 Video All I've been so shy Roger What you gonna start in but three minutes? Yeah about three minutes Take a bit of stretch, you know if you don't want to start podcasting right away as soon as you go live or you'll pull a muscle Or you might not even start the stream Are you like yesterday you might not start the stream. It's true. I Just I'm I need to get more sleep Unrestful sleep. I'm sorry to hear that. That's right. It's normal with paperwork to do in the immediate future Right because you're becoming a homeowner again. Yes I guess I'll be good How many how many mansions do you own now Roger? By mansions you mean a dwelling with four walls in a room I Yes, I do that's the barest of definitions. Honestly, I don't know at this point. I don't even know I've got so many Precious I literally I literally don't even need to work. My life is literally just one giant monopoly game Yes, I wear a top hat at my secret super secret meaning that we have bi-annually Monocle I'm wearing one. It's so thin you can't even see it We we enjoy a nice luncheon of KFC buckets entertained by By what do you call those instruments the a theremin orchestra? Your personal theremin orchestra. I'm like at this picture. You're painting. It'd be great, right? Like some super secret compound. Yeah, and they're like 12 people that show up with theremin's and they're like Do you would have like the various octaves the various octaves of theremin's like the big bass ones And it's just a giant tooting fork Surrounded by like a bunch of capacitors and wound wire That's dream to pursue. All right, you guys ready to do a show. All right, here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more Head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, September 28 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Scott Johnson on his Wednesday shift clocking in how's it going Scott? He's buying the line at the clock was long and it makes that sound I hate if you have a headache, but other than that. It's a fine working establishment. OSHA rules are being adhered to It's a fine place to be they actually are being adhered to technically But also joining us today Paul Spain host of the NZ tech podcast Who has been attending Microsoft's ignite conference? Good to have you back on the show Paul. Thanks, Tom and We're gonna talk to Paul in a little bit about what's been going on at ignite that might be of interest to you the user But let's start off with some top stories Blackberry CEO John Chen put out a statement saying quote The company plans to end all internal hardware development and will outsource that function to partners So I take my current geek shot glass Pour a little out for Blackberry. Oh Blackberry is named one partner so far Indonesia's BB Mara putee They will get a license to make blackberry hardware. There may be more coming last year CEO John Chen said the company Would need to sell 5 million phones for the handset business to be profitable. I assume they didn't Blackberry did post their Q2 results Wednesday showing a loss of 372 million dollars That's 71 cents a share lost a year ago. The company had a profit of 51 million on 24 cents a share profit So They are not doing well and certainly the handset business is not doing well either. Yeah, I'd like to see Something good come out. I'd like to see sort of an IBM style Transition for this company. We talked a bit about this this morning, but you know IBM successfully went from a Hardware maker and a consumer hardware maker and slipped out of that and became you know, sort of a business enterprise services company in a huge way So I you know, they have a foothold in that already with their enterprise solution It would be really nice to see that parlayed into that but it's hard not to see this news as much more than just another sad Notch on the belt of this company that went from, you know industry darling to very quickly something nobody thinks about it anymore Yeah, I mean, it's not the passing of Blackberry. It's not even necessarily the passing of Blackberry hardware They're gonna have licenses But it is the end of an era of Blackberry making their own hardware the thing that they were known for when they were rim Paul, what are your thoughts on this? I think that the concern for Blackberry is it just don't have enough diversity of products Yeah, you look at Microsoft to haven't been doing very well on the mobile space But of course, they've got they've got so many other revenue streams. It's not really an issue. They're not gonna disappear overnight But that's that's really the issue here with Blackberry. They're losing so much money As you say, you know the hardware was the big thing around Blackberry for you know for a long time The Blackberry enterprise server those bits and pieces Yeah, what they what they're doing with cars Yeah, there's some revenue streams there But I'm not sure that it's it's gonna be enough to give them a particularly impressive long-term future So, you know, I would imagine those bits and pieces could well get You know sold off. I don't see a big future for for Blackberry as they're known today Yeah, no, I think you're right Blackberry enterprise server very Very valuable property a lot of their messaging and security technology is very good if not popular anymore And Q and X which they own which does the embedded things for cars Could be a profitable avenue and lots of embedded systems Internet of Things style But you're right it's it may not be enough and it may not generate enough revenue fast enough for Blackberry to take advantage of it and I hate to make a fruit pun But they seem ripe for takeover. Oh, I I hate for you to make one of those too I want to ask you one question though If they do recede into the that weird and nebulous corporate space that is like say the domain of IBM now IBM used to have this name synonymous with with consumer writers. They don't have that anymore So if they can they successfully do that in other words is the Blackberry brand even matter Like I see this as oh no the loss of a brand and it's and this is another sign of of a coffin being nailed shut But but could it could it be that all of that stuff that happens behind this non-consumer curtain? That makes billions a year for many many companies. They could settle in there. Maybe just fine just nicely. Yeah, well the problem is that That business has suffered at the expense of the handset business as the handset business has been dragging it down John Chen's been trying to transition them towards that, but at the same time I don't see Blackberry's enterprise products getting more press and more popular As time goes on in fact some people this morning were saying the I we used to use BES blackberry enterprise server And we don't anymore So that's a fight as well And that's why I kind of see them as ripe for takeover somebody like an IBM Maybe or even an Amazon or an HP or a sales force could say we would like to take that technology and fold it into our own If Blackberry can't make a business on it And it's ironic to think that the company that was rimmed for research in motion when it sold handsets very profitably Changed it to the name of the handsets Blackberry and now isn't going to sell the handsets anymore. Yeah, it's ironic. It's all worked out Apple said Wednesday, they're gonna move its London based headquarters to the former Battersea power station if that doesn't sound awesome. Well, it does and it should the station's famous Too many for being the cover of Pink Floyd's album animals Was purchased in 2012 by a Malaysian consortium and is being redeveloped into offices hotels housing and shops Apple will take