 Good evening one and all, this is Mr. Anirudh Bhabharadis side, I welcome each one of you on behalf of TEPFA College to this international webinar. I put my sincere gratitude to Ms. Rushan Abbas for accepting our invitation. She has taken some valuable time from her schedule and today's talk will be moderated by Dr. Ramay Longmay, HOD of Department of Political Science. Now I request Dr. Ramay Longmay begin. Thank you sir. Over to you Dr. Longmay. Am I audible in the first place, Dr. Anirudh? Hello. Yes sir. Okay, thank you very much for your introduction of our program today. I would like to say good evening everyone once again and welcome to international webinar on the Uyghurs in crisis forced labour and genocide targeting women. With Ms. Rushan Abbas, founder and executive director of campaign for Uyghurs, I am extremely happy to welcome ma'am to our platform this evening. And before I go on to talk about our honorable speaker this evening, I would like to mention few points about what honorable speakers will be speaking in this session. So first ma'am Rushan Abbas will share on the current dire situation of the Uyghur people including the ways that China's actions constitute genocide. Number two, the program will also cover the returning normalization of slavery in the modern age through Uyghur forced labour. Number three, our honorable speaker will also speak on the Uyghur women and the problems they face under the Chinese regime with the help of her personal experience based on the story of her own sister's abduction by the Chinese regime or authorities. Number four, our speaker will also speak on the complicity or involvement of western countries and businesses. Number five, based on the United Nations Genocide Convention established in 1948, we will be coming to know through our speaker that genocide, the intentional action to destroy a people is usually defined as an ethnic group, national, racial, as a religious group in whole or in part is a serious issue, not only in Xinjiang province in China but also everywhere in the world. Number six, through this discussion all of us participants will have the opportunity to engage personally with the tangible steps that each one of us can take to end this rapidly escalating genocide in Xinjiang province of China as well as other places in the world. With heart full of gratitude, I would like to now talk, mention about our speaker. I have collected six points about our speaker. Let me just take, have the opportunity to mention the six point. About the speaker, Mr. Sen Abast is the founder and executive director of campaign for Uyghurs. She has been an activist since her days at university in East Pakistan where she was one of the organizers of the pro-democratic protests. Since coming to the United States, she has been a tireless advocate for Uyghurs rights. In 2017, she established the campaign for Uyghurs CFU, which was founded to advocate for the human rights and democratic freedoms of Uyghurs and other Turkey people oppressed by the Chinese regime. In 2018, her own sister was abducted by the Chinese regime in retaliation for her activism or campaign movement. Today, Mr. Abast residing in Virginia, United States of America continues to advocate for the release of her sister and also for the freedom of millions of other Uyghurs and is always available for many platforms of universities. And for many groups of people which are considered as a big thing then. So, ma'am, now without further ado, I would like to give the time for your sharing with us these problems, this part of the world we are also hearing. We are also going through some of the news about atrocities, about the control and taking away of the autonomy of the Uyghurs people in Jinjiang province. But never before, like today, we will be hearing directly from you your experiences and then your movement for the people of this Uyghurs in this province. So ma'am, the floor is given to you. Thank you so much, doctor, for that kind introduction and giving me this opportunity to speak about this unprecedented atrocity that the Uyghurs are currently facing. And thank you so much for all the students and the faculties for giving your time at this 5.30 in India right now. Probably it's time for you to finish up and go home. But now you are going to sit here and listen to this really, really sad and unfortunate situation that we're genocide. So I hope that what I'm going to share will enlighten you and beyond just the education. I hope that we will all be inspired to take greater action to end China's genocide against the Uyghur people. This is 21st century and China is conducting genocide and bright daylight against the Uyghurs. And I need your help. I need young people like you to fight for our world's bright future. So my people, the Uyghurs, have lived in Central Asia for over 2,000 years. Now living in a part called Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region by the Chinese government in reality. It is an occupied land and the Xinjiang, the name itself given to us by the Chinese regime, explains the, it means Xinjiang, which is a new territory that is a new territory for China. But just by looking at the name you can tell, but we call it East Turkestan. That is a geographic, symbolic and a historical name as our ancestors established independent country in that name East Turkestan in this century actually. Well, within the last 100 years. I meant the first one was 1933, the second one was 1944. But they both were crashed and they are now Chinese communists, which is kind of controlling since 1949. So since the communist China's occupation in 1949, the government has relentlessly destroyed Uyghur culture, Uyghur religion, Uyghur ethnicity, then Uyghurs have been persecuted under all kinds of different names since the 50s. Back in 1950s they called, you know, nationalists. And then after that, during the great cultural revolution during the 60s, the Uyghurs were persecuted under the label of counter-revolutionaries. And then later was separatists, but following the 911 attacks in the United States. Following the 911 tragedy, the Chinese government rebranded their efforts as war on terror because we are Muslim. It's really easy to use religion and just they outlaw all kind of normal, just a simple normal practice of religion. They called all of them are illegal religious activities. So under that pretext, the Chinese government has conducted basically, you know, it's not like violating the basic rights, basic living rights of the Uyghurs. But now it came to the point that it is an active genocide because there is a concentration camps being built now, holding more than 3 million innocent people that's not being charged. They are just taken there and also just the regular people like you and me, living under the complete surveillance 24-7 being surveillance by the Chinese regime. And when the camp issue came up to the international community, the government has changed their narrative several times. First, at the beginning, they just flatly denied that no, there's no such a thing. There is no any kind of internment that's going on. That doesn't exist. But after the satellite images and the