 I've, we've asked two people to share their views today about what they heard. Rosalind Metz, who is the associate dean for library technology and digital strategies at Emory, and Francina Turner, who some of you may remember a clear fellow. And a postdoc at the Maryland Institute of Technology in the humanities at myth, which has been a frequent contributor to CNI programs. And I think for one of any better scheme will just go in simple alphabetical order and invite Rosalind to share her thoughts first. Please understand that we haven't asked these folks to do the impossible and give you a real time summary of the entire meeting in five minutes. We've asked them to just call out at one or two things, themes, connections that they found to be interesting or helpful. So, over to you Rosalind. Thank you, Cliff. So, listening to Heidi this morning or this late afternoon I guess. I was struck by how in the US the lack of government coordination around higher education has made it difficult for academic institutions to really advance the state of higher education. In some ways, Joan Caloric's presentation emphasize this simply because it was about innovation that was needed in order to comply with funding agencies and government regulations in Europe. I have to wonder if higher education in the US was able to identify a single coordinating body similar to just. Would we be able to pull together enough funding to solve some of the major issues that plague libraries, technology and higher education in the US and subsequently the world. Moving into Ken's talk I saw the truly negative and scary implications of this lack of regulation and coordination within the US and it's within the US in its absence companies are filling the void and acting in their own self interest. And unfortunately because of the nature of our economy. This doesn't just impact the US. Ultimately I have come to believe the reason there is a lack of regulation and coordination for technology and society is because leaders both government education etc fill in the blank are not technologists and don't always understand what needs to be regulated. On the flip side, many in the UK have indicated they are jealous of the US system. And as Sarah sure you said to me during the back channel conversation today, it's ability to let 1000 flowers bloom. You can see these flowers blooming in the remaining talks that we saw Joseph glass Daniel pity Elizabeth Macaulay Christopher Gilman Danny cook Regina gong, Lisa Martin and Allegra Swift gave. These projects really are magnificent. However, the question I think we need to ask ourselves is where should we be focusing our time and energy. Should it be on letting 1000 technology flowers bloom, or should we be trying to tackle the bigger technology issues facing society by ensuring our leaders have a better understanding of technology and its impact. I'm sort of sad that we won't get to hear the next speaker, because I was curious how that might flow into the thoughts that I sort of pulled together as I was listening to everyone. Thank you so much for those reflections and I'm sorry you had to go on before our final speaker to but sometimes stuff happens. I cannot resist saying that, you know, it's some of these just CNI meetings that we do periodically you hear from the Americans. Oh, if we only could do the kinds of things that just does for the UK institutions. We'll also hear from the, the UK participants. Gosh, if only we had the flexibility that those Americans did for individual initiative to take hold so. The grass is always greener exactly. Exactly. Thank you so much for those reflections and Francina, let me turn to you. So, I was really interested to hear Ken's presentation because I think I want to answers right as a newly minted PhD who's new to all of this I wanted. And the person who's, you know, a huge user of all things internet right. But it did drive home that there are going to continue to be more questions and answers when it comes to issues of privacy. I was really interested in the snack cooperative, the presentation Daniel and Joseph gave, just as an oral historian, and how access to records digitally, not just during the pandemic but also prior to the pandemic really helped me in my research. So, I'm really impressed with the network, the networking feature of it is seeing the connections. In fact, there's someone I'm researching who I didn't think she'd be there but I knew her adopted uncle would be and he was so it was really interested to see those connections, and then that there was also careful attention played paid to description and just different ethical implications. I think it was important for me to hear that kind of sussed out. And of course, as I teach an online African American history course. So the, the talk from Chris defer and Elizabeth about using digital archives in canvas was really important to me. And I know they talked about using digital and physical connections together but I was really thinking about it in terms of maybe having students who will not be able to access the physical collection so that was. This is our really interesting work for me to see happening. And then the open educational resource presentation that Lisa Danny Allegra and Regina gave was important because as a first generation college student. And I, I struggle to find resources for my students that don't cost them anything but I'm in a department, the institution I adjunct for that insist on a particular textbook. And I every so every semester I've taught it I have students who tell me is two three weeks before they can get the book, and they've missed so much of the class so it's been to me for me today really enjoyable to see things that I'm, I'm concerned about but not quite sure how to deal with actually be worked on and sussed out in this way so this has been a really enjoyable afternoon for me. Thank you so much for those reflections, both of you. Those are wonderful.