up residence in the former central boiler house where Cyberman Cybermen rather used to have their headquarters and an episode of doctor Who Apple will move in? 2021 I love the look of this place and I'm all up on this like sort of industrial Renovation I think it's awesome. Oh, yeah, no, I remember the first time I ever went to London I flew into Gatwick Airport took a train up and we passed the Battersea power station and I was like, oh my gosh That's the album cover come to life So it's certainly iconic makes sense for Apple to be in an iconic place like that and part of its redevelopment efforts and and Paul The United Kingdom is trying to tout this as hey Look who's sticking around and reinvesting in England even after the vote for Bruxett Well, yeah, I don't know quite the level of reinvestment. I don't think they've actually bought it if I had two hundred Billion dollars in the bank. They'd probably be something would be quite nice to Not quite nice to own but you know, I guess they want to be able to pick and choose What's the the trendiest call a sort of spot for them and no doubt that's that's one for for a little while Terms of their commitment to the UK. Well, while there's while they're selling our product there They're gonna keep a base and you know, I think that there's a lot of good people that you know probably work for them in the UK and It's you know, it's probably gonna be a little bit challenging, you know for businesses there in terms of How they will be able to employ? I'm sure their current base will have a you know quite a mix of workers from across the EU and You know, it's yet to be seen what challenges that's going to that's gonna create In terms of whether all of those people are gonna be able to stay there or not Tom shouldn't there be pigs flying around those stacks and stuff. I mean, that's my they could get that as part of their deal Let's just say hey hey look We're gonna sell a lot more copies of the MP3s from animals if we can have these pigs flying around in front of our headquarters Yeah, and Tim Cook shaking hands with a on fire Tim Cook. I can see how You know Apple music rated by JD power and associates as the number one consumer satisfaction music streaming service I like it a lot. I didn't like it and stopped using it after the free trial. So There you go. We are all not the same Twitter opened its moments features while they're opening. I haven't gotten it yet They're open the moments features to all users So everyone not just hand-selected celebrities will be able to create their own Collection of tweets to tell a story or highlight an event that will show up potentially in the moments tab They also when you create a moment, it'll get tweeted out to your timeline So people can click on it and see the moment Once it shows up, you should see a button called create a new moment on your home page We're by your timeline you select that add the tweets you want to include They give you some search options and such then select a cover image and then publish it and anyone who follows you will be able to See it feature has launched on the web and will come to mobile soon and when they say launched on the web I guess it's rolling out slowly today. Hmm. Do you think they Why why haven't they may come up with a way when they add new features like this Twitter is famous for this now They'll put out a new feature of some sort if it's in the settings or if it's something more overt to your profile they just sort of say we're rolling it out or it's coming and you'll start seeing it and Well part of that has to do with the fact that these sites now have so many Cashed versions across so many different CDNs around the world that it's just not possible to press a button and make it available For everybody at the same time It just seems like they should put something above the fold or something somewhere that just says Coming soon. I mean just give somebody an idea that it's coming Otherwise, I feel like this is going to be one of those features that people just don't notice It's just gonna kind of come and go and you won't even know you have it Paul you said Yours right like you've got you've got moments working. Did you say before the show? No, no, I just I just see moments in Twitter, but I don't generally actually You know use it, you know, it's been sitting there for a while Don't usually go in and actually have a look at the you know that moments Section so it's there in the UI to see but now I don't seem to be able to to create them just yet Well, and that's another thing that Twitter will get out of this is if you see in your normal Twitter timeline that Paul your friend created a moment You'll click through to that and that may lead you to start going to the moments tab more often It's started. It'll start to teach you like Scott was saying like they launched the moments tab I always forget it's there and I never go look at it. Maybe this will start to encourage me to explore it more About it so they need more engagement. So good luck with that Let's see what else we got going on today other things like how about this the intercept obtained Florida Department Excuse me the intercept meaning the intercept obtained a Florida Department of Law Enforcement document that shows a log of phone numbers Contacted an iMessage along with corresponding IP addresses and timestamps Apple shares these logs of law enforcement when compelled by a court order The log comes from the server that decides whether to route a message by SMS or through Apple's own iMessage network Apple told the intercept that the logs are only kept for 30 days and the logs do not indicate whether any communication took place Or what the content might have been so it sounds just like Servers and what they say to each other to make determinations about how this data is going to be transmitted and that is it or at least That's what they're claiming Tom. Yeah, it's both more and less Than a story here and I think the intercept did a fair job of handling it Pointing out that Apple has said in the past that they don't give out location information Regarding iMessage that location information is end to end encrypted. They don't know it And no law enforcement operation could get it But they they forgot or or or sort of ignore that an IP address Can be used to deduce a location now an IP address is not an address, right? It anybody can use a VPN and their IP address will show them in a part of the world But they're not so it isn't for sure But it is often used as a shortcut to like well They have an IP address that lists as Canada so they're likely in Canada And that's what the intercept is pointing out is Apple has sworn that location information in iMessage was unavailable This this way of divining in a location might be available. Otherwise. It's a pretty Uncontroversial log This is what all server logs have all over the place They have an IP address that the time stamp of the request and then what the request was in this case That what the request was was a phone number and it needs that that that that is what it needs to be able to route it to Oh, is this a phone number in our iMessage system or is it a phone number in the telephone system, right? And isn't this to the same or the equivalent of I mean look all I know from law enforcement is mostly what I see on television I'm gonna be honest But when somebody looks for cell phone records and they're looking for tower records and when calls took place and so on Yeah, it's metadata, right at a data, right exactly. That's the word. I was looking for so all this is bug you at all No, I mean, I'm I'm a little bit on the fence on some of