 All ages welcome to the DTNS video stream. I'm Tom Merritt here to welcome you To a wonderland of technology news That looks great Tom, thanks Now to lead Peralta who will illustrate today's up. What if I did the entire show? Oh, that'd be great. You put me to sleep, man Can't do that. Don't do that and boom goes dynamite and boom goes the dynamite Yes, indeed it is a hat Friday ladies and gentlemen Shannon Morse you are sporting a Christmas in July hat. I am a Christmas cat. Thank you very much Glenn Peralta is cosplaying as a 1990s Nintendo hit line Operator, yo, yo And Roger Chang is exercising his right to wear headphones as a hat All right. That's all right. It's his right. Yeah. I've got the old Illinois Are you guys gonna guilt me into this? No way. We're not That was Four of us are wearing hats. I'm Asian. That's all I get what I wear my ethnicity is a hat From the NSA He obviously works for the NSA it's the only way you can get the NSA hat to Defconn. Oh my gosh, can you imagine? You know, they sell these in the lobby when you get to the building Yeah, there usually are a few I'm gonna start cheering that at the Olympics Instead of USA Oh My goodness So we started the video a little earlier to try to give the live viewers a chance to get here in time for the show to start So if you're watching on demand and you're like, well, why aren't you starting the show? That would be why Well, I guess I should tweet it. Oh, yeah, did I not tweet it today? I think I forgot to schedule my tweet Why don't you do you use buffer? I use tweet deck For this normal searching and stuff tweet deck is still best for scheduling. I love it I know that you use tweet deck because there's I think to myself I see I see something that you tweet. I'm like, there's no way Thomas. I've been up right now Like I've seen through you mister like I'm like, it's like five in the morning, man He's not sitting in his little chair. Maybe you are maybe you should actually reply to those and be like, is that really I know I know your secret. I know your secret Tom errant It's up down up down a big respond to this if you're actually awake if this isn't a robot Hello It should be a form form note that says hello filling the name this is not I am not a robot I'm an auto responder. There's a difference. Hello, right? Swamp rat even posted the link on g-plus and Facebook Thank You swamp rat Zoe brings bacon has tweeted it via a like nice bio cow is lamenting that there's no snubs in chat She's on her way gosh nagging Swamp rat cheated it. Yeah, I tweeted it as well didn't cheat it. He cheated it We don't we don't encourage sheets here at the Nintendo power hotline Game genies. We don't even know what those are Man those things sold Are there any RP conferences where you're not allowed to break character like Strictly like listen man this entire conference you're cosplaying you're in character. I'm sure there are you know those people those people that do like the Like back in history historical things. Oh, yeah, oh you mean the the SCA stuff Yeah, society for creative anachronism or or civil I guess Civil War reenactments Mike. Yeah, what's the colonial Williamsburg? Yeah, right exactly Cosplayers will break character if especially if you ask them's like hey, do you want to go to this party tonight and all like up Colonial Williamsburg makes me want like an you know an 80s small town neighborhood We're the 80s a small town neighborhood. Yeah, just a you know like a museum living museum of life in the 1980s You should yeah You should go dressed as like some kid from the 1980s. What is this place? I just got transported here I'm sure no one's ever thought one of these small black rectangles. Everyone's holding Okay, Ms. Morse. Are you ready? Len Perl almost called you Lester for some you can call me Lester. I'm fine with that That was my action. That was my Nintendo power name actually. Oh, that's why Yeah, you remember it. You're more than Peralta. Are you ready? I am and less is ready to I know Roger's not ready because I haven't given him control yet No, and I'm I I've given you control now man Okay Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out how you can help power the show visit dailytechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday July 21st 2017. I'm Tom Merritt Shannon Morse alongside This morning helping you on your drive home or into work or maybe out for a beer I don't know wherever they're going Shannon. We're here for them I don't care where you're going or where you're coming from. I'm happy to bring you some tech news today. Whoo That's a different show Today Megan Maroney Jason how they do a fine job. I don't want to steal their name though No, we are we are definitely happy to bring you some tech news this day Yeah, I'd like brought us here to illustrate as as well Len. We did not throw an abstract concept at you today Yeah, it's it's a I love I love that you did that Hopefully today's drawing you will love That's the best I can hope for that's right because today we're talking warehouse It's amazing We're also talking about robots though and robots robots or it's and this this this topic today will be Near and dear to Shannon's heart because Shannon among your many duties You you are a part of the hack five warehouse team I am I've gone kind of hands off in the past like few years or so because I've been focusing on the show But I'm I'm part of the the first generation of the hack shop So I know all about how warehouse logistics work for a small business and I think I can give a few pointers as far as robotics Yeah, Darren says that you call the human operators of your warehouse robots already. So you're you're probably there the hack shop robot All right, but let's start with a