have my household it was a whole shelf of movies I wasn't allowed to watch and I was like well next time you guys head out I mean that's that's effectively what it is you know like people the fact that everybody is aware that Call of Duty is consumed by teenagers and children it's like well it's not supposed to be but we all know that they will anyway because of course they're going through it feels like a lot of people have forgotten what it was like actually being a kid this really cool edgy content this is the thing with how everything's going we're a part of a generation that never came before will never come again the idea that we were we were let out onto this because it all started with play pong you know in your safe little room no one can bother you good but that I eventually once it clicked on online parents I don't think really reacted to that they didn't understand what that meant your kid is now walking into a world full of un-parented kids and we go we just got a blast of reality it's just like all over the place one of well also shooting people exploding people or you know moving blocks whatever it was at least there wasn't a vagina or a booby in like that's already going away with what we've been talking about and I think I think one of the things I've thought about a lot like the whole point of Red Dead Redemption 2 is like you know these people who have to get used to the new times and they don't understand it and obviously when you look at it like dude civilization is cool but like if you look at the internet as like the old West which is what it feels like it feels like I'm Arthur Morgan here like I just don't understand this you know civilization don't mind it you know I just want the freedom like that's all I want I just want the internet to be what it was like this untempered wild land where there was a lot of great it was what was wonderful I the internet used to be insanely good it was just the best thing ever there was so little filtering so little censorship it was just all over the place nowadays like every other article it's like hey remember that favorite thing of yours guess what you're like it should have never been made and you're a bad person for enjoying it retroactively yeah gone with the wind gone right yeah I think they're bringing that one back with with a disclaimer we'll see that yeah I heard about that and I still think it's absurd the idea that like so whatever is in there right that was offensive I wonder how many movies that applies to and then should all movies actually and then I was just like what you're doing is just you going through the cycle of why we even have age ratings that's all you're doing like it's ridiculous why would we need anything beyond age ratings there are ideas out there that if we expose a person to them they could be hurt like this isn't fun like this this sounds like something else now right and also a fence is subjective you know like what what if I just saw something and I was like man I'm offended by the teller tubbies they're making fun of morbidly obese people who eat TVs you know like you then eat TV some goodness you know that's like oh we're sorry or what was some bananas in pyjamas you know like sentin bananas is terrifying I couldn't sleep or like I guess it's just um I feel like even something as wholesome as Sesame Street you could find some way to spin it oh dude you're limitless with interpretation we've seen that actually with modern YouTube even in the past like year most of the never people will be looking back at old cartoons or old shows or old movies that are absolutely innocent and being like you do get that this is about fascism you know like I'm sorry you know like you don't start SpongeBob is trying to teach and you're like shut the fuck up Jerry Jerry is running away from Tom it's it's it's just as it's no it's about marginalization it's an analogy for capitalism analogy Jerry is the oppressive white man because I think there's there's room for this weird middle ground where I remember when I was younger my dad but he got a big box DVD set of like all the old Looney Tunes and in like the preamble whatever was before the show they just say some of these cartoons were made a long time ago and some of them have you know racial depictions of stereotypes and da da da but we're you know we're just letting you know that this is a you know it's what they did back then and we're preserving these originals here and they're you know original form because you know it's art and it's from a different time and it's all that sort of thing and if that's all they did I would just man if that was if only that could be the world where we lived in where that's as far as they wanted to go it's a shame as well because if you fight too hard for this stuff if you fight publicly and hardly to be able to have all these words be not conceivable it's like you can start getting some labels and then you have people coming after you in different ways depending on how popular you are you got to be real careful yeah because the whole the whole idea is effectively you're defending a principal more so than anything the whole idea of like absolutely it's not any single use of the thing in any particular context it's more just a wider scale it's always about your you don't want then it has to be all or nothing you have to commit to all or nothing because if you don't it's just going to be some wishy washy bullshit that's decided by whoever has the most power at the time that's the power of intersubjectivity where you get enough people who have a similar take subjectively and thus it has to be accounted for as in if we just if we paid a million people to say that they're offended by the word chungus I think it would actually become a swear word if they just kept saying it over and over again there's horribly offensive it relates to fat people and it's disgusting and defamatory and you I mean they're trying it with Karen right they're trying to make it so we'll have to see how that goes what was the one you said goblin oh right yeah I used goblin in a tweet the other day and I had someone leave a comment on there saying like can you be careful using words like that they're often associated with like Jew hate and I was like what the fuck it's like completely unrelated I was just like it's a goblin goblins are you can't take me talking dog give me back my goblin word you can't take that yeah that's goblins I'll get you oh yeah remember the okay symbol that got made into a Nazi symbol for a while is that still a thing over they given up on that one I think they gave up on it I think they gave up on it it's just it's so it was so ridiculous it it caught on just enough for all the normies to get wind of it well remember we watched a video on EFAP about it there was a guy explaining like you need to stop using it because it is like an IGN thing wasn't it I think so it was a fairly big studio guy and he was like guys we have to stop using the okay symbol because reason it's kind of few people in chat give me the goblin pass thank you guys my G what's up my G words what's up my gig is my goblins like my goblins yeah I'm really sick of those preachy condescending articles about like we really need to stop doing X or whatever it is yeah I love that I always frame it that way we it's like we really need to stop doing another one they say we really need to talk about and then thing and it's like what oh yeah like yeah I'm really it is a curiosity it's just like how long before they're like you know Schindler's list is pretty offensive actually just like there goes our chance of getting a musical if only we're we're we in in Argentisms we've got you brought up the idea of the the the satatized versions of game chat that's where we went off the rails so we could get back that's the fat yeah was it was it relevant to like you wanting to I don't know provide the alternative and stuff right in the in the stories right yeah so yeah I just I wanted to depict the the online gaming sphere for what it was and I feel like big companies developers publishers were kind of shying away from what it really was and I was just like no like let's actually look at what it is you know and I don't I know I had people affiliated with like Bungie or Microsoft were fans of what I did but they couldn't publicly kind of announce it like there's Halo Waypoint was a thing I don't know if you heard of that but it was yeah yeah yeah it was like a content platform for Halo related videos some red versus blue stuff went on there I think and I knew somebody with Halo Waypoint who is a big fan of what I did but they were like we can't have your stuff on the platform unfortunately and I was like me you know what that's okay I get it like I understand I realize I'm kind of going in a direction here where I'm painting the the culture for what it is and it's not a flattering look but it is what it is you know that's the direction I wanted to go in and I accept the consequences of that if nobody no big companies want to affiliate with me fine at least I'm I'm writing the content that I want to make you know and I have my audience and it's for them and they enjoy it and whoever wants to get on board is welcome to and yeah and so yeah I kept doing that and I made a first season of the show are being the chief and then a second one and and a third one and the fourth one and between the third and the fourth one there was a gap because I got burned out after season three and I was kind of like I don't want to do this anymore at least not necessarily permanently but I was just like I got to just take a break and then see how I feel a little bit later and that they it was obviously getting so many views at that point the show that they wanted to keep that train going so they decided they wanted to do it in house so they would they would take over the writing and they would like get the action figures and then they would film more episodes of the show without my involvement and so that was what Arby and the chief in LA was I don't know if you guys heard of that yeah that's a whole fucking thing I mean there's so many different questions to it I guess it's just like what do you have to say about all that oh Christ well they they made the first couple episodes and they were horribly received and then they make yeah and then they came to me so what is this this is Arby and the chief in LA what's that yeah so that that was the quote on quote fourth season that I wasn't involved in because I was burned out after season three and I was just like I don't want to do this at least for a little while but they machinima wanted to keep it going because it was such a view cow for them yeah and so they wanted to just do it themselves they would they would have their own writer and their own puppeteer and cinematographer and all that and I was it's kind of insane how that's a microcosm of how TV shows will often go in real life like yes a creative is behind it they they push everything to be the way that it is it becomes loved and that creative wants to or is there yes and it's like yeah kind of well I mean it's I mean the chief in LA is kind of like season four of community almost yeah lost lost the person who made it and people could tell I could tell and I was like 14 or 15 at the time yeah yeah it's true with a lot of things as soon as the creative director goes or like just key members of the it's the ones that just had the most input right it's like when you lose them you're not getting the input that was required to make the thing in the first place I mean look at companies like bungee like bungee like you know look at all the companies like Bioware well I think I think Naughty Dog might be the interesting one right now because people are I've seen people make the observation that a lot of and I've been thinking about this a lot lately like the whole idea that the studio is very different I mean Andy Gavin Jason Rubin haven't been there since Jack and Daxter and they founded the company Amy Hennig hasn't been there for a long time Bruce Strattley left so you have like a lot of big people cycle out and slowly but surely you eventually end up with a different team and they're not necessarily going to make the decisions that you describing Simpsons now as well right wow Simpsons yeah there's another one just cycled all of the creatives out and now we we don't even know who's right at these episodes really we are like it's it's rare that you ever notice the change but the change eventually comes and that's it's stark but I guess it's an interesting thing that we often like I think a lot of people often don't think about the people who make the content that they like I mean I think it's really easy when you think about actors and stuff but a writer's room I mean the Simpsons writer's room was legendary but barely anybody would know their names except like Conan O'Brien and those for a lot of video game developers I mean a lot of people probably don't know who Jason Jones is or or Joseph Staten or any of those guys despite the fact that millions of people consumed what they made it's kind of funny because you can see it from both directions there it's like when they buy it they're like well all we really needed because that's what people want and then we just need brand you actually have consumers who are like yeah I don't really care who's writing it I just want to see Han Solo shoot his gun I just want to see Luke Skywalker with his lightsaber I don't really care what's happening and it's like those people will be pleased no matter what but then you just have these hardcore fads said they're like something's not right it's something's wrong yeah something's missing yeah I feel like that's well we probably can't talk about the last of us too because Mola hasn't played it yet but that's yeah probably shouldn't even brought it up it's probably gonna get talked about chat now whoops Oh sorry I'll I'll look away because I'm I'm I'm on the cusp of being able to play it so I'm excited to react to everything Brandy have you have you played it John or yeah and then I realized this is going to be a very unpopular opinion but I fucking loved it I really did wow that is a oh that sucks we can't have you back once well if you're willing and what once we do a last of us to stream because we're planning I'll do it you've had for it for sure yeah I'm I'm really blown away by how divided everyone is on it I I guess in a way it's not yeah I agree in a way it's not surprising but like the hatred I'm seeing for it is so strong it's just that there's an I wasn't expecting it to that degree you got there's other elements involved people are unhappy with the story it's also correct me from wrong but the angle yeah but I also only business practices that people were concerned with in relation to a naughty dog as well the studio and the crunch well that's why we got the leaks we got the leaks because a guy there got so fed up with how terrible the company was treating him he was like fuck it here's what's happened he is what happens in the game I think that's been the beginning I think the problem was that there were a lot of things that happened beforehand that could lead somebody to believe that that there were that there were going to be problems like the whole idea of 17 out of 20 designers leaving in a short period of time it's like well that's a lot of new guys you have to come in and are they going to do as good I mean but then again it's interesting right because most of the criticism is directed at the story very few people were talking about the game play which I think it's just good I'm not sure if I'd go much further but I think the story the problem was the decision they made it was probably never going to like a lot of people would never going to like that I feel I feel like they were probably more well it's kind of a weird criticism right you should have done it this way but done the same thing but there's like a lot of validity to the whole idea maybe they should have inverted the story and done it in the opposite but that I don't know part of the problem is I know what they were trying to do but I I'm not convinced that they executed on it very well but but we can't talk about it don't mean to blue ball chat but it'll come eventually and like I said we'll we'll have you if you want to if you want to chat about it because we'll probably take several hours to talk about what's wrong with it once once we once we've all got the context we need as in playing it all because I'll watch Mahler play it and his playthrough so I'll be around for the ride so I'll be able to know everything about what's going on mm-hmm yeah I I agree it's definitely not a perfect game but I just the the degree of shit that it's getting I think is well I think I think that any score for that game I was talking about it with a couple of people like it's a four out of ten and I was I was flawed like I don't see how anybody could say that no especially then the attention to detail and the animation and everything at the same time I imagine you both agree it's not a ten out of ten so oh yeah I I don't think it is gotta find that number it sits on where might it be I don't I don't I don't think the I don't think the first game is a ten had a ten either no yeah no the do I no the it's in my big most over over praise overrated games of all time mm-hmm so anyway right so we were on Arby the chief in LA right yes yeah so they did the first three episodes received horribly and then my producer contact at Machinima contacted me and he was actually writing the scripts for it because screenwriter I was gonna it's gonna be so weird to have to write for a bunch of characters when you not even necessarily prepared for you just like I don't know that they say this stuff I guess yeah exactly it's just so so not the way to like do this and so I I definitely regret the decision of handing it over but you know I was I was burned out you know and it's like something had to give you know you are were you working on like hard justice and one life remaining around that time yeah I would jump between projects and that was kind of a it helped me stay productive because I would work on one show and kind of get tunnel vision and then yeah and then I would jump to another show and kind of be able to look at it with fresh eyes and then get a sudden surge of inspiration and then to work on that for a bit and then I'd get bored of that and then I'd jump back to the other thing and that really worked for me is that kind of the I this kind of like a tangent bit I figure that might be the reason why the bites miniseries alongside like yes it's a nice diversion from the plot and yeah there's different objectives when I'm writing this full story episodes and then bite episodes bite episodes I'm just trying to make people laugh and the plot doesn't really matter the plot can be absolutely ridiculous as long as it's funny and then with the story episodes I'm much more focused on the plot making trying there's a lot more focus on plot and I don't let the plot come at the expense of a joke a lot of the times so go ahead sorry I was gonna ask and I know you don't like one life remaining hard justice but if you had to choose which one of those shows do you like more what do you reckon jeez probably hard justice I think I think they're both they're both kind of cringy looking back on them for me I mean because they're like a lot of the jokes didn't land Oh thank you I really appreciate that I mean I'm not shitting on anybody who likes the show either I'm really appreciative of anybody who likes my old content well I guess some I guess what I would say is like hard justice and one life remaining a really funny but the plots are a little bit flimsy ridiculous yes well yeah I mean like I I remember like I think I think what with the like Bernard and and all that and then it was like investigating on why if you don't want to talk about a spot like no if you go ahead I'm totally fine with it yeah hard justice it was a big dick joke that's the reason it was called yeah I didn't realize that and the the the police group is called erect erect eradication of repulsive evil wicked rocks yeah yeah exactly this is just erect stupid dick jokes and but sometimes the plot took itself too seriously in contrast with that and it just didn't work like in in retrospect is about plotting though like having done those shows because they was they were serialized but can you repeat the first part of that sorry I missed it do you think that that doing those shows what and I think this is an interesting thing when it comes like any creative enterprise like the fact that you have to make stuff that isn't as good to get good do you think that like plotting and structure story structure and stuff like that oh for sure yeah I'm I'm a huge believer and failure you know and like you must love the last Jedi actually I get I get shit because I had said that I watched last Jedi in theater and I didn't mind it I thought it was okay listen oh it's all well I don't know how you currently feel but a couple my friends came out one of them said it was me both of those dudes hate the film now so it your mind changes I came out confused yeah it's nowhere near perfect but I will say that I still like it better than Rise of Skywalker that's fine I think that's a bad I think that's fine yeah honestly choose between which one of those two is worse I'm I'm on the rare team of choose any of the sequels they're also terrible choose whatever what you you're watching if I mean you can tell are written by different people like those films you probably argue that TROS was written by someone different from TFA and yet yeah I think I had watched last Jedi two with a fondness of Rian Johnson because I I liked his work well he had he had directed a few episodes I'm not of course he didn't write the episode but he directed a few episodes of breaking bad yep and he wrote looper I think I have respect for directing yeah like I'm fine with him he directed from my limited understanding of what I can draw of a directors talents from just watching the film seems to me like he's he's pretty strong but holy shit his writing and this is coming from because I remember when people like are you gonna you know last for last for sorry last Jedi is gonna be great because it's written by the guy wrote looper I remember being like wait wait but loopers out I think but then I feel like looper has kind of it's just kind of the issue with all time travel stories for the most yes it's not just the because the compare this this is the thing mini rent like Ryan Johnson was like hey you're supposed to treat looper even if you think it doesn't make sense the same way you treat Terminator you give them the time travel right at the beginning and the rest the story runs without it and as YMS says that doesn't make any fucking sense at all looper has the time travel tism happening throughout it this plot relies on it the biggest payoff in the movie is to do with time travel it cannot be separated the entire time while Terminator he's right you only need the opening and then the rest of it runs without time travel because I remember like I think the thing in the looper was the whole I can remember what you do after you do it and then they communicate messages fuck it doesn't make sense because if you scarred yourself with a message you grew up with it and also the fundamental premise of the film doesn't work you can't kill people in the future but they killed his wife and that's what made him angry which is like wait and this this is Ryan Johnson's writing he's he's gunning for the emotional payoffs which everybody probably should do as writers that's the thing that everyone loves about him but holy shit you gotta earn your way there you can't just skip over a bunch of stuff and just be like I don't know don't who cares it's not about science it's about about fun which right yeah we could we could probably get into that as we progress I imagine yeah I think I'm usually more forgiving with then a lot of people I know because like I come from like I went to film school for four years I know how hard it is making a movie and I I had seen Ryan Johnson in interviews and he always struck me as a really nice guy and so that I think that kind of soften the blow for me where I you know I've I watched last jet I'm like yeah he tried it was all right you know I mean I'd be sure like yeah definitely tried like you could tell that he was interested in making that film it was just a few days ago I was on Twitter arguing that I don't think he did it at all for the money really I think that he did it because he's a creative who had a passion if you watch the behind scene stuff he seems to be very invested in all of his ideas I'm okay with that I just think he didn't do a good job the ideas were just really shit and they ruined a lot of stuff that's totally fair I get that yeah for sure that movie definitely was not about making money happy that it just had lightsabers and the characters and space that's what they were after and they got it so good for them but the individuals they hire definitely have their own ideas which again is a good thing it's just that I don't know when you join a franchise this kind of comes back to us talking about not only I'll be the chief of the community as well and and Simpson it's like when you take over for a thing you need to learn that shit because you got to continue it you don't just add onto it like Lego that's not how it works right I'll be in the chief in L.I. right yeah that's where we were so we just we just have all these tangents we just go that's how we are keep getting derailed there's no no worries I don't mind so so my producer contacted machine I had contacted me saying look these episodes aren't faring very well and they wanted me to just help they asked like can you help us out at all like I realize you're burned out but like can you at least just handle the writing part of it and I agreed reluctantly but that was a mistake because I had to keep going what they had established which was flawed and stupid and I should have just I should have just argued that we should just like kill that season and I would just move on to I mean at that point I still wasn't prepared to take the whole show back on because I was just I was still burned out because it was just like a week or two after but I agreed to handle the writing of it and I didn't do a good job with the writing and I knew you were kind of set up not very well to you know like salvage it I would say the the base was already flawed you know what I mean so yeah probably that was a factor and also yeah because of that my heart wasn't in it but if my heart isn't in something I should have known better I should have just not done it you know because like I'm of the mindset now where if you're going to do something like do it a hundred percent or just don't do it at all and I wasn't giving it a hundred percent there just because there was too many flawed elements but I just I finished I powered through it I finished the season off and I felt pretty ashamed of it and myself and so but at that point I was feeling kind of invigorated enough it's like a drive to be like you know what it can be good though that sort of thing yes yes yeah so I thought like I can I can fix this this can still be a good show and you know if I'm doing everything again you know I'm not so burned out anymore and I can get a lot of creative satisfaction and the fact that I'm handling every aspect of it again and the fact is I did want to do the show again at that point I was ready to take it back so I took back creative control complete creative control of the show again and I called it season 4 so I basically pretended that Harvey and the chief in LA didn't exist and yeah so I just I went ahead and did season 4 and some of my best episodes are in that I think season 4 was like pivotal because I think you can see the transition into what it eventually became as a viewer in that season yeah well in the latter half of season 4 there's a big yeah there's a real I had a kind of a there's a big click in my brain all of a sudden when it came to like writing scripts like there's one episode I did called night of the evading dead yeah I remember that one evading a reference to a particular armor ability in the game anyway the script was structured where the character a character was in one state that be at the beginning but in a different state at the end of the movie and it sounds so like obvious but when when you're in the in the position of being the writer for some reason I hadn't come to the conclusion that I could have character development in my scripts right until now you know do you think that's tied to the fact that it was comedy more so than anything like the and comedy just naturally like well the characters got to stay the same because that's that's the joke it's these characters dealing with these situations that's a great point I think you're right about that yeah there's something about comedic writing where characters are kind of frozen look at this like Simpsons right every character learn something at some point but they're still exactly the same basically throughout the how long is it 35 years whatever they're all the same yeah right yeah so I've I figured out in that moment that I don't know like because chiefs character really never changes and if he did then I think the show would be over so I figured out that he couldn't change it in a significant way but there could be some slight kind of evolution in his character or Arbiter's character or whatever a lesson could be learned which is actually something I find super interesting about chief them I'm going to vaguely describe something and I'm pretty sure for you you'll be able to pick up who I'm referencing here but from a different show I mean so you have a character that is specifically one way but you kind of want to have moments where they're doing specific things and you're like but they can't fundamentally because of this this this so how do I how do I connect their fundamental motivation which is mostly an evil one to allowing them to have good person payoffs and like you have to it can be extremely difficult but you have to motivate chief by essentially being the lesser of two evils right that's usually what it is he usually commits to doing some kind of action that is fundamentally on its own maybe in isolation a bad act but they're doing it in favour of something better or to a awful person to prevent them from doing something worse which is how we can get him into situations where he's almost a hero but fundamentally still in character right yes I think I think like chief you can see that probably in like season six the interesting idea of like he's like well I don't want Halo to go away so like it's a very selfish reason to do a heroic thing you know I like playing Halo I don't want it to go away but yet yeah chief is such selfish person that he wouldn't typically put himself in half well harm's way as far as you know online games of concern to do something good well I think it says yeah whereas Arbiter has many reasons to make because he's a thoughtful person so it's it's different like it's a he has a different reason to do good things and it always came across to me as a stakes thing as well when when Halo as a whole is at risk the little jabs and swear words and just endearing because it is right now that's just fun because because we're actually trying to do something really important when everything scales back down and he and Arbiter just gonna have a game online and he's being addicted someone is kind of like hey don't be so like ass holy come on that's sort of thing it's really interesting how it can change speed like when we're in the thick of a big fight against a big enemy trying to save the world and he's doing the exact same stuff he's always done which like how that old chief the idea of like making the show serialized I'm sure like I'd listen to a director's commentary that you did where you mentioned and it just makes sense to me the whole idea of like if Arbiter is a thoughtful intelligent person who is stuck in the same place day in day out playing Halo like surely that's got to be like surely he's not content with that right like surely this isn't he's not happy with his life exactly yeah so yeah I realized that kind of that didn't make sense like why would someone as smart as he is be satisfied with the state of his life you know just and how could he possibly spend that much time with someone who he could never be friends with like how do you do that yeah so like he started getting depressed which was a reflection of my own depression that I dealt with in my own life right and a lot of the writing that I did as the show went on was kind of therapeutic in a way you know because I was dealing with my own thoughts about life and feeling like shit and and I would kind of explore those ideas through the toys you know and that that that delighted some people it pissed off a lot of people I think I polarized naturally a lot of people in that moment but I I don't I don't think the show ever jumped the shark I don't think so personally because it was always about like online relationships with people like encountering people online and like various personalities and what I did with like season five and then onward is that I would take one character and just focus on them for like the whole season rather than just one episode and I was like this is an opportunity to kind of really explore single character or a batch of characters but anyway so the so I did I worked on season four and and then I I all of a sudden became much more serious about screenwriting and then I bought a bunch of books on it and I really I was like I was just kind of fucking around before like yeah just like writing kind of stream of consciousness almost like this is funny this is funny not really thinking about like book ending stories or foreshadowing or using plot devices and then sophisticated kind of way but I wanted to I wanted to do that and and I wrote I wanted to get good at it so I bought all a bunch of books and I bought like the the SID field books you know how to be a screenwriter and all the stuff right yeah I bought I think you wrote three books I bought all of those right I'm all and you feel started that they helped oh yeah definitely and I took structure a lot more seriously and I had like white boards I did the index hard thing where I would you know I would always have three acts and then ah you know it's all useful like framing for how you're going to fit your ideas into something and make them full right um what what do you think would be like any particular things you really felt like are this is making it all work now this particular thing when I I think I was always kind of adhering to the three act structure like subconsciously but now at this point I was very aware of it and it helped the outlining process a lot and I I still I still do the exact same thing I don't do the whiteboards and index cards because it's just kind of a pain in the ass to be honest it's quicker to just do it in notepad but I'll write like act one act two act three and then I'll indent that and then I'll list in three word beats what are like the within those acts right and it's usually can be it's like a switch or a delivery of a key piece of information or something you know it's like this scene this character does this this character says this and it's like a power switch that leads into the next scene organically you tend to have low points of the end of your second act yes yes the fact you know for the most part yeah you know you make sense a low point or a crisis or whatever you want to call it it's just things reach a boiling point right yeah and so I still I still go by that same pattern to when I'm writing episodes today and I did back then I started doing that and it really helped me like there's I think people who don't know about screenwriting and story structure they think that it's confining to have to adhere to a three act structure but I find that it maximizes your ability to tell us a dramatic to like to tell a dramatic story and inflict an emotion on people like the just say that limitations can really really inspire creativity yes yeah exactly God hmm yeah well if you ever found one working with that sort of thing though that you you're like damn I kind of want to I want to fourth act to erupt here kind of make it work or is it always worked out with three no it's always worked out with three for me I remember somebody DM'd me somebody sent me a hostile Twitter DM and they were like a you keep talking about how the third act is so fucking great I'm paraphrasing here but he said you should definitely read this book and it was a link to a book is called the Hulk's Guide to Screenwriting and the whole thing was written in all caps which I thought I was incredibly obnoxious possible to fucking um what yeah God right because the joke is he's the Hulk and he's angry and he therefore anyway so I was reading this book and the book was saying that you could have as many act breaks in a story as you want and the the idea of adhering to just three is limiting the potential of your story and I don't think I agree with that I don't agree with yeah yeah I'm not sure I feel like it's not that it can't work in theory I just feel like you're gonna have to really get all gel together I bet most people would try that and it would come out really really strange right so what the three act structure represents to me is the pattern of birth death and rebirth that is so intrinsic to existence you can there's you can't really get around it or refine it anymore than what it is and I think you can have as many act breaks in a story as you want but they're all going to fall under a broad three-act paradigm you know it's I think generally the way that acts are often defined as the door closes and the protagonist now must continue on this path the way that they can't go back anymore like they're forced onto the rail so like you know first act in signing event main character is now locked into a situation that they have to resolve and then the second act generally is the whole idea the door has now closed and then forces them like it forces them to come to some sort of revelation that will now allow them to win so almost the whole idea of everything starts off simple and they're cool first act door closes and now the character is forced to do with a situation they're unfamiliar with they approach it from their old point of view and then they lose and they change their point of view and then they win and that's like the simplest effective story I guess so but but there's nothing about that that limits the amount of times that you can force a character into a situation they have to get out of you know what I mean it's like it's just like a broad categorization precisely I think you hit the nail on the head it's a point of no return right and the the three act thing is it's just it's like you come across a cave you go in the cave and kill the monster and come out of the cave that's there's your three acts you know it's like I don't that's that goes back to like the dawn of man you know it's like the eternal story and I'm assuming this applies to seasons for you right not necessarily individual episodes and the season as a whole both yeah so when when I moved on to season five that was when I switched to Syria a serialized format and not only did I structure the season in three acts but I structured each episode in three acts as well there just obviously wasn't as much of a focus on butting things up at the end of each episode but I would definitely try to button things up at the end of the season diction and yeah yeah so I think the for season five it was like the first three episodes were act one of the season as a whole and then the middle six episodes five or six episodes were act two and then the last two or three episodes were act three and so now I wanna I was gonna bring the obvious question of like with serialization comes stories that are longer comes more focus on drama rather than comedy comes the confusion or even concerns that like the format you're using does not lend itself rule wise very well two stories as in you're limited by game mechanics and how how is that in terms of an approach because you know you wanna to have stakes you need rules but sometimes game rules don't match the kind of rules you're trying to create in your you know dramatization of events happening the standard ones being like however been talks to each other as they as they meet up with each other in the game versus most people wouldn't wouldn't be doing that in the in the game really when playing they'd be in parties or they wouldn't be talking at all that sort of thing yes exactly so yeah there's some there's some license that I take personally and like making you're right people don't talk like that online I mean there's the specific dialogue I don't think is unnatural but just the way the the format in which people talk oh well it's yeah this goes the same for a lot of content in media like an unspoken rules where we all have to go like I guess that's that's how that works then that's how that you know it happens in sci-fi and fantasy all the time in terms of that's how but when they're chasing I forget its name villain from season 5 why am I a friend yeah the trend yeah the the tracing him and he like gets into a so hornet right my halo knowledge is right yeah and he does he escapes into the distance and it's like he's moving servers when he goes to the edge of a map I guess like that's just how that works you're like all right that's how that works yeah in my mind it's he's navigating to a point in the map where no players will engage him and he has time to like go into his start menu and quit the game it's kind of stupid I know it is I mean that makes sense I guess like that you don't want to quit mid game in case they can frag you right I'll avoiding being fragged right so sorry say that again is like I for these just trying to drag you down I'll agree with you and say stupid yeah yes so I agree there's there's things about the plot that are kind of dumb but although I was saying that it was that's what you have no choice though this isn't an accident of your writing this is this is what your tools are you actually can't do anything about this like you have to right mold the world around your writing as best you can yes exactly and that's what I liked about RV in the chief more than my older shows is that the game is treated as a game like the they you know the the toys in the room that's like real life and then they log onto the game and the the way the game operates to a degree is incorporated into the story like with one life remaining in hard justice that's treated as like the real world and that's part of why it's so cringy to me yes why is everybody wearing armor it's just dumb it's just so dumb to look at and but I always liked how RV in the chief treats the game as a game even though like you were saying I take some license and how in the format of how people talk and stuff and but I think it worked still to a degree and I like it's all in service of certain themes and you know exploring the headspaces of certain characters and you know my own feelings you know emotions that I was going through growing up in my 20s well it was the character work that got me it wasn't the adherence to halo as a video game mechanically like I was like I mean I could take it or leave it but the right yeah whatever you know how everyone was dealing with all the different situations came up with like I love the idea of a group of in game almost like terrorists trying to take it all down and in response to tosses which is absurd but whatever like I can't believe it it's not even that detached from reality there's a group called Lizard Squad that took down Xbox Live Sony's Network yeah so a group of people can come together and attack you know networks and bring them down either for financial gain or just to disrupt you know the status quo or whatever you know just just for fun it like it also applies to the whole wedding crash thing I mean there's precedent for it was that World of Warcraft you know where they had the fuel in the game and a bunch of because of course somebody was gonna do that you know like it's the internet so there's always like precedent for people behaving in the ways that are they do on on the show like because it's happens in real life like people do these things people take down online networks people you know like crash video game you know funerals and weddings I'm really glad you brought that up because I forgot about that that that is one of the main reasons like season five is the way it is is because of that wow funeral and I thought that was so fascinating that yeah it's like it's a video game but people are gathering in this digital space as if it's a serious mournful thing even though it's a bunch of avatars fucking jumping around and I think you have characters discuss that right in the season there I think their conversations just marvelling on this actually having happened is insane right yeah so people are having these very monumental kind of events that should happen in a real space or you know I've heard of people getting married in Halo or whatever it's like it's actually happened and I'm indifferent to it like if people want to do that that's fine I just think it's kind of there's something about it that's all right it's crazy shit but you know whatever if that's what you if if that's what pleases the misses then I guess that's what you're doing yeah and it is something that happens so like what I was doing if people said it was my plot was stupid or whatever I could at least say well this did actually happen it's not that divorced from what people actually do so the the wow thing really fascinated me and then you know it got rated that that was the other factor that motivated like it wasn't just the funeral it was the fact that it got invaded by a bunch of people and trolled and it's like what were you expecting you know like this this was bound to happen it's it's an online competitive play space and you're just hoping that nobody comes in and ruins it yeah is social etiquette but you're in an environment in which yeah etiquette is irrelevant because there are no consequences we were talking about the forbidden thing right like you're getting told you have to behave and you have to respect it it's like no that's a warning and it's like I'm like I have to respect real space to hell with that right what's the whole idea yeah and then if you want to make video game police like tosses it's never going to work because you can't do anything to them which is also a real fucking thing if you look up bully hunters oh yeah yeah that oh yes I have Rags got a video on bully hunters oh boy yeah I'm not even sure they ever thought it would work it's such a bizarre concept it could never work video games boys yes it's it's dumb right but like that this is I like making fun of this kind of stuff and kind of illustrating it in in my plots right and but before I get into much detail on season 5 I just want to say I ended season 4 with an episode called the spider yes and I thought that's still one of the best episodes ever made and because I really like Craig it was at that point where I realized oh I've got a strong theme here and then I all of a sudden I realized the importance of theme and how it holds everything together and then I think I think I was aware of them the power of thematic subconsciously throughout like writing but now I became really hyper aware of it and oh yeah dude is I'm great but it's it's like a lot of people I guess foolishly learned it's like just having one that's what you got to do it's like it was executions always about execution right and so I really I was really pleased with how that episode turned out where at the beginning of the episode Arbiter's terrified of spiders and at the end of it he's best friends with a spider he becomes friends with it and and then it ends they're playing Majora's Mask and the last shot is is link opening a chest and getting a hundred rupees and it cuts the credits right there I just thought that worked really well because it's like a parallel of like going into the dark tunnel that's scary and then you get the reward at the end of it you know in this case it's the friendship with something that he would never thought in a million years he'd be friends with it's just funny because I'm flashing forward to how some of these stories go and I'm like oh man yeah I mean yes but oh man yeah right and there's also there's a literal spider in the hallway in that that part of Majora's Mask I'm talking about I don't know if you guys played Majora's Mask but there's once you get the bomber's notebook and you go underground it's a tunnel with a spider at the end of it and at the beginning of the episode Arbiter doesn't want to go down the tunnel because there's a spider at the end mm- that was actually had a scare of spiders and a scare of the spiders in