 and we've got we got a lot of people here tonight and george you're looking a little fuzzy there but maybe that's some vaseline on the lens or something we're not quite sure what's going on but our guest tonight is a drugs in the air and bigots yeah right babe it goes on there stays there but our guest tonight is tim fridelander and we got some great tech questions and we're going to learn all about sound box la and some of the work they did over there in a very short period of time and you've got something about usb in there's something like that everybody's talking about that justifying usb audio wise stuff to my stuff usb 3 yeah okay whatever and i got a rant later on too so stay tone voiceover body shot coming right up two men twin sons from different mothers with a passion for voiceover recording technology and the desire to make recording easy for voice actors everywhere together in one place george will the home studio engineer to the stars a virginia tech grad with an unmatched knowledge of all the latest gear and technology and voiceover today dan Leonard the home studio master a voice actor with over 30 years experience in broadcasting and recording and a no holds barred myth busting attitude for teaching you how easy it is together to bring you all the latest technology today's voiceover superstars and leading the discussion on how to make the most of your voiceover business this is voiceover body shop voiceover body shop is brought to you by voiceover essentials dot com home of harlan hogan's signature products source elements remote connections made even easier vo to go go dot com everything you need to be a successful voiceover artist j michael collins demos award-winning demo production voice actor websites dot com where your voiceover website won't be up in the butt and voiceover extra your daily resource for vo success and now live from their super secret multimedia studio in sherman oaks california here are george wittem and dan lennard good evening i'm dan lennard and i'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vio yes wow yeah that was awesome in live studio audience here in sherman oaks and you're in you're at nab in vegas i mean we literally just arrived at the apartment we're staying into airbnb vaccine and i am we're going to be walking the halls tomorrow and covering a bunch of stuff and hopefully we'll have some cherry-picked items for you on next week's show that'll be great you know it's nab is well let's put it's clearly it's a digital orgasm essentially it is more equipment than you can possibly deal with and so uh after my experience there last year in the year before but uh lucky you you get to be there it's a lot to cover but more so i'm trying to not be overwhelmed by the sheer volume of it all and find some really cool stuff and also some cool people because we're going to get to talk to josep riano randy thomas is here at a podcast booth joe joe's here with bsw and then our source elements our friends of source elements um we'll be talking to a lot of people tomorrow so stay tuned for that next week very good looking forward to it and we've got some uh interesting tech stuff to to talk about tonight and if we can get our mouths to work and uh so let's get things rolling it's now time for voice over body shop presents the v of bs voice over extra news all the information you need for a successful voice over career take that all righty for april ninth the voice over extra news why change now if you've been running your voice over business and voicing scripts in the same way for years why change now maybe you're in a soso rut maybe you'd like to boost your voice over income this year or if you're a vo newcomer how do you know when it's time to move forward to get to the next level like joe lesh says in his latest mojo friday video the same old tricks equal the same old life joe is your instructor at the vo booth camp online and in a brief video now on voice over extra he argues that hesitation to move forward usually comes from a lack of confidence if you don't go for it joe says you'll always be where you are right now failing to act will get you nowhere confidence is indeed a main ingredient to success and to that talent manager silia seagull adds seven career green lights signals that you can and should move forward they're detailed now in an article on voice over extra dot com look at the features headlined at the top of the home page and here are the highlights of those important seven signals can you afford the investment of the change your heart says yes you've hit a plateau and need to move on your booking ratio is going up so continue that climb you've consistently hit your financial goal for at least four months in a row keep it going you've got connections in this biz and the vo business itself is giving you the green light so silia reminds us that sometimes the voice over industry chooses you and sweeps you into the tide pay attention those signs will be everywhere check out silia's article and joe's video now on voice over extra your daily resource for voice over success well important stuff there uh it's a tough career and uh our guest tonight tim freedlander is going to talk about some of the stuff he went through uh because i have a feeling you went through all that stuff gone through a lot of yeah i bet you have we'll talk to tim in just a little bit but you've got uh your tech update this week is about usb stuff yeah i found a great article i'm on the mailing list for for audience the makers of great audio interfaces like the id 14 id 4 id 22 and now the id 44 and their blog's really good because it's not a self promoting blog it's really a pretty educational blog i do recommend you guys subscribe to it over at audience dot com at a u d i e n t but the product they're talking about lately with the technology rather is usb versus three or even fun thunderbolt and so they really want to explain why their products particularly are still using usb 2.0 and usb 3 has been around for a few years now and basically what they say is imagine a crude analogy imagine two roads one with just one lane usb 2.0 and one with multiple lanes usb 3.0 and both roads have the same speed limit while the bigger lane can carry more vehicles at the same time the vehicles themselves can still travel at the same speed on either road if there's a quite heavy traffic then a smaller road will get clogged up and less cars will be able to travel down this road compared to the larger road so ever and like traffic both roads will be able to throughput the same amount of cars it's just that there is a lot of spare room on the larger road so this analogy we can compare light traffic to audio data light traffic in other words not a lot of cars that's audio data audio data isn't extremely heavy like video data like midnight on the 405 that's video data audio data is audio data is the i-15 freeway between LA and Las Vegas when to get over the alcohol pass that's audio data which some of you understand what i'm talking about uh it works fine on both large and small roads heavy traffic would be video data and huge data transfer from a hard drive to prove this we can actually do the math and work out how much of the usb bandwidth is required by audio data but you know if we take the worst case scenario of something with 44 channels of audio that would be the id 44 their new product working at 96 kilohertz and using a bit depth of 24 bits in other words the settings completely maxed out it's using a bandwidth of 480 megabits per second which is what usb 2.0 can actually handle this means that the interface is transmitting or receiving 44 separate streams of samples and each sample is made of 24 bits so the point being is that um their system despite using what's considered an older system is still a little more stable usb 3 no specification requires complete backwards compatibility for usb 2 so even if usb 2 falls out of usage usb 2 devices like the id 44 and all of this stuff from audience and the vast majority of all the audio devices you guys are using with usb no matter how much we progress with usb 3 all that stuff continues to to work so it just makes for a more stable system um usb versus thunderbolt why not thunderbolt it's because thunderbolt is not completely prevalent on all computers especially on pc so audio wants to make a product that plugs into the most possible computers you know in comparison apollo talked about the apollo arrow recently that product went the other direction instead of having a standard that's supported by the most computers they took a chance and made a product that's supported by the least number of computers in using thunderbolt 3 on the apollo so audience idea is to be more compatible on more devices that's the key to sum up they wanted their devices their interfaces to be available and be able to be used anywhere using a format that almost all computers supports you'll never turn up at a friend's place with your audience product and not be able to into their mac or their pc so that's why usb 2 that's why it still persists and you know audience is one company but many others are going to probably share the same reasoning for using this old technology all right you know is it going to make a difference i mean some people still use an usb 2 it's like just plug it in and it works so i know i mean usb 2.0 is again the it's still the most common gold standard in the world of recording audio for all those reasons we just don't need this big fat crazy pipe we need something that's a good reliable pipe and that's why usb 