 There is one thing that you must do early on in your career as a civil engineer, and that is to get field experience. You must get out on project sites, and there's some important reasons to do that. And in this week's engineering management lessons video, I'm thrilled to have with us Ron Berg from the American Concrete Institute. And Ron, you had experience early on in your career getting out in the field. Tell our audience how that experience helped you and why it's so important to civil engineers. Obviously it was invaluable because there's certain things you can learn in school. There's certain things you can learn from a book. There's certain things you can learn from talking to others. But there's a whole realm of things that you can only learn in the construction industry by being out there doing it, seeing it rubbing shoulders with people who have experienced it. That's a critical part of your knowledge base as an engineer. And I also think it's a critical part of your knowledge base to get earlier in your career rather than later in your career. So my strong urging would be to anybody that's a recent graduate or going to graduate with a civil engineering degree. Look for some early opportunities where you can actually get out on a construction site or construction sites and see how work is really done. It will make you a better engineer. I think it'll make you appreciate what you've learned in school even more. And it'll make you appreciate the process you're going to ultimately be in to end, whether it's a design process, a management process, or what have you. Having the knowledge of how it's actually done in the field is of critical importance. And I think it'll make your job more enjoyable at the end of the day. Thank you so much for that, Ron. And one thing that I'll add to that is if you're a manager listening to this, the same goes for you get your younger engineers out in the field whenever you can. I know sometimes projects are busy, things are busy, but it's going to be invaluable for them and for you and for the long term success of your division, your company, getting them that field experience. So they really understand the practical side of engineering. And believe me, it will be worth it. So thanks for tuning in here. Be sure to subscribe to our channel for these weekly videos. And you can find a link to the entire interview with Ron on the Civil Engineering podcast in the comments below.