these privacy things because I you know, I'm interested in The police being able to catch the catch the bad guys And this one here doesn't you know, it's not too scary as you say it's it's mostly sort of fairly high-level metadata But yeah, I guess they're there could be times where it gets used in a in a manner That's not not good whenever there's metadata And you know IP addresses and so on Yeah, they could get used I Think it's fair enough to let people good uses. Yeah. Yeah I think it's fair to let people know that this is being collected and Apple wasn't necessarily doing that before on the other hand Like I said all servers log things like this So I kind of assume that the sort of thing is collected when I use things a lot of people don't And don't forget that this these phone records if you just open up by message put in a contact info It's going to go to the server. It's going to get that contact info So that log is going to show that number being accessed by your IP address doesn't mean a communication was sent So so this doesn't even this not only doesn't tell you what was in any text messages that are sent It doesn't even tell you if the text message was sent. Yeah To me to me it's like I always think about this thing where people worry about people taking pictures of the rear-ends of their cars And you can see their license plate. Yeah, yeah Her people get upset about that my mind I'm thinking well, we're driving all day looking at each other's license plates Yeah, where I need to go and to do it legally I got to have one and it needs to be registered and that means there's metadata with that in records and in other ways So some some of this is just the process of getting stuff done Hanging onto records for whatever limited amount of time is more about keeping them not liable when there when there is a court order to give That kind of data whether that data can glean anything or not is is arguable, but at some point we have to function So everything's and everything's not some weird security breach And I think the internet is in the mood right now to jump on everything that might look like one Well, and I think this is this says hey, this is another reminder That your data is being collected all the time Yeah, so you need to be aware of that and fight for strong privacy rules that you have control over your data And you know what's being collected and where yeah, that's being used. I mean this who knows this call run right now I don't know what they're storing for this I just know they have to store something to keep it working my AP address is part of the deal Yeah, I will remind you we're live and people are watching our conversation and I will be recording it I am recording it and we'll post it later. So Whoa Uber owned auto OTT O tells Reuters it will increase its fleet from six to 15 trucks and have them carrying freight for customers next year Auto wants to make self-driving trucks So they're working with independent truckers not only on self-driving trucks But to try an algorithm that would match freight with drivers and provide a more efficient route Now that's a competitive business industry heavyweights like expo logistics and ch. Robinson are already in the business of offering similar services But you know, they've got the uber connection now So they they think they might be able to disrupt that a little some trucks will be autonomous on freeways next year But still need a driver and engineer others will just use sophisticated navigation mapping and tracking Auto has motor carrier permits with US Department of Transportation and the California Department of Motor Vehicles And they filed for a permit to haul freight last month So an arm of uber here getting into the long-haul trucking business and you were you were talking earlier Specifically this morning on TMS about expo logistics and ch. Robinson also making inroads in this way and just reiterated that now but It's an interesting Thing about this that's a different than say the taxi business that uber disrupted in pretty big ways with ride sharing They are already sort of in a competitive space that's that's looking forward to what they need to do You know next level and if this is so this isn't as cut it and cut and drive a thing for uber to come in and say We're going to change the very foundation of freight From here and and forward they they'll have some real stuff stiff competition here Whereas with taxi services and you know general city-based transportation. They you know, that was a different animal altogether Yeah, it was something that was a little ossified maybe Would be a word a word that no one uses but it just it's just means something that's been hardened in place So it wasn't that there wasn't competition in the taxi industry But the competition sort of got into a comfortable place that was frozen in cooperation with the city Paul, what do you make of this? Oh, I think the interesting thing here is that uber have so much You know such a big valuation and the ability to draw and funds and large sums So, you know, I think that you know potentially will be able to be much much better funded And so as we've seen their acceleration sort of globally Against for instance Lyft where you know, they're just totally available in hundreds of cities We could well see, you know, they move very very quickly with auto and In that sense be able to sort of beat out their competitors And you know whether they'll move into it, you know other countries in the same way they have done with uber I think you know, there's still a fair bit of are indeed to be done to get this stuff right But I mean, it's a it's a huge industry. I looked up the number of truck drivers In the US and I saw a figure saying three and a half million That's 1% of the population Nearly are involved in this so anything that they can do to really improve that productivity you know help these guys to Maybe drive more hours and so on. I mean, there's there's there's so much money in this. I think it's you know, it's very very You know worth it's well worth them investing in and I think they'll throw a lot of money into it Yeah, it's interesting that you say that because down the the ultimate goal here is to remove the driver But that is a long way down the road. I hate that we keep using road because it's a drugging story But it's kind of unavoidable In the meantime what auto wants to do is say hey, we need you to be a driver Even in some of these autonomous cars that we're trying out so we want to work with you to make your job better easier and more profitable That's at least sounds like a good pitch. I know we've got some truckers in the audience I'd be interested to see what they think. Oh, yeah, good emails this week I hope a new version of the Amazon fire stick TV You may be familiar with the previous model comes with an Alexa remote control That's going on pre-order today For 40 bucks including the remote. That's actually a pretty awesome deal in addition to the voice command capabilities The stick also gets upgraded from a dual to a quad core processor That's big news if you think your current stick is slow like I do shipping begins October 20th Alexa making one more. I'm sorry to probably set off a bunch of people Alexa's But anyway making one more in road into your home. You weren't expecting add chocolate chips to shopping list Yeah, it's a It's the stick form factor is becoming viable and I am curious Hey, we heard the rumor that Chromecast is gonna have an updated version that will be 4k support We might hear about that October 4th. It sounds like we also have the end Chromecast kicked off the stick form factor We also