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Boy, you getting better at that every time, just trying to educate them all. I did. Check it, man. Hey, man, I got a guest here today, y'all. She don't need no introduction, man. Y'all gonna know up when you see her. You know what I mean? She's a writer and producer, actress. I mean... Singer? Singer, well-known. Listen, man, ballroom, among many more we're about to get into anyway, man. Ms. Karen Amber Cumber is in the building, stop playing, she's here by way of, is it Pennsylvania? She from somewhere upstate, cause I'm gonna tell you so. Originally Pennsylvania, but I'm in the North Carolina area, right now. Man, North Carolina right now, man. She's here. Let's get to it. Yes, welcome, welcome, welcome. Thank you. I'm glad to be here with you guys. Awesome. So, like for me personally, I like to get into your background. Yes. Because I know there's a reason why you're here today and doing what you're doing, but we gotta see where you came from. Yes. So, what was it like growing up in Pennsylvania? Beautiful place to grow up in Pennsylvania outside of Pittsburgh. Little small town called Eloquipa. But growing up, there was a lot of stuff going on, you know. It wasn't country, is it country out there? Or was it, you were in the city part. What was it? Well, town, I guess you would call it at that time. Yeah, Pittsburgh was known for steel and the railroads and all of that when I was growing up and it's changed now. But yeah, I loved the little area I grew up in. It was truly a village. Yeah, yeah, it was a village. And Lord knows I needed a village. No, no, seriously, I've got two brothers, two sisters, but my mom was an alcoholic. And where you saw in between those two brothers? Oh, I was too. Okay, so you? The second child. Okay. Yeah. Hey, mom was an alcoholic? Yeah, anti-drugs. Yeah, she got to be very, very, very, very bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember good times? Oh, oh, absolutely. Oh my goodness. Oh, lots of good times. So you said alcoholism, but was your father also alcoholic? Yeah, at some point he also became an alcoholic. And he was in the house as well? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, so I became sister, mother, you know, a lot. But like I said, where we grew up, it was a village because we had Miss Daisy, Miss Peggy, Miss Emily. And they all lived off food. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they took up the slack. Okay, that's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. But you became like a mother figure because I know a lot of children who do that even today. And for me personally, when I look on them, I look at them in admiration, but I look at them with also pity in some sort of manner because you're not being able, it's like you're being robbed of your youth. You're being robbed of your childhood. But see, sweetie, anything that the devil does, anything that comes your way, any mountain that you have to climb or valley that you find yourself in, that helps to prepare you for what it is the Lord has for you, you know. And so you then become an expert to speak to a child who will be coming up in a similar situation or a woman or whoever, whatever your situation is, God will take that script and he will flip that baby. Right. But did you know that as a child though? Because some kids will be like, well, this is unfair. No, I did not know that, but there was enough love radiating from the village and from my parents, you know, that, oh, I felt it. You know, I'd be embarrassed and stuff, but we made out, we did well, we did okay. You know, we came through, we made it through. How old were you when you left Pennsylvania? Oh my goodness, I was, I had gone to the University of Pittsburgh for two, only two, let's see, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Only did two. Two years? No, no, two years, I went two semesters. Two semesters, okay. And I realized that, you know, any time I had free time, I wanted to find somebody's stage to beyond, I just loved the theater, even though I was going intentionally to study psychiatry. Oh, that's what you wanted to do. So when you were in high school, at least what I thought I wanted to do. Come on now. But when you were in high school, did you do theater? Oh yes. Okay, so that's where you found your passion for theater. Oh my goodness, yes, yes, yes. School plays, all of that. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Star and Rolls at that point? Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. And my elementary school was predominantly Caucasian, but they had auditions for Cinderella and- Did you make the park? Yes, I did. Oh my God. Yeah, made the park, made some history. Wow. But yes. That's good. So that's what you, so you found out in college, that's what you wanted to do. No, that's when I got the nerve up. The nerve up. Because I was just wasting time. And when you were there, were you there on a scholarship or were you there just, you know, for college? Oh no, I was there- Financial aid, all of that stuff. Yeah, all of that, yes. Okay, because you know as parents, they're like, well, financial aid, you did all of this and you gotta pay this back and da-da-da loans and whatever and now you wanna quit. What you mean? Did you go through that? It, they understood what I had and that was a point where I was gonna step up and step into my shoes. Into my shoes. Okay, that's good. So when you left, what did you do? I auditioned for a school in New York, got in, you know, my high school drama teacher helped me prep for it. Okay, okay. Mr. Carmizan and from there I just kept going and I lived in New York City doing theater for many years before I moved out to L.A. Is it true that if you wanna get into theater or movies, you have to be in either L.A. or New York? That is what it was. Atlanta is the new Hollywood right now. Oh, okay. You know, it's changed but at that time that is what it was, that was the law, that was the route that everybody took. And coming from Pennsylvania, I mean, yeah, Pennsylvania, how