few tech things you should know And he Ruben sent me an email today Shannon Yeah, can you get me an autograph? I'll I'll ask I'll reply it may say no reply the email address though No, I think anyway He sent an email out to everyone saying that the new essential phone is going through certification and testing with multiple US and international carriers So it might be I'm more than one US carrier There is an unlocked device and it will be in my hands right here in a few weeks. He definitely said this to other people Wow, Tom, I'm jealous. You should you know some cool people in the industry, man And he call me we'd like to have you in the show. I'm happy to see this Especially since recently they lost one of their product. I believe one of their product managers So it's really good to see that they're continuing on to get the phone released We've been hearing a ton about the essential phone for a while now and it looks like a good phone But of course looks can be deceiving. They missed their own 30-day deadline So yeah, a couple weeks means a couple weeks, right, right? We'll see On the course of phones Samsung has set out invites for a press event at 11 a.m. Eastern August 23rd in New York City The art on the invite indicates a phone and stylus with the words do bigger things Samsung is likely to announce a new note phone. Yeah, I mean, it's yeah Yeah, it's pretty obvious So and a lot of people were wondering a year ago whether there would ever be another note phone So it's been a while. I like the no phones. I think they do a really good job with those Especially the ones that don't have battery issues. Yeah Really good. Yeah, but I had a note for back in the day several years ago and it was a great phone It was one of my very first Android one. So I'll get an essential you get a note and we'll compare notes to essentials Got it Google told ours Technica that it does have plans for its news feed the one that's on iOS and Android apps to be rolled out on the mobile Website, but it has no plans to do it for the desktop So a lot of us were speculating Guardian I think was the one that even went so far as to say they had a source saying it was gonna happen that they might do They might change the classic white page with the search box. They say no, we have no plans to do that. That's good I like it clean. Yeah same here. I think it's prettier Yesterday Elon Musk said he had quote verbal government approval for an underground hyperloop between DC and New York Today a boring company statement said it has had quote a number of promising Conversations with local state and federal government officials and it expects to get formal approvals to break ground later this year It expects to get formal approvals later this year. I don't know that it will actually break ground later this year But we'll see we need to see some contractual agreements and them to actually start breaking ground. I'm excited though Yeah, that'll be cool. It was a boring company statement Way more boring than Elon's tweets Here's some more top stories Lyft says it believes that by 2021 the majority of its rides will be in autonomous vehicles So Lyft's getting into the game themselves. They've been partnering up until now, but they are opening the level five center It's an engineering facility in Palo Alto, California level five Alluding to the top level of autonomy where the car can drive itself without human intervention They are going to develop software and hardware that can make a car autonomous But work with automotive partners to build the car So Lyft isn't getting getting into the game of building the cars themselves But they are creating research center Lyft intends to continue its partnerships with GM and Waymo and new ton of me and Jaguar so so they They're trying to take the approach they I have commended them myself for taking the approach up till now of Not trying to be the autonomous car company just partnering up with the people like Waymo and new ton of me You know how to do this, but it looks like they see some value in R&Ding some of the parts themselves Yeah, we've been seeing similar things like those similar agreements happen with Intel working with I believe BMW don't quote me on that for example But they've also been doing something where they're working on the R&D and the development for software But they're working with car manufacturers. They're not actually building anything themselves, which is smart because Intel's not a car manufacturer So I feel like they should focus on what they're really good at and let the car manufacturers do what they're good at I can't imagine Lyft would do this if it was going to ruin their relationships with new ton of me and Waymo So my guess is Lyft is looking at this as a way to say hey We as a ride hailing company have some particular insights into how some of this works And then they said in their announcement press conference, they're not gonna do lidar They're not gonna go remake things that are working well, but my guess is they have some ideas of like hey We've got some data that shows some things are kind of you know stuff that we're experts at that We could make and then contribute it back to other partners and if that's what they end up doing I think that's really smart. Well, good on you Lyft a Neo GAF user notice Nintendo filed four graphical trademarks with the European Union intellectual property office on July 18th One of which seems to show a Nintendo 64 controller two of the other filings showed logos Consistent with the icons used on the boxes for the NES and SNES classic editions The fourth filing was for a switch logo companies often file preemptive trademarks with no plans to ship a product Yeah, so that definitely means we're getting a