have new Roku sticks that were announced yesterday that we mentioned so more and more It's easy to find an inexpensive way to just plug something into your HDMI port and get a lot of Internet television services. I'm curious Paul in from the New Zealand perspective How popular are these things are and how useful they are? Yeah, they're certainly growing and popularity What we don't What we don't see is really anyone pushing them as as heavily as they are here in the US and You know, for instance, this isn't the product that would be sold and probably many markets outside of the US And so, you know, New Zealand's not in there yet Alexa of course is really focused on the US at the moment. I think what they've They're expanding that into what UK is Germany maybe as well So there's a you know, there's a little bit of a way to go but I mean at that price, I'll probably get one anyway, you know 40 bucks and Yeah, good way to to extend Alexa You know, I've already got you know a bit of Alexa So once it once it comes to more devices, then I think it starts getting more useful Yeah, I'm curious too because we always avoid saying her name It was much as possible because we have been known to set off people's Amazon Echoes when we do Does a New Zealand pronunciation also set off the Amazon Echo? So probably does I have to have mine on my mind Unplugged for the last little while Because it isn't quite so useful in New Zealand. So I've forgotten about that. So sorry to all the listeners Yeah The only bummer at the story Thomas there's no indication at least not here that The existing technology might extend to existing sticks or fire TVs for that matter where there is voice control I have a fire TV where I know it is. It is. Oh, it is coming to that Yeah, in fact, it's already come. Okay. Well, if that's the case then forget everything I said also Alexa ordered 24 Ready you can submit stories of vote on in the Daily Tech news show reddit.com. That's a look at the top stories Alright, so much stuff going on at Microsoft Ignite. We've talked about it quite a bit on Daily Tech headlines We've mentioned it a bit here Microsoft giving some good office updates very much such a Nadella emphasizing artificial intelligence in his keynote So Paul, what is what are your top three things you've taken away from Microsoft Ignite start with number one? Well, I mean, it's pretty hard to pick these but the bit that really jumped out at me to start with is what they're doing with their Advanced threat analytics and that's been available office 365. It's it's coming across into Windows 10 but they're having these products work together and the interesting piece here is How they're going to use this technology to Protect us around really the most common types of threats So, you know what we see is organizations and individuals get get hit with these attacks via email there are dodgy web links and You know malware sometimes an attachment So they're going to be addressing both of those with the with the web links advanced threat analytics will Not only just look at their database to see if this is a link somewhere bad They'll actually take that away and then in a sort of a virtualized sense. They will they will click through on it And find out does it take does it take you to a malware site? So they're going to block you, you know in terms of getting through to that link or at least alert you if they find It's not good and then they've got this What I heard referred to as remote detonation of That as that technique where they do that remotely so quite like that that name and then doing something similar Also with with the attachments. So yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I love this idea of you know for a long time We've had the ability to preload a page you're likely to click on in certain browsers In or give you a preview when you hover over a link of the page by just kind of preloading This is taking that principle and applying it to security is saying hey, we can we can virtualize things We've got we're good at containers, right? They're they're partnering up with Docker They're gonna include Docker in a bunch of stuff Let's make a a little bit of that make a little container where we can remotely Explode your document and see if it's filled with malware We can click on this link and see if it goes somewhere without affecting the rest of your system So then we can say hold on before you open that attachment before you click on that link It's doing something funny in our virtualized space. So we're recommending that you just hold off Yeah So yeah, and they're also doing doing something somewhat similar with this Windows Defender app guard Which they're launching initially with with edge What they'll be doing there where they see something that they they don't like is they'll actually be firing up an instance of the browser Effectively in its own virtual machine So it's sort of walled off from from the rest of what you're doing and helps keep you keep you safe The next thing up that I found interesting was what they're doing with one drive they've they've sort of shared an updated roadmap and They've got some new capabilities for sort of I guess consumers and and every user in terms of Through particularly through the browser Where you'll be able to see previews of a whole lot more Document types so you might have an Adobe illustrator a Graphic or photoshop They got some some more filters for Video and photos so these are things that you'll actually be able to to preview in the browser Which is not something they've had before so I think that's that's pretty handy And especially if you don't have those applications installed and even EPS files. Do you remember EPS files? Oh sure. Yeah, haven't dealt with one of them. Something so common these days, right? But they've obviously got an engine there that's That's able to render that which I think is is kind of handy because you know I don't have an easy way of doing that even even on my PC with the software that's installed So yeah some good stuff coming there for on the business front they're they're finally releasing in a preview form the ability for Organizations to be able to synchronize their SharePoint document libraries down to their their PCs And I think that's cool Yeah, I think this is this is gonna be quite quite important for those that are wanting to move away from traditional file servers and Haven't settled on an alternative option in terms of cloud storage and you know SharePoint's got some pretty good capabilities the only downer I heard on that is that if you've if you're using Some of those security mechanisms on your on your SharePoint with the rights management That's not gonna work initially with this stuff and you know The rights management is probably one of those things that really stands out for for SharePoint and being able to protect your documents that You know against data loss and you know private stuff not being able to get out there So they've got a little bit of work to do there now going back to the OneDrive Previews Scott, I know that could come in handy for you If you've got an illustrator file or something that you want to send to somebody, but they don't have illustrator They could open it in OneDrive and still get a good look at it. Yeah, this is really really big actually you mentioned EPS files and While it actually has been a little while for me as well I get those on a fairly recent basis probably two three months ago I had to deal with not only EPS files a couple of DXF files a couple of really old TIFF files Many of which are you know if you have Photoshop or something you can kind of