2 is still the standard for most audio gear all righty you know if you'll notice we're actually in tim's old studio right now that's we're gonna be talking about that what it used to look like and what it looks like now in just a couple of minutes so stay tuned for that uh and we've got uh we've got a great question about cables and we've got uh we've got tim frelander and a lot of people in here so stay tuned we'll be right back here on voiceover body shot as a voice talent you have to have a website so what a hassle getting someone to do it for you and when they finally do a break or don't look right on mobile devices they're not built for marketing and seo they're expensive you have limited or no control and it takes forever to get one built and go live so what's the best way to get you online in no time go to voice actor websites dot com like our name implies voice actor websites dot com just does websites for voice actors we believe in creating fast mobile friendly responsive highly functional designs that are easy to read and easy to use you have full control no need to hire someone every time you want to make a change and our upfront pricing means you know exactly what your costs are ahead of time you can get your voice over website going for as little as seven hundred dollars so if you want your 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to take it why yes you do getting started in vo dot com that's getting started in vo dot com are you confused about how to set up and maintain a professional quality voiceover studio no wonder the information out there is mostly mythology this is the best microphone to use you'll have to have a preamp you need a soundproof booth this software is the best your audio must be broadcast quality consult with someone who knows the truth someone who's been there in the trenches doing voiceover for over 30 years someone with unparalleled experience with voiceover studios who's worked with hundreds of voice actors and designed hundreds of personal studios he knows how to teach and cares about your success in one of the harshest environments known to voiceover your home dan lenard the home studio master separate myth from fact and get a handle on your personal voiceover studio contact a home studio master at home voiceover studio dot com drop off a specimen of your dry audio for a free analysis all righty and we're back here on voiceover body shop on a monday night tim freelander is standing by with lots of other people you know let's get some applause in here to get an idea on the audience cam there so so we can see how many people we've actually got stuffed in here yes it's a party here at voiceover body shop and uh and of course you can be here too if you want to be here for uh when we when we shoot the show on monday night live if you happen to be integrator los angeles area just let us know right the guys at the obs dot tv give us your name your social security number your bank account numbers and we'll show you the secret handshake and let you in here but anyway but you gotta leave early because it's not easy to get here at 530 on any day in los angeles so maybe on easter okay so george and i have a very specific job in this world and that's to take care of your home voiceover studios it's amazing what people uh you know try to do in their home voiceover studios but uh if someone wants to work with you george how do they go about doing that well you need to go find me over at george.tech.com and that's my home on the web for anything tech support that i do for the voiceover community from sound checks to making uh your customized twisted wave stack creating audiobook mastering settings or designing a studio acoustic treatment that's where it's all done you can schedule me right there it's an automated scheduling system or some of the stuff's virtual send me audio and i send you back your files so you can work with me a lot of different ways cool yeah and if you want to work with me you know because we're here uh you all you have to do is go over to homevoiceoverstudio.com and click on the contact me and uh we'll talk also if you want to drop off a sample of your audio so i can listen to it by the way george gets to listen to it every now and again too we do talk about these things you know we don't we don't mention any names but we do talk about these things and uh so if you go to my my website and click on the specimen collection cup and that will take you to a dropbox and you can send me some of your audio and i'll give it a listen which brings me into my rant this week which i have not had a chance to do for a while because i've been getting audio from people and uh and then somebody wrote to me over the weekend about about all the great equipment there is out there to use in uh in a voiceover home studio and it hit me like for the last 15 years all i've been talking about is all the stuff that we use for voiceover none of it except for a little tiny percentage was designed for voiceover it was all designed for recording music and producing music we're just borrowing this stuff we're just using it and adapting it to our purposes so i think it's important that people understand that it's not the equipment yeah it's great to have great stuff yeah it's great to have that Apollo twin yeah it's great to have that stuff the thing is nobody needs to see how the sausage is made and the fact is is most engineers they want it clean and they want you not messing with it so there's no piece of equipment there's no filter there's none of the stuff that's going to give you a competitive advantage what they're looking for is that you're not using crappy equipment that sure there's not background noise that there isn't electrical noise if you can create a good acoustical environment that's going to cause that's going to solve a lot of your problems right up front most engineers don't want you throwing lots of compression or throwing noise reduction on it or my favorite the noise filter which will filter out not only the noise but also your voice uh... somebody wrote to me this week i got a u-87 an avalon m5 and i listen to it like yeah that sounds like an an u-87 an m5 that'd be great if you're on some fm station in 1978 but uh... it's not what they're looking for the idea of a home studio is not to make you sound great if you're a voice actor you should already sound great the idea is to make you sound like you and that's my rant for this week god well said sir did i blow your ears off or what no i'm just checking the audio on facebook because there's you know a few people saying we don't have our usual dulcet tones we sound sound quite as good as usual so i'm just working on what i can from this end to make it sound as clean as i can all right that said issue uh... it and it's right i'm reading the chat room it's great i love our chat room it's fantastic community and they keep us honest and they make sure our audio and our videos are but what i was going to say is that that story that ran reminded me just a little like story from today but they got here kind of late because a good client of mine uh... called me while is that the golden corral it's very eating a fine fine meal i'm sure yes it's very having much he was having trouble because a client complaining about his audio quality the thing is he's using an avalanche m5 it's going through a mackey 1202 mixture and into a steinberg u r 22 and it's a signal chain that i set up for him a long time ago the problem is he's moved and things have gotten out of wax of his signal chain isn't quite dialed in the way it should be and he's resolved that what the results are is not so great audio in fact clients are complaining of distortion the great parties when he's working remotely and using his mic port pro the time the sounds fantastic so he plucks them like right in the mic port pro right into his mac beautiful sound he's using his fifteen hundred dollar preamp you know now all that stuff not so great sound so i just thought it's hiding beautifully really more gear there the more there is to screw up more you have to check on and monitor and it's just you know folks unless you have specific need for that extra equipment keep it simple i've been totally agree as simple as possible now of course i i can hear are some of our guests ears melting as i was saying that carson back is a great engineer in tim freder who's our our main guest tonight is uh... they're both audio engineers will talk about this they're also music guys and that's a that's a whole different thing uh... so it's important for people to understand that unless you're a musician you don't need to have all the expensive stuff it's all about acoustics and my technique in setting proper levels and that will solve a lot of problems anyway we have a question from our amazing audience out there uh... from joy baker who says thank you so much for dobs sharing your time and expertise i've listened to the podcast for over five years and i've recently started watching live and i know she's out there star in the chat room before it is a highlight of my week well thank you for joining us joy uh... she says i'm rearranging my studio to have an editing station and remote recording set up in my book both connected to the same computer a pc uh... i feel like there are some i i feel like there are cables everywhere i'm trying to try to think up and was hoping you could outline some smart cable protocol can i have long parallel runs of cables is it a big deal if they overlap a little should all necessary crossing be at right angles i