classic switch Yeah They're just doing that to keep their trademarks, you know the same across the board especially in the European Union area But for the SNES NES and then Nintendo 64 logos That's they're talking about the logo on the front of the console right here or on the front of the box On the top of the box. Yeah, yeah, so for the video people I can expect that we'll probably see an into no 64 one But we'll have to see I I'm I would assume it depends on how well the SNES classic goes Yeah, Nintendo 64 would be a little harder to manufacture at the at the simplicity that they did with the NES and SNES And my guess is they're probably going to put the switch logo on the switch box Or maybe on switch accessories or something like that. Yeah So if this is the way I would interpret this if this is Nintendo saying we need to have Unified logos that we put on all these products This means there's something that's going to need a Nintendo 64 logo, right, right? And and the most likely thing would be some kind of throwback Nostalgia box they may not come out with it right away. They just you know preempt to trademark filing, right? But it means they're thinking about the case man the N64 was one of my favorites. Yeah This week several Verizon wireless customers notice that Netflix speed test tool Seemed to show a cap of 10 megabits per second But if you used uclus speed test it did not show that and a lot of people jumped to the conclusion that Verizon was throttling just Netflix. Well, Ars Technica John Brodkin does great work over there called Verizon Got a statement Verizon says that it is in fact testing a new video optimization system And while Verizon says this shouldn't affect the quality of the video It is applying it to all Video services some youtube users claimed they did see some degraded video which went away when they switched to a vpn Which would get them away from Verizon's compression technology now This is a horse of a different color if they're not just Optimizing or throttling depending on how you look at it Netflix if they're taking all video That's similar to what team mobile already does the existing 2015 open internet guidelines Consider such behavior network management for mobile carriers as long as all the sources are treated the same And in fact the compression testing does seem to apply to Verizon's own go 90 video service So as much as a lot of people want to catch Verizon red-handed it seems like this really is Not violating existing open internet guidelines Right. Yeah, when you first read the headline for it, it's like, oh no drama. This is huge. They're throttling everybody on netflix It sounds it sounds very similar to what team mobile does with their video offerings So It's I I would say it's to be expected with a lot of mobile carriers that they would do this kind of thing But personally I wouldn't be happy about it. So I understand why a lot of their users aren't either Yeah, and and and if it wasn't for the netflix tool, they might not have noticed to be honest But thank goodness those tools are out there because even though this isn't necessarily nefarious or rule breaking That's the kind of you want to have those tools that so you can keep an eye and find out what's going on Now if for those of you grumpy saying but I wanted a gotcha moment The one thing you could point to and broad commensins this in the arse tactic article is Verizon did say When they switched to unlimited that they wouldn't be compressing anything They would be delivering everything in exactly the same resolution as it was delivered and this test Would imply that maybe they're reconsidering them. Okay So microsoft cfo amy hood said for the first time microsoft got more revenue from office 365 subscriptions Then from traditional office licensing revenue and cloud services overall was up 15 percent driven by a 97 percent rise and revenue from azure microsoft reported revenue of 23.3 billion with a b Up 13 percent year over year gaming revenue was up 3 percent surface revenue dropped 2 percent But the new surface laptop and surface pro arrived june 15th giving the models little time to affect revenue So it's not that bad of a drop when you consider the product cycle It's also i'm not expecting a surface to have like ridiculous gains in the next quarter but Boy that cloud services Arena is is generating some dollars for a lot of people microsoft Certainly not the least of which I guess it's the time of clouds which isn't surprising because a lot of people are starting to use Multiple devices either a pc and a laptop and a smartphone or maybe just a pc and a smartphone But it is way easier when you're working with cloud as opposed to Just a pc software because then you can access your files in multiple different places and seeing how busy people are these days It's no surprise people are paying for cloud services And that that applies to large companies too enterprise situations Are are switching to cloud in droves because they find cost savings liability savings All kinds of things that just make their lives easier and allow them to be more efficient because they don't have to Roll everything themselves in house now that calculus doesn't always play out. Sometimes it makes sense to roll it in house, but But azure is certainly benefiting as is amazon web services and google as well from from a big trend here, so I mean i want to give sachin nadella credit He's not the only one steve balmer started this but microsoft positioned itself well for the cloud and when nadella took over He really moved them towards that said this this is where the money is going to come from Right trying trying to squeeze, you know money out of windows forever is not going to keep the company profitable