preview these things But if you don't have those applications or better yet If I'm needing to have a conversation with a client about what they're actually looking for and if they can preview this stuff Before I have to go through hoops to convert and get them in formats They can see and crank it all down to some JPEG they can look at that's actually kind of huge for people like me That deal with a lot of graphic formats and deal with a lot of document formats So so yeah, this is this comes as a is a little bit of a surprise and also a very welcome surprise. I'm excited about it Now we like I said we mentioned I think on daily tech headlines for sure the idea that Microsoft Word is going to have a little bit of AI So we'll suggest things that you can add to a document like graphs This is mostly for companies where you have shared resources and they're like, hey Do you want to use this clip art? Do you want to use this graph power point? Is going to have the ability to suggest A an outline for you based on what you're writing about which is pretty cool But the third thing you found Paul is is not none of that It's something you found on the did you found it on the show floor, right? Yeah, so the third thing is probably is the show floor. I mean, there's actually so much to see and In some sense as I was walking around I was sort of wondering like do I really need to do this? Surely I can find all of these companies on on google But it's those sort of one-on-one interactions and getting hands-on products and one of the products I came across is the headphones. I'm using right now the sin highs the mv6 60 And these are these are quite cool. They Remind me a little bit of what bows have been doing with their qc 35s Then you their new headphones which are you know bluetooth and so on So that they can operate on a bluetooth type basis, but you can also plug them straight into your device over usb They've got a 3.5 mil connector And of course that noise reduction which which the You know the top end headphones are doing And they're targeting this and they've got them certified by microsoft for for skype for business So I can see people that maybe would quite like some of the The bows headphones But we quite like their business to pay for them It's probably pretty hard to get away with that in most cases But these are a business tool because they work with skype for business But they'll be very nice for those that you know want that noise reduction when they're You know flying so yeah kind of kind of cool. I'm not sure exactly at the price point They they mentioned a price in euros to me that was around 400 euros So um that's uh, you know at the top end shall we say yeah, yeah, absolutely Well, thanks for for sharing uh your thoughts and insights from ignite and if you want some more of course You could follow paul spain, but also he's got some pretty copious notes in our show notes as well Let's get to our pick of the day bill russell the not basketball player bill russell differ one This one lives in north dakota recommends sweet home wi-fi picture backup Bill says this app is android only as far as I know during the setup You'll mark which folders you want to back up what wi-fi network it's backing up on So that if you're at a friend's house, it won't use up their bandwidth doing it And what folder format you want the files to be saved into my current setup will back up my pictures and videos As soon as i'm connected to a folder on my media pc that is also Set to back up online with crash plan and from there I can decide to move files to google photos backup folder if i want Because google photos will compress your files This allows him to keep pictures that their original quality backed up online right away But also get them into google photos. He says sweet home comes in two varieties Free one is basically their testing beta version of the software and the paid one is two dollars and 95 cents While the software isn't pretty he said hasn't been updated with a modern ui He says it's still worth the money to preserve my image and video quality and use google photos at the same time I love this idea. I love the idea of being able to pull it into a pretty easy to to create situation like this and then Disperse it how you want it from there Like get it to the drive and then let the drive decide google photos or wherever else you're going to store these things on the cloud It's a that sounds awesome. I I I mean i'm an ios guy But I keep hoping something like this will happen and all I ever find is either google photos straight out Or I got to use iCloud which I hate so uh, yeah, this seems great Send your picks to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com Slash picks a few emails here and the first one comes from simon in johannesburg south africa Listening to the show yesterday about google ultimately wanting to offer data across africa Absolutely, they ultimately do but as you and patrick mentioned africa is a vast continent of over 50 countries And they're all different and their telcos are even more different if you can be more different For example empesa the mobile money operator is a huge hit in kenya But in south africa the different mobile operators have all tried and failed at mobile money Because we already have a very developed banking system and a new bank called capitech which started in 2001 Offers accounts for 50 cents us a month with great interest rates and atm online banking access So they don't really need mobile money. He says now sure we all need data and currently we have data must fall Movement in south africa trying to get data rates down For example one operator mtn has vastly different rates for data in the different countries they operate in And south africa has by far the most expensive further many local companies have tried expanding into the rest of africa But most have failed because they failed to truly understand those differences So simon says google's gonna have to be careful Wow Yeah, sounds complicated over there and i quit complaining that i think it's complicated here is what i've learned Yeah, uh And you you you forget just how large of a continent africa is because we're all used to seeing that mercator projection Uh where it's down there looking tiny Uh jonathan wrote in and said an answer to rogers comment yesterday Yes, there is a minimum flight altitude for helicopters which generally don't fly lower than 500 feet Although the fAA regulations for helicopters say you must only maintain a height that is high enough to allow a safe landing There are also other rules for staying above people and property that make the 500 foot The general rule for minimum altitude and jonathan says he apologizes. He made an error in his email Colleague pointed out that while it was a contentious battle, ultimately the new children's hospital in san francisco did Get approval for a helipad, which is now the only helicopter landing spot in san francisco He's like i'm sorry. I chose that example as an unfortunate one But that's good to know that that hospital did get the ability to get those emergency helicopters landing Yeah, these these uh, I missed that conversation, but the the um the density of certain cities is You know, it's obvious why they get a little skittish about this sort of thing Yeah, that might be the exception to want to make Uh, we also got a couple of responses to modularity Gary wrote in and said i've been in the industry for a while in my experience It's not clear that the advantages of modularity outweigh the disadvantages The major advantages are ease of maintenance and upgrades the major disadvantages are bulk expense And