 How are you doing? Gordo, the techs are here. What do you think of that cool new background? You're a Star Trek guy. Anyway, welcome to another exciting episode of Hibachi Talk. Please pull up a chair, grab yourself a libation, and join us for kind of an interesting, very interesting, unique show. I've got Andrew, the security guy. He's also the co-host of Cyber Underground. Yeah. And you're also the co-host of The Week. Of The Week? Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay, good. Not just this show. All the other shows you've co-hosted. Anyway, we have a great guest. I want to say Clouet because it's how it's supposed to be, but you've Americanized it to Clouette. So, Greg Clouette, he's the solutions engineer for Esri. So, in case you don't know who Esri is, it's the Environmental Systems Research Institute, which still doesn't tell you who they are. But we're going to talk about the science of where, of which many of you do all day, along with your Google Maps, your Yelp, your Uber, your Lyft. We know where you are. All the GIS-related stuff that's going on. And Greg is also the president of the Hawaii Geographic Information Coordinating Council, H-I-G-I-C-C. Now, have we haven't loaded up with enough acronyms to throw you into delirium? I don't know what else we can do. Anyway, there's a great event coming up, but we'll get into what you're doing. We've had some GIS guests on before, which is kind of exciting. But before we get into this, I do a little bit of a cryptocurrency update of the week. So, we've been doing, following a lot of cryptocurrency in Bitcoin and so on. So, I got a little bit here. So, just recently a well-known mainstream financial publication called Bloomberg called Bitcoin an exchange trading fund on steroids. So, pretty kind of interesting. 2011, but I thought, okay, since they said this, but let me go back and do the reality check on this. Since 2011, Bitcoin has been declared dead 129 times. Yeah. So, they say it's on steroids, but 129 times has been said. Newsletters, writers, journalists, academics have called it a Ponzi scheme. I've heard that many a time. Others like the idea of theory, but have doubts. And they think it will get shut down by government and render it worthless. But I remind everybody, it's the blockchain. It's not Bitcoin. It's not Ethereum. It's the blockchain. It's like the technology that you have. The GIS-related technology. You ain't going to shut that down. And you're not going to shut down the blockchain. So, guess what? Then we just go offshore. Like DCCA did with us in our coin basement. One of my favorite stories. Over and over again. But I thought I'd take a look at this. So, in 2009 to 2013, Bitcoin rallied from a fraction of a penny to over $1,100. So, $9 to $13, right? And then it spectacularly crashed 85% to $185. I tell you, this is not for the pay to heart. You're playing down there all the time. But instead of collapsing to pennies, it kind of found its way back to $200. And people started acquiring it and buying it again and buying into it again. So, even though the bubble popped, Bitcoin is still worth billions of dollars. Kind of cool stuff. So, I just want to tie this back and give you something to relate it to and then we'll leave it at that. May 1997, Amazon went public and split equivalent at $1.30. Amazon went public, right? It went up to $113. When the bubble burst in 1990, it went to $5.97. Wow. Wow. Remember, I was there. So, now we're in dot com hatred during that time. But you know, Amazon just continued to creep along. You know, did its thing, kept coming along. And next, you know, here we are sitting out where Amazon is today and I didn't look at it today because I'm just a happy camper where it happens to be. But anyway, so one sure thing is that if Bitcoin is a worthless asset, like Amazon was perceived to be, why are people still buying this darn thing? I have no idea, but just for the record, today it was $2,600 up $50 from last week. That's Bitcoin. Ethereum is $267 down $50 from last week. So, again, not for the fate of art. I'm not telling you to invest in it. But keep watching it. This is the equivalent when the internet was first coming on. So, in a decade, it's a $2,599.75 $99.99 and then three quarters cents. I know. It's crazy. It's crazy. Anyway, that's my cryptocurrency update of the week. Like I said, last week, yesterday was my last time giving free advice on this stuff. I tell you, I'm going to start charging Bitcoin. You can pay me a Bitcoin. Okay, and let's talk about the Hawaii Geographic Information Coordinating Council, ASRI, and Craig. So, Craig, give us a little background on who you are or you went to school and such. Okay, so yeah, Craig Clouette, and I came out to Hawaii to get my master's degree in geography at the University of Hawaii, Minoa. And so that was a great school. Did a lot of work there. Before that, I went to undergrad in geography and geology