have some cords loosely wrapping an old gavel galvanized to help them from getting out work get them help them get from one place to another without dropping out well i cause problems i know it's best to have every court just the right length but if they're too long what can i do with the access make a nice loop with tape with electrical or pain estate other different rules for different types of cables do some cables play nice with others i have u s b three u s b two hdmi quarter inch audio eight inch audio power cables dv i dv i d and vga with extensions and splitters for most of the above are you sure uh... that's a lot of stuff uh... you know i i know from from my experience back in the analog days i'm doing radio remotes and another station actually come over the microphone uh... there there are problems with cables but with modern technology it's not quite the same so what what are the proper protocols for all these cables i'll tell you the most important thing by far is not having power cords running parallel the microphone cables so any mic that goes from mic to preamper mic to a mixer mic to interface you do not want that cable running right alongside parallel to a power cable that's really the most important thing and the thing you guys really should try to avoid if at all if at all possible the rest of the stuff it's not really that big a deal because we're all running very short cable runs we're not running really really long cable runs and we're not running really complicated studios yeah i mean i don't think that just happen to have some cables yeah i mean how long is this thing this thing is this is a four-foot cable this is usually how long it is and usb cables unless they're really lousy cables aren't really subject to interference or anything they're all this is these are all shielded cables and they don't really cause those types of problems i think a lot of this is old methodology uh... but i'm sure i'll get a lot of earful from someone about that well i don't have problems and from extending them too long a good cable or trying to extend them more than one time they can get really flaky when that happens now so just keep your sb runs at short as possible keep your video digital video runs at short as possible also like hdmi those can get flaky over really long runs analog stuff ironically can handle much longer cable runs usually line levels microphone about balanced microphone vg video which is analog can handle some pretty long runs without any problems and that's that's the whole idea behind xlr cables is that they're they're these balanced runs and they they they prevent the interference that they were designed for exactly i mean in a nutshell a balance signal of audio signal has three wires one grounds then there's a plus and a minus and so the plus and the minus carries the same signal but they're completely out of phase of each other they cancel each other what happens is noise that gets into the cable cancels itself because the two signals when they come back at the other end are reversed and come back in phase and sound or the noise i should say basically canceled out and it disappears it's without diagrams kind of hard to describe but that's why a balance is so crucial for microphone signals so you don't have a hum or a buzz again if you have a power cord and a mic cable if they do have to go in close proximity it should cross at right an angle as you can avoid parallel have them cross at an angle you should be just fine because that the power doesn't have a chance to interfere or noise on the cable if it's crossing at an angle so if that's an issue for you then just try that that's of course joey is room should probably report to us in the in the chat room which uh... jack daniel of course monitoring with marvelous expertise tonight uh... that uh... she's not in good she's not experiencing any problems because it's just a mess of cables i mean you should see how this place is that i thought about a mess of cables because we've got some long runs in here uh... but it really shouldn't be a big deal so to report to us if you're actually having any problems because if you're not if they broke don't fix it do we have a club membership for for uh... chatroom members who get the most text support from our show because you could be entered in the running for it is that i think we provided majority of her recent tech support yeah show what i did and she was there's a problem to just think i got lots of cables and you know just tied up in a nice little great not in bow and stuff be fine anyway that's a free lander and lots of other people are standing by and uh... with big breath to talk to us about all sorts of cool stuff that uh... that he's been involved with uh... so stay tuned we'll be right back here on voiceover body shop do not go away are you confused about how to set up and maintain professional quality voiceover studio no wonder the information out there is mostly ethology this is the best microphone to use you'll have to have a preamp you need a soundproof booth this software is the best your audio must be broadcast quality consult with someone who knows the truth someone who's been there in the trenches doing voiceover for over thirty years someone with unparalleled experience with voiceover studios who's worked with hundreds of voice actors and designed hundreds of personal studios he gets out of teach and cares about your success in one of the harshest environments known to voiceover your home dan lenard the home studio master separate myth from fact and get a handle on your personal voiceover studio contact the home studio master home place over studio dot com drop off a 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you're watching voice of a body shot minus far we had minus four db we're minus four db on that's right turn that pop that down all right yeah we're back uh... like to introduce our guest uh... tim friedlander is a great friend of ours this is a guy who uh... successful in the voice over business to all sorts of great stuff which will tell us about also musician you have a master's degree in music education all sorts of cool stuff and he owns a studio quite unlike this one uh... so uh... why don't we welcome to the show he's been here before many times but not as a guest on air tim friedlander welcome thank you nice to see you you know you're a great friend and uh... you know and you've done some great stuff in the voice of your community here in l a but first tell us a little bit why you're where you're from originally in how you got into voice over as a good question uh... it's a long one is a long one i'm from um... i don't originally group uh... farm now in the world is nobody actually from i don't know okay born in spokane but never lived there and lived in the middle of the lake court lane uh... on big farm my parents built their own farm we moved up there and tell us about ten and and uh... move from there to north of seattle uh... when i was about eleven years old and lived up there until about two thousand two when i moved out to l a in two thousand two and uh... there i am what what brought you down here uh... it was it was it wasn't the affordable housing two thousand two it wasn't so bad now it was uh... i'm a musician and at that time i had been doing had been in voice over for a couple years so the thought was well just moved to to l a and you know i can support my music career by doing voice over uh... which which uh... didn't work out too well but you know i had really had no plan it was september like middle september and my lease was up in october i think i moved to l a so i threw everything in a u-haul a couple weeks later and drove to l a yeah and that was my plan usually it's a it's a Volkswagen fan or something like that but uh... so but but how did you get into voice over i mean obviously the review your your multi-talented but what what took you to this particular genre of employment the question well it it took me a long time to get to this point i did my first demo in ninety eight ninety nine but you know a lot of it back then was you have a great voice you should do voice over yeah i heard that one before and i came from uh... my dad's a drama teacher and a singer and an actor and i kind of grew up in that environment so i was used to using my voice and being on stage and using it along those lines so i just found a coach in seattle and started training training with her and worked for a couple years uh... and came to l a of the demo in two thousand two and that was really kind of set up by training i didn't really pursue i didn't know how to do it properly i didn't know how to keep training i didn't know who to study with i didn't know how to get auditions and in two thousand two were talking pretty it a place that's pretty bad access everything was you know all agent base at that point and you know i failed at it for the next thirteen fourteen fifteen years um... had to support yourself in that time uh... i i thought play music and i thought uh... i spent ten years teaching the private schools in los angeles and i thought music and i've got private lessons in music and would work in the only odd job you can get kind of special being a musician you got to do a lot of things at one time yep transport self so about three four years ago you were you're not ready to block the door and head out of your house on the island what was going on you know i didn't i didn't exist in the voiceover of four years ago and i'm less than four years ago uh... and it was you know i guess i'm kind of you know