 Gani Ghulah, it's a pleasure to welcome you here to WPC TV. You are the founder and the president of Datavis and you're going to take part in a session on disruption and young leaders. How has the digital world disrupted our world and what are the problems for young leaders and for populism? All right, so first, new technologies and digital worlds and disrupting the world. So I'm not sure we have to make the proof that it's going to make big changes, but if I focus on my particular field, which is data, so data can change many things. It can change things for big companies, improve productivity, it can change things for public organization with open data, different relations with citizens and it can change things for everyone. But will we be drowned in data? We have exabytes already in our data. Yes, exactly. And that's why companies like mine are working to improve relations between humans and data. What we do is to build a new kind of language to make people able to understand data thanks to data visualization, interface, interactivity and we try to invent new kind of interface to make people able to connect with the data, understand data, work with data. And does this get to the part of artificial intelligence as well or not? Artificial intelligence is one way to use data to make interesting things. It can be a way to connect people to data, but it also can be a way to make black box that people don't understand how it works. So in this way, it also can be dangerous because you lose the sense of what's in the data. I don't sound agist, but at this conference you must be one of the youngest. Is that when people talk about digital divide, they normally mean between countries, societies that have digital access and those that don't. But is there actually a digital divide between people my age and people your age? Maybe. I think the main division is what you are doing. We are working in the digital field every day and I also know lots of people of your age working in this field every day. So don't, not sure it's... You must think that I'm younger than I look, than I am. Kaling Gula, thank you very much for coming to WPC TV and good luck with data views. Thank you. Thank you.