possibly reliability issues basically if you don't mind a phone that costs anything up to 50% more than a non modular equivalent May disassemble itself into component modules have dropped and may need to be disassembled periodically for cleaning And is heavier and bulkier than the non modular equivalent Then a modular phone might be for you Sold Yeah Do either of you guys uh, because patrick was yesterday, uh talking about how he didn't think modular phones would catch on And of course with project are being retired. It looks like for now. That's not a thing that's going to happen Does that make either of you sad? Well, I don't I don't know about sad except I mean, I like the okay Let me say it this way I like the idea a lot of a modular phone, but i'm not sure the practicality holds up I I don't even really and this is gonna sound weird because as much as I love more battery life and wish I could swap my battery out. I know that if I could it would be At least a semi clunky mechanism something that could pop open if I drop the phone And damage it worse or whatever so even that kind of modularity I have grown accustomed to not having to worry about that So so part of me likes a very self-contained type sort of thing But on the other hand Maybe it's the science fiction fan in me, but I like the idea of saying I want to you know Hook these three things together and therefore have a thing that was greater than the sum of its parts A couple of emailers said they would like the option not so much for modularity But for the ability to choose a different spec So in other words like hey, I love a phone, but it's only 5.7 inches and that's too big for me If I could you know because of modularity choose that exact same phone But at 5.1 inches maybe that might be better for Paul, what are your thoughts on this? Yeah, I mean we have that to a to a degree, you know the likes of samsung that produce so many different models You can you can sort of get that I mean what we've seen is we've moved away from from modularity with uh with our technology You know you think of the old pieces you had a different card for for you know Everything was basically a module in in some form and that's disappeared as we've you know We've got down to smaller and smaller Devices two and ones and smartphones and so on but I think there is some room for it In fact, there's a company out of new zealand That I think you're going to be launching on on Kickstarter. They've just gone through a crowdfunding campaign They called the module project and their focus is on technology that can be built in a modular way and What they show showed off a couple of months ago Locally was a portable bluetooth speaker and if you think of most You know portable bluetooth speakers they've got everything sort of embedded them in them in terms of the battery and the electronics and so on So, you know if at any point which which will happen eventually your 200 dollar plus Bluetooth speaker battery fails you basically throw the whole thing in the bin. So they're working What trash you should say here in the u.s So they're they're working on on on products and to start with as a portable speaker that they're saying You know could last you 10 to 20 years and the option of being able to move out the electronics if we move from say bluetooth 4 Or 5 on to you know some other you know mechanisms those pieces would all be able to change and Their approaches to come up with something that's quite stylish So you'd actually want to you know, maybe pay a little bit of a premium price for it too Yeah, maybe that is the the future modularity is with these lower power devices Where the the main board the motherboard the the chips don't need to change as fast But the the external connectors protocols, etc Could be modular. That's that's I wish I wish that was happening with with every time usb changed or any kind of Connectivity ios stuff changed. I would love it if I could just pop a card out of my pc and say up You got usb c now Yeah Or like I don't use these two thunderbolt ports. So I'll pop one of them out and put an ethernet port back in a lot Yeah Finally collin wanted to point out part of the spacex announcement that we didn't get around to talking to yesterday Uh, and it's a it's a good part of it The vision is to operate a fleet of these spacecrafts And I don't think we made that clear for every spacecraft carrying passengers 10 or so cargo ships will be needed Caring supplies building materials and machinery earth and mars reach a point of closest approach every 26 months So in order to colonize mars in the two years leading up to a departure window The boosters are going to launch many times, you know, we talked about one round trip The booster goes up separates comes back down launches back up to refuel That's what they showed in the presentation But that booster can go up many many times over that two years in advance of the departure building up that fleet Of transportation ships in orbit around the earth. So thank you collin uh for pointing that out appreciate the email And thank you paul spain uh for joining us where can folks find more of what you're doing online Uh paul spain dot com or at paul spain on uh on twitter as a sort of places to track me down and uh Yeah, my my weekly podcast for anyone down under that wants to pick it out is the uh New Zealand tape podcast. That's pretty easy to find Go check that out scott johnson. What do you got to tell folks about before we get out of here? Oh, so many things I would recommend uh, you want to see my funny take on live streaming the uh the uh presidential debates in vr Go read my webcomic at my extra life.com. There's one up there today And funny enough it's not about politics. It's not about whose side you're on It's about How vr has to be recalibrated all the time. So uh give that a shot at my extra life dot com for all else follow me at Uh scott johnson on twitter Big thanks to every single person who supports this show. 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So uh, yeah, I'll keep in touch I think that and the time zone you're recording actually isn't so Uh, isn't so bad for new zealand most of the time Although we've just had no light saving. So I'll have to have to see where they're able to That puts it but um, yeah, it's always fun to come on the show. So thank you Yeah, thank you too. Let you get uh get back to the conference Cool and nice to meet you scott. Yeah, nice to meet you as well. That was it was awesome hanging out with you today, man Cool. Thanks. Okay All right. Take care. All right See you Roger. Bye Show titles Show titles you say Yes, r.i.p rim Except it's not rim. It's blackberry. I know Um Remotely explode your document Blackberry to ooh Wow black We got a mighty uber bj and the uber You gotta be really old. You gotta be really old to run at all bj and the uber Wow Blackberry's final crack Blackberry gives up its physical body. It's good too Yeah, I was going to mention something It's it's very interesting that ibm is always kind of used as an example because ibm was always a business company They essentially just went back to do being what they were originally. Well, but yeah but I still think it's a valid comparison because they were a A tabulating company And then they were an office machines company and then they were a mainframe computer company And then they were a personal computing like they've they've they've stayed largely in the business world You're right, but they've navigated lots of different maneuvers in that and I think that could apply to blackberry. I mean I Yes, I agree and it's I mean it's one of those things where ibm