was New York to you? It was exciting. I was a student. Broadway was there, you know, all of that fine, fantastic, awesome, off-Broadway was there, you know, and people were creating new works all the time. So for me, it was absolutely exciting. Any trials though? Oh my goodness, yes. Tell me about a trial that you went through that you're like, at that point, because you know, when we go through trials, sometimes at that point we don't see our way out. We're like, it devastated. Which trial? I know that's right. The most memorable trial. In life or as a student? As a student at that time. As a student at that time, just going from job to job, I never had the oomph that it took to be a waitress. Just my heart's on my sleeve, you know, if somebody would look at me the wrong way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then from job to job to job. And then I became a dental assistant and that is where I stayed the longest before I started getting some nice breaks and nice opportunities. You were acting at that time? Yes, yes, after I had gotten out of acting school. The rule was you couldn't really audition for anything but I did sneak away one summer and auditioned for Tambourines to Glory at the Billie Holiday Theater. And that's why I met Sam Jackson and all of the, yeah, a lot of other wonderful people that are doing real well. When was that? What year was that? Oh my God. Let's talk about it. It was like 83, 44, 84, 85. Samuel L. Jackson, was he? No, he was just Sam Jackson then. Let's just talk about it though for a second. Was he, he hadn't done coming to America yet? No, no, but he was killing some stage. He was killing stage, yeah. So did you see him and yourself but him growing and being the guy that he is today? Well, there was a whole little posse. Everybody was off the chain. Okay. The Negro Ensemble at that time. Wow. And you know, Ruby Dee and they'd still pop in as you know, even though they had moved away but I mean, no, you had the heavy hitters. They were well respected, the Negro Ensemble. Wow, wow. Everybody was bad. Man, you know, I just, I love to see people that look like me, man, just moving and scaling. You know what I mean? Because we've been through so much, our people. You know, when I think about you and I think about the times when you was talking about Pennsylvania, I go back to the 60s, the 70s and the things that you go through and I'm thinking about those times, even though a little bit before my time, I'm like, if it was tough during my time. Oh yeah. I know you've seen some things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for you to be Cinderella, it's really something that... No, that was God. He had that guy older and realize all of that stuff. You know, wow, his hand was on you. Back then and you didn't even know. Yeah, yeah. You know. When I look at your roles, you play a role, most of the time, the things that you play in can change one's life. And I think that's heavy, heavy. But see, that is what I wanna do. For me, it is ministry. I may be doing somebody else's words under somebody else's directions, but it's praise to the creator, to the source that gave me the gift. So it's always first, linear. Yeah, yeah. Well, when did you... And I was listening somewhat. When did you decide this is basically, what was that first role? What was that first thing that you knew, full-fledged? This was where you was at with the acting. When did that happen for you? Oh, it may have been a two-character piece that I did in a small little theater in New York City. And just, you know, that desire is burned harder and heavier than it ever did. And there was no way I was gonna go back or give up, even though, you know, you have your hungry times as a student, I don't know if you know about it. You know, and all of that. But as I look back, it was all worth it. And it also reminds me, as I look back, that you gotta always remember to reach back. So that you bring others alongside you. And if there's that one, you make sure you're behind them to push them forward. You know, that is what we're called to do. It's not me, it's not mine, it's not whatever. It's ours. And we are here. See, we have to link that village back up. Like that village that stepped up when my mom was, you know... Wasn't available. Wasn't there. Yeah. I love the fact that you said that because there's so many people in the entertainment industry who will reach back to help you but if they see that you're trying to surpass them, they're like, put a brace on it and be like, uh-uh. That's terrible. That is, but I'm happy you said that though because more people need to be, need to practice that. Well, for God to build you up, for you to come to that place of thinking to yourself, man, that you, you know, you good enough and I can do this. You know, the prodigal son thought to himself. You know what I mean? He said, how many hard servants do my father got? See, sometimes you gotta grab and think to yourself and figure it out for yourself because from you coming from a dysfunctional family as a young girl and then being able to find that is very important. Very important. And God, everything he does is intentional. And so when I give my testimony and I can tell kids' families from where I came and then that God, even in my crazy party girl days that God never canceled out what he had intended for me from his first thought of me back at the foundations of the very world, you know, all I have to do is step up and get into alignment and you get what he has for you, you know? Yeah, and I like it. You know, I told DOC the other week when he was on here and the same thing applies, you know, is when the blind man was blind in chapter nine of joy that he talks about a father who did sin, this man or his parents that he was made blind. When you start to see that. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? And they're trying to find fault in this person, that person, but at the end of the day, it's for the works of the father to be made manifested in you or in that person's life. Oh, absolutely. Because if you know DOC, do you know who he is? I don't. He's a rapper and he had a wreck a long time ago, like over 30 years ago and he had lost his voice. So when he speak, he speak really raspy and he couldn't rap the same way how he used to rap. He was with NWA back in the days. Oh, wow. And after that, so I had asked him, I was like, when did you mentally get over that? Cause you can physically get over it, but mentally get over that. And he's like 30 years. It took me 30 years to get over that. And it's like, how? He's like, God, yeah. Actually opened his eyes to it. So it's like sometimes like you, you know, like I say, when I, when I think about it, just being a young girl, you talk about coming from that dysfunctionality. Like it was tough in the home. Like something happened to where you felt like this ain't right. You know what I mean? And I heard you speak on it on another interview, but it's like, but for you to be who you are now and for you to help so many people with the movies and stuff that you've done. We sit at home during COVID and watch Puriflix too. We couldn't watch Puriflix no more trying to cleanse ourselves because we hadn't had to look at each other for a very long time. Because we both was working and doing all this other stuff. And now I got to look at her. Y'all say, she cute. Well, I'm trying to find the cuteness. Because I've been with this woman and we've been through hell and high water. And I'm trying to figure out if this is where we going to be. And you pop on the TV. Different people pop on it encouraging. And we say we don't want to listen at that no more because this right here, we don't want to hear nothing, but what's real? How did we find Puriflix? I think you found it one day just looking through apps. Yeah, just looking through apps and stuff like that. Because I didn't know anything about this. You have your Netflix, you have all these other ones. And when I saw Puriflix, I'm like, huh, it's just the name alone sound like, okay. So when you look through it, I'm like, okay, no cursing, nothing really, no sexual, no this, no that. I'm like, okay, this is a great platform. So that's when we started watching it. And we're like, and then you have so many different films on there. And then of course, War Room is one thing that I'm telling you that I shared War Room on Facebook like a million times. Look at me, listen. Because being married, I would tell everyone that this is. She do tell everyone. Even today, and I would get so mad if when I follow up I said, did you watch it yet? Did you watch it yet? She do this all the time. And they say, no, I'm like, you need to watch this. Because when you call me, tell me, you having this, this, this problem, you need to watch this. I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but you need to watch this. This will help you. And anytime I feel like I'm having problems in our marriage, I will pull up that movie and watch that movie. Because to me, I don't want to get no spoilers, but you realize that you're not fighting. I'm not fighting him. I'm fighting somebody I cannot see. You understand what I mean? Yes, ma'am. And every single time I watch that movie, there is one part that gives me goosebumps. And it's when Priscilla, like she sends a devil out of her house. And say, get out. And then she shuts the door. And then she come back again. I said, and as a matter of fact, and I get goosebumps every single time she does that. Let me ask you a question. Like when you was preparing for that part, just give me a spill. I'm gonna run down, like walking up to that situation. How it even came together. How did she get that part? No, I'm asking you like I wanna know. Oh, some deep divine stuff. You see, when things are lean, and you're still trying to do the right thing and these roles are coming and they're not good for you to take. And you're like, how can I talk my way into it? And or whatever, and it not be so bad. But I made a choice that I was going to be God honoring with the projects that I take. I love that. I had gone to a women of faith conference and in between the different women speaking, they had an actress who would do different scenes and monologues named Nicole Johnson. And she was killing it too. I had never seen anything like it. And I was like, okay, God, if you would just allow me to use the gift that you've given me the way you're allowing her, I'll give you everything that I have. I didn't wanna beat Nicole, but I did want him to use me in a mighty way. And so as the years went on and the years kept ticking, take this, that, this, that. But I got more involved in my church writing, directing, dramas and whatnot. And then me and my husband, we thought it was us who had decided to leave LA. But I realized that that was not the case at all. So anyway, we leave LA and we moved to North Carolina. Why would an actress move to North Carolina? So anyway, we were house hunting and the last realtor to show us a house saw a license plate on my then Ford Winstar minivan. And it read the book. I had a van. I've only got one child and I had him when I was 103. And baby, I was on my knees with him for a long time. And then God did honor it. But we were fostering. So I needed a van to carry my foster kids around. And anyway, the lady, the realtor said, so the book, your license plate, what is that? Is that the book? I said, what book are you talking about? She said, you know, the Bible. I said, yes. So she asked where I was going to church. I said, honestly, we've been going to different churches, but we haven't found one that we felt God was telling us to stop, grow roots. And she said, okay, well, you know what? This weekend, why don't you come down to my church if I give you the address? Would you consider? I said sure. So we went down, walked in those doors, baby. The spirit was up in that place. The doctrine was sound. You always have to check your dog. Exactly. You can't let anybody just tell you whatever, because there's a lot of crazy coming from the pulpit. Especially when you know it. That's why you gotta know it for