 So we're here at Mobile World Congress. Hi. Hi Nicholas, how are you? You have a really nice big booth right here. Thank you very much. We tried to improve on CES at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona now. So the Cosmo is coming? Yes, so we're showing the sample of the Cosmo outside screen. So showing the bits of the UI and how we see these things working for the new Cosmo communicator that Planet Computers is launching later this year. It's approaching very fast, right? It is and I can happily say that the PCB is actually going into the first production run, well first run actually it was closed on Friday so it's going into production now and also we closed the mechanical design which means that both the mechanical design we can go into tooling and we can go into production of the PCB for the first prototypes, right? So this is very exciting because a lot of things have now been fixed. We've got a lot left to do in terms of changes, etc. Hopefully, hopefully. But I think we're pretty much on track which is good news. Stable. It's going to be stable. Well, it's a new device. We hope it is extremely stable, yes. And then I saw you have partners at the booth right here. Yes, so we're very pleased to have Oxense with us. For the Gemini, we have a few announcements this week. One announcement is that we will launch, we're launching the Android 8.1 on the Gemini. So at the moment, Android was shipping with Android 7.11. Now we've achieved GMS with Android 8.1 so we're extremely pleased with that and there are some versions that will be available this week. Let's say candidate release versions from our support website. So look at support.planetcom.co.uk for the new 8.1 Android for Gemini. But as well as that, we are announcing some new things and one of them is with our partners Oxense who are very pleased are joining us at the stand this year. So we can walk towards them and see a little bit. These guys from France. That's correct. So it's a great company. We have a great system called Oxi and basically what happens is when we're looking at the Gemini, if you plug it into a large screen. So it's right here. Yes, if you see the Gemini here. And then you have a PC mode. When it's plugged into the large screen with HDMI, with our HDMI cable, we can create with Oxi the window environment so we can get multiple applications. But maybe before we have a demo, maybe we can introduce the team. So Jeremy. Hi. Hi. I'm Jeremy and I'm a city of Oxense on the lead developer of the project. Nice. And hi. Who are you? I'm Laurent Frès. I'm co-founder of Oxense. And I'm a developer of Android at Oxense. So you are using the Gemini PDA right here. Yeah. And you modified something so you have a full desktop mode and second display. Yeah, yeah. As the Gemini PDA has a HDMI out, sorry. We can connect it to another screen and then with modification of the system. We added our software. Let's resize the windows you can show. So we have a full desktop environment with a resizable window. And you have access to all the Android application on the phone. And you have also access to remote application, virtual application. So those are all the apps right now on the Gemini PDA. And then you have some extra apps that are running through the cloud. Yeah, yeah. So all the apps with a blue dot are running on the cloud. And all the apps without are the apps from the phone. So, for example, I can launch to an app which is on the phone. I don't have much connection. So maybe the Wi-Fi connection is a little bit slow? Yeah, yeah. But I have access to Excel. I can launch, I have long ribbons running right now. I can start work, for example. With the 4GB of the Gemini PDA, we can launch a lot of application at least 10, 15 applications without any issue. And you can still use the phone at the same time. And this is just using their Type-C to HDMI adapter right here? Yes, yes, yes. And at the same time, you want to be charging? Yeah, you can charge it at the same time. We can disconnect it, that's okay. And this one can also maybe be used for a hub, I think, maybe? I don't remember. One of the two can be used as a USB underground. And it's still the full Android here? Yeah. At the same time, desktop mode? Yes. And it's smooth? Yeah, it's smooth. And do you want to talk a little bit about... So what are some of the challenges at Oxen's right now? You're getting the software to work on many different things? So we are actually working on bringing digital workspace to Oxen's. Yeah? Yeah, we are working on a new application, a Windows application, like a new device. So you are connecting remotely to a cloud system? Yes. That runs full Windows apps? Yeah. Like this one? Yes. It's a full GIMP, desktop GIMP? Yes, it's a full GIMP. And it feels like a local? Yeah. It feels like a local? If you are another in a trade show and you have a good internet? A good internet connection? Yes, it's really good. We have less than 50 minutes of latency, usually 20-25 minutes, so it's quite fast. For professional usage, it's quite efficient. Are you able to do all your work on the Gemini PDA now? Yeah. You do all your apps, whatever you want? Yeah, you can. Actually, I was talking about some people from the Gemini before, to be able to flash on the work on devices from the Gemini itself. Flash? Yeah, using the Gemini to debug other phones. You're doing that? No, I haven't thought about that, but I think I might try it soon. But yeah, for an office environment, the Gemini PDA plus Oxy, plus the digital workspace, you have a full desktop environment, a full productive environment, and all your usage is one device. And so you just come to the office, you put it blank, blank, desktop, do your work, and then pull it out, all your apps, not the Windows apps, you cannot have it in normal Android, only in the desktop. Yeah, you have it only on desktop. So for example, if you are somewhere with Internet connection, you can work with the full Windows application, but when you're on the go somewhere where there is not so much Internet connection, you can just use the local application, which might be a bit less efficient than the real one, but you can still work at the point. And when you will get some connection back, you will just start again to work. It will synchronize with the digital workspace, and you will still continue to work on the same documents, but with the full environment. And right here, this is the laptop. Yeah. And you're running a BQ phone that has a Type-C? Yeah, this is a BQ Aforis X2 Pro, I think, yeah, it's a Pro. So can you show a little bit? Yeah, sure. You have all your apps? Yeah, so this time the same. We have all the apps available on the phone plus the application from the digital workspace. And we can still use the phone at the same time. Yeah. So this is to be seen if there will be a way to get this in here with the HDMI to DP converter. Potentially it could just work with a laptop too. Yeah. But then the commands have to go back with the USB. Yeah, that's a challenge, maybe. With that one, that's okay because with DisplayPort we get all the inputs back to the phone, so keyboard, touchpad. We could even have some