proof came up and when there is, you know, no way that China can deny it, then they said, all those are both reeducation centers. We are trying to reeducate those Uyghurs with, you know, like communist ideologies and we try to make them to become better citizens. And then later, after a few months later, they changed narrative. Again, they call vocational training centers. But when you look at the pictures of those, you know, pictures of those concentration camps, it doesn't explain the guard towers, armed guards, and also, you know, I'm going to show you some pictures and doesn't look like some sort of vocational training, but it reminds you of the Nazi Germany's Holocaust. And also a town called Hopen in the southern East Turkestan. There was one, like a prefecture, one township had purchased like equipment for one camp only, one camp only. Imagine that like over 2000 pepper sprays and the like 1500 handcuffs and the stun guns and the other materials that you use in the prison camps. So what kind of education place or vocational training you're supposed to teach those Uyghurs like job skills so they can get better jobs, you know, that it's just a sickening when you look at those kind of, this is purchase order by the Chinese government, actually. That's what they have purchased. So basically, when the Chinese ambassador to UK recently asked by a BBC reporter, when he was confronted with the video footage of blindfolded Uyghurs being transported by train, that, you know, the images resembles basically a Holocaust, he just sat there and denied, just, you know, just flatly denied. Well, furthermore, you know, when the Chinese government is giving this narrative to the world that, oh, we are just trying to help these Uyghurs get better jobs, they have targeted most of the Uyghur elites like the famous writers, professors, university presidents, scholars, medical doctors, successful business people, and famous actors and the singers, and there are elderly and young children and none of whom need a job. So this is basically a lie when you look at the reality. And the camps, not just the holding millions of people there, but these Uyghurs in the camps also being used as slaves while they are working on production to advance China's economic aggression to the world. The first concentration camp in our homeland was built under a strike hard campaign in 2014, and the size of the camps grown over 500% in the last two years. So according to the news accounts and the government bids for construction and the job announcements, the Chinese government is building crematoriums by those concentration camps. We are Uyghurs, we are Uyghur people are Muslims and we don't practice cremation. So why are they building crematoriums next to the concentration camps for Uyghur people who doesn't practice cremation? So that should create a big screaming from the world community if anybody wants, if anybody cares for what is happening on their watch in 2020, 21st century, history is repeating itself and China is getting away with it. Just a couple months ago, the US Customs and Border Control sees certain tons of human hair that had been produced from Uyghur slaves. Imagine that. I'm not talking about some heavy, you know, like books or metal or something, hair. Certain tons. Imagine that. How many Uyghur lives does that represent? Is this a hair of my sister? It's my sister's hair. It's also in those certain tons that made it over to US as like wigs as a production to sell in US. And yes, you heard me right. My own sister was taken to concentration camps as a retaliation for my activism here in America as an American citizen. I spoke at one of the think tanks here in Washington on September 5th, 2018. And I talked about the conditions of the camps and the dire situation that we were surfacing while outlining disappearance of my husband's entire family. Six days after my speech, my sister just disappeared. She got abducted by the government on the bright daylight. So of course this is a punishment for my activism. So whatever I'm speaking here is very, very personal to me because I am doing this in past two years at the great cause at the freedom of my own sister. So last week marked two years anniversary of my sister's abduction. She is a retired medical doctor. She speaks fluent Chinese. She does not need any kind of vocational training to get a job at the age 58. She retired in early age because of the medical reasons. But now for past two years, we get absolutely no information on her whereabouts or where she's being held. What is her health situation? We have no info. So to think about what this evil regime is doing to my sister and the millions more, those millions of waivers, fuels to my strings to fight even harder. Every time when I think about my sister, when I look at her picture, when I see her face in front of my eyes, I recharge myself to fight harder. We must recognize China's crimes for what they are doing, genocide. So I'm going to explain a little more why I call this genocide. So when I talk about genocide here, think about China is hosting the 2022 Winter Olympics. Basically, China is getting rewarded by hosting Olympic Games while committing genocide with racial motivations, racial targets, the waivers because of their race and religion. The US government and the civil society and the countries around the world, like use yourself, I count on you to do not make this happen. Need to write to International Olympic Committee, take all the steps and actions we can to pressure the international communities and ask them to contact the Olympic Committee. You do not allow China host Olympics because this is not just being a bystander to China's genocide. The Olympic Committee is basically being completed in genocide, supporting the genocide. So basically the dignity of the international community and the principles of the International Olympic Committee are being tested here. While undermining the rule of law and the international norms, China is the last country in the world to fit to carry on the Olympic legacy and to host the International Games. So what is Olympic Games when you look at it? That is the people from around the world coming together from different race, different religion, different culture, coming from all over the world together to celebrate in the name of this game. This is a very prestigious game, but we shouldn't allow a country committing genocide against the waivers because of our race, because of the language we speak, because of the ethnic differences, the ethnic identity we have and because of the religion that we practice. The International Olympic Committee must acknowledge that moving forward with Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics is supporting the genocide. Remember, we have read in the history books that in 1938 Munich Olympics, Adolf Hitler announced the opening of the Olympic Games while he was conducting Holocaust and genocide. Unless if we stop the International Olympic Committee to continue with Beijing 2022 Olympics, we will be sadly going to watch Xi Jinping, the monster that is basically killing millions of people and the conducting genocide is going to announce