Zelda like that was always a very you know I'm not I'm not sure if there's a reason to be afraid of spiders up in North America but down here there's plenty of reasons oh you guys are having a hell of a time with spiders down there I heard about like the fires and then the fires created a habitable environment for a shitload of spire spiders all of a sudden spiders they have fire spiders yeah the fire breath of the spider the world of warcraft they're just like right well I mean that's that's the thing like the fires got rid of all the koalas but then in their place are all the shit ones you know the shitty out of all that we don't like because you know we got our cuddly critters who are also venomous like platypuses but then then the spiders that you have a lot of reason like I I the list of spiders in this country that are very dangerous and not only dangerous but just a common in households in dark corners fortunately I don't live in Sydney but fun a web spider is a nice fun one that stands up on its back legs and like flares it's a it's um fangs in the air so it's like posturing this is how bold these spiders are like fucking terrifying oh they're horrifying and they're how did it happen how did Australia end up with all these things once described Australia as a beta test like God's beta test when he was creating the world trying to figure out what he could everything goes there first after Noah's Ark landed wherever the fuck and Noah got all the weird animals and said all right y'all need to go just y'all need to go somewhere else well I think find an island or something because you can't hang out here with the rest of us all the cool animals to what you already would near them haha natural explanation for a lot of this is that um all of the continent's starting splitting apart that the ecosystems began to form independently I mean it was only really humans who decided to walk between these places but the animals largely stuck to themselves and so you know that's the reason why Australia is the only place that has must suit feels and it's the reason why you know like Europe is the place that had rabbits and um and wolves and stuff like that but Australia is this weird one because it's really not connected to any of the other continents in any significant way so basically developed all on its own unless of course you buy into the conspiracy theory that Australia is actually in South America and it's a big why made up no no no Australia is not real yeah I was going to say we know it's not real uh it's obvious I've seen the alleged photos of Australia obviously fake no one would ever make it that over the top like we're not we're not cool with lies on this podcast but we entertain yours make it a little more believable if it was actually real jumping rats that have pouches I mean what is this yeah it's weird so someone said it broke off from pangea first and everything got hyper competitive there it's actually I was going to say like Australia is the xbox live of the yeah I love the idea that all of the animals had to just keep out evolving each other because they kept killing each other yeah all of the things I always have difficulty I just pulled up a map of pan pan gea or pan guy I think it's what it's cool and I like how they have a map that shows where all of the countries are and and yeah you can see like Africa yeah it's cool and Africa isn't a country but I get what you're saying oh yeah no I know it's stupid like I was the I don't think Africa is stupid that's fucked up dude but yeah I love I personally love Africa but yes Australia looks like it's right at the bottom even low and then Antarctica and then you know they will split off that's um it's yeah I think that's how the ecosystems form because really there's there's no explanation like the animals here are a weird I like them a lot but I mean koalas are weird man like there's not really you know koalas our possums platypus is a very weird animals um a kid there's there's nothing really the only marsupials we've got over here our possums marsupials like your possums are they hold on we we need to this is something we need to know right I I I just heard that they are I'm sorry to interrupt do you mind if I just take a few minutes to go to the bathroom I'll be right back I'm sorry okay alright thanks we're going to let John do it most of the time we prevent people from peeing on EFAP that is a rule our possums are marsupials um they are indeed marsupials possums they're nifty looking up see a picture of a Virginia opossum there are I mean do you have the thing like possums like to crawl around in people's roofs that's kind of like well that's just a lot it's just a lot of animals do it's just a place for them you know yeah like raccoons right bring up spiders by the way if you had like a an ethical experiment where a child is brought up without seeing a single animal their entire life all the way up till they're like age 20 and then you present them a spider a rather large one I feel like they'd be afraid of it right I think that spiders have a lot of reasons to be a they don't really have and I think I think there's a reason why even bears like bears are not friendly animals depending on which species they are but yet people get teddy bears it's like why it's it's really easy to I guess because they're anti-corrified yeah and their friend well anti-corrified mammals like mammals or like the closer they are looking to us the more we're like yeah they're probably friendly yeah like it's the reason why a lizard is less scary than a snake because it's still got four limbs you know it's it's still got a whereas a snake it might have a face but you know it slithers around like it's it's it's the same reason that people are afraid of those scary arse-looking fish at the bottom of the ocean God yeah because they're horrifying they're like from your nightmare they're like thului monsters yeah the best fighters I think you're right because first of all eight legs you're like why the fuck do you have any legs what's going on there the fact that it's such an absurd design as in it's this blob in the middle and then all the eight legs come around it and you're just like that's that's some alien shit right there and then the fact that they're they're dark creatures and they move fast and they stick to corners you're just like mmm and they curl up walls you know that's a kind of yeah and they're fast as well in their own sort of you know in relation to their size I guess and it's a whole idea of like you know ants are not very scary because they're small but ants close up a terrifying oh yeah I remember honey I shrunk the kids man they at one point right and there's a reason why she lob you know it's just like a big version of a scary thing already you know like just it is scary spiders are scary animals Mola doesn't like dark creatures was only a matter of time until the truth came out yep I should have said I just hate black creatures that would have gone over better funny I was I always tell this story about like I just like telling people that platypus are incredibly dangerous because you know platypus is a really cool nifty looking animals you know I platypus cute and then you find out that platypus has have pincers that are so venomous that if you're stung the pain is so intense that morphine will not relieve it for like four months as well oh oh no is that the kind of thing then that you say you were stung in the arm people would opt to have it chopped off or well your arm is gonna balloon your arm is basically never gonna work again that's how powerful the venom or I'm not sure if it's venom or if it's like a toxin but yeah if you see a platypus and it seems you're you're in a lot of trouble more so than if you got stung by a snake or bitten by a snake rather like you'd actually be better off like a brown snake will kill you like a platypus isn't going to kill you but poison there are no anti-venoms for platypus stings so if you ever see one don't touch it if I ever see one I promise you I will not touch it just for you Fringy if I ever come across a ever come across a platypus nope well platypuses are actually really oh my favorite part about platypus is they are they are the chattest animals in the animal kingdom like platypuses are very territorial like kill basically any man that comes into their domain and so platypus is are women outnumber platypus is 10 to one so there are no incels in the platypus world me you know all platypus is of the chads and they're getting all the stasis and more than one like how stasis is just the word to describe like attractive woman you're a stasis and then it's so funny the carrot is what it is I don't know I wonder if they got to change the name of our suit lady in spider-man she's called well she wasn't even she wasn't even in far from home was she so she wasn't cause I guess they could cause it was Jennifer Connolly that's probably like an expensive voice role to get you also got didn't didn't hear talk to did you talk to Friday at all you talk to our Edith Edith yeah as human like is Karen anyway where will we yeah back I'm back now right so yeah we're talking about I was just finishing talking about season for and how I started taking screenwriting and plot devices seriously and thematic unity yes yes exactly and so when I was doing a fifth season I was really heavily inspired by not just breaking bad but the sopranos and Dexter and there's a bunch of like serialized shows I was super into and I realized I was so compelled by them because they were serialized and I was just like wow what happens next I got to watch the next one because like for the most part before that I was just watching shows where everything resets by the end of the episode and it's it's that's okay well I remember do you remember the family guy episode where he loses his job wherever it is and then at the end they comment on it like isn't aren't things supposed to feel kind of normal at the end of I think if they say at the end of a day to try to you know they're trying to be meta and it's like but you didn't get your job back and he's like yeah I didn't yeah it's like I think I know I know the exact episode you're talking about yeah that's funny I like that because at the same time you conversely Mr Burns loses all his money in an episode becomes like a humanitarian and then goes back to being an evil billionaire in 20 minutes like they right put him on a huge arc all it takes place in that amount of time and it's just like yep gotta get back to the level and the benefit of that is you can watch all of them out of order then you can just be like yeah whatever this all makes sense soul following but if you do serialize and you're like whoa don't spoil it for me and I got a start episode one yes there's pros and cons definitely to both but I found myself much more compelled by the serialized format of whenever whenever it would cut to credits it's like oh god I gotta what put on the next one and I wanted to I wanted to have that feeling for my show I wanted to see if I could do it you know I just I wanted to challenge myself with a new kind of format and and then I I decided okay I got to build this season around one big event and then you know of like I said before also the fact that the wedding episode in season three was a fan favorite and so I was like okay well what if I do a wedding again but just on a bigger scale and the whole season would revolve around it and build up to it and it started with like a flash forward so I was experimenting with non-linear storytelling for the first time my god which which I really liked as well he's doing both sort of like yeah flash forward back yeah exactly but not necessarily just like flashing forward in the cold open like I was also just like the idea of just jumping around in the story like at any point but there's like there being a purpose to it we've seen prestige yes that is yeah I love I like on the first watch through many people can be utterly confused cause they're like you jump from three different timelines in different pieces and you get flashbacks and forwards and characters remembering or you know recanting or even predicting there's a lot to absorb and keep track of yes yeah it's a bit of a confusing watch the first time I saw it yeah but I remember I liked it a lot and I didn't I didn't do a lot of that in my show like the the jumping around that I would do was just basically at the beginning of some episodes I would do a flash forward as like a cold open and then I would jump back to the present for beginning of Act 1 that's when I kind of changed my formula up a bit as well so like I would have a teaser and then Act 1 Act 2 Act 3 for each episode and so I did season 5 and I had yeah the villain was Trent who isn't a very good villain I don't think in retrospect he's not very well flashed out he's a bit of an everyman bad guy he seems like a very normal bad person yes so I didn't put that much thought into the antagonist side of it it's so funny how that happens with a lot of stories as they progress the it all you could argue it starts out rocky and then the protagonists assorted the structure is sorted and it's like oh shit what about villains if you look at the MCU villains were weak for a very long time they still haven't necessarily fixed it yet because yes I agree most people would agree that you got Vulture Thanos Zemo Zemo look like he but low low key yeah villain anymore you know he's almost transitions out of that role and like basically everyone's favorites are all from like you know the the the the late teens onwards in terms of the amount of films that have come out it's insane it's just a yeah because they what they used to do and this is a trope that people pick on but it's kind of just true if you watch it they take the hero and they make a version of them that's just evil that's usually what they end up fighting is like Iron Man fights the bigger Iron Man Thor fights his evil Norse brother Hulk fights bigger Hulk yeah and it's even an Iron Man too it's like he's fighting because he's in an Iron Man suit with whips whiplash and he's like I don't care this is like just be him you have to go back to when like the earlier superhero movies like the only good villain I can really think of is Doc Ock from Spider-man to Magneto is another good one yeah Magneto yeah they had lots to work with Magneto from the comics it's just such a thorough character I'd say in terms of motivations is very very clear you could very much build him up you know Green Goblin was campiest fucking Spider-man one but I still think he was yeah strong compared to a lot of early MCU villains yeah wow yeah I mean Green Goblin's better than yeah he's something of a villain himself ah Red Skull oof yeah okay you got me there it's like that's not Captain America but evil it's like what kind of is because he's he's he's got all the super soldier benefits doesn't he America yeah actually sorry I'm wrong he is Captain America but evil he has all he had the serum and it went wrong it gave him all of the abilities but it made him look ugly that was the point it's like oh no all right so yeah it applies to all of them um and then of course Avengers isn't is again we're we're relying on because Loki was the only one out of the early ones people were like he's kind of cool like look he's a character you know right it was um uh what was his name Killian yeah oh god oh one of the worst Killian you did you did and then we got you didn't talk to me he's the exactly he's the one who um wanted to talk to Iron Man and he was like Tony meet me on the roof and well he says like I'll meet you on the roof and then he doesn't show up and he's hated in ever since I pierce yeah he missed an appointment and he hates him and it makes even worse what it's like why have you captured Gwyneth Paltry of Pepperpots why oh I'm your trophy aren't I and he's like yeah it's just like oh my god and this is so far into the MCU it's like guys and you'd think to yourself maybe it's like oh maybe the folks on other stuff it's like no they had a really good villain in the palm of their hand in that film that they ruined and it's people people are often like oh you're obsessed with the comics if you wanted the other bad sorry Mandarin and I'm like I didn't read the comics I liked like I like Ben Kingsley I like the concept of a character that's using magic who probably doesn't believe in magic let alone uses it whatsoever it's like this is great yeah I have issues with Iron Man 3 just and then we have after that we had um the gob I'll wait no it was the L that's right the the the what's his name Maliketh Maliketh I think yeah Maliketh great name to know what happened yeah and then I tell you you name your villain it's gotta be mal something deliciousness man the level and malice is the last and then uh and then it was Robert Redford's guy and winter soldier he was alright is alright yeah and then uh and then we had um Ronan who's yeah just evil bad that was that was the biggest criticism of Guardians of Galaxy one is like your bad guy is just bad guy like yeah yeah yeah he had scary makeup that was his character and that's yeah I guess that's what I'm getting that it's like a lot of the time when you when someone's trying to fix up everything they'll be like ah the villain can just you know be the obstacle and it's like nah the villain needs to be a character make him a character make him someone they're the protagonist of their story I don't think it's any surprise that the strongest films in the MCU have the strongest of villains Vulture Thanos Zemo they're all really good foils remember Ultron yeah well we're about to get the Ultron evil Iron Man sort of except he forgets that he's uploaded himself into the internet so he's able to be defeated I wish he was evil Iron Man like they could have worked with that make him just you know have the same values but I guess corrupt them into eviltisms I think that's what they wanted to do it just didn't really play out No it did not no then he decided I'm going to drop a meteor on Earth and I'm not going to hedge my bets I'm not going to put even one robot like in I don't know Russia somewhere so that I can upload myself to the internet again at any point God that is insanely stupid he's I don't know about you but if I had robot horcruxes around I would they just be all over the place I would net you'd never know not only would I send one to like every single country everywhere I would also put several in caves distant caves like just like stay there wait until I call you you know Ultron seems to forget that he is all of the robots so he has one badass Ultron and then he never creates a bunch of other pretty good Ultrons to why did he just he also destroyed one of himself he destroyed just to be like lol Black Widow you spooked it's like what are you what are you doing that's a value why does he create so many crappy all like he would be better off just making six or seven really good Ultrons like because I mean you kill Black Widow pretty easily if you just had one really good off why did you kill Black Widow oh yeah he wanted her to see his work he's lonely so he didn't kill his main enemy just to take her back so that she could see his work what a stupid character that's a shame that movie didn't work because like to be honest I I kind of liked how Ultron like because he was built by Stark he became this amalgamation of all the worst parts of his personality see that is what I want and I just don't think they managed to get there like no it wasn't executed that way you have like the scene where he lands and he's like ah kid you're going to give your father a you're going to make me cry or something like that it's like oh right that's what they're going for that he's almost like a father to Ultron and the Ultron hat and it's like what ah so much potential why why couldn't why right yeah like evil evil robot that Tony Stark makes to save the world who has a walked perception of how to save the world is that's cool idea but and I mean it's almost unfair I kind of feel bad for just waiting he's has two movies that people shit on him for that a lot of he had no control over someone's calling this out in chat did you guys forget that vision use the mindstone to lock him into his body when you're misrepresenting the film yeah so we think that's extremely stupid extremely how do you even do this how do you lock someone Ultron if you if you transfer Ultron to a USB right and then that's it and then the vision does his thing has vision prevented the USB's copy of vision of Ultron to get back onto the internet are you kidding me no like stupid how is how could you possibly pull Ultron out of the internet that doesn't make any saids and also does that mean that Ultron has been cancelled because of his Ultron he has like a Wi-Fi router in each of the robots of something like even that though transfer him to a hard drive disconnect it from the internet and then vision does his thing it wouldn't have affected that hard drive now would it also whoever said that they had to destroy all the robots because none of them could leave yeah they left they could get back onto the internet your argument is wrong you should feel bad yeah but like like I said I'm I'm still hold on this point here Ultron uploads himself to the internet he then infects himself into every piece of technology that was ever connected to the internet now with how much every human is pulling out and putting in usb is Ultron is still out there he is still he's waiting he's waiting for that guy to put that usb into watch Pirates the Caribbean 3 again and it's going to jump right onto the internet and spread everywhere all over again it's basically yeah it's never going away Ultron is like yeah he's he's he's they said I don't know how the stove works that's just how it works like bullshit you can't just say that's how it fucking works the internet I like the mind stove is compatible with like usb c I guess like the it was it was over the second they said he got into the internet it was over I would you can't you just can't you have you have to like one robot get away and then have it be but we need to come they should have said something along the lines of only this consciousness or something like that right so you couldn't just be like oh yeah he's got a YouTube account now it's just what it's such a stupid movie yeah but I want to I want to clarify that's not like our only issue with that film is this and I'm someone I'm a big fan of Joss Whedon's work and I really like the Avengers and I like the MCU but God damn that movie has so many writing problems holy shit and it's just a matter the film is a stepping stone and that's why it got destroyed it was supposed to set up a whole bunch of other movies Civil War is a much easier film to view as like Avengers God yes that's the real of Edges too I like to think so that probably should have been the end of our phase two if it was like a really good second act low point you know like the end of phase two that was that was Captain America right like Captain America movies right the best one and the best movie in the mcu right and we will kill people who say otherwise John do you have a favorite favorite Marvel movie are you not really into them no I love them man I mean yeah that's a bunch of shallow villains but like I mean I've always been a big comic book fan I grew up watching last Spider-Man the animated series and X-Man and shit no that's X-Man yes yeah yeah that's yeah that's what was yeah so so I get a child is joy from watching those movies as flawed as they are I really enjoyed infinity war yeah yeah yeah yeah was like good that movie felt so big in scope I was just like wow this is this felt like an event you know what do you think event game not as good as infinity war but I thought it was fun it's a fun that's that's a kind of thing to say time he's romp yeah it is enjoyable I are I think um it seems like the unpopular opinion is infinity war is better but I firmly believe infinity war is better than I don't even really think it's a competition I feel like it's I don't think it's competition infinity war the main problems with infinity war are the are the stones the stone problem is the same in end game but well is are not much makes any sense in end game at all there's there's countless things that we did a whole podcast on it it's lots of things that don't make sense filter sprinkle that in with just a a much much weaker villain yeah Thanos was pretty awesome in a infinity war in an end game he's a lot more like Ronan it's a it's a bizarre decision that they made to to instead instead of carrying on with Thanos that we had to get a totally new thing and I see the room and Neville I destroy the room it's just and I think infinity war has this break neck pace like it really feels like everything is racing towards they are and ending yeah they are it's very it's for all the stuff that's going on and all the characters that they're juggling it doesn't feel like it's funky and overly full and overfilled no it's um it really it really every time that there's a massive like crescendo and and what's happening it it slows down for a little bit so it's a focus on the characters and then there's a nice big action like another leaf again and I mean it I guess that the funny thing is right like the real big battle is the Wakanda battle but I'm much more invested in the in the Titan on his own planet yeah that one's where the real battle is happening Wakanda ones weird and well with the my sister and a boyfriend of one of the near Christmas as I can't remember and she's like the most normie of normie ever people watching movies loves more stuff the second they were like open the barrier at the front she went what I was like it's like she was like what even who cares if they come in from behind just just what to deal with them spread out and get them yeah like why hold them on yourselves that decision does frustrating in retrospect why why do you charge the big dogs and fight them melee when that's their only method of attack and you could choose range of tax please choose like I feel like these people don't realize that you don't in World War One charging the enemy liner when there are a bunch of machine guns was highly effective highly inefficient strategy like you couldn't learn roughly I learned very quickly that it didn't work and I know the ultimate logic of being like we'll convince these mindless dogs to all come through that one opening instead of going around it's like you don't even know that that's going to happen they could still go around and wouldn't it make more sense to open it and close like it doesn't make sense absolutely if you are going to open it open it and then close it and then open it again don't let them all in at once yeah why would you let them all in like then you got like you got black pet that like open the fan here and then even the woman's like I'm dude she's like what like a really stupid idea like yeah open the barrier nice they would have made for really fucking awkward and clunky action scene but it's like open the barrier at A and then B and then C and close them all behind each other as well just so they walk through and then get cut off just confused the shit out of the enemies opening the barriers different places and closing them immediately after just fuck with them I guess I guess the funny thing is everybody wants their charge because Lord of the rings had their charge and it was awesome but they forget that this is a science fiction universe where you have ranged weapons and air support Oh my God and how is there a really bad idea how much in battle woman do the people with guns run towards their targets yeah that happens all the time in john wicks so you're a battleman in the end oh yeah john wick as well yeah that's yeah the second and third is I have a gun I'd better try to stab them with the with my gun with my gun a possum you know we were all possums at some point we're gradually making it through the seasons that is the plan now that is officially the structure is that okay what we're doing Oh absolutely yeah we we're doing three acts we're halfway through act two maybe we're gonna hit a low point soon Oh we were talking about villains that's how we got onto this right right so you were more interested in trying to I guess move on build your villains a bit differently yeah although it took me a while to learn that lesson like even with season six I still hadn't learned at that point how to flesh out a villain well be honest with you like because like a caricature these are all like impressions I got when I was watching I think what's your favorite season for me would you say um the interesting thing is I think I really enjoy season six I think season six has a few plot holes when it comes to like the whole Frag Band there are a couple instances where like the Frag Band doesn't work necessarily in the way that but despite that I really like I like what season six is about and I like where the characters go in that season um though admittedly I also pretty fond of season seven but it's it's you know it's the dark season well yeah it get yeah that was going to be my take basically it's like I always remember 11 season six and seven seven was question box and I was like huh and I rewatched them I was like oh no I love both season six and seven seven was question box so I was like holy fuck like season season seven man it's it's as dramatic as as some other TV shows I've seen have a dark season the the like we're going to get some real shit happening but um yeah season six I just remembered being a lot more engaged because of the fact that our villains had they weren't just main leader and then subordinate people the fact that they had names the fact that they had dialogue that made them individual from each other I was already like ooh this is more because it's not just R.B. chief and then some guy which again right can work it's just that now we've got big Arbiter guy who's kind of mysterious curt with people and also the leader not entirely sure of his motivations yet femme fatal obviously that's a bit of an archetype then yeah guy who almost is on par with chief felt like attitude with the I was just like this is interesting yeah I understand these full people with the average road being like the most print the dude who's just this complete asshole to women it's like yeah not being the one who's actually the principle one who's like he doesn't know actually I actually just didn't like tosses like no I don't want to take down the network I like video games which felt very much like that would be a thing in real life someone could potentially join up to for one reason and then they're like woes is getting a bit out of hand actually right yeah defector and and plus I think Adam everybody likes at well I said like they like the character that yeah appreciate the story yeah he plays a role in the story yeah yeah what I personally liked about season six is that they're all dispatched in an ironic way by the end right and I I had I had planned that out really far in advance so um the order was that um Adam got taken out basically because of his own his attitude his lifestyle it killed him basically yes yeah in a way they all kind of led to their own demise yeah and then I think it was Duncan was the Duncan got taken out by Kylie got taken out by the girl that he was constantly being like oh girls can't play video games this shit the misogynist who's out smarted by a woman yeah the child who's uh arrested or disciplined by his mom and arrested and then uh I'll like chief out smodding yeah yeah right with hologram that was awesome hahaha yeah hahaha you know what's good so this is actually the reverse what I was talking about earlier right so mechanically the game can hamper you and you also have distractions like for example how frag banning may or may not work but um when you get a payoff that's entirely within the game's mechanics it like it blows up in the in the view as experienced I imagine there's like oh shit it wasn't fucking all grab right yes yeah I enjoy it like taking certain mechanics like people are familiar with how the game works obviously a lot of fans of the show and when I incorporate exactly how something works in the game into the show and it's used in the plot in some way I think that's people really appreciate that and I certainly do I mean that you got to have a load of halo fans in your audience so they're all going to be looking out for references and and instead of created fantasy mechanics for your story like mechanics that are not only for the story but actually mechanics is like oh they'll easily get more endeared to it because I mean it's very relatable you know it's one of those things where I'm I'm not familiar with the show really but even when you talk about um uh where was it us we were talking about esports earlier yeah and I was saying that it's very relatable thing that's something they feel they can go and do so in a show like this I can imagine people like oh yeah he did a thing that I could do so that's uh that you can they use people to it and not only like is it a mechanical payoff just having chief out smart someone who's quite intelligent mechanically it's just like whole out smart them basically by like like leaning into the fact that he's an idiot it's believable that he would walk in like just walk straight out to the open just like oh hey Arvin and what's up don't mind me standing here in the open yeah around season five and six is when I started making my own music for the show too and I don't like your tunes by the way oh thank you they are pretty sweet I think I got shit he said shit I was had to pay I was about to say schmick but then I schmick my you're too is the pretty schmick man I think a lot of them are like in season five that I used aren't that good like I I got better at it as the years went by and I it's something I really enjoyed like I love kind of dicking around in FL studio that's what I use and using just since synthesizers and I got some kick packs and snares and I I'll do that for hours I thought of that's not doesn't even feel like worked to me whatever it's worth Arvin the chief theme is in my head and it probably will be till I'm dead but yeah so I started using my own music cause there's a good thing too with all the fucking copyright oh yeah claims and flags and tracks that I bought years ago are getting like flagged now by fucking vaguely named media conglomerates you know it's just like you claim by such and such organization I'm like what the fuck is that there's just some kind of vague conglomerate yeah I've had some pretty interesting run-ins with these weird companies that do that it's like its own industry of this stuff and it's terrible shit well yeah what's going on with metal seems to be that his job wick video was taken down by someone who's not connected to job wick by the looks of things already like that is some kind of weird this is this is just a theory right I don't know if this is actually a thing but if you have a bot that searches for clips from movies from channels that aren't big enough to be able to defend themselves like literally like zero to a hundred and then you file a false copyright strike against them and then you email them saying it's fine if you pay me be fee for using the copyright you're you know I'll let the strike go and then if he was charged I think 200 or 300 dollars it's like what huh it's like yeah didn't trust that shit at all and it's like I think people are manipulating the system and when you've got channels that are so I was I was a young small or young I guess that applies the there's not a lot of things that can do to hell because they can't even contact the creator support thing and they're not exactly that helpful most of the time right it's the nightmare dealing with that stuff that's why I mean you hear it all the time no YouTuber says YouTube's great you know what we got so it's like yeah this system is so broken yeah I got tired with copyright claims I was just like fuck you I'll make my own music then I'll just get good at that too you know what do you use to make music like what program FL studio with a bunch of FL studio pretty looks yeah pretty looks yeah that sounds like something right off my alley it's kind of yeah I wouldn't be that was my that was my stage name back in the day yeah it's it's like the most noob friendly sync sequencer that you can get you know good yeah I thought about it too for the same reason basically I don't want to pay for licenses and I don't want to get into trouble if I wanted to use like a like music because even if you pay for a license it can still get picked up by a copyright system if it's yours there's no argument right yeah so so I started making my own music is a bit rough at the start but there's some catchy stuff I made I think for season five although in the episode one there's this really obnoxious sounding track that I fucking hate one thing I noticed on rewatching sometimes feels a little loud that's all balance wise I don't know if because I end up moving the volume myself like all right got music is swell like I'm going to knock it down a little bit Oh are you just talking about the music or like the whole mixing in general um I guess it would be a mixing critique I suppose right because what I'm talking about is music does usually swell that makes sense but um not to the point where I've got it at a volume where I can hear the characters perfectly well and then whenever the music swells I'm like holy shit I need to go back down a bit yeah that but that's tough music learning process for me sound balancing you know we've covered like a thousand videos on e-fap sound balancing is something that everybody has trouble with you know definitively it's pretty hard to balance thing eventually I I have a system that I think kind of works like I have and I have my dialogue peak at around negative three decibels music is like negative six if there's nobody talking but if there is dialogue then it's negative 12 negative 15 maybe 18 um yeah so like I have a whole system now that took a lot of tweaking to figure that out you know and for for a long time audio side of things until I went to film school and I kind of realized like oh this is 50% of the experience I should probably be paying more attention to this it's weird sound design is like that weird under appreciate editing way you notice when it's bad but you never notice when it's good yeah a lot of a lot of great editing works that way as well yeah right yeah I mean you think about video games like they'll like battlefield tends to get a lot of praise for its sound but I don't see a lot of other games getting praise for their sound design even though it's really tough and difficult and that takes a lot of work to do that yeah um I agree and it's still today I watch it on YouTube and I fucking hate people not balancing your audio properly you're telling me man you're telling me oh yeah and the funny thing is this is high commercials are fucking super loud yeah and then the actual content is like way adjusting the volume that really annoys me have you used the premiere function they have a little two minute intro that's absurdly loud it's like 10 billion times louder than anything on YouTube I don't know why I don't know why they did it that way oh oh on YouTube though oh yeah the video premiere thing is like the two minute counter everybody has to either like cause I didn't want to one time I didn't want to mute it and I was like I was like lower and I was like I think I have actually like I need the volume slider to be bigger because I can't get it to be able to zoom into the volume yeah like I I don't want it to be nil but I also don't want it to blow off my ears I was like why do I not have the option yeah that's yeah it's it's it's dumb I hate having to constantly fucking adjust my volume setting on my device or whatever it's funny I don't know if you guys feel this way or chat but a lot of big production stuff and watch show on a TV they often a big productions are often so you might have to turn the volume down just a little bit when it goes back to dialogue like Oh got a crank it back up like because sometimes the bouncing is fucked like I don't experience this much with them guess I was mostly mainstream movies but it's like well though it I guess like I don't come over last time I had to do that for like an MCU movie or even Star Wars but I generally have like an industry standard yeah at that because they're professional audio engineers they know it doesn't it doesn't really matter I think it could have been life the the alien movie I remember that was one of the this is still a while ago but just I had my hand on the controller because every time I actually started up I was like right back down I could still I like to understand man you know professional audio industry professional audio industry in these movies and then you're like oh this recent movie that just came out you know I just keep readjusting my audio because it was getting loud and quiet yeah I hate when the music in a movie is mixed too low I remember I watched the movie Bumblebee and I'm like God the music is so fucking quiet and it's actually not bad so like it's it's such a shame like so obviously a lot of effort went into the orchestral score for that and it's it's so quiet a lot of movies lately that it's it's hard to kind of weird it feels like with a lot of movies people don't talk about the score and it's because the score is often really quiet and you don't get to take it in and I don't think it's a surprise like the John Wick every time there's a club scene shoot out everybody remembers the song because you can actually hear it it's at the floor front and it usually matches the action too which is always going to be a plus I think I think that's probably the reason why video games soundtracks tend to catch on is because they're always at the forefront words with film scores depending on the movie you know there's a reason why people remember the charge in in Lord of the Rings just because the music's playing always theme it's going to plays really loudly yes have music at the forefront for for people to hear it you know I think that's important to making it stand out and be memorable totally yeah I mean crank it up it's like what are you doing yeah exactly it's so it's makes such a difference music like that's always one of the first things I notice in movies and I see it talked about the least I think yeah music like scores are helpful oh wait no but what's what's the thing that people say more the music is insistence insist upon itself so yeah we covered the the latest vision that I think is Ralph the moviemaker he said the joke is by it happening if it's if it's inconsistent with the scene it becomes really a problem but I mean I think it was yeah I think Ralph the moviemaker said in 1917 the music was insistent it was telling you how to feel it's like that was a that was why now I think there's why now oh well I just yeah I disagree on that one because like I think and I think the example is the trench scene right when the music swells up but I really like the song and I really like it in that scene and plus so what there are other times where the music was like kind of incredible like the scene where they in the in the destroyed town at night and the and the flares were all shooting up that was like that was that was that was amazing like I was actually flawed by that scene when I watched it I like my good music you know what can I say maybe it's just I think I watched video games I rewatched 1917 when my dad yesterday yeah so this is a he's he's a guy who like loves all films and he loved 1917 by the way and I'm I'm the kind of person who's like I'm not even going to point things out that I think of wrong or right the one thing I did but I was I was I was like you know some other doing with the camera he was like no I was like okay right it's like he doesn't cut yet he's like ooh but um oh my God he was like me in the movie it was crazy he was he was like wait why did the thing explode in the in the trench I was like oh there was it was a trip wire and he was like how did that go off they saw it did they and I was like yeah it was it was the rat it fell off the thing and the rat he was like oh isn't that inconvenient I was like brushing off on him yeah I was just like okay but then he was like oh they're having a dog fight oh they happen to land exactly where our heroes are and I was like I mean and then funnily enough he was just like why aren't they killing him they should kill him he'd they have to kill him and I was like well I it's like you know you know how it is he's like I was like he's a young dude he's he's looking out for his fellow man but he was he got stabbed he was like I knew it they should have killed him I was having so much fun with it because the you know he's getting chased and he he runs and he like kicks open a wooden thing and gets in there and he ends up in yeah yeah my dad was like oh he better keep running and I was like what do you mean he was like well the guys right behind him I was like no he he like slipped over or whatever and he was like well he didn't see him go into the thing and I was like he was like yeah he was just like well where else would he have gone that was like the obvious place and I was like Mollie you're ruining film criticism the Mollie Mollie's dad is ruining film not yeah it was funny when she's like he needs milk or whatever my dad was like oh of course it was good shit but the thing is he loved the movie he thought it was fantastic and I was like yeah that is an accurate perspective to have on 1970 that's the correct opinion though I guess saying it's better than saving private right and that's the that's the oh that's actually one thing he did say he was like it was really good not as good as saving private right it's kind of hard so it's hot today very hard yes as war films go talking about this raised a couple of points that are really important that I learned in my journey of like you know writing and making movies and stuff and studying movies is setting setting things up as early as possible whenever you have an opportunity like when you were bringing up the rat setting off the trip wire it is convenient that the rat is there to set off the trap but I think right at the beginning that of that scene the rat is set up yeah they come in and then they're like oh Jesus look at the size of that rat and then it kind of leaves the frame and you don't see it for a little bit and then they kind of navigate the room and then at the very end the rat comes back and then sets off the trap and of course there is some logic to them they would disturb it right them being there would make the rat want to move right exactly so this little thing it's little setups and payoffs like that I really dig in movies and also complicated yeah and there's a point about music that I wanted to what one of the biggest things I learned is that story dictates everything like every aspect of production well of course it's the foundation right right exactly the the theme and the story just kind of holds everything together and it dictates how everything should be done and every specific department including music right so there's certain movies where but big bombastic score is called for maybe something like Star Wars right but there's certain movies it was one of the planet of the apes movies where it has a great score but the music is telling me who to root for at certain parts of the movie and in a movie like that it loses some of its integrity because I think what's great about planet of the apes is the moral ambiguity sure and it's like it's not necessarily that the monkey's good humans bad but that's what the that's what the music is telling you a lot of the time and I right now would be the instance of insistent music where it's almost telling you what you're meant to think yeah trying to trick you well we've got a great example of this do we not Mr. Rags well I'm free have you seen Mandalorian John yes I did so they only did one season so far right yeah so when I saw that when the click come in on the distress signal that has been moved and planted onto a random space station and they obliterate the thing they just come in and shoot and the music is very happy about this it's like woohoo we did it guys yeah and it's just like what the fuck you got this is this is beyond fucked up but it's just like no no it's okay they're the good guys they shot the bad guys you're like right well it's that's actually interesting music can drastically change we are the I think a great example is now I I always sing the praises of Call of Duty World War because I think it's really good and you compare it to like Call of Duty World War 2 like World at War the menu music is this really ominous kind of creepy like it's it's really yeah it's really off-putting and it sets the tone like fantastically for a war story that's like yeah glamorous when you're like participating in it it's pretty shit actually and then you compare it to you know well