USB inputs inside, SD card or camera, so we can get back to the phone. At the same time, the laptop can charge the phone. So there is just only one cable. And that's the magic of DisplayPort, of display connectivity, you just plug and that's it. You forget it. It's just going to charge the phone. It's not sure yet if this can be happening on the next version of this, the Cosmo, to do the whole... Maybe on the next version. But right now this one is on the desktop screen at the desk at home. This is a video output, but at the same time you have two USB-C connections, so that's really okay for that one. Nice. And you do it in 1080p, right? Not 4K. That one is... Yeah, this one is on Full HD, yes. Full HD. Maybe the Cosmo will run to 4K. I'm not sure. I have to ask. This is Mobile Watch Congress, so you're trying to get some... You want a lot of different phones to support the Oxy, right? Yeah, of course. So how many phones can support it so far? So far, officially. So you have a big camera here, but there is Huawei and Samsung have Type-C, but there was an essential, right? We edit working on a lot of phones, especially with the treble work for Android, so it's a lot easier to port Oxy on different phones. So the treble makes it easier for everything to get updated, though? For regular people, it should help them to get more updates. It's not really, really true in fact. Even for us, it's not really true that it helps a lot. It's not like life-saving, but it helps a lot for us to push Oxy on new devices. So we can port Oxy unofficially right now on a lot of devices, especially the Q, an essential phone, yes. We had it working in the past on LG and some other Chinese phones. Officially, right now, there is VGME, which is... How much work was it for you to make it work? You just know what to do to make it work? I would start to have a bit of experience on the Android system, so we know that working with different manufacturers of system chips can be difficult. For example, we know that Qualcomm is quite standard, but when we go to MediaTek, it can be a bit more tricky, but we are used to that now. Can you have a little app, a little icon here? When you click it, then it actually puts your UI here, or is that too much? Actually, disabled on that one, but we could. You could? It would be like a little icon? To have it working here? This and this, or you can choose. If you don't want to use an external display, maybe also run it here, you know, your UI. That's the main UI. Yeah, we could... Yeah, we can have one here or here if we want. For the touchscreen, this is actually in our roadmap for this year. So, just wait and see. Maybe some nice surprises in the year. Cool. All right, so this is getting smooth. Is there any updates on potentially having support for consumers to have regular consumers have access to this functionality? How soon? Can they just get it now? Get it now really soon with Gemini, for sure. And with other phones, it depends on how we can convince manufacturers to integrate oxygen inside. So you are having this beautiful, amazing, what's called desktop apps running through the cloud on the UI, just in a window. Is there any chance you could potentially run virtual apps natively? Or is that too much to change the Android to support that? Or, you know, is that too much? So, without system change, do you mean? Let's say to have Ubuntu support on new Android. Ah, Ubuntu apps. Ah, okay. That's way too strange. I'm a technical guardian and I like challenges, so I would say, yeah, technically, it should be possible. What do we need to do to make that happen? A big modification in the Android? In fact, I think if you have this CH route, it might be possible. Actually, there is some features that are in roadmap, but for specific users, is to embed the X server inside Oxy, so we can run a Linux application remotely by SSH. But this is like, roadmap plus plus. Because this phone is famous for dual booting? Yes. And I think triple booting and stuff. Triple booting, yeah. It's doing all these different OS. So, how can you take advantage of that, potentially? Good question. I haven't thought about that, so... Let me give you another crazy question. Because Windows Microsoft is working on ARM, you know? Yeah. So, what are the chances that we might be able to run some Windows apps natively on the Android? Good question. If we are capable of having the runtime compatible with Android, yes, we could definitely run Android, sorry, Windows application on Android. But we would need support for the runtime, the Windows runtime, which might be a bit difficult to have. For now, you have the first solution right now, just Cloud. Just doing a system of the Cloud, running the apps over the server, right? Yeah. At least for business, yes. For us, we have the best solution, definitely. Because for company, if you have application on the Cloud, you can use it. If you have application on Android, you can use it. And if you still have all the application, you can just run it through our digital workspace and then you can access it. So, in all cases, this is sufficient for companies. But for general consumers, we think about some kind of Cloud services for consumer grade with access to different applications, maybe some subscription to services. So, for photo editing, maybe for office work, we'll see in the future. So, what I want to do when I get back home, I'm joking, is I want to do 4K video editing using your system. And I would have a hub with my SD card, right? And how do I get the file into the app? Because it's on the Cloud. Do you have a Cloud storage area, too? Or does it just have to upload, stream the file up? This is in development, actually. It's a unified storage with intelligent synchronization. So, that means it will synchronize only the most recent files. And the most recent files must use it, most probable of use. And so, if you disconnect, you can still use the file on the phone. If you reconnect, it will synchronize both files directly as soon as possible. And it will be compatible with the file system of the enterprise. So, that means if it's a window file server, you will be able to use it. If it's webdav, you can use it. If it's something already integrated, like Google Drive or OneDrive, you can use it. So, what happened? If it's OneDrive or if it's something that already has a synchronization agent, like Google Drive or OneDrive or Dropbox, you can use it right now. Nice. You just click and the file is right there in the video editor would run. You can integrate it inside the digital workspace and you have access to the file from your Android application and from the remote application. Nice. So, how's this Oaksense experience for you so far? You've been doing lots of technical stuff, right? Yeah. A new career. Lots of cool things. What are you doing before? Before, I worked also on other Android systems. So, for me going into the system, it was a bit, I was a bit used, but now that we have more experience in development of Android application, complex Android application, but also Android systems, we have a possibility to help people, to help companies to do projects with Android.