this Olympic in front of the entire world community on our watch. So during this pandemic that was brought to the world by this totalitarian regime, China's actions to deny, keep quiet, misinform, punish the whistleblowers and create a security crackdown are what made this virus from Wuhan a pandemic, just a epidemic in one city. Now it's global pandemic that we are all facing today. We are watching again hundreds of thousands of people dying because of this. This situation, this pandemic has resulted increased attention on China and their actions to conceal, deceive and bribe in order to avoid any responsibility. However, requests for transparency has been continually mapped with threats and the so-called wolf diplomacy approaches from China. As the Chinese government has continued to wage an intense campaign of disinformation, the Beijing regime has continually focused on the failure of the free democracies to contain the virus rather than their own failures to warn citizens around the world. At present, today, the Chinese government is testing medications and vaccines on workers who have been locked without food and without any help. This is I'm talking about the regular people like you and me because of COVID they were locked down and they are being used as a guinea pigs. Chinese government is testing their vaccines on these people. If those vaccines come up at the cost of millions of Uyghurs, imagine the whole world community is again supporting China's economy by buying those vaccines to save lives. And the China was also using these pandemic times to bring Uyghurs to China proper where the epicenters of those viruses to work as slaves. The Uyghur youth were sent to reopen those factories and because the lockdown, the companies got shut down. So the Uyghur slaves on the 21st century is basically continuing to become victims of China's aggression for the economy and the world domination. Well, with that, the Uyghurs are literally becoming slaves. Many of the companies around the world that many famous names that we know are benefiting from this slavery. The brands as you know as Adidas, Nike, Zera, Gap, Volkswagen, BMW, Calvin Klein and many, many more. After my speech, I'm going to give a PowerPoint presentation and show you all these names. While the West is reeling from the continuing effects of the racial injustice and while they are rightfully addressing these and the international community largely ignoring the literal slavery that continues to produce our clothes on our back and the goods that we use every day. While all this acquiring millions of Han Chinese so-called settlers have been brought to our homeland, East Pakistan, lured with promises of homes, free education, free health care, financial subsidies, preferred treatments for jobs, and the Chinese government is claiming that those Uyghurs are brought to China proper because of the unemployment, because they cannot find jobs, so they can have better jobs in China proper. So basically everything China is telling, China is saying is complete lies. As China continues to aggressively extend its reach across the globe, the rightful inhabitants of East Turkestan have been imprisoned. So that the majority Han Chinese can get away with their any way they want including with our Uyghur women. The Uyghur girls are forced to marry Han Chinese and they cannot refuse such a forced marriage because if they say no, then they are being viewed as the Uyghur Muslim girls didn't want to marry non-Muslim Chinese and she will be viewed as Islamic extremist or radicalized Muslim and will send to concentration camp. Imagine that, you know, something like this is happening in 2020. Something like this is happening in front of everybody's watch here. Basically China started the genocide from the Urumqi massacre in 2009, but when you searched the internet we saw how China twisted the narratives to distort the images of the peaceful demonstration of the Uyghurs while just like they denied the Tiananmen Square massacre. And if you remember what happened in Hong Kong last year, how the peaceful protesters were met with brutal Chinese police. Same thing in Urumqi in 2009 while the international community still calls it the riots, the Urumqi riots. It was not riots by the Uyghurs. It was brutal execution by the Han Chinese police against the Uyghur people. And now is Hong Kong and Tibet and what the Chinese government is doing to southern Mongolia and how many times must the Chinese regime show its true colors to the world before the world community wake up. We have the last opportunity to do so, but unfortunately this last chance at accountability for the Chinese government is quickly sleeping away if we stand still like this because we are still confronted by a mutated world. The entire ethnic group, the entire Uyghur nation is becoming collateral damage for short-term politics and economy. So are we going to take tangible action and stand for its highest ideals for human dignity and freedom when we do need to see some tangible actions against China's crimes? Recent Disney Mulan movie that released its live-action version of Mulan, it seems like a harmless movie, right? But the reality is the true malice is hidden in the details when they thank the beloved Disney, thank the Turpan Security Bureau who is conducting, who is complicit with those concentration camps and yet they hired the movie's star Liu Yifei who made comments supporting China's police in the brutality in Hong Kong, Hong Kong police's brutality against the pro-democracy protesters. So basically even Disney is being complicit. So what is happening here when you look at it? Basically China is buying the compliances of the world community, the compliances of NBA, Hollywood celebrities, compliances of Disney, the UN, the International Organization for Islamic Corporation, the IOC International Olympic Committee, the basically China's blood money bringing this, you know, actions and making a genocide like a general thing, you know, like you can support anybody can support it. So everything what's happening recently in East Turkestan meets the definition of genocide listed in the Convention on the Prevention and the Punishment of the Crime of Genocide signed in 1948 and China is one of the signatories too. The region has hundreds of examples of facts that constitute a genocide. There's five elements like killing members of the group, causing serious bodily mental harm to members of group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions for calculated to bring about its physical destruction in the whole world part and imposing major intent to prevent childbirth. If one of these five facts happens, you can call it genocide. You're supposed to determine the atrocity determination, the genocide determination. But now all five is happening. Why UN is not taking any steps? Not only that, China is invited to be on the UN Security Council panel. Imagine that. Imagine inviting the killer, the murderer to judge its own trial because of China's money, China's blood money, China's second largest donor in United Nations. The UN is basically becoming inactive. China is trying to silence all the international