like I like the soundtrack in Call of Duty World War 2 but it totally changes the tone it's all this like standard heroic you know boom boom boom like trumpet stuff and because of the music and in part because of like the actual game itself they have these totally disparate tones and like one is really unique and interesting and one is very generic and it's almost I'm not sure if the music is the microcosm of what it's trying to be or if the music almost informs the way that you feel about it I'm not sure if it's like chicken or egg when it comes to our music in that way right really complicated to balance though because if going back to Ralph with the violins if he was like I already understand the tone of the scene I don't need the music to tell me that this is the tone of the scene well we've because we can't necessarily say that's absolutely the wrong take if we're going to simultaneously argue that music can actually tell you the wrong tone of a of a thing and that's a problem and it's like so music has to reinforce a tone it can't make a point and it's like hmm like can can the tone be off in order to try and provide you an alternate perspective as in just to finish so the with the Mandalorian could it be that the show is trying to make a point that the Republic see themselves as the good guys and the music is reflecting that for that scene and if they went on to condemn them or to provide an alternate perspective we could actually possibly make that argument but they never do because I actually think it's an accident I think the people who made the show were like but this is a good thing to do isn't it and it's like no it is the idea of like how the music kind of informs what's happened this now I'm thinking about Halo like the whole idea of a lot of the music in Halo was like this sort of mystical almost like magical elements to everything that's you know like anything that has to do with like the for runners and the things that they made always has this mystical kind of or and it's interesting to think like do we feel that way about the for runners because of the music or was it the music informed by what they were trying to do you know which one created the tone that influenced the other is um it's hard to know I think I think it's really hard to identify but it is kind of clear when music has been used effectively or ineffectively like um like when a scene shouldn't have music that's really obvious you know saving private rhyme would have been made much worse if they had music during the Omaha Beach sequence it was it was great to have it be totally diagetic Well do you remember um this is a specific reference uh bringing in when the two like lamest fighter characters in Buffy accidentally meet up and battle and they play the standard track for battling like dramatic and serious oh yeah yeah and it's it's fucking hilarious because they can't they just slap each other basically but the show treats it as though it's serious of that you know you you understand immediately that's funny and that's what I mean about like how you really got to be specific about how you you're criticizing something being misplaced or not because uh I guess that would be the example where it's intentional while with Mandalorian it was fucking accident yeah yeah I think in those situations and outsiders perspective can really help like if you're if you spent years working on a movie you kind of get tunnel vision and then you get a score made for it and you're in the odd like the sound testing room and you're just like yeah that sounds great you're not really looking at it from the perspective of an audience member where you're going like you know this I feel like this would be seen this scene would be more powerful without music sometimes less more it's almost like you've viewed the music in isolation and so you hear the song and the song is good but it's almost like you're not hearing it in relation to how it plays in the scene and whether or not it's even useful to have well it's funny because this reflects YouTube videos actually say for example you're making a video about um how important it is the luke uh did what he did for vader and you're speaking very softly and carefully about how meaningful this is and how it sets up and then in the background you've got the cantina music playing because you're like oh Star Wars music like dude it's it's just doesn't match doesn't match at all yes totally can you imagine having like while Darth Vader is fighting luke on the death star again sounds like we're describing a sketch like that would be a sketch and the star walls thing you'll be funny you know the emperor turns the radio off he's like oh sorry for that Yeah so uh music crucial but sometimes sometimes you don't need it. And of course, of course, definitely. Yeah, sometimes silence can be deafening, as they say. Yes, no matter how high quality or sophisticated or great sounding the score is sometimes less is more. Sometimes it just doesn't work for the movie or the scene or whatever. And that's why, you know, the story dictates everything. And so yeah, I can we move on? Does anybody want to say anything more about music? Or no good. Okay. Okay. So where were we with my thing? We were talking about season six. Yeah, I started making music for it. Right. And so I moved on to season six. And I thought, well, throughout making season five, people were getting really impatient with me, because I had set up this wedding crash in a flash forward, right? And and then all the episodes that followed were kind of a lead up to that same moment in time. And then I had so many comments were just like, get on with it, move on to the thing. This is all filler bullshit. And I was like, you know, just wait for it, just wait for it, it'll be worth it. And I think the finale for season five, I think is is a fan favorite now, people really appreciate how it paid off for the most part. And I'm really happy with the way it turned out. And I think there's there's a good message in there about being the good that you want to see in the world. Yeah, there's a line of dialogue that kind of reflects that. And I don't know if I planned that out really from the beginning, but it just kind of came out organically in the process of writing that finale. And I thought it, it worked. And this raises an interesting point about when I started doing the latter half, like the five season five, six, seven, and I'm planning out things way ahead of time. And I'm already at the very beginning, I'm thinking like, okay, how does this villain ultimately, what's his downfall? What is it that leads to his downfall? And then that raises a really interesting argument between archetype versus propaganda. And it's like, if you've already made up your mind about something, like, are you approaching that organically? Or are you just forcing your perspective on how life is? You know what I mean? Like, there's an argument to be made, like, maybe I shouldn't be planning things so far in advance, maybe I should just start with a bunch of characters and, and an opening scene, and then just work my way completely organically to the finish line. And however it manifests in person versus plotting idea, the idea of should you plan out your story's plot points in advance, with a clear end in mind? Or do you want to like, or do you or would you rather approach it from the perspective of I start and then I just go and wherever the characters lead me as the ending that I man, or do you just let let the characters lead you there? I personally think plotting is better. Yes, that's what I think. Right. I try really hard not to be propagandistic in my writing. Although I do. I when I'm starting a season, I think in like, what are the tentpole moments of this season? Right? Like I think about the four key beats, like where the act breaks are in the whole season, right? So like this is where the season starts. This is like the break in Act two, the break in Act three, and then the end. Those are like the four tentpole moments, right? And I'm thinking what are those before I even start writing any episodes? And because I need I feel like I need a track to follow. I just think you need to end at the very least, I think you need to know where it ends before you can write. Like, I don't see how I don't see how something Oh, well, when it comes to knowing how it Jiminy Christmas, I don't know. Like, I guess, I guess part of the thing is, and this is kind of like my perspective on when I hear people talk about the whole the craft of writing, I think, I think a lot of people under appreciate that writing is very much like any other creative enterprise like art or video game development. Well, I mean, it predates a lot of these things. And the whole idea that it's not like you just you don't just shit something out onto a page, and then it's somehow like some inspired, fantastic thing. Like there is a logic to stories. And so in order to get the payoffs that you want, you need to think about what you want to achieve and the best way to achieve it. And you're not going to do that. I don't think if you're just you might be able to There are people there are people who can do it more than likely Stephen King is a is a he doesn't plot. He doesn't do well. He's also known for terrible endings. So well, I guess, right, I guess, I guess it's just the whole thing of I don't see that you can I don't see that a plot outline can ever really be detrimental to the story that you're trying to tell. Because all you're trying to do is know where you need to go. And if you know where you need to go, you kind of know what you need to do to set it up. In the same way that like, if you want to drive to a certain location, knowing where you're going is going to be really helpful in finding the best ways to get there. You're going to find the fastest route unless you're like, let's just go south and see if we stumble across the place that we kind of think we might want to go, you know, here. Yeah. So I always I started thinking about the end. Right from the beginning, with like my my long form seasons, because it just felt too risky to just like, start just from the beginning and then just go organically and whatever happens happens because I think the likelihood that it's all going to fall apart by the end is very high. Yeah, I think you can write yourself into a corner big time. Like, yes. And you don't want to be having that happen when you're part way through like the production of something like, oh, shit. Oh, shit, you know, exactly. Yeah, that's that's a terrifying place to be. And I really didn't want to be in that spot. So I always thought very carefully about with the trajectory of the whole season, not not didn't have all the details flashed out, obviously. But so I would get those tentpole moments throughout a season, right? And then I would fill in, like, just quick summaries of what each scene is. Right. So this scene, this scene, this scene, this scene leads into that one. And then we get to the first tentpole. And then keep going. And then you just fill in all the blanks. And then you look at what you're left with and you just kind of comb through it backwards and forwards and make sure it's all it seems like it's written organically, even though you kind of thought about it from the very beginning about the whole trajectory of the thing. And you try and get rid of any parts that seem forced, where you're trying to force an outcome. Yeah, it's like, okay, this part needs work. So you'll take that scene out. Or maybe you'll flesh it out with maybe two or three additional scenes to make it more organic. So it's just you just make it comb and comb through it back and forth, make it as smooth as possible. And then once I have, yeah. And once I have that rough outline of the whole season, then at that point, that's when I started writing individual episodes. And that was a very, that was very comforting for me to have that track. And I didn't necessarily have to like adhere to that. Like it could change on the way. But I needed to have I needed to go in with a with a game plan. I think a lot of people probably want it mentioned that like when you have very strong and more than even like four characters that are very driven, you could necessarily not actually have an idea of where the story is going, you just drop things on them. And as long as you stay true to them, you're probably going to be able to generate something that's pretty engaging. Obviously, the one of the premises being bottle episodes just been like, what is your idea? It's like, I don't know, they're trapped in a room. What happens then? Like, I probably will be interesting. For example, the four of us being trapped in a room, there's probably going to be some interesting things talked about at some point. Maybe you put that in an episode. But if you so for example, the Joker from the Dark Knight trapped in a room with Jack Sparrow and David Attenborough, you'd be like, what the fuck are they going to talk about? Like, and, you know, I'd be surprised if anyone was like, I mean, I'll check that out and see what happens. And then you have the same scenario, but they're all on a desert island. The same scenario, you know, you just keep you throw something at them and you just see how they deal with the situation. Or you could be like, actually, I really want to I'm doing all of this in the first place because I want to have this payoff at the end. For example, you know, character kills other character, a person they would never kill. You're like, how do I get there? I gotta put all of these stakes along the line and I'm going to get to these these pieces. But how I go, you know, get from A to B to C to D to E, those are the dynamic and varied scenes that my characters I will be building as we go, but hopefully sticking to those things. And by the time you get to that payoff, you might have changed it. It might be that someone else does the kill or the person who did the kill wasn't who we thought it was the whole time and you find it's more engaging or something because I think that this is the complex thing with like writing advice is that every single piece of advice comes with caveats like, oh yeah, structure it all, but also leave room for non-structured stuff. You're like, wait, yeah, yeah. And I think I think the idea of like planning for an end sometimes depends on what your objective is. If the goal of what you're trying to do is have this really poignant point to make, I'm not sure that it's very achievable to do that if you don't know where you're going. Like if you have a point to make, you're almost going to construct the story in facilitating that point, at least if you want to make it good. So you need to probably know how it ends and then work backwards, but I guess that's a hard part is because it's really easy to see something that's being made and then deconstruct how it didn't work, but it's hard to know the right way to make something even if you know what a good thing is, it's kind of hard to know which way to go about it. Right. Yeah, so I wrote season six and I would have that broad plan, right, and then I would write individual episodes and in the process of writing dialogue, I would often find that, oh wait, this character is taking me in a different direction than I initially thought in the outlining process. So I would have to like go back and adjust the outline and then go back to the dialogue and write it and that would happen so often, right, but that's the process, you know, I think that's the right way to do it, I think, because when you just try and do it completely organically, there's no, like, the chances that you're going to hit the mark at the end and button up everything in a satisfying way are just nil, I think. It's pretty tough, pretty tough. Yeah, so at least work with a general outline, like, come on guys. Yeah, do an outline, but by no means do you have to adhere to it, you just, like, you just have the plan there. If your characters take you in a different direction when you're writing dialogue, great, just adjust your plan and then go back to the dialogue and just keep going back and forth like that. The weird thing I've noticed is, because I'm trying to write a book and, like, a partway through it, it's like, oh shit, there's a lot of problems already and it's kind of the situation where it's like, maybe it's a good idea to just write the bad story and then just basically be a script doctor to the story once it's done. So have, like, a first draft and persist with the problems that you know are there and then just adjust as you're working on it and then have this four thing and then just start identifying the scenes that you can change, almost like a film critique, but of, you know, the thing that you've already made that you then do in your revisions. Right, yeah. Kind of like, I don't even know if that would work though because I haven't even finished the fucking things. It's hard, man. I mean, I have a bunch of friends who are, like, dabbling in writing and whenever they do, they say they're trying to write something. I'm like, good for you. That's, it's such a fucking hard undertaking to do it well. It's really hard. Yeah, and a lot of people don't understand just how hard it is to write something good. And I've, I've, I wrote a feature script about a year ago and I was so excited to write it and I excitedly shared it with some of my friends to get some feedback and I learned that it was a piece of shit. Was that the, was that the, uh, the polyfrost? Was that the penguin idea? Exactly. I wanted to tell this kind of grim, violent, hyperviolent action story and I was just, I was so stoked to write it and I thought it was, like, I was so proud having finished it. Like, it's just regardless of the quality of it. It's just like, I finished this thing. And, uh, and then I got a bunch of feedback saying like, man, this really needs work and I felt like such shit. But they were right and that was a valuable learning experience and, and I had been writing RB in the Chief for a long, a long time at that point and so you would think that I'd know what I was doing. But, uh, even if, no matter how much writing experience you have, you are still very, very capable of writing a piece of shit and so you always have to be vigilant about, like, you always have to attack your own work. You can never let ego carry you away. Well, um, one of my favorite quotes on creating stuff was actually, it's in, uh, the Halo 2 behind the scenes, like documentary, where they're talking about how they're making the game. One of the things I like about the documentary is they're just honest about the fact that they kind of screwed up, like, and that they didn't, they didn't, it's like they didn't, their ambition was way beyond the capability of the hardware and I think, uh, Jason Jones said, um, you're always going to be your own worst critic, especially if you're doing something creative. If you think that what you're making is the greatest thing ever all the time, it won't be the greatest thing ever. I think that that's, like, such an accurate statement on what it means to make something good is to, for almost the majority of the time you're working on it, you're not going to be convinced that it's actually great and because of that, it's, it, it gives you, like, a motivation to work really hard to make it work, as opposed to somebody who thinks that every idea they have is awesome and that they're king dick and they can, you know, do no wrong. Yeah, it's, no, I think that's totally right and, um, I, there's a bunch of people in my life who have told me repeatedly, you're too hard on yourself, you know, and I think I am, but I think that's, that's part of it. It's, it's, it's essential because if you're not, then you're gonna write shit. Isn't there any good writer who isn't hard on themselves? You know, like, I feel like there's no such thing everybody's hard on themselves. Yeah, you got to stay that way, I think, if you're good, if this is what you're gonna do, if you're gonna write, you know. Well, it's almost like you're criticizing yourself, isn't it, because like, it's almost like writing, it's just bearing out your soul onto paper, like, this is what I think, guys. Feel free to, feel free to let me know if it's good or not. Like, yeah, it's, it's very vulnerable to a thing, you know. So, like, being just a YouTube content creator in general, as well, you're kind of just, you're putting yourself out there for the web to criticize. Yeah. And, uh, it's not, yeah, a lot of people, there's, there's a lot of people who are envious of my position, they're just like, oh man, I wish I had a channel, I wish I had your subscriber account, or your subscriber account. And, uh, it's like, there's, there's cons that come along with it, you know. It's, it's a, it's a vulnerable place to be. Something, it's not all, it's not all it's cracked up to be. I think you can see that in, like, what it means to write, because effectively it's like, what are you doing? You're taking the ideas in your head, which don't exist in the real world, and are the, the amalgamation of your thoughts and feelings about the world and the human experience, and you're funneling these into characters who are effectively parts of you, to some extent, to tell a story that you think is important and potentially push a message that you think is correct, that might be wrong, and do all of this whilst also trying to actually have it make sense and, and be affected by, like, the rules of, of writing. And, yeah, that's, that's, that's really, uh, intimidating, I think. Totally. Yeah. But, and yeah, it's, it's, it's very vulnerable, but the opposite, the alternative is worse. You can't write stuff trying to please everyone. Yeah, you can't lie. You know, it's like, I can't really lie, I guess, about what you want to do. There's so many pressures, like, do something that will make the people happy. It's like, wait, no, I don't want to do that, because that might be something like schlocky or, or slop, basically, right? Like, pleasing everybody? Like, no, it should be something that's true to me. It's like, wait, but what if, what if it's like, yeah, but it's true to me, but it's also really flawed, or should I keep it the way it is, because it is true to me, or, or, or should it be a corrected, true-to-me story? Should I get this guy's opinion? It's like, wait, but what if he changes it to what is true to him? Oh, no. What do I, oh, I can't, I'm stressing out yet. What do I do? Yeah, totally. So, I'd, I'd written, uh, I had season six outlined of my show, and then, um, I knew by the time, like, I knew, like, the big, the first big tent pole in the season was, there's like a big attack on the network, and then the toys become aware of this hacker clan. And then the second, uh, or like the crisis moment of the whole season, the end of our second act, the low point, is that, uh, um, Claire gets caught in the crossfire, and then all of a sudden they have a personal investment. And then, um, and then from, from the beginning I knew that the last few episodes of the season, the third act, it was going to be like a sort of a classic revenge movie takedown, where they hunt them down one at a time. So, like, this episode is Adam's takedown, the next episode is Claire's takedown. And then you went and visited that wonderfully. Thank you. Um, yes, I really like that part of season six. Um, I was, I'm not sure if we're still here, but, uh, I was talking to him about how I was rewatching it, and I told him, I forgot how they defeat, um, the last dude. I've completely forgotten. Uh, sorry, I'm, I'm referring to season seven, actually, rather than six right now. Oh, okay. But, um, you, I, I can't, for some reason I feel like I should spoil it in case you got a story for how you led up to making the decision. But what I'm referring to is defeating the bad guy, and it's not the kind of defeat they wanted whatsoever. Yes. And I, I found it really strong at all. Right. Yeah, it's either kind of purposefully underwhelming or like ironic in some way where the antagonists led to their own downfall. And I did that same thing for season seven as well. Yeah. And, um, yeah, so, so season six, some, you mentioned there was big plot holes, gaping plot holes in season six, and you're right. It was definitely a flawed execution. Sorry, I, I, you were talking about the plot, uh, plot holes in season six, right? I, the only, the major one I remember was, um, they went into the Hacker network to get the, uh, to get the frag band stuff. And, um, then there was the power outage, and it kicked them out of the game. And it's like, oh, you're, you're, you're banned now, right? Like, you got booted out of the game, so you're banned. Yeah. Um, and that was, uh, but I, I can't remember. I, I do remember that there were just a couple times where, um, it was mainly to do with the, the way that frag band works, I think was the, uh, was, um, the only really problem. Like in terms of the actual, I, I never felt that there was like an inconsistency in terms of like the ways that the characters were behaving or anything that. It was just like the kind of the issues that just came. We're trying to make halo work for the story that you were trying to tell. And obviously there's going to always be some conflicts there, you know? You're right. That's fair. Yeah. Um, there's a very tough line to walk for me. I mean, I should have planned it a little bit better, but, um, but yeah, there was a learning experience and, um, uh, what else was I going to say? Oh, yeah, I just wanted to mention some people thought frag band was stupid, but that's another thing that's actually a real. I like frag band. I think it's a super effective tool for having the, uh, the actual conflict in the game matter. I feel like I could believe it being a real thing. I felt like I was like, I'm sure someone can hack it so that if certain circumstances take place on your console, but in relation to the account that's done it to you, that it can make the console do something to itself. Yeah, that it was a real thing with, um, I think one of the counter strikes, counter strike go, there is exploitable code that is executed when a character model turns from active into a rag doll when they're killed. So it's the generation of a rag doll. The code that gets executed, there is an exploit that there is a tool made to take advantage of and it banned people, it banned their accounts. And it's, it's, it turned out to actually ended up being a real thing. And well, I think, I think whether or not it's a real thing, the whole idea is by having not only having it that your console is banned from access, but the idea that they then get your personal information, it means that like getting killed in the game actually matters. There's like legitimate consequences. So because if there were no consequences, you see people shooting each other, you've got to respawn anyway. So who cares? You know, right? Yeah. So, so I moved on to season seven and I knew like I kind of, I still wanted to do like there's a bunch of bad guys and Arbiter and Chief meet them and then decide to take them out. But I wanted to do something a bit different. I wanted to like dive deeper into the character, into the antagonists. That that was really what distinguished season seven for me. I wanted to create because in season six, I like the villains in season six, but they're very shallow in terms of motivation. They're just out for fun. They are, in a way, they are a little bit more removed from reality than the season seven villain is. Season seven villain feels like a full on person that's we're getting to know quite well. Right. Yeah. While the season six ones, again as we went over, they're like more archetypal and it's like I know this this kind of person. I understand, I follow, like I guess in the same way that Darth Vader kind of was that in A New Hope. Then when you watch the next two movies, you're like, Holy shit, this guy's like, this stuff going on. He's not just an evil machine man. Right. It was it was that point that it really came clear to me that the best villains are like they're relatable. They have a point. They're real people, you know, and not just evil for evil sake. And it made for a much more compelling story. And so I was like, what if I write an antagonistic character who's right on the line of like there's a good friend in him there somewhere for the toys to be friend. Yeah. And they don't they don't have any other friends, but they see a friend in this guy. But he's also got one foot in the shadow. Yeah, you just go, you generate the scenarios so that they're mainly only getting wind of the good parts of what's left of him as a person. And so they connect and develop. And that's really important because you can tell from the get go. This guy is going to be trouble with certain elements of his character. If the and obviously Arbiter is turning a blind eye to a lot of it for a while. Because he just needs a friend. He feels lonely because of everything that happens leading up to it. And I'm assuming again, this is all as a result of the fact that you would have planned out season seven, you would have been like, let's not do season six again, because why, why do you want to do it again? That's another thing with drama that comedy doesn't suffer usually. Comedy, you can do it again. A lot of the time comedy is actually funnier when it's referenced and repeated. But drama has to move on, otherwise you'll start doing the whole stale thing. People are like, really? This again? Oh, it's going to have the same but again, it's funny how writing works. It's like, but then you can rely on the fact that they've seen it before and do something different to surprise them, which is precisely this is the first villain I'd say that's defeated in Arby the Chief in a way that makes the audience stunned, I would imagine. Ah, yes. I got some flak for that too. Like, really? There is some repetition in Season 7 with like repeated plot beats. Like, people are saying like, frag ban again, Jesus Christ. But it's totally recontextualized though. It's a totally different reason for it to be in season 7. He bought and modified them or whatever, right? Like, they'd stolen them and recreate them. His friend remade them. It's upgraded. Yeah. Yeah. But it essentially performs the same function. But you know, it has a function and it served what I was trying to do with Season 7, which is to a degree, it was, I was kind of doing Season 6 again, but I was just exploring the antagonists more and trying to make them more believable characters. And so I was just trying to do the same, but much better, I thought. And what really sold me on Season 7, like going ahead with it, is the emotional dilemma of Arbiter having to sacrifice the one friend he could have made. In service of doing the right thing, you know, which like, because they're doing these despicable things, trolling people. And for a while, the toys do the same thing. They follow along with them and they get some gratification out of it. So they kind of embrace their dark side, because they have nothing else in their lives, you know, like they're in this room. They're kind of tired of each other's company. And like they live in this constant state of discontent and it kind of made sense to me for them to kind of embrace their evil side. But I guess this will be interesting to talk about actually, because it's one of the things like, I think Mola Rags and I've talked a lot about so if the idea is for the sequels, Luke is a detached, miserable hermit. Can we do that? And it's like, yes, but you have to work really hard. Let's make full use of those 30 years, shall we? Yeah, it's the whole idea of you have characters you can create any character you want, but once you create a character, you have certain constraints on what you can make them do. And so the interesting thing, I guess, would be like with Arbiter. It's okay. So he's a pretty moral upstanding guy. He's very guided by principle morality, but I want him to do some bad things for a little while. What sequence of events has to happen that would force him to do that? You know, the whole idea of how can we organically push this character to the point that he will make the decision that I need him to for this story to work. Yeah. And I feel like that's an often neglected thing in modern movies anyway. It feels that way. Just like, no, I want him to do this now. You know, I honestly feel like it's the perversion of subversion as in let's take this character who's known for this and make them do this. That'll be so shocking and amazing. And it shows that everyone's capable of everything. It's like, yeah, but you have to sort of explain it. You can't just have them do it. That's like, that's like the baseline idea that we can shoot out while like, you know, eating some food and watching TV. Like, oh, what if they did that? What if Luke killed his nephew? What if they did this really cool thing? Yeah. That's that's that's the power of fiction to me. You know, like even though it's a it's a fictional tale, what you can use fiction to make the ultimate case for why something is true. Like a certain archetypal truth. You know, and whereas in real life or like a documentary format, you can see those same archetypal truths unfold, but it takes way longer and sometimes across multiple generations. And, you know, there's a lot of pointless conversations that happen in nonfiction. We're like, you know what, I don't know if I'm explaining this very well, but just like, the whole idea that stories are really effective at conveying a message more so than just just the message on its own. Yeah. Yeah. In fiction, you can be far, far more concise, you know, in illustrating why something is true. Well, I think there's a whole, it's show don't tell really in effect the idea that if you demonstrate the point that you're making, it's it's going to be way easier for somebody to understand why that that message makes sense as opposed to a very methodical also most clinical relaying of information. Making them care about the situation and the characters and then the message comes through as if almost as if it's like a friend of theirs that's committing to this thing and they're like, oh, I get it now. I get why they're doing that. Right. As opposed to, you know what you should do this. It's like, well, I disagree. Yeah. So, season seven is a really personal season for me. And I'm actually, I was really delighted to hear how you guys liked it. So I like it a lot. Yeah, I feel like that polarized a lot of people again, because here's this like show that started off as this stupid raunchy comedy where nobody learns anything. And I decided to use it as a, you know, a vehicle for exploring my own feelings growing up in my twenties and the nihilism I was going through and my questions about life. I kind of put them all in these characters. And I was I was very honest about certain feelings in that season. And it was just a vulnerable thing to write, but it was also very cathartic for me. Like I got a lot of frustration and rage out writing those episodes for that season. That's what I like so much about writing is that you can channel so much negativity into something positive. Absolutely. Yeah. And I encourage everyone to do it. You know, if they haven't tried it. I'm just like, have you ever tried creative writing? And they say, no, I'm just like, you should just try something. You might be good at it. You never know. Because I think everybody's a storyteller. You know, it doesn't necessarily have to be writing something like you can tell stories through music or whatever. It's all like underpinned by narrative. I feel like in a human etymology at this point, telling stories is like something we would have done as soon as communication was possible, not only to teach lessons, but to entertain, to distract, to literally tell someone about someone's history. Just be like, this is a thing that happened. And every time you get them around the campfire, everybody's listening. It's just like, yeah, we've been doing this for a long time. All of us have not only told them in our bloodlines, but listened to them intently. Right. I feel like there's a reason why entertainment is subsumed with story. That story is like the key TV, film, TV, film, video games, books, comic books, all of the everything stories and documentaries. Why is it that David Attenborough documentaries are so compelling? It's because he weaves a story into what's happening. Yeah, they generate narratives very much by the dramatic music in these very sterile and objective documentaries. You're like, nah, they try to have some fun with it. They're like, yeah. Look at the friendly penguin as he moves across the, oh no, oh no, look what's coming. Exactly. Well, it's funny, like David Attenborough is what he does is almost like a microcosm of what stories is. He has the status quo and then there's something that gets thrown in like it's usually a predator, you know, or like, or something like that, or prey that they find. So, you know, from the perspective of the lions who tell the story about how the lions are starting to get hungry, they need to, you know, get some prey. And then there's the zebra or the the buffalo running around and then the story there or it's like a penguin getting separated from its mom and then it, well, from its dad actually because that's, you know, like the cub getting separated from the parent and then they go on their little journey to find them. And it's just like, that's a way people are really receptive to stories. I think that's like a universal truth of human beings is we really are receptive to stories. I don't know that there's anybody in the world who doesn't enjoy good stories. I think there was, do you ever watch The Walking With series we mentioned it a few weeks ago, but walking with dinosaurs, monsters, beasts. Ah, I feel like I've seen that. I remember that. I think it was walking with beasts, but there was this storyline of like a a giraffe cow sort of creature. I can't remember what it was called, but it like it has a kid and it's growing up with them and they go on a little adventure. But once they reach a certain age, the mum basically kicks it off and go away. You have to survive on your own now. And like I think it gets into like a fight with some other creature survives and it eventually bumps back into the mum who's got a new baby and she doesn't even recognize it to the point where she considers it a threat and is going to kill it if it gets anywhere close to it. And I remember as a kid being so sad about that. And it's all made up essentially. I was just like, that's so, that's the life cycle. That's horrible. It's like it's not even didn't happen. But it probably did though. It's so sad. Yeah, that's why I think what David Ann Britt, I really like him. And I like a lot of these documentary narrators who come up with these really awesome stories. Yeah, just we like that shit, don't we? All of us do. Get us feeling stuff. That means the whole reason we exist is to experience. That's the whole point. I remember when I was really young, way before I started like writing, I would listen to music a lot. And I would kind of paint narratives in my head to like go along with the music. Yeah. And it wasn't and I would have these like feelings wash over me. But it wasn't just because of a certain image on its own in my head. It was because I was juxtaposing it with something else that I had thought of just before that, you know. So like very early on as a kid, I kind of lashed onto the idea that it's narrative. It's the meaningful sequence of events where this happens, but then this happens. And it's like there's a dramatic juxtaposition there where there's like a meaningful growth moving over, moving from one stage to the next. So yeah. Try Park and Mountstone method of writing. It's never and it's but or therefore this happens. But this happens. Therefore this happens is way more effective then. I went to the place and I got an ice cream and it was really swell. And I went home, you know. My God. The people in the people in chat have the names of the things I was referring to. How do you know this? The creature that was the mum was an Indrica therium. That's probably pronounced horribly wrong. And the the monster that it thought was a hyena Don, which sounds made up, doesn't it? Hyena Don. I believe it. Yeah, I've heard of that before. But I fucking love those series, man. I could watch them just like just just give me it. Give me all these horrible monsters and wonderful kind herbivores battling their way through a world that doesn't care about them. You know, the movie I think of that is the antithesis of that storytelling approach is Batman versus Superman. Where you have all these scenes that could be put in an entirely different order and like it wouldn't matter. Because like nothing ever affects the next thing. It's just a sequence of events. Exactly. One another. Proper writing is like this scene organically leads into this one and then this one and then this one. Whereas that movie is just like let's just shove a bunch of scenes in that don't tie in. They're not related to each other at all. And yeah, fuck that movie is a piece of shit. I hated it. The only part I liked was when Superman gets a sink smashed on his head. I was like, that was pretty cool. I thought that was so funny. That movie. Yeah, we're gonna have to talk about DCU eventually. EFAP will have an arc for it. But because everyone says you should watch the extended version, the not extended one is a joke, but I don't know. I don't know how much they can fix it. Certainly didn't help for Ghostbusters. Not that I'm saying it would be the same situation. But also I do believe Hyena Dawn is a real thing. I was just saying it sounds fake, doesn't it? Yeah, it does sound like someone is just like... Fuck it. Hyena Dawn. It's the pocket square of dinosaurs. Why did you say that name? I love how people are trying to explain. I don't know about you guys, but who refers to their mom using their first name? Why wouldn't he just shout, you've got to save my mom? Which, by the way, is so much better. Have Superman telling you to save his mother? It's like, oh. I like the idea that it's like, oh, they both have the same name, Martha. It's like, dude, that's a nifty coincidence, but I don't care. But the part that should get to Batman is that he has that level of humanity. He's like, please save my mom. It's like, oh, shit, that makes you... That should be enough. Exactly. But instead he's like, wait, Martha's my mom's name. And then she runs up to him and explains. Oh my god. I like the idea that Lois Lane is sprinting up to this bedecked Batman in his master metal suit, just like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't spike him, please. It's his mother. You got that. I don't get it. Like, did Zack Snyder just like, oh, they got the same name? That's... Let's do something with that. Like, that's the most pertinent thing to pull out of. All of that will get fixed in the Snyder cut. Well, that's good. I, part of the problem is it's going to be unfair because this Snyder cut is going to be long compared to the actual film. Anybody... Look, it should be better than Justice League. If it isn't better than Justice League, that would be insane. Like, it's not remotely the same action. I really don't want people to be like, okay, so Zack Snyder is clearly better than everybody who worked on the original one because he managed to pull off this movie and it was totally equal circumstances. It's just like, no, the Snyder cut has had every single advantage you could ever want for making something. He's got extra money. He's got like, at least six months, at least six months to make it work. I'm pretty sure he's been tooling with it this whole time, is he not? It's like his thing. Whereas I'm pretty sure that Joss Whedon came in like, what, six months ahead of time? He had to reshoot and he didn't get a delay. Yeah, and who knows exactly what he even got to do, right, as opposed to just... They brought in a name to try and headline it. Exactly, to just fix it up. And if people are wondering like, why would they choose him? It's like, because he's the fuck guy who did the last two Avengers films. Like, of course, it only makes sense. And there's one guy. But, and this isn't to say that, you know, I'm not trying to say like, if it's good, I'm going to be angry at it. It's like, no, no, I hope it's good. For all the people out there who adore Snyder's work, I really do hope it's good, but I don't know, man. Don't get your hopes too high. He's a bit of a, he's got, he's got patterns in how he constructs stuff. That's all, that's all I'll say, okay? I have a soft spot for Justice League because it's so fucking bad that I was crying and laughing. Yeah, I was doubled over, fucking crying in hysterics. And I rank it as one of my favorites, so bad it's good movies. Or I'm just like, I had a great time watching that movie just because it's such schlock. And I actually, I hopes the Snyder cut is worse somehow than Justice League. Oh, I would love that. Fuck if that, if it was that bad and it's that funny. Yeah, I just, I want another. If it was like Batwoman levels, like I'd be on board, but again, you've got hordes of people who are desperately looking for this movie to like justify Zack Snyder almost, or at least Justice League. They want to see Henry and Ben and Gal. These names sound weird in my head when you just say the first ones. All work together to battle. Is it Darkseid is going to be in? Well, I think they're going to add Darkseid in, which is, I always found it weird that it was Steppenwolf. Like what a fucking odd choice. Steppenwolf, really? Not Brainiac or Darkseid or a big boy. Steppenwolf, okay. So we're building up to the big boys. Well, I mean, part of the problem is like the DCEU at this point is so like shaky. I'm pretty sure the new Batman film is in a separate continuity. It's like, oh, so what is this universe then? It's like a multiverse, I guess, now. But it's weird. Because from what I understand, the whole point of the Batman was it was going to re-write out the DCEU as it already exists, but now I guess they want to commit to the DCEU. Like we're in this weird point where people think the DCEU is actually well constructed. And it's not. It really isn't. It's a complete mess. I mean, the MCU has enough issues to be called like broken as an entire world, but DCEU doesn't even come close. The big problem with the DCEU was that even from like a broad meta-story structure, I think the easiest way to compare it is the order for... If the MCU was like the DCEU, the order of films would be Iron Man, Captain America Civil War, and then there'd be a... Oh, that'd be like a... Thor? What's a bad guy group? Just a bad guy group from the... The MCU, Sinister Six? Yeah, Sinister Six. Then the Sinister Six movie. And then, I guess, Captain Marvel. And then Avengers. Like what kind of... What kind of order is that? Not to mention we're getting the Suicide Squad again soon. The Suicide Squad, that's right. And it's a direct sequel kind of. Who's directing that one? James Gunner. So there's a little bit of hope for that one. I would argue it's a lot of hope, honestly. He's easily like top 10 at this point of people who are behind a project where I'd be like, ooh, we can expect writing to be good, hopefully. Well, characters at least. At least the characters will be interesting. And I think what they're making for DCEU now is like they got Wonder Woman, and then they got that Suicide Squad. The Batman. I think they're making Shazam 2. And then like Aquaman 2. So it's not a great lineup. Like I really, really like Suicide Squad and Batman. That's really all I'm there for. Yeah. But I think it's Matt Reeves who did the recent Planet of the Apes films, which I like personally. Though I'm pretty sure that they have a lot of problems. But I do like those films. I really like them as well. Yeah, I think they're good. I like Caesar a lot. Andy Serkis is pretty excellent. Yeah, he's great. He's the most active. He's terrific. I feel sorry for him with Snoke. He apparently was quite into Snoke. And he was like, it's gonna be cool. I forgot he did that. I think he's similar to Mark Hamill in that he was sold on something different. I can't remember if I read this somewhere, but it was just like the trilogy pitch was just changing constantly throughout all of these movies being made. Like what exactly this is all for? And just, yeah, you read the script for TLJ and you're like, oh, I guess I die. Okay. Yeah, that's gotta be disappointing. And I remember, I can't remember. I think it was the guy who played Admiral Ackbar. This one makes me really sad. His last day on set playing Admiral Ackbar whom he'd played since the beginning. He didn't get any fanfare or anything. He just got to say it's a wrap while in the costume. And then he cried when he'd left. Because nobody gave a shit. It's at least that's how we felt. It's like, oh man, these depressing stories on set of this movie. And as we know that Oscar Isaac will not return unless he needs money. No, unless he needs money to buy a house. And John Boyega laughs regularly on Twitter about how he got money from Star Wars and that he's not responsible for the writing. It's insane. And that, imagine what we'd be getting if there wasn't huge pressure to not criticise the mouse. Like, holy shit. Yeah. Well, we got that all-female Pirate's Movie reboot thingy coming up. Oh, with Margot Robbie. Well, I mean, I like her. Dude, the first one will have a cameo from Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow and it'll make everyone go nuts because he'll be in the trailer. And then in the second film, they'll completely assassinate him. Is that what you think they're gonna do? Yeah. Well, if they want to remain within standard, every reboot of anything. That's kind of like the modus operandum of Terminator, isn't it? Like, we meet him in the next one and he's like this very well-dressed guy and he's just like, drinking isn't good for you. Okay? Like, it hurts those around you more than it hurts yourself. And you're like, wow. No, but remember, Marla, Jack Sparrow is an inferior version from a deleted timeline. Oh, God. What's such a terrible line to put in your movie? Like, you're a rally experiment. It's just these pompous-ass new remakes that think they're so awesome because they have a hundred bazillion dollars while the original ones are so old and gay now. Yeah, they have to earn it. Those peasants had to earn their way to the top. I can grab you with my CGI arm. And we were talking yesterday about Han Solo and how he sold Luke's medallion for drinking money, for booze money, and how he got Leia a kitchen installed on the Millennium Falcon for her birthday. For a wedding, wedding. Oh, for a wedding. Oh. The wedding gift Han provided Leia was a kitchen in the Millennium Falcon. This sounds like a joke. It's like, what do you mean? It's like, no, that's canon. You're like, what? It's canon is what we were like when it's off and off. This is what it is now forever. They really hate these old characters. They need them, but they hate them. Well, you need their corpses to pile them up so that your characters can be propelled forward, you know? That's how it feels. It feels like there's just this amount of characters we love who've been destroyed in order to prop up these new characters. We are well past a pattern at this point. We had the pattern with just Star Wars, but we've gotten countless franchises that are doing this. Twice over. I mean, what would be another clear one of this happening? Toy Story. Oh, Toy Story 4, yeah. Terminator. What, you'd mentioned Terminator, did you? Or Predator, I guess? I did. I did. Oh, Predator. Well, yeah, but Predator, like that movie's just dog shit overall. Hang on. Well, so they didn't, the only character they could destroy would have been Dutch, but they couldn't get it. Arnie didn't want to be in it. Thank fuck. So instead, all they could ruin was the Predator lore, which they did. They made them autism hunters. It's like, what? Yeah, that's right. That's right. The original Predator. He came to do it, John. I've talked about this before. I think it's in my video, but like, I remember being super young and watching Predator and being blown away by the motivation of the movie monster being sport. I was like, that is so fucking cool. And it collects the skulls of the people it beats. It's like, that is so awesome. And it's like, nah, I was collecting the spine so it could draw out the fluid to study and get what? I don't know. Yeah. Like, this is like, come on. You ruined everything. Like, why would you do this? He's hunting autism balance because autism is the next stage of human evolution. Fucking movie, man. You had to ruin the aliens, too. It's not even the human, the protagonist, human hero characters. They had to ruin the villain, too. You killed the namesake of the whole series. You ruined the namesake. That's how bad they are. God damn it. So, uh, carry on, I guess. We're at season seven, I guess. Oh, yeah. So, uh, I was really proud of how season seven turned out. There is a, there was a controversy around it, though, because, um, I can't really go into it without spoiling it for people who haven't seen season seven. But there's a big catastrophic end to season seven. And I intentionally built up to that moment from the very beginning. Oh, you can tell. It's actually foreshadowed. Like, it's bookended. One of the first images in the season alludes to it, yeah. And, um, a lot of people thought, maybe not a lot, but a certain portion of people thought that my message was glamorizing suicide. And, um, I didn't, that really wasn't my intention. I feel like that's an immature take, as far as I could say. This is like, oh, that, that, glamorize, I don't know. I don't think it's entirely invalid either. It's an inaccurate thing, a message to take away from it, I think, given all the context of the season. But, uh, I can see how people would come to that conclusion. And, um, I saw it as the toys have a very unique situation. And by the end of that season, they saw no way out. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of where I was going to go with it. It's like, there's no one's experiencing, technically speaking, if we're going to go very literal, what they are. Right. And that I imagine it seemed like the logical end point, if we're going to be building these creatures up with actual, like, characters, lived experiences, memories, emotion, and the fact that they're falling apart. Exactly. Which is terrifying, by the way. Right, yeah. And that was a major theme throughout that whole season, was like decay. They're coming apart at the seams, because there's wear and tear. They're finite, they have finite bodies. And, um, by the end, uh, yeah, they throughout, in the course of the season, they feel like, they care, the antagonist Eugene to them is like, they're one last attempt at making a real friend online. And they didn't even, they couldn't even do that. And so by the end, they really have nothing, nothing on the horizon. And the relationship between the toys themselves is just soured by circumstance. And, um, uh, yeah, it's just, it's a very, it's a very bleak ending. And it's sort of reflective of just how I was feeling at the time, you know? I was just very nihilistic at the time. And, um, but I didn't feel it like it was dishonest at the ending, you know? Like you were saying, it felt like a logical conclusion to me, as grim as it is. And, um, they don't, they don't, like, if you're losing your body parts in real life, you're actually on a ticking timer. The fear with being a toy is what if you separate all parts you can't move, but you're still alive? Right. Yeah. This is what I mean about being in a unique situation with, with what these creatures are. Yeah. So the, the light at the end of the tunnel for me in that situation was that they were taking control of their own lives, you know, at the very end. And, um, so, but then I, I left, I left the show for a while and that was at the same time I stopped working for machinima. And the way they fired me was just simply not responding to my emails anymore. It was very unprofessional. Yeah. Gee. And so, yeah. So leaving machinima and leaving the show kind of just happened at the same time. And, um, it just, the show wasn't getting the views that it used to. And that's partly my fault. It's partly their fault for making LA such dog shit, harbing the chief in LA. And, um, I was just, yeah, I was feeling really bitter. And then as time went on, I was looking back on the series and I'm thinking, like, is this really how I want to end this show? Like it started off as so like, just like funny and upbeat. And then it ends in the most bleakest way possible. And, uh, that, that was, uh, one of the reasons I decided to go ahead with an eighth season. I almost, I felt an obligation to kind of like, not, not a dishonest, not like, I'm not trying to revise my feelings on season seven. I think season seven, it has its purpose. I don't regret making that season. I think it's an important one. It's a personal one for me. I'm very proud of it. But, um, I didn't want the takeaway to be like, oh, I guess that's it then. Just, just end the pain of life on your own terms. And then, and that's it. I did, that felt like, uh, I didn't want to end the show that way. Yeah, I understand what you mean. But, uh, but I said, I told myself, I wasn't going to go ahead with season eight until I had a story that was worth pursuing. And then I had this idea of bringing Adam back because his fate was undetermined. Like, uh, like you kind of, you see him arrested and then you don't really hear from him again. And I liked that character so much. And I decided to bring him back. And I also, I didn't want to bring the toys back straight away because of the big thing that I had built up to in season seven. And so that's kind of partly why the 2001 arc is there. Is because I wanted this big kind of dreamlike buffer in between that climax of season seven and then season eight where they come back, they're back together because it just felt too abrupt. Just all of a sudden they're back again. It's like, oh, I guess the emotional significance of the season seven is just throwing out the window. I didn't want to do that. Like how you're highlighting the nightmare of being a writer. It's just like, yeah. All the choices you make means all of the other choices were not made. Like every other possibility is now not possible if you choose one road. Yeah. And I also just, I wanted to do a 2001 parody because I love that movie so much. And I saw this like comedic parallel between Hal and chief or pal as he's called in the 2001 arc. Perfect algorithmic computer and who's obviously so imperfect. And so I did that. And I'm currently in the process of doing season eight. And I don't want to go too much. I'd rather not go too much into detail. I'd rather just if people want to watch it, they can check it out. It's on my channel. Yeah, because we're getting closer and closer to catching up to like we're not even, we're nowhere near old internet days anymore. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's where I'm at right now. I'm independent now. I'm not working permission anymore, obviously. I'm just working for myself. I got my channel. I got an editing job on the side as well. And yeah, just that's pretty much the story of our being the chief, the evolution of it. Yeah. And I imagine you've gained and lost all kinds of different kinds of viewers throughout probably ones that stick through the whole thing, ones that joined on when it was more drama than comedy and then vice versa, maybe the dropping out. Oh yeah, there are a couple of major polarizing points. But I always did what I wanted to do. I never tried to like pander to like the fans. And I just did what I thought was compelling, what I thought was funny, what I thought was entertaining. And I just did it as best as I could. And there's problems along the way, but I really learned from all of those problems. This is why I was saying earlier about like, you can't have any regrets really in life because you learn from everything, everything shaped you. For those who are listening, what would you recommend if they were looking to maybe get into the show? Like maybe an episode or a season more? I don't know. Just start from the beginning and just know that once you hit season five, things are going to change quite a bit. And if you don't like it, that's fair. It's not for everybody, the direction I took it in, but it just, I wanted the show to evolve. I didn't want to keep doing the same. That's almost said in chat, except for LA. Fuck LA. Yeah, it's terrible. I regret that decision. But I learned from it. And I learned just the whole experience with machinima was as a whole story on its own, you know? And once that deteriorated, I kind of, that was a really eye-opening experience for me because I learned what Hollywood culture is really like, you know, and what, like just the nature of business and corporate corporations. They pissed off the whole internet in more ways than one when they essentially, without warning, dumped their entire log of so many, so much content, it's insane that they would have done that. And you know, you have the kind of fans among all of these different IPs that were on machinima that would have downloaded all of them. If you'd just given them like an hour, just told them they have to go down. Well, that's kind of the sad part is you managed to get a lot of your backlog back, but I know like battlefield friends, I'm pretty sure like season three onwards is gone. Like it's not anywhere. And I really like that show. You can't find it. And there's a lot of other shows that are never got their backlog back. And it's like, why would you delete so much years and years and years of people's work? It's fucking terrible how they handled that. Yeah, just the catastrophe. So poorly managed. That's what that's what they're remembered for, really. All of that stuff that they did is just, it doesn't matter anymore. You remember when they tried to revamp their image a little bit towards the end there when Warner Brothers came in? Yeah, they did. Yeah. And it was just so terrible. And yeah, it's just really cringy how they tried to kind of reinvigorate their image. And obviously that ended in catastrophic failure because they are no longer an entity of any kind. Like there's no record. There's no website. There's just nothing. It's just gone. And so it was kind of an immense relief for me at that moment and really freeing all of a sudden because I didn't upload any of my old content to my channel for a long time because I'm just like, is this legal? Like does Machinima still own the content? And like, I can't re-upload to my channel I guess because I was under contract with them. And I had people giving me flak for like, it's like, well you signed a contract with them and they can do whatever they want. And that includes getting rid of all their stuff. And I'm just like, I didn't put that much fucking love and labor into the show just so five years down the line the whole fucking thing could be erased. That's stupid as fuck. Like you- Yeah, one kind of stupid thing. You had a contract that said that they could yeet your entire catalog of work. So too bad. Well, it didn't say that in the contract obviously. It's just like, why would I agree to this something? Why would I pour an decade of my life into the show? And I'm expected to be okay with the whole show being erased off of the internet entirely. And I'm not even allowed to put it on my own channel. And I tried so for so long for months I was emailing Mishinima saying, can someone please fucking tell me if it's okay for me to re-upload to my own channel because I'm really confused here. It's like, I get that I had a contract with you and you owned the content but you're not hosting the content on your channel anymore. And I don't even care about monetization. I just want the fucking show seen. Yeah. I just want it to be able to be enjoyed. That's it. Even if it's still on your channel, I'm gonna fuck, just put it up there just so people can like watch. And you notice I'm getting angry now just talking about this shit. Yeah. It's so, and it furiates me what. I can't imagine why you'd be angry if five years of your life is being deleted. It's fine. Yeah. It's pretty emblematic, isn't it, of the disconnect between corporate and creative, right? Corporate is like, what's the big deal? You don't care. It's like, this is the contract. What's the big deal? Whereas the creator is like, dude. This is like my life's work. Yeah. But that's what it is. Fucking hell, man. And if they wanted to keep it on their channel and monetize it so they get the revenue, I was prepared for that too. That would have been okay with that really because at least people would have been able to see the show. At least it's up. Yeah. And so when Machinima just went off the map entirely as an entity, like it just doesn't exist anymore. I'm just like, fuck it. I'll just, I guess I can re-upload my stuff now because it doesn't matter. There is technically no owner anymore. So. No, it doesn't exist. And I made the fucking show anyway. So, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I handled every aspect of it. So. Except LA. Fuck LA. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't re-upload that one. I noted. Yes. I'm checking through it and I was like, yep, that's not there. Good stuff. I don't know if this is true for all of Machinima's old content, but I know Rooster Teeth grabbed a lot of it and like re-hosted it. I think they did. But I think Rooster Teeth is a subsidiary because I'm on the Wikipedia now and it was bought out by Warner Brothers and then it was going to be reorganized into Automedia Holdings, which is a subdivision of Warner. I always get confused, right? Because it's like, Automedia Holdings is an American digital media company owned by Warner Media, a division of AT&T's Warner Media. It's like, how high up does this go? And yeah, that company owns Crunchyroll, Fullscreen, and Rooster Teeth. So there must have been some cross deal, I would imagine, because they're part of the same company. Right. Yeah. I certainly think Warner Brothers, Warner Media, whatever, didn't really know what they were buying. It feels like that happened with, what was that Disney bought it? It was that multi-channel network. What was that? I can't remember what it was called. Disney bought a multi-channel network for like half a billion dollars and it just was not a worthwhile investment at all. Because multi-channel networks are kind of like, yeah, yeah. Right, yeah. I don't know the name of that one. Damn it. This is going to kill me. I'll find it eventually. I'll get it. But yeah, I have a, you know, working with Machinima wasn't all bad for me anyway. I know it was bad for a lot of people. Yeah. A bunch of people were screwed over and because I joined with them so early, I had a, I was on a better contract than what a lot of, like the newer directors were on. Because they had learned how to like write their contracts to maximize their profits, you know, while just giving their creators the bare minimum, the people who were actually doing the fucking work. It was Maker Studio, by the way. But yeah, Maker Studio, everybody's saying it in chat that got bought out for like half a billion dollars. Right. But working with Machinima, they kind of left me alone for the most part. Like they let me do the show the way I wanted and I'm grateful for that. There was some censorship that moved in around season seven. I started having to bleep out words. That pissed me off. Yeah, I remember that. You had to bleep out. Yeah. Yeah. Because like I had never censored myself before that and all of a sudden it's like inappropriate to like use the words I'm using. I'm just like, well, now it's not okay. And then I'm having email arguments with their fucking, what do they call it? Like standards and practices. Yeah. Just the person, the people in charge of cleaning up their image. And I'm arguing over like, I should be able to say this word because don't you see it's in this context where it's not offensive and the actual joke is this and the target isn't that. Here's why it works. They don't care. They don't care about any of that. It's just like, as soon as one of the bad words on their red flag list, as soon as they hear it mentioned, it's like, nope, that's not okay. You got to bleep it. I'm just like, this is just going to piss people off. Like, come on. So I eventually, I wrote dialogue that would abuse that like deliberately. Like I would have chief say things that had cunt in the same sentence like seven or eight times just so I bleep over and over and over again. And it's just my way of kind of giving a middle finger to the whole censorship thing. Yeah. It really, really sucks when you've got this idea of what you want and someone else tells you, nah, you can't do that. Yeah. And I never had to do that before. And I was on season seven now. You know? And it's just like now I got people, I got to run my content through people to tell me like, this is okay. This isn't okay. Like I was just very uncomfortable with that. I didn't like that at all. Yeah. And it wasn't like I wasn't being careful with the language I use, you know? Like I use pretty foul language, but every time I'm actually carefully considering the context of it. I'm like, do people know why I'm using this word? Like, do they know why it's funny? Like, I was always very aware of that. Only you'd made all of it at the same time as that first episode and it all would have been okay? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They were, I mean, Mishinema was quite happy to have all that language when it was profitable to them, when nobody cared. But then, you know, they just, they flutter in the political wind, you know? Where it's just like, or like the, however you would phrase it, where they're just, they wanted to clean up their image. There's a phase late into Mishinema where they were just like, we can't have all this like edgy, you know, unfiltered language. And like, they were getting some flack for like women being over sexualized. Like there's a series called the... Yeah, gamers hate that. Yeah, I know exactly. Ooh, that. What was it called? Sanity Not Included. They had like a intro segment, like animated segments where chicks had like massive tits and... Oh no. Yeah. Don't that. Boo, that. Yeah. No. Yeah, so I mean, I just, maybe there's an argument there that maybe that's, you know, over sexualizing women. I don't know, I just, I didn't, it didn't seem like a big deal to me. I thought it was, it came from a good place. Oh, that's, you know, I mean, that stuff's ongoing, right? It'll be around just how much and just how little or allowed or what should be, all that stuff. Right, yeah. So Machinima was just getting, they wanted to go like, they were getting more and more success and they were reaching closer and closer to like the big, big league corporate level. And when you get to that level, all of a sudden you've got to like clean up your act, I guess. And they were just trying to, yeah, they wanted to give the, give themselves a bit more of a polished, sophisticated look, I guess. I mean, I think it's a combo of broad appeal plus the fact that so many eyes are on you, you've got to be a little bit more careful because I think we all kind of see that like, it's less about the act being wrong, it's more about who saw it and who complained. And by wrong, I just mean against the rules. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a pragmatic approach. Yeah. Yeah. And so things towards the end during season seven, my relationship with Machinima started deteriorating, I could tell, like things weren't going to a good place because they would respond to me less and less frequently via email. And the contract you had with them, was it ongoing or was it renewed every year or every season? I don't think it was strictly every year, but every now and then, if they had like a new contract, they would give it to me. Yeah. With just some revised terms. I was on like a, I used to be get paid by the views, but then it was like a salary as time went on. Right. Did you know, did you like have the position of just being like, man, I should strike out instead of, you know, like on my own instead of signing with these people? Like I'm assuming that creeped in. Yeah. I really wish I hadn't neglected my own channel, you know, in service of, because like, I was uploading shit to my channel, like Master Chief sucks at Halo one and two. And then once I signed up with Machinima, it's like, okay, you make videos for our channel now. And so I wasn't really uploading anything to my channel at all. And so I wish I'd kind of kept up activity on my channel in some form. But that's where I am now. I'm trying to rebuild it. And I've decided like independent from here on out, you know. I think a lot of people are starting to realize that like going your own way is super valuable nowadays. Yeah. And not to mention possible now. It's just like the means of creating your own stuff are just, they're there at a consumer level now. Like you get a webcam, you get a microphone, you can get your own green screen, you can get a DSLR and you can make your own shit now. Like you don't need a studio hookup. Yeah, exactly. And you can learn a lot of these skills. But I guess the interesting thing is, because when I was younger, back in the early 2010s or late 2000s, I was like, oh yeah, this Machinima thing. I think Machinima was like really accessible as a means of telling stories, but because I never had an Xbox, I couldn't really do it because like Halo is the only game that it really works with. But it's interesting that despite the fact that Machinima is a super accessible way of actually creating cinematic content, it's kind of died almost as a mainstream like thing. Because obviously there's your show and there's like red versus blue is still going on. But other than that, there's not really a lot of Machinima anymore, which is weird considering that it's super accessible. Well, I think it depends how you define Machinima. And I have a big problem with the word. And how a lot of people use it. Because Machinima is so loaded, like it can either mean the name of the company, which doesn't exist anymore, or a specific subset of fan content, right? Or to me, it's much more broad than that because it's a contraction of machine cinema. And so to me, machine cinema applies to any kind of AAA video game cutscene. You know what I mean? Like you're making cinema with a computer, right? Yeah, the strict definition is the use of real-time computer graphics to create a cinematic production. So video games. Right, exactly. So like, you know, the Uncharted games, for example, like all those cutscenes, that's to me, that's Machinima. But the way people most often use Machinima is that it's specifically fan-curated content. The idea of you're using a game engine in a way that it wasn't strictly intended to be used to create a story. Right, you're creating cinematic content in a non-official capacity, where you're not affiliated with the developer of the engine, or whatever. Which I think is just such a weird way of defining the term. It just never really sat well with me. I'm just like, well, if this is Machinima, what do you call big-budget in-game cinematics? It's basically the same thing. Obviously, the tool set is more sophisticated on the developer end. Well, yeah, I guess that's the interesting thing. Like you've got Source Filmmaker. I mean, what is that? That's like Machinima, but it's basically you're just using the same tools that the developers used to create the cutscenes for Team Fortress 2 and stuff. Yeah. So yeah, I got people tweeting at me, sending me emails saying, like, how do you feel about being one of the few people who are still contributing to this lost art form? I'm like, what do you mean lost art form? It's still being done. How is it a lost art form? I don't understand. I guess it's... But yeah, like I was saying, it just depends on how you define the term. I guess it'd just be like Halo 3. Halo Machinima in general was not very common when back in the late 2000s, there was a shit ton of like Halo 3 Machinima shows. There was a... What was it? Matchmaking and like pre-grain lobby and stuff like that? There was all these ones and it's not really... But I feel like that might be more associated with the fact that Halo isn't that relevant anymore. No. Well, I say not that relevant. Like it's still a big deal, but it feels like... Well, it doesn't need to feel like... Definitely not the power hearts it used to be. Yeah. It used to be like... Yeah, it used to be like the defining game of the Xbox and I guess it still is, but like Xbox as a whole is a lot less relevant now than it was 10 or 15 years ago. Yeah. That ties what we were talking about near the beginning with like the key creative staff being cycled out. And you know, you have these people moving over to 343, who it's just not the same core... It's not the same team. Development or narrative team. Yeah. And I think it's often forgotten because people see the logo. Like, oh, it's that developer. And then you forget that it's very rare that you have a Kojima type who sticks with the same franchise for like 30 years and has a core team that sticks around for that long too. So things are generally consistent. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I hope 343 pulls out something good. I'd like some good Halo games personally. Yeah, I'd like some good Halo games. Yeah, everyone want to do a vote on that? Do we want good stuff? Yeah. I guess the Halo kind of gameplay. And not a lot of stuff sort of gives you that. No, Halo was a unique. I feel like Halo filled this middle ground between, I guess, what a lot of console shooters are now and what the old school type of shooter used to be like quake sort of thing. You know, it's just kind of middle ground where it's a mix between the two that was really unique. Yeah. I don't even know what modern sorts of games I play that really compare. I mean, Apex was too fast and so was Doom. And Call of Duty is too hard to do. So it's hard to, you know, time to kill us too low. It doesn't have the same sandbox elements that Halo had. And so it's really, it's really in a market of its own, but it feels like they keep trying to lean into being more like Call of Duty and stuff. And I guess we'll have to see with Halo Infinite, but the fact that we're like five months away from the launch of our, the new Xbox, and we haven't seen any gameplay is a little disconcerting. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, I'm concerned. I'm wondering where is all this stuff? Where is all the info? Why do you not want to show us what you have? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Halo used to be on the top of the pile, but I never expected them to stay there. I mean, because, you know, they, that happens all the time. The top dog kind of drifts out. Something else comes in. But Halo, Halo was at the top for a while, and then Call of Duty came in once Modern Warfare came out. And Call of Duty then became. Could have been the new top shooter. Battlefield could have been five as, yeah, five as demolished any chance of Battlefield being the top dog. And now that Modern Warfare is super popular again, like, yeah, as soon as like Call of Duty is going to be on top for a while. I guess it's interesting. Nintendo feels like they're the only company that really remains generally just beloved consistently. No one can take them from the Nintendo throne. They've carved out their own throne. Carved out of the throne of their own. And I mean, it's, you know, you look at Zelda, every time a new Zelda comes out, it's, I mean, Breath of the Wild is probably like peaked. It's popularity as much as maybe like Ocarina of Time, but it feels like, you know, Zelda's sort of at the top of the pile again. And Mario keeps being at the top and, I don't know, Nintendo, I like my Nintendo games. I know Chief doesn't like them. Yeah, I still, some of my fondest gaming memories are of Halo multiplayer. Like Halo Combat Evolved LAN parties where you get four Xboxes in one house. You'd have like a 16-player party. Be playing like Blood Gulch and Sidewinder. I fucking love that shit. That was so good. And then Halo 2 on Xbox Live was so good. So it's probably worth asking, what is your favorite Halo game? Uh, I think Combat Evolved still. Yeah, and Halo 2. Manly folks, story arrived. Is that? That too, yeah. Just the way it plays. There's something really floaty about it and smooth. Yeah, would you say that the jumping is floaty? Yes, jumping is floaty. Yeah, I kind of agree. Yeah, I thought you would. Halo 2 felt different. It felt a little more stiff, gameplay wise. I don't know. I can't put my finger on it exactly. It felt different to play though. Yeah. But I still liked it. I thought the music was great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Halo 3 seems to be a real highlight for people, but uh. Oh yeah, that's definitely my assumption of fan choice overall would be Halo 3. Right, yeah, absolutely. Love me Halo, love Halo 3 is my favorite. I didn't have a problem with it. I thought it was packed with features and the campaign was fun. There's something like little, there's something a little plasticky about the way it looked. I don't know. I can see that. I think Halo 3 was the point where Halo wasn't like the top dog graphics wise on console, I think. Even though I think Halo 3 still looks pretty good, but you compare it to like Uncharted 1, which came out the same year. Uncharted 1 looks a lot better graphically. And then Halo Reach kind of came back to sort of being top in terms of our graphics, I think. Can I just kind of leave that alone? So this gets referenced by video that's coming out. Did you know the episode of Simpsons Free where Mark Hamill is talking about Sprint and then Ahoma has to tell everyone off for it? And what do you remember what the guy in the crowd says? Ah, no, I can't. The little nerdy kid when Mark is talking and they're all complaining. Do you remember what the kid says? Um, was it say something? Like say the such and such. Talk about Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's right. Guy in check called Overtnave just said, talk about Star Wars. I'm sorry, my good man. It's Halo Tisms today. Yeah, what about Reach? What do you think of Reach? Uh, yeah, I really like that. I'm not as much as Halo 1, 2 or even 3. But I really enjoyed the campaign. It's a sad, it's like Rogue One sort of. Yeah, it has a looming sense of dread throughout the whole thing. Yes, exactly. And so it's grim, but I like that about it and the art style of it. I like how it feels gritty. Yeah, it's like the grimness of the plot is kind of reflected in the art style of it. And I really like that about Reach. Reach was good. I don't think it was better than 3. I think gameplay is very, very questionable decisions like the introduction of Bloom. Right. The power is not being balanced well, stuff like that. It's still good. I still really like it and I certainly appreciate it. Still a good game, but it was... Amalok was an interesting decision of theirs. Yeah, it was... Yeah, that and Sprint and all that stuff was very... Why? My favorite part of Reach is the last mission where it's like... The last mission is incredible. Infinite enemies fighting to the death. That was really powerful. I thought that was really well done. Well, I think that's a good example of integrating gameplay and service of your story. And it feels like a lot of games now. It feels like there's much more of a problem that we're having, where it's a lot harder for seemingly... I think slow walking is emblematic of the problem, where it's like, all right, you've got to walk slow now so that we can do our story thing. Giving you full control and having it be... And I think I had a conversation with this about the guys yesterday, thinking about a lot of games from like early 3D era, when we started to actually have cutscenes and stuff. A lot of games like Ratchet and Clank, the cutscenes would never have the character to do something that you wouldn't do. It would only ever be like, all right, we set the scene and then you interact with it. Whereas now, like, Ludo narrative dissonance is so pronounced because things happen in the cutscenes that you wouldn't do or it wouldn't happen in gameplay. And so it's... It kind of forces this wedge where you have to just kind of pretend that the cutscenes are happening in a different plane of reality to the video game. And I feel like Halo never really had that problem, especially in reach because everything that happens feels like something that you can do. And then when they need you to do it in service of the plot that they're making, then you have that full player control to do your last stand and it's super effective. Yeah, there's a real opportunity with video games to craft experiences that movies can't give you. And it happens so few and far between, but when it does it, it's fucking awesome. Did you guys play Spec Ops the line? I did, yeah. I never actually did play that. What the game does in the last mission is so fucking amazing. I can't get over how good it is. It's a really good game. I really like what they do. The fact that even the loading screen starts to get more ominous as you progress, they start criticizing you personally, like you, the player. It's really cool. It's Spec Ops the line overall. It's not that mind blowing of a game, really. I mean, it's kind of clunky at parts, to be honest, but just narratively at the end and what the narrative does in combination with gameplay, I think, is just spectacular. I haven't seen any other video game pull that off. It constantly, even after all this time, is sort of like the primo example that comes up when people talk about impactful storytelling. It's a very meta game, because a lot of what it's criticizing is you specifically, the player. Not like the characters are definitely getting criticized, but the whole kind of point of the game is like, what are you doing here? Like, what is it that you are doing with this game, you, the player? Why are you doing this? Like, why are you playing this game? Is it fun? Like, are you having fun as the game slowly pushes you towards doing these really bad things? It's like, hey, this is fun, right? I mean, it's a video game. Who cares? It's fun, right? I think one of the things I really liked as I was playing the game was when the characters are doing call outs. Like, when you're marking people for your squad to attack at the beginning of the game, it's all like, you know, you know, tango on the rooftop and like, oh, hostile over there. And as it progresses, he starts getting a lot more like deranged. He's like, kill that fucker. I want him dead and stuff like that. And it's slowly, but slowly like transitions over the game. It's really cool. It's really cool. I like that game. It's well done. Yeah, I agree. And it feels like, yeah. I was just going to ask, well, my thing will move on in a different, well, slightly different direction. So go ahead. No, that's, that's cool. That's, uh, yeah. I was going to say you mentioned that you kind of like that stuff the most. Have you got like maybe a small selection of what you consider to be like your favorite games of all time? Uh, my first experience was Sonic 2 on Genesis. Good game. Yeah, I got me into video games, and then I played Sonic 2 on Game Gear. I traded my Genesis with a kid at school for a Game Gear. Yeah, this is really dumb because I was just like gaming on the go. I can play, I can play Game Gear whenever I want. Whereas Genesis, I'm limited to my house. But of course, terrible trade off. I mean, not only is that game fucking hard to Sonic 2 for Game Gear, it's, uh, it's, um, that system chews through double A batteries like a motherfucker. Oh my God, it was foreshadowing for Machinima. Yeah. So, um, but eventually I got a Genesis again. And, um, and, uh, I played Sonic 2, and then Sonic 3, Sonic and Knuckles. Sonic was a big entry point for me into video games. And then I branched off from there. And, uh, I got, instead of getting PlayStation, I got, I went the Nintendo route. I got N64. So I grew up with like Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Donkey Kong. Did you go to GameCube after that? Yes. Yeah. I got it on launch. I was really excited about it. That's totally my era, baby. I love GameCube. Yeah, yeah, it's true. GameCube was my jam. Yeah. Um, and GoldenEye in Perfect Dark, that was, that was fucking blew me away. Fucking even Mario Party on N64, I was blown away by how much fun that was. I remember playing at a one kid's birthday party once, and I was like, I need that. I need it again. I need to put the game with the balls we tried to knock each other off and stuff. I was like, this is more fun than anything ever. I feel like there are a lot of those like seminal, I think Grand Theft Auto 3 was like a big eye-opening experience for me. Oh yeah. Like what video games, I mean I was really young at the time because like I got introduced on like Crash Bandicoot and then obviously going over and then seeing Grand Theft Auto 3, I was so impressed by that big open sandbox that you could explore. Yeah. You did the games really well. I didn't, for a lot of growing up, I wasn't allowed to have video games. I played them at friends' houses and never I could. And I found I was good at them and I love the competitive aspects and how, and I just got really absorbed by them. Stomping noobs. I guess the interesting thing is like I feel like now it's almost like if you're a kid now and you want us to start playing video games, you're not well poised to get a really good, I guess a broad spectrum of games because when you've got stuff like Fortnite that's free and persistently updated, it doesn't give you an incentive to move on to something else. Whereas like when you're a kid and you beat Crash Bandicoot for the 10th time, you know, it's like, all right, probably sad to play something else now. It's kind of interesting, isn't it? Because games are designed now to be services rather than products. To be persistent rather than it's one and done. Here it is. And even in the 2000s when DLC was dabbling with, it was like, all right, we'll do a couple of map packs and then move on. But pretty much ever since 2010s, it's like, yeah, we want you to keep playing forever. And I'm not sure that there are many games that I want to play forever. I like Novelty and it feels like people are missing out now because it's like, play League of Legends or CSGO every day for like 10 years. And then you just miss out on so many games. You're just gonna miss out on so much. There's just so much stuff out there now. Yeah. And I like games that end, you know? I like games that end. Yeah. Some games that build up to an ending where it's just like, okay, it's over now, but goddamn, that was fucking great. And then, oh yeah, some of my favorite games are, you know, those, you know, you play them once and they're kind of, that's it. But they're amazing and you love them and you never forget them. Yeah. And it's like, you know, the Zeldas or not just Zelda, but N64 Zelda being one of them and Super Mario as well. But you finish the game and the game just kind of freezes on a frame at the very end where you're forced to turn the console off. Like there's no like going back to the main menu or anything like that. It's like the game one not just power it off. Yeah. I miss, I miss that shit. I think I missed, here's a, this is a weird one. The end credits to Super Mario 64 kind of make me emotional. Yeah. Especially right at the end when Mario's like, you know, thank you so much for the playing my game. It's like, oh man, like thanks Mario. I had so much fun. What a legend Mario. I'd buy you a drink. You sure? How many times? Yeah. And totally. I feel like, I feel like that's what Nintendo still offers though. It feels like that's Nintendo was almost like, hey, remember video games like a long time ago? We still like those types of games. But with the add, well, I mean, that's Nintendo's, you know, if it's not fun, why bother? It's like, that's a nice little quote there, Reggie. I'm inclined to agree. And I think, oh yeah. I was just playing Super Mario 64 last week. And it's amazing how well that fucking game holds up. It's a great, that's a great game. And that is a really excellent game. What does it say about modern gaming where I'm going back to fucking Super Mario 64? So like, I think, I actually think, and this is something I hear a lot when you, when people talk about game development, it's the whole idea of if it's fun to just move a character around in a room, that's a really good starting point. It's just fun to be in this space. And I think the opening of Super Mario 64, I mean, obviously in retrospect, it's easy to look at it like that. At that time, it was like, holy shit, a 3D environment, I can move around in a good direction. That shit was mind blowing, walking into the castle. And then when I found out, because again, this is over a friend's house, that there were these portals in different worlds. I was like, you fucking kidding me. This is amazing. Yeah, and it's the whole idea that that opening level is literally just, here's Mario, run around, jump around, see what you can do. As much as this sounds kind of lame, it's like, we were pretty lucky in that all of these things were new when they came out, all of these different mechanics. I mean, you can go through so many different games that were essentially like groundbreakers for this, but like even as much as Doom and Portal and all these games that introduced this whole new mechanic that's focused on it, and, but like nowadays, you're spoiled for mechanics now. They're all over the place, everything. And you're just like, yeah, this is just the norm. This is just mechanics now. The ability to move around in a 3D space without loading screens. Like I think, and it's funny, I feel like even the PS3, Xbox 360 generation was the last generation that I was like blown away. Shit like in Grand Theft Auto 4, walking into a building without a loading screen was like insane. That blew me away, just the fact that I could go into these buildings without loading screens. It's just so nuts. Yeah, well, I think that it makes us a little bit cynical as well with newer stuff that's like, hey, look at us. We're doing this thing. You're like, I know how you're doing that. You think you can trick me? I know your tricks now. I mean, I still really like video games, obviously. Oh, totally. Yeah. And we're all going to happily play new ones as they come out. For example, The Last of Us 2, all happy to play it. Yeah, tandem. But I always wonder if it's like nostalgia, but then I think like, no, no, this was like a really good era for video games, you know, the 90s and the 2000s. There's a lot of good video games in that period of time. Yeah. I think Nintendo excels in game design with their phases of development. Like you said, they'll start with Mario just in a blank, empty room and just like, okay, does this character feel fun to play? Is the running speed just right? Does the animation look just right? As Eddie's just reminded us all, do the fish move away from you? Mario 64? Yes. I'm right in the water. Yeah. Yeah. And then they come in and it's like, once they lock the character movement down and make sure it's fun to move around as that person, then they do the world design. Whereas I think a bunch of developers, like indie developers, will kind of do it all at once. And then it just ends up being kind of messy. Well, it's almost like there's a certain purity to what Mario is as a video game. And I think that purity extends to a lot of Nintendo. I even think of new stuff like Splatoon. You can tell that that was just a really cool idea that they had. Where they were like, what if we had a game where you shoot ink at people and you can use that ink to move around the level? And the goal is to cover the level in this ink that lets you move around. It's like, that's a really cool idea. And you can see that it started with a unique gameplay idea. And I guess you can see that to a lot of things like Mario. What if you're a guy who can jump around levels and explore them and then a Metroid? What if you're a bouncy hunter in a space that you need to explore and get power-ups to open new spaces? As opposed to, I guess, as much as I like them other games where it's just like, oh, it's a third-person shooter. You run, you shoot, that's what you do. I'll do Pikmin. What if you have control over tiny creatures that rely on you for everything and you can choose to sacrifice them or force them to eat the remaining wildlife to create more of their kind? It's a wonderful little... It's beautiful. And Super Smash Brothers, what hit the other player off the screen to win? The more you get them, the more they fly. That was genius. I love it. It is genius. It's like the most unique fighting game that... Well, I'm sure that I'll get flayed alive for that, but I think it's really neat. There's really nothing like Smash Brothers. Love it, yeah. Great stuff. Well, there was PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale. Have you guys heard of that? Yeah. No, I don't. Yeah, they really have to scrounge the bottom of the barrel for characters to have in there. Well, part of the problem was their introduction was like, okay, so who are our characters? We got Kratos. Okay, cool. Nathan Drake. Yeah, cool. We got Fat Princess. It's like, wait, wait, who? We got Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal. And we've got Big Daddy from Bioshock. I was like, that's third party. What are you doing? It's such a crazy character to have in there, though, still. Big Daddy. He was like, huh? Yeah, Big Daddy. It's not like Bowser. It's not like Bowser and Donkey