in St. Diego State, California. Actually, though, I'm originally from Milford, Connecticut. But I find that I'd like something in the warm. You work your way west and kept going. Yeah, no, I'm here now. So, yeah, I've been here for a long time. Now, after I graduated actually at the University of Hawaii, Minoa, I got a job right away pretty much as the GIS manager at Kamehameha Schools. I jumped right into the land management back in the day when it was called Bishop of Stade, in fact. And so I went through all that for many years and then I made the transition over to ASRI in 2005. So I've been there for quite a while. So how long have you been in the industry? This is like some time. Over 20 years. Over 20 years. And geography wasn't geography like when he was going to school or when I was going to school. No, we started off with pencils. We drew maps. Yeah. And actually photography. Yeah, yeah. And colored them. Yeah, right? Yeah, and I had to cut out little, like, color things. And then when the computers came about, they were so primitive. We actually had command line in, like, put the box over and the two inches up and two inches over. Wow. It was so painful. Yeah. And at first I thought it was not going to be great. But then, of course, nowadays, it's computerized. And it's moved on because of a company that you are very familiar with, because you are employed by them. It's ASRI, right? Yes. So ASRI is the Environmental Systems Research Institute. Great name. It's really a GIS company on steroids. Yes, it's the biggest, by far, right now in the world. We started off, you know, with the owner, Jack Najman, and his wife in the garage with $1,000 loan from mom and dad in California. And they built it from scratch. And that was over 40 years ago. And there was some, there's definitely some competition, but over the years, ASRI just keeps putting so much money back into research and development. Right. That we really become the leaders quite naturally. It's because of the vision of the president and owner. They probably help companies still. Still. And so what does it do? What is it? Who's a consumer and who's the student? It doesn't if people ask that, of course, because everybody uses it, but they don't know it. So if you go to any of the medical groups here or anywhere in the world, they want to know who their customers are, where they're going to the doctors, why they're going to this doctor, that doctor even knows closer to home. Of course, the US Census Bureau, when they do the San Diego Census, which is coming up, they totally use us. Even in the background, Google, when you talk about Google, yeah, sure, but the Google Maps have to be built by some sort of software, and that's where they would actually use someone like us to come in and help with some of the backend, or the USGS, Fish and Wildlife, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, probably 911, I got the call center. 911. Yeah, 911. The geolocation of your phone and all that kind of stuff. And then also like the state here, it's one of our biggest customers in the counties. Of course, you know, from parks, they go and clean garbage cans, fix potholes, fix fences, cut grass. You guys start keeping track of that and looking at it over time. We're working with Department of Education. So again, they're putting on solar panels on buildings. They want to know, you know, where they are, what's the condition of the roof. So you can see that now from drones or satellites even. Right. So everybody in the back end is using it. Oh, even for Dewey, you know, where kids go to school, why are they going to this geographic exemption? Are they being pulled away from this school? Because this one's better and so on. It's just all that geographic information and data and so on. I mean, the city and county used to have a web, used to have a mobile app called Honolulu 311. It's not there anymore, but you could go and take a photograph. And we work with you guys. We could take a photograph of trash dump, right? Send it in to customer services department and track. How long it took them to pick it up? Awesome. I mean, I was terrific. This was under the Hanuman administration. We did all this kind of stuff. That app is gone now. I don't know why it's gone, because it was built and I was running. You can report potholes. You can report trash cans. I remember that. Abandoned vehicles, lights out on the street. So the citizens were getting involved. You had the people involved. I mean, the sirens. You could adopt a siren. Yep. Right? And that was all part of the GIS geographical information systems that were built on the Esri platforms. Yeah, or even some of the more fun stuff. We're talking about volunteer geographic information. We call that. But a company, Digital Globe, where this other company, Dom Tom, it works with Nature Conservancy. They've taken air photos like a kawaii, for example, of the forest. Okay. And