communities, but they cannot silence us. And I would like to know that they cannot silence you as a youth. You are the future of this world. So the history will remember the upstanders, and I trust every one of you will become upstanders. And the history will condemn those who fail to stand for what's right in the face of this evil regime. Do not allow for the threats and the bullies that they are doing. We must act now before the only voice speak, only voice left to speak is one of regret. I'm going to share my screen now to show you some of the visuals, some of the pictures that I just talked here. Can you see my screen? Instruction, we can. Okay, so as you see, this picture is not from the World War II. This picture is not from Nazi's Holocaust. This picture is Uyghur people and Radio Free Asia did a wonderful job basically identifying some of these Uyghurs. There are people, you know, among these faces, the guy sitting here at the front, he's a teacher in high school, and one is the successful businessman, and another one is a shop owner in Hotel. So all these people had lives, had wonderful job, but they are in a concentration camps like that. See those armed guards, see those double-wired fences? So this is the picture from one of the camps. East Turkestan, as I mentioned, the population, the Chinese numbers, Chinese census shows 12 million, but the Uyghur census show over 20 million, as you see where it's located in the heart of Central Asia. And natural resources, one-third of China's natural gas and the oil reserves and 40% of coal reserves comes from our homeland. And the many precious minerals and metals such as uranium and the gold and the jade, and it produces 84% of China's cotton output. So imagine every cotton item that you purchase or everything basically made in China is involved with Uyghur slave laborers. And some of the pictures of current, this is just a regular, everyday lives of the people, look at that. This is like a war zone. And that's some of the pictures from inside of the camps. Look at those pictures, those are people's faces. Those are fathers, husbands, brothers, they have a name, they have jobs, they have families. And those pictures are witnesses actually released from the camps and they are testifying what's happening inside of the camps. They were being released only because either they were married to foreign citizens or they are foreign citizens. None of the Uyghurs, none of the Uyghurs who actually carried Chinese passport or Chinese citizens are being released. And that's my sister and she's missing for two years. And she has two daughters, both live in the United States. And her daughters, even them, they cannot get any information on their mother's whereabouts. So why all this happening? Why China has all of a sudden doing this to Uyghur people? The Chinese Belt and Road Initiative, one belt, one road it's also called, or it's also called as New Silk Road or 21st Grand Strategy. This is Xi Jinping's blueprint for the world domination. Basically, when you look at the map I showed you earlier, this China's New Silk Road plan puts our homeland East Turkestan in epicenter like a gateway. You know, China's gateway to Central Asia, to Africa, to Europe, to Middle East. So everywhere they go with this like the plan for the world domination is starting or going through our homeland. So Belt and Road Initiative covers over 700 projects, four to eight trillion dollars investments. That includes infrastructure, airport, highways, railroads, bridges, seaports and when those people in those countries signing up for Belt and Road Initiative, they thought that they are getting benefit from this because of China's investment. No, China's bringing Chinese workers with the projects. So this is a way of colonizing those countries. So imagine all these countries, all Central Asian states, Pakistan, Afghanistan, all Southeast Asian states, what's going to happen? Just to look at Uyghurs today and imagine the future of those countries. Because China is basically occupying those countries through this Belt and Road Initiative plan. At the end of the game, with all this, there will be one winner and one loser, like all the games. China will be the winner. Whoever naively think that they are benefiting from China's Belt and Road Initiative, they will become China's colonized countries, like colonies, China's colonies, like the East Turkestan, like the Uyghurs. And this is one of the camps picture here. In 2015, there was just a big open land and now the camp being built there is almost as big as the entire town of the Banjing. And the one on the left was watchtowers. And some of the pictures, the one, the picture on the top is 2016 and how fast it grew. And 2018, how they doubled and tripled. What kind of things make your target in China to set you to concentration camps? Having a beard or having a haircut or speaking your native language or refraining somebody from smoking or drinking. Wearing a shirt with Arabic words on it, using WhatsApp if you have a WhatsApp on your phone. Going to mosque and praying, traveling to abroad. Basically, those are the reasons all these innocent people are sent to concentration camps and work as slaves. This is a before and after picture in famous place in Kuchar, Cusin Pass. The one on the left, the place like Times Square in New York. Just imagine, you know, in your country, this most famous place that people come all day, they hang in there. You know, these Uyghur people used to come once sunrise, spend all day there selling whatever the harvest items they have. Or, you know, do their business or chat and have dinner and then go back at their sunset. And look at this on the right, it's hardly anybody right now. What happened to all these people? And the picture on the left is a airport in Kuchar. They have a special dedicated line for human organ transport. But that shows that those camps also using for forced organ harvesting. And the Chinese government is actually advertising in the Muslim countries that they have halal organs. Imagine that, you know, the Uyghur people are Muslims. In Muslim, in our religion, they don't donate body parts. It's against our religion. So where does those halal organs come from? They don't grow on the trees. They are talking about double lungs and hearts and kidneys. As I mentioned, the forced marriage of the Uyghur women, look at these girls' faces. Do they look like that this is the happiest day in their lives? A girl getting married to who she choose to, who she loves. That is what we call it marriage. But if the girl cannot deny who she doesn't want to marry or she cannot choose who she wants to marry, what is that? That is a rape of the Uyghur women in the name of sham marriages. And this is the humiliation the Uyghurs are facing on the streets. If their shirts are a little bit long, that's being viewed as Islamic, illegal Islamic clothing. And if they refuse to get their clothes cut off on the streets, they will send to the concentration camps and being viewed as radicalized Muslim or terrorist suspects. Under the double relative program, those are pictures from the Chinese media itself. 