going back and looking a little bit kind of at my history is that you know for a long time i decide i suffer from severe depression a lot and i did growing up and it was a lot that really really sidetracked me when you get to l.a. and to be in l.a. and to be in an environment that is so harsh ads on top of that so you know i just was in this probably just depression for ten or fifteen years which a long time and it was uh... getting close to my fortieth birthday and i was tired of living the way i was living and i didn't like who i was i didn't like who i was with i didn't like what i was doing i didn't like anything about who i was and what was happening in my life and so i decided that i had to start over and essentially got rid of my friends got rid of pretty much everybody i know i don't think there's anybody there's nobody here that i know there's nobody in this room or probably not anybody that i know now that i knew three years ago uh... i don't think i have people that are some musicians that i work with and uh... you know i decided i'm going to go back to grad school i need to get my my degree i'm going to try and pursue music if i can or i'm gonna quit music and uh... i'm gonna quit voiceover and i'm done i in two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen i did a thousand auditions and didn't look a job and i just had this ongoing list of jobs and jobs and jobs and jobs but i didn't for that i had just failed at and i was one of those people that looked at everything i had done looked at everything with every single thing as a failure and a failure and a failure and a failure looking at a thousand failures is a tough place to be so what changed? what'd you do? uh... the biggest thing i did was first of all i decided that wasn't how i wanted to live anymore and so i said i have to do something and so it was just kind of that mindset of either either i'm going to quit everything or i'm gonna try one last time and i had uh... i had tickets for voice twenty-fourteen on uh... suggestion mark kashman suggested that i go to that so i bought tickets i had spent a week out on the motorcycle trip up and down the the west coast while i was studying uh... and doing a paper for grad school so i would ride for a for part of the day and sit in the campground and and work on on a paper and i came back and i was twenty minutes away, i was twenty minutes away from quitting voiceover and had i rolled over that morning and gone back to sleep i wouldn't be here and instead i got up the next morning and i like well i spent a lot of money on tickets i'd better at least drive down to anaheim and see what's happening so ten days on the motorcycle got on the motorcycle one more time, drove to anaheim with literally nothing but like a jean shirt and jeans and i think probably what i've been wearing for three days and i went to voice twenty-fourteen and i saw the biggest thing i saw was that i wasn't the only one struggling the way that i was struggling and i wasn't the only one who was dealing with the issues that i was dealing with and i wasn't the only one who who felt down about the whole thing who felt like you know overwhelmed and and lost and seeing people, other people who were in that same boat helped a lot and i just decided that i was gonna give it one more try and you know, if i leave out a letter it's not coming back, it's not like i'm gonna leave you know, and maybe i'll come back when i'm fifty or something, you're not gonna do that, you're not gonna go back yeah, don't do so some of us do for me, that wasn't gonna happen and if i left, i was gonna go get a job at a college somewhere, be a professor, teach and that's what my life was gonna be yeah and you know, i felt okay about it but it was like, well you know what, i made the effort and i failed and that's finally i tried right and i say failed a lot because that's maybe if i didn't fail, i felt like i was failing and that's a tough thing to be in yeah, i think you know, i was at a great seminar this week and we learned something, as actors you're not gonna get the job you know, going to an audition, you're not gonna get the job, you know, there's ten thousand other people out there but at least you get to be an actor you know, for three minutes anyway, and that's a great piece of advice but what specifically did you do to get your voiceover career back on track? what i opened, i opened up my studio, opened up my house and i started inviting people over who were kind of doing the same thing that i was doing which was kind of in this overwhelmed state of not knowing what to do and you know, you could pick up voiceover resource guide or you can go to classes, but to go through the resource guide and see all these names i don't know who, you know, i don't know who is who and who should i be working with and who is right for me and who's not right for me and not having the money to go and take every single class i would love to have done that, but just couldn't do it, it wasn't gonna happen right, at that point and so, you had a studio built already? there's a studio in the back of my house, it was actually built, Universal Records, Canada paid to build the space out for some artists who were living back there and they stopped paying, so they got kicked out, i took over the space and this is about seven or eight years ago a little bit longer and slowly built it up into a place it was just my place to have my friends over and work and play music and do a lot of that stuff, took a long time before i actually got into voiceover over there yeah, so once you made this decision to really start studying and really start doing it again and rebuild your studio what do you think was the key that got you started getting you rolling in the right direction? networking, meeting people and you know, meeting people and going to the workouts and going to the classes and learning about the industry and learning especially for me coming from starting in the 90s and coming now into this in 2014, 2015 a lot's changed and a lot's changed the point where i would go to i would go to people to say, well, nobody wants your voice anymore so it doesn't even matter how good you are and so, what kind of encouragement is that? so it's a matter, it took me a long time just to to get my confidence back, to get my courage back, to go out and do these things and just to decide that this is what i was going to focus on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and you started doing workshops at the studio? started doing at the studio, i would invite people over it was the first workout group actually going on four years this week or next week i think that we started and the first month was just me and i was like, great workout, yeah, thanks, we got a great workout tonight, it was awesome and then one person would show up and then a couple people would show up and then people would hear about it i would, i started, i created a whole new facebook profile and basically started from scratch i started with people who, there's nobody on my on my list today except some some family and some older friends that i even knew three and a half years ago i didn't i didn't know anybody in this room three and a half years ago and i started, i just started over and i did that a lot through facebook, a lot through connecting with people, a lot of people who were looking for workout groups i'd invite people over and just kind of spreading the word and opening up my place to let people come in and do what i was doing and just try and get on them i can see if you even like to do voiceover yeah, now you also started with our friend Jay Preston voiceover collected what is the voiceover, i mean when i came it was like i gotta join the voiceover collective so i, well, i actually joined the voiceover collective Jay started it, okay, Jay started it and i only met Jay, i want to say three and a half years ago three years ago and we met at the VODO show at a fight club night and it was one of those things that we met in april and by october of that year we had partnered up to do the gardener collective workout groups and so we kind of have parallel yeah i definitely am heavily involved in that group he has a final say on what actually happens in there but it goes hand in hand with what i do and it goes parallel with my group, the gardener street workout group that i have that i do two days a week and he started that for kind of the same reason it was like, how do i keep track of people how do i like people i've met, i'm like i don't know you and for him he's wanted to drink wine so it gets a good amount of wine yeah, what helps is great when i first got here we only had lunch together at the fat dog which is where everybody goes i believe i was there, yeah it's like, hey, well, me for lunch and then about 40 other people showed up it was that kind of thing yeah, he built a great community he's built the foundation of a great community and i think a lot of people have come together to expand on that and really make it a self-sustaining entity and to allow me to come in and partner with him and to build on that group and to create this community that exists pretty much i don't know anywhere else exists what this does in this size and is a supportive yeah, well there's more voice actors per capita there is just about everywhere else so that's an important point to remember but it's great to have that community physically and physical proximity which is a great thing if you're just joining us you missed all sorts of great stuff but our guest is the one and only Tim