 So, I want to get the conversation going and then I'm going to bring in some input from the floor as soon as we can. I want to just first put a question to Ebek Dorch Tsakyagin, because you look at this from outside of the European Union, Mongolia has a special geographical and political location in this discussion. I want to ask you first about not the future, but where we are right now regarding the West and this war. The West's leaders failed to anticipate and prevent this war, Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February of 2022. How much has that in itself damaged the West and its standing in the world? I think this war is not between the West and the South, I mean between the global West and the global South. I think this war is actually a long fought war between autocracy and democracy. That's a pretty popular view actually. Personally, when I was in office, I was very closely working with Putin and I think I really regret that Putin started this war. I think one of the main reasons if that free Ukraine, if that democratic Ukraine, if that Ukraine with Europe integrated with Europe, if Ukraine became more successful, it would be that successful Ukraine would be a bad example for Russia, for his rule. I think because of that, Putin started this war to punish. And my country actually since 1990, between Russia and China, circled by Russia and China, only democracy, only surviving 33 years, democracy there, means that between us there is only one country, free democratic Ukraine, free democratic Mongolia. In terms of that, I think this war has global implication. If we lose, I think we means the free world lose in Ukraine, those autocrats will be encouraged. If Ukraine prevails, free world prevails, I think those autocrats will be discouraged. Even in Russia, even in Asia, even in Latin America, even in Africa, because of that this war has really big global implication. Of course, this war has original implication that European and all we are talking about and we call Ukraine is a gate to the Europe. I think Europe as a originally structure and continent, they don't want to keep their enemy inside their gate. I think that enemy should be outside of gate. I think because of that, Ukraine also fighting for that. And I think since the start of this war, actually world community was very supporting Ukrainian cause and also blaming Russian aggression. And we all know that at United Nations, 141 nations actually blamed Russian aggression. Only five countries, including Russia, they supported it. Only five. I think it's still this kind of support, hard solid. But there are some cracks. And because of that, I started that Ukraine has brilliant diplomacy and they have to do more. And also I have, for the Ukraine, I have one idea that Ukraine should be more engaging, less reactionary. And also more engaging in what sense? Yeah, more engaging with all over the world, with the old countries. You know, they have to rally, they have to push for the new diplomacy. Yesterday we heard the foreign minister, I think his answer was brilliant. And question was, of course, brilliant questions and his answer was really good. And Ukrainians are feeling that something is changing there. Even in Europe there are some countries. And because of that, I think Ukraine needs more, more engaging. Also Ukraine should be more graceful. Also Ukraine should be more thankful to the world community, even including the global south. Okay, thank you. I'm going to bring in some, if you have any questions, start thinking about raising your hand. I'm just going to put one, our critical question, basically our headline question, to the panel before we bring in that from the audience. And give each of you a quick, quick opportunity to respond to this. And that is, you know, the West, the West. We talked about, we even defined it at the beginning of this program. What about how this war is, in the way that it's being prosecuted, in the way the support that it's being, getting, the Ukraine has been getting from Europe and the rest of the world in the United States, above all. How is this war affecting the West's status? Okay, I have to disagree on, first, the way you are framing the debate and to disagree respectfully with our Mongolian friends, for the following reason. I think that it would be a terrible mistake to frame the conflict in Ukraine in terms of the Western world against the rest of the world. It's a terrible mistake. It's a terrible mistake. And the high representative, I'm very proud to work with him, is doing his best not to frame the problem in those terms. Why? Because the crux of the matter is the respect of territorial integrity of an independent state, which independence had been recognized by the United Nations and by a large number of big powers, including Russia. So you start saying that only democratic states are liable for that is a terrible mistake. All attempts aiming at putting the West on one side and the rest of the world are doomed to failure. And this is one of the worst mistakes. So I would never ever talk in terms of the West against the rest. That's the way some people would like to see us framing the problem. But we are actually, I'm surprised because you are constantly talking about the West. It's in the title. I didn't make it up. I'm referring to Europe. Sorry. I'm introducing a sort of debate. I'm talking about Europe. The less politically speaking, I'm talking politically speaking because in a sense a political actor, the less we frame the problem in terms of the West against the rest, the more we gain support. But because when you are in front of the countries from the global South, I can't tell you the objections they are making on Ukraine. And it is independent from the nature of the government. I mean, we talk to hundreds of governments all over the world, democratic, non-democratic leftists and non-leftists. And virtually, they have the same view. What are their views? They have different views. I'm sure they do. I mean, this is an important debate and important points that you're bringing up the whole question about the global South and how it's perceiving what's going on. And I take your point also on the West. Is it a useful term or not? I'm not one to really say that it's a wonderfully useful term, but I think it's also important to point out that we're not necessarily talking about a binary opposition here, the West and the rest, but rather, as I defined the West just for the purpose of our conversation at the beginning, a group of mainly liberal democracies who hold the principles of a rules-based international order, which includes territorial integrity as being very sacrosanct. Anyway, there's that part, and we can define it as in terms of autocracy and democracy, as that sort of conflict. But the point I think we're trying to look at here is, whatever you want to call those countries that Ukraine and those countries supporting it represent, whether you want to call them, I don't know. Y'all let you use whatever term you wish to use on that side. Ukraine's side to use a neutral term. And whatever Russia represents in this terms, as Norbert Lutken described, a threat to the notion of using war as a political instrument, that that idea be coming into conflict. So just to make sure that we're not really setting up a false dichotomy here with the West and the rest in our discussion. I know we have 27 minutes left. I do want to get input from the audience, and I hope perhaps they'll direct some questions to you. Before we do that, Zaki Lady has indicated his, or excuse me, Bogdan Klik has indicated his wish to intervene. I wanted to underline that according to my understanding of this conflict and another, I mean, Hamas aggression against Israel, we can talk and we should talk about the West. Because we are united not only by our similar interests, but we are community of values. And those values are in the basis of our political systems. They are introduced into the Washington Treaty preamble. They were introduced into the Lisbon Treaty Article 2. So they express the unity and cohesion of our community. That's why this war of Russia against Ukraine is also the war against the West. We are, we were threatened by Russian President Vladimir Putin on the eve of the second aggression when ultimatum was presented to NATO. Let's not forget about that because it was in effect the attempt to reverse the history of recent 20 years. Secondly, we shouldn't divide, let's say, the involvement of the United States from the involvement of the European partners. Because the basis for this coherent reaction of the West after the 24th of February 2022 was the meeting by President Biden with European partners in June 2021 when he visited the first time Europe with this message, America is back. So it was the, let's say, reconstruction of the cohesion of NATO, the role of the United States in Europe as a major provider of security to European partners. And thirdly, the cooperation with the European Union by the United States that was not at this level before. United States in June 2021 recognized European Union as an indispensable partner for the security issues, not only security, but many security issues. So those three factors should be taken into consideration because they were, let's say, undermined by President Putin's aggression against Ukraine. And very briefly, Ukrainians are also dying for Western democratic liberal values. They decided in 2013, belong to this community of values. And it was the beginning of their problems with huge problems with Russian Federation. Let's not forget about that, that Ukraine fights also for a democratic set of values. Yeah. Thank you very much. I want to bring in Norbert. OK, OK, OK, great. All right, because I would have brought you in here with a question. Anyway. Yeah.