yourself. And the worship was on fire. So one year led to two years, led to three years, led to eight years. And then a gentleman said, Karen, the Kendrick brothers are gonna be making a movie. I think you should audition. I think you're the one they're looking for. He said, I've seen how you served here the eight years that you have been here and I believe you're the one. So he said, I'm gonna send you some dial. No, I'm gonna give you their information, send a picture and resume. I did. And I didn't hear anything back from them. He asked me, he said, well, have you heard from the Kendrick brothers? I said, no. He said, that's okay. That's okay. Cause they're gonna be holding auditions next week. Right here in our church. Hmm. He knew that. He brought them to me. So on the day of the audition, the guy sent me the sides from Ms. Clara. He said, and I know you're the one cause I've seen what you can do. So the day of the audition, day of the audition, I went into my closet, found something that I thought would be appropriate for an 80 year old woman. And then I found a wig that I thought would suit this Ms. Clara character that I was envisioning. So that was your wig in the movie? It was a different wig. But you know, I've got lots of wigs. So I had a gray wig, very similar. And so I got dressed up and I went in in character and I stayed in character the entire time. And when I was through, they asked me to give my testimony and I gave it, I gave the good, the bad and even worse. And then I laughed. And when I got home, the phone was ringing and they were offering me the role. But see, check this out, the Kendrick brothers. There's some praying brothers cause they had interviewed well-known gospel singers and actresses, but God kept telling them no. Because girl, it was time for my heavenly father to answer the prayer that I had put up to him 30 years prior. Okay. Wow. And that's beautiful, man. I can tell that it was something. I know so many people I've changed behind one. So many, man. I already know it. I'm telling you, she gives this movie to every friend we got every time. That's, she gonna solve their relationship with this movie. And that's how she thinking. I agree with her because there's so many jewels in it. You know, what was the most, what scene or line from that movie was the most? The one that you hold on to that. There were so many. But one was sometimes you got to get out of God's way. You know, you can pray and you can talk in tongues and you can do a whole lot of things. But if you don't leave space for God to come in and do what he says he will do. You know, cause then we're sort of like becoming God and not realizing, well, I'll do it. I'll do it. No, just sit back. You got to trust. And in that trusting and sitting back, then you grow your faith. He said he will do it. Give him the space in which to work. But it's not even just that. The part that was funny to me, but was so real. You know which part I'm talking about? Probably about the guy with the gun that came out. I'm gonna get to that part, but no. I'm not really worried about that part. I'm just being real with you because I know God will do it. No, let me tell you the part. And this can go for not only if you're married, this can go for anybody. It's that coffee. That was so funny, but real. Because when I think about people on a whole, because let me tell you, whenever I'm, before I met my husband, you know, like I tell you earlier, I was raising the church. So, you know, you raise the church and when I met him, I realized that most people who go to church, they just listen to what the preacher say. They don't go research for themselves. They don't do any of that. But living life, you know, yes, you go to church every Sunday, then you might be at a club this day. You might do this and you know, you read the word here, but sometimes you don't understand it. And you wonder why you can't get it. You why you can't this. And you in and out of the Bible. And when I met him, before I met him, I prayed for someone to come along who can help me to understand, help me to complete me, help me to get where I need to get, where a spiritual is concerned. You know what I mean? And so when I met my husband, it was all of that and more. So it was a case where, it was a case where, but in life as humans, we still do that this half and half. We, you get, and I say to the devil, I say to the world, I said, because the devil have a way of keeping us busy. You understand what I mean? That we don't have the time in the night. So you don't have time to fill up at that filling station on your knees. So you're lukewarm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not hot. You're mentally hot, but you're not doing the things you need to do to stay hot. So it's like, and I see how that can relate to everyone. You know what I mean? So to me, just that part alone is just like, that's what it means to me. I think, like I said, that lukewarm, that's that revelation three and 16. You know, we all like to jump to John in three and 16. Yeah. But the revelation of three and 16. I will spew you. That like, whoo! But I mean, I like when you was chanting, my God is my, my God is you was just chanting it. And when you in the house by yourself, see, I done cried a lot of times in the house by myself in this store by myself. See, it's a, it's a difference when you really connect to God, you don't need nobody to praise God. You can just praise him by yourself. And it'll hit you in a way to where you, when the spirit hits you, it don't matter where you at, it'll tell you it's time to praise him or it's time to be still. I used to love the whole ladies and back in the days of say, cut them lights off when it starts storming. Oh, I have the thunder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm clubbing everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, just the stillness to be connected to God is so great. You know what I mean? So I just, I thank you again. I'm gonna continue to thank you for letting God use you. Thank you. That's, that's what it's all