Friedlander who is talking to us about his career we're gonna talk about some other cool stuff if you've got a question for Tim you can throw it in our chat room and the one and only Jack Daniel will relay that question to us and we will inquire to Tim as to whether he wants to answer it or not but anyway let's talk a little bit about the studio because it just went over through a major overhaul and we have we have some video to take a look at all yeah, i mean but in a very short span of time six days yeah, so what was the impetus to make this happen and happen so fast the... what i've made the transition from music into voiceover it becomes much different on what kind of space you need right and you know you can get away with a lot less sound proofing and a lot less sound reinforcement if you're doing music you've got drums up there you know doesn't matter how much sound's coming in more concern was keeping sound from going out right and as the studio has grown it's just become more and more important that i'm able to do sessions any time of the day not just when the long guys aren't out front or you know when the garbage truck's coming because we did have to you know for a while we had we did have to stop and do that when it before it was at before i really built it into a usable studio you know a few years ago and made it usable then and then make it even more usable and more soundproof now well this this is what it used to look like right yeah you can see that uh you know it was always fun going in there it's like this is very rustic yeah a lot of it was was made put together out of necessity it wasn't there was no plan to build a studio there was no plan to to do any of this there wasn't there was no plan to do anything i just kind of have followed what's been happening and just paying attention to what's needed and i guess you know like like um see the sequel said like you get caught up in the tide like things just started kind of rolling and so i just i went with it and started providing a place that people would come to and more people should up the more i would need to put into it the more i would discover that i had to you know like put sound baffles and put up you know goba was made out of doors in the back because that's what i had downstairs at the time when i needed them right and and if it works use it and it worked yeah exactly it worked great and then um it became you know substantially busier and we had a client that booked out six weeks from february through the middle of march and and that that and that was really kind of the reason that we pulled the trigger when we did and that was because it had to be done in order for us to be able to service the client the way they needed and provide the services they needed yeah let's take a look and see what it looked like to actually happen in fast motion here yeah so tell us what's going on here so we tore it we started by basically adding taking all of the existing soundproofing that was in the room and we had there's two walls and the two actually three windows in there so we had to kind of expose the windows to fill those in with the rock stool and um a lot of people here actually john worship who was here was there karson is the back was there ty came by for a while denny was there and we started by getting rid of the doors i had these 24 inch doors and there's the door frame blocking the camera right there um but we went with these 36 inch uh double glass doors and on the back you can see um going on the on the right hand side will be this floating wall we built we built two walls in the exterior exterior coming in um filled them with rock stool and then did the um x type sheet rock over the top of that unfortunately i think there's a i think there's anything uh you know not too much time of me standing around staring at the wall here but there's some of that so we've got you can see it kind of what pretty quickly so then we have the two the two exterior walls are up and um next we moved on the sheet rocking we we had it set up so that we were able to do kind of in um as we went around the room somebody would we put a sheet rock while somebody came in and taped and painted so that we were basically running it's me on my phone apparently for hours um so as we went around the room we're coming behind us and taping and painting and so that we could get finished um in in a short period of time we did this entire build and uh started at noon on a friday and at four a.m on wednesday the following week we had our first test session and at 10 a.m on thursday morning the following week i had our first full session in there so um you see it's being taped and painted right now some more sheet rock coming in with sheet rock and green glued you can see the green glue go up right there fun stuff yeah this is me that was me on my laptop trying to like decipher something i don't remember we were angles we're causing us problems that day um because the room obviously is not square so you get into the ceiling um up here we have you can see the resilient channels and isoclips on the right hand side um it's more of those going in and then the sheet rock goes up over that and uh those are tests to watch is on the right hand side of what color we're we're gonna paint the room um they're going with kind of like a slate gray kind of um it does so um this is basically the end of the sheet rock as we're coming up unfortunately we lost the camera for the last 36 hours or so so it goes all of a sudden it's down people are recording so we have a couple sessions so you can see the all the walls are up and now we're trying to get into the ceiling we had this weird angle on the ceiling that we just couldn't get to work i think we went through i think we cut that angle seven or eight times and we just couldn't get it went through a little bit of sheet rocking yeah i went a little bit of sheet rock and then you know of course we're building on to an existing structure that was built before i got there so it definitely wasn't straight there were some issues with you know things being plumb and things being um the way that they should be an overflow staff you know um a good builder at the top of one point we have like a piece of sheet rock two sheet rock should be flush um that are almost an inch apart because that's just the way the wall the wall laid um so you can see the painting and the sanding this part is freaking me out look at the dust in that room yeah we had masks for everybody they just you know they were just using them and now we're done so now here it is um the first iteration of the room which was um we wanted to go really sparse with the sound panels to try and make the room a little more live and this is when um when you came over dan and checked it out and you got a node yeah so we went and uh we we added in more sound panels from there and then we started with the um this production of this this game that we were working on and ended up building into into it more um you came over and and looked at it once and then george came over and um did did some of the tests on it and helped helped us kind of get it really dialed in in a really short period of time because we had you know um we had some issues that we had to get taken care of by the end of that day yeah so you know it was it was you know definitely emergency time to get things get things up and running um you know when you do it that sort of time you there's no you know there's not really any time you gotta throw it together and you go and record and there's not a huge amount of time to to really test you know and get it done um you know i couldn't have done it without everybody you can tell that you know that video that was there carson beck was there we had ty nielson was there and how many cases of beer there were there were many cases there were i think there's no beer left over from that from that build you know but and lots of people um mortis mcpherson uh lindsey russo was there bethny monroe a lot of people came and spent hours upon hours there and i'm sure i'm forgetting somebody so i apologize if i forgot anybody peter and heck you came in scott land scott land right was there it actually almost every single day he was there i think some points a little more than i was yeah um which you know but you know again this goes back to kind of the whole community like i mean i couldn't have done that on my own well carcy and carson mentioned carson already i mentioned him twice because then they took over the studio while i was on tour so we built it and i left and i said here you go have fun um let me go to the community i couldn't have done it on my own i couldn't have done that build you know i couldn't i couldn't afford to hire somebody to do that build especially not in six days no one's gonna do it in six days um you know and everybody everybody stepped up all i did was ask and tons of people showed up and it was amazing you know wow that community happened it was probably a lot of fun too it was fun going in there and saying you know you really need to put a frame on this door yeah the first four days it was fun day five in the last half of you know the other half of there was uh okay up until that point where you know no tempers flared it was fun so i think it's important for people to understand that for what you do which is you you're also a musician we will talk about a little bit uh and and you know and you're in west la so or west hollywood so there's business there and there's there's business to be had building a studio like that is very expensive