1.1 million Han Chinese officials sent to Uyghur homes to live inside of their houses and to supervise their daily lives. Most of the Uyghur men are sent to concentration camps or the prisons or the forced labor facilities as slaves. Uyghur women are subject to sexual abuse by those Chinese officials because they are sharing beds with them, sleeping in their houses. This is the largest government-sponsored mass rape that Chinese government is conducting. I'm going to play this video for you. This is actually a video clip that was posted all over the social media in China. Those three Chinese men on the left lying with the one Uyghur woman and she has a baby in her arm. So what's going to happen to that woman at night? Imagine that. Anybody with a heart and a soul should not be quiet after watching something like this. Uyghur children, over 500,000 Uyghur children are abducted. Those are the normal Uyghur children's face. Look at them. They are happy. They are satisfied. They have a happy face because they are living with their parents. Look at them now. The one on the right, that is one of the government state-run orphanages. It's like a prison camp. They are forcefully taken from their parents and sent to run orphanages. And they are being brainwashed. They are forsaking their ethnic identity and religion. The end of last year, in December 2019, the Chinese government announced that all these Uyghur people are graduated. We don't have anybody in the camps anymore. Well, nobody heard from their relatives. My husband's entire family is still missing. All these Uyghurs in diaspora, everybody has their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, their relatives. They're still missing. So where are they? Where do they go to when they graduated from the camps if they have graduated? Then, spring this year, Australian Strategy Policy Institute released a report, Uyghurs for sale. Yes, you read that right, Uyghurs for sale on your watch. In the 21st century, the slavery is going on. If you search internet Uyghurs for sale, you will read this report. Look at all these world brand names. 83 Western brands are complicit with using Uyghur slaves in their supply chain, where the Chinese temp companies are selling them per head. Like, you know, there are some ads that we have seen is like 100 Uyghur people and coming with two police officers. This is not something coming from some movies or you are just reading some fiction books. These are the reality. So where is my sister, Dr. Gunshen Abbas? She's not famous. She's not outspoken. She's just a retired medical doctor. So who is benefiting from my sister's slave labor? Which company's supply chain is using my sister? Who's benefiting or profiting from her slave labor? So those are the pictures. As you see, these Uyghur youths have face masks. They are sent to China proper to work as slaves while everybody was sitting at home avoiding going outside with social distancing. Trying to save their lives from this Chinese government's pandemic that they created. I'm going to tell you a little bit about our organization. So we established Campaign for Uyghurs about three years ago at the end of 2017. And our goal is raising awareness and try to educate people, work with grassroots organizations who work with youth like yourself to make a change, to save this world from this totalitarian regime and to defend the freedom and the democracy we all worked so hard for past 100 years, past 50 years. So what you can do, there are some steps I'm going to quickly mention here. Just basically say no to anything that's made in China. And share information what you heard or follow us on social media. Our Campaign for Uyghurs has a website and YouTube. And we are on the Reddit and the Pinterest. If you search for Campaign for Uyghurs, you will find. And in Instagram and Twitter, follow us, share our information. Be the voice for those millions of voiceless, defenseless people. Thank you so much. And I'm here to answer any questions you have. Well, thank you very much, ma'am, for your very insightful and it was really, it was indeed a heart wrenching, first-hand accounts of ill treatment, brutality, torture, sexual abuses and all kinds of discrimination which you put it in one word genocide against the Uyghurs community over there. As I already pointed out at the beginning of a session that someone working for the Uyghurs and knowing the problem is sharing with us today. So I hope just like me, our participants are richly benefited and rich information we are drawing from our sharing by honorable speaker this evening. So now I would like to open up the floor for Q&A session. I think I would like to request their participants to kindly either you put out in the chat box or you can unmute your microphone and then directly put your question in short. So the floor is open for you. And before anyone do that, I just want to inform you that I will be also sharing the feedback link prepared by our cancer college and which will have to be filled up by all the participants in few minutes time. So I will do that up to some time. So let's now go in for the Q&A session. The floor is open up now. Hello ma'am, good evening and I'm very happy to join this seminar myself Vijaya. I have done my doctoral thesis on Uyghurs, ethnicity and nationalism in China. And it is particularly related to Uyghur community of Xinjiang. Even my dissertation is on that. And it's very agonizing to hear your personal account as well as while I am working on my research to going through all the things such a rich, it is rich civilization. And finally China has a nation state. We have to see it here as a nation state, not as a country claiming over the land, claiming people, abducting them. All these committing human rights violations, genocides and finally framing it as terrorism or fundamentalism. So I'm really like, I regret myself during my thesis. I couldn't meet any of the Uyghur scholars or activists. Although I got, ma'am, are you part of World Uyghur Organized Congress or it's an independent one campaign for Uyghurs? Please let me know this. And it's really like you have given a full account of that. And I'm sorry to hear that you are also victim of the China regime. And it is happening all over the world. These human rights violations against the minorities, especially ethnic minorities, religious minorities. It is happening just not, just everyone who is educated, they have to do their turn by, like you said, to give up the things which are produced through forced labor and all. Thank you ma'am. If you have any further more queries, I will just contact you through your mail ID. Thank you ma'am. Thank you so much, Vijaya. Thank you for your effort. We are a campaign for Uyghurs as an independent organization, but we work very closely with the World Uyghur Congress. The president of the World Uyghur Congress is a longtime friend of mine. We started our activism together when we were at the university back in Easterston when we were only 18 years old. So World Uyghur Congress is an umbrella organization, and we do work very closely with them. And if you have any further requests, feel free to contact us on our website, www.campaignholders.org. And