and he was right The gaming revenue being up only three percent. That's that's a very low margin of increase But I think that's to be expected too, especially since their new console hasn't come out yet Yeah, and I think honestly at this point with with stony being so strong with the playstation I was a little surprised not to see a drop in gaming revenue there So I would even call that a positive for microsoft all things considered Customers flying delta out of reagan national airport in arlington virginia can now use their fingerprint as a boarding pass You have to be enrolled in clear Which is a service that lets you jump the security line But clear takes your fingerprints and that's how they make sure they know you're a clear subscriber When you try to jump the line, uh, you also have to be enrolled in delta sky miles program But anybody can do that. That's that's cheap. That's nothing clear cost you like 179 bucks a year If you are a member of both the program will let you not only use your fingerprint as a boarding pass But also enter the delta sky club lounge without having to show your ticket or id And a final phase to be added later this summer will let customers use fingerprints to check bags Well, that's cool I've used clear, uh, because I I was able to get one of their coupons for like three months for flip free And then 179 I was like, I ain't gonna pay for that So I just used it for the three months just to try it out. When was that? It was Uh, two years ago, okay, so I'm still on their mailing service. So I still get Do you uh, I I am a clear subscriber still and I used it This year because it hasn't been in all airports But whenever I do see it and it makes sense sometimes you go up there and you're like There's two people in line for for tsa pre. I'm not getting in a clear line Uh, but the thing that always generally happens is people have a hard time getting their fingerprint to read I haven't had that issue, but I've been going through san francisco airport mostly and that's pretty much the I would go through san francisco and I'd have problems. I have fewer problems now Then I used to but the last time I went through san francisco The guy ahead of me in the clear line Was having problems getting this fingerprint to read I think I've done it enough now that I understand. Okay, don't push too hard and all of that But I'm wondering if that's going to slow things down in this delta system You know, I would expect that it would because I I'm assuming that delta is going to be using the same kind of clear fingerprint readers That clear is using no clear is providing the technology for it. Exactly. Yep So yeah, they're probably going to end up with those same issues and then they'll have to deal with You know teaching people and training people on this new technology Uh, and there's also a slight fear factor. Who is holding the keys to your fingerprints? Is it clear or is it delta or is it both? No, I and and honestly if I would hope it's clear I mean and I have concerns about clear being being clear about how they protect your fingerprints as well But yeah, uh, I would I would hope it's clear and it would make sense for it to be clear Because you have to be a clear subscriber for this to work But these things might be running through a delta system since they're being used as a boarding pass And what does that mean for your fingerprint as it wins its way through the network? Right? Oh Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines You can get it as a podcast at daily tech headlines.com If you're like, I actually want to know my amazon echo You can give it as a flash briefing on the amazon echo or feel like no I want it segment by segment in an app download anchor a n c h o r and get it in the anchor app It's all of those things daily tech headlines and that's a look at our top stories Let's talk robots Uh, tecaneja's sumit chakra birdie has a piece up about a company called gray orange It's an indian company that makes warehouse robots co-founded by samay koli and akash gupta They saw a niche when amazon bought kiva systems in 2012 and made kiva systems work only for amazon So they're like, hey, there might be some other folks out here who need some robots And I think one of the most intriguing things about this shannon is they had To develop the software and hardware from scratch themselves Because they were in india and it was difficult to get some of the some of the sensors imported From places so they had great supply chains and all of that But because they did that they hit on a system where they have a central database and a central control system And the robots are all just arms of the system And they find that to be not only more efficient but more scalable So if you're a smaller business you can you can consider actually purchasing this And then having it grow with you rather than with something like kiva where you have to be a big company like amazon to make the money pay out Yeah, absolutely. I think that they're they're thinking long term for lots of different businesses as opposed to amazon who is strictly huge warehouses that are like 50 football fields wide As an example of one of their warehouses so for gray orange They could potentially streamline this across the world and they've already started to in places like japan and india for example so I was reading this article actually and I was thinking wow I wonder if this would work out really well for something like hack five who has a warehouse and we sell products to penetration and infosack security professionals Something like this would streamline the warehouse so much more efficiently and allow us to do You know different things as opposed to packing packages every day Yeah, because