to do like unless you have lots of help right and apparently lots of sheet rock yeah um um heavy sheet rock yeah is that something that somebody else should do or wait until they need to do it i wouldn't recommend anybody would um i mean it's a very you know well it's if it needs to be done that you do it i mean that's kind of i guess that was kind of it's kind of my take it was there was you know there was a need that needed to be filled and i and i and i filled it and it just kind of grew and so it wasn't anything again like i didn't really plan on any of that it became it's kind of grown and i just i followed along and just done what needed to be done to make it keep growing and to help it and to provide a place that people can come and and feel comfortable and safe and have fun and you know get the best performances again yeah and that's what's important the voiceover business i mean it's a great example of our community and uh you know and you're a big part of it so we really appreciate that if you're just joining us tim freedlanders are a guest in about 30 other people uh here at the voiceover body shop if you got a question for tim uh again throw it in the chat room and uh we'll be asking him that and i think you're gonna play for us a little bit too if we have a little time yeah now you are a musician yes and you've got a you've got a band the urban renewal project tell us about that um originally i got my degree in clarinet performance originally and that's something a lot of people know you know it's um and so to kind of balance out playing clarinet i took a guitar when i was younger because i needed that balance um and so i've really played guitar since in the last probably eight or ten years since i've been in LA and i joined forces uh this guy rwe knock who runs the urban renewal project which is a 15 piece big band hip hop orchestra funk band the rapper and the singer and a full horn section um and you know what's been very interesting is that kind of it's paralleled the the band has grown the same at the same pace in the same time as my voiceover career so you know we we just got back we were in Indonesia for the jazz test tell me so you got invited to the job yeah we actually got invited last year but couldn't we had a conflicting tour already scheduled so we were able to go back this year and i've you know i've never been on the country so i had to get you know i had to get at get my my passport everything part of you know part of the the way that i operated things is that i was so convinced that music was going to take me where i wanted to go that i didn't travel on my own um and it didn't so i didn't travel up until you know so now you know in you know in at 43 i left the country for the first time i felt i had to travel someplace where i wanted you know that i'd never been in the last year every place you've gone on tour has been outside of phoenix has been had been stopped that i've never been to have been cities i've never been to wow so you know to have the opportunity to go and see the country and see the world and play music um you know is amazing and and i couldn't have done it without all the people in this community who made you know like i said karson karson beck who i just met a little over a year ago we met in january of last year um i you know i turned over the studio to him in june or july of last year to have him run the studio um but we're both from washington so you know it's just kind of it's in the blood um but you know i mean i couldn't have left i couldn't have left with this massive game project we were working on that was six weeks long eight hours set in today and i couldn't have left town and gone on tour if there wasn't somebody that i trusted who i could who i knew could do the job as well as i 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what we were able to do here and extend it out to the rest of the the world actually um and so we kind of picked up the slack we knew we couldn't compete in any of the the voice of recasting area but we definitely compete when it comes to voice over education and so we put together vo weekly workout to try to pick up the slack um from a couple of the sites that shut down in the last few months and um it's been great it's a learning curve it's a it's a lot of work and um it's a lot of fun and um it's great that we're able to give back to the whole world in that sense which sounds which sounds cheesy but it's uh we have people all the country yeah all the world who are because now you're doing it online it's not just the you know the winds tonight hanging out at the studio yeah winds at the studio Thursday the studio sunday at the studio studio and actually um i started a group in philadelphia um last fall so we have the gardener street philly group um with jamey muffett um yeah gardener street philly and um you know that's um that's been great to be able to kind of you know help them along as they're starting that workout group um it's been cool to see that's great all right uh joy baker asks what would you say to someone who has never been in a workout group but wants to start what any guidance for how it should work having been in a few myself and starting a few myself they're set definitely essential aren't they the i mean i think any you know continuing education lifelong education is important but that comes from you know being an artist we never stop like you know you're always taking lessons you're always studying if you're reacting you'll go you know i mean big actors go into a movie then they'll come off for a year and go study and get better um so i'm a huge advocate of continuing to do that with the right people and you need to find somebody who you connect with and who you trust and i think that's especially in voiceover it's important to find someone that you trust um and that believes in you and you believe in them to help you help you do this um you know as far as starting them you know it was i was lucky excited space and if you don't have a space it becomes harder to do um though there isn't a group that started in new york called voice actors of new york and hopefully got that right um and i just learned about them yesterday and they had a meet-up group last night they got 500 people in their group they had a meet-up last night they had 50 show up um but again they have a place that they're able to go and do this at um and as far as starting one you know when when jamie started his he and i had had an hour conversation about what i'd learned over the years of starting the groups and the biggest thing is you need to know your community and know what they need and this community needs something different than what the group in philly needs and if you're gonna start something it's just you know find people who want to do it and if it's just you for six months just do it for six months and keep doing it and keep doing it and doing it there's people out there even if it's you and one of the person or two people i think there's a community of voice actors out there in almost every city who would love to be part of a workout group it doesn't even have to be big if you have a living room and you need to space the size here you can get four five people in here to do this doesn't even have to be on a mic there's needs to be around people who can hear you who can give you feedback and again people that you trust and that you know are gonna be honest with you whether that's good or bad yeah George you got the next question ten four um from Tremaine Kendrick Mosley hey what's that one how did the audition contest at that's voice over help in any way to propel or further your career you know that's a that's a tough question to to answer i think for myself the biggest thing it did was give me confidence and it gave me the confidence to know that i wasn't terrible what i was doing um which i may seem like and you know i maybe i you know you don't need to win a contest to prove that i don't suck but apparently that's that's how um that's how i roll um but you know we think that every morning like what are we doing this war it's crazy it goes back to like the kind of networking thing it just it it got my name out there and not only did did that make me well known but i met a bunch of people there i met a ton of people at that event that i still talked to them friends with that have become colleagues that i've been able to work with they're all great people and so it was you know yeah it's a great boost of confidence for me but it was also a great opportunity to meet people and to network and to to just talk to the people in the community who i could help and you could help me yeah there's no there's there's no community like the voiceover community i don't think we won't find this with photographers or web developers you know maybe you know graphic artists they're not the same it's what what is it about the the voiceover community that just makes us all such great friends yeah i i don't know i wish i knew uh our producer kathryn kurden actually has an actual question for you talk to us uh in reference to toy makers and how fun was it working with the history champ um and those are two two great things um you know those both are just those are just one of those things that you just when the opportunity arises you just got to be ready for it and toy makers i think was i i got that show um it's on velocity channel we're going into our third season and i've been narrating it for the um for the whole run and i was at a workout group i was at the dojo and a producer heard me and she said