Kong or anything where it's like a character. It's more of just remember these enemies. You're like, I mean, yeah. Oh, no. They had General Ratic or Colonel Ratic from Killzone 2. Okay. You know the Big Daddy, did they have the Big Daddy you play as from Bioshock 2 or was it just a random Big Daddy? Oh, it was a Big Daddy of some sort. I don't know if it was the Big Daddy or anything. So I was going to say the problem with the one from Bioshock 2 is it's not as iconic a look. The Big Daddy that everyone knows, the look of it is the first one you encounter in Bioshock 2. And also, it's not a PlayStation. It was originally on Xbox 360. It didn't even come out in PS3, too. Oh, no. And then they had really weird, like, there were so many, because they didn't have Crash and Spyro, which was the big like, all right, guys, what's going on here? And then I think they had Dante from Devil May Cry, but they had him from the shit reboot instead of like the actual one that was on PS2 back in the day. The DMC, that one. Yeah, they had the DMC Devil May Cry Dante as opposed to Devil May Cry Dante, the one who everybody likes. Yeah, I've heard. I like that game, frankly. So did I. I thought it was hilarious, to be honest. I haven't heard it was a bad game. I've heard a lot of confusion from people wondering why they did the weird changes and stuff. The story sucks, but the gameplay is pretty fun. They had a Bill O'Reilly. So, like, the world is taken over by demons, and they have a Bill O'Reilly demon who is on, like, a news page. He does the news, and then you fight him in, like, an alternate dimension. Yeah. They're so precise. Plot's so over-the-top, and that character is such a ridiculous edgelord. It's so funny. He's such an asshole. Yeah, every cutscene he's in is just hilarious. And then I love how, like, Rod at the end of it was like, hey, I'm a bad guy now, and then you have to keep fighting this. It's just so stupid. Remember that part where he goes into the nightclub and he's asked to write his signature down? Yeah, then he punches you on it. He punches you on it. He writes his own. He writes his own. He writes his own. What an asshole. Then that's just, like, seen in the game. So, like, remember, you're meant to be the good guy. So the bad demon, his wife or his girlfriend's pregnant, and Virgil shoots her in the chest and then shoots her in the head. And it's like, wow, Virgil. Wow. And then later on, Dante's mocking the dude, like, oh, hey, we killed your kid. It's like, wow, you're the good guys. Like, you're the good guys. What are you doing? God, that was such a... And, finally, enough rags. They made Hellblade after that game. So it's a really interesting turn around. Oh, that was Ninja Theory, right? That was Ninja Theory, yeah. So it's kind of interesting how they turned that one around, didn't they? Have you played that, John, or? Which one? It's the newest Sacrifice, right? Yeah. No, I don't think I have. Have you played Soma? Yeah, I haven't finished it. But I'm really enjoying it. Yeah. Oh, wait, is it, like, recent? I haven't finished it. Yeah, fucking everyone should fucking finish it. I played it a few months ago, and then I stopped. I got kind of confused, and I kind of stopped playing. I did the kind of same thing with Panumbra as well. That's the same developer, isn't it? Yeah, frictional. It happens. It's okay. Frictional games, yeah. I don't hate you. It's fine. No, I was really enjoying... I just, I got caught up doing something else, but I really enjoy the atmosphere in those games. And just because a game doesn't have combat, like, I have nothing against that. Like, I love just exploring a rich environment. It is $3 on Steam right now. Everyone in chat, go buy it. Soma, $3. Go, go, go. Wow, that's really good. Get a day off, turn all the lights off, play through the whole thing, and then wonder about everything, basically. So were you going with the sort of Mario 64? They were, like, favorite game, or out of curiosity? Favorite game of all time? I think Majora's Mask is up there, as one of them. I remember what one of the biggest things that got me on the next generation was Vice City. It's like, I was aware of GTA III, I saw my friends playing it, and I was like, holy shit, this looks awesome. But then I saw Vice City, and I was just like, this game looks so ridiculously fucking fun. I have to get a PS2 now. I didn't have one yet. Yeah, some friends growing up who had Vice City on their Xbox, and it was one of those games that we always would take turns playing and doing crazy stuff, and it was wild, especially when you were younger and you didn't have as much of a, I guess, frame of reference for crazy stuff. Right. It was nice. Great. Yeah, I'd have to think about that more. Oh, yes, it's not an easy one to answer. Goes the same for old mediums, really. This is like, I don't want to choose between my kids. Yeah, because I've really, I've played a lot of games. You know how people call themselves gamers, but all they've played is like fucking Call of Duty Black Ops, and that's it. Yeah, Uncharted, and yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of games I'd have to consider. I think it gets harder as time goes on when it's just adding more and more in years since the first experience. Time for the harder question that I should have asked you to begin with, but I forgot. You don't get to ask qualifying questions, simply one or the other. Which is better? Christmas or Halloween? Um, hmm, I think Christmas. Yeah, boy. Yeah, boo. Yeah, Molo's the only one. That's, that's not to say. I'm not the only one. Halloween is bad. I'm, I'm very much a fan of all. Everyone loves Christmas the most and. Yeah, that's propaganda from the Chris Moids. I wish I could still go out trick-or-treating, but I'm too old now. Just like a fully grown adult, just like walking up to somebody's house, give me 10. Hey man, if they, if they manage to make and sell to the general public Iron Man suits, I'll be going out for Halloween. Yeah, I mean, I'd like that, uh, Spine, well, Spider-Man suit. I mean, see with my thing, I was like, because with the suit, I can fly and do stuff. And you're like with the Spider-Man, it's like, no, it's just Spider-Man's powers. I guess you want, right? The suit itself. Well, I mean, I don't know. You can, you can web people up and loot their house, you know? Yeah. Yeah. The door is just sticking to the wall. Wow, Franky. The stereotype comes out. Damn. Hey, what are you, hey, that's, that's offensive. Wow. You can't say that to me. Spider people. Like, where, where are you referring to? I don't know. No. I think green people, like green hooded people. That tends to be the, uh. Goblin people, if you will. Goblins. There's pesky goblins stringing people up. You don't laugh. No, it's not, you're not laughable. There's too many landmines to avoid. I don't know who I'm offending anymore. Feel like it. That's what it is. Like, you know, living in a modern political climate, you just teleported into the middle of a minefield. No one's going through nothing. And you're just barely jumping around. And then you jump and you hear a click and you just like, you know, it's like that Jimmy Fallon bit where he thought he was going to get canceled because he referred to that person as a drag queen. Yeah. What was he like? I'm not a drag queen. And you see his face just sink. He's so scared. Yeah. And it's like the person you've just pissed off with that one landmine throws you a spoon. It's like, don't do it again. But you're like, this doesn't. I pulled up the clip now just to look at his face. Yeah, you can see it. Oh, it's great. What a great world we live in where everybody's afraid of saying one thing. Yeah. In case it's somebody off. Yeah. That really makes me sad. I don't like it. Everybody's worried about saying the wrong thing. Nobody's allowed to be wrong anymore. Oh, God, no. Wrongness is not allowed. Yeah. So actually. What? Are you going to say something or? What? Well, it depends. What was your what are you going to ask? Well, I'm trying to think of like a few more sort of wrapping up questions, if you will, to bring around a circle. I was not. I was going to ask what's so other than I'll be in the chief. Are you like you got anything you're working on? Yeah, I got my podcast that I do. Oh, yeah. And I'm also developing your work. Yeah. Yeah. Podcast. Right, right. I want to do a video game review show. So I'm developing. I just finished making an intro for that. It's got this cool like VHS aesthetic. Oh, sweet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really proud of how it turned out. And yeah. So I want to do like a long form review thing that's intercut with some funny sketches and stuff. Right. And it just feels like I really like watching that kind of content. And I personally, I know a lot about games. Obviously, I've played a shitload of games across multiple generations. I know how they're made. You know, I've attempted game development in the past. Didn't really go anywhere. But it's something I know a lot about. And I feel like I could offer a valuable perspective on that. So I'm just like, why don't I make my own review show? So that's something I'm working on. Yeah, that sounds nifty. What's your, what's, when do you reckon that's going to be coming out? I'll just turn it off if that's fine. No, I was intending to do it this month. But I was having a whole bunch of ISP issues, which I recently got fixed. And but since I got it fixed, it's been like a week now. And I've been meaning to do like that and podcasting. But I just, I haven't for a while. I've just gone quiet because I've been really fucking like miserable the past week or so with everything going on in the world. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. Yeah. And I'm just like, I'm afraid of going on my podcast and saying the wrong thing. Dude, trust me, I get nervous constantly like, what's the stupid thing I'm gonna say today? Yeah. And so I just, I don't, I feel, I'm just like a ball of anxiety. I mean, I'm happy that we're doing this today because I feel like this is, this is making me feel a bit better like being on here, talking to you guys and enough so that I can probably stream on my own channel again in a day or two. Good to know they're like-minded people, right? We're all normal. Right, exactly, because it feels, it's very, I don't know, I've been feeling lately that like I'm on a fucking alien planet or something, you know, just like with this shit being shared on my Facebook feed. Oh yeah, stay away from that. Yeah, all the political stuff people are posting, I'm just like, holy shit. I sometimes wonder if I'm insane. I just wonder, just look at it, what's happening in the world. I'm like, am I like, am I not wrong? Like am I just completely nuts? Yeah, I mean, really, I mean, it's just now more than ever, I've felt like that before but never to this degree or I'm just like, holy fuck, I feel like I don't relate to anybody anymore. Like this, it's kind of maddening. But yeah, I'm feeling better today and it's partly thanks to you guys. So thank you for that. Thank you for having me. Oh, thank you for saying that. That's very kind. I'm glad we've been able to provide something like that. It's been a very chill conversation. Lots of nice little things I'm talking about. Totally, this has been great. I have, actually, I'm wondering, so I'll be in the chief will end eventually. What's, what do you reckon? Do you think you'd be wanting to make a new show after that? Like a new fiction show or movie or? I think so. I have actually an outline written for another hard justice season, believe it or not. Oh, right, okay. But I'm not, I'm not confirming that yet. It's just an idea I'm kicking around that I think would be cool. And one season eight of Arbina Chief is done. I don't think I'm done with the show because I'm still doing the bites episodes on the side and I really enjoy doing those and I feel like there's a never ending stream of things to make fun of in regard to the gaming industry. So yeah, I enjoy making those and I don't see me stopping making bites anytime soon. So season eight will end, but I'll still keep doing those because I genuinely enjoy making them and I like making people laugh. And one of the few highlights of my life is just going on my podcast and premiering a new episode that I made and then I get to enjoy it with everybody else and I get to see their reaction to it and you make me think about Batwoman. I think it's just that same thing. We do such a stupid thing. We're the internet's number one Batwoman fan community. Those episodes are catered for us. It feels like they're anti-content designed for us. They knew what they were doing when they made it. They had all of us in mind. Yeah. I got to check out this Batwoman. It sounds like a lull. It's hilarious. It is hilarious. Will, you could watch all of our reactions to Batwoman season one in full. If I was, I don't know. What episode do you reckon you should start with? Like what's the funniest reaction we've had? Honestly, it started at the beginning. Well, yeah. We'll do episode two with the car then the petrol tank. Is that episode two? If it is, yeah. Do that one. I think it is. Okay. Well, yeah. Fuck it. Start with one. Yeah, start with one. Go through them. There's no point skipping one episode in order to stop it. Yeah, it looks bad. I just I didn't start it because I'm just like, this feels... It is funny, dude. I feel like I'm not going to get compelled. It is so funny. To give you an example, right? There's this bad guy who steals stuff and she's escaping by climbing like a skyscraper and Batwoman is on the ground floor. She fires her grappling hook at this person and pulls her off the tower and she free falls into a shallow pool and survives. She's just like gets back up like, damn you. You foiled my plan. This is the funniest bit. How are you not dead? I think that might actually be filmed in Vancouver. Is it? Do you know? Yeah, it is. A lot of those shows are filmed in Vancouver. Like the CW shows. Yeah, I'm aware of a lot of mediocre shows that are filmed here in my city. How disappointing is that for you, just like knowing that all of these shows are getting foamed? Oh yeah, I have friends who are on the cruise of those shows. They're like grips or they work in set deck or whatever. And I know some actors who are in these local productions. Some of them are good. Some of them are not so good. But I think it's just a lot of it's just such lazy filmmaking where everything is in sloppy handheld medium shots. Well, yeah, they are making those shows quick. I don't believe they have long production per episode. Yeah. And it's just, it's so, it makes me really sad because there's like a lot of mediocre television productions made here and a lot of like hallmark movies, movies of the week type things. And people work their asses off on these movies. Yeah, like there's a big audience for them. Yeah. All those are safe. I know there's going to be a happy ending and things will be okay. I don't have to worry about when I watch it. Yeah, I don't doubt that the people are actually working on set or trying really hard. Really, a lot of the fault comes down to the writers. It's just, they go with thematically strong now because we mentioned this previously. It's all about that writing at the bottom at the foundational level. Writing is like the power amount of storytelling. If the script sucks, it can't be good. It just can't be good at all. I would say that, yeah, you are right. The next port of call, as far as I'm concerned anyway, once you get nail writing, it's like, can everything else fail and still be good? It's like acting is probably next on the run. Acting is the next one on the list. Do you fuck up acting completely? Well, for, yeah. Of course, I of course mean as well that they frame it so that the characters are seeable. Like I'm assuming that's the case. Like the worst kind of cinematography is usually passable. It's not, when was the last time you watched something and you went, wow, they didn't frame that correctly to the point of absurdity. Of course, the actor. It's very rare anyone fucks that up these days. There's so many things that need to be working simultaneously on all levels, like writing, directing, acting. And hopefully it all comes together into a quality product, but usually it doesn't. Writing is the one though that it has to be good in order for any of the others to even be functional. It's almost like they're multipliers. And if you multiply them by zero, you're not getting anything really. And it's just like, yeah, I mean, it looks pretty, I guess. That you're totally on the money there. Yeah, if the writing's fucked, the whole thing's fucked. So that has to be on point. For example, Game of Thrones season eight looks gorgeous. It's really well acted. And Soundtrack's fantastic. And you're like, so what's the only part that failed? Well, it's this one element that we talk about every once in a while called writing, unfortunately. Yeah. Well, I've kind of ruined my reputation by saying that I kind of liked it. I don't say it. Season eight. So everybody throws that back at me where it's just like, well, you said you like Game of Thrones season eight. You said you like the last Jedi. So I got to take everything you say with a grain of salt now. Maybe you're not the great writer we thought you were. Obviously. So we can't go in depth about what your thoughts are on. The Last of Us 2, The Last Jedi, The Sequel Trilogy, or a season eight Game of Thrones. But I assume you'd be willing to concede errors as opposed to being like, no. Oh, absolutely. There are parts of season eight that are very flawed. Like it's I think the themes are correct. Like the idea that power corrodes. And like that's that seems like a. That's the right theme to like have at like the end of the show. I don't I don't I would go into more detail here, but I don't want to spoil anything for anybody. You whether the audience are talking to despise season eight chat is filled with people who despise season eight. But the way I look at it is like a cake baked in a pan that's way too small. Like I feel like it could have been good. If it had like two or three seasons. Oh, for sure. Yeah, because where they take all these characters, they skipped way too much. Jamie Lannister not caring about the innocence. Like, oh, you got to work way harder to convince me of that. This whole time we were all under the assumption that he's very much invested in the innocent. Daenerys going nuts and killing several thousand families, including innocent women and children. Like, nah, she wouldn't do that. That's not going to happen. You have to do way better. Right. And obviously this applies to basically all of the characters. And that season they they just are you start gives up on a revenge plot after the entire show? Because what Sandor Clegane said? Hey, it doesn't do good stuff for you. Which doesn't even make sense because she's been really happy up to that point with how much revenge she's committed, which is a lot. Yeah, there's too much stuff happens way too quickly. They they they dropped the ball. Yeah, no, it's true. I think there's there's definitely a lot of blame to be set at the foot of those two show runners for saying that they only needed one more season when they clearly needed at least two at the very minimum to like button it up nicely. Like one is just not enough. That said, like there's there's so much production value in it. Like there's things that there's beats in the season that I that I love. Like there's a there's a particular beat with what's his name? Sandor Clegane that is so fucking cool. Like that almost like makes the season for me just that that beat alone. I don't want to say what it is. You probably know. I don't know if you've seen it, but you probably know. Like I said, people who are watching this right now probably know all of the spoilers because I made many videos. I say Betty Betty for me. I made three, I think. OK, so it's OK if if I go into. Yeah, you should be fine. I think most people here either know what it is or don't care about Game of Thrones whatsoever. Game of Thrones. Oh, people don't give a shit about Game of Thrones anymore. No, it's it's true. And that's kind of it makes me feel for the cast and crew. You know, it's like because the show was good for so long. And then it's like they missed they screwed up with season eight granted. But now it's like nobody ever talks about the show at all. That's the problem. The fuck up permeates through all of the older seasons now. You can't watch the older ones. They can't watch Daenerys' storyline without being like, I know where this goes. People don't really want to rewatch the show. That's what they did with the final season, which by the way is practically unprecedented. I don't even know that I've come across a TV show because I feel the same way. I want to rewatch it at some point. But like good Lord, I don't know how they managed to achieve that because usually you have like lost Dexter trying to what are like the famous examples of TV shows that ended in ways that people were very unsatisfied with. Sopranos is like a 50-50. Do you think Sopranos ended badly? I haven't seen it. Oh, he's saying that. I fucking love that show. Yeah. Well, the point I'm making, I guess, is that these shows still controversial ending, but people can still look back on it. Well, people still rewatch it. They still recommend it. Recommending Game of Thrones now is like, you're taking a position when you do that. It's like, wait, what are you trying to say? It's like, well, I don't know. You'll get some fun out of it. The interesting thing is that the last of us might become that in the eyes of a lot of people. Well, like it's not worth the first one now with the second one existing. Well, I think, well, I guess the problem is a lot of people will probably say you can probably just play the first one and then just stop there as opposed to Game of Thrones where you need to push through like the last. A lot of people say you stop at the end of season four. It's like a stop when the Lattice to Family has just experienced a major blow when the Stark family is still scattered throughout Westeros and the White Walkers are still out of their way. I'm just supposed to leave the show. It's like, trust me. I like that. Just nothing important happens in that period, you know. I think that it's doubly interesting when you consider that this is a show that had, it ran for what, eight years? Top world. It was influential as hell. It was everywhere. Top of the world. It was a cultural juggernaut. A huge icon of shows. Everyone talked about it. People who didn't watch it, heard about it all the time. It made, you know, spoilers as a thing, like a super, everyone became aware of it. Everyone knew about the show, and now it's like it never existed. Yeah. Like, that's insane. Yeah. I agree. That happens when you fuck your show off. They also, they pushed it to a limit where normal people were annoyed by it. I've told this story before, but my dentist hated the season. They felt the need to tell me. Well, I feel like that's what it's been for the last, the last couple of years is, you know, last Jedi game of thrones have been these weird moments where regular consumers of content who don't necessarily think a lot about the construction of a story or writing or anything, are noticing that something isn't working, that something's wrong. Whether or not they can articulate it in the most concise and detailed manner, you know, whether or not, like they can identify that there's a problem with the craft. Yeah. I just, I'm not willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater with Game of Thrones, because like there's just the battle of the bastards, for instance, is one of the greatest moments of television I've ever seen. All right, calm down. And so I thought it was really cool. I thought it was epic. It is really cool. I'll give you that. A lot of it don't make sense though. I don't know much about it. The hyperspace kamikaze is really cool. But that, you know, now, but they screwed up season eight, so it's just like that show is complete AIDS and cancer. Well, I mean, you know, you'll get AIDS. Hot take, but I thought pretty much everything past season four, episode nine is mostly garbage in Game of Thrones. I just hung around forever because I was incredibly attached to these characters, which a lot of them had survived up until that last season in terms of writing. But yeah, like as I take that, I'll have to take the good with the bad. It's just that season eight's writing was absolutely abhorrent. Also, yeah, I agree with someone in chat, hard home, I thought was better than the battle of the bastards. And that's season five. I saw them both, and I liked hard home better. It made a lot more sense. What one was that again? What happened? It's when the zombies attacked the wildlings. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was great. Getting the price right, yeah. I remember people saying when it came out that this show was officially supplanted walking dead because they've done zombies better than walking dead ever did. And I was just like, I agree. This is cool. I got to watch that again. I don't really remember it that well. It's they achieve being pretty scary. There's quite an ominous element with the horsemen are watching them as the zombies just pour over the wildlings. I shouldn't talk about it. I'm going to get passionate about how much I fucking loved that show once upon a time and how much potential it had. So disappointing. The zombies destroying the wildlings was like major foreshadowing in my head. I was like, this is what's going to happen but to Westeros. And of course, they don't care about the who cares about the wildlings. They're random people who live beyond the wall. But as soon as, you know, they get down south and all this squabbling over who gets to be king. That's going to become pretty fucking irrelevant pretty quickly. But I was wrong. They knock out the zombies at night and then it all becomes about squabbling over the fucking chair. And I was like, oh, you guys. That was. Talk about thematic destruction as far as I was concerned on that level. Like we could talk about how power corrupts, but holy shit, the point of the show being that like we need to work together overall. That's more important than deciding who's in charge. Like I really liked that idea. I thought it was very fundamental and something that a lot of us can really like draw from in terms of how it can be applied in real life in smaller circumstances. Not necessarily referring to like a presidency or a king, but just how we solve problems. And he squabbles. Yeah. And it was just like, nah, we stab the dude with a knife and he dies. I've got now interesting thing. I've seen a lot of people say that it's, it's, oh my God, how am I like, forget Martin, George R. R. Martin's fault that he didn't finish the story. So this is the direction that the series went because they had no source material to pull from. What do you think of that? Is it your fault? Nope. Like, I don't know. Ideally they should have waited because I feel like. Wow. They had more important things to do apparently. Yeah. Because I always thought it was weird how like those two show runners, they were going to like helm Star Wars going forward. And it's just like they were, they were bringing someone else's writing to the screen. Like I think in the early seasons they did a good job of that, but there's no evidence that they are good writers themselves and that they're disappointed enough to write. For example, the scenes between Tywin and Arya are all them. And this is the thing. I can believe that if someone was forced to make someone else's characters and writing come to life for many years, that they should have some understanding of these characters and thus should be able to almost make some scenes that are like, yeah, that was actually good shit or whatever else. But I think that I always thought it was more tied to the fact that they lost their passion for the show, the fact that they wanted to move on, the fact that HBO offered them everything they could want. And they were the ones who were like, no, not only do we want to cut down the seasons, we want to cut down the episodes. We want to get rid of this show. We're done. She was like, damn. That pisses me off. I agree. That's, that's a perfectly valid criticism. You better just pause on to someone else, you know? Absolutely. Please give us a people who fucking care about it. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, exactly. Pass it along to someone else. Because I don't really have a problem with them wanting to move on to something because they've done like at this point, seven seasons of the show. And it's just like, I can see how they're burnt out. You know what I mean? Someone just mentioned in chat. Enough already. They didn't even know how to pronounce Missandei's name. They said Miss and Die in an interview. Like, how the hell have you gone this long pronouncing your name Miss and Die? How the fuck did that happen? And the fact that they don't, oh, there were so many clips that are so cringy. Like they forget which characters, a POV characters, they were asked which one that was their favorite. All vice versa, like the opposite. And they got it wrong. Then of course, I'm assuming you heard about the infamous She Forgot About the Iron Fleet thing. Right. Yeah, I did. That's some peering in through the fiction right into the writer's notebook and just being disappointed. She forgot about it. Fuck you, man. This is the thing about like... I like the idea. Stalin forgot about the Central Army group. You don't know. That doesn't happen. As you can tell, I'm not happy about Game of Thrones Season 8. Okay. But I'm fine to enjoy all kinds of portions of it. I just... Yeah. I'm forgiving of things like particularly movies to a fault where I'm slow in the head in a lot of ways where I'll watch a piece of content and enjoy it on a surface level and leave smiling going, you know what? I kind of enjoyed that. If you have. And then I'll talk to other people and they'll be like, what the fuck? You actually like that? What about this plot beat that makes no fucking sense? And what about this? Which is totally against your character? And I'm just like, oh yeah, I guess that's a good point. Yeah. I do that. That happens to me a lot. And I'm sure there's a bunch of people in the chat now who think I'm a total fucking raving retard. No, I think that's... Whatever. I'm just being honest about how I felt about these things. And of course, your criticism is totally valid. I was going to say, if you have a three, two and a half hours ever, I have a video specifically about episode five, which is the episode I think killed the entire show. I go through all of the shit that I think is wrong with it. Oh wait. Hold on, which season are you talking about? Season eight. Season eight. Oh, okay, right. Okay. It's the one with... Yeah, I mean the end portion of my analysis is all about Daenerys and that's the biggest fuck up. But unfortunately, that wasn't the only fuck up of that episode. Yeah, Game of Thrones. Yeah, it's a shame how it was handled at the end there. Really annoying to hear that it wasn't even HBO. You know, HBO is willing to give them anything they wanted. You'd never expect that to be the case. Yeah, especially considering how much money it was bringing in and how much of a cultural icon it was. It's a rare case, so most TV shows go on longer than they should because the producers want more, more money, more, more, more, more, just give them more. This was a case where the producers were like, please just do more because not only do they want money, but like the story needs it desperately. It's like this husk that's got no water crawling across the floor. Please just give me a little bit more of the rise of like, eh, you only need six episodes, you'll be fine. Yeah. I have a similar feeling with Dexter. Well, I used to fucking love that show. And I thought season four was the peak of that show. I think that doesn't know how most people feel. I think so, right? I think so, yeah. John Lithko's season four, right? Yes, yeah, it is. I thought that was a great season from start to finish. And then it crashed with season five. And then season six, they tried to kind of make it better, but there are some good parts, some bad parts. And then season seven, the last one I think, or maybe it was season eight, but it was just a fucking train wreck at the end. And I was just like, god damn it. That's such a good show early on. And now it's tainted with this shit, just like season, like Game of Thrones is. And it's too bad. Yeah, it is a shame. You know, that's the risk. What those show runners should have, I think they had an obligation to see the show through to its end. And I think they cut it shorter than it should have been knowingly. It's insane to think about that. They could get, like if they, like in terms of future jobs that they would, you would look at season eight and what it did to the fandom and community and what it did to, you know, just the reception of it. And you know that they could still get a job all over the place doing like writing stuff despite all of that, you know. It is kind of insane hell. I mean, you look, we would talk about Batwoman, but you know, like how are you, how do you have such consistently insanely bad writer? Yeah, I'm actually excited to watch Batwoman now. Just the funny thing is, I feel like Batwoman is more culturally relevant now than Game of Thrones. Geez. Yeah, I love like so bad it's good movies and TV shows. Like I enjoy cringe and shlock. I've seen so much dog shit and I love it. Like there's great movies that I haven't seen, but I've seen almost every Steven Seagal movie. Oh man. I just get such a kick out of them. They're so funny. They are, that's tend to be really funny. That's sort of like 80s, 90s crappy movies. If you were going to recommend that we watch a Steven Seagal movie to like riff on it for EFAP, would you have a recommendation of one to take a look at? Maybe. Oh shit. There's, I can't remember the name of it. There's one with like an oil plant or something and I'm going to look up a list of Steven Seagal movies and see if I can find the name of it. I'm throwing Shadowgate there. I don't know, this might be too much for Chad even. Like this is going to be an obscure one probably. On Deadly Ground, that was one of them. On Deadly Ground. On Deadly Ground, 1994. So fucking funny. And to you, this is the peak so bad it's good stuff from Steven Seagal, is it? It's hard to say. Hang on, I'm just kind of scrubbing through all the Asian connections. I watched that recently, that's pretty funny. Yeah, I said if you want the biggest laughs out of how terrible it is. On Deadly Ground, certainly one of them. Marked for Death is another good one. Yeah, if you like so bad, they're good movies. And like they all, his character background is the same in like every movie where he's just like this ex-special forces guy who's put violence behind him that he's called back into action. It's like says here on your file, you were special ops. It's like, yeah, I put that behind me. It's like, we need you back in the game. It's like that's every fucking Steven Seagal movie. Liam Neeson moving, yeah. Yeah. Liam Neeson is never brought into it by a person. He's in the place where the thing happens. That's usually what happens. Or his daughter gets taken, either way. Yeah. So I was going to ask, do you have a preference when it comes to comedy and drama? Or do you find just you wouldn't want to pick between them, you want them both? Um, both. Oh, my. Well, you cut out there, what? Hello? Hello? Hello? Uh-oh. Is anything that has died? Oh, my goodness. The disnoids, they got to him. What are we going to do now? Well, I'm freaking, he's muted. So it's just you and I, right? So I want to talk about a game of Batwoman. The new show about a medieval Batwoman who devised to become the king of Batlania, about Wamania. Batlania, a matriarchy? A Batriarchy? I mean, if he's actually just randomly died, I guess, like, well, we can, you know what? He lasted longer than most casts do, but he went all the way to the end. He went until the internet was canceled His internet killed him. He didn't pay his internet bill because he was here talking with us for so long he forgot to pay his internet bill so they cut it off right in the middle of the podcast. So you're saying really it's chat's fault? Yes. Yes. I'm, yeah, okay. All right, yeah, well. I mean, Fringy is being really quiet over there. Yeah. So look at it. Look at, look at that guilty face. Yeah, he knows. He's looking at us with that face, like, don't tell them the truth. Don't tell him I did it. He knows what he did. Um. So far, it's been a nifty talk. He's a good guest. I like a guest who won't shut the fuck up. Fringy. Oh, I did. I just miss his, I just got back. No, he, well, he was in the middle of telling us about something and then it just dies. He said he liked, he really liked what he said. He said he liked the gas mask guy and the dog, but that third one, that green guy, he just went on and on and on and he couldn't take it anymore. No chemistry. Constant berating. Like oil and water. Yeah, I have to fish by mean. What do you mean? How is the truth mean? We're not being mean. We're lying. That's a form of mean. Oh, hello. So as long as he doesn't come back, we should be all right to. Oh, damn it. Oh shit. Here he is. Oh my goodness gracious. Hello. I'm sorry about that. I don't know what happened. It's okay. So anyway, you were saying, comedy and drama. Yes, comedy and drama. So I like the whole spectrum of human emotion. I don't discriminate. I don't think laughter is any less important than feeling an intense emotion of any other kind. That kind of ties into how comedies aren't as eligible for prestigious awards as like drama and stuff when I think comedies are just so important, you know. And a good example is like hot fuzz, you know. Hot fuzz is like incredible. It's never been nominated for anything. It's a fantastic fucking movie. It's like the script and just the pacing of it. It's just perfect. Yeah, I would argue every element of filmmaking in that pops. There's something to say about why it's good. Yes. This is something I actually meant to talk about earlier on in regard to like just starting Arby and the Chief. It was what taught me what satire was. And it's a show called Knowing Me, Knowing You with Alan Partridge. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. I'm not sure what I'm talking about. I fucking love that show. And I used to watch it as when I was really young is one of my earliest recollections of watching comedy. And I was kind of blown away by it because it's like a talk show format, but every episode ends in a complete disaster. And it took my it took me a while to wrap my head around the fact that it was meant to be that way. I was just like this talk show isn't going well at all. Why would they put this on tape? Why is this like why would they put this out there if it didn't work? And I'm really young talking about this, right? Obviously. So this is me just coming to terms with like, oh, they did it on purpose. And then I started realizing like, oh, I kind of get how satire works now. And then I realized like how you could weaponize it and you could use it to make actually make a point while being hilarious at the same time. Yeah. I learned how it was a very powerful persuasive tool where and it involves a lot of critical thinking because you're embodying your opposition and you are taking their logic to the breaking point where you point out the ultimate fallacy in their position. And I had a huge amount of respect for that. And that was one of the things that informed my creation of our being the chief was because it was a satirical portrayal of online gaming, right? Where chief was just this cartoonish version of hate and intolerance and impatience. And all just all the negative aspects of playing online that bugged me but also made me laugh as well. And yeah. So comedy has always been a really important part of my life and it's taught me how to like laugh at a lot of things in life day to day. Like I laugh a lot. I'm a very and I like to make other people laugh. And it's just I couldn't imagine living life any other way you know. It's yeah. Yeah. Agreed. I guess this is it's hard to figure out what exactly like how I can ask the question to get more of what I was sort of looking for which I guess it gets more to do with the writing then because if we've already agreed that like our being the chief has had a distinct comedy to drama the sort of necessary change over the comedy has remained. But the overall points of the season seem to be much more focused on like a dramatic point rather than just having fun. You know that's all it is. It's like actually now you want to make more points about it and stuff and it's just like do you find that I guess distilled down to it's like greatest form that comedy or drama has more of an effect on you or do you find that just both super important. I think they're both important and yeah you're right I took your question and I kind of went down an alternate route there because I remembered something from before. So sorry about that but yeah it's a constant tightrope that I'm walking. Definitely with the story seasons it's tricky because I'm taking these characters that everybody identifies as comedic and then I'm trying to tell a story that's like. Like Rick and Morty is trying it right now like with each of his seasons it's you can tell I'm not sure if you watch it but it's just like you can tell there's a tightrope as well it's the there are some episodes that are like quite impactful in terms of what they're saying about the events right now or a message but then there are some that are like oh is I not supposed to take any of that seriously oh okay that sort of thing. Right yeah there's some I try not to let the comedy come at the expense of the plot and like with the story seasons especially later with the later seasons and now the plot is to me is a little more important than the comedy but it's also important not to extinguish all the laughs either because they are I think they're inherently funny characters and I don't want to lose that especially chief but there are there are some instances in the plot where there will be a particular plot beat that's a satirical joke like in season eight for example the toys get into trouble with the tossers and they're put into internet jail which is like a it's like a prison cell on a map in Halo Reach and it makes no fucking sense but that's kind of the joke yeah the concept alone is what's making people laugh that's the hope right because what I'm saying there is that if you experience toxicity online you can always turn your console off at any time right and that's what the toys do of course to escape internet internet jail and then there's a whole the tosses are just like how did they escape like yeah like we had them secured in internet jail what the hell happened and it's like so the like the there's certain plot beats that are essentially entirely comedy beats you know what I mean like so but that doesn't happen all the time but sometimes I'll see an opportunity there where I can use satire as like a way of getting from one point to another in the plot and I feel like it kind of works maybe it maybe I'm wrong about that but I thought the beat about it you know having internet jail and the fact that the toys can just quit like if the if the plot was taken seriously you would think like okay the tossers must know that the toys can leave internet jail at any time this is totally stupid but like part of the joke and part of the plot is how deluded the tossers agents are yeah so this is why I have audio commentary so people don't get upset that you didn't notice stuff like this you're like no no it's on purpose right yeah so it's it's a tight rope I it's all carefully considered though if if and if a joke is if it's funny enough or I mean that's not enough it's not enough for it to just be really funny to sacrifice the integrity of the plot in most cases but if like it's a satirical if I'm making a satirical statement with it I feel like that's enough sometimes at the internet jail being probably the best example I can think of I think it's a careful tight rope I think because um well this this Barry Moller do you want to talk about Barry or uh I mean if you want to I mean that was at the show with uh Bill Hader well yeah because that's a show where like um it's a comedy and a drama and I think the conclusion we were coming to was that the comedy was like legitimately undermining the drama at some points um and it's kind of like the whole idea of there's a real balancing act um of of like you know because because a lot of the time comedy is that doesn't make sense that's really funny I mean Simpsons does it constantly but Simpsons obviously gets away with a lot more because it's a cartoon and also it's a focus on comedy but if you're like one drama drama also kind of almost needs to be contingent on things making sense and a lot of what comedy is is it is nonsense well it's yeah it's insane how how many different degrees of all of this there are how many different types of this are all because um there are some shows that you automatically describe as comedy or drama despite having both in them or or combos but then like so that's like what's the most serious drama you can think of it's like one of them is like I guess like breaking bad sort of you know like yeah but they have lots of dark humor like the the disposal of the body in the bath and it slabs through the ceiling and blood and guts splatter everywhere and waltz is just like really you just you just fuck this up this much and it's like funny and it shouldn't be well it's that kind of humor right like a blackadder a lot of this where it would just be especially in uh goes forth where it's it's like randomly harshly commenting on how a couple of pairs you'll be lit up like a christmas tree yeah um but but even even blackadder there was like there's some stuff that were like actually uh because of the way the season ends they're like we're gonna take a serious note on this we're not actually gonna make it a joke the people who went over the top and died in world one that was actually something that was really harsh and horrible right that's an interesting point yeah uh breaking bad is a good example and also uh the sopranos is a great example of how comedy can come organically from a really grounded plot you know just just because a show is funny that doesn't mean you're sacrificing the integrity of the plot like to me the sopranos it's not classified as a comedy but it's one of the funniest fucking shows i've ever seen and it's funny because the characters are funny and the truth of their day-to-day lives and situations is funny the way they deal with it is funny and so just because you have comedy in a show doesn't mean you're undermining the plot necessarily but the the comedy needs to come organically from the situation like break the breaking bad thing with like the the bathtub the acid melting through the floor like that's a great it's like a comedy beat but it makes for all we know when they wrote it it was to supply them you know a problem to overcome that totally makes sense within jesse's character that makes sense and then maybe when they were constructing it like actually this could work as like if we film it right and if we deliver it you know like tonally in a way that's ambiguous enough because despite it being flesh and bone and blood flying through the ceiling it's like if we do it right this could be taken quite funny because it kind of is right yeah uh yeah that's um tough to nail that thing yeah that's the kind of comedy i would hope to like to have in my show but it's it's such a fucking hard line to walk and it's i still struggle with it like even writing scripts i think it's like episode two or something but uh blackout is on the phone with um oh the the guy is the guy in charge i really can't remember the name um i can't remember but uh he's talking to him about how he doesn't want to go over the over the top and the guy has a little deep and fry right no no it's um he's only in the one only no it's it's the guy is a guy above those two he's on the phone with him um what was hey i think it'll hey yeah yeah so he's talking to hey and he's got this this set of like the trenches on the no man's land and he just has a bunch of little like uh toy soldiers representing his side and he's like put them there and as he's talking to black outer he just starts brushing them off into a dustpan and puts them in the bed like he already knows that's going to happen to them but it's just you know the thing with those shows having the audience laugh in the background as they do right a lot of people wouldn't even have known that was a joke at the time unless the