ibm fell into the personal computer market not out of the plan designed Uh to go into that market. It was just like hey, how do we make workers more productive? You could say that about typewriters too Yeah, you can but it's they they literally just went back to being a business company, which is what I don't think they went back I think they were always a business company. Well, that's true Yeah, they I mean the the better. Well Let's say this snapchat thing doesn't work out with the glasses, right? You could look at that and go Well, there's a company who got away from their core competencies And they should go back to what they were doing or whatever. I mean, we don't know how that's going to turn out So who knows we'll say that but that's kind of I feel like that's what happened IBM Their core company a competency was business and mainframe and all of that and then they were like We got to get in on some of this personal computer business Well, at some point didn't want to do that anymore I mean they they they came with a design that it's so weird because they're I think part of it is the way we understand personal computers is a little different than the landscape was back in the late 70s Early 80s. I mean you had a clear delineation between what was considered a home computer like a apple 2 or uh c64 versus a business but personal computer Those designations were basically designation for size of machine. You had a mainframe You had a mini computer A personal computer was something you would be able to stick on a desk versus you being hooked up via a terminal And and wires to a mini room some or a mini computer or my mainframe somewhere in the back So it's it's so I don't know Uh bj and the u-bear and number one No, I want to go with remotely explode your document. All right, cool Yeah, although I do also want to comment on the modular Uh phone designs like it's very interesting because modularity is people think of like the finished product Like the one the consumer holds in their hands But from a design standpoint They use a modular design because they want to be able to reuse The same component in multiple designs because they spend, you know, they can spend x amount of dollars getting one type of modem And so they have to they think, you know, they have a good point There are two different kinds of modularity. The one we're talking about is consumer oriented That's what project are was going to be consumer oriented Like you as the consumer get the benefits of modularity. Yeah, which is which is also an odd offshoot from The way ibm built their machine because they're trying to build it They're building the pc x before was the xt the pc using the least amount of money available So they put everything pulled a lot of stuff off the shelf. So what were you gonna do? Well, you put these expansions an example of that design modularity. In fact Gary I didn't read it on the show, but gary, uh wrote a post script about the ibm ps2 And the fact that it was you were able to completely disassemble and reassemble it without any tools But the problem was that to make this practical components had to be built with proprietary interfaces So they could fit it in that modular chassis Sorry, I just have to get so much. Although, you know the mca sort of mca sort of kind of mca Michael Chen architectures kind of what you think ibm easty boys mca Uh, Leonard's record label what? So many things so many things I'm sure in the future fbi will be something completely different like in 200 years from now Uh feel more Brackets internally, I don't know give you like fruit basket incorporated There you go. It'll be like some whole foods knocked off But you'll shop like you shop at ikea. You have to assemble your own dinner That's a joke all the flat bread get it hold on Flat bread flat vegetables And cold pressed meats Pearl buttocks Pearl buttock is the ikea of meats And they give you and then they give you like really crappy knives and stuff and cutlery like packaged in with everything It's plastic. Yeah, it's all just uh allen wrenches. You have to eat with allen wrenches How come your mom makes all these cookies looking in a hexagonal shape? I actually really like ikea's food though. I do too I don't like the meatballs. I don't like anything else the lingonberry sauce They have good cheeses usually yeah weird pickled things. I like and the wassa bread all that scandinavian cracker That christmas cola that they put out that uh, yeah, that was all right I didn't like it at all Camilla loved it but she's now I will she's from scan. Yeah, she's swedish. I yes You uh, you learned uh, you learned to love it. I suppose Well, and scott and I have scandinavian blood so it makes sense that we like ikea things. Yeah, it's part of our soul Yeah, you like to pickle f pickled hair is the pickle. I do a lot of pickle air How about you scott stop stereotyping me roger I would rather Burn a hole in my neck than eat that he pickled air and tried lutefisk once and I politely said that Very unique Mass we had to test it and it was horrifying I have a wide palette though. I think that many people in the audience already know this. Oh, yeah I watched you slam Clemato in front of people on a stage. It was all right And then yogurt soda and then the yogurt soda was fine. I actually liked that anything we gave you You would just eat. Yeah That was I was that guy That means you have no taste buds. I'm wondering which flavor No, it doesn't you don't have it Maybe you don't have bitter taste buds or perhaps salty. I maybe that's it. Maybe I don't have the bitterer as much I wish I got a lot of bitter You got enough of both of us Oh, this bread is the most bitter thing I've ever eaten Yeah, because I don't I don't taste cilantro as soap I I'd neither do I love cilantro My wife hates it. She says it's gross Um, there's a few other things like that where I'm like, oh no, it doesn't like my wife thinks that um sea urchin the uni sushi She thinks it tastes like dirt and I I don't taste that at all Trying to think if I've ever had that it tastes like peanut butter to me. It's so good What does peanut butter taste like to you taste also it tastes like sea urchin Tastes very earthy I don't like it. It's like sea urchin. This sea urchin tastes like peanut butter. It's a great taste at Icelandic like, uh Salt licorice stuff That's enough to put me in a hospital. It's so gross You've never had it be lucky. I don't know if I've had salt licorice It's bad. Oh, I've had Is it like um ling hei mui the like I don't know ling hei mui is the um, it's a chinese thing that has What's the what's the salt? It's not a salt. It's like a licorice powder on the outside of like plums Oh, yeah, yeah, I know those my mom used to eat them all the time. Yeah a lot of people hate that. I love those That sounds awful. It depends because there's there's um It works better at least to my taste for certain fruits because they do they do they do plums, but they do other Yeah, they do cherries too. Yeah So it really depends and also depends on manufacturer. I used to hate this one because it tasted really Like you taste it that more than the fruit and it was just that particular Producer they just packaged too much. I used to go to the grocery store when we get to hawaii and buy them Because they just carry them in the drug stores there. Uh, it's funny that I don't see them here I Would think the la I think because I'm pretty sure I found them here and there in San Francisco um one thing I miss eating and they should is the uh The dried beef jerky And it was really weird because it was kind of like low song. It was kind of hairy But that's just that's