also, all the other students and everybody's listening and when you record and they put this session on YouTube, I encourage you to go to our website and on the bottom, on the right-hand side, there is a sign-up place. You can enter your email address and sign up for our mailing list. So we usually send out press releases and any information updates you with current information and affairs. So I encourage all of you to go to our website and sign up for our mailing list and also follow us on social media. Thank you. And thank you, Dara, one of our directors from our organization. Just to put up on the chat, a petition for my sister. My sister's daughter, my niece, Liba, created this petition for my sister. So if you go to change.org and search for Gulshan Abbas or just click on the right-hand side here that there is a link to sign a petition to release my sister. I really appreciate if you could do that. Share that information on your social media, share this petition and send to your friends and colleagues. Thank you. Okay, ma'am. I think I could see one question on the chat box. So can I just read it out for you? Yes, please. According to media reports, the US is considering implementing sanctions against China for the treatment of Uyghurs. Is this a result of the return of Washington to a policy of defense of human rights or is it related to US-China threat confrontations? Would you address to this question? Yes, thank you. Many people are politicizing the Uyghur issue and the genocide. They are trying to use this against the US or US government and they try to say that this is because of the relationship between China and the US and they are using Uyghur issue. No, what you have heard, this is a tragedy. This is a human rights issue. This is not a political issue. So anybody who is doing anything is only because they want to do the right thing. They want to end this evil system and end this genocide and end the concentration camps and the release people like my sister. So please, anybody who has that kind of question about this is some sort of internal, like China and the US problems, do not believe that if anybody tells you that. Because you just saw the pictures, you just listened to how I talk. This is real. This is not just some sort of political issue. The US is standing up for China because I think, I believe, US is strong enough economically so they don't have to worry for what they lose by getting China upset, by speaking against it. So that's why I said for many other countries who are staying silent, they are making the Uyghurs a collateral damage human collateral for their economic benefits with China, not because that they didn't know what's happening. Nobody can claim that ignorance, just like Nazi Germany. Back in 30s, when 1933 Nazi Germany opened the first concentration camps, the world knew what Germany was doing. Germany was announcing to the world what they're going to do with Jewish people. But they continued, they continued to doing business with China, enabling China's economy to murder more people. After 12 years when the Nazi Germany unconditionally surrendered, there were more than 6 million Jewish lives were claimed. For what? Because the world, they turned blind eye. They failed to take action because they only thought of their short-term economy, their own interests. And then later they claimed that they didn't know it because information flow was slow and they didn't know what Nazi Germany was doing. Well, they cannot claim that ignorance anymore. This is information era. You Google Uyghur, you see everything. You search for Uyghur, you read everything. So you cannot, any country cannot claim that ignorance that they did 75 years ago. So if the countries don't take action, like United States taking against China, because they are being selfish, because they are selling their conscience to China's blood money. Thank you so much. That was a great question that I get to say this, that I forgot to mention during my comments. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. The answer was also very great and it was a great answer to that question. As I told you earlier that your testimony today has in fact the power to galvanize all of us and slowly and gradually the entire world. And I strongly believe because as I said that it was a hard-wrenching first-hand information or account on this. And we have an international community to look into it and just want to inform you that we have in the past because history is the witness of the past genocide. We have the Holocaust case. We have the Armenian genocide. We have the Iraqi genocide. We have the Cambodian genocide. And Rwandan genocide and now genocide case in Xinjiang province of China. So I think this is the newest area where we can think of how genocide is repeatedly happening over there. So you have given a good account of that and then I think many of us are learning so much from this session. Now I would like to go to one of my colleagues who is giving solidarity with you and also do the way to face the same atrocities like those of the Uyghurs in China. So can you just kind of repeat answer this? Thank you. Yes. Thank you so much doctor. China started with the Uyghur Muslims and they basically used the religion to conduct genocide. But actually in reality they are not only eradicating the Uyghur people but they are also waging war on Islam. So eventually after the concentration camps and after this brutalities in the Uyghur region against the religion, using the religion and the demolishing the mosques, changing the mosques to entertainment centers or bars and burning the Holy Quran and also not allowing anybody to fast or forcing Uyghurs to eat pork and drink alcohol. But now they are eventually expending that to Uyghur Muslims as well. We are being told and we are seeing the imams getting arrested and also the Uyghur Muslims also facing restriction going to mosques and also the mosques are being demolished in the Hui area as well. Just a few days ago actually I saw one of the bitter winter article and they put like the Arabic writing on the top of the houses or top of the mosque in a Hui area that's being removed now. So eventually it's getting there. China is using what they are doing with the Uyghurs as the testing the water as a pilot program and they are expending to other regions. So my message to Muslim people, Muslim countries and the Muslim leaders, if they don't watch and they don't speak up and they don't defend Islam, don't do it for the Uyghur people but do it for Islam. If they don't speak up and they take action against China, the Uyghurs today will be the future of those Muslim countries as well because China views religion, any religion as a threat to communist atheist ideology. Any kind of original thought or any kind of the power beyond the communist party that we believe, that we believe in Allah or other people call their God in different names, they're all being threat to communist ideology. They're all being threat to communist party. So eventually step by step little by little the Chinese government is going to eliminate them. Thank you so much ma'am for that wonderful response and before we go on