audience had reacted to it because you just he's talking about something else is happening in this scene he's he brushes something off a table you don't even know the joke is that that's how much he doesn't give a fuck about all the soldiers and that's that's horrible to think about but also kind of funny it's just like wow that is a balancing act right there that's not easy yeah that's another good point about the the role that comedy plays in life and you can find laughs even in the most dark times and that's it's kind of a defense mechanism sometimes you have to laugh and oh for sure yeah bleakest moments you know because otherwise you'll go insane if you don't learn how to laugh and um yeah but i i'm a big lover of um black comedy you know it's just like uh like medea um is that a tyler perry thing yeah or oh no i know what you mean yes no no i mean uh just um comedy in comedy of color bleakness and darkness all right yeah and um it's that i think that's where comedy is at its most useful you know yeah is is getting people out of fits of depression or whatever like sometimes you got to laugh at the most darkest moments and i i love stand watching stand-up comedy that's like brutal you know oh it'll just yeah i fucking i can't get enough of that stuff yeah it's kind of ruined the rest of stand-up comedy for me because usually i watch stand-up and i'm just like this is too tame i need something more hardcore than this yeah almost sometimes too wholesome as well like the joke is like yeah that's kind of nice you're like yeah i also do notice that about the bus have you ever noticed i like how that's just you know that's basically just um seinfeld's brand of comedy though even he's considered controversial now how nuts is that oh yeah do you guys know a comedian called frankie boil yes i fucking love that guy i think he's so funny and in his third stand-up special he has a he has a bit called michael jackson's children's hospital and it is one of the funniest fucking the first time i heard it i was crying laughing but it's so it's horrific the paint the painting that he picked that he picked the picture that he paints for the audience is just horrific but and it was taking something because i'm a big michael jackson fan whether he did what he did or he didn't i don't know i don't really want to get into that but it's it's kind of besides the point anyway like frank frankie assumes that he did what he did at least for the sake of the joke it's about michael jackson's on his deathbed and he was recorded he was recorded saying he's gonna build a children's hospital the biggest children's hospital in the world and he's kind of his voice is very weak and it sounds really strange his voice is strange because he was just on his last breath right so it was very sad but then frankie says i don't think that was even his voice i think that was the the voice of the pedophile demon who controlled his soul wow demon and then he he goes into this like a few minutes long rant where he personifies the pedophile demon in michael jackson where he's like i'm gonna build a children's hospital and it was he's like i won't get into it but like it's just it's just this horrific picture that he paints and uh it was taking this idea this positive image of michael jackson that i had and just doing a complete 180 of it and just twisting it into the most horrific thing possible and there's something about that that i found so ridiculously funny and it was kind of an eye-opening moment for me where it's just like you can they made something so twisted really really funny like how did he do that that just fascinated me and uh there's been a few moments in comedy for me like that where i'm just like oh you can find you can get big laughs out of like the bleakest shit sometimes you know absolutely yeah yeah i agree i mean i think uh i've heard of being described like that tragedy is first person comedy is third person i think that's a you know i think there's a lot of truth to that yeah it's not happening to you it's like oh that's funny heard of it's happening to you then it's like oh this sucks right yeah and when i realized when i was laughing at such dark humor i then kind of realized like okay there's certain things that when you're laughing at something there's a certain thing there's a there's a target of a joke and a subject and the subject matter of a joke right and just because like it's like if you tell a joke about the holocaust or something just because the holocaust is the subject matter it doesn't mean that you're targeting the victims of the holocaust right no but yeah but you can tell a joke where something horrific is the subject matter like 9-11's another example right people have told jokes that involve horrific things like that and they've been funny but it's specifically because they aren't the target of the joke the target is something else usually it's just some individual who's made the wrong choices or something or i don't know but the subject matter and the target are not the same thing and uh yeah that was a learning experience for me too um i suppose uh there was no video coverage this e-fap but there was one uh one clip that is with the four of us seeing the four of us have probably already seen it because it was spreading around twitter in relation to um video game journalism as you call it reviews oh yeah um and i just think it could be fun to watch before we uh well consider moving to any other kind of section of this wonderful podcast i'm just gonna send you i don't know if you know how uh watched together does or does not work you just hit the old link and you'll jump into a little room with all of us and you can control your own volume but the pause button is shared by all of us uh oh this will only be like oh i've seen other streamers use this i never this is my first time actually seeing this how this works this is cool okay um is everybody in uh yeah i i think so we're missing my right now yeah it's loading up there we go all right so been uncharacteristically slow you all may have heard about this and or seen it but um ign no wait game spot sorry reviewed spongebob squib pants battle for bikini bottom rehydrated and oh my god and we're just gonna watch the opening like 30 seconds so it's just funny okay i'm michael hyam reading for reviewer funke joseph nearing the end of spongebob's journey under the sea you're tasked with guiding a ball through a giant loop goldberg's like you what sounds like cool can no it just can the people watching see the video feed yes is and oh okay don't worry they're along for the ride with us interesting right sure doesn't mean man's lair once you activate the machine you have to match the ball's painstakingly slow speed while using spongebob's arsenal of bubble abilities to make sure it doesn't fall over it's a simple task and concept but trying to execute it is some of the most unfun and sisyphean gameplay and recent memory in one set i know it's a sissy i love referencing sisyphus in your spongebob review it's fucking brilliant that's not even the reason i put this clip on but that's fantastic but who people aren't no one's gonna know it's this it's it's just i know this word yeah i need you to know that i know this word yeah is there a particular controversy surrounding this video yes we're about to see the frame you'll see if you if you don't recognize the frame then this will be new to you but he's about to criticize a puzzle let's uh let's watch task and concept but trying to execute it is some of the most unfun and sisyphean gameplay and recent memory sounds just like you in one section of the puzzle all you need to do is stand on a button and that button opens a gate for you to bowl a bubble into so you can progress the only problem is that during spongebob's wind up animation for bowling he walks forward that means you fall off of the button which closes the gate and that's it everybody's like just stand back fit what's wrong with you oh god this is like the cuphead thing yeah oh it's so fucking funny just stand fit back i i can't believe that this this is first i had to check so this has four hundred and sixty five up votes it has twelve thousand three hundred seventy eight down votes but a fucking spongebob square pants video game review there's something these are the puzzles in this spongebob game were too hard like this game girl this scenario to me is just just amusing as hell like they tried to review a kids game they fucked it up so much that it pissed off the entire internet like geez yeah that's that's basically it i just think that's so funny it's like this is the kind of shit they would do in portal your standard puzzle that's like hey you need to do this to do this but it does that so what are you gonna do and he's like that's a flaw how do these are if you're a professional video game journalist and like and you can how do you get this job like what's the what's the hiring process what what questions do they ask you at your interview for reviewing video games okay so have you played spongebob square fans battle for bikini bottom and if so how how practiced are you in taking a couple of steps back so that you can just get the like just take a few steps back i don't understand why this is oh okay it's fascinating this is a fascinating review let's just if it was like yeah I'm just gonna roll it back and let it play again since it's funny shit animation for bowling he walks forward that means you fall off of the gate and prevents you from bowling the bubble where do you intended when you intended these kinds of gameplay barricades are common barricades through barricades they called they called challenges i'm just like barricade that is fucking incredible that just lets me beat the game i tried to throw it into the thing but there's this fan that prevents me every other second from getting it in what is this about i don't understand you broke it it's true that too many of these people suck at video games it's fucking unreal i don't know how they get these jobs no it is insane baffling um but yeah i did watch this whole review there's not he says like the game isn't hard enough and a lot of people are ripping on him for like you know saying like why does the the game meant for children have to be like fucking doxels or some shit but it's all it's dark still some sponge bar here i like this a comment says games are supposed to punish the player for being bad yet this game feels like it's constantly punishing for no reason that's fantastic game punishing me it's only supposed to punish bad players yeah yeah it's kind of it's kind of incredible isn't it it's like so yeah but i don't know i just i figured that would be we wanted to play that clip which is where we did success wow funny that really brightened my day like something about my self-esteem is just oh man what i understand uh this rehydrated battle for bikini bottom has been very controversial because all of the reviews that are coming out like apparently ign had a really bad review for it as well and everybody's just talking about how it's actually a really good game so it's kind of interesting that did the developers say that they like trump or something like that well the funny thing is i looked it up on metacritic the critic score is 67 the user score is 9.1 really wow shit yeah apparently battle for bikini bottom be a really good game oh my god well the problem is a lot of people played it in the in the good old childhood so you gotta be real careful because uh the especially i mean if you're dealing with that like you watch this review and it's like shitting on the game the first thing it says is the puzzles doesn't do the work properly you're like oh yeah kind of put you off right from the start doesn't it yeah but yeah that's um that's kind of it so the the plan i guess now is uh to answer the super chats which is the standard time where rags and i offer the guests if they wish to to stay or go it's completely up to you were they not allowed to go before no nope you're an internet jail yeah right i see i see either of you are welcome to answer at any point i don't have a cigarette oh for a little while anyway yeah oh you're talking about me and the other guys i'm i'm totally down to stay yeah absolutely right for some reason i thought you were talking about the viewers yeah i realized oh he means me and the other guys like yeah i'm totally down to stay all right so yeah just i'm going to read out the super chats chronological orders some of them i think we'll be addressing what we've been talking about to you directly and some just going to be memes so you may not understand a lot of them but that's fine so first one just says the best or crossovers i think they meant the best of all crossovers i'm gonna get i don't know yes hello all my ewok words hello there there was one in between those that got deleted just says message deleted so sorry about that assuming they didn't do it themselves this one says john lalalalalalalala yep i'm used to that yeah i'm gonna go ahead and guess that's something you hear a lot actually yeah um i remember when john cjg was digital fear wow i'm old yep we all do it's okay we're all old that's still my it's still the easiest way to look me up on youtube either you type in john graham or digital fear and my channel comes up soon yep never never going away stuck with it for the rest of my natural whoa should put more thought into it when i wanted to play return to castle we'll guess the main problem is if you ever create an internet handle you just you can't have it be easily substitutable for gay or queer yes that was a very big mistake on my channel yeah yeah it's digital queer in fairness you got wrecked okay fags gonna take my horse to the old town glue factory elmer's gang you can turn the horse into i sponsored a racehorse once why named her a purina all right well i mean i'm sure some people will appreciate that however we'll look and move right along even no need to dwell on that fringy please say the n word you know which one did i already did you got it that's fine uh hello there magzler mary for the win mary for the win we referencing batwoman short oh maybe i mean mary's all right yeah she's she's not as insufferable as the rest sometimes well whatever that means yeah a lot of home she is um thoughts on indiana jones trilogy we don't talk about the fourth one uh oh it's great yeah big fan of all three favorite is probably the third all three yeah yeah i love them i need to rewatch him sometime it's been ages since i've seen them e-fat movies indiana jones hooray i think the third one is my favorite but uh that's not i think that's the popular i've never not loved the uh dynamic between harrison ford and shawne carnery's wonderful yeah it's terrific yeah i love that beat at the end where he's like he's in the chasm he's reaching for the grail it's like i almost got it and uh shawne carnery's like junia junia or no and he says in indiana yeah let it go yeah let it go yeah that's good shit it's fucking great yeah my diary junia junia uh this is a unicorn uh emoji wonderful what's up my good b word so many so many letter words at this point it's hard to keep track okay hello hello massives hi rags hello good to see you e-fap uh good to see you i guess that's supposed to be good to see you on e-fap john uh love your content ever since middle school hey awesome um the last of us two story is bad tizm so um like yeah like again the reason why we're not talking about it yet is because i'm assuming the the things that may or may not happen in it are gonna be things that people in e-fap chat are probably gonna want me to react to like for the first time in the game that's why i'm trying to avoid the whole spoilers and once you get that you'll also get us talking about it possibly for more than one e-fap because there's already several videos we've been sent because people were like please watch these please they're just like all right chill out i gotta play it first so we'll get there um hello all my know words fringies life matters green man good heart hello i'm just looking at fringies icon that's his that's his whole feel right now like what's that i didn't i didn't that makes it even better we are just talking about alpacas yeah uh okay damn it i never get to catch these live and now i have to go to sleep keep it up long man absolutely yet um oh yeah a lot of people want me to play pikmin right i guess i yeah i didn't finish it it's true okay well i'll i'll try and get that going while i'm carrying on um hello all my n words hi rags hello hello uh hello rags and oh wo rag hey wo hi crew awesome guest but i have a barbeque oh well i just like the way that that's worded hey cool i got things to do i got a barbeque to fuck off alright jeez uh where are we uh rags you should look into canadian may firearm ban and how bad it is look into the gabriel wortman too that was the cause do you want to paste that to you or yeah go ahead and do that because i don't know all of those words but there's some some space age stuff um i've made an e-fab network in titanfall 2 on pc if anyone's interested just look up e-fab in the network search oh there you go i might do that um um the true toa norva returns yes norva um what was the deal with someone taking over obby and the chief and making it horribly unfunny was a big fan up until that point movie included oh oh that's uh arby and the chief in la he's talked about that i assume yeah so um horribly yeah i actually forgot about the movies because there's the movie and then there's end game and then there's six yeah it was split into six parts and you used a lot of cool legit music in that and now yes yeah lots of confor tracks yeah i fucking i love the music in that game i think it's i think it's pretty good too and what was it um but what was the name of the guy scott wasn't the the coke the two it's just oh yeah so yeah the toys get a roommate called scott and uh he's like this cocaine addict uh who just smokes so shitload of cigarettes and jack's off and and uh i can't i can't forget what function he played in this story to be honest he was the villain i think yeah and then there was agent smirnoff who was this russian dude who just yeah he was played by a good friend of mine who just had this like trench coat and this like kind of russian armband and he had this just funny russian character that i wanted to incorporate in the show just because i thought the character is funny it didn't serve us any kind of theme like those those aren't meant to be taken nearly as seriously as like season five six or seven they were just you know me having fun you know doing shit that i uh that i thought was funny and uh those were fun to make it was a bit of a grueling process because um arby and the chief the movie that was made specifically for a screening event in vancouver that happened it was called rvb can west red versus blue and um as in western canada and it was uh it was an event in vancouver for red versus blue fans to like meet up and watch promotional stuff from rooster teeth like promoting their new season or whatever else they were working on and then uh other people who lived local in vancouver to show off their machinima projects and then i was one of them and i remember that was really stressful for me because that was the first time that i premiered something in person right and i made this half-hour movie that uh i don't know if people like it i mean i think i think it's kind of it has its moments but i like that movie i like the um oh thank you introduction sequence with the uh play pretend like um video game thing right yeah i had a good time making it although it was like to meet the deadline it was a really rushed production and just throwing it all together in editing towards the end was really rough we were on no sleep and um i remember being so stressed out during the screening just because it was like a audience of like a hundred people or something or maybe not almost a hundred and uh i was just really nervous i was outside chain smoking cigarettes because i didn't i was just worried about everybody was gonna hate it and like but as usual i just it's just kind of the negativity kind of blew up out of proportion in my head and it wasn't it went down really well and people were really people really enjoyed it they got a bunch of laughs out of it and people were compliment complimenting me after the show and it was a really it was a nice it was a nice time yeah that's good shit man i think this is a performance anxiety but for a thing that's already created like please don't right yeah and it's just watching us uh move that thing that you made and with a theater full of people i'm just anytime a joke doesn't land i'm just like sinking in my chair going oh Christ like just cringing so hard my spine's about to fucking break see that's the great thing with youtube is that you don't need to know if they did laugh at that particular joke or not just imagine they did right it'll be fine yeah so with them pesky live audiences hate those the worst yeah except ours they're great they're great in which case so this just this just says outer wilds i think we're starting to get a regular who keeps saying that i guess they want us to get out of wilds so is is that a game that is a game a plot yeah outer wilds is a game people keep recommending which i mean maybe that means i need to give it a look and give it a shot just been on my normal rotation binge i guess uh right yay birthday e-fap at 25 years of age i'm an old man yeah pretty much 25 is uh that's that's late in the game it's all over at that point no more fun and no one here is disagreeing so that must mean it's true bastard stop streaming right as i have to go to a birthday party ah it's okay i'll see it at some point also if i recorded an e-fap parody cover song for the hundredth fap would you show it um assuming it doesn't break to us or copyright should be right yeah yeah yeah i'm not against that make it really funny and we just warned about how live chat just the worst i worry about that shit on my stream all the time people want me to watch stuff live and i'm just like okay what's in this language it's gonna get me fucking banned is there giant dicks in it like what am i in for can only hope so people want my live reactions but like i i'm really want to screen this shit before i air anything live right yeah so that's funny we we we don't screen most of the shit we show and then we end up getting hit with copyright claims and stuff with which doesn't even make sense like some of the videos we cover get away with it but that we don't it's like but we're breaking it up even more than it was so i don't know that works but all right right transformative free tisms as if yeah it's all very complicated um a more worst it's been it's like a copyright thing though so yeah you want sorry like when it comes to people wanting me to watch stuff like the worst it's happened it's just like copyright claims it's like people use like like me using call of duty music for like arby and the chief yeah end game yeah so it's been pretty good yeah you think it wouldn't be that bad right and most of the time we still i don't think eve has ever gotten a strike which is kind of amazing honestly wow yeah you'd think we would have by now three clues we'll have our first eventually i'm sure of it hey muller i wanted to apologize for spoiling a big plot point in the last of us two in last week's video the question was meant for weekend warrior who i assumed played through the game already hopefully it doesn't ruin the experience too much when you play it i'm not even 100% sure of what one it was i am definitely if you give a super chat like surely you know that i'm gonna read it yeah right like i'm so i don't know who's meant for weekend warrior to read it it was meant for somebody else to read not you when you read it to him don't read it all right just just say it aloud but don't pay attention uh i still use the term tell him you have super cancer every so often thanks for the last bad oh yeah that's that was a highlight mega eight horizon zero dawn is coming to pc also high rags hello horizon zero dawn hey moles i'm making a grand meme for efap 100 was the best place i can post it so you can find it that would be discord is the best one and the efap meme section second best is probably the subreddit third best is twitter and if none of those work i don't really have a meme depository that uh people can use i'm afraid hopefully that's good enough well this is 50 pickman i don't believe it should have gotten more damn it um more favorite characters from the wire i have unfortunately not seen the wire we we're gonna watch it though that is the plan after uh the bojack right bojack yeah there you go i'll have seen more cool shows for cool people by then okay people i watched the first season of the wire and a bit of the second season and it's it's really good but it's moved so fucking slowly it is a slow pace show because i got partway through season one and uh yeah it's it's got quite a slow pace yeah fringy say the line i already did loved watching hobby in the chief back in middle school loved watching machinima videos back when they were still popular to do yeah man so i feel like most people know about it if they've been on the internet since that era at the very least yeah i highly recommend it as like a tool for familiarizing yourself with the process of filmmaking there's a lot of skills that you develop doing machinima that you can carry over into live action like you learn how to be economic with like okay i'll start with my wide shot and then move in for coverage you know it just you you learn kind of a lot of shortcuts that you can like not in a way that you're compromising the quality of the product but just like you save yourself a lot of time yeah and uh the the process of making machinima there's a lot of overlap with live action production i know that's might be hard to imagine but it's just you know when comes to the block light rehearse shoot thing that applies that's exactly the same for machinima just like it is it's just like there's a few steps obviously you don't have to take in the case of machinima where you don't you don't have to light the scene or rehearse it but um it's just there's a lot of there's a lot of overlap there and it's like i've i've learned like i i did a lot of machinima making before i went to film school and i realized like a lot of the skills that i developed i could carry over into making short films where it's just like no we we gotta start with our wide shot and then we'll move in and uh and then you know just like editing as well all the things i learned about editing video and sound design like i was able to carry that over to live action so if you're interested in filmmaking and you want it you want like an easy low budget way of teaching yourself how to do it like just try making a machinima movie with a video game whether it's halo or something else is there um is the ability to do that with with uh master chief collection possible yet or no i try to go on halo 2 anniversary on xbox though not on pc i don't think yeah i've just been focused on reach so much i haven't really took taken a dive into the the options for that in master chief collection halo 5 has like a machinima mode specific it's named that and you can put like a green screen object it like there's a forge mode and you can place like a green screen box and so like like they they put some filmmaking assets in the game itself that you can toy around with i thought that was pretty cool yeah but there's just something about the aesthetic of that game that i feel works a lot better like because uh halo 5 is like super 60 frames per second and there's no elite characters and uh i don't know i just i feel like reach works a lot better for me halo 5 also probably doesn't have maps that work well for machinima because they were like arena maps and in closed spaces is a really big environment and things like that yeah reach thinking that halo maps prior to four and five especially were real places like real you could go there and there were things that happened yeah reach has a real filmic quality to it i think i think more so than any other halo game like it's it's cinematic and i think that kind of is a is because of the story it's telling like the the grim plot of like of sacrifice that is like rogue one yeah i could i could definitely say you could connect those yeah lord will really love that aspect of rogue one just the fact that they'll die just like yeah mola my dad and i bought a 1927 thompson smg we're picking it up next month and i remember you mentioning a video about them that you liked where can i find it and high rags hello and you are very lucky very very lucky to be able to purchase that sort of thing it must be very very expensive i was like super rare well super legal but no not super legal you have to do a lot of paperwork to a lot of paperwork to be able to get them but the big prohibiting aspect is generally the cost automatic there select fire firearms that are transferable under the the very expensive very very expensive some far more than others but thompson's they tend to be collector's items for a lot of people obvious historical reasons they're very standout very iconic so the demand is often very high for them and they can be very expensive yeah so the video will probably be from xbox ahoy or retro ahoy or ahoy i think is just what he goes by he if you just type ahoy thompson you probably find it but it's just a cool video to explain why it has the reputation it has and then I think how it worked and why it was made good stuff stop pronouncing it H like H it's H silly british also hello raggled hello I pronounce what I want the way I want and you can't do nothing to boot it yeah what if the queen I'll I'll yeah I'll do it then if she says yeah yeah absolutely she is the queen defying the queen like why would you do that why it's it's physical rude yeah jesus christ no no the queen jesus christ is a different one he's we have a queen's ring hi moeller and rags hello can hello can one of you say just us and the other one responds with yeah like he's extremely pissed what just us now you have to do the other one yeah that's all I got I don't know what the fuck's happening in this super chat it ends with xd so uh hopefully we nailed it hello roler and guests hello hey also hi mags haha hello carrying over memes there I know where that came from chewy or crunchy chips crunchy yeah crunchy well so a lot of people probably haven't had a lot of chewy chips are definitely not the more common one but I've had some when I was uh hiking to new Mexico once I had a lot of these like apple like slightly mostly dehydrated apples and they were kind of chewy but they were really good and those were great I really like those over yummy but um yeah I'm I'm a I'm I'm a crunchy chip kind of guy no wait is or is he referring to cookies I think you're probably referring to cookies because he said chips and I know that over in backwards land your chips are our cookies you mean from woodland makes more sense what are you talking about no no crisps no no okay so Chris wait why did you say cookies if you meant that Chris no chips yeah yeah cookies cookies cookies never changed Rex what what do you call chips you call chips something right they're crisps chips chips that you call them crisps we call them chips no I don't call them crisps we call them chips and I thought that chips was like British okay so so you you know like Pringles that chips yeah right we call those chips yes but we also call what you call french fries chips as well oh my god is this true that means all three of us have a different category well because we have fish and chips that's still like yeah I was gonna say for us all crisps are crisps potato chips that are that are fried preserved ready in packets yeah they're crisps for us chips are like this is fucking pointless talking about so when they ask that they really meant like well so the full thing says potato chip chewy or crunchy chips are high I prefer chewy oh chips ahoy is a kind of cookie so yeah chewy I prefer chewy chew yeah if we're talking about cookies chewy for sure all right well I'm glad we got that that was very important to discuss I'm glad we got that out of the way yeah get all your chewy cookies ready for eFAP 100 long man every video on moola past eFAP 84 has not been put in their proper playlist yet just a friendly reminder do that sometime in the future I will get on that I do sometimes forget thank you please invite it's a Gundam on eFAP I'm okay with that sure yeah sure could be fun hey molla it's been a while I know it must be hard to constantly defend MCU Spidey on Twitter unfortunately some Spider-Man fans artism also could we hear your updated MCU film ranking oh it's kind of hard to yeah like list it all the update vision is just good for eFAP 100 oh yeah we could we could do the little game thing I guess yeah 100 did you guys like the Spider-Man the new Spider-Man movie we are big fans of the new Spider-Man it was much coming yeah I like them masterpiece here yeah yeah I'm cool with from home but I really like homecoming homecoming homecoming is I mean vulture is like the best villain in the MCU as far as I'm concerned yeah he's great how do you think they compare to the rainy Spider-Man movie uh I think that he stacks up very well against Doc Ock it's kind of hard to pick between those two but I think uh I think vulture is pretty fantastic right yeah I mean there's so much that works about him for one he was created by the Avengers and the Avengers activities feed into what he does and inform why he does what he does and he has a lot in common with Peter in the sense that they are both just on the ground under dog types yes and they were both created by the Avengers they're both created by the Avengers exactly and also this is the fun little nifty thing that I think more were found out vulture's theme is an inversion of the Avengers theme it's like the same song but inverted basically and it's like that's so that's so cool man that's that's so cool yeah that's awesome they carried the same thing over to our Mysterio how like his theme if you change the key signature it goes from heroic to sinister it's just some really clever stuff yeah because like with vulture's I think when it's heroic it's like bam bam dan oh wait no I'm mixing up you mean mysterious the villain of the fun is really cool yeah yeah it's just this is some really clever things and like it's funny because a lot of people shit on music in the MCU but these new spider-man films they got some like musical um they got some recurring musical tracks like spider-man's got a new theme now that they use yeah it's good shit I like these movies a lot I do too and I really like Tom Holland as Peter Parker I like him a lot too yeah I find his performance in the movies is a little too giddy and like the dialogue is very fast and sometimes the scenes can be a little too like on the playful banter side where it doesn't feel organic but I do like the movies but spider-man 2 in the Raimi trilogy is still I think my favorite one I think that's a bad choice yeah third one's a fucking disaster oh yeah no yes totally what a what a shitty film anyone who thinks otherwise that's fucking wrong dude I I was going to that movie with my friend to the theater and he said I'll bet you five bucks this movie is a piece of shit and I said you're you're on this movie's gonna have venom in it it can't be a piece of shit and also this spider-man 2 is fucking awesome so I think this will be good and then I watched it and my by the time it got to the Peter Parker dancing scene my face was in my fucking pants oh no no what are they doing it's so bad that they carried it into the spider-verse that's how every death you've seen was yeah she's in that movie yeah it's too too many elements I don't know why they didn't just settle on one villain it was stupid well the interesting story behind that one is that Abby Aaron one of the producers said to Sam Raimi you've got to do venom and instead of like because he wanted to do Sandman and but he still wanted to do Sandman so he just did all three that was the wrong decision and I think it's an interesting discussion of even if a producer imposes these obligations on you maybe like don't make that decision you know well it's what people say about they're like TLJ is only bad because of what TFA did to it as a setup it's like no TLJ fucked up all on its own it didn't it can't blame it all on TFA and even if even if you're a sequel to a really bad thing it's like even if you can still try kind of give up I don't think there's any reason to assume that just because a producer told you to do something that you couldn't find a way to make it work you know like it'll be harder and maybe it's preferable that we don't have producers saying you must put venom in the film but the idea that it was doomed from the start I don't think is I don't think I agree with that I love how Raimi Spider-Man 2 is so focused on Peter Parker like it feels like the movie's really about him dude that film is really fucking good it's quite surprising yeah and I love that it spends so much time with Peter Parker at the beginning of the movie and it's like all these terrible things are happening to him we can't pay his bills and whatever his life's failing and by the time he's in the bank and he's applying for the loan or whatever and they don't get approved it's just like oh man how could things get any worse and then and then Doc Ock comes in I'm like that's fucking cool man and then there's this great fight scene it's a great movie it really is I wonder you know because if the third one was fantastic and stuff we probably would have gotten a fourth and I couldn't you can only imagine at that point like what are you guys gonna do with this you're gonna expand it really far maybe maybe venom got to splinter off into his own films that's what I mean it's like what if that was it would have been the MCU the beginning what if fucking Peter by the time he came like 40-50 years old he's uh he's bringing up a young well he's mentoring a younger Tony Stark or some shit like that imagine that as a imagine yeah be pretty nifty just seeing that vision though I'm pretty sure it would piss off some people still in some way like Tony shouldn't be mentored by Spiderman it's fucking ridiculous well yeah you'd have people saying it's inaccurate to well because the comics neither of them mentor each other so either way it's not gonna work so yeah we'll do we'll do an MCU ranking in episode 100 I'll try and make a note of that actually yeah that's probably a good idea Jay is being silly on Twitter again referring to his tisms from Friday by the way Jay is regularly silly on Twitter that's his whole thing yeah he'll he'll post self-aware cringe right that's that's you know the deal it was explained extensively um long man take a look at Blackfields a fantasy horror short on GoFundMe being created by MrHReviews also have him on an interview him about the project I have no idea who that is nor do I know what Blackfields is but I hope it goes well I guess that's the movie right that is crown funding well yeah but I've never beyond that stupid chat I've never heard of it right those fucking giant balloon animals killing my innocent creatures I refuse to accept this oh you fell over is he killing your Pikmin yes and they work they work very hard to not be killed I've never played Pikmin um and I think I would like for them to make a Pikmin 4 just to make it really easy for me well you mean you can simulate it uh I well yeah I mean that's that's true so really I've got no excuse at all make it easy for you don't play SpongeBob SquarePants if you want to go to hell play SpongeBob you want to risk that shit I don't think so bikini bottom yeah and one of the puzzles you have to back up a little bit you need to it's some pretty 4D chest maneuvers some people have had to go to hospital as a result of brain hemorrhaging I have no idea how to solve this this one I'm getting fucking lost here it's not good rags and moopa which are better traps or tomboy's um how is a tomboy even like how's this even a contest tomboy yeah well a lot so to be fair this is only going to be a fair question to someone who's bisexual if it's pretty much a if you're straight there is your answer I mean yeah because part of the whole trap thing is not knowing it's a trap and if the question involves you not a trap it's kind of a thing however I like both the the googoo and the peen-peen so I'm going to go with tomboy's I'd go with tomboy's well I mean I'm straight so of course I would well I knew it you just haven't found the right trap there's a trap for everyone you haven't seen the right boy pussy yet tomboy yeah I think that's an easy one super chat probably thought they were asking a pretty fundamental question here and they're like damn it what was the thing you've got finboy hooters and tomboy like what tomboy eye hop or something I don't even know tomboy well if it do if there is a tomboy waffle house fuck off I'd be there every day Jesus Christ can you imagine a tomboy waffle house this is why I'm kind of envious of like America the fact that you have fast food waffles and pancakes we don't have any of that shit I don't like me I can't even call waffle house fast food oh well I mean chain stuff right like we don't have chains for these we have McDonald's KFC and hungry jacks which is our equivalent of Burger King and and not much else beyond that we don't have Wendy's we don't have Arby's we don't have eye hop or Denny's I've heard eye hop and Denny's is is a shit or eye hop I don't know which one one of them is bad we don't have a I mean I guess this would be for you John like Tim Hortons there's plenty of that shit in Canada isn't there yeah oh yeah it's actually it's not a McDonald's coffee it comes up in Northus, Dakota it's not a Canadian-owned business though a lot of people think it is I no the umbrella companies in the States oh my god umbrella zombies umbrella yeah we got to watch the the Resident Evil movies for EFAP movies oh god that could be yeah all of them I feel like oh yeah like EFAP audience would want that I'm not gonna watch all of them yeah but with us they'll see us go through actually all of the scenes oh my god I can't imagine then we can wrap it up with doom and isolation yeah it'll be about time ugh cool remember the Resident Evil 5 it's fun but it's not scary yep that was a meme yeah that is the take I'm surprised that game hasn't been canceled and pulled off shelves I mean that's the thing it almost was when it came out so imagine when it came out if they did it now even though there's literally it nobody cared when it was Spain like nobody cared yeah exactly you know yeah fuck the Spanish they deserve it you aren't the minorities and you're looking for yeah even though in Spain Leon was the minority so yeah I don't care it's really weird and also remember Spain is Europe so they're still the colonial powers so maybe that's why it's okay yeah those villagerous pieces of shit I can see hatred in their eyes yeah oh hi rags oh hi anyways how was your sex life um kind of a weird slump kind of thing now because of the a lot of the corona stuff yeah it's you can't really go on yeah a lot of people it's mostly normal here but a lot of people just don't want to you know go out in a bow and there's this weird sort of split up seating get all the bars and restaurants and places and I don't even I don't even know what the fuck the zoo's doing that's kind of my place to take people take fucking telling everyone take people to the zoo you find a bitch you take that bitch to the zoo because you want her to know that you like you like animals you're okay with animals and it gives you a lot of time to spend with her and talk and stuff to comment on you can eat while you're there all sorts of things to see it's not over really quickly you're there for a while take that bitch to the zoo I've never even thought of that that's a yeah Rags mentioned this several times it's like he doesn't even watch e-faps fucked up dude it's been a long time since I thought that's since I discussed taking bitches to the zoo yeah so for like ten years which is not a euphemism for which is not a euphemism for fucking me by the way just so we're clear like get it like transport her to a zoo and look at all the animals transport it transport her with some sort of real vehicle because he knows that this will be clipped and used against him one day oh yeah tip number two be able to transport someone else not in a creepy way god damn it if you if you offer to take her to the zoo and then have to follow that up with hey uh could you take me to the zoo isn't really uh not great not a great impression you know if you are if you live in like uh the netherlands then you can always offer bike ride right bike ride to the zoo they like their bikes in uh hollands yeah the they're a bike people bikes and hikes are great you want to see you're all sweaty there you go live advice fuck her in the woods end the stream ya'll release a video well i know what i'm watching at the end of this stream i'm watching the back of my eyelids because i'm fucking tired aww um ich liebe kapitalismus sayy what is your favorite renny harlin movie that is renny me neither harlin let's see do i recognize this face hmm i think i well i will run through some movies that he's been in and you can tell me if you like them or not butt up up butt up let's start it wait can i just i just want to highlight you get 30 days in this game to collect 29 parts of your ship holy fuck and uh on the sunset of day 30 literally second 10 seconds before the game is over i just put in the 29th part which wow holy shit which means i get to pass i guess it's just like thank you fuck yeah harry gather your Pikmin oh i don't care if some of them are dead oh my god wow i don't actually know what happens in this game if you don't get the required parts in time i don't know if it like gives you some kind of like okay but you know you did okay also like that maybe it's a game over i don't know i don't think i don't i feel like they wouldn't do that i feel like it's too harsh right you spent you spent a month with this character just to watch him choke and die yeah because it's a day in my life he says the ship doesn't need every lost part in order to fly for better or worse i must go so i guess he's just gonna try it no matter what you have at this point in the game and i don't know what it means for uh so what if like the 30th part that you needed was something kind of inconsequential like the gas cap or something like that you know it's like oh i can't leave the well remember the gas cap i picked up a part that said it was like a super laser destroys things i'm like maybe i don't need that i can't leave the planet with my air conditioning unit fully well i mean you probably do need air conditioning in space pretty cold up there yeah you need hot air that's why you need air conditioning so i just ditched the Pikmin look at them they're so depressed wow like master like how were what how are they gonna cope how are they gonna deal with it are they just i know they don't have a master to tell them would i like behind or are they going to continue to segregate by race following your example yes the white man's example yeah the invader the white man's example of segregating like clearly this is what we should do right so were those Pikmin left behind well i found them there like i just used them for my benefit and ditched them oh that's horrendous watch it explode because you didn't have all the missing what it could have been that important i'm sure i'm sure it's gonna be funny if it was the most important component of the i'm gonna feel guilty and go back and save them that's what's gonna happen what's the 30th part is like our smart plugs you're like fuck so like what is the story of Pikmin by the way you're you're like a you're like crash land in a creepy alien planet and you've got to get all the Pikmin to basically collect all your ship parts for you wow oh my god dude enslaving them dude total Pikmin lost one thousand sixty so really we're talking like Stalingrad casualty right here of of the total fourteen hundred ever sprouted the vast majority died lost majority didn't make it um but yeah i guess i win i don't know what happens now i don't know if this is game it's not the end of the game i think so i don't know what's happening anymore it's gonna play it's a little outro sequence i guess wait so do we find out what Ranny Haaland movies are yes i have a list here and you we can go we can start from the oldest to work our way up to present day all right so starting in 1986 born american in 1987 prison and then we have a nightmare on elm street four the dream master art i never saw that one i didn't see that all right uh we have the adventures of ford far lane fair lane ford far lane all right maybe you've seen this one diehard two oh no i like him nobody's seen that diehard two dieharder at the airport it's funny the