just the meat fibers from the drying process Yes, but it wasn't like a slim jet Maybe it was just literally like you slice to me and As you dry it out. It just kind of shrivels up and turns into a little weird shape But just hearing you say meat fibers is enough to make me Yeah, well, that's the thing like One of those uh, harry potter uh plants that scream when you pull them out of the plant bot. Oh, um screaming memies or They're kind of harry they kind of Well, you know, it's there's like so many foods that I used to try to pawn off on nine chinese people and they wouldn't eat It's like that's chrys It's like you have even tasted it yet. Just don't look at it and then put it I had a dog tongue in china. That was bad Canine's But I do eat cow tongues I love cow tongue language. Great language be sought out. Mmm. I usually get it in a burrito or taco But I'm always worried about but see I used to be worried about cholesterol because it's high in cholesterol Then I realized it's you know, you don't click cholesterol that way. Yeah So I gotta find me that taco truck again mandrake, thank you anonymous chat person mandrake was the uh, the name of the little Sorry screaming me me an actual plant No, I don't think it's a plant I think it's just a like a nickname kind of it's for some girl in high school that screamed a lot She's another screaming me me Maybe it was a video game rpga played where one of the one of the monsters you fight is called the screaming memes and they're just like these Violets that are angry salt licorice here you go Oh Gustaf's double salt like licorice So it's just licorice but salty. Yeah, you know, it's black licorice and you don't like black licorice anymore, right? I already don't like that period but then making it all salty and hard Because I love licorice You like black licorice? Yeah So you guys are weird black licorice reminds me of uza. So I don't like you. Well, yeah, it's all that's all of us Yeah It's a job. Oh, I get it roger Do you Actually, I the only the only I don't even like I don't like twizzlers and I don't like red vines Oh I only like you know our paths diverge because I love red vines and I like twizzers a lot I don't consider those licorice To me those are just candy and I I like them I like what I'm supposed to like though. I like the purple licorice And the orange pink. I believe we are a red vines house This was this was made very clear to me at one point that This is the version that we don't do one we do the other and I didn't I remember it having both growing up So I didn't have a preference to me was like, oh, it's like, you know They're just two different brands of the same thing. They'd taste the same to me, which is oh, they don't taste the same to me Like twizzlers or red vines tastes Tastes plasticky one of them tastes really plasticky to me and I won't eat them. Like I just think they're nasty But you don't remember which one no because I generally don't like eat I only like purple licorice or The grape or the the grape the grape or the the peach the rare purple licorice It's not that rare. I used to get it at shawls. I scroll down. They have they have a dr. Pepper flavored twizzler That's amazing. Really? Yeah, I love that I used to like dr. Pepper flavored bottle caps. You remember bottle caps candy? I didn't I didn't realize that there's grapevine twists grape places grape apes Grapeade the first time I ever went to a conference of any kind Was the international food technologist conference in st. Louis, Missouri My dad went to it every year because it was his ces the ift conference. He always talked about it and Uh, so when it came to st. Louis because it would move around to different places every year When it came to st. Louis, he took me one day. He's like, I'm gonna take you to ift I'll get you a badge get you in and what you did and you know as we know in conferences They give out samples of things. Sure. Uh, so I got free samples of all of this candy Oh, wow And it's like conferences are the best they ever Uh, and the one that I remember particularly was the first it was the first time They had made a dr. Pepper flavor of bottle caps candy I would eat that It was good. I would eat that now I don't know why i'm so into it, but I love it You're into dr. Pepper, huh? Yeah, I like that. Do you like that mr. Pib? Uh, it's okay. I like dr. Thunder too. I just Dr. Thunder Yeah, it's mr. Pib. I always forget like mr. Pib went away for a while and then it came back Is it even still around? Yeah, you can get it at uh taco del taco I think has it Yeah, so they still make pib but the uh dr. Thunder I think is the The walmart brand of dr. Pepper It's pretty Sam's club brand. It's indistinguishable. I think it's pretty good and it's cheap But i'm trying not to drink a lot of pop so Interesting soda whatever people are calling it So some people just call it coke I call it gut juice I It's weird like I've got so used I'm so used to watering down beverages now because I like it less sweet So like if I like the ancient greeks with their wine Well, I like like if you go to the so and find I load up all the ice and then I only put it half filled with soda And let it kind of melt I know it sounds nasty to a lot of people but It's just so sweet like soda today is too sweet. It hurts my teeth Man, there's a place in pasadena called uh burger and pie Oh, I think I've driven by there. They make burgers and pie Homemade everything the burgers are good the burgers are solid But you go there for the pie because the pie is homemade and delicious and it pairs perfectly with the burgers And then they do they do mixed fountain drinks Okay So you order a diet coke coke and I think they might have sprite. I can't remember But it's all hand mixed The old-fashioned way Uh, and it's it's not yeah because it's not as as sugary Now is it so then they just add soda water. So it's sort of like the way they do italian sodas. Yeah Yeah, but there's more to it. It's not with italian sodas They just take the big long spoon and they they kind of stir it right There's there's something they do with a machine that mixes it and I don't know what it is Fill it with corn syrup I can tell the difference when I eat regular sugar now over over corn syrup. It's just Bill is crappy But corn syrup they use corn syrup a lot not just because it's cheaper But because it spreads evenly a lot easier than if you tried to mix like sugar sugar powdered sugar We started getting like, um Maple syrup that's that has real sugar instead of corn syrup so much better It's like a night and day for me Same with like if I get one of those coke Mexican coax or whatever versus a US it's just like it I drink it's like I drank something totally different I don't feel like a piece of garbage when I'm done Well, I don't know if this has happened yet, but apparently they were going to start making the mexican coke with corn syrup So they decided to continue to make a small amount with sugar That they would then export to the only be available in the united states because it sells well here as Exactly. It's so funny to me That snake is eating itself But it's like, um, uh, there's a new kind of What's that new Pepsi 1893 and it's oh, but isn't that booze or no? Oh, no If it is I've been doing something very illegal with my children I just see those ads and I'm always scratching my head. So like like is it booze or it's just really like old Old recipe pepsi. It's old recipe pepsi, but it's good Oh, I could drink it now And it's real sugar, which is part I like I think All right, folks, uh, I'm gonna take us out. We're published and everything. Thanks for watching We'll see you later