hey you know you have a great voice i had this uh the show coming down you know coming down the pike and i'd love to have you be the narrator and i was like okay you know like sure here i want to get you out once you bring in you go okay i'll believe it when i see it and a year later i got a phone call and she said hey the show's going forward and uh we got john and you're gonna be our narrator and we start recording in about a month or two are you ready and and i was ready and jumped on it and um now we're going into season three is the number one and the number one show on on the velocity channel um in addition to that i picked up i've done um kind of moving into the car stuff i've been the done all the motor trying to demand spots for the last year as well which has been kind of in that same realm um history channel i did a series called evil genius on history channel and that was that's that is a great example of why you answer your phone on a friday night at eight thirty when you're having dinner um i got a i just got a random phone call from somebody asking me to do a sizzle reel and i was like sure and i said wouldn't you need it and they said well now and so i left dinner went home and worked with them for the next four or five hours to about one o'clock in the morning going back and forth and over the next couple months i did a few more sizzle reels and i got a call one day and they said hey that sizzle reel that you did is going to go to production and since you did the sizzle reel they loved your voice and your voice is going to go with the show and so that that's like hitting the green from 200 yards you know and it's like keep you keep you coming next week yeah but you know if i hadn't if if i had not been confident that i could do it it would have been a whole different story um and had i not been where it was if it had been a couple years earlier i wouldn't have been able to go in and do that show i wouldn't have been able to go through three hour sessions at a time and maintain an eight episode eight episode show yeah i didn't have the skill i didn't have the skill your classic what favors the prepared scenario yes yeah exactly you got the next question since i interrupted so rudely it was your turn right marie's ace got this tim what and who have been your biggest influences and voice over man that is a tough question i somebody asked another question of music as well and it's a tough thing to answer because i think you know if if you really pay attention to everybody's an influence and everybody that you interact with can be the influence i know it's kind of a cop out but um i don't think there's really anybody in particular there have been a lot of people have supported me along the way that that have even been invaluable to to me getting the opportunities that i've had um but i'm i'm the rare person i don't really know much about other voice talent when i came to this i didn't know who people were i didn't know who the promo people were i didn't know who the narrators were i don't didn't know who the animation people were the video game people were so i just kind of came into this and everybody at that point was just kind of all on even ground i didn't know who anybody was um i think you know right now at least as i'm always most influenced when it comes from the educational standpoint and i love to see people succeed and get better and that to me is it is i guess inspires me and influences me to get better at what i do um you know and i'm more i'm i get more excited about my friends having success than i do um you know and i'll tell a quick little story about my friend michelle um who is not here but you know she'd been one of my workout group for a couple years and she'd been working really hard and she came in to read in the booth and it was just everything she'd been working on for two years just kind of gelled and i actually had cried i actually was sitting in the room and i was like so i'm so proud of you like you know i i shed a tear and because it was just she and you could see that was a change in her ability and a change in her confidence and you know that influenced me to keep doing what we do and to you know to keep doing this and i always say i i always say we because it's not just me i happen to be kind of a facilitator but i couldn't do it without everybody and i don't think any of us can do it alone i tried for a long long time didn't work yeah that's definitely true uh divox asks because divox divox asks every week can you share some interesting or unusual workout exercises you've discovered man um i don't know i'm gonna i'm gonna tell that like actually i think everybody in the room here has been my it's been to the workout group i'm gonna turn it over to them anybody has anything you guys have done that was particularly interesting or weird or different i mean i know we did we did we did one where we had just we had to narrate to a video that we had no idea what it was it was it was we just put a video on and i made everybody improvise over it um see what came up with um that's an old one that came that's from all over the place um i don't know anything read reading to music is always a great thing to do i mean you know it's i don't know there's any anything in particular it's just all you just it's we just try different things i don't know what else that's a great question i don't know what you do so well as you bring up you could deliver yeah that's i mean that's that's the best thing you can do i mean that's the best you know i'm not a huge i'm not the type of person that has a bunch of drills and warm-ups and things that i do because i don't do that we don't do that when we talk normally right so obviously i'm gonna go into like you know a three hour section i want to prepare myself physically but i just want to go in and talk the way i talk and sound the way i sound and for me that doesn't require a lot of warm-up to do um tongue twisters and stuff like that um but that's just you know again that's just me i mean it's all just you know i don't ever don't don't follow my path like this is just the way i do things for myself you know i think the biggest thing is is that Tim builds a relationship with everybody who goes in there he begins to work with you as a person and that's how he makes you better yeah yeah absolutely i i will attest to that i can definitely see that Tim tippets hey not only Tim tippets Tim too we actually you know that we met because somebody tagged me on facebook wow and they thanked me for something i didn't do and i said uh you're welcome and so let me ask this the way tim would ask it yeah let's see how did your music experience help you with in voiceover well it's i think the biggest thing it's done is it's taught me to listen and i think that that's important in anything that you're doing listen but don't listen to yourself that makes sense right you don't want to you don't want to be listening to yourself i think also it helped me with um performance performance anxiety i think going back to to that voiceover i was used to being on stage in front of a bunch of people so as a voice talent that whole nervousness i thought i wasn't nervous but that experience i'd had before um and so i had that it wasn't my first time being in front of a crowd so my performance didn't get affected by that um much definitely got affected all right george uh this one's from jen henry first thanks for the vio weekly workout you're welcome um you guys bringing it the question was there a particular gig event or single opportunity that you look at is the turning point this something you may have spoken about earlier um the thing that dropped you into the gear that tracked you to work today where you are today i mean you know i go back to voice 2014 in that it had i not gone i would not be here i wouldn't be doing voiceover i wouldn't be sitting here i wouldn't know anybody in this room right now um so for that um that was that was transformative and then you know the next little steps along the way um that's voiceover was definitely the next opportunity a next event that that kicked things up getting toy makers kicked things up having people show up to the studio kicked things up um so i don't know that there was a single single opportunity uh more than it was just taking advantage of all the opportunities that presented themselves along the way as um as mike progressed um well yeah vanessa richerson she thinks that uh uh you're a legend in the making vanessa i miss you vanessa i haven't seen you in a while hope all's well because how do you stay organized with everything you have going on man a lot of stuff between the gigs engineering garden street um ocd um you know um i i am constantly connected to my phone and my computer and the facebook and i don't have a life outside of that otherwise um you know but i i really i did um last saturday was my first day off since the day we started to build the middle of january between you know go back i was in grad school i was teaching full time i was rehearsing i was running the record so i was trying to build my career um i compartmentalized i don't i don't really know um i i i don't i would say i drink a lot but i don't drink um you know i mean part of it is um i just i keep track of my calendar i know i a lot of it is it's improvised a lot of it's improvised i did um it's kind of the way i teach is that i hate lesson plans i hate planning anything i'll plan out my sessions um i have tie on the calendar for tomorrow morning the matter of fact um but i have my calendar for that