 Okay, good morning everyone and welcome to class. Today we'll have Nikhil from which place Nikhil which place? Uttar Pradesh, UP he's going to pray for us. I want to go a little more to the back so I think they can see you back, Pichai, Pichai, Pichai No, we can't see you still. Okay, no worries. You can bend if you want to. Okay, Nikhil is going to lead us in prayer. Thank you Lord. We thank you for this morning's permission. We bow our heads in front of you, Lord, in front of your name, Lord. We pray in the morning, Lord, whatever we are going to learn, Lord, through your pre-gen, Lord, whatever you want to teach, Lord, please teach us from the subject, Lord. Please help us so that the permission can teach us and we can receive it from our life Lord. Lord, I request you to help us so that we can understand those words, those things, Lord. Help us, help us. In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Thank you, Nikhil. So that was Nikhil's student from UP, that's Uttar Pradesh, not India. So our e-learning students are basically from all around the world. So he didn't pray in tongues, but he prayed in Hindi, which is a language spoken mostly in North India. He's more comfortable praying in his own language. So I said, okay, go ahead. Okay, good morning, everyone, and good to see Karen, Shivkumar, Prabhu, Jai Chin, Prince, Samuel, and Nina. I can't see all, but thank you for joining online class. And good to see all our in-person students. Welcome everyone to class. Last week, we began looking at the book, Core of Honor. And for those of you who are in the online class, it's posted on the stream page. In our e-learning students, you can see it on the tab right next to course discussions. You will also find all the three publications, the books that we are studying, in the e-learning platform. We began looking at chapter two. We were looking at family and we basically said this whole book is addressed to pastors, those in ministry. So basically, you might be thinking, okay, this is not relevant for me, but it's also relevant if you're going to be pastors, you're going to be in the ministry soon, you're going to get married, you're not still married. If you're married and then you are doing a secular job, but also involved in ministry, this can help. So just keep your hearts and minds open to receive and to learn and this more practical learning so you can apply this in your everyday life. So we are looking at family and we saw that the three postures that we read in the Bible and we saw that all three postures are important. We also looked at how a man has to nurture his spouse, his children, nurture their relationship with the children as well, work to provide for the family. And we ended last week by looking at how we need to pursue God's call. Yes, family is important, but when it comes to God's call, God's call is more important than family ministry. So it's first God, second is your family, third is your ministry. And that does not mean when you're pursuing God's call does not mean that you compromise your other son, but you also don't compromise your love for God and your obedience to his call. At the same time, you don't compromise your responsibilities towards your own family. Now, most times what happens is the man of the house thinks he only has the call and he's supposed to be the breadwinner, he's supposed to earn for the family. And the wife has to support his calling, whatever God has placed in his life. So the wife has to support the husband in his calling, take care of the family, take care of the children so that the husband is free to do his work. But we fail to understand that even a wife or a spouse has, they have their own calling. God has a vision, a plan and a purpose for your spouse as well. And it's important as it is for the man to fulfill his calling and purpose in life. It's also important that he also is able to see what his wife's calling, his children's calling, what his God's plan and purpose for their life and help them to fulfill that. If you read in Psalm 128 verse 3, it says your wife shall be a fruitful wine. The fruit of the wine basically in the Bible symbolizes joy and pleasure. Page number 41 in the book, sorry. Yeah, in the book page number 41. It's 37 for you all. Okay, I don't know how it's different. So it's 37. Okay, it's 37 then. Okay, minus showing 41 here for me. Okay, so encourage your spouse. Your spouse is a fruitful wine. You know, the fruit of the wine basically stands for joy and pleasure. Okay, so your spouse can be a joy and pleasure for you. If you support your wife, if you are able to see God's calling, vision, plan and purpose for them, nurture your wife in their calling and also encourage them to find their satisfaction, their fulfillment in pursuing God's call for their own life. If your wife is dissatisfied or your spouse is dissatisfied, it will end up in them living unfulfilled lives and you know what happens, right? There will only not be fruit of the wine which is bringing joy and pleasure in the home, but there will be saaness, there will be bitterness and there will only reflect saa grapes. Okay, that is why there's a lot of fighting in families because one partner is unfulfilled in what they are doing. They're frustrated, they're angry because they are not able to do what they want to do. They're not able to fulfill God's call. They're just doing the mundane activities and the mundane things. Okay, so it's nice if a husband and wife, both of them are called the same ministry but at times when a husband is calling to ministry, a wife is not called, but the husband needs to ensure that the wife also