to the next question. I would like to just point out one thing because you mentioned one thing that Uyghur case in China is just a testing water sort of thing you were mentioning. So as we all know that Uyghurs is only one of the 56 ethnic minorities in China, present China. So altogether around 56 ethnic minorities groups are in China. So now we also touch upon the Uyghur community also. So we are really like afraid that you know Linus as you have mentioned clearly that you know the fire, you know the case of brutality, the case of that, what do I say? Sort of like concentration, those people who are coming to mainstream to join the mainstream would be put to test. So we are afraid of that and that is also giving us another word. As we have seen Uyghur is only one of the 56 ethnic minorities in China. Now I would like to go to our next question. This question is whether Chinese government policy in Xinjiang against Uyghurs are similar to policies of China towards debate or against Buddhism. So can you just tell us the connection? Just to mention that yes there are 56, China claims to have 56 different ethnic groups in China. They call it minorities and we refuse to accept that word because we are not minorities in our own homeland, we are the majority. But all these 56 different ethnic groups at once they all had their own language and culture and history and their ethnic identity. But when you look at it now it's only Tibetans and the Uyghurs and the Kazakh, 13 ethnic groups in East Turkestan and the Southern Mongolians. It's just a handful of people left with their own ethnic identity or language. Everybody else gets assimilated to Chinese, they speak Chinese, they look like Chinese and they lost everything. They lost their ethnic identity, their language, their culture, their history. They have the name maybe but they became like Chinese. That's what they are trying to do if you have watched the news recent crackdown on the language for the Southern Mongolians. That's how it starts. Where's your language? First your language. That's what they did 20 years ago with our language. Once they take your language away from you then learn by little you lose your ethnic identity. To answer that question about if China is cracking down on the Christians and the Buddhism manager. Yes, absolutely. All this underground Christianity is not something that they can openly practice. Just to avoid international pressure, China may be showing up some set up stage places. Oh yes, we allow them to practice but how practice with communist ideologies? Because China is openly announcing to the world on their media that are rewriting the Bible and the Holy Quran. They make it compatible with Chinese ideologies. How? How in the world Christianity or Bible or Islam or Holy Quran? How can the Bible and the Quran be written and modified to fit a communist atheist ideologies? That's impossible. But openly China is announcing to the world and nobody is saying we're doing anything. You know why? Again it comes down to China's blood money. So the China is setting the next world order. China is ruling and China is undermining the rule of law. China is basically taking away everybody's religious rights. Waging a war on Islam. But where are the Muslims? Where are the international community? Where are the Christianities? Where is Vatican? Where is everybody else? So basically when the perpetrator is China, the perpetrator can lie, perpetrator can bully. So are we all going to just let them get away with this? Over. Yeah. Ma'am, very, very, very good response to our question. Which one of our colleagues Dr. Ani is also putting forward about Christianity in China. So your response perhaps over, you know, as I listen to you, I have noted that, you know, in China there is religious persecution, you know, not only in the case of Uyghurs, community, but also other, you know, religion. So I think our participants are perhaps interested to know about, you know, what is the conditions of Buddhism and what is the condition of Christianity. So your response perhaps, you know, over it very well. So we will end it in five to six minutes time now. I would like to, you know, request other participants to kindly put forward a query when Ma'am is available with us now. And we will try to wrap up, you know, our sessions in 10 minutes time. Right. Quickly, one question came up here by Sir Krishnan. Since the nineties, Uyghurs have had a protector in Turkey than in Pakistan. While the organization of Islamic cooperation is also in this direction. But if I am not mistaken, we are witnessing now to a lack of coordination and reactions, you know, of Muslims, you know, communities or countries in defense of the Uyghurs in China. Why is that happening? Is it in China? Because of China's huge economic power, which is blocking, you know, what do you call a concerted, you know, encounter, you know, from the Muslim communities in supporting the Uyghurs in China. So what is your response to that question? Yes, that's absolutely correct. The organization for Islamic cooperation, when they first heard what is happening to Uyghur people, they released a statement criticizing China in the end of 2018, actually, when the camp issue came up. But right after they released the statement, rightfully, you know, they're supposed to, because I'd say Muslim organizations supposed to protect the Muslim's benefits, you know, defend Islam, defend Muslims. But right after that statement was being released, just a couple of months later, China sent 20 people delegation to Abu Dhabi. And we don't know what kind of deals they offered and how they bought their rights and they got away with what they wanted to get away. Very disappointingly, the organization for Islamic cooperation released a statement, not a release statement, I'm sorry, they passed a resolution. Imagine that something like this never happened. They have never done something like that. They passed a resolution in the spring of 2019 commending the Chinese government to continue what they are doing in these two stunts against the Uyghur people. So basically, China either bullied or bribed or whatever they did, they completely changed the attitude of organization for Islamic cooperation and everything since then they have been quiet. That really disappoints us because in our religion, the hadith, the Islamic Brotherhood states that all Muslims in the world are like the whole body and one part gets, you know, one part gets hurt, the entire body is supposed to react with a fever, but the Uyghur Muslims are being amputated from that body today. Where is the reaction of our Islamic ummah? Again, I think the main reason is because China is spreading false narratives and false propaganda and all Muslim countries and Muslim leaders and the Muslim ummah are becoming victims of China's false narratives because they are saying that we are training these people to get jobs and we are helping with unemployment and the economy and that we are just dealing with radicalized Muslims like everybody else. We are the victim, you know, China is trying to play himself as the victim of Islamic terrorism. So I think, you know, that's what I wanted to