about. He used you for that scene. Now let's get into, but we can stay on War Room this whole evening. But I want, I have one more part of War Room because I'm curious about the part, cause you brought it up. The part where you are being attacked, would you ever do that in real life? I don't know. I believe that. Or have you ever heard of anybody doing that in real life? No. No, no. But I've heard something close with somebody who would say, oh Jesus! Oh my God, Jesus! And then people would just back away. Okay. Because seeing that, you know, a lot of people were like, there ain't nobody gonna really do that in real life. Oh man, you just never know cause the devil knows the name. And he knows when you are clear on the name that you know who he is and who, who's you are. The devil knows that stuff. Listen man, the word of God says every knee shall bow. So you gotta go back to the scripture. That's who you're dealing with with me. You're gonna go back to the scripture and get where it comes from because at the end of the day, it tells you every tongue must confess. That's everybody. So at the end of the day, when you know that, you know the power is in the name of Lord. So you don't have to worry about, this is something that is real The Bible says so is a man thinker, then it's hard, so is he. So it's according to how you feel and how you believe in God. Now if you wanna sit there and act like it ain't powerful then that's on you. But when you know that God is God, then you gonna stand on God's word. That's some real talk. Most people gotta see it to believe it. But he said, blessed are those who didn't, even more blessed are the ones who didn't see and who still believe. You know, cause Thomas had to touch him. But the other ones, he said something after that that pretty much gave power to the ones who were coming afterwards to motivate us. So, I mean, you, like I said, you wanted those ones. What was her name? Priscilla was a Priscilla. Was it a Syrah? Syrah, I can't even say the name right. That woman right there, that's Tony Evans doing that. Dr. Tony Evans. Dr. Tony Evans. But yeah, how was it working with her? Wonderful, wonderful. Feet on the ground, heart in heaven. A lot of fun. Have you guys spoken or do you even communicate with her? Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Were there a lot of bloopers in the movie? When I said bloopers, you know how you'd be cracking up and having it just cut? Yep, yep, yep, absolutely. I'll be wondering, cutting up. So, I know that you're here for the heart that forgives part two. For two, yes. Did you watch part one? I did. You did? And what was it about it, part one that made you feel like, cause I know that when people reach out to you for parts, you have to be led to accept the part. What was it that made you say, I wanna be in part two? The storytelling, the intention. Intention is everything. And of course, craft. Ability, yeah, yeah. And read up a little about the people involved too, you definitely. Ooh, very important. Very important. And what's your role? I am playing Debbie, who is a sister of the lead's wife. I don't wanna say too much. Okay, definitely, definitely. Okay, yeah. I was just wondering, cause when I was watching out, cause we watched part one. I was like, how is she, where is she going, who are they gonna take out and put her in? I'm trying to figure it out. That brother, T.C. Stallings, is that a guy that you work with him twice? Maybe more, I just sit down there twice about the compass. Oh, God's compass. God's compass, yeah, and more room. Like, how was it working with him? Wonderful. And how did you, you met him on the set? I met him on the set, yeah. He plays. And his wife and kids, and we became like this. And sometimes there are long periods before we see each other again, but it's always, we pick right back up. Great guy. And you have to have chemistry. Yeah. And I liked it, I was great chemistry. I think he played your son and then he played your son in law and I was like, man, they got a great chemistry and I love to see them back on the screen again together. You know what I mean? Yeah, we working on some stuff. Really? In the background, yeah, we got some. I said, because you producing and writing, now how did you, what drove you to doing that? It was Ms. Clara. Okay. After War Room, everybody was reaching out to me to play their version of Ms. Clara. And I was like, okay, God, you know, I'm a classically trained actress. What are we gonna do? You know, I'd be crying. It's not be flowing. I'd be like, don't throw. Right. And then one day in my prayer room, this story started. So you do have a prayer room at home? Yeah, yeah. And then this story just started and it wouldn't leave me alone. And then I started writing it out and I've got a friend who only writes scripts. So we, I put everything together and contacted her and then we sat two different locations and used writer's duet and we wrote the script. And what was the name of this one? What is it? Oh, discarded things, girl. That's what I love. Okay, so discarded things. I was just thinking about it a while ago. Is that like fictional made up? Yeah, I made it up. But you know, like I said, I used to be a foster mom and I wanted to put some stuff out there because people always want to adopt foster babies. Y'all gotta watch this movie. Okay, discarded things too. Yeah, they want to adopt babies and stuff. But we've had some beautiful kids come through our house and I want people to really consider some of the older kids. So... I love the way how, but in order to do that, you have to truly have patience. You have to have God. I mean, because these are, as he said, troubled kids that are coming from different walks of life that have to be approached differently. I love the way in the movie, how you had to try different ways of how to reach out to all these different kids. But of course, my favorite part is the ending, which I'm not gonna tell y'all what happened, but I love that part because that was so unexpected because I hate movies that I'm like, and he hates when I talk to the TV, but he does it too. He acts like he doesn't do it, but he does it too. And he's like, why didn't he just do that? Like, really? That's dumb. I'm like, but I hate movies that are predictable. Yes. I'm like, oh, I already know what... He's like, did he watch this already? I'm like, no, I just know what's gonna happen. And so, but that was so unexpected. And I love it. You did an awesome job. Thank you. And the filming, everything was great on that movie. Thank you, thank you. I loved it. You had a book, it was a prayer book of some sort. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Let's talk about that for a second. I wanna try to hit ourselves before I get you out of here. Yeah, just the devotional, after War Room again, people kept asking me how they should approach prayer. And the devotional I did, it's deeper, but it's very simple and basic. And I tell people, God knows your heart. He designed you, he created you, he knows everything about you, just open up honest dialogue. It doesn't take that flowery hither, the thither, the lordeth God, you know, and just open honest communication. And that is prayer. And you don't actually have to have a prayer room because let me tell you, I went through my house trying to find a closet. I can't have a closet. But I couldn't spare a closet space to have a prayer room. But a lot of people watching that move, like, man, I need to clear somewhere, like I need a spot. Any spot, the wood, your back porch, your car, the bathroom, any place where you are in dialogue becomes that prayer room. Yeah. I love it. That space. Sorry, but is there any of the movies that you've ever acted a true story yet? It's based on it. It's based on a true story? Well, something I did recently is based on a true story, but I didn't produce it. It's a story about an Indian man from India who God just moved on his heart. And he was wondering, you know, about children whose parents are in prison, their fathers, what could he do to bring them together? So he started praying and speaking to a pastor, one pastor in particular, and he wanted to have the... He collected some toys and things, and he wanted to have the fathers that were in prison wrap the gifts for their kids, but he wanted to go even more. He wanted the kids to go to the prison to get the gifts, but while they were there, the fathers would wash their feet. Okay. Isn't that powerful? And so these guys who have been in prison, they're crying, they're telling their kids they're sorry and they love them, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, Jesus, he washed the feet. Yes, he did. So that, but you know, I've got some other things coming down the pipeline, too. Something I'm very excited about, different way to minister. It is a limited television series called The Healer. I think it's awesome. I didn't see that. It's a story about a woman who is a therapist. She is an atheist. She is an atheist. She is a starch atheist and certain things happen and of all people in the world, God gives her the gift of healing. So she has to struggle with that and all of the things that come with healing because everybody that she prays for puts her hands on, they don't get healed. So why this racist individual and not this baby, why does God let the baby die? So it's very interesting. Because I know a lot of people who do not believe in God and so forth that I need to the send some of those movies there. Wow, you know, that is nothing. When you say don't believe in God or atheists, I think about the Word of God and I start to see all these people that y'all talking about, they everywhere. It didn't just start now and I think a lot of times people don't talk about even false prophecy enough. I think people need to be real that that's what was in the Word of God when you seen John say in 1st John, they was with us but they came from among us. You know what I mean? They were lovers but they came from among us though. Meaning they started right but then they end up doing something else. So when you see these things, a lot of times people don't really stay in that Word like she was telling you earlier, like you were saying the same thing, know your Word. It's very important to read and stuff. I read Romans chapter eight, you drove me to that before I came up here. My wife says, why are you reading Romans chapter eight? I say, because I don't know, she said something on the show and I just wanted to read Romans chapter eight. Sometimes it hit you like that, you know what I mean? So like I said, who would you like to work with that you haven't worked with already? Oh, there is a list of people. I've got a movie that someone put in my hands and they want to do it in Chicago. I've got a friend that has a skating ring. It's one of the oldest skating rings ever. They were going to tear it down. She said, no, I want to use it for ministry. So you've got these gang members coming back and forth and whatnot, whatnot. So anyway, they remodeled it and we've got a movie that we're going to, we're looking to produce based around this skating ring. Chance the Rapper. Yeah, yeah, dope. Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep. I like Chance. Deal with, what other meaning? That would be nice. Yeah, he's a Chicagoan. Right, he is. And a believer and he's skated there a couple of times. Wow. So we want to. Try to pull it in. We want to pull it in. That's hard, that's hard. That would be awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you think that there are enough young people watching Christian based movies? No, because for a large part, it's coming from a place that isn't loving, that isn't Christ-like at all. It's mean, it's judgmental, it's hypocritical. And they've had enough of that. But the Bible, in the Bible, Jesus told the fishermen, throw the net and lift that baby up, throw it out the other side. So that's a different way of ministering. So that's why Ergo discarded things. Right. You know, we're a little rough and tough. We're dealing with some tough stuff, but we're dealing with real stuff that they can