fulfills her call and the purpose that God has for her life. Okay, the same way we need to encourage our children, sometimes what happens is when we don't fulfill our own dreams in our own life, we want to see it fulfilled in our children's lives, right? Like many parents, they wanted to become engineers or doctors or teachers or whatever and they're not able to business people, they're not able to do that and so when they have their children, they get them to become engineers or doctors or teachers or fulfill their dreams in their children. Okay, but we need to understand or sometimes if you're a pastor, you've started your own church, you started your own ministry organization, then you want that to run like a business after you. So then you say, okay, I have my two children and I will get them, send them into Bible college, I will send them to Bible school, I train them so that when I'm not there anymore, I'll get old, they can run my business, that becomes a family business, ministry. Okay, but we need to understand that God has not made us as duplicates. Husband and wife don't have children as duplicates. Each one of us are creative, each one of us have different talents, different gifts that God has given to us, different functions in the body of Christ, different abilities, different talents, different potentials that he's given to us. So we need to see what is God's talent and potential that he's given in your children. You need to identify them, you need to help them to build on those talents, guide them, lead them, direct them and mold them to become what God has purposed and planned for their lives. Okay, so if you are a preacher or a missionary, doesn't mean that you have to make your son a pastor or a missionary. Okay, if you're having a business, doesn't mean that you raise up your children to run your business after you, so that all that you work hard will not go futile. But we need to understand that they have their specific calling and we need to nurture them in their own calling. Okay, and also as parents, we need to set an example, a Godly example at hope. You know, sometimes we are preaching to our children, but our children learn more by seeing than just curing. Okay, if you are preaching in the pulpit, if you are teaching in the, in our Bible study groups, whatever, or having life groups at home and they're preaching to people and teaching and our children and our spouse are not able to see that in our own lives, then they're not going to, they will basically hate Christianity. They will be basically hate the ways of God. They will also not come to liking God. So what we need to do is we need to be living examples at home. You know, we can act like angels, we can be very Godly outside, but at home, you know, we can just be the opposite, but it's at home, it's our children and our spouses who are watching us, and if they're not able to see Jesus and whatever we are teaching and preaching to them, they will not follow, they will not, you know, go in that because they will see that, see us as hypocrites, okay? Doing something, saying something and doing something else, or preaching something and doing something else. So we need to set an example in the way that we live before our children, and then you don't even have to teach them some things like honesty and humility and loving people. It'll just automatically follow because they're just learning it by watching you. Okay, don't preach to your spouse and also don't preach to your children. For those of us who are married, don't preach to our parents. Now when we go back home, you know, we think we're coming from Bible college, we know everything so we can preach and teach them how to pray, how to sing, how to lead worship, how to worship God, things that we learn from the Bible, we can, you know, go on and on and on and on, okay? There's a right time when we can use testimonies, we can bring about different things that we learn from different men and women of God, sermons, some points, some Bible verses. We can bring it out at different instances, but not when we are correcting our family people, or not when you're having an argument with your spouse. When you're having an argument with your spouse or children, don't please say, you know what God says in the Bible, it says in Ephesians chapter 2, blah, blah, blah, blah, in Psalms chapter 23, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So this is what you need to do. You know, they'll get irritated. When you're having an argument with your spouse or your children, they'll try to reason with them, try to think with them, try to hear them, try to discuss and come to a conclusion. Please don't use chapter and verse. It's the worst thing to do when you're having an argument, you're trying to discuss something. But, you know, at other times you can, of course, you know, teach them through scripture and verse or through some testimonies, okay? When you're having, when you come to the family, you know, when you're having family time, don't carry what, you know, if you're working in a secular place, what your boss did. You know, some people are like that. They constantly go on and on and on. This is what my boss did. This is what this person did in office. That person did, you know, we go on. Or sometimes, you know, if you have misters, you know, this person came, they shared this problem with me, so sad. They're going through this problem, you know, they lost this loved one. And the children and the wife can get bored, okay? You need to, when you're having family time, when you come back home, leave your office, leave your church, your Christian