only thing i really remember about diehard two is it ends with him fighting on an airplane also robert patrick is a bad guy in it who gets killed randomly because he's yeah he uh that's right it's like who are you what do we look like a sitting duck pew and then shoot him in the face and then uh then there was a guy who tried to kill john mclean but then john mclean turned on the uh the like ground elevator thing to move a gun towards him so that he could shoot the guy i remember that about it and they crashed the british plane that was the big like oh shit these guys are serious dude i really like diehard too it's not a i like diehard one but it's it's great yeah do i like diehard how much do you like diehard three out of curiosity it's got problems but i really enjoy it yeah i love the dynamic between uh him and sam jackson i like diehard three a great deal i if it were me ranking them it would be one three two and then a pretty big i i like four but you know yeah it's a really fun movie it is um i think it does suffer by the fact that it's pg 13 because john mclean is such a foul mouth person yeah it's uh it's almost weird that he's not swearing as much and it's kind of toned down but i still like it a lot the opening scene holy shit you wouldn't get away with that today no so what's interesting about diehard three is that if you look at the rotten tomatoes ratings yeah it's not good you see yeah it's some bullshit that movie's great yeah but again it's kind of the problem like i you know even even back in the 90s and stuff critics were often like having these weird assessments i mean blade run is a good example isn't it it's not like blade runner got better with time like blade runner got mixed reviews when it came out and it was good then right i'll uh keep going for the list here uh we've got rambling rose cliffhanger speechless i don't know what it is yeah cliffhangers are still alone right yes i like cliffhanger yeah we got cutthroat island all right jeena davis was in that one i saw that so long ago yeah um mistrial or mistrial who knows could be on there yeah uh the long kiss goodnight blast from the past i had friend fraser in it uh deep blue sea all right dude that movie that's an e-fat movies movie right there deep blue sea yeah isn't that the one where samio jackson gets eaten by a shot he gets killed by a shot after a big speech about how they need to work together it's great yeah we've got next up is uh driven also with that that's uh another still alone film i believe uh we got mind hunters exorcist the beginning is that exorcist right okay that's the the title the beginning i guess yeah that's not the second one though is it that's a different no that would be exorcist too yeah the the heretic that was what though um yeah weird one uh 2006 the covenant then we've got cleaner 12 rounds uh the resident five days before okay the devils pass we're up into 2014 now the legend of hercules oh god i'm i'm pretty sure i've heard of that one skip trace with uh jackie chan and johnny noxville huh i've never heard of that before uh 2018 legend of the ancient sword chinese movie to its shit bodies at rest and then in 2020 the misfits so okay so really i haven't seen many of those films at all it he he did a short film in 1994 called the foot shooting party so dude smash brothers melee yeah that intro is so fucking hot this game is this game is easily like in the contenders for best gamecube game of all time it's so it's so fucking good it's in my top 10 it's definitely my top 10 games ever and uh which which gamecube game is that Super Smash Bros melee it's funny how oh yeah it's terrific i just beat pikmin and i just got the captain all of our trophy for booted this up how cool is that that is pretty cool oh dude i the fact that i've like memorized all the music you know the menu is yeah there's so much content in this game it's fucking crazy everything's saying it was made in like two years they've made this in two years wow i'm pretty sure sakurai i from what i understand he nearly killed himself basically making this game he would sleep under his desk and then go straight back to work oh my god yeah all right it's tough dedication yeah i'll never forgive digital fear for the ending of deus ex machina i hope that and that's all bleeped out dies anyway love you jod also to have your dfap thank you yeah that was i made that a very very very long time ago and i learned a hard lesson from it i wrote myself into a corner we talked about that actually about not planning ahead you write yourself into a corner and then everything just falls apart that's what happened to me with that and i learned from that and i didn't i refrained from doing that again so i think um deus ex machina i watched that later like i didn't know what it was for a while and i'd say to everything else and then i watched it and that's cringe it's very serious it's what i noticed about it yeah um you die from cringe but uh yeah like i said i had no regrets because i learned from it you know yeah exactly and uh i was ripping off a bunch of movies too you know and i think a lot of i think that's how we all start i think everybody like yeah one of the comics i made when i was a kid um i i was like man right to the client school i can do that and so i made a comment called silo and lobsi in which that yeah silo is a seal and lobsi is a lobster what great names and they just go on these very like adventures that are basically borderline plagiarism but i was like ten years old so you know yeah they'll even down silo and lobsi people are gonna make artwork for that probably uh well please i mean i mean the the great part is because i was shit at drawing and i'm still even not that great lobsi was just an oval with very thin arms and legs and so whenever i was drawing the comics i'd draw him the most because it was the easiest to do that's how lazy i was i'm like yeah lobo god that's easy i like how you've announced e-fap artists so there's probably gonna be a shit ton of like art now of this half banked garbage idea that i came up with when i was like i'm i'm happily looking forward to like paint drawings i don't care i just want to see this this silo and lobsi well i i remember god damn like there was some stupid comics and all ever was was oh i saw something really cool i could make that that i made it and because i had no self-awareness i was really proud of that stuff um no he has now a much older the bling and mount shroom well i mean there's probably like i i remember oh there was something i made it was it was like gangsters and it was just basically there was a guy called uh alan i think was al yeah and his his stick was um because i was so stupid he was a hindu so when he died he would come back to life because i wanted him to be like kenny from south park no understanding that hinduism has nothing to do with dying and coming back to life as the same person that you were just so stupid no you could it just you have astoundingly good luck yeah or bad luck i guess and his good i think fringy just wanted to kill a brown person over yeah it's kind of fucked up i assume that it i i assume that a hindu is brown by the way it's just well why would you assume that it's a religion that you are actually i turned it around on you freaks i just i just i just recognize my my horrible i i know i'm betting on gambling odds here you know but so anyway uh yeah what's the next chat yeah well will the fringoy to be brought to pay for the deaths of so many pikmin dude what i didn't do it i don't know man it kind of does seem like you were the one who did it there are no green pikmin i wonder why that is wouldn't that okay you'll try to figure out how that means it's your fault look wait pikmin are like plant creatures and they're not green yeah well they have green leaves on the little heads it's totally adorable okay yeah kind of like a black me and moe that it wasn't he came up with uh pikmin like that was his little project wasn't it maybe i don't it's personal friend his gay lover it's just i didn't know if you knew i wasn't his personal friend okay can you have a friend who's not personal i thought like being someone's friend sort of entailed the concept yeah you're a non-personal friend of mine yeah i mean a lot of people use friend very liberally so i think it makes sense well yeah i uh i mean what's uh what was i feel like the sims had it right you know there's acquaintances and then your friend and then your good friend and then what was it romantic interest or something and then and then girlfriend and then all that shit the sims 3 was pretty good game i think nice little tangent there this is like yeah sims what are we gonna make a new one of that hmm well they made sims 4 and i remember when that was coming out i was so disappointed with what they were doing i think the main thing was uh sims 3 introduced the whole open world element and then they took it out because i don't know why they took it out but they did lot less features a lot less content and i never bought it and i don't think i well no i think i got it for free actually um and i wasn't having that much fun so yeah it's kind of a shame i played the ds one with the aliens i played nice and smooth i think i played sims on playstation 2 i think i did yeah ran out of money had to send the kids off to military first and then them couldn't pay the maid anymore so she stole the lamp and i was like fuck this game this game is too real take this lamp this game is too real for me fucking jigglypuff is gonna cost me the whole game by the way why isn't jigglypuff the most annoying pokemon is it just me do you remember the mealy she's that move where she falls asleep inside your face she'll fucking blow you out of the map yeah that's right yeah and it was really it was a really good way to beat um gigabowser in in one of the challenges because he's got a really big face so it's really easy to get excited use that move wasn't it isn't one of like the top you know competitive strategies to use jigglypuff while somebody's in there to make them go to sleep and fall off the level before they can wake up i think that was something in the same way you have um Kirby can almost kamikaze someone and just yeah and then uh spit you out and jump ahead just to beat you just in time who's your main character on on mealy by the way who'd you mean Roy Pete Roy was mine gay boy Roy was uh Roy was pretty good i think i uh i'd main samus maybe i think samus is my main who is that and rags i'm disappointed you didn't play as a woman it's fucked up Roy can be whoever i want Roy to identify as the player i have the ability to make the character identify as one of the interesting things i remember in mealy is that all the fire emblem characters spoke in japanese regardless of whether you were playing the japanese version and i always found that confusing like what are they speaking in i didn't like understand what it was when i first played it at least it's more understandable than fucking falcon falco sorry messian kaput or is that was that fucking fox both of them they both speak in weird like oh fox says mission complete because i didn't play i didn't play star fox which is like who's this weird guy saying mission kaput or something yeah i think um i think it's the same for falco he's like but he's way more japanese it's like mission complete yeah you don't sound like what i think a bird would sound well it's interesting um and what was uh because i'm pretty sure star fox had some you know i i i feel like the fact that i literally know the way that he enunciates his grunts told me i played that game too much hi ya like that's exactly yeah that's it well falco was my second as uh who i played as whatever i was allowed to play as sabbath with whatever rules friends come up with falco is uh falco was a good one yeah i like falco yeah but after i played a lot of uh played a lot of royal and then when the next game came out i quiz my boy i didn't like roll anyone near as much i liked uh mealy i don't know uh i liked brawl a lot i think i was really hyped for it because i played melee so i was so keen so it was cool i think i don't know mealy's fucking next next level man i don't know melee yeah in in retrospect i can uh definitely see that it's um the better game um i said uh that i had like brawl to a friend he called me a fag and i think his reasoning was like how could you possibly like a game that has something like tripping in it which uh i agree that tripping yeah i remember tripping fucking annoyed the shit out of me yeah really weird one why would you want to put that in the game why would you make it purposely harder to uh do normal things yeah so i i never random trip fucking killed me okay the tripping alone makes that like not nearly as good as melee i think gameplay wise but uh what i really what's really stood out to me was the music like yeah they had uh incredible they had nobuo uematsu the final fantasy guy did the main theme i thought the main theme for brawl is fucking amazing the it's uh it's pretty incredible um like and and all the remixes as well like the boss music that they had is the remix final destination um like i'm not sure it's interesting all of the games have really good things and i'm not sure if uh i'm not sure if i could pick which one is my favorite um melee is really good brawls is awesome i really like fours and i seem to be in the controversial camp there i think four has an awesome theme song right it just came out no uh ultimate has its own one and it's um and ultimates is kind of incredible as well yeah like uh it's really really good it's um it's really i think when it first got announced i wasn't that impressed but the actual like music in the game is way more dynamic than uh in that trailer it's that nintendo they just got their tunes you know very true yeah oh no i'm gonna be beaten up by a girl in front of the internet no oh wait i am a girl oh a big girl too fucking giant ass mushroom come here well damages are six foot two i think uh a lot bigger than that right now snares is a tomboy and peaches a trap huh well i guess that the opposite of what a normal trap like it's the opposite um possum reviews on efap when i don't know i don't know that's um i think i've seen possum reviews on twitter i don't know if i've ever seen any of the the videos assuming they have i'm assuming they review stuff i have ice yeah the name you know yeah kind of yeah also they need to get possum uh loved your work john all the machinimas were great hey how about it i was talking to me there sorry yeah the other john yeah oh thank you man that's uh i'm always watching out for the guests here i just want to keep a smooth show you know yeah that's raggled i keep everybody on track i don't want any long tangents dude about marsupials you know the screw attack ball for me i find throwing that as samus at someone to force them it's like bm for samus like yeah enjoy my move for a second against your will you just get a little little taste of it wow that's good job i saw that yeah that was i was knocked into it what do you want me to do you specifically honed in for it that's just a racist thing to say just because i'm a woman now that you now that samus knew that somebody else could do what she did albeit temporarily she just wanted to end like no i can't have this fucking yoshi's insane on this in this fucking map because he like the the ai struggles it like wants to run around really fast but also not fall off the whole fucking thing and then use its jump thing which sends it above the screen oh yoshi mail is an almost impressively graphically detailed game considering it's from 2001 dude i remember unlocking all of the maps and just being continuously surprised i was just like this isn't the game now too yeah huge step up there's just what i what i'm from the first game staggering well the first one was really an experiment and then it was like oh wow this is a really good idea and then they just ended up making like the greatest game on gamecube probably yeah i think i'd be in that camp yeah i think it's easier contender um i recently discovered efap now on episode 12 there's a long but interesting journey ahead and now i'm curious that any of you saw h bomber guy's videos about sherlock or pathologic yes i haven't both i'd recommend his pathologic one is really interesting for a game that you're not gonna play nobody even says in his video you shouldn't really play it it's a game with like really awesome and interesting ideas but it's just so fucking clunky and harsh like to complete it you have to know stuff that's really fucking ridiculous uh but he does the little guide for you and tells you about all the stuff in the game and then he says go play the sequel that's actually playable and the sherlock one is really good at explaining exactly what is wrong with bbc's sherlock so check it out um anyway guys wish you good stream also heimola rags fringy and john cjg hello hello no hello from fringy i've said hi you didn't hear me obviously didn't hear you how could i hear nothing well i don't know what to tell you you need to get your ears checked you need to get a better microphone every video i said hey dude my microphone is like actually good i don't know why there's ever any problems with it i spent good money on this seems like an interesting statement it's actually good why are there problems i know i'm just saying you know people like get a bit of usb or xlr no it is uh actually xlr yeah i i'm just not in a good recording environment i'm pretty sure it's room is in there australia yeah yeah hey same way to i mean i love you too i mean i mentioned it the other day emus tends to sabotage my internet connection so you're joking right i just want to make sure because it's australia yeah what there's actually emu just digging into the ground messing with cables hey look i'm against that weird ai in this game because they seem to randomize it where they're just extremely passive right oh yeah pikachu's just doing nothing now i feel like i'm standing there with a smuggle of a shitty thing get fucked bay in with a pokeball fuck you um um new a n c since uh someone at my first game dev job showed it to me 11 years ago glad to see a really nice person glad to see you're a really nice person thanks for the last how could somebody who makes arby in the chief possibly be a nice person it's true it's it's so clearly this was made by some missing yeah absolute filth only in a more realistic online games x squad hold fast armor hell let loose do people coordinate on that level like i said i think this coordination in almost all games but only a particular like tiers of play it's pretty unlikely for most games but like even when we would like me and my friends are trying to get really good in gears of war two even like we would coordinate quite a bit but uh there's still be loads of trash talk but you're not going oh shit have it oh no no well this is the thing it's not just that there's coordination it's the way that they're coordinating yeah they're coordinating like they're real for example friendly to each other it's i like how they're like oh sorry my bad nobody ever does that like if somebody says my bad they're like yeah it is your bed you fucking awesome yeah like what the fuck you do it over there oh there's a guy right there fuck you there's a guy fucking wake up there's a guy you know not like there is a tango it's like they should have had it like winged to redemption playing right first siege god i'm like doing everything i see the way he gets he gets chewed by havoc he's like man i can't take this shit no more man i need that in the trailer for division two these creatures are culturally appropriating my gun they eat me and spit out and then they have it that's ridiculous also i fucking hell i'm gonna not be able to pass this thank you for the guldeen game that's just what i needed havoc look here look listen have a cute fucking dirty son of a bitch yeah oh that was that was fine okay uh this just says hi i'm a guy hello hey congratulations excellent news congratulations on attaining all that privilege yeah serve you well uh white lights reviews are too short i am oh yeah seven hours come on didn't he make yeah he made like a seven hour death stranding review oh shit come on like 15 hours or bust i'd say i really liked his watch dogs review i was really impressed by that one um god damn like there was so much about watchdogs i didn't know when i played that game way longer than most other people did well man watching you play this game is such insane nostalgia for these maps i know fighting all the the mini curbies and going through all the man wow i remember i was really hyped for subspace emissary but i remember a lot more about uh classic adventure mode and stuff this this game was formative years like crazy i played so much of this fucking game i um it was it was kind of weird as well because i remember like everybody had a ps2 but not everybody had a game cube or an xbox i didn't have an xbox but i had a game cube and um i don't think i know many people who also had a game cube i'm pretty sure i was one of the only people um and man did you miss out if you didn't have a game cube you missed out on so yeah such a good fucking console yeah great one so yeah that was the first console i had out of that generation for a long time and i really enjoyed it yeah i got luigi's mansion on launch and i i still fucking love that game yeah that was excellent yeah fuck you ness his jump ability is garbage i'm gonna make a new i feel like nintendo was in a really good position to make like a new earth bound it feels like they should well they haven't made like there's not a pokemon snap too dude look where i beat him what the fuck yeah for nintendo switch it's called new pokemon snap they just had a they had a reveal for it he just took it took it like a man well there you go like a nintendo direct i guess that's what they're called yeah yeah okay i didn't know that i guess um the funny thing and i didn't know this apparently south park was inspired by earthbound trey parker and matt stone like played that game or like oh i like the idea of having kids go on adventures basically and that's like what how south park kind of came to be their adventures are a little more controversial i guess you'd say well i guess it's just interesting that this long lost game that didn't sell that well when it came out and hasn't had a new game in like 25 years was uh hugely inspirational to like want to be longest running uh tv shows like currently on air yeah i listen a lot of interviews with those guys and they're big gamers both of them i think uh matt stone is more of like a shooter kind of guy right he just wants to kill everything on the screen but uh um trey parker comes from like playing ultima and dnd and rpgs yeah rpgs on like 16 bit console which uh makes sense because he was all he's he's written i think the vast majority of south park episodes what are you saying people like shooters stupid oh no no no it's uh it's the whole idea that like from what i understand the dynamic is i mean both of them are hugely important to the creative process but from what i gather the process is like uh trey is the big ideas guy he's the story guy and matt's like the grounded guy who sort of keeps everything on and kind of like helps the pair of them navigate the environment they're in and like making a tv show and stuff like that that's what i understand about their dynamic yeah i think he's a math major uh matt stone and uh i didn't hear that yeah or if he doesn't major he's certainly he studied math in school and he's good at it but uh he uh i think he really he's good at the satire angle right of like coming up like he'll pitch an idea that's in the news or something and he'll come up with a funny a sharp satirical angle on it and then trey will take that and sort of melded into a story yeah yeah it's uh it's interesting some like read or find out about the method of like duos writing duos i've always been kind of envious of them i feel like i'm like the trey and i need like a matt for sure yeah there's definitely a benefit to writing in in pairs you can balance ideas off of people yeah especially if you like got a really uh there's a youtube channel flash skits and they're kind of like a writing duo as well and i think they work pretty well evidently they work well together because i like their stuff so you see a lot of those duos and i mean uh there was like lorry and fry or was it the other way around you know Hugh lorry, steven fry though i'm not sure like a bit of fry and lorry a bit of fry and lorry that's right that's right a bit of fry and lorry yes um so another kami duo i grew up watching yeah i just i like in black black out of ghost force there's just so many great lines from him like um oh you know something like along the lines of the what the fact that when we go over the trench we all die in like the first 10 seconds it's like yeah well generally things this might be depressing the meta 10 yeah uh we're talking about first person shooters neat stuff like this reminds me of a movie called hard core henry you guys should check it out dumbo's i have seen hard core henry it's really fun yeah rags and i though nope still haven't what does that say about us and society i remember i think i saw a review was from like tyt's film like section or whatever oh boy and i they were they were talking about because it's basically like a video game but a movie and not like a video game movie but a film which is like emulating what video games provide and they're like oh it's too fast you know it's hard for me to pay attention like you guys just gotta play more video games because i was enjoying it plenty i just had like the most embarrassing killing of myself ever luckily nobody saw it i'm about to see it yeah that was pathetic mohler the way i just slip into the water like well time to accept my death well because you can't jump again it's just over for you why the fuck didn't i get the mushroom huh i'm player one i deserve all the cool shit oh god i died again okay what are you playing mohler uh super smash brother's ultimate on the game uh no no ultimate that's okay calm down fringy it's okay i was making a meme he meant is because it's like the ultimate smash well okay i'm sorry i upset you that's that's definitely what he meant when he said these games fair enough i heard uh melee has this new netcode that people are talking about and uh the the community for that game is more is very large and active oh and people are still this fucking day passionate as hell about this game right yeah it's understandable yeah it's it's such a sharp game well from what i understand it's kind of like the new ones come out but melee is the one that ultimately continues to retain a community there isn't like a brawl community as much for a smash for community but melee yeah i think uh they're not as refined and precise as melee is no yeah it's just fuck yeah yeah it's got it's so solid mechanically you know they did a good job so uh money for the epic batwoman crossover event of the year on healer's babyface channel uh yeah that was good shit glad you uh have fun with it hi raw rocks hi rags you good doggo hello i'll be the chief was the best thing machinima had going glad to see john is now doing his own thing on youtube yeah thank you yeah i'm enjoying it i have a i don't have the numbers i used to but you know i'm quite happy with that and i'm very lucky to have the audience that i do i have a very dedicated yeah i'd have to imagine a pretty passionate audience yeah yeah they dig my shit and you know as long as i i do right by them i entertain them i'm quite happy i don't need i don't need millions of use frankly i think i'd be on if i if i did have that much more popularity like i don't know it's like having that many more eyeballs on me might change the right and i don't know it like affect you no i would still do what i whatever i want to do like i wouldn't sacrifice any creative control or anything but it's just uh i feel like i'd be under far more scrutiny like in this political this climate this climate we're in right now i just like yeah you know certain jokes where it's just like i feel like i'd be getting a lot of hate mail and complaints and stuff and i'm really sensitive to all that stuff like one bad comment on youtube and twitter that can ruin my whole fucking day and i wish i wasn't that sensitive and but i'm kind of a bitch yeah i'll do the the right things that by the right person the right time can preserve anybody oh yeah absolutely yeah i have a great audience i'm very lucky oh by the way when's our when's our episode 15 coming out how did you oh i'm i'm trying to get it done by the end of this month yeah it's really fast really close yeah yeah almost and actually i don't think i asked this yet how many episodes because i remember like initially there was meant to be like 30 something episodes this season but has that changed or uh yes it's supposed to be 33 now it's going to be 17 but oh wow yeah okay that's that's not because i'm chopping out any of the story it's just because really long yeah yeah the episodes were supposed to be way shorter but then i decided you know i don't want to tell the story like this this is too fragmented like i want to tell big like i i just i feel like it's it becomes a stronger piece of work to have a certain set of sequences in one video rather than break it up i'm inclined to agree yeah yeah um but that means it's really near the end then almost you only got three more episodes to go wow yeah and they're all outlined season 16 the script for it is almost done and see episode 17 uh a bunch of scenes are fleshed out dialogue is written but the whole thing from start to finish is already outlined i know what's right what the end is and it's just it's just getting there and you know getting all the specifics down on paper and all the dialogue finalized so but yeah in a long journey hasn't it yes it has it's been it's taken me an embarrassingly long time frankly yeah but it's it's something i'm i feel really strongly about and once it's done i think people will be really happy with it yeah well i mean it's a lot of content i think it's worth what i remember i mean doing like a feature length film in six months that's pretty pretty impressive it's it's it's a lot i'm quite happy doing it though it's a story i feel really strongly about so hopefully people will see what what i was trying to do and the the bites i think tied people over you know because that's just classic rb in the chief to them i think you know yeah and those are pretty long to the last one i did was like 20 minutes um that last episode though episode 14 that's quite a cliffhanger that one oh yeah yeah hey that was a movie that starred still ronald dimstone whoever it was that we were looking at that wasn't starring that was the director wasn't it directed by ronald dimstone yeah ron dimstone ronald dimstone you sound tired are you okay nope no i'm great i was well i haven't been drinking why would i even bring that up so silly of me to do that uh john please scream like your dad is angrily turning off the nintendo because he's an a-hole do it for smoke oh that was uh yeah i remember that i fucking i shrieked at the top of my lungs for that one and no i'm not going to do that here that's too that's too hard on my throat i remember that that was it i can't even i wouldn't do it justice i'm no oh dude that was um that was grand theft or before right like i'm playing for online and then uh because what made yes that's exactly yeah that's right and what what made that scream is because it becomes so shrill it's almost like a little girl scream you know what was his name smoke what what was his uh smoke weed for life for right this is very pretty standard you video game alias well back then yeah like 2008 2009 yeah yeah um thoughts on the last jet i mean the last of us two well we we kind of managed to cover that in the vagus possible way we can right now but yeah the last of us two will be coming to an e-fap near you at some point last of us thrones two season eight i already revealed myself as a retard for saying i'm sure they forgot i was out in the interest of not embarrassing myself any further and holding on to what integrity i have left maybe we won't get into that uh i'll just put out a new video in e-fap is live it's a good weekend if e-fap ever gets censored by youtube would you guys continue the show elsewhere depends on the censorship yeah we go to the zoo so like if if i don't know let's just get weird hypotheticals going we're not allowed to swear anymore i'd be like jeez well darn good well don golly g golly g with willikers yeah i don't know if they just started like removing random older episodes i don't i don't know what it would exactly take for us to want to move the show to a different place like you know fuck twitch i guess it would have to be d-live is that like born hub streams that's the one um not sure what it would take but yes we would probably we would move the show before killing it i think it is the point of that is there any platform that does live streaming like youtube does yeah well you got it but um like not i don't mean twitch but something like because i'm thinking of like bit shoot a library or whatever these alternative kind of video platforms that people are moving to but i don't know if they have live stream functions do they yeah i think d-live is currently the backup if you can't get on to youtube and twitch okay that's where all of the rejects go now well that it's like the gap of uh of live streaming it seems to be what it is basically like if you got banned off of twitch for typing takes then uh that's where you go the swedish the swedish chef offends me so i guess them up it's a toast oh definitely yeah any matter of time everything that was ever offensive it's gonna have to go yeah oh no i don't forbid somebody's offended i say it sucks man oh not venus or you know that makes me think of better times fucking egoraptors animations about pokemon i venus or bang oh god my fucking me because he came out recently apologizing for all of his naughty jokes yeah a little bit lame yep i'm sorry i upset people it was a different time it's like shut the fuck up you're fending me now yeah now that i'm famous now that everyone knows me now that i got a following and i'm set for life nobody else can do what i did to get here it's absolutely rude okay rags accept it you rude man i just got lucky that i could do it but you can't do it you're not allowed to do it only i was allowed to do it it feels like i want to go to the alternate universe where he never pursued the shit out of game grumps and instead made more sequelitis videos and animations i just want to see what happened to that one sequelitis was great yeah i love that it's just cool the nobody else really was doing like a i want to do an in-depth game breakdown also with fun animations it's like that's the yeah i like it rip that's all i have to say rip in peace um wilford status check also hi rags hello alive i believe as is mr brimley uh most disturbing film you've seen mine is threads i've not seen that um i have i i either saw all of or enough of um a serbian film nobody should see that film ever a serbian film i saw that yeah it's disturbing it's it's it's very it's a verily very gnarly movie and it's it's it's gnarly because it's about specifically about pushing the limitations of art yeah it kind of poses an interesting question but it's so it's it's not for everybody it's pretty fucking bleak watch by the end you'll just be looking through your fingers going holy shit are they really doing that and the answer is yes being beaten up by tiny monkeys it's horrifying uh if they want to stick to their principles why stop with the voice actors white writers shouldn't be allowed to create non-white characters at all it's interesting i've heard people where you draw that line i don't see yeah i mean if you'd figure that's where the extension of the rhythms right that's where it would take them but then what does that mean that means of people who've been doing it right not writing stories about people who aren't white right all you have to do is cite cite like a beloved story about uh any minority whatever and then if it's written by a white person it's like wait what happens now do we now hate this story but you get a lot get a lot of weird retroactive activity with all this stuff right um but they won't because that means less representation the cognitive dissonance is strong with the people who act like they're progressive fucking it's hard to just keep track of the rules that's why i've always said i just don't understand what's happening next feels like they change every other day and i killed them both uh what's up machungas uh just having a podcast as you do having a bit of a stream of diesel what's up macgobos look at that two two friendly greetings in a row through superchats what a wonderful kind audience goblins someone get the slayer also hi rags hello um i'm a jew and i identify as a loot goblin i'm a loot goblin you know you don't know what a loot goblin is i should i like well a loot goblin's name a player who just gets and gets all the loot please in a game put on this look at the stream just look at the stream look at what just happened yeah the ai couldn't quite i tell you man that saves a bit of a struggle it's just like yeah thank you good old dk also do you guys remember like the almost cheat for the zelda one which is you peer into the uh the rooms and if you don't spot the triforce it's like well moving on to the next one i don't remember that well i i never figured out how it works like this whole level it confused me it's just you just got to find the triforce the other ones are just gonna have uh links and oh yeah no i know that now but uh when i was a kid i didn't know what i should be doing are you talking about the nes one where you go into a room the camera shifts over to the new room and you just kind of go in and out oh well this is in the melee in the melee uh level in adventure mode yeah like you can check to see if the triforce is there because if it is then that's you know that's the level the room you need to lock you see if i had to fight three links to get there i would have lost right i cheated um i'm arth artha and the internet is the old west i felt that yeah that's right more more civilization nintendo capri sun fringy and tonal for episode 100 nintendo capri sun that says i've seen someone called that in chat a couple of times i think i'm not sure who it is exactly have you heard about dnd getting rid of races race buffs because they think black people are orcs no joke wait what god well when i start dm in games of pathfinder second edition um yeah there's definitely going to be racial bonuses because wow you're listen there's no way that a little halfling is going to have the same bonus as a big old lord i guess it's an interesting one right because race is almost not she just killed himself himself oh it's uh race is almost not like accurate in fantasy because then it's it's more like different species really right like yeah it is and the human are not the same species i heard about a similar thing happening with magic the gathering because you have uh you have like white and black cards right and black is associated with like evil and swamp or whatever and white is like holy like healing magic order and yeah goodness and have anything to do with race at all so yeah they're putting race on it exactly it's the whole point that people don't like night time like well it's gonna be really scary we evolved to fucking be able to see based on me and and so lightness is like ooh safety and understanding and control and dark is oh this is scary and unknown there there could be a big spider now i am spooked well it's not a mite for fringy it's there's definitely a big spider here it's gonna be based so i have to use i have to i have to seek i have to seek say seek safety in the nearest kangaroo pouch i have to dive on in there like i'll pay you back later mr kangaroo yeah wow that is fucked jumping that pouchy slip on in get nice and snug take him take a bit of a nap not off rest up come out smell like a kangaroo that's that's one of the things they have down there what get in a better like you smell like a kangaroo pouch is this true i don't even you've been sleeping in a kangaroo green you can say you'd say yeah green please what did you sleep in kangaroo pouches and say yeah i came out and i smell like a kangaroo i was gonna say you said the yeah all wrong there rags is very clear sleeping uh sleeping a pouch to get away from the spiders all right yeah he's not saying no so i guess it's true evacuate to most of her uh spiders can no longer tell the future because it makes other arachnids like scorpios jealous oh my goodness new law also hello dr no cjg also high musually and high wags oh this just says get the roof i don't know who's who have thrown off the roof today but my goodness they could be referring to roof and fit them all zine which is what bill cosme used to rape all those women ah root oh that's what a roofy is okay right he would put them into their i thought he used these qua ludes whatever right putting isn't like he appealing his case now i heard about that right like well i don't know what do you have to lose anyway well i mean i guess right yeah no curbie fuck you no curbie what you just want to curbie to let himself yes kill yourself you piece of shit guy you little pink ball damn i remember what i was and i was like curbies and girls pink as far as my logic went wow sexist also i knew i could get him to kill himself i knew it girl uh yeah john yeah i like the last of us too the chat so you have chosen death yeah top tier references my reputation yeah hey guys mohler do you plan to move to the usa no though freedom land does seem pretty cool sometimes i'll admit it i don't plan to move there freedom land freedom land i would totally visit people from freedom land though yeah i don't mind the idea it's kind of weird because i think australia is pretty great but i also don't mind the idea of leaving going elsewhere wow mainly as long as the place mostly speaks english just kind of like my caveat had someone asked me to stop explaining ridley scott's flaws he didn't want me to ruin blade runner legit wanted to live in ignorance and keep the magic alive i stopped lull but damn what okay right what is this ignorance that he has related to what blade runner being good one of these profound arguments that you have why it's bad also i'm not here anymore i'm not against uh someone being like i don't want you to tell me about the things that don't make sense because i really like that movie whatever it's like yeah whatever it's fine if they however like critique films professionally and i'll like nope this film is actually really strong and has no flaws that'd be like all right well i'm gonna have to reveal something to you i guess if that's okay like if you just heard you know average joe in a conversation that like please don't talk about all the things that don't make sense in fucking no no batman robin it's just such a fun film oh my god that movie the fucking ice skating oh my god yeah it's uh something else um i heard the the blade runner has a version with like the voiceover i heard that was pretty rough yeah yeah um and the original blade runner it's uh it's a very slow moving movie for me but uh i did like it good good world building some of the best i've seen i'm against a bot that's like terrified of me and he has a mushroom on and he's just like super big and he's just like nope i'm not gonna play with you i don't know i i'm feeling is it because i'm a woman is that it don't know why not it's all fucking subjective well they keep telling me how do you how would you feel if a giant woman was beating you with an umbrella i get so fucking parasol i guess a pair of what a parasol oh yeah that's what they call them an animal crossing you you uh no one around me cares enough about good story writing thanks for existing also hi wolf oh wait i mean you can care about good writer not want to know why something so i don't know leave the poor people alone uh hey rags hi i got around to watching your older more political videos i really enjoyed your more in-depth videos and it's nice to know more people like uh think like i do anyway can't wait for the new tfa moola though it's on the way glad you like my thoughts on the holocaust some consider them very controversial i feel that it needs to be said um john you briefly worked with rooster teeth what's the story there and your thoughts on their downward spiral oh um well i i talked about a bit about this in the beginning but um i went to uh texas their studio there i don't know if they're still there but i went down to the studio there area yeah oh it is good um so i went down yeah i went down to their studio and um i met them the team and the bullpen as they call it which is like their team with like editors and like um they help with some of the story stuff i guess certain like recording gameplay and stuff and um i think that that was before monti olem had died i don't know if you know him yeah i don't know yeah he uh is this amazing like he made these amazing uh like fighting animations it's like met samus versus master chief or something oh wow i remember those they used to play in the game stop years and years and years ago when i went there right yeah so rooster teeth hired that guy to do their fight scenes because he was a great like animation fight choreographer like he would he would like mo cap himself and apply that to like character models and um so that's that's why in rooster teeth you'll see like there's this all of a sudden this focus on elaborate core choreograph fight scenes yeah yeah it was because of his involvement and uh i i wasn't i went over there and he was working there at the time but he wasn't there he wasn't there on site um but i got to see his workspace and that was really interesting and um so yeah i went over there and it was a little bit awkward because i wasn't really sure what was expected of me i'm just like do they want me to to write something or like are we just gonna get together and collaborate on something and so i tried my best to look busy yeah it was just like i i think we split the the airfare and so it's just like i'm here partly on their dime so i want to look like i'm getting shit done so i was just i was just writing down i had a notebook with me and i was jotting down ideas like this this could be funny if we did this and uh i pitched it to him i had this idea of like um i had this idea about playing roms and just like how like the um not not owning the games that you buy anymore like because all games are like digital now and they're being made into like surf services and subscription models and there's something to do with that i can't remember what the essential joke of it exactly was but um i think it turned out kind of funny and then um there's there's was better though the gary buzy one even though i didn't get the joke at the beginning i was like how is this funny but then in practice and then seeing the final cut i was like okay this is funny i like this and um it was fun working with them like they're great improv guys i kept ruining takes because joel was so funny in particular there they all were but like i was face to face with joel a lot for a lot of the shots and he would just be like ever for every take he would throw in something new and it would catch me off guard and i would smile and just i'd be like sorry we got to go back reset that we did that so often i felt really bad but we got through it and um and we we did my sketch as well and that was fun and then um i remember i was kind of off i was a little off put by i felt like i had a lot of funny reactions like i did i was i did a lot with my face but uh in the editing the editing was favoring them a lot and it wasn't really cutting to me very much and i felt uh but it felt egotistical to step in and be like hey you should cut to my face you know i mean yeah but i'm a big believer in like like the funny line that is said is only half the joke like the other half is cutting to the reaction yeah like the other person hearing what is being said and just not even saying anything just the look on their face going like what are you serious um but wasn't a big deal and uh it turned out funny and uh i had a good time and they took me they were really nice they took me out to like a couple restaurants they took me to the alamo draft house which is like a theater there where you can order burgers and beer like from your chair in the theater so yeah i'd never i'd never experienced anything like that before it was really cool and um had a great time and regarding their downfall i mean it makes me sad to hear that i'm not really aware what exactly caused it um but i understand there's a perception that they are and maybe well they are on a downward spiral are you familiar with some of the news that's been happening because um bernie has left and