 All right, we should be live. Let me bring Tom up. Let me bring that up. Tom, you'll have to watch the comments and make sure that this actually does go live, because I can't see. So hopefully that's around to it. It'll be fine. I'm sure it's fine. So in that case, hello everybody. If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer, and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. I am on the road this week, as you can see, and my wife is here in a hotel room with me. Hello. Hi, Kathy. Hello, dear. How are you doing? She heard a rancor, and she doesn't feel well. What a wonderful vacation for her. Can you hand me my code over there, dear? It has myself on it, which I need. Thank you. Yes, Tom, are we live? Has it come up? Oh, yeah. Okay, good. Wonderful. Well, excellent. So this is a big week. Just as a word of warning, I can't see everyone's comments, because I only have one screen right now, and I actually don't know where my phone went. So, hey, life's crazy, right? But anyway, we're going to be talking about, I think, the most exciting news that has come out in a long time. I mean, I think we knew that this was coming, Tom, what happened to Blood and Glory, but it's so much better than I can describe, right? Are you talking about the announcement or the hollow heart showing? Let's say both. Sure, sure. At any rate, so we'll get into that. We're also going to do, so this week, folks, we're going to do a little holy havoc recap. Tom and I went to a team tournament this weekend. Here's the deal, folks. This weekend, we were at a tournament. I didn't even get to finish the tournament with Tom, and I had to fly out and come directly to this conference that I've been at all week and still am at. And I have not had a chance to look at either of the new books, so we're going to start our review shows next week. So this week, this will be a relatively short show. I apologize, but such is the nature of life. I've been basically working 10 to 12 hours a day nonstop since I flew out of the tournament, so... Sure you have. You're in Miami. Come on, man. We know all about Miami or however Will Smith pronounces it. You know, can I say something about that? So that song has been stuck in my head for like four days, because of course it has. And it was finally out of my head. And as I was walking up here back to my room and I walked by where there was music playing, it was the song playing. Oh, no. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. I finally got rid of it. It was on. It was the last song before I came up here. I can't get rid of it. So in fact, it is a party in the city where the heat is on all night on the streets till the break of dawn. At any rate, let's get into some news. What do you got, Tom? I'm just going to cut right to the chase. I don't care about events. I mean, I do and we're going to talk about them. But I want to talk about Slay's Darkness. Yeah, man. Oh, my God. Look, I think we all... I think it's happening. It's happening in a way I couldn't have even imagined. Like, look, you and I have both been long time fans, defenders, adherents of chaos nights and warriors. Right? So I have like 25 painted cast nights across two different cast factions. You have a bunch of chaos warriors. Like you have so many cast warriors and knights and stuff because you love... I do. I do. Frankly, the only thing we don't have is any corn nights. Between the two of us, we don't have any corn nights. We don't have a corn army. Whatever. Those are called skull crushers. Yeah. Oh, never mind. I'm going to be nice. Go ahead. Sure, sure. And I was fully expecting them to say, hey, you know, because they posted that little teaser with the cast star. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, okay, awesome. We're going to get our Slay's Darkness book. Like we had known that that was coming because of the reveal. But I was like, great. Excellent. That's all I want. You know, a new cast book. Make Archeon good again. Make the Varengard awesome. But no, no, no. Then they had to drop the bomb on us, baby. Because... So first of all, you... I don't know if you can see it, Tom, but I've got the little Ogroid, the new Ogroid... I do. Yeah. Meermedon or whatever, up on the screen. Mm-hmm. Now, he is a war cry model, but obviously like all the chaos war cry dudes, he'll have the Slay's Darkness keyword. Yep. Yep. And then so I'm going to bring up another one here, folks. I'm going to cover Tom for a moment. All these preloaded with the Sphere Anx, which is like... This is not a monster. This is a champion. This is a leader thing. It's a dude. It talks. It's sentient. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I love that Sphinx thing. I don't even know what it is, but I am in. Oh my God, this thing is so awesome. It's so awesome. Okay. It's not on, by the way. It's not on the screen. Sphinx? Yeah. Okay. Hold on. I'm going to do this because they're not letting you. It's not letting you do it. Sorry. There's a delay until I assume that it was showing, but it's okay. It's okay. I have us. Oh, it didn't show. That's weird. No. No. I don't know why. Where is it? Where'd it go? There it is. Blood and Glory. Okay. Hold on. Hold on, folks. We're on this. Man, I don't know. That said, I don't know how any of you haven't seen these things. Okay. First of all, let's talk about this dude, the ogreoid. He's a beast. That dude looks awesome. Amazing. I want him. Yeah. Amazing. And he's like almost wearing the mankini that those other dudes are wearing. Like the double shoulder strap one. Yep. Oh, yeah. You know, that's what's going on under that tabard. And then this is the sphinx thing that we were talking about. Oh, I see. The screen is kind of clipped in a funny way. I'm sorry, everybody. I did manage to find my phone here while we're talking and I brought it up. So now I can see us. And I can see the chat. Yeah. There you go. Wonderful. There you go. There's a weird animal ask. I don't even know what it is. With two heads, by the way. Yes. Mm-hmm. So good. Mm-hmm. Like, I love him. I really do. This is one of my favorite models they've made in forever. Like, I don't know something about this big weird sphinx cat. Just, it blew me away. Like, this is such a weird, creative, awesome piece of design. Yeah. It's very like, it screams, like Blanche, right? Is that the artist's name? John Blanche, yeah. Yeah, John Blanche. Like, it echoes very, like, the weird alien-esque stuff of a lot of Blanche's works. Yeah. And we haven't seen him next to, like, other figures yet. Yeah. He's large. Yeah, he's big. I think they did in, like, the video or something. Like, you saw him next to it in the preview video. But, like, that's kind of hard to see. You only see him for a second. I want to see him in a still. But I assume he's on a 75. That's basically what it's like. He's pretty tall. He's taller than a foot, than somebody on foot by a considerable amount. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm excited. And also, as somebody mentioned, like, the potential for more ogre-oid things in the future, I would love that. Yeah. Like, I would love if they just kind of... In this weird dude? Yeah, the Fomorian dude. Yeah, the Fomorian dude. Yep. And as they say right there, all three of these will have war scrolls and points for Slaves of Darkness. Oh, man. I'm excited for what this weird thing can be. It makes me wonder if they're going to change... They're going to flip the mechanic for, like, STD on its head. Like, so far we've seen it, like, them just basically be, like, the second fiddle to chaos. Sure. And I'm wondering if, like, instead of choosing allegiance how they have previously, if they'll maybe, like, gain different benefits from, like, like, be able to be buffed or gain certain benefits from all the chaos gods. Yeah. Does that make sense? Like, I wonder if they're going to flip the mechanics at all. Like, and do something new and interesting. Well, so here's what we know. Like, go ahead and let's just scroll down to the money shot here. Like, these two dudes are awesome. But then they lure us away because we're getting new sculpts on chaos warriors, chaos knights, and an awesome new Thunder Lizard chaos lord. Yep. So here's the chaos warriors. My god. These are so weird. And then here's the new knights. Look at these new knights. They're so good. Like, this is just going to be an hour of me going, my god, I'm blown away. Like, that's all I can say because here's what's incredible to me about this design. And actually go back to the warriors real quick. The knights are incredible, but I want to go back to the warriors real quick. So like, bring their picture up. Yep. Okay. So look, I have been a fan of the original chaos warriors for a long time. Like, I think they're a sculpt that basically held up. They look big and dark and imposing. But of course, unarguably, their one big drawback was static. Yeah, they were very static because they were made for the rank and flank days, right? Yep. And these guys, what's incredible is they still feel like the original chaos warriors just updated to be slightly more modern and dynamic. Like, the way these guys are moving and running and posing. Like, this is such a perfect merger of the original aesthetic. Of the new and old. Yeah, of the new and old. And like, modern figure design. Yeah. This is, I mean, this is an A plus. This is some of the most impressive model design I've seen out of AOS because they seamlessly blended these two things. And by the way, there's just like a bunch of little awesome details on these guys. Yep. They changed the shield style a little to be more like Archeon shield, which I really like, because I think that's a good-looking shield. All the Varingaron shields, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. The different cloaks made of the different materials scattered around some of them. The helm shapes are very classic, like their old helms, but like have slight variations here and there. Yep. The dead elf head. There you go, Tom. As has been pointed out and joked about on the internet, there you go, you got your new elf release. There he is. That