otherwise i just improvise and that's the best i mean that's the best thing i can say and you know and and not a joke i don't have a life i mean i don't have i don't have a family i have my dog i was gonna say being young and single doesn't hurt does it sometimes um but um no i mean it's it's i made i made a decision to to do this 100 music and voice over grad school grad school's done so now i can put all the rest of my time into music and voice over and that's what i do 24 hours a day seven days a week this is all i think about this is all i do and i love it and you do sleep occasionally i i sleep on occasion yeah yeah as long as the dog's not snoring i'm totally fine and keep me awake um yeah and show's an important part of your life too she is an important part but it's an important part of everybody's life and people show up to just to come hang out with the dog which is fine with me um but it's question man yes we'll slip this one in yeah from john c uh he says any advice on the number of genres to focus on in the beginning and then add on over time in general or how to tell is is it time to add more than say just a commercial genre that you're focusing on i mean that is man when like part of that is it goes back to what i mean kind of what i said earlier is that you need people you trust right and that you know i i worked i worked with Dave wall so you had a guest here i worked with him after i won that's voice over i went and worked with him almost every week for an entire year and so between the two of us we knew when it was time for me to do my demo um once i had broken through all the things that i needed to get the psychology of voice over he's a great coach i work with him too yeah he's a great coach um you know but as far as like you know the commercial is where your bread and butter is going to be and that's especially if you're going to look for an agent that's what they're going to want you to have everything beyond that is um is your choices as you want to do it i mean if you want to get into video games focus on your video game stuff if you want to get an animation focus on your animation i think it's a hard thing to know when you're when you're ready for that because you don't same thing with playing an instrument like you know i can practice all i want and i can keep taking i don't hear myself making the same mistakes you need somebody to help you with that or need somebody to show you show you yes you're doing great with this now it's time to move on um and so i'm you know again it may sound like a cop out but it's you know that's something that you you and people you trust need to decide for yourselves and i think there is there's sometimes can be a rush to try and get a demo to get things done so that you can get into the into the industry or get into the business start working um you know if you have to drive and you want to do it by all means go and do it but don't don't do it until you're ready don't do it until you're ready and when you're ready i mean that's that's a hard thing to to answer you know i i thought i was ready when i came to la in 2002 and you know sure i get a demo done and then i don't do voiceover for two years and agent calls you in and you do a read and they were like what the heck was that you know i the same person as the demo it's like they're like get out of here what are you doing so i thought i was ready i wasn't ready and it took me another 12 or 13 years before i was ready um but again it goes back to any people you trust and you need you need you know a group if you don't have a group put together a group i tell everybody to put together a group it's got to be at least somebody somebody else in your town who's doing what you're doing you like to do voiceover if it can be you know in person is so great if you want to do it over skype and do it over skype but you know the opportunity just to work with people because it's all our time in our booth locked away right hiding from the world if you're not careful you know it's like living this blockhouse here you know get a little lonely at times can we get tim to play us out yeah we play you out yeah well well while we tell everybody about the george is going to be at your studio on thursday we'll be at my tell us about it george this thursday right yes you better be in there i'm gonna be there to talk about my presentation on just creating the practical personal studio that's the stuff that you guys hear us talk about on the show a lot that focused into you know a really concise presentation and of course opening up for a lot of q and a which i hopefully will get so yeah well and thursday driving back from vegas just to make sure i get there for that awesome it's gonna be yeah it's gonna be great and you know next time we'll send you are actually kind of expanding the sound box la footprint with um jack and karson we're gonna add some satellite studios so that we'll have sound box german oaks and sound box studio city cool and you're doing demos too some demos yeah um there's plenty of commercial people out there we have kind of some areas of expertise that we work on more boutique type of yeah exactly um and so we're gonna have karson and i are doing that um again he and i met a year ago and i already turned over to my speaking to my studio yeah so what are you gonna play for us here uh this is a song called castile um i spent a lot of time about six seven years ago we're doing a lot of like open tuning um slide guitar work and so this is a song that i wrote out of um in that time and we'll tune first since it's been there how's that sorry tim sorry tim tippets no he's cringing up around the other so that that part's gonna go on loop next time i do my my uh my reel for my music we'll put that part on there all right there we go tim freedland that was fantastic thank you that was great to hear it's good to hear music in the studio that's what it was built for anyway all right george and i'll be right back to uh wrap things up right after this that's a lot that was great your dynamic voiceover career requires extra resources to keep moving ahead now there's one place where you can explore everything the voiceover industry has to offer that place is voiceover extra dot com whether you're just exploring a voiceover career or a seasoned veteran ready to reach that next professional level stay in touch with market trends coaching products and services while avoiding scams and other pitfalls voiceover extra has hundreds of articles free 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two tech questions i wanted to jump to real quickly before you should be because they tie into what we were talking about earlier um john's john's in the studio right john we're out here yep yeah um he said this one i can definitely answer so should we run longer mic cables and not longer usb cables yes yes i think that was the that was what we came up with there in general yes definitely my cables handle long runs much much better than usb does um and then debock said if cables have to be parallel how far apart do they need to be is there a formula there probably is man i you'd have to google that honestly i don't know i don't know how far apart far apart enough is you can probably do some experiments on your own and actually put a mic cable uh next to a power cord and move them until the sound the noise goes away i don't know what it is honestly but i would say at least put away from each other yes yeah anyway try try it works that's the best way to try that anyways scott bricks gonna be with us uh next week on april 23rd we were wondering who this mystery guest was now it's not a mystery uh somebody i've always wanted to meet avio agent soon to be book author ilko drudovsky so drudovsky drudovsky i will get that right in two weeks uh even an agent for a long time he's been around it he certainly has uh april 30 christin lennox and her daughter will be here which will be really interesting uh may 7th keith farley keith farley uh and and may 21st uh well long time away uh harry gun promos at cw he did my promo demo yeah i love it yeah so that's gonna be a lot of great stuff who are our donors of the week mr with him oh we've got donations from andrew kaufman eric argoni uh connelly voice over which is john connelly uh going down the list continuing don riffith click and look martha conne by that and a few more here that are coming from last week shanna pennington baird and ant land productions so pretty much all of those are regular donors those names those are all names i had said on this show before except i think john connelly might be a new donor but we really really appreciate the support it's very very helpful it's allow us to do some major studio upgrades uh tonight this show is being produced on a completely new system and yes those watching it live and possibly on youtube are going to experience a few issues um we know we do know there's some audio issues that we have to sort out and we apologize but it's been a huge upgrade we had to make and um it should allow for us to produce a tighter cleaner looking show and eventually up the ante in terms of our production values so um thank you again for the donations we're receiving that's something that's helped us allow to immensely wouldn't be able to do it without you guys uh once again you need help with your home studio you can go to george the tech dot com or home voiceover studio dot com figure it out one way or another uh you've got a podcast uh a geeky podcast you're doing and 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