organization, wherever you're working, just talk to the children, ask them how their day was, you know, hear them. She espoused how her day was, you know, discuss things with them, discuss family things, you know, some things that happen on the way, on the road, you can discuss, you know, children are very excited to share things with their parents and they know that their parents have no time to listen to them. If you don't have time to listen to your children, when you have to tell them something, they won't have time to listen to you, okay? And they will go find their friends in Google. They will go find their friends on Internet. They can get lost. They can get into unwanted sites. They can listen to their friends. And then when you're trying to teach them Christian values, they will not listen to you because you are not having time to listen to them. They'll say, I will listen to my friends. Why? Because their friends have time to listen to them. So you, if you want to instill in them godly values, you need to spend time, listen to them, talk to them in their level, in their understanding what interests them. You need to know parents need to know what interests their children, different children have different interests. You know, so speak about their interests. You know, think about their interests. So what are you doing? You know, you like painting. So I think now you, I can, we can, we go this weekend and get some more books so that you can learn, you know, just not how to paint what somebody else has drawn. Why don't you start drawing? How do I do that? You can show them through Internet, Google, how they can just draw learning tips, videos. So, you know, when you, when your children know that you're interested in what interests them, then when you're trying to teach them precious valuable lessons in life, whether it's moral values or godly values, they will listen to you. Okay. So spend time with your children. You know, even as your ministry goes, you'll be very, very busy. Don't think it's husbands usually think it's the wives responsibility to take care of the children. Okay. To, to teach them, to train them. And, you know, that's why we see that some children have only good relationship with their mothers, not with their fathers because their fathers never had time to spend with them. Okay. So it's important that, you know, we know that God first family second and ministry comes third. Okay. Now do some, you know, getting your children to show your children that you're interested in their lives is not just being at home and taking your laptop or you're preparing for the sermon and you're saying I'm always at home. And when your child is doing something, they're fighting, you just scream. I want notes, noise now. I'm preparing my sermon silence or go out and, you know, go out and play or don't make noise or put off that TV. So sometimes you say, you know, I've always been at home around my children, but you've been there, but you've been busy doing your own things. You're not doing things that interest them. Okay. So it's important that you speak into their lives, look at what they interest them and again, a right to also speak into their lives and right around their hearts. Okay. The next thing is put family first before ministry. We've already spoken about this. The next one is guard your family while ministering to people. Okay. Sometimes, you know, when you're in the ministry, whatever, you know, you're serving a Christian organization or you're a preacher, teacher, a life food leader, a deacon in the church, a pastor, a minister, whoever you are. Then, you know, you're not only you are in the focus, but also your family, your wife and your children are also in the focus. So anything they do, you know, they are pinpointed. So it's, you know, people think that, you know, the pastor's wife should always be available at home to entertain people, always be available to entertain people, give them tea, coffee when they come to their pastor's home, always be with the pastor, take care of the children, be part of the Sunday school, you know, and the children should be like angels. Any mistake, they'll, you know, say your pastor's child and you're doing this, shame on you, blah, blah, blah, blah. So you know, the children learn to tend to think that, okay, when I'm in church, I need to behave like an angel. Okay. But when I'm at home, when I'm in school, I can do whatever I want. I can be myself. And that is why, you know, many pastors children and Christian ministers children, you know, they tend to get out of hand because they're not able to be themselves all the time because they know that people will not accept them. Okay. So we need to just accept, don't put pressure on your children and your spouse to be a certain type to please people, let them be who they are, you know, who God has created them to be. That's why we see many pastors children and ministers children growing up to be very, very rebellious. Okay. So you need to another thing is you need to guard your home. Your home is a place where it's a place only for the husband, wife and the children, not for everybody, not for everybody. Okay. So sometimes the pastor's home can be a constant place of people coming for counseling, for, for meetings, for, you know, different things and the children have no, you know, place to, you know, just to be themselves. They're constantly in their room. They can't move around, you know, because keep quiet. There is a meeting going on. Some days come to meet dad. Some days come here for counseling and they're just bugged. Okay. And they don't want to be at home. Okay. And also when