this covers sorting storage and retrieval The retrieval robots are called butlers and that's where the machine learning comes in Where again centrally a distributed network so a central database is is doing all the processing but tells the butlers where to go And and that sort of thing is really advancing fast right now There's a lot of progress being made in machine learning One could assume that those are the kinds of things that are only going to get better over time with software updates I would assume so and hopefully those software updates are secure for these robots Yeah, no, we were wondering like it sounds like they use wi-fi To control the robots and that could that could present some some interesting possibilities It could present some major complications for those warehouses if somebody was able to for example Man in the middle or intercept that wireless and I don't know make the robots do something they're not supposed to do Yeah, it would be uh, it would be ironic if a robot that was packing pineapples in the hack five warehouse Was itself hijacked by a pineapple was intercepted by a pineapple. That's all we need. Yeah I think Butler idea is very cool and I can I can see it being very promising especially for smaller businesses Who are looking for ways to streamline all of this? All the deals that they have to deal with in Warehouses, but at the same time they need to grow their business. So they need to find ways to You know enable The robotic work to be taken care of by robots but at the same time be able to train new people to do like customer service or You know bring an inventory or take care of returns like all those little things. I feel like robots aren't going to be able to do Um, but they can definitely do that robotic stuff. Yeah, they can they can free humans up to do what humans are better at Right, which is intuitive stuff and and quickly assessing situations that that aren't necessarily logical The these systems from gray orange can be deployed in three to six months They can start at a small scale like I mentioned and like you said, they're all over the world They have flipkart as a client flipkart is huge in india That is their big main client and getting them early is one of the things that helped this company They also have ninja van in singapore logi in brazil home logistics in osaka And the fascinating part of this article was the beginning where they talked about One of the oldest bazaars in bangalore dates back to the 16th century. It's one of those windy streets bazaars And it's called chick pet one of the companies in the chick pet bazaar Uses the gray orange robots So you see a truck winding through these windy streets it backs up to a loading dock and then there's robots coming in and unloading it And and sorting it and taking it away. That's so cool Now I do wonder how they deal with um, whenever they receive a new product something brand new that they've never sold before I would assume that would have to involve some kind of human interaction So we've got to enter it in the database. I would say Yeah, exactly somebody would put it into the space Give it a new barcode etc etc so that it can accept it and then put it in a new place in the warehouse Yeah, uh But as you say, I mean you your experience has been when you get some kinds of automation It doesn't mean you get rid of people It just makes those people more valuable because they can do more valuable things Yeah, well, I know that there's a lot of debate on that subject and I also know that um the amount of incline for jobs in warehouses has Kind of plateaued in the past few years. It hasn't been inclining as much as he used to and a lot of that is because of automation However, I would see it differently. I would consider Taking the people who have been working in the warehouse In training them for jobs that are more creative that involve more customer service that involve more You know processing and things that the robots wouldn't be able to do because real robots don't Come with creative concepts robots can't come to your manager and say hey I have an idea for a new branch that we could do at our at our company This could potentially bring in more profit, you know, these are things that I'm sure a lot of workers Don't necessarily get the chance to talk about and things that they're really passionate about but you know They're working these these jobs in warehouses I would love to see them have the ability to be able to increase their jobs and their salaries potentially Yeah, and and that's not dead simple to happen You have to work at it to make it happen like you're saying and that's why whenever we bring up this topic of automation We say you need a plan to help the people who need to transition from jobs Make that transition But the real question here shaman Are you going to order? Are you going to make them order these at hack 5? Are you going to get robots in hack 5? I'm going to make Darren order a gray orange robot I would it would be great. I mean we have a Hack shop warehouse robot one of our one of my lady friends. She loves editing I would but you know, she works in the warehouse I would love to give her the transitional ability to be able to edit more and be able to learn the creative aspects of Building out our podcasting a company with hack 5 as opposed to you know, working in the warehouse constantly I would love to see her do more of what she's passionate about So giving people that ability is just something that I'm passionate about. I would love to see that Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com You can also submit stories at facebook.com slash daily tech news show the subreddit has a bunch of cool labels Scotty Rowland's been curating that