 Welcome back to the breakfast on Plos CV Africa. Now there's been talks about a third force ahead of the 2023 general elections in Nigeria. And if there will be a political party or groups of political parties strong enough to provide a veritable opposition to the all progressives Congress and the people's democratic party. When I've been joined by the former special advisor to River State to discuss this. he is Mr Upon Abort in Cwtaria. Fy enw'r fawr, roeddion i gwnaeth nesaf. Roeddiwch. Fel y byddwn yn cyflwyno gafesol iddo. Fwy yn cyflwyno gafesol iddo. Roedd gennym – rwy'n gwneud cyflwyno gafesol iddo. Fe wnaeth y bydd wedi eu gwybod byddwn yn gyflwyno gafesol iddo. Roedd drwy'n gwneud llawd yn cyflwyno gafesol iddo. Roedd gwrs neu roedd yn gwneud diolch. A mi weld mae'n rai fagrwyno'n gwneud eich mwyaf. when just opposed with that of the APC receiving the 2015 elections. So to that very excitement I'll tell you yes PDP has a very much a chosen with this side and that we can do this obligation as the major opposition party in the country. I agree with it but I disagree with it a whole lot of other things. So which of the things do you disagree with? The interacting in the PDP is accusing, so-fine in the PDP. Felly, rhaid i ddweud yw'r hunig magefair y rhynghdon a'r hyrach rhaid i'r hynod. Diolch o hollu rhywbeth a'r honno'n gwneudio ar y cyfnod o ffataith mael yma, yna sy'n gwneud achos digon yma, mewn cyffredinol yn gyfan cerddurdol, ac yn cyfrosio mewn megalomenniau, yn wych mor hwnnw. Felly darllen y haf, phroeson yn ateblygiadfeyd. Dwi'n samdwch i'r byddai atiwyr o bwyty, y gynllun, yn lluniau, y findu arno yn gweithio ar y ffath. Felly, mae'r ddim ar gyfer dd fakeylau dromfygau ffordd yn jelyis. Mae'r ddf fakeylau dromfygau ffordd yn jelysydd. So'r ddfaith, ellai clyweddol yn chyfgawr, yn ffathau a'r ddweud yn ddweud y ddweud. Mae'r ddweud yw'r ddweud, dwi'n gweithio gydag ychydig ein ddweud. gyda'r rhan o'r hyn yn bain o'r fagorol am y bain i'r fagorol. Rwyf wedi bod nhw'n gael ymdweud o'r tawch o'r argyfwyr, sydd yn gallu'n gweithio'r apun sydd yn bain o'r gweithio'r fagorol. Rydyn ni'n golygu y ddweud o'r fagorol, a hynny yw'n gweithio'n gwneud â'r fagorol, byddai'r pwysig ynddangos yn fwyaf o'r pwysig, byddai'n bwysig o ddweudio'r pwysig o'r pwysig o'r pwysig 23. Felly, ddraen oня, mae'n rhaid i gael y pwnnwig yn ddweud y dystynu yn y cyfrifiadau y Llywodraeth Cymru a mae hynny yn mynd i ddweud, cyhoedd yw'n ddweud y mawr ac yn oed yn oed yn cael ei bod yn y ddweud. Felly mae'n rhaid i'r cyfrifiadau yn y cyfrifiadau a mae'n ddweud i'r cyfrifiadau. Ond mae'r ddweud yn y cyfrifiadau yn y cyfrifiadau. Rwy'n ddweud y mawr i ddweud eich cyfrifiadau yn y cyfrifiadau. Ond mae'n meddwl cwlaodi a'r gwawg plebbyn yn sgwrs peolio fel gyda'r ystod, i wybodr hynny, ond mae'n fregynwyr yn ddodd i'n ffordd deddiadiau. Dwi'n ymddoryn i'n ddodd i fynd i ddwyno'r cynnig o gymrydol oys. Mae ffathau, mae'n eich mewn gwirioneddau bydd yn ynion o'n ei ddweud. Ond mae'r gwirioneddau bydd o'n ei ddwyno a ffathau o'n gofynu am yr unwylo i gyfwyno? sydd wedi bod yn ymdillodd yn y lleiwyr cyffredinol, y ddweud yn rhan o'r ddweud? Mae yw'r cyffredinol yn ystafell ar gyfer y rhan o'r cyffredinol, a mae yn gyffredinol ar gyfer cyffredinol, ac mae'n ddechrau ni'n gweithio'r cyffredinol. Yn gweithio'r cyffredinol, ddweud yn sefydliad a'r cyffredinol, yn y ddweud yn ysgrifennu, mae'n gyffredinol yn cyffredinol, yn y cyffredinol ydw i'n gweithio yma, a dwi'n ddweud y ddweud y gymhoffi yng Ngondroeddais yn Ym twice y Llyfrn. On wnaeth yr unrhyw o'r ddweud? Yma, ond y ddweud y dyma i hefyd yn y cyfnodd mor fwn yn 22. I fodwch bod ni'n ddiweddoli'r reliant o'r fflinigol o'r erbyn mewn cynnwys. Ymwaith sy'n athgeld am gyfnodd arall, le neud y dyma ymy'n ei ffordd? Rwy'n gofio ar gweithio gyda'r cyfnod. Rwy'n gweithio ar gweithio ar gyfer y gwybodaeth y PDP yn lle i gweithio'r ddweud. Rydw i'n gweld mae'r newydd ar y dyredig yn ddiogelio'r gweithio'r awws, mynd i'n gweld. Rwy'n gweithio ar gweithio'r ddweud. Rwy'n gweithio'r ddweud o'r bydd y posibilitau a'r cyfnod cyffredinol mewn gwirio'n cyfnod. orioedd yn restroom. Mae'r cyflwyd yn dgylch o gyfnodol yn eich unigol a wneud oed. Mae hynny chi'n bod i ei bydd yn ei fod yn y sarannigol. Felly yn ôl i'r newyddog, yn y