should be the fate of all high elves right there. That's where they went, Tom. That's why you don't have any more high elves left. Did you see the dragon skin cloak over here? Yeah, yeah. Like the Star Drake style? Yeah. Yeah, it looks so good. Like I just, I love it. And again, I agree with you. I love the updates on the shields. Because again, these feel very like very much in line with and see like the pittedness of this shield. Yep. Oh man, I'll fit right in her army. Oh sure, I think these guys will fit in. So now let me just say some things we know. Yeah. We know that the rend on Archeon Sword is improving. So that's a thing. It's minus two now. We didn't see the lizard. Oh yeah. We talked about everything. Good call. This dude's also freaking awesome. Like by the way, if this is the new Lord on Demonic Mount equivalent. You're like I'm in. Okay, I take back everything I said last week. Like you sold me. Also, I bet this dude has an alternate head too. That is helmed, you know. Yeah. Which I will see that version. Like they have all the heads on these. I think they said, I think they said that they have helm options of helmed and unhelmed for all the. All the warriors and knights, yeah. Yes. Yeah. I just don't know if they said it for the Lord, but I would assume the Lord has a. Yeah. Has the same option. Cool. Yeah. This guy is incredible. We know that they're still keeping their marks. That has been confirmed that like you can still mark all of them. And what's fascinating about that, when you think about something like the way that they've constructed some of the recent books. So like let's talk about slanesh, right? So like let's say you wanted to make them marked that they don't become knights, they're just slanesh allegiance. Right. So there are things that cleverly they will have and things that cleverly they will not. Right. Because of that sort of where they where they played this kind of key word bingo. But at any rate, and that's that's true largely for I imagine when we see the zine tree release on the other side of this, that'll be the same thing. Right. So I am just beyond excited and the most amazing part, Tom, we haven't even talked about the most amazing part of this yet. We haven't. Yeah. That's fine. I'll scroll down and I will show you the rest of it, which is where to go. There it is. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Where to go? It's not. It's not. You got to go in the video. Oh, but what Tom is going to tell you what he was going to try to find as he scrolls around a hyperspeed. There you go. You had it. Boom. Releasing with this. There you go. Bam. Is a start collecting that has everything in it. The, the 10 cast warriors, the five nights and the, you just keep it small, Tom. You're only making it worse. Oh, well, I was trying to picture in picture. Yeah, I know. I clicked the wrong one. Boo. There you go. Just leave it there. It's okay. All right. The wizard guy, 10 warriors and the, and the five nights in a star collecting. Yes. Yes. Launching an army with a star collecting. Yes. Please do this all the time. This is how it should be. Armies works. Yeah. Or it should. Yep. Like. Oh, good. Yes. Somebody said the helm Lord is in the video. Thank you. I thought, I thought that there was another version, but I couldn't remember. Um, and, uh, that like, I hope that they're taking this as a marker because these are all new figures. Right. So like, if they had launched a new star collecting and it was like 10 of the old cast warriors and five of the old cast nights and like a Lord on Mount or something, I would be like, okay, nothing, no, no different there. They've done that before for old sculpts, right? Where they already have the figs. Right. But this is how they should do all of the new releases. Like, yes. Yeah. You know, they're going to start collecting with the core of the army because guess what, folks? Yeah. You might not be making full coin off of it. Like they're giving a discount. You know, a discount on these clearly. Yep. Yep. You're going to make so much more money because this actually. People are going to start. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It makes it so much easier for somebody to walk in and go, I want that army. What do I buy? And they go and the person in the storage goes this. Buy this. Start here. And like it's the newest sexiest armies that people are going to look at and say that. So make it easy for people to buy your new sexy armies. Folks, this shouldn't be complicated. So this is great. More of this thing. Yeah. I want to, again, I'm going to have a, pretty soon I'm just going to need to stand outside Warhammer World with a poster board that says, do more of these things you've been doing. Please continue. Right. So. Yeah. Like I just, it just makes sense. I am indeed in accord. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, this is, this was huge. I am beyond excited for this, both for, and they've said that clearly it's going to focus some degree on the undivided and bring back that as a thing. Yeah. Especially under our Kion, because we know like our Kion and the Varen Garden, all those are going to be in here too. I mean, the question now is, is there more Tom? I mean, I don't think so. I mean, maybe, like I imagine what we're going to see is, I think we are going to see all the war cry stuff re-boxed. We know that. That was already on the buy sheet. Yeah. But I mean, like, I think we may see it in like double volume or we may see the numbers differently. No, I think it'll be, yeah, there'll be double side boxes at least of just the face. Yes. Boxed for the army because my sneaky suspicion is that's the effective replacement for marauders. Yes. I would agree with that. And I don't even know that we'll keep all the same stat lines that they had trotted out previously. I mean, maybe they will. I, you know, and for me, actually, like what I would actually be really interested in is if like the iron golems were the, were the temple sub factions within a slave to darkness. So like if they go with the route of like daughters of cane temples or, or stormcast chambers or all that, I would love for them to actually like if they go that route, I don't know that they will, but if they go that route, I would love for them to be the different things we've seen trotted out and war cry, the Cypher Lords. Yeah. And by the way, I don't think they're replacing marauders. I don't think they're going to squat marauders because I'm pretty sure they already confirmed that. That's not what I mean. I think what I meant by that was thematically they're intending you to use them like marauders to have more interesting marauders. And you might be right. That's kind of the odd. Like they play with that in kind of enclaves, right? Where these, these, these where in your army, the iron golems have ascended and been accepted within the very inspire into the forces of the ever chosen, right? And so are officially like part of the army, right? And that would be cool. Yeah. So like, great. Awesome. This is, this is a banner release. You know, there's one kit in the slaves darkness world that I do wish they would update and replace. What's that? And that's the war shrine. I just, I hate the existing war shrine. I know you say that as rules. I own two war shrines. Neither of them are real war shrines. They're all things I've literally scratched built. Yes. I don't disagree because I also don't like the model. And I myself like built a converted version. Sure. Yeah. We both have. Neither of us decided to use the goofy real one. Yeah. With the, the for me and guy, the for morning guys like carrying it. No, I agree with that. I wouldn't mind if they changed it some, but I really like, I don't know. I don't want him to get rid of it. And my fear would be that they don't replace it. They just get rid of it. Well, like we said, they're not getting rid of anything. So just give us a new version. Like, look, with what we just saw with what they were able to do with chaos warriors and chaos nights, imagine what a new war shrine looks like in 2019. Okay. That's mind blowing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I love how did you, I don't know if you saw observed to one. Yeah. Just slap it on top of a stone horn. Yeah. I chose the thunder tusk, but sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, okay. It's fine. Like I actually did. I get it. And that's, that's a perfectly acceptable, you know, compromise. Yes. Put it on top of any big beast like that. Right. And, and yes, Mogwai, the chaos marks are staying on the worst roles. They, they did confirm that. So you can still mark your people to vary the gods. Yep. So I'll be interested to see if we, if there's any other kits in the hopper. Look, I'm not sad if there's not. Don't get me wrong. Like these three have blown me away. Like I'm, I'm good, man. I'm super good. You've made me happy because that is the core of this army. The things that we have always loved, right? The lord, the, the, the knights and the, and the warriors. And I would say, by the way, also the plastic chaos lord on foot or lord of chaos, right? Is also still a banging model. Like, Like I, like it makes me want to just get out of my dude because I did a big converted one following. I think one of Tyler Mangle old conversions. Yeah. Yeah. It was a real sharp. Yeah. Big fan. Yeah. So this, this really excites me. I know I already like, I know I'm in for a couple of boxes of the star collecting on this for sure. This will be a nice project in 2020. You know, obviously I'm working on my tempestive force right now and golden demon projects. And I'm really keen to keep working on that tempestive force. I want to get my army done, but this will be what a wonderful thing to just like add into the existing slaves to darkness of already God. I can't wait to like paint these nights, paint these warriors. It'll be great in between projects because it's just adding to something I already have to like a really big force of right. So. All right. I'm just, I'm just looking at the comments to make sure I'm not missing anything. All right. Cool. Oh, they did. I, I