they link out to things in the sidebar You know things like the patreon and and other related subredits Scotty Rowland just added a section called other cool stuff That includes the link to the documentary about Patrick Beja that I mentioned yesterday So it'll be easy to find even once it drops off of the subreddit So go hang out at the subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them that helps us pick our our show topics But there's all kinds of other cool stuff you can find there as well Let's get to the messages of the day. What's our first one Shannon? All right, this one comes from John. He says hi Tom and crew Just wanted to chime in on a recent experience with the eco B When the eco B4 launched and the integration of alexa was seemingly the only improvement I opted to save some hassle and scored a good deal on the eco B3 instead in our house The thermostat is in the main room, which is also where eco lives No sense spending more for a feature that would need to be turned off. Thanks for everything you do John co-ep and billings Montana. Thank you. John. No, it's a great point that I I think some people forget about is when When a new model comes out a lot of the reaction is like, oh great a new model. I have to upgrade. I can't afford it Yep, John took the argument of like, hey great new model means the old model's cheaper now Yeah, I don't need that feature. That's in the new model. That's that's a great approach We'll probably see the same thing with um, I know the Phillips hue their second generation. I believe it was worked with the The amazon echo while the first generation did not or something similar to that. Yeah. Yeah, so You do run into some of those complications with older generations But um, usually they have it listed especially nowadays because it is a prime factor in getting those items to sell If they work with your smart home, um, you know, central device So just look for like works with amazon echo on a website as you're purchasing something to see if that generation does work We actually got an old nest camera that doesn't have all the new nest camera features But we don't pay for their service anyway. So we yeah Gabor from way too hot budapest writes in dear tom roger shannon and len He knew who was on uh, gabor says I follow the show for some time and enjoy every moment of it I'd like to raise a recent question or two about net neutrality I live in Hungary in europe where mobile bandwidth is fast and furious 4g networking is estimated to be good as 42.6 1 megabits per second on average I as most of my fellow citizens can choose from more than one isp So while listening to the regular updates of this whole net neutrality issue I was pretty Nothing you say you'll have pretty much nothing you say will have an effect on me I just live too far away So I was shocked when I read a highlighted bolded title on my favorite hungarian news site today Absolute net neutrality should be forgotten The article is an interview with the ceo vodafone while reading it. I started to feel uncomfortable Probably the winds of change will blow across europe in a short. Well Slow bandwidth connection because return as these global companies decide to milk the goats in other countries too I wonder how concerned I should be I understand how the one and only option of an isp might affect citizens But could it be bad to have multiple choices in the long run? If miss kovac wants to look at my tiny company's website using vodafone cable service It might load for a longer time despite the fact that I've paid for a fast lane fee for t-mobile because she's not on t-mobile So I might have to pay every single isp to put my website on the fast lanes if I understand this Well, uh, have a lovely weekend. Best regards. Gabor Gabor is is is worried about something that is the opposite of what I have been worried about right Which is I'm worried about competition because I I feel like with competition One of the if you have robust competitions one of the isps will use not having net neutrality As a competitive advantage, right or use having net neutrality. Sorry as a competitive advantage They come to us and and and that'll put pressure on the others not to mess with the traffic But what gabor is saying is what if it goes the other way? and You have one that respects net neutrality But one who does and two or three who doesn't and you're a website owner Then you're going to want to pay for the net neutrality and that might encourage the fourth one to not Uh obey net neutrality anymore Oh man I don't like that whole idea of having to you know As a small business having to pay several different isps for the ability to have a fast lane on the internet No, uh, and and that that is I still think that at least here in the united states. We need to investigate What the internet how the internet should be regulated and stop trying to fit old telecommunications and cable Uh legislation that was written for not the internet. Let's stop trying to retrofit it Let's let's come up with something and and granted we all may disagree right now on what that something should be I'm not I'm not saying we do but let's let's at least come up with something that that respects the way the internet works Which is different than the way telephony and cable works. Yeah, absolutely Uh, hey, thank you shannon morse for joining us Of course, you can find lots of your good works at hack five dot org If you read my column on password managers this week I recommended an episode of tech thing with shannon patrick where they talk about password managers. What else you got going on? Well, thank you for recommending our episode. That's super sweet of you Yeah, um, just this week we got to review a new del xps all in