 Jesse, you're currently training for Bobby Patton, but we're going to go back to the start and go to Canada where you grew up. And I believe you didn't grow up in a horse family, correct? That wasn't... Yeah, that's correct. ...your experience. So how did you get started? Well, so my uncle, I guess, had cutting horses, Gary Treseter, and he would come for Christmas and visit, and I remember he brought VHS of, I think, Kathy Dawn winning the Ferturity on Royal Fletch, and I remember watching that, and that was the first time I'd ever seen cutting, and he brought a VHS of the horse he owned, Smart Little Baggins that Jerry Hansma had trained, and I saw that, and I just thought it was the coolest thing ever. And he'd given my mom a horse, so Brian and Cheryl Law, I'd go over there, I got my first job working for them when I was about 10 and cleaning stalls, and I was too small to open the stall doors, so my dad would have to drive me to work on Saturdays to open and shut the stall doors while I cleaned all the stalls, and I remember thinking it was just so cool to have a job. I think they paid me $15 to clean all the stalls, and oh, it was great. It was great, and then I'd sit there. Started going out west when I was about 14 years old for the summers, and my uncle introduced me to Jerry Hansma, and I remember at that last year of high school, I went and worked at Jerry's for the summer, and I was so nervous that he would not hire me full time, because I wanted to be a cutting horse trainer so bad, and Jerry, I remember he was just the coolest person you ever will meet, and I remember working for him, and I tried to do everything like he was doing. If he wore his hat a certain way, I'd try to wear my hat the same. He had a beige hat, so I have a beige hat. I just mimicked him in any way. If he was walking in the snow, I'd try to walk like him, and borderline, creepy, I think is what I was going for, and so I'm working for him that summer, and I'm so nervous that he's not going to hire me full time, and I'm asking him every day. They would kind of coach me on how to approach the girls that worked at the Sobies, which is a Canadian grocery store, and so I go in there every night and try to get a date, and I was just striking out, and I'm just like, holy jeez, what does that guy have to do, and I couldn't get anywhere. And then in the produce section, one night I met a girl named Ruth, and she agreed to go out with me, and so I'm so nervous, and I'm so excited, and I get to the restaurant, and we're having a great deal, and I asked her about working at the grocery store, and she said, oh no, I don't work at the grocery store, I'm a stripper, and so this date's awesome, excellent, you know, and so we're having good conversation, and kind of train my first group of three-year-olds to show at the fraternities up there, and I remember one night I'm walking by the front office, and to get my free complimentary lolly, and the guy that manages the hotel says, Jesse, how much do you think you all spend when you go to those cuttings? Oh shoot, I don't know, about probably 10 grand a weekend, and I don't never win, and he goes, well, just so you know you might want to find a new place to live, because the bank's fixing to own this place. So I packed all my stuff into my 93 Toyota Camry, and like later that week, Jenna Hunt called me, I think we're there three months, I came in October, and after fraternity, we didn't make the semis, and the whole ranch got sacked, and I had, in Canada, you know, we're not really, we don't really worry about who's winning or winning or not, it's all about having fun, and I just, in three months in America, I got the taste that that wasn't, you know, how it was here. So I mean that's really an extraordinary start in the cutting, considering that you had no background, and it was just your enthusiasm and drive that really got you really quickly actually to a place. Andrews. And Ruth, and I'm glad, I'm glad in your story you said you blew your money on entries, not on Ruth. No, I lost Ruth that night. Ruth lost, Eric is gay. Now Eric, you had a totally different entrance into cutting, because you grew up with it, you know, you have that pedigree, really, your father's ascension, your brother's, your sister cuts, you cut. So talk about what it is when that's really been your whole life, like that childhood. From so I mean, an incredible childhood. So much fun. But I actually did was not in love with it as a kid. I was like the last one that wanted to come to the barn. I hung out with my grandmother at the house and like to do all the things she was doing, sewing, like cooking and that sort of stuff. And then just little by little. I didn't know he was here from Canada. I didn't notice him. I think I was in my own world. Yeah, the grocery store again. I don't know. I think I was just too much in my own world. And then, but when we, when I did notice him, I was like, who's this guy? He's and around, you know, some amazing trainers. So what, what have you learned? And then you've had your own career. What have you learned from Erica over that time? Well, you know, it's always most pressure to ride her horse. Because luckily with Alice and with Bobby, I'm their trainer. So I know about her, but, you know, with her, she has a lot of options. So, you know, if I don't act right, you know, it's going to go to her brother or dad or her uncle.