relate to. That's exactly. That's so real. Yeah, no. That's real, man. Yeah, no. Go ahead, go ahead. Tell me about Never Heard. Oh, that was fun. Because you worked with David Banner, Robin Givens, and Little Romeo, and that one. How was the working with David Banner? David Banner? Yeah, he was my son who was in prison. It was good, actually. It was very interesting. It was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I say that because David Banner has some very interesting things to say, and I'm going to be honest with you. No, he does. I'm supposed to be linking up with him. Shout out to DJ Byrne one. I've been trying to get that interview, so I definitely got to get with David. I'm interested to see his thoughts. His thought process is a little different, so I like different. I'm God's child, so I'm the one that he chose a lot of times to speak on his behalf. I'm one of those guys. I know that, so I know that whenever we meet, it's going to be a great conversation. I believe so. I really believe so. And I would like to actually have a in-depth conversation with him all of these years after. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I get it. That movie you never heard. So, man, so I'm just, like I say, I want to tell you that you got to keep it going, man. We got to have that word of God coming through you and those screens, because it reaches out and touches us. A lot of time, people, you can tell when someone really, really is speaking from the heart, acting from the heart. You know what I mean? You remind me of my aunt had it in that scene with Water Room. You know it. She passed away now. She was 99 when she passed. But she really was that, she was that in the end zone. So you brought that memory to me. So thank you so much again. You see, I never knew her as a type of person to speak. She spoke softly all the time. But I've never really seen her getting the spirit. Because when you get in spirit, you can get loud with it. He know her, so he know if she can get like that. But she's always been so soft-spoken, not timid, but just like caring. She'll give you the word in a heartbeat. I mean, she know to do the teacakes in a heartbeat, too. Yeah, but she wrote so many. Teacakes are always going in her house. But she wrote so many poems and some of them were in the White House and stuff like that. In her day, she was from 15 years old. These times, this is in the 50s and 60s. So she was, she would, she was 99 when she passed away. But that was probably what, 15 years ago. You know what I mean? So at the end of the day, she did a lot of things in her time. And it was something that we as country people looked up to. Beautiful. Because I was country. Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. What's the name? I cannot pronounce this word. Isanaklesh, your production company. Oh, Isanaklesh. It's a Native American term that means Earth Mother. But people kept asking me that question, too. And so I ended up just changing it to Earth Mother. Oh, OK. So you did change it. So it means the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a catch-ism. Like when you hear that, it makes everybody ask you. So it's good. You should have kept. Yeah, yeah, I thought about doubling back. But yeah. Man, top three movies? Yeah, of all times. You, top three. I need those. Top three movies of all times. Number one. Touching. I don't care if touching. Her top three movies. Her top three movies. OK. Oh, I don't know. You. No, you. This is for the guessing. My favorite? Yes. What are your top three movies of all time? Oh, period? Period. I would say the first time I saw, it might have been Sounder. I never heard that one. Right? Right. Probably Sounder. Cicely Tyson. Oh. Man, I was about to ask you about her nicks. But I got you. I got some stuff. I love her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And anything from those days where our people were doing it, exceptional, but still didn't have the freedom and liberty to be all. But when they stood in front of a camera on the stage, they burned it up because they were just excellent. And the giftings that they had, excellent. You know? And I'm going to get you number two. But since you said that, I want to ask you this question. Because you've been in the film industry for a while. And being a female, where have you seen the industry graduated to compared to what it used to be? Being a female. Oh, my goodness. It was like, if you didn't make it by the time you were 26, 30, throw your hands up. Because there would be some younger girls coming. And they would put Harrison Ford with a 22-year-old girl when he's 78. And we just believe Hollywood, that that is his new wife. Or that is the way it's supposed to be. We come, we go. We get a little older, start to get gray hair. They toss us out. So it's not like that anymore. No, it has changed. It has changed. And I'm so glad for Shirley Ralph and the recognition that she's getting. You know, she's far dramatically. Oh, she's beautiful and powerful. And that's always been. And yeah, things are changing. And the young girl, Bronson, with the, what is it? I can't remember. Elementary, the little girl came from basically, well, what we would think, obscurity. But she had a script. And she would not be denied. And then that first season of awards, just bring him in. This beautiful, young, black, smart, intelligent writer, you know, who would not take no for an answer. Because things are changing. You know, things are changing. And not only is she getting kudos for stepping up and being a wonderful, wonderful role model, but it was that show that that young girl wrote, young black African-American girl that got Shirley the award. Powerful hand. Powerful. But, well, sure, her gifting, but it was in the show that this young girl created. And it was due time. Powerful. It was due time. Powerful. And so, yeah, yeah, you can't keep the good stuff down forever. Because what I see. Queen's always going to rise to the top. That's true. But what I see women always go through in Hollywood is the fact that, especially as you're talking about age, I see so many actresses have to do all these cosmetic surgery just to look younger. Oh, god. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just so they can get certain roles because of they want to keep working. Not understanding their own true power. You know, you know, not clear on who they really are or whose they really are. So when Hollywood says jump, a lot of people jump. Jump. You know, but things are changing, you know. That's good. You're number two. If they knew the description, they'd say you fearfully and wonderfully made. Fearfully. Ephesians 2, 10. Come on now. When you know that you fearfully want to make. But you're dangerous when you know. Yeah. You are dangerous when you know. And not that head knowledge. Yeah, right. That is in you. In you. In you. You're a man. Yeah. When you know that you know, that you know. That's what they're talking about. That's what they're talking about. Number two. Oh, I don't know. The movie that every time when you go home and you're looking for something to watch, you're like, I'm going to watch this over and over again because I love that movie. She don't watch that movie. I don't watch a whole lot of stuff. I'm the one who watches the movie. He watches a scene where he's over and over again. I don't care. You don't want to. No, you will. If I want to, that's what I'll do. I don't have to have no. I can see you do it and catch different things in it. You like that too. Some people like that. I'm like that. I like that. I have to spread it out. I have to watch different things out. So I'll go look for different inspirational movies. I cannot watch the same one every single day all the time. I can't do that. I'm going to let you off the hook on the move. But when I say these names, what comes in mind? Sicily Tyson, since you named her, what comes in mind? Grace, incredible talent. Beauty, black, smooth beauty. What about Maya Angelou? I was not going to say that. You're just going to take my little old sick way, huh? Brilliance, power, overcomer, trendsetter, path clearer. Tyler Peer. He did not give up when the doors were shut because people didn't want to accept what he had to offer. They wanted it a certain way. And he packaged his stuff and took it on the road relentless and powerful. Last but not least, Lou Garcia, Jr. I remember watching movies with him. Not only was he gorgeous, but the chops were so tight. And just to see an African-American man up there delivering with class and style and all of that, a treasure. We watched a movie with him right before we came out. It didn't help or anything, but we definitely watched that movie. A treasure. Man, I've loved all those guys. I know they went through it. People don't realize. But you do what they had to go through just to be in the business, man. Denzel. Even Denzel, when you think about the way that we still have people like Eddie Murphy who don't are you or whoever hadn't been recognized in certain ways, we have to learn to find it within ourselves. Again, I go right back to that. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter what you think about me. It's what I feel about me and what I feel God feels about me. I don't have to worry about what anyone thinks about me. That's the ultimate judge. Yep. Yep. Yep. Thank you so much, man. What else you got? What are the upcoming roles or upcoming movies that are? I know you probably already filmed. They're coming out soon, probably sometime 2023 that we should be looking for that's coming out. I've got a piece. Actually, it'll be playing on Puriflex. It's a TV series I shot last year called Eleanor's Bench, where I'm playing a judge. I saw that. In Juvie Court. Yeah, I used to be a highfalutin lawyer in a top-notch law firm. But I leave to sit on Juvie Bench. And so we get some stories up in there, girl. Across the board. Stories, powerful stories. A lot of people are doing episodes now more than movies. I know this sad. Oh, and something just came back to my memory. When I was looking you up, it said Save by the Bell. And I'm like, in my mind, watching Save by the Bell, I'm like, I don't remember one little black girl in Save by the Bell. I'm like, I'm like. It was the new generation, because they all rebooted. I remember that. That's where you came in that one. OK. Because I couldn't figure it out. And when I tried, I'm trying to find it. I'm like, where did she? Yeah. Oh, man. We love you. Well, thank you. Kerry, we love you. In a way, you know, you stuck with us now. Well, you know what? That's good. Because I have to say, y'all stuck with me. Man, I enjoy this. So we just three-stucked things. And there's some good stuff in that stuff. Yeah, man, anything you need. When you're in Texas, man, or definitely if I'm in North Carolina, because North Carolina got a place called Rocket Mountain, there's the most stuff up there. And we had Archivius Armstrong that flew down from North Carolina and said, God told him to come. And we first started this, we like, over. That was the first person I ever flew in. He was a motivational speaker. He just flew in on his own and wanted to be on Ball Stalk and said it was the way that I spoke or what he heard. And he wanted to be a part of it. Well, that's really beautiful. But I know it was God. It was always God, because that's how we walk around here. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, man. How can people get a hold of you? What's your handle on Instagram? We ask that too. Yeah, I'm Real Karen Abercrombie at Real Karen Abercrombie on Instagram and Karen Abercrombie.com website and a couple of different Facebook pages. But watch and see what the Lord is doing, because he's up to some stuff. Oh, man, I already know it, man. It doesn't surprise me. No, it doesn't surprise me, because the way you speak, the faith and the way you walk. You see what I'm saying? You walk by faith. You know, it's not by sight. So you don't tell them what's about to happen. And thank you so much for coming on Boss Talk 101, man. What a boss's talk. And we out. I'll see you out.