gefnodol eich gynnwys i nôl i gweithio'r unigol ar gyfer cyd-izadau yn gweithio'r Pwydlus iawn i'r cyflwyddoedd o'r pryd am y fforddio. Mae'n ddyfod ein gwerthu unigol ar gyfer cyfnodol a'n ddaent hynny. Yn gofynno ddatblygu'r gweithio, mae'n ddyfod y gallwn mas rôl i gyd-igol. Yn gwrth y peth yn ymddangos yw'r cyffredin iawn. Iwn o'r hyffredin i'r cyffredin iawn, felly, wysig ychydig i chi'n ddylch yn cael ei dweithio. Felly mae eich bod yn gwyfodol ar y dyfodol! Mae eich bod yn gwyfodol o'r ddweithio, ond mae'r byd yma yn fwyfodol, mae'n gwirionedd, mae'r dweud yn ymddangos cyffredin iawn. Mae'r dweud yn dweud yn dweud yn dweud yn dweud. Mae'n dweud yn dweud, Rwy'n fyw contel i gwybod i De Oandair o 100% o bortholredu a gwybod i dyw. Rwy'n fyw contel i ddych chi o bwysigolwyr ar dw��. Rwy'n fyw contel i ddych chi o bwysigolwyr, oherwydd mae eich Dysgrifesiesiiddion yw oedd a chychwyn yng NgTV. Rwy'n fyw cofio, ac mae hwn o'r ystafell nifer o'r gyfan gorfodd compute o'. Mae'r ddeud yn gyda'r gofnus amserциol ar gefnno i'r gofnus ym Mhwpwysigol, ydw i'n ddigonfriaeth yr iaith a chyfnwch mewn cyd-wyser. Mae hyn o'do'n ddigonfriaeth yr iaith, a'n ddigonfriaeth yr iechyd. Cymru yma chi oedd ei gwaith oherwydd iddo'r ffwg i gyntaf. Bydd yna'ngoffaint cyd-wyser, a'r iaith ond rwyf i'n ddigonfriaeth. Mae'n gobeithio'r meddwl ac mae yna mor hyn o'i dyma yna yma yw'r iechyd. Yna mae'n tro gyllidd i mewn gyf crises. Roeddwn i gweithio i gael ychydig sydd wedi gweithio ar gyfer y dyn nhw, cymdeithasgwm y brif, y cofnodol yn gofyn yn eu, dyfodol yn gofyn yn eu, dyfodol yn gofyn yn eu, mae'r dweud yn gynghori. Ond rydyn ni'n credu i'r ddweud yn y PDP. Rydyn ni'n credu i ddiweddol yn ddechrau, ac mae'n mynd i ddweud i ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud. Honda is y bothersness when it comes to the PDB, because PDB is one party that has been in power. The PDB is one party that has not yet received the resources, both the financial models, financial strengths and the commons in terms of numerical strengths and so on. PDB was a section of a major of the budget given four departments of the present administration. allan yn ffordd i gyflaen. Mae'r ffordd ac i'n ffordd i'n ffordd yn ffordd, oedd mae'r ffordd yn ffordd i gyfo'r前ach, os fawr. Ond y casin ni wedi cyfaenwyd i'r ffordd i'r ffordd i'r dynnu i ddiddorol, am y debygau inni. Ond mae'n aml� i fod yn ddiddorol o'r ffordd o'r ffordd, oedd mae'r ffordd yn angen e'n ddiddorol. ac ydych chi'nhael adael i gwahanol y ffordd o'r infesol. Yn y gallwch yn addysg o'r parti o'r graf o'r twffydd i'r ffordd. Desbyddu pan o'u sizzel o'r defnyddio o'r ffordd i'n gallu gwahanol, ydych chi'n galluί'n ffordd pwysaidd. Yn y gallwch yn ymdill ni, bydd y pwysaidd. Yn y gweithio ar gyfer y ffordd honno, newydd job yn beth amwys. Y Fyrotsw� Fyaf, y gefnodd hon a sgangydig yn yr ..." Dwi'n rheineist libys bugs sylgyniad hisbyd. Felly mae y cyfaceh Maesr 이런 nodi ar gyfer gyfo, cadw'r fforddledig. Y WAVC Erigwlinewx Tyfnod, y cerddewch yn mynd i adeilad Method lawu Aol Tom Peron y Mae Fyrlus N perceived i SDF a sefydlu i'r boll Dont Mwynangor Fyrlus Mwyn Ahote, The Game is what is going on. It really have nothing to do with failure and success of the games of the Unicolor. That is a lie. That can be a complete discussion around What is that? Mae'n ffordd. Mae'n ddweud o'n gliriaeth sydd y mwneddog a'r hyn o'r achosi, y pleth oherwydd o'r cyfieithau oedd a'r lleyddol o'r llysyedd, mae eich cyfieithas Srun? Ebyddo'r anhygoel yw'r anhygoel a'r anhygoel? Yr ystafell yw'r anhygoel yw'r anhygoel yw'r anhygoel e'ch cyfieithaeth i ddych chi? Gwbwysig o gychwynfodd. Ychydig i'r ffartig arwyaf. Roedd yn ein bod yn gweithio'r ddweud o'r ffartig. Dydig i gael'r cychwynfodd ar y cerddur o'r ddweud. Yn ychydig yw'r ddweud yn gweithio'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Fe fathio'r gweithio'r ddweud. Mae'r ddweud yn y dryd yn 1999. Mae'r ddweud yn ychydig o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r gweithio'r ddweud. Mae yna bod yn ddalunio'r ffordd a'r ffordd, a'r ffordd yn meddwl yn ei wneud. A yna'r gweithio'r gwahanol, mae'n ddysgu'r ffrddau'r gweithio, mae'n ddysgu'r ffordd o'r ffordd i'r iawn. Yn ddysgu'r ffordd, mae'n ddysgu'r ffordd i'r gwahanol. A drwy'n ddysgu'r ffordd, mae'n ddysgu'r ffordd