one machine Which was super cool to check out over on tech thing dot com and I got to I got to review this strange smart sleep mask Which I did not know was a thing but it uses a lighting blue and red lights Red to put you to sleep and then blue to wake you up Kind of rendition your body from wake mode to sleep mode and then naturally wake you up in the morning It was interesting And I'll I'll let you watch the review to find out what I thought. Okay. Yeah, I'm curious I want to hear what you thought Uh, so go check that out tech thing te k t h i n g dot com and course hack five dot org Len peralta, what have you been drawing over there? Well, you know, when I saw the video of both kiva and Uh, gray orange I thought what a cute little robot and it brought to mind another cute little robot Uh, of course bb8 who is also gray and orange. Oh my gosh That's I didn't even think of that and so the only thing I could think of is that this is a gray orange love story right like bb8 is falling in love with little Gray orange gray orange bot who loves to shop who loves to shop and actually has stuff like yambo and happy's in the little case They're who how can you not fall in love with a robot that's giving you yambo and happy's Oh, and a little and a little tiny shannon morse doll up at the top She's That's amazing And um, and so yeah, uh, and of course his bb r. It's hard a gray orange heart Is just has just melted and fallen in love silverbladed our chat room says 50 shades of gray I didn't even think that I didn't think about that direction Uh, but yeah, so uh, so yeah, it's hopefully like I said at the top of the show Hopefully people will love this and it's I love this. This is so good You So it's at my store right now lend parol store.com. It's right on the front page You can also get this if you become one of my patrons patreon.com forward slash len And back me at the dts lover level and you'll get this as a high quality print Go check it out lend parol to store.com. Also. Thanks to everybody who backs this show Directly given a little value back for the value they get from the show And including all of the people out there right now at patreon.com slash dts We're our our goal every month is to get one more patron than last month and right now we're trending ahead of that So thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for supporting us Our email addresses feedback at daily tech news show.com. We're live monday through friday for 30 p.m Eastern 2030 utc at alpha geek radio.com and diamond club.tv and our website is daily tech news show.com It's her birthday today, but it won't be monday when she's back on the show. I'm talking about veronica belmont. We'll see you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program Happy birthday veronica Oh, yes, I have to actually log off because I have to go shopping Oh you and uh gray orange Yes, you have to get yes I'm going to go to the supermarket and that little thing's going to pick up everything for me. So All right, man. Well, thanks again. That really really like the art today. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I don't always but this is really good I love it. You know, I just hope it was cute. You know, yeah, it's super cute Excellent. All right guys. Have a nice weekend. Take care. All right. Thanks, man. Bye What do we got for titles roge? You hear me we have 50 shades of or gray orange Give delta the finger delta. Give us the finger It's there. I'm not asking you to pull their finger. Uh self-driving pink mustaches Autonomous mustache rides Orange gray is the new black gray orange ain't no red green. Ha red green Um tom knows cool people tom is bfs with all the cool people Delta going clear Get it Auto lift Comparing same some notes. It's hat friday Orange gray is the new black. I kind of like that one. All right What do you like shannon? Let's see I like Orange gray is the new black Or Yeah, I think I'm gonna stick with that one. Yeah. All right. It's agreed We are of an accord I'd say But I didn't like that book Well, the problem the other problem with picking picking that is that that's that ruins our Our silver blades joke, right because if you see it in the title, you know it's coming Ha ha ha ha Cool. Yeah. Yeah Very nice. Hey, are you guys going to watch the eclipse in august? Yeah, I don't know where from though. We might just be here I just booked a flight to go up to um, portland Oh, yeah, no, I heard portland portland's one of the good places in like missouri Yeah, my family lives in missouri. I would go there But my mom's trying to sell the house so she doesn't have a guest room anymore Oh She sold the guest room already All the furniture is gone I was like, oh, I guess I shouldn't go there. Oh, yes, it should be gray orange is the new black Are those the locations that have like the full total eclipse? Yeah Yeah, portland, um, missouri has the longest total eclipse of anywhere How long is how long like it's like two minutes in something odd seconds. Oh, wow Yeah Portland is a little bit shorter than there closer to like the two minute mark And then the same was south south carolina or wherever the other side is Hi, you bit me during the show. You're brad She's talking to a cat if you're listening to the other Yeah, she bit my elbow. My elbow was leaning off and she bit it Really? Yeah, I think she wanted to See if one of my dogs did that animal's care control would come take him away Oh With cats you just look at them and go, what was that for gosh go away Little brat you're a brat charleston charleston south carolina So in la we'll see a partial I think yeah like It's a partial look like So like uh, it's just a good quality. It's to half a bite Yeah, half a bite Biocale said have to