joe left on and joe left on terms that don't seem to be good really um but i think bernie left on good terms but yeah the two of them are gone so that's like two out of like five or six of the founders are gone um wow i didn't know bernie had left wow he's he's he held it all together in a in a big way i think well he was i think he was the uh the main creative like i'm pretty sure is like the creative officer and i think he ran red versus blue like as the director for the first decade so right a lot of it went through him yeah right yeah um i remember i mentioned i there's a weird thing going on like when around the time machinima was collapsing right and warner media had come in and bought machinima they also bought rooster teeth i think the the umbrella company that bought them both was called full screen full screen yes yeah yes and they had bought both and then uh i think so arby and the chief went off and then a bunch of my fans were pissed off and i think one of them had gone to the rooster teeth crew and said hey is there something you can do and then i think matt hullam had responded saying have john get in touch with me and so i i had spoken to matt before we when i was over in texas we got along great he's a super cool guy and i had emailed him saying okay here's my situation like i i did all this work on arby and the chief and they they took everything offline i've been trying to get through to the machinima staff to like ask permission to put my videos on my own channel because i wanted to do this the in the right way yeah you know i didn't want to just you know in case they still had some legal claim over my videos i didn't want to just be like well fuck you i'm gonna upload it anyway like i wanted to do it in a respectable way and um they just they weren't getting back to me and i was getting so fucking frustrated i'm like i don't know what to do here and uh and then i i emailed matt and he's like wow that's that's really unfortunate i'll i'll look into this and i'll get back to you but uh but he i didn't ever hear back from him again well uh i know that he's the CEO of that company so yeah he might be uh he might be quite busy i would imagine right yeah i guess um and maybe there's some weird thing where he's he's obligated to keep his partners at warner media happy and uh i i don't know i i don't know i don't want to say anything more i don't know what happened but i just remember i didn't hear back from them um but eventually i got through to machinima on my own because i had threatened legal action that's what it took and i i was actually talking to a lawyer at that point uh somebody who specializes in intellectual property law right specifically in regard to like video game content and so i was talking to this guy and he was offering me a free like consultation it's like i'll have a look at your case and then we can decide what we want to do from there based on what i observe like if we've got if we've got something we can pursue here and um so i sent another email to to machinima saying all right i don't know what else to do here so i'm talking to a lawyer and i'm going to take legal action against you if you don't come back to me then all of a sudden i got a response saying oh sorry about that there's some miscommunication yeah yeah and so i finally got through to somebody over the phone at machinima who was i guess he was the last veteran left at the company who is like there since the beginning and like everyone everybody else had been cycled out at this point but this there's this one guy who had ascended to the legal department and was just now talking to me over the phone i'm like i tried reaching out to you guys over email for months what the fuck happened like what why did it take why did it take this long what do you say and they it was i got what i wanted but that that kind of pissed me off because it was so easy i was just like they they were like yeah upload it to your channel it's no problem i'm like well if it's if it's not a big deal why couldn't you just have fucking told me this months ago like what why why is this like pulling teeth i don't understand so yeah so i i vented a little frustration at them over the phone i was like this process has been fucking infuriating but i'm glad you're finally playing ball with me here because i don't think i'm being unreasonable there's nothing to do with monetization like i said it's just about i wanted the show scene own your own work that you did yeah no reasonable position no kidding i mean i understand that i signed a contract but it's like you removed everything off your channel including this show that i worked really hard on like without that i've got nothing to show for the past 10 years of my life like come on this this is a decade of my life that you're just fucking scrubbing as if it didn't exist and uh but eventually they they were just like yeah go ahead and upload it to your channel the thing is though that you're going to have to remaster a bunch of the audio because copyright yeah yeah but uh so that was in a logo yeah exactly that was a funny part actually i was just like um can i uh get rid of the what what's what i'm what can i do about the logo can i just blur it out and they were like oh you can keep it if you want and i'm like if you don't care that logo is fucking going yeah why the fuck would i keep it around yeah what do i want a permanent reminder of how you guys fucking boned me get out of here so i was i was quite happy to fucking blur it out but uh yeah i uploaded most of my show to my channel except for seasons one and two for a while because of the the copyright music thing and i thought if if they get like a copyright strike then i think they were worried that they somehow would get in trouble but i didn't understand how that worked because it's my content it's going on my channel like i guess because their their logo was still on it but i i told them i'd blur it out so i don't really get what they were worried about but once they went under and they stopped existing as a corporate entity i stopped giving a fuck entirely just like whatever it's all going on my channel now because you don't exist anymore so and that's that everything's on my channel now and i'm i'm very happy with the way things turned out yeah yeah i'm glad that's behind me uh and yeah rooster rooster teeth haven't really heard from them since but i got not i got nothing against them it makes me sad to hear that they're kind of going downhill but i wish them the best i think they're all really nice guys i don't have a bad word to say about anyone um also did anyone in efap watch red versus blue was a fan fell behind and heard it sucks now along with every other show at rooster teeth i thought some of it years and years ago now i i really liked um the first like six or seven so seasons um i like all the blood Gulch Chronicles and i really like season six which was the first one that they started serializing like real you know from the beginning it was clear there was a plan i like that season a lot of yeah i have watched basically all of it though except for like anything past season 13 so really i haven't watched in five years but yeah oh yeah i'll always hold them in high regard because they they inspired me to do what i do and i i i'm surprised i forgot to mention actually the the impact that red versus blue had on me like the the the comedy in the story i don't think was really my cup of tea there's the parts of it that i thought were funny um but uh it just wasn't really the show for me i don't think but uh i it kind of blew me away that i was just like oh you can make movies with video games and people were really digging it and they had a big audience and i'm just like fuck i can do that i could i would love to do that just write something and then do it in halo like that's that's great and so yeah they they inspired me in a big way and i'll always be grateful to them for that for for that inspiration yeah i think that was usually important for our scripted online content in general i think yeah they had some other shows too but i never i never watched any of them i remember they had to have like sims 2 one stranger hood i think oh yeah yeah um some of the animated stuff they did recently i liked i like that camp camp show but i haven't heard anything about that for a couple years either right i like their live action sketches those are what i contributed when i went over there their rusa teeth shorts where it's just like the crew doing live action skits those are really funny i like them i remember this one that was uh i think it was a father's day one they did was they were playing um they were playing catch and um as they were passing i think math like it was the guy they were playing with was progressively throwing more dangerous objects at him so like it starts with him throwing the baseball at him and not paying attention to the fact that he's talking then like a basketball at that i think there was a knife like any knife well that was a knife like yeah that's cool yeah they had some good ones yeah um but apparently it's all shit now all right then who's still there then just jeff and gus uh so i think gus is still there i think jeff is still there matt would still be there um and i guess uh that'd be it then as well um yeah that had to be except for the guy who plays talk about i'm not sure he's like a full-time you know rooster teeth guy i'm not sure if that's like so yeah that that would be the crew as it stands i think all right oh god i remember uh i was kind of nervous being there because in one of my episodes of arby and the chief i said griff ball was fucking boring right yeah and i think it was jeff's girlfriend that had come up with that and i was like i was worried i was just like oh they're gonna be like i saw i saw what you said about my game type in that episode i was like oh shit but no i didn't i didn't hear about it so that was a relief um i made an eight in the eight inch half for my shovel years ago i guess it's supposed to be shaft uh it's been the best upgrade i've ever made for my tools why aren't eight inch shovels available commercially i don't know you know what oh god i love them it's a fucking injustice that's what that is i don't know i ask myself that often though yeah yeah why are eight inch shovels available listen if you want something that's eight inches you let me know shovels you don't need shovels or anything you're referring to something more sinister i believe oh we'll be going deeper five dollars for fringy if he says joeman roe likes to grow snow down below although he does oh mo cho who lives on the plateau or plateau lots of dough what a pro bro so fringy uh what what dude he's supposed to chat and tell him to read it all right super chat is requesting that you read this oh okay yeah um joeman roe likes to grow snow below uh down below although he does oh mo cho who lives on the plateau lots of dough what a pro bro beautiful uh i'm currently four minutes into making a 10 minute transformers two parody review it's my first video ever could i get criticism when it's done possibly uh i'll pretty much our thing on that from the beginning has been like wouldn't do you know like critical reviews of of anyone's work by request via buddy it's it seems like a really bad way to go um you know there's other reasons too like it could be really uncomfortable or not not something that we're up on in terms of information required to be effective at it but we wouldn't want to set a precedent where we're like yes pay us and we will review your works like no no no um but good luck a Norwegian farmer had his machine fail over and trap him on an electric fence where he got shocked by electric pulses for like an hour his legs are paralyzed now but he's driving a tractor again wow wow unfortunately it's gone glad it has the happy ending i guess yeah he still drives tractors i feel like that's why we were told about it it's just like by the way you made it he's still driving that tractor um more the game of thrones episode uh season eight episode six when we still no date to be promised on that one tfa part three is the closest one that actually has a date now and it'll be probably in the next two weeks but it could very well be one week just stay quiet about it don't tell anyone okay nice in north america we have one marsupial and we like to trade it for the arse opossum much like australia wyoming is also not real wyoming is right up everyone knows that everyone says wyoming no one asks how fucking this dk is too small i'm just gonna slap the ground till he dies or i'll do this oh yeah that's a dead dk um fun fact marsupials evolved in south america when it was connected to untartica and australia there they were all they were on all three and only survived in australia after they broke apart and untartica froze yeah i'm pretty sure that is correct so they just died in the other two places then so what happened was from what i understand in untartica is just they froze out of wow they should have evolved jackets and from what i understand in uh south america they were eventually hunted by um the animals which were in north america and stuff yeah i'm an hour behind but the okay hand sign is still a thing some race car driver got in trouble for it last week you mean a racist car driver reminder that molars mask is filled with pee all right also high rags hello teddy bears are from teddy roosevelt yeah everyone high rags what did you think of the veil riders the veil riders yeah what do you think of the veil riders i think it's pretty obvious oh i haven't i haven't listened to them i i just i just haven't listened to him yet i'm just buy guard beardy a beardio wait is a is that a song by them no i don't know it's a song by the but he's the one who posted it on i see uh humans are oh wait this is the the more howl thing i have i i know some of it but i haven't watched it yet um if you're dying by the way you are welcome to go to sleep no i'm not well i mean you know i am but i'm still good slow and steady wins the race that's not true it's slow and steady wins the race if the fast one falls asleep actually races are won by the person who is swift and quick and who can reach the finish line without falling asleep that's the important part stupid rabbit if it's a straight line and you're going in a straight line and you fall asleep and the weight of your body presses down on the gas pedal then it's very possible that you could win the race i was referring to an animal not a car i mean an animal could i mean sleep walking if anything if you were on a horse it'd be like easier because the horse could like steer and everything okay in medieval times could you get arrested for for riding your horse while drunk probably or because it's a horse it wouldn't let you like drive into a wall it would just stop on its own because it's like you're like no i'm not not gonna drive into that wall like retard you know you humans i get it you smothered us and stuff but really i don't know humans are instinctually afraid of snakes apparently instinctively afraid of snakes did they do something to us in it some oh wait the spooky snake in eve's garden the garden of eve and eden that's the one right yeah is servant so i i googled it fuck i messed up i said our humans bigger than snakes fuck i'm sorry i it depends we talking harry potter snake so afraid of snakes i don't know why i asked google that question um google's like i mean some humans are i guess i don't know yeah generally um herpidophobia is the fear of reptiles fear of hippies most people are afraid of hippies it looks like that there is a a a 40 year research program demonstrated strong fear conditioning to snakes in humans and fast non-conscious processing of snake images these are mediated by a fear network in the human brain involving the amygdala amygdala yeah so it looks like it says um uh it says research has found humans do not innately afraid of snakes do not innately afraid of snakes yes well then that question answered which is scarier spiders or centipedes oh spiders yeah oh actually oh that's a good one for me it depends on the spider i'll fuck you the fuck up centipedes are not to be trifled with they're terrifying in the right environment i guess but uh you know if you're like the worst of centipedes versus the friendliest of spiders like right dude centipede yeah i think i'm more afraid of centipedes but i don't know there's some spooky spiders out there yeah there are some super duper spooky spiders though and they're in the web so they can be like up in the air and stuff so which means they're closer to your face potentially and that's my no no zone for spiders it's my face i have lots of no no zones for spiders myself i remember this part i remember the coin battle part oh the coin battle was so fun that was a boat you could do yeah i remember coin battle whatever it was called late stage capitalism this is what the game don't you get it they're they're hitting each other a buddy comes out don't you get it be the shit out of each other for money i'm watching you play this smaller and i'm just curious is this a modded version of melee no oh do you think it looks cleaner it's it's an emulator so the resolution is stronger right dolphin right that's what you're playing yeah yeah i just heard you saying it was a fucking hell really you were playing but it looks like melee all the things that could have fell out of that fucking bombs oh my goodness bombs for everyone dude i'm wapping him and it's like his wallet has a hole in it or something are you the small child or the big man i am the tiny child the little mugging simulator where'd your parasol go don't need to come here but you had more money you have to get to 200 in the timeline so you need to beat up that larger man see that's the thing about capitalism it's not just about making money you got to make it in a certain amount of time yeah before you die or during ha ha ideally during death as long as you make it during death you're okay i'm not entirely sure what it means just run with it you're choking but also doing your taxes and getting a fucking mad ass refund yeah while you're you're strangling yourself while masturbating like david karadine you stealing rlm's jokes it's not their joke totally their joke you know what i mean it's totally stealing their joke i'll i'll not accept it that's what i thought no i think i think that this is everyone's joke if you die of auto erotic asphyxiation that's everyone's joke and no one can take that away if you die that's everyone's joke that's everyone's joke you should that's what you should have thought before you you fucking as you were pulling on that that belt around the door you're just like oh this will be everyone's joke like why don't you just take like a sock or something and wrap it around your neck so if a sock yeah i feel like that's just more difficult why are you looking for like less chance of failure i guess you got to experiment with all kinds of things where you can just conclude something like that ragu maybe you should just get a spotter i know it might be a little embarrassing to ask someone especially well you can ask a family member i guess yeah i guess your family member family should understand you yeah i'm sure several of them should be like yeah man i'll spot for you my dude just fucking stay safe man stay safe i'm glad we had that conversation xenomorphs were actually inspired by deep sea specimens makes sense deep sea stuff is spooky i'm not hearing any disagreements on it either so you know it's true when uh they discovered the platypus they sent it back to britain and the scientists they literally didn't believe it was a real animal i mean i could believe that uh what was the point of batwoman season one if kate left before anything was resolved seriously the series didn't set up anything interesting well what we found out that would be 22 episodes and uh there are only 20 because of covid i don't know how they're gonna wrap up kate's involvement in gothams gothams a storyline like i don't think it'll be the big thing was obviously jacob finding out who batwoman was i guess we're not doing that i don't know i guess yeah well they set up a great payoff of jacob learning that his daughter was batwoman oh right she's not gonna be in the fucking show anymore so never mind so much for that why why did she leave this show you guys know she didn't work yeah she didn't like the long hours oh yeah she says the injury is not a part of it i seriously fucking doubt the fact that she had two uh what was it um the party of spine yeah discs of a spine got fucking jutted out to the point where she almost lost the ability to walk like i was like uh i feel like that's probably to do with it the fact you consider the show so fucking reckless is something like that could happen oh yeah the hours are fucking ridiculous i mean working in television fucking sucks so hard what kind of working in television i mean at least a movie suck working on a movie's hard but at least a movie ends you know i mean like tv show just goes on and on and on well i mean it sounds like you've worked on sets so uh how how long can you expect to be on a set oh like uh some 15 hours easy oh god yeah i was guarding an emergency exit for that entire time oh man i was in a i was in a dirty stairwell i was on uh i work in on a show called rush it was basically a spin a ripoff of house okay okay yeah it's just like a you know a reckless doctor who is his his methods are unorthodox but he saves lives he gets results yeah exactly and um my job was to guard a stairwell emergency exit make sure nobody went in or out and there's like power cables running uh it's called seaway running outside down the set of stairs and my job was to just guard it and make make sure nobody came in because uh um they were shooting down the the hallway that was adjacent to where i was uh uh standing and actually i got in trouble at one point during the day because i i out of sheer boredom i was just pacing around and i walked out into the hallway and then i was like i was in the frame i don't think that they were rolling but they were just about to roll and then a producer saw me in the background and he's just like you you can't be here you can't be there get back and i was like wow sorry jesus christ this sounds like a horrendous working environment yeah uh it sucked man i couldn't even there was nobody even to even talk to and it was just literally me sitting on my own for hours and hours and hours like i had a lunch break and everything but then it's back to the spider ridden stairwell just like the idea of some producer is just like you can't be here get out move out of the frame like who are you exactly yeah we have so many people who are on film sets who are desperate to justify their position and look good in front of their superiors a lot of ass kissery and right now so they see anything slightly out of out of line it's like oh i gotta make make a big performance to make sure yeah exactly so people know i care about this production did i care yeah and it's it's fucking uh it's soul sucking you know and people stay in it for the paychecks but like they kind of they're like the pay's too good i don't want to do anything else but then you know they do one day and then the next and then the next shift and then the next show and then the next show and then before they know it it's like they realize they've been doing this for years and and you like the window yeah and the stress of the job has probably shaved 10 years off the end of their life and it does sound like uh production like film sets tv show sets are just like a just like a special kind of hell what what's uh it's like a um damn i it's it's you know it's like a pressure boiler where you got all these deadlines and you gotta wrap up but you hear all day and you have to reshoot over and over and if you don't even like what you're making that's gotta be even worse especially like if you're an actor or something yeah if you do if you work in film television you basically have no life because like like if you especially if you're working like as a grip and you're fucking like plus i did that for a while that's my job was to run sandbags back and forth from the truck to like the shooting set and way down yeah they used that to weigh down c stands which is what holds up lights and stuff all right okay yeah or sometimes flags for shaping the light and um and i would be my job to help the the light rigors set up the lights as well like i would be working with uh electric the electric electrics department and um the zappy boys yeah yeah exactly i almost killed myself actually i like literally like is in your most diamond set yeah because i plugged a massive electrical electrical cable in the wrong way like i turned around so like the ground and the power was like switched around and i i plugged it in and it felt like i got punched in the chest i don't know how i'm still alive yeah maybe you died there and this is hell yeah maybe that was the one day i worked electrics and i learned a very valuable lesson never work like yeah exactly don't get killed um but yeah grips i was i was lugging um you know stands sea stands and sandbags and equipment equipment back and forth from the truck to the shooting set and to the next set and um by the end of the day i was just like you get home and you just want to fall into bed that's all you want to do there's like no time for even socializing with friends or you don't even have the energy to just like talk to whoever you're living with or you know just like i'm going to bed and then you wake up and then you're probably not going to get a full eight hours you'll probably not even going to get six because the turnaround is so bad you know the interesting thing there i guess though is like a lot of the people who are on those sets probably want to make their own shit and yeah it's almost like you you no longer have an opportunity to do that because of the amount of time that you have to spend working in you know on other people's stuff yeah it's sad it's like i've talked to a lot of people on sets they're like i want to direct one day i really like writing or whatever you hear all these creative ambitions from these people and it's like this is my way in you know like i don't i guess that's what i mean like it's like i feel like it's almost like you need to just make your own stuff because if you make your own stuff and then it's really cool you know then then you don't even you don't need to like prove anything to anyone you know you already made the good stuff yeah if if you want to get into film and like a writing or directing capacity don't go in from the bottom up don't be a grip and expect to you know work your way up to that point you have to write you know so that's and that's what i did i was writing scripts and i did my i've been doing my youtube thing and i'm i'm quite happy doing my youtube thing like i don't need to be working for a on a big studio film to feel fulfilled in my life you know what i mean i feel really lucky in that regard because you know i have it i feel like i have it really good um i you know i i write my own content i edit it exactly how i want nobody's telling me what to do yeah um i put out content for an audience that wants to see it people full screen my stuff in their in their own tv at home and they treat it like a cinematic experience and it's like uh i i've i've heard people tell me before it's like are you happy what where you are doing what you're doing for youtube as if it's this kind of fucking stupid thing you know it's it's like oh you're on you're a youtuber really and uh i'm i'm proud of it man and i'm actually i'm happy you know i do i do what i do i enjoy it people dig it well a lot of people i think see youtube as a stepping stone they're like i'll do that and i'll get i'll do youtube in order to do this other thing as opposed to being youtube as an end in and of itself yeah it's uh yeah it's like you know again with our generation it's like we basically built the idea of being like wait a bit you could have a job just doing that and you're like yeah you can yeah it's one of the interesting things is that the the internet has made it to where things have been very uh democratized it's kind of one of the things i'm thinking about because i'm working on a book and then for a long time it's like oh you get it published and more and more i'm like but why though couldn't i just do that myself and make more money you know what what does a publisher offer it's like well they can do the book covers oh i can do that well they do the marketing it's like first of all they don't market your book from what i understand and even then like there's still a lot that comes down to you and if you're going to do it anyway then why don't you do it yourself if if if like half of books sold uh sold on amazon and you can direct publish to amazon wouldn't have made a lot of sense to just do it yourself like that i don't know the internet has made it to where you can do a lot of things yourself and i think um i think it's almost like an antiquated view of well i mean there's youtube and there's internet stuff but then there's like the cinema there's the you know television as if like there's necessarily a pedigree to it yeah i mean i i know i i wouldn't be happy if you know working under the studio system where i you know i have potentially good script in the beginning gets script doctored into oblivion you know and all these executive decisions go into the mix and it's just a piece of shit and then it's your job to bring this piece of shit to life and it sounds like the process of actually making a film is really painful yeah it's kind of it's weird sometimes i watch shows and think about how it must have been like on set and i'm like oh damn that probably wasn't a fun experience for you guys was it i wonder how many awkward encounters these guys had or who they yelled at that day or something like that oh dude yeah i'm sure there's a lot of yelling on set oh every day there's something that's another thing i just couldn't deal with i mean i hated being yelled at on set and a lot of the times that you know sometimes it was my fault sometimes it wasn't uh but like you have uh fuck i remember this one day i was uh i was working as a grip and um the uh the the i can't remember i think this director and the cinematographer are talking to each other and they they say we need uh we need wooden annals for the the floor here because it's carpet and we need like a hard floor i think because they needed to lay down dolly track to like put the camera on and uh the the director told his i can't remember who the name of the role it's basically the director's right hand and the director was just like get me this thing now i need this right now and then when the director says that it's like you're you have to put that same pressure on your guys where you're just like come on i need this right now and then so uh so the key grip found out got the call for it to get these uh wooden boards uh ready but they weren't cut right they needed to be cut first and so this guy is like trembling you know she's so worried trying to get this thing ready and he's got he's operating a saw blade he almost cuts off his fucking hand getting this thing ready right and then as soon as it gets as the square wood panel gets cut literally like right off the blade it gets handed to me so i can run off to the shooting set with it and then i got there and then they said uh oh false alarm we don't need it anymore we figured out a different way so i didn't even cut his hand off over some bullshit precisely got almost lost his hand because of just ridiculous impatience for something that wasn't even needed you know and i'm just like and i was fucking sweating bullets because i'm just like i want to do a good job i want to make sure i get this to them in time and it's just like there's all this needless fucking stress and people shouting in each other i i never yelled at anybody on a film set like i was always very i was as kind as i like that i could possibly i never yelled at anyone on a film no yeah no i i i don't yell at anybody period very very seldom in my life oh yeah would you yell at hitler i suppose i would yeah he's still not gonna understand you yeah you can yell at somebody without them knowing your language you can but i feel like you know hey hitler you know by the way you get a really bad rap but you know i'm your biggest fan and you can say that to him i could picture john saying that yeah but you i did get angry at the end of that day though because like uh we were packing up the truck and um the key grip he walks up to the truck and he fucking flings a sandbag right past my head like it almost hits me yeah and i look i turn around and i look at him and i give him this i didn't shout at him but i gave him this fucking death stare i'm just like are you fucking kidding me i don't advise like that could you you could have really hurt me there and it's just like my nerves were fucking shot after that work day and it's just like i don't need this right now like just be more careful dude and he he tried he warmed up to me a little bit after that because he saw how pissed off it was and uh yeah and in the end it was fine but i was just like this environment is so fucking stressful and i feel sorry for anybody who works in this environment regularly you know i think a lot of people they just become really callous to it this seems that way yeah that's how it goes yeah i'm just like how can you deal with this like fucking i'm whenever somebody yells at me for a film set because i screwed something up or maybe it wasn't my fault either way it's just i feel like absolute shit i'm just oh man well it seems like it almost seems like they're exploiting the fact that there is a totem pole you know social totem pole in this environment you know the director and the assistant director and the producers they're the top dogs and if you screw up you know they can make things difficult for you and so it makes this environment where everybody sounds like they're scared shitless right and everybody wants to get further up yes yeah i've been pissed off on a film set but like um i won't take it out on anybody but and there's a lot of that people take out their rage on people who you know sometimes they screw up there are there are stories about this right like films cover this like on sets with his right crazy shit happening oh there's a great one about film making starring steve buchemi called living in oblivion i think mm-hmm that's a very funny movie about making them what it's like making a movie where you have like uh the actors have this off-camera drama and they hate each other but then they're supposed to like have this chemistry in front of the camera and it doesn't work and that's hilarious everything that can goes can go wrong does go wrong i do wonder if uh because like a lot of old tv shows like the wits and stuff they had a much shorter production turnaround you know and i wonder if they had to work like even longer hours or anything like that or if they did a nine to five you know right but um it seems like the nine to five is gone when it comes to things because things are shot on location things are shot you know exterior not on sets all the time for film yeah it's wishful thinking and i kind of get it in a way like it's it sucks the hours are ridiculous but it's just like we can save so much money if we shorten the shooting days to like two instead of three or something yeah or it's just it means we don't have to lock down this bridge for like an extra day or whatever if we can just squeeze all the shots into two days as opposed to three or whatever like like just squeezing every hour out of people it's brutal but i do understand it on some level but i don't want to be a part of it that world sucks i don't want to be a designer bridge that was that's the other thing too is the amount of effort that goes into productions in vancouver and so many of them suck because the scripts suck crisis on infinite earth well yeah i mean when we were watching that we often made the observation that they were just fighting on some rooftop in vancouver it's impossible not to notice yeah super like they were at a gravel once for the finale for the big battle they went to the dawn of fucking time dude some shots in some shots the gravel was CGI like it was a green screen underneath them oh my god are you fucking with me no rice do you don't remember that yeah that there was so much bullshit i don't remember the CGI grab nice dude i could hide it yeah i can't it sounds like a joke it's not real i don't know i don't know that it was real like the CGI gravel because it what if the whole world is playing a prank on us they were like did you actually think infinitisms was a real project it's like hmm hold on here we go uh oh yeah hold on let me let me see if i can find it it's gonna make me say the n word no okay good god the CGI is so bad it looks like a ps2 video game oh my goodness great all right here we go yeah so um the problem is this is clearly like yeah this is definitely uh some CGI stuff going on let me let me pull it up like a look at this clearly this is there's something wrong with this shot you know they do not look like they're blending into that environment at all oh yeah that looks rough well it's worse in motion because it doesn't look right when the camera moves around it yeah well that's how you can tell right even the actors don't look real something about their expressions and their outfits is just the fact that they're constantly just standing around and and this is what i mean i think uh production became very pronounced when we were watching this because i think i we found out after the fact from interviews that are each of these episodes was made in five days that's like well five days to shoot 40 minutes of content and not only 40 minutes of content but superhero shows with lots of special effects and fight scenes like yeah it ain't gonna pan out well no i can believe it because the final thing looks terrible yeah by the looks of it a lot of people work really hard on that how do you this looks like a freeze frame on like a crane shot or something where it's going up to down or down up but there was a green flaw because they weren't sure of where they were going to be putting them in this final scene yet right oh my god from it yeah but i mean oh wait hold on let me see if i could find another shot oh wait no that was the shot the gravel but it's because the place that they're fighting doesn't have gravel like later on they move to a different location and i guess they forgot like that they forgot that they shot i don't know i'd be willing to believe nobody gave a fuck wow yes it's um oh god the cgi it's so bad yeah i saw a webm of a fight scene i don't know if it was from super girl or something else oh it was super girl definitely i don't want you talking about yeah i was laughing crying laughing so like just oh my god it's and it's ridiculous expectations placed on these people you know it's just you're you want to make a superhero tv show in this time frame that's ridiculous yeah the effects are going to be shit i mean and and part of it is like maybe it's just not a good idea to make a superhero show that needs special effects if you make in a tv show like uh the reason why daredevil is more effective as a tv show than other superhero properties would be it's because he's a normal dude who fights people he just beats them up with fisticuffs so work it works better from that standpoint you don't need to spend a lot of money on visual effects these guys take us to multiple dimensions portals yeah they take us beyond time and space even though they're moving forward in time and there's also space in which they exist in it makes sense stop it and there's oxygen as well i guess because they can breathe yeah the only uh superhero tv show i'm remotely interested in watching is the boys the boys season one's pretty cool yeah it looks like they take their time on that one and they focus on like writing something that's actually decent i think uh but moeller and i kind of concerned that season two might not be as strong yeah one's pretty good right yeah i'm interested i'm gonna i'm gonna check that out but uh i'm gonna check out batwoman first you should the greatness that is batwoman also um i am now getting to the point of super tyritisms and i feel like if half of the cast is potentially like that that maybe we should uh save save the rest for us to catch up on uh the following week crash and spiral into a smoke pit i blame fringy for not living in the exact same time that we were so we could have started i work up so early for this you're there for this not therefore i blame you you could have woken up way later the previous day and it would have been better yeah selfish all right i'll get all that sunshine um in your fake continent but yeah uh i was gonna say like i'll be able to fetch all of these ready there's not actually a huge amount we'll be able to catch up on pretty easily it's just that um i am i am getting uh your knee as well and i wouldn't want to just be low energy as far as i can't be doing that um but before we we we do any kind of signing off i wonder if uh if john would you like to potentially give give give everybody who's listening a um a brief intro to what you do and then tell him where to find you sure so um i've always made videos for youtube i do a show called already in the chief i started it back in 2008 i think and i worked for machinima for a while and now i'm independent and i'm trying to rebuild my channel and um i'm still working on our being the chief i'm working on a video game review show i've got a podcast uh so if uh if you liked listening to me today or you're a fan of our being the chief maybe you were in the past and you're just finding out now that um i started it back up yeah there's probably a few people like that i'm like oh shit it's still doing this like yes yeah uh go ahead might have a website imaginative imaginative logo dot com and uh my username on youtube is digital fear or john graham you can type either one of those into the youtube search and you'll find me my icon is the same and uh smash that subscribe button and uh hit the notification bell and all that fucking bullshit yeah and uh and uh yeah that's that's my that's my stuff so and uh i just want to really thank you guys for having me on this was a blast i really enjoyed this yeah and uh it's good shit i need i needed it you know because i was in this really we had talked about this earlier about just being fucking depressed with everything that's happening in the world and being worried about how i feel just isolated in my opinions because i'm hearing all these fucking seeing all these lunatic things being posted on my social media feed and i'm just like oh my god but uh listening to you guys talking with you guys and listening to your chat and i'm really impressed with your chat and just how everybody here seems to be on the same page on things and it's it's a relief to find out there's still sanity in the world right now so um this this was a terrific podcast and i really i thank you for having me on very kind you you've been a fantastic guest we've been great talked about shit tons oh that we we exceeded what i even thought we would talk about so it's like yeah this is good good shit yeah sometimes we get guests and we just have to poke them with a stick to make noise yeah come on you wanted to be here say something yeah and uh yeah yeah it was uh thanks for so much input and uh and uh and talks about creative writing and what not yeah it was everything that was in the title we covered good job a lot of mind to suck in there we just absorb it through your brain whole no problem i'm happy to do it i love talking about the writing process and i don't get asked about it nearly enough so whenever somebody does and who has a mutual interest i'm just like hell yeah i'd love to talk about the process because i always love hearing about the process from other people but i don't know about the process yeah right yeah so do i i wish more people were interested in my brain instead of my body you need to make you need to make a smash hit machinima as well right yeah do it get all the questions about got it um also fringy what what do you do why do you do it and why should everyone subscribe like they probably um know you exist i'll be trying to stream but the internet keeps cutting out so that's messing things up as what i'm actually doing i'm working on my book i can't really talk about that because i'm not really there yet so legally you can't talk about it i understand um and also i don't want to cock teas be like hey here's an idea and then not execute on it so whenever something's done you know i'll let you know and then you can take a gander at it um but i don't know just twitter even though i barely use twitter which i think it's a good thing in general oh yeah so if there was a link to give people you want it to be a is it your twitch your twitter or youtube uh go go go to my youtube yeah i go i figured it would be your youtube i meant i meant fringy i guess oh i'm sorry no no uh i'm not i'm undecided twitch baby i don't know yeah all right that's um i'll find a link you'll be a sanity right yeah yes that's the twitch channel let's uh last played call of duty moa so gay hey shut up and and i would have played more but my internet got sabotaged there's your links goblins yeah it was something but um yeah i've been trying i've been trying to do that once a week at least but uh as you can tell with mixed results but uh as for anything else yes oh maybe i should show my twitter actually even though i barely use it i feel like that's healthy though you know the fact is like i'm not using i use my a lot but like it's only ever like hey update on video hey snarky like i tweeted while we were doing this podcast someone there's all i put is a confused obama is my response but like the tweet says moeller is one moeller is the one person who think critical thinking is bad he thinks that if you want to talk about a movie's theme then you analyzing it wrong that's me what the fuck i did not get that at all yeah that's the description that it's such a like okay that's amazing some of the conclusions people come to that comment was stupid yeah um but yeah do you mind if i plug my twitter as well go for it i forgot to mention it so jcj graham on twitter if you want to follow me on there i used to post like opinionated stuff on there but i kind of stopped doing that because i was tired of arguing with people on twitter but i i use it to like promote my videos and stuff like if i post anything i'll make a twitter thing i'll post it so yeah follow me on there if you want to stay up to date on my stuff no you go uh what else is there i guess thank you all for watching we got knocked out of the old subscription box pretty early this time so it makes sense that like there's only people who are aware of it to begin with that are still here now it's nice and late too but uh that would be efap92 93 will be next week who knows what we're doing i certainly don't and then 100 is on the way but the the content updates are that tfa part 3 the thing i've been talking about weekly for the past half a year coming is is really on the way now like super on the way like like on the on the way hey guys it who knows what efap it'll be where i'm like now it's ready and it's coming to a doorstep new year could be the next one what if you let's see let's you get that done and then you premiere it and while that's premiering we have an efap and see who they really love me or refined me we will find out uh yeah uh we'll need to we're stacking up on memes i'm not sure how we're going to deal with that if we're not doing another meme watch them no i meant like image memes stacking up but we will watch those as well yes um we'll use our eyeballs thank you so much for hanging out with us all of you and thank you for the very generous donations as i said we'll we'll read the rest out probably the is day tuesday one of the days that isn't wednesday or maybe wednesday toy story four efap movies is coming out next week wednesday probably and then batwoman will be returning a week after that so it's so much fun on the way i don't know what else to say anymore anything what thanks thank you guests for not only coming but for staying for the for the how long did we stream what we stream it only says eight hours ago but it feels longer but it's probably because i had to wake up early to do stuff before we streamed eight hours and eight minutes apparently not bad thank you swim past tense of stream is strum we strum for eight hours we strummed that's the one i get strummed plus strum plus we strummed um but yeah anything else anyone say before we close off i don't think so oh i i think no all right then well it's been a lot of fun thank you all for watching and we shall see you next week goodnight absolutely yeah thank you so much guys thank you thank you chat thank you everybody