i'r wahanol. in the days of the NPM, UPN, and so on. Whenever there are meetings, party meetings, the meetings we are held in party secretaries, and the meetings we are presided over by the party chairmen, Mr President, Mr Governor, work in as any other member, a yn y orbitreisio'r cyffredig yng Nghymru yw'r yma yn y fffwrdd y niferoedd cysylltu yn maen nhw? Yn y pethau amglweddion ddiwrnod, ar y cyfnod llwyddoedd yng nghymru'r cysylltu er rwy'n addysg, y mae'n gydweithio'r ymddiadau perthegydd i y siwr, rydyn ni'n dweithio'r ymddiadau ar cyfnod llwyddoedd enner. Maen nhw'n mynd i allu'r ymddiadau ar y gyfer y tylkothen a'r ffyrdd ympnod. a sicrhau bod ni wedi bod ni wedi cefnodi gyda'r P̴pwscutini. byddwn ni'n cemnghreffau a'u cefnodi gyda'r pwscutini. Mae'r cemion i'r Pwscutini, ac mae gyda'r Pwscutini wedi cefnodi cadw y gallwn. Yr hyn oedd, mae'r goffoniewn ac mae'r lleidiau i gwybodol i'r pwscutini. That is an aberration, and then it's been paid. Miss Dain Cotaria, so what changed? I was very much lost. What then changed amongst his political parties? I just told you, I said I made reference to 1999. You cannot be quick what you don't have. It's not possible. You made reference to, I made reference to 1999, where the responsibility people take away has came from Pakistan politics. I remember a four-time minister who was asked to go buy for the goblership of river state, and he said no, I will not, because I don't want to be involved in all kinds of nonsense. Today he's regretting it. I don't need to mention his name. But because we have this character, people who, the perception of that, the sort of necessary personality disorder, that they believe that these other ones are loose servers, we are the loose laws, whatever we say, must happen. And we must dictate to the parties. And that is the problem with the TVN and ABC. We must dictate to the parties. That is at the result of their background. You being a multi-billionaire, or you being the president of a country, does not mean you are in view with rectitude. Does not mean you are in view with certain politics. What matters is your upbringing. That is crucial. And you cannot be quick to society what you do not have. So the basic problem has to do with lost perception of what politics are. As you tell me, how do you justify where a man, because the governor, a president, a minister will steal up to 50 billionaires? What are you going to do with 50 billionaires? What you should pray for is for God to give you your basics. If today you want to go to London on holidays, God to make it possible for you to go to London, you should not beg to change your children. You should have a hook over your head. If your car is old, you should be able to change your car. What are you going to do with 100 billionaires in your account? All right, Mr Angotari. And that is the problem we are having. Mr Angotari, I want to throw another angle at you. One of the things that has been mentioned is that certain persons have hijacked the PDP. Do you agree with this? And who can you point out, if possible, any of these elements that may have hijacked the PDP on electric powering drums? What is going on is a question of contexting and containing party. I mean, that certain persons have hijacked or are trying to hijack the PDP. I mean, you can't contest that. It's a net go battle. That is what is going on. The government has been accused, not by one person, not by two persons, not by three, not by four, including Muazu Angotari. He has also admitted that he has accused of trying to hijack the PDP. He has also said so. On your sister's teachings and so many more, he has admitted that he has been accused. He did not admit that he has actually hijacked. He said he has been accused of hijacking the party. Now, the issue of the PDP is a conduce. He is also, he says that is a net go battle. He is also saying you cannot discuss not of power, not of office like that. So these are the issues. And you all have the loyalty. You all have the efficient orders. So it becomes a problem. But where I blame those calling for the removal of circumstances, you just have a short period. If you can remember, think back, reflect on what happened to the APC in reverse things. On what happened to the APC in one of the states in the North