go an hour south of portland. Yes, that's correct Um, I'm flying to portland because that's the closest airport And then my friend got a airbnb and a rental car. Oh, it's fun We're actually going to drive two hours Inland so that we don't run the risk of the cloudy bay Ah Smart. Yeah, so we're going to drive two hours inland and then find a spot for it And I believe he's taking care of that part This is um, I'm bringing the camera and I'm bringing some eclipse classes. I got a filter for my camera I just bought it on emissary. Excellent. Yeah, you're doing it upright. Dude. I'm stoked I saw Fraser Cain who does the universe today podcast is he's doing a whole trip with his with his audience To st. Louis. Cool. Yeah, that sounds awesome. I know Yeah, I'm gonna I'm probably gonna film whatever the heck I get up to while I'm in portland for the eclipse Because I think that'll make for a really good video Especially because it so rarely happens last time. I saw one. I have seen a full eclipse I was living in indiana and it happened in the middle school day So my my class went outside throughout the day and we drew pictures of what we saw in the sky And we had to wear the the glasses the glasses. Yeah, I barely remember it I remember I I remember an eclipse when I was in elementary school where they They made us go inside Because they didn't have glass It was the 70s. Whoa, they're like, we don't want kids looking up at it and going blind. So They they did they did a thing with a projector where you could you could um, you could see they put a I can't remember what it was like a pinhole thing outside And then we could look at that from inside, but we weren't allowed to be out on the uh On the asshole. I see Yeah, I'm excited. I can't wait Don't people are really excited about this one. I think it's because it's just in really really cool areas You know really accessible areas and what's the it's the first eclipse That we've had in a long time that his encompassed so much of north america I think that mixed with social networks and the ability to getting other people excited about it I'd like to be this huge and like people are sharing information constantly So you're just like getting a barrage and information. Yeah. No, I think you're right It's crazy Like I've never thought it was so big and I think back to the 90s when I saw my total eclipse and I was just like Oh, I thought it happened more often and I guess it's just because I've seen one before and that's right and it happens often on earth But you know not necessarily where you can get to it and see it. Yeah, most of the time it's over water or It happens at a time frame that doesn't work out for most people or in an area People don't live so we are a water planet after all You would think that the intelligent life would have evolved in the sea on this planet Like if I was writing a story And I I was saying like this planet is made up of mostly something I would put the intelligent life in the thing that was most common Yeah Uh Maybe maybe they left. I mean maybe they got smart. I was like, hey These land live lovers are gonna start taking seriously smart creatures left no trace Other traces are at the bottom of the sea. Yeah, right and we haven't explored very much of the ocean So we just haven't run across it yet Like one day we'll like oh look at that amazing coral at the bottom of the marionne exchange. Oh my god It's an ancient civilization Undermined in the chat says dolphins dolphins Yeah, they left behind all of the all of the so so the dolphins that are on earth are like apes and monkeys And the actual sentient dolphins already left They they wouldn't be dolphins. They would be cetaceans until they would and it would be kind of weird because um Well, no cetacean encompasses more of the dolphins. Yeah, that's what I'm saying though, but it just wouldn't be dolphins No, I'm saying they're they were dolphins there because there's more than one species of dolphin. There was a sentient species of dolphin Just one Well, I'm just saying that we're all primates, but we're not all apes next week is def con Hey, if anybody in the chat is in las vegas next week We're doing a meet-up go to hack across the planet h a c k across the planet dot com and you'll see the meet-up details sweet Yay And then print them out on a piece of paper and take them with you. Yeah, there you go Because you won't want to download them Pretty sure we're not going to reserve a bar either. We're just gonna take it over We're all we're just gonna have like 50 hackers show up and be like, hey beer That's what we always did for buzz out loud at c e s and It mostly worked fine Yeah, it's too hard to reserve space because i'm like uh people on the internet are gonna show up and I don't know how many so Believe me every time we did uh revision through is at c s. That was the thing Where are we gonna go? We don't want to pay for anything and We don't know how people are gonna show up. Well, you gotta double down. That's why Yeah, the problem is like you go there and you just want to meet people and then they're playing a live They're hosting a live band and it's loud. Yeah Not to mention, I mean the bacon martini can only take you so far Hi kitty undermine says 50 hackers show up with beer. What could go wrong? Wow, you're loud right now kitty cat she is loud I don't usually hear her at all She wants attention. I'm enjoying So you've been just talking to no one for an hour. It's wrong with you Why do you keep talking to that thing in front of no one there's dana. That's what she's saying to you a cat right now She probably is All right, we are published gray oranges the new black done Thanks everybody for watching. Have a lovely weekend. We'll see you on monday