then they give that out to anybody in the world who wants to look, and then they're looking for Australian tree ferns, those African tulips. So it's crowdsourcing. So now, instead of having one person look at hundreds of thousands of acres, looking for these little tiny plants, anybody in the world can go online and spend, you know, during the lunch hour and look for these things and put dots on the map. And they have always algorithms in the back that do checking and they score you like, they're doing really good. So we'll give you some harder ones. They'll score you bad. They said, well, you know what? Let's get off. But it's happening now. But they're using like geographic information systems in the back end to figure out. And then at the end, TNC now has this data set that, you know, it's in time, point in time, but of where all these things are. And these are invasive species, right? So these are invasive species. So now the public's helping find these invasive species. And then the programs can be put together to go out and eradicate them. Exactly. And they're running with helicopters with paint gun balls with herbicides. And they have the GPS now. They know exactly where it is. So they can fire up their right to it, go down, and there it is. And they can take it out. So we need the bullets to be able to, you know, track their way into the, you know, like the way the military will shine a light on a target, right? All the way. They're using a geographic information system. They have antennas on all the tall buildings. If they hear a shot, right? Yes. Automatically, they're triangulating. They can tell the police officer, oh, we know it's coming from right around over here. They can just immediately, someone's saying, oh, I saw it up there. They're using technology and getting GIS in the background. In Chicago, I went to, saw that in Chicago. I said, how do you know the difference between that and the backfire? I said, oh, yeah, we know. They definitely know. The systems know. Yeah, the computers can do it. So it's really a cool field, right? Yeah, really fun. So, I show analytics. So one of the things though, and this part of this is a good field, is like, if I'm a student, so how can I get into this kind of thing? And so talk a little bit about that, your $1 billion donation to education. So as we, again, really use big on education and we always have been, but we actually jacked in when the president was at the White House with President Obama a couple of years ago, talking about issues and things. And President Obama kind of laid on the table, hey, you know, why don't you put money where your mouth is? And so Jack said, okay, I will. And he gives now, it's called Connect Eat Ed. That's one word. And any school in the United States, private public can have our online software free. Right. They just fill it out. Boom. Any school. And so, and then we also, what we do is we work greatly with women technology over at Maui Economic. They're great powerhouses of getting teachers together. And I'll go to school a couple of times a year, mentor, like a teacher who's teaching students. And they're doing, now it's on the internet and even the smart phones, it's so much easier for the students to go out and do a little turtle count or pick up a flash or they're doing mosquitoes or ants or whatever it is they're looking for. And they can make little maps and stories and tell people about what they're doing. That's really interesting. And getting introduced to the technology and letting those young sponge minds come up with other ideas on things that they can use this technology for. Right. And these two girls, the Jenkins sisters and Molokai, two years ago, they are three years now, it is a great, big project on mangroves. They're called marching mangroves, how they're taking the reef. Right, right. Huge project. As we saw at the work and had them come up on our conference or annual conference with 15,000 people, those girls got up on stage in front of 15,000 people from Molokai and show them what they were doing in Molokai High School. Right. And then one girl is like Duke and the other girl is like Princeton or you know, these are really smart girls. Molokai goes Duke and Princeton, hopefully they're going to be in the geography majors because geography is more than what it used to be. Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's exciting. I like geography when I was just coloring the maps but imagine what it would have been like when I got to do this. Well hopefully we get to bring them back home and put them to work here too. Yeah, that's also very true. They can help us with that rapid Ohio death. I mean figure out how that thing is taken over the big island and moving from one spot to the other. So you've got all this work that you've got going on in Esri and then you've got the Hawaii Geographic Information Coordinating Council say that five times real fast and what's happening in that spot. So what we tend to do though is kind of trying to figure out we've got a point in pause. Do you have a question? No. I was just not sure if you're going to say that five times or not. No. No. Anyway, we've got Craig Clouet. I'm sorry. I'm from Canada. We have the French Canadian side of it. It's Craig Clouet. It just doesn't work for me at Clouet. It sounds so nice. It's like, you know, Bissonnette or Bissonnette. Anyway, we have Craig Clouet from Solutions Engineer from Esri. We're going to take a short break. We've got Angus who took a photo of something and if the Harlem 301 is still up and running he would have put it on there. Anyway, he's annoyed again. Anyways, Gordo the tech star, Andrew the security guy, Craig Esri. We'll be back in a minute. You're watching Think Tech Hawaii which streams live on thinktechhawaii.com, uploads to YouTube, and broadcasts on cable OC16 and Olelo 54. Great content for Hawaii from Think Tech. Aloha. My name is Steven Phillip Katz. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist and I'm the host of Shrink Rap Hawaii where I talk to other shrinks. Did you ever want to get your head shrunk? Well, this is the best place to come to pick one. I've been doing this. We must have 60 shows with a whole bunch of shrinks that you can look at. I'm here on Tuesdays at 3 o'clock every other Tuesday. I hope you are too. Aloha. Hey, welcome back to Hibachi Talk. We're on Think Tech Hawaii today with Craig Clouet from Esri and right now we're going to cut to Angus with a little rant. What's up, Angus? How you doing? Good, buddy. You're looking great. Good to see you, man. Craig Clouet. We say Clouet in Scotland, you know. We never say that. It's Clouet. Even though we fought against the French in the 15th or 1400s, we still say it the right way. Don't know how to Americanize it. Just give it the way it is. Anyway, you know, I'm really getting annoyed at the people here in Hawaii. We had the shopping carts they never put back. They leave the trash everywhere. Just kidding. They're graffiti. Here's a combination that you're never going to see that much. This is not a new one on Avenue, I think. It says, you know, it says, you know, the guy, the guy used to graffiti his wall to say, no dumping. And guess what they do? It didn't say dump. It said no dumping. I mean, there's not this trash right in front of his wall. Can you believe this? Come on, people. I mean, when I was yelling that government were always yelling everything else, can you just pull up your socks a little bit and just take care of things? You know, my goodness. Anyway, I didn't let it go like this, but get ready. I'm going to start coming down on you. Now, like I said, in every segment, let your wing gang feed. Where do you be? Hello? Ha! Clean up your trash. There's a little rant from Angus from I need to be a good civil servant and help out your community. Don't leave your rubbish and don't dump it in front of your neighbor's house crying out loud. No, for crying out loud. Oh, there's a good name for this segment. Crying out loud. Crying out loud. I know. Oh, God. We're back here with that. Gordon Alley and Craig. So we're learning about Esri today and this is massive technology. It's really driving everything you do without you knowing it. You know, you, the world knows where you are because of GIS and Esri. Oh, yeah. And not only that, even to walk into a retail store or grocery store, I mean, you're doing a lot of in-building stuff now, too. Yeah. It's really a big in, we call it, you know, building infrastructure. Everybody wants to map the whole world. Personally, I said, it's not great. They said, oh, we went inside now. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Sort of 3D modeling. Everything has to be 3D. Turn inside out. Yeah. So, you know, we think about this. We're doing the world like our screen behind us and we're doing the universe. We're doing the world. We get over above. Now we're doing 3D. We can walk down the street because of Google Maps and all this kind of stuff. Yeah. And then now we're going to go into the buildings and start doing that, which are great for things like fire departments. Oh, they totally, yeah. Yeah. They can use it. Security. Your business, all of those kinds of things. Yeah, we need, it doesn't exist. Environmental health, just the breathing, the air, you can map the plumbing systems and the electrical systems and the data systems, and you know. AR, that's the next big one, I think. Not virtual reality, but augmented reality. Augmented reality. People want to see all the infrastructure. Where's my pipes? Where's my valves? When you look at it, it looks like a wall, but you put the VR on because of their technology, you can see everything behind you. And that's what people want. I needed that about a month ago when I couldn't find a leak in one of our, in my condo and ended up having to cut out the whole