and South, you will be able to manage the problem. Complete, like I will say, is a function of interaction. And because man cannot not communicate, man is going to it. But resolution is what matters. And that is where wisdom comes. You should be able to know when to seek yourself and when to draw yourself. That is where maturity comes in. You have just one or two moments to do. What is the rush? Because you believe that if it is allowed to stay, it might influence those that will come after him. It might influence. But if he is that bad as you claim, then you should not be able to influence those that will come after him in the next convention. If he is that bad and you are that good as you claim, then you should be used to have the power because you should have the power to go on the bad leadership. You should have the power to go against him. So the whole thing is senseless. Completely senseless. Now it is an ego battle. Just because I have said he has to go, he has to go. You are going to say, no, you don't have the right to tell me I have to go. It is not to come disnarsial in the claim of litigation. In the time of litigation? Also share your thoughts on the idea of a one-party state. If there is no viable or strong enough opposition, and that includes whatever third-party conversations that people might be having, it also includes independent candidates and whatnot. Are there fears of what a one-party state brings? One-party state is akin to dictatorship. It's akin to tyranny. That's just the truth about one-party state. And the current administration's style of leadership obviously needs for any product. Look at the Grayson laws. Look at the issue of Boko Haram. You all know that the president is complacent. And that is because of the interest of the Mr President. I'm very sorry to say this on your own. You all know that he's complacent. What are you going to say about what they call the solicitors that you have removed from office? Do you honestly confirm that the investment falls? That the money that we have released to them we are not used for the very people? Do you have successors confirm this? Do you want that mediocre thing which I'm not sure I'm afraid of? Because of the one-party state? The national assembly, that's what we're talking about one-party state because they have the numerical strength in the national assembly. So even if you go to the PIA, the PIB and the PIA, so we all know the dangers of the one-party state and that is why a lot of people are angry with the PDP. A lot of people are angry. Not because we can't speak but do I have the financial nozzle? Do I have the clouds? So I'm not just talking about a room, a room stick and a broken ceiling but the front is difficult. So a lot of people are confident that not necessarily because of the PDP, not necessarily because the PDP is populated by states. No, but you need a front. And that is what the former national chairman, INF chairman was talking about, the thought force. But the thought force you're talking about, the thought force is being populated but it's merged into a different new party. It will be very difficult to fight the PDP and the APC successfully. The only party that can do that successfully because of the crowd, because of the financial nozzle is the PDP. I don't know what I'm interested in what is going on with the PDP. If we don't do very well, APNP is gone. Because the PDP has the clouds and the financial nozzle has to be enough. Mesa Ingotaria? Why are you talking about the PDP? When we see the level of the factions between the APC and PDP, people have now said that they are both the same parties, both sides, or different sides of the same coin. Don't you see that way? The APC is not populated by people from Spain or from space or from everywhere. The majority of APC members were PDP members or CPC members or what have you. So, when you say that India is one and the same, you cannot be far from the truth. You cannot be far from the truth. And that is why I'm saying it's going to be a difficult task. Even if we have the PDP in power, it's not as if we are going to experience a remarkable change. It depends on the individual, not on the party. And I tell you tomorrow and I'll pass to the Supreme Court gentlemen that said, to me it's fine to them, that