they're doing Christian ministry in terms of having an organization, we need to be very, very careful. I've, I've seen examples of two people who've started these working with youth, the youth and, you know, they open up their homes to all kinds of youth, to drug addicts, alcoholics and all of them. And I remember, you know, working with one Christian organization, you know, where finally that the older daughter of the people who started this organization finally ran away with the drug addicts because their home was open to every kind of people to come in. See, and the parents are so busy ministering. They were not able to oversee their children. And finally what happened, one of the older daughters very sadly ran away with the drug addict. And of course their marriage did not end well. It was a very sad state. Another case where, you know, a couple were into youth ministry relate, you know, ministering to every kind of people. They didn't have enough time for their own children, their own girls. And one of the girls, you know, became an alcoholic and drug addict and became very rebellious against the family. And finally what happened was that couple stopped doing ministry. Okay. So we need to know where to, you know, bring about a division. We can't, you know, office is office, home is home, church is church. Segregate those things. Don't bring people into your home. Guard your family and your children. Okay. And also not only guard your family and your children, but also guard your marriage. You know, a marriage is kind of, if you visualize it as a circle where there is a place only for husband and wife, not the third person. So don't let the third person come into your marriage. Okay. I remember, you know, there's a couple who are going through a marital problem and you know, there was a lady who's very close to this man who works in his office. And she came to this lady and she said, I know, I've seen how he treats you. Just say the names are Ajay and Mina. Okay. Just keeping Ajay. So I know Mina, how Ajay is treating you. So, you know, we both are good friends. Do you want me to speak to Ajay? And Mina immediately jumped up and said, no, thank you. I appreciate your concern, but I don't want you to do that. I will learn to handle, we will learn to handle it and try to resolve things. And you know, why Mina jumped and she said, no, because this is the same thing that happened in her mother's and father's case. Mother and father were having marital problems. There's a third lady who joined in and tried to help them and finally, you know, the father and mother and went away with this lady. So, you know, the marriage is a circle, but only a husband and wife don't allow another person inside. And as a pastor, as a counselor, as a minister of God, you don't get into another person's marriage even though you are counseling them. So all women will counsel only women or men will counsel only men. Even if you're very senior, you have many years of ministry that does not give you a thing, you know, does not give you the opportunity or the privilege or the take to take the step to, you know, to counsel a young woman, you can do that one or two times, but then later on move them to another older person. But if the couple says, no, pastor, we want you to be dead and you to please son, then you have your wife alone. Make sure that, you know, the counseling sessions are both with the husband and wife together. And even if you have to speak separately to them, you're speaking separately to the wife, make sure that your spouse is there also, you're speaking to them. So you need to take all of these steps because, you know, any little thing we can give, you know, a foothold to Satan and you know what he can do if you don't want to destroy the other persons marriage. And so it becomes very, very difficult. And if there is, you know, you are going through problems, all of us go through problems because we are in ministry, we are in Bible college, we are trained in Bible college, we are doing God's work does not mean that we don't go through any problems and issues. We will all face problems and issues. We will all go to marriage ministry. We will also have problems in the way of administration, finances, how to do certain things. At those times, you know, seek help. There's nothing wrong in saying, you know, hey, I need help. I'm having a problem in this area of my life. Seek help. Don't hesitate. Don't let pride come in your way. Don't be fearful. What do people say? Oh, you know, he's a life group leader. He's an elder. He's a pastor. He's a missionary. He's so many years in the ministry. It doesn't matter. Go to somebody who you can trust. Make sure that they are there to help you to resolve things in your life. You know, don't think that, you know, don't put it away thinking, okay, this will just happen. It's just a time span. It's just a season. It will go away. You know, some things don't go away. You know, when things don't go away, what happens? It erupts. When it erupts, it becomes like a volcano. You know, volcanoes, right? It's, it's always active deep down. It's always boiling deep down. And the pressure becomes out of hand. That's when it blows up. Okay. So you need to take things into action. Otherwise it blows up. Then you know what happens when a volcano blows up, right? It destroys so many people around. So it's better to take help before the destruction happens and after the destruction happens. So lay aside all your pride, your fear. Carefully pray and ask God to, you know, to show you who you can lead or go to or be open to the working of the Holy Spirit. You know, it's