believe because I know if Muslim people, my Muslim brothers and sisters and the Muslim majority countries and those leaders in the Islamic world and the organization Islamic Corporation, only if they know the reality, only if they know what is happening, what China is doing, they are not going to leave us alone, I believe in that. So that's why sharing this information is so important, raising awareness on the social media, in the media and that's why I appreciate this session and you're putting this on YouTube because more people know about this, more Muslims learn, I'm sure they will talk to their leaders, I'm sure they will approach their governments, those Muslim majority countries to take action against the enemy of Islam, against the enemy of the Muslims, which is the brutal Chinese government regime. Thank you. Thank you very much, ma'am. We will now take up altogether two questions. One of the questions is being put forward by my student, our student. So it is a very important thing to remember that one of our students is also asking a very important question to you. So I would like to just put before you the two questions, you can kindly take it up these two questions together and after these two questions, if there is no more question, then we'll try to wrap up and I would like to now let you know the questions. The first question is what are the demands of the Uyghurs right now? What are the demands of the Uyghur community in China now? And also what is the Uyghur community really expecting from UN, India and other countries to the problem of the Uyghur community in China? That is the first part. The second part is by our student and he wants to know that all those unique groups in China, living in China, is there any possibility for all of them to come together to forge a, what do you call, a front against the Chinese atrocities so is there any possibility of the minority community of putting a combined force against the Chinese? So these are the two questions that we have for you. Thank you. Well, what do we demand from UN, India and the other countries of the world? Hello ma'am, we couldn't hear you. Yes, I'm going to address all that, yes. So what do we demand from UN or India or other countries? Participants, is it audible to you? I'm sorry? Honey, is it audible? I'm getting, you know, your voice is getting cut off. But yes, I think, yeah, I think the questions are clear. Let me just address it. So what do we want from the UN and the international communities? We want them to uphold the principles and why they are there. What are the base for their existence? They're supposed to protect the nations under immediate danger like the people are facing genocide. The UN and the India and the other countries should speak up and they should take action against China. Cut all kind of, I mean cut any economic relationship with China because buying Chinese goods or dealing with China for the independent countries is supporting genocide. So stop any kind of business activities. The pool, the unplugged the lifeline for China. And what the Uyghur movement wants? Well, we trusted the Chinese government. Our people trusted back home for 71 years. The thinking that the Chinese government, when they came in, they said that we are here to only develop the area and help you to become economically independent than we are going to live. Just like what they are doing in Africa, in the Middle Eastern countries and the Pakistan and all other countries in Central Asia. Oh, we are just helping. We are helping with the Belt and Road Initiative. That's how they came into us. 71 years ago when they occupied, they did not say that we are going to kill all of you. We are going to take your country, take your resources and they eradicate your people. They never say that because this is not a regime that practices with how you and I respect the principles in life. They act with lying, bullying and the undermining. So what they did to us made everybody feel that unless if we gain our own freedom and independence, there is no way that we can continue live like this under China. So yes, we want our freedom and the independence of the East Turkestan. We want to re-establish that independence we had once before. We were an independent country. East Turkestan established two independent republics. So we want to re-establish that. Yes, we do work with all the persecuted ethnic groups together like Tibet and the Southern Mongolians, Hong Kongers and the Taiwanese. On October 1st, the establishment day of the People's Republic of China, we are calling for Action Day, Global Action Day. If you Google Resist China or Global Action Day, you will see this. We are calling all the people in the world Resist China and protest that day. On October 1st, we have a protest organized for more than 100 countries. So please, as the youth, as the university students, join us, protest that day with the hashtag Resist China and the call the international communities to take action against China. So yes, they answered that question. We do work together. So I think there's no more questions. I'm going to just finish up here with saying there was a vow never again after the World War II. Never again means we will never allow another atrocity like what's happening in a Holocaust. But Holocaust is happening on your eyes. The genocide is happening on your watch. So please, take action. And actually, the vow never again follows with actual action. It means nothing. It's just two words. Means nothing, represent nothing. So make that powerful word, powerful promise never again actually effective by taking action and never allow another genocide continue. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hello. Am I audible? Hello, am I audible? I think the connection is getting pretty poor. Okay. Is Dr. Ani here? There's a connectivity issue from my end. I hope. Yeah, I think the connection is getting bad. And they are. Thank you so much for everybody for listening. I really appreciate your support. And I trust that you will not just listen, but you will take action. Thank you. If I go on behalf of the College and all the participants, I would like to thank you for the two speakers. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you very much for your insightful and for your great. The big problem of the, you know, problem of the speakers in China. And the human rights issue is not the right to one community. So we all are very happy that, you know, whenever human rights issues are lost or problem is solved, then we should all join our hands together and fight. Until, you know, we, all human beings fight and identify and like. So not only this is the problem of the Muslim community, but also it is common. All human beings, human groups and communities. So I am praying that, you know, the whole world will join hands together in fighting against violation of human rights. Yeah. Thank you so very much, everyone. Thank you, Dr. Longmei. Yeah. Yes, thank you very much, ma'am. And I wish success in your campaign and we all will also, you know, hope for human rights. Thank you, everyone, for joining with us. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.