 Hello, I'm Linda Jacobsen, Director of the East Asia Program here at the Lowe Institute. I'm joined today by Bonnie Glazer, Senior Advisor for Asia at CSIS Washington DC. Welcome Bonnie. Hi. Bonnie is here in Sydney because she's presented a paper at the Lowe Institute workshop on East China Sea Tensions. Now this recent summit between Presidents Obama and Xi, did it have any effect, do you think, in moving towards some kind of managing of tensions over the Senkaku Diayu? From what I have heard and read, it seems to me that Xi Jinping took a consistently tough position on the Senkaku Diayu issues as well as on the territorial disputes in the South China Sea. I think this is not surprising. At the same time, I would guess that there was an understanding that this is not something that should come to blows because neither Japan, China, nor the United States has any interest in a military conflict over these islands. Absolutely, yes. And what was your assessment of the Sea Obama summit? What do you think came out of it that was of importance? I think it was very good that it took place. I think it was really a big step forward that they were able to agree on such an informal summit so early on. And it's always good that two leaders familiarize themselves with each other. But I would caution people to be too optimistic or have unrealistic expectations on the basis of this summit simply because in both capitals the presidents are constrained by domestic factors and especially in Xi's case. I think however charming, approachable he is, however different he is from his predecessor, they are still very strong interest groups who will constrain his behavior when it comes to the relationship with the United States. Well, I think we are in a better position than we were before the meeting. I think it does provide some hope going forward that there can be a little bit more clarity about each other's positions and the challenges that both presidents face at home. And maybe that will find, at least maybe that will provide a bit of a basis for some understanding going forward. But I am also not overly optimistic. Thank you. Thank you, Linda.