nothing wrong to get help even as servants of God and even as Bible college students. Even as you're in Bible college now, there are many things in your life, past, present that still needs to be dealt with, you know, deal with it. Don't cover it up. Don't put it under the pillow because later on, you know, it becomes like a baggage. We're carrying it. Later on, it will erupt into something more bigger. So talk it out with people, be open, be, you know, you can be vulnerable, you know, but then get help. It's going to just help you. The last point is, you know, it's good that and God wants us to pass on, you know, his covenant is teaching to generations to generations. If you look at Isaiah chapter 59 verse 21, you know, God says that this is my covenant with them, my spirit is upon you and my words which I put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your descendants, nor from the mouth of your descendants, descendants. So God wants whatever, you know, we have learned to be passed on to our next generation. Okay, so the next generation can build up on the foundation and it's wonderful. You know, if generations that come, they're built up, they're built on the foundations that we have laid, they're growing spiritually, they're walking with God, they're pursuing the heart of God, the vision of God for their lives, they're flowing in the gifts of the spirit. It's all very, very wonderful. It's also wonderful if they have found their own place in ministry, but it does not mean that if you have a church or you have an organization, it's all to be run only by your family, right? That can become very, very disastrous, right? Disasters in the sense that, you know, we can put people in different ministry places and they can, you know, become a disaster because they don't have the calling, they don't have the gifts for it, and we see an example in the Bible itself. Anyone knows? Example in the Bible where the leaders, children, you know, they continue to the same Eli sons, yes? Who else? Eli sons, you know what Eli sons did, right? Eli was a priest and automatically children thought they were also priests, but what were they doing? They were living, you know, immoral lives and also they were not doing what was right when it comes to the offerings, you know, the sacrifices that people made in the temple. Yes, Sean? David's sons, Solomon, okay? Yes, David's sons, we know, we'll come to that example, yes, that's the thing. Even Samuel's son, sons, Samuel's sons as well, so they also went away from the Lord if you look at 1 Samuel chapter 8 verses 1 to 3, okay? Even Samuel's children, okay, the sons of Samuel and the sons of Eli, okay? You already know about the sons? 1 Samuel chapter 8 verses 1 to 3, okay? They also did not keep the ways of the Lord. 1 Samuel chapter 8 verses 1 to 3, 1 Samuel chapter 8 verses 1 to 3, can somebody take the mic and read that loudly? Yes, Nikhil, you want to read? Okay, take the mic please. 1 Samuel chapter 8 verses 1 to 3, when Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as Israel's leaders. The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abidjah and they served at Bidjah with Seba, but his sons did not follow, follow his ways. They turned it aside after dissonance, gain and accepted bribes and pervaded justice. Thank you. So here we see the sons of Samuel did not walk in the ways of the Lord. They turned aside from those ways they took, they were you know taking dishonest gain and out to bribes and pervaded justice, okay? Questions? Questions? No, no, no different. Any questions anyone has? Yes, please give the mic to Sean. Sean, you can just move and ask your question. Can we also include Job and his sons and daughters in the list where he was also type of head when he had all power, he had all wealth, God made him a very wealthy man. But his sons and daughters didn't follow the example that Job said. So can you also briefly does not say that Job's children did not follow Tony says that you know they used to all meet together and party and have a nice party time but the next day he would you know kind of consecrate them and make a sacrifice so that in case they have sinned against God, no God would forgive them. But a good thought. Any questions from our online students as our in-person students are asking questions? Yes. You said God doesn't make duplicates. God doesn't make duplicates. So whatever the father and the child they are different. Each person is created individually or something. Then how it worked like when the Levites has to take their position according to their tribes their works has to be the same. Yes. Good question. How is the Levites they calling? May see the specific they had a specific calling as priests they had to be trained as priests so maybe that is yes they own specific calling but we don't but in our in the New Testament times, yes in the Old Testament there was a special tribe that was just dedicated to being a priest to running the temple, to doing various things in the temple. But in the New Testament we are all called the royal priesthood. We are all priests. So in the sense we all are into doing ministry and we need to get our children with that mindset that each one of us are ministers of God we have a calling but it does not mean that if you are a pastor and you have a calling to be a pastor the children should also automatically become a pastor should also become in the ministry because there are many pastors children who have not got into ministry. They have done well in their various fields but yes they have also you can also be in the business field and yet you know you can win the mountain