said, you vote for the party and not the individuals in Nigeria. It is reasonable, with due respect to the not just the people, it is reasonable because you know even there are you my sister my brother, you know too well that your membership of the party is predicated on who you know and who you love in that party. Not the ideology of that party in Nigeria. So, we are not talking of party. We are talking of leadership. Not just the party because nobody is going by the party manifesto in this country. Nobody, nobody. It means the digital thing. I am the governor of the party I am the president of Nigeria. It is what I like that I will do. But is that how it should be? I will tell you the question at the party. You don't need to tell the party that I am the man to question me. I am the man to question me. It is a yes party. I don't know what the problem is about. It is a yes party. That's why I'm asking Mr Angutara. Is that how it should be? The party will dictate to you what to do. Sorry? You mentioned that people look out for the person, the individual and his own leadership style or personality. So I'm saying is that how it should be? What should the focus be? I'm talking about not necessary that you start. Two more reasons. So I'm saying is that how it should be? Should the focus not be on I mean I'm talking about like what an ideal situation should look like in Nigeria? Should it be about a focus on the person or the political party and their ideologies? I just answered the question. I told you I said first and foremost so that I don't want you to talk about political parties in this country. That is number one. Number two, membership of a party has to do with the individual. The one you look up to the one you believe is going to be your messiah. The one you believe is going to open the doors for you. If that man is in APC and you run to APC if he's in PDC, you run to PDC. Do you understand my question? If you run to PDC it's not simple as that. You don't understand my question. I'm saying we know what it is now. I'm talking about what the ideal should be. Should the ideal be about what you're saying where people follow the one person who they feel is their messiah? Or should it be about the ideology of the political party? The ideal, not what it is at the moment. Ideally it has to do with your conviction which has to be in sync with the ideology of the political party. If, for example, you believe that because the political parties have their manifestions, they have their ideology, they have their constitution, now you pick up, you go through and you believe that what that political party stands for is in tandem with your conviction and your belief. That is it. You go for it without necessarily joining the party because of an individual or a group of individuals. That's why in civilized climes you can be my brother, you can be my sister. We are best of friends. You can be siblings without being best of friends. We are best of friends because you belong to a different political party and I belong to a different political party. And it's not affecting our relationship. That is just a national country. But that is not the case here. Here if you are an advocacy member, if you are seeing discussion with the political member, oh you are removed. It is that bad. But if I don't discuss with the political member how do I move people about this? Intellectual anemia. That is the problem we have. That is why we are where we are today. Because we are not driven by ideology. We are driven by loyalty. We are not loyalty to our government or loyalty to our constitution but loyalty to being the people you are. And that is where we have the problem. So why, what I'm saying in essence is that what we have now is an operation. It's an anomaly. It is not what is going to take in any civilized clime. Alright. Mr O'Pwnabor in Cotaria. Thank you very much for your time and for the conversation we've just had. Thank you. We wish you a great Friday and a beautiful weekend ahead. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Stay with us. We'll go on a short break and when we come back we're talking about the NNPC finally declaring profit after 44 years. We'll be joined by an oil and gas consultant after the short break. Stay with us. Good morning once again.