section of the drywall to find where the shut-off valves work. That's always that way. I had to guess. Yeah, and there's never a set of drawings. I ran about that myself. Yeah, where are they? I don't even know. With Esri, hopefully, it'll be online and available for everybody else to use. Imagine if the plumbers would supply that information right into Esri or whatever. That'd be nice. Wouldn't that be nice? Anyway, so let's talk about the Hawaii Geographic Information Coordinating Council. I'm exhausted. I've said that three times. Tell our smart guys so they have long names for stuff. Tell us about that. All right, so we'll tell them the names. We didn't create the name ourselves. In fact, there's something called NISJIC, the National State's Geographic Information Coordinating Council for all the states. Okay. It's an NAA national and jig. The Hawaii JIG, HIG, ICC became... Every state basically has one. Oh, so everybody has a jig. Everybody has a GICC. So it's your two-letter abbreviation for your state. Arkansas would be... S-A-K-K. Yeah, some of them changed a little bit, but actually it was something the federal government years ago brought together. Because again, the data was such an issue that everybody had data, but it was on different formats. Nobody knew that. They weren't sharing it. On the internet, before the internet, you had to physically sneak her net, we call it, right? Yeah. It over, right? So all the USGS especially came together and said, we want to kind of form these unlike-minded people to get together in a room, share data, talk about what you need, tell us what you need. And so they came about this whole infrastructure. So we started in 1999 around in Hawaii. We saw the city and county and the state people and some private people. Right. We got together and we formed our organization. Since then, we've kept it going for almost one years now. And so what do you do? I mean, so... It's mostly an advocacy organization. So we look at what's coming around and make sure that it makes sense as far as a GIS person. But also we do things that we have an annual scholarship, over $1,000, at least or sometimes two, for students, for college students. We do GIS day once a year generally for high school students. And then we also have these little like conferences and expos to college. So the conferences are big. Right. So here's what we did with HCPO, the Hawaii Congress Planning Officials. We had a joint conference. And then this year, we had a... We call them expos, where it's like a one-day focus on just GIS. We had it here in Honolulu at the Convention Center. And on August 4th, we're going to have another one in Hilo, University of Hilo, Hawaii, to have one for the big island people. So let's talk about that one on August 4th. Because is it open to the public? Or how does that work? It's a 20-hour registration fee, but there's lunch included. So you really just pay for lunch. But it's open to the public. Yeah, that's true. Everyone wants to go and see what's happening in this space. And the next one is in Hilo. So why not take it... Neighbor islands don't always get an opportunity to... So where in Hilo is it at? The University... At the auditorium, they have a nice, very nice... Oh yeah, they do. You bet. It's really nice up there. And then we do it in the summer because then they... They've been really nice helping us out. So they give us... It's free parking because it's in the summer. And then the room is free because it's being sponsored by Dr. Ryan Perroy from the University of Hawaii Hilo Geography Department. So he was able to get together with us. He does a lot of the drone stuff and the lava flows. Okay. So you got drones, lava flows. How exciting... How exciting an industry is this, man? I think if people aren't aware... Cancuns! Yeah, if people aren't aware of how much of this data impacts their life. Every day. It's been collected. It's a massive, massive data set. And we're... The resolutions have only gotten better. So what are you down to now? One inch? What are you looking at? Yeah. What can a normal person get their hand on? A normal person would be more average. We definitely have gotten... Even the state, we've probably been flying the whole coast down to like two centimeters. Wow. And you can literally see like a can of soda sitting on the beach or footprints. Or read a driver's license bill. Yeah, yeah. All that kind of cool stuff. And then you got... Is GIS a day? Yeah, usually we have that in fall. That started years ago with National Geographic Alliance and National Geographic itself. And that was for schools. So they have a geography week in November. Second week in November. Okay. And then years ago, many years ago, they decided, hey, let's have a GIS day included with that. So it's usually that Wednesday. And then, again, what we'll do is just... People from sitting county, from states, they take a day off and we all get together and then we organize some schools to come out with buses. We'll have a little station. So one will be on GPS. One will be on... Usually we do it at NOAA lately. So they're really nice. Marine Science. And maybe a ship captain. Once it was really funny some ship captains were in, they're asking questions. It was really funny to see. Well, for a student to get to exposure to someone that's in the real world of doing this versus trying to read it in a textbook or see it in a PowerPoint slide, it just doesn't quite make it. I mean, video helps a little bit when you've got the real person there. No, it's so much better. Yeah. They love it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they understand that it's not just like terrestrial. It extends to marine. It extends to the ocean floor. It extends to space. Yeah. It extends to things, like counting and tracking of things. If you're collecting data, it's going into these types of systems. Initially it was funny too because somebody was going to do this session where they were going to teach these kids how to make these online story maps we call them. Okay. And then they bailed out and they got to get the call of course, oh, Craig, can you do it for us? I'm like, thinking, how am I going to teach these kids how to make internet story maps in under 20 minutes? I'm like, I don't think it's possible. Right. So I go in there and the kids were just like way ahead of me. They were done in like 10 minutes. Really? Awesome. So that's a success. Yeah, it's super easy. I thought it would be really hard. It was hard for me to come up with, but for then there was like, oh, this is great. I have to show them one example. There's, oh yeah, get out of the way. I know how to do this. So this is the web portal. Yeah, we have a room full of 20 computers and the students I've never met, they came in and they're all, from different high schools, we have like four sessions, one after another and they just come in and I gave them a little demo, kind of an idea of what we were talking about and they're all, oh, great. And then this year we did the Hokalei voyage and they definitely had some pictures of the ports and so the kids get to see, you know, well, they went to Australia, they went to South Africa, to Cuba, New York and then we had a picture and they made a little web story and they were able to go home at night and say, hey mom and dad, look at this, I did this. And then they bring it up online and say, look, it's done. And then there's a guy going like, no, no, no. Yeah, it's great. So we talked a little bit about 3D and augmented reality. Where's it going? What's next? Because I mean, it's growing. Yeah. The only thing it doesn't do currently, and it's going to be very soon, is the smart phones because they don't have the power yet. Yeah. But like on the internet now we've figured it out. So it's like, you can actually take your drone, fly it, put your stuff into some software, hit a button, go and go home and you turn on the internet and it's in 3D on your internet browser. Oh, great. Without the flight. No, the whole building, if you flew around a building, you have a 3D building that you can go around. That's pretty awesome. And that's all it is. Yeah, it's that easy now. Whereas years ago, you had to do all the kind of stuff. Oh, I remember. Big computers. So are you, is that data then added to the data set, the greater data set that all can use? It depends on who's doing it. Sure. A lot of private companies here are doing it for real estate or for development. Yeah. Cock-a-doodle. Yeah, stuff like that. Building, some of the building firms that would tell me that they go, they now say it's fly once a week for their building to check on status. Yeah. It's automatic. Oh, it's Monday. It's go fly the drone and what the trucks are, where things are. They just do it every week now. That's part of the work. Okay, believe it or not, we're winding down. So any last quick message to anyone who wants to get into this field or go to the show? It's a great growing field. So yeah, definitely come to our website, higicc.com. Higicc.com. Or.org. Or.org. Yeah. Or just, you know, Google it. And then, you know, we have this one coming up in August 4th in Hilo. But we also have events throughout the year here. It's a fun industry. Yeah. A possible great career that you'll enjoy. Great career. I only wish. I only wish. Anyway, you get an autograph solo cup from the series. Number 125 in the series. It may mean something at 125. I don't know. But please do not, do not sell that on eBay. Or Craigslist or any GIS related. Hey, Craigslist is okay. Craigslist. All right. All right. Anyway, thank you, Craig. Thank you. Clouet. Clouet. Thanks again, Andrew, the security guys. That was fun to have you on the show. Thanks to all for the team at the back of the house who keep us straight and now. And, like we say at the end of every show, one, two, three. How you doing?