of business for God you know so wherever we are supposed to be a royal priesthood in that sense we are supposed to bring about God's kingdom reign, presence, rule activity, everything decrees but you know we have our own calling where God wants us to and God wants us to go into the marketplace in the sun. So good question, good thought and I thought of it too. Yeah very good. Anyone else? Questions? Okay, Jehachan says, children do not follow the ways of the Lord in spite of him setting an example how are we as children God we persist in praying for our children with faith in spite of not seeing a true change within them. Okay so we really don't know whether it doesn't say if Samuel and Eli really taught their children because the Bible says if you teach the children in the ways of the Lord when they grow up they will not depart from it they will not go away from it. Okay so that is God's word. You know we always go back to what's word is standard so yes they will not depart from it and also when we inculcate values in them and when we pray you know there are sometimes when we just need to let go and just let the spirit of God work in the lives of the children. So it's the spirit of God who works and trains and teaches them. So we can we can do our best in teaching them in training them in the ways of the Lord getting them to love the Lord not as a ritual you know but you know not as a ritual but a real love for God. So like Paul writes we have a form of godliness but denying its power so maybe what Samuel and Eli's children saw was you know they just saw them their fathers doing the rituals for God they learn those rituals but maybe they did not inculcate them a love for God okay and that is what was even missing with the Israelites right God says you are all bringing all these sacrifices everything but you know your heart is so far away from me you know there's no love for me and that's why God says I will remove my heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh and I will put my spirit will cause you to keep my laws and commandments so it's maybe these people had the love for God but they were not able to translate their love for God to their children all the children learned was this and they had no true relationship and that is why it's important for us that our children to build a true relationship with God okay so that is what we've been saying that when you know when they watch your life for example you're doing what God's word is teaching you you're living it out then your children that becomes a norm for them that becomes a lifestyle for them because they're seeing it at home so sometimes we can be praying for our children but we can be doing time to spend with them you know we are not living ordering our lives the way God wants us to and you know children are able to see I remember the pastor was giving this example once you know somebody asked his son I think so what do you think about your dad ministry and all that he says one thing I know is you know my dad practices what he preaches because even if the sign is the signal sign is orange and it's going to turn red he will just stop he will not go past the red signal so even the small signal thing has pastor observing traffic rules has made such an impact in his son's life it was small that time so children are actually watching the little little things that we do more than what we say and preach to them so if they're seeing the love of God in our lives and what the love of God is translating into then you know they will learn faith they will learn to love God they will depend on God so basically I had I have very God the parents and all what I learned about faith and trusting in God and walking in honesty and integrity is what I have seen in my father's life he was in a key position you know he could have done so many things they can so many bribes and things like that but he was a man of you know deep honesty integrity times when we needed finances but he did not venture into dishonest means and that is what has been instilled in all his four children to the core integrity and honesty because of what we have seen in our parents like they taught us faith they taught us the love of God they taught us what it means to depend on God to trust in to see miracles happen in your life did that help Jechi okay very few students attending class today only seven of them okay any other questions or good questions yes ma'am you told that priorities are God God family and ministry I know a pastor that he he thought sorry he got a vision from God that they are calling but to go to mission trip for 10 days go for a mission to mission for 10 days so on the same time his wife is about to deliver a baby so she is in hospital and the wife parents are Gentiles the wife's parents are Gentiles Gentiles okay so on the delivery on the delivery day somewhat she the day is her last bit of the wife so the day is the the day is the last bit for her wife she was in labour and it is really bad so she wanted to see his husband on the last day but she told like no it's a vision from God for me it's a calling for God for me and their parents got too rude to him and after that she died and it broke up the relationship has got broke up so when we prioritize the things you said like God family and ministry right on that particular situations how we can prioritize things there's a God calling for a mission trip and there's a family issue also okay that's a good thing okay God there is this pastor who's had he's gone on a mission trip okay and God is saying he that God is telling him to go for the mission trip same time it was time for his