thought I read somewhere that nothing in the regular line was going away, but they were retiring the cast war mammoth. And I said, Oh, good. Yeah. Good. I hope that was away from the rules. It shouldn't be in the rules anymore. I mean, screw you, but I get it. Like, I love that big for five years. Oh, it's been longer than that. It's been close to 10. Like what I'll say is this, I love that model. And I, and I was looking forward to building like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, yeah, that's fine. It's, it's too big on too big of a base. It's silly. It doesn't need to be that like, if you're telling me you want a new version of it, fine. I would fully support that. I'm 100%. I would, I would have, I would have loved if they would have made like remade it or like, or remastered the, the mulled because I even liked the old skull. I know you did not. I did not, I think it's just a big giant piece of ugly resin. Like the Moo, mac was such a more elegant sculpt right? The original Sculpt actually had like meat to it, like that's what I loved about it is like, I guess it was blocky, but I loved just the massive size like you felt that when you saw it on a table. Sure. On its 280 by 210 mil base. Have a good time not moving that anywhere. No, I don't disagree. Make a new version like I'm not saying I hate the concept of the warm ameth. Obviously it's a super cool idea. I love that. I love the Moomac in Lord of the Rings. I love the concept of the idea of a bunch of marauders riding around on a giant chaos elephant. That's super cool. Right. Just let's stop pretending like this 10 year old model is in any way gettable except from like recasters. Or you're not just putting Moomacs on giant bases. That's what everybody's been doing. Just get rid of the scroll if you're not going to make a new one. It doesn't need to be around. I understand that. How much do I reckon the start collecting will be? I don't know. I mean start collecting has traditionally been capped at $100. This could be more. That seems like a hell of a deal for $100. I'm going to say $105 or $110. Sure, which I'm still saying like, okay. Yeah, sounds like a good deal to me, man. So yeah, I hope it's $100. I think $100 would be a perfectly square deal for that. But you might be right, Tom. Yeah, we'll see. All right. Oh, some people asking for a new Hell Cannon. I mean, obviously Tom and I would support the new Hell Cannon. Yeah. Who doesn't love Hell Cannons? Yes, I'm down with that. I mean, I have to. Fated. Oh, the leak. Okay. Somebody said the leak said $95. Well, hello. What? I didn't see any. My leak, I didn't have numbers on it. But boy, oh boy. I don't know if I believe that. I mean, maybe. It would be amazing if it was. And yes, since it's been asked multiple times, I will, I will state it that yes, there is also endless spells. They are getting endless spells. We do know that for sure as well. One, probably an 8-pointed Chaos Star. I would assume so. Yeah. Yeah. There'll be an 8-pointed Chaos Star. Oh, maybe they'll have a giant version of Archeon Sword. Maybe you can summon a mythical version of like the King Slayer, the Slayer of Kings, right? I wonder if it has more than Ren too. Sorry. Absolutely. All right. Somebody, oh, Bjarni saying the Warriors and the Knights in those look monopos, probably not different weapons, I reckon. I don't know. I mean, I know they have some options in the kit, but I imagine like most of their kits these days, they're relatively, you know, monopos-ish, but sure. I mean, things aren't, it depends what you mean by monopos. Like, do they allow for some weapon swaps and head swaps and stuff like that? You know, I mean, I heard that they were pushed to bed. Sure. The world of like a torso and two arms and two legs you glue on or whatever. I mean, that's just not the world we live in anymore. Right? That's not what we're doing. No, no. If you like that world, that world is gone. Yeah, that's not the world we're in anymore. You have to work harder to convert. You can still convert any of this stuff. Like, it's fine. You just got to work for it a little more. Like, by the way, just gluing a different arm on. I'm not sure that was incredibly fulfilling converting anyways, but, you know, whatever. Sure. So, oh, Cinderfall is, look at this Cinderfall dropping some hot info. So apparently the generic chaos demons are STD keywords, Velikor, Soulgrinder, etc. are all in the book. What? Yeah, about that. That's a model. You and I talked about that. That's a model I'd love to see a new sculpt up. Talk about models. Forget the stupid elephant. Get rid of him. Like, on the new model train, I would put Velikor and the Soulgrinder way before it. Because the Soulgrinder is such a cool concept, but he's, like, untenably big because he's on that pipe plate base. And he's an 8-inch move walker or whatever, you know? Imagine, like, an updated Velikor, like, in the vein of, like, the bloodthirsters. Sure. Sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I would be in for that 100%. Oof. Like, new Velikor would be amazing. He was always, like, the coolest dude. And that fig was super awesome even back then. I mean, it's showing its age now, obviously. Yep. But, like, yeah, 100%, I would support that. Yep. I mean, I paint, I love painting my Velikor. I have a metal one, and he's great. Yeah. So, okay. I'm glad to hear the, you know, things like the Soulgrinder shown up in there. I have a soft spot in my head for that dumb war machine. It's so silly, but I really do love it. I just hope it gets some rules. Like, even that battalion that was in the much maligned sort of Celeski article made them, you know, decent. Like, when they have a three-up save and hit all their shooting attacks on threes, they actually, like, weren't terrible. How weird. Weird. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. I think we might be doing something wrong. Sure. Sure. If you're going to pay a lot of points for a giant piece, it shouldn't do everything on a four and have very few attacks. This seems like kind of basic stuff, so I'm glad to see we're cottoning onto that rule. I mean, the important part here is that a lot of these models are getting, and rules even, are going to get touched for the first time since the originally AOS launch. Yeah. Yeah. Like, these are all models running on 15 rules. That's a good call. So, as Gilles said, how also would it be to have a new bellicor and new demon prince? Like, that would be a great dual kit. Like, that would be a very obvious thing. It could go 40K or AOS. Yeah. Talk about another kit that, like, is fine, but is showing its age, the demon prince kit, right? Yeah. Yeah. And, like, making generic demon princes and converting your demon prince model, let's face it. That was like, that was the thing that defined your KS army in past editions, right? Yup. Because, like, converting and making unique demon princes was always one of the most fun things you could do. So, yep. All right. Calm down. Calm down. Any other thoughts we have on slaves to darkness? Nope. We've went 30 minutes on that. That's pretty good. All right. I mean, it's worth it. I could probably do another 30 more of just random thoughts. But time will tell. I mean, we're going to see more information on this pretty darn soon. So, I can't wait. This weekend, we had a bunch of events. Yes, we did. One of the, we were at one and we're going to talk about it here tonight. That's what the show is going to be about. And we're, but also Blood and Glory was this weekend. That's where the announcements were for Holy Havoc or for Holy Havoc for the slaves in our misreveals. The, as I mentioned, kind of at the top of the show, a hollow heart list took home Blood and Glory. So, watch out for them alpha striking, teleporting, shooting, spellcasters. Yeah. It was funny, too, because in the fifth round, did you see what the matchups were on the top three tables in round five? So, it was, you know, the city's list was on table one, right? So, that was, I'm pretty sure it came down to, was it Tom versus Russ? I don't remember who the final table was, but Tom Mosley, which I'm probably butchering his name, and I apologize, Tom, but he did a great job piling that city's army. He had a cool list, too. I really liked it. It was hollow heart, but it wasn't like ultra ridiculous spam. It was just a really smartly built list, right? Yeah. It was kind of like the list you would, you know, not exactly, but it was in the vein of what you were kind of tossing around, too, right? Like, you don't go all in. It was just using a lot of smart pieces. He had a sorceress. He had a battle mage. He had the loop. He had the hurricane or Luminar. He had one of the two. Anyways, that kind of stuff. You don't overcommit. You do enough. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And so that was like table one. And then table two was a slanesh mirror match. Yeah. And table three was a slanesh mirror match. Of course it was. But I saw slanesh in its all of its ugly glory this weekend. And it was, it made me thankful that I did not run a slanesh army like Vince had begged me to at the beginning of the year. Yeah. Now we'll talk about it because we're going to, we're going to go through our games kind of talk about it. I did have to run, you know, a thousand points of my slanesh since that was the commitment for this. I built the whole army and did everything ostensibly in my display board and everything for this tournament. Like this is what I plan for all year. But they're on the shelf now. And while we're discussing slanesh, there was one other thing and discussed. Yeah. Big news. Big news out of blood and glory preview was there is an FAQ coming in December. And that FAQ is going to actually have balance adjustments in it. Yeah. And points. Yes. Points and balance. But the point is, it's like, there's been a lot of questions about, well, are, are, are they going to, you know, they had said we're going to use the FAQs to sort of balance unbalanced things. Right. But then the last one we saw didn't really do that. Right. And so people started to wonder, like, Oh, is that really a thing