wife who was pregnant to give birth and sadly she passed away you know while giving birth to the baby right and that was kind of very heart breaking for her parents and it broke the relationship what do you think the pastor should have done so okay Rin you can say voice your opinion nothing wrong go ahead it's God telling you okay you can come visit and go back okay yes you would see to your wife and then join later to the ministry what about the others I think I would do the same people are not going to go everywhere the mission field is going to be really there people are going to be there we can go later on and minister to them but at the time your wife needs you to be there the children need you to be there yes the the tribe the village the people group they are not going to disappear they are not going to be raptured they are going to be there you can go in 2-3 days and minister to them but I think you know God would want you to be there with your wife yes yeah you have to God has given us a mind right that's what it's a mind God told him to go for a mission trip but does he did God say for the mission trip during that labor days is the question to ask God told him to go for the mission trip the mission trip could be before the labor could be after the labor it does not mean that God told him to go for the mission trip then very next day like Abraham right unless he said go the next day the mission trip is there God tells him I wanted to go for a mission trip maybe God is telling him in advance to prepare for the mission trip not that he has to go during his wife's so that time you use common sense yeah as simple as that and it's so sad yeah it's too late God told him to go but did he say go during that time yeah Nina says you have to be with his wife pastor should be there with family at that time yes so my question is did God tell him to go during that labor time for the mission trip he just told him to go for the mission trip it could be even later on prepare for himself right okay good questions anyone else answers might please any more questions from our online students I know we need to get the wireless mic yes yeah it's might be similar to Anand's okay it's related to the calling so if the husband and the wife if they differ in their calling so how should they pursue it good question pastor says in his book I didn't mention it but pastor says in his book that he has a calling to be a pastor he also wanted his wife to help in the ministry and all of that she was doing for certain years but her calling is to be a she was a tree you know study to be a doctor see so for a few years the children grew up and all she was at home not pursuing her her medical field and you know her pursuing her call as a doctor and also helping out in the church office in ministry and all that but once the children grew up then she knew it was a time for her to launch out into doing what she had studied and amazingly she got a call from one of the hospitals in Bangalore ministry and now she's pursuing her calling as a doctor and so pastor says there are times when she gives in to accommodate his his you know time schedule and all of that and the times when he accommodates his time schedule for her so you work it out you're in the same field and it works perfectly well but if you're in different field you know you encourage each other support each other given and allow the other sometimes rework your schedules just to accommodate if your wife has to go for a meeting you stay at home take care of the children like that the wife is busy finishing her report cook or you know pastor cooks or sometimes get food from outside or take the children out for the day out the wife is free to do her things well god calls to god calls one of the spouse to go to a country to minister to one place and the husband has a different call what if the husband has a call to go to a different place to minister different country to minister then he takes the whole family along it's very dangerous to leave your family behind your wife and children and go alone to a new place it's not safe what if it's not the wife's calling and she has a different call the wife's calling is to follow her husband to submit to her husband that's the biblical principle wife submit to your husband out of reverence for Christ okay so we also learned in receiving God's guidance remember God says he will the council that he gives the leader he will also pass it on to the other people in the team you know collective inner witness of the Holy Spirit we learned that remember you need to read your books so you know collective inner witness of the Holy Spirit sometimes I've known husbands who have you know God is giving them a major move and you know the wife he already knows will not be ready the children will not be ready but he spread about it and said God you speak to my spouse and God has spoken you know they're amazed to see how God works if the Spirit of God is speaking to you he can even speak to your spouse right he works together with the family doesn't work individually yes Sean yes suppose if you're like ministering to a lady and you come across this topic about this verse about like why should submit to their husband in this day and age how do you convey that to that lady in this day and age everybody has to submit to everybody else I submit to leadership I submit to the senior pastor what he says even though sometimes I want to do something I submit I submit to my parents even though I'm quite old enough but I stay with them and listen to what they they say we submit to the government you know the you know what rules have the government has bought we submit to the government we submit to civic authorities that's what civil rights and first Peter chapter 2 we read it Paul writes even to Timothy in Romans chapter in Romans chapter 13 Paul writes about the whole thing both chapters dedicated to obeying civic authorities and Paul is saying submit to civic authorities I will submit to the government don't resist the government because they are appointed by God so we're all in different stages of our life submitting so wives have to submit to their husbands their husbands submit to their bosses their husbands submit to their own parents we all have all in submission and that is God has all placed us authority structures authority structures at home authority structures at home in the workplace in the local church in the body fright and even in the the government that we stay having to say wives you need to submit to a husband is biblical because you all submit to different in different areas of our life and that is God's kingdom governmental structure that is placed yes Nina yeah it's it's right that my wife has to submit her husband but now I've seen in general they don't want to submit actually they're like Bible okay Bible it's an old book how do you do that now you know there's always here from all the yes so Nina saying some women don't want to submit their husbands they're saying why the Bible is an old book they don't want to submit well such women are basically being rebellious because they want their husband to submit to them so you can ask them when you don't want to submit you expect your husband to submit to you it's not going to happen you want to you want your children to submit to you it's not going to happen now everything happens in we learnt about positioning right and we position ourselves in the right time the right place we receive the blessings from God so if we are not submitting you know we can't expect people under us also to submit to us no they are thinking like now I have learned I'm also working but some cases okay some cases husbands are treating their wives very badly that also is really bad but otherwise even I'm like equal with you why should I yes that's a good question but you need to show them from the Bible that in the Bible it mentions that in Christ there is no Jew nor Greek male nor female man nor woman okay all are one in Christ Jesus so even in the context of the governmental authoritative structure that God has got about in the kingdom of God where he has got about this authoritative structure authority structure in the home in the local church in the body of Christ in the government yes so the home we husband and wife are equal equal in the sight of God we have equal anointing we all can flow in the gifts of the spirit nothing we have access to the word of God everything is equal but even in that God has placed man as the head and so we need to we need to obey that so even in the local church we are all our ministers of God we are all called a royal priesthood but there is a priest who God is appointed there is a pastor and we are he's the shepherd we are accountable to him we respect him we honour him we obey what he says same also in the government in the government we might be having our own rights and all that but then there is a leadership that is there and we all need to adhere to that leadership even if the government is evil wicked that's what Paul is telling to the church at home the Roman government was extremely wicked and evil but what does Paul write in Romans chapter 13 submit to governing authorities don't resist them so does Paul know what kind of government yes he knows what kind of government but even in that about your deliverance even though God can see you are suffering you are struggling but you do your part don't resist the government you know you submit to them so we are all equal in God's sight but yet we have this authority structure and it also says in the Bible why you submit your husband in reverence to Christ just as husband submits to Christ and Christ as Christ submits to God so even Christ submitted himself to God so that's fine for us to read God's word you know we've been looking at all of these picture passages we've been seeing all of these so we need to interpret them and take them into the truth because the evil one has actually blinded them the truth so we all are equal but yet we have this authority we have to give in to submit to the authority yes there's somebody else had a question we're already yeah it's okay go ahead yeah please take the mic like here is like we are learning family before ministry so when we saw example at Matthew 8 so some God told someone to follow me and he told like I'll read this then another of his disciples said to him Lord let me first go and bury my father but Jesus said to him follow me and let the dead bury their own dead so and the other thing is God is telling if you want to if you want to follow me take your cross so we have to leave everything meaning of that so my question is this so how can we put family before ministry okay good question I've already thought about it you've already read about it you've already done an assignment but doesn't matter we all forget so look at this point in family three postures okay three postures one life there are three examples what you said is one of the examples and other two examples and so which time do we take so if you read that you will understand okay so you read it now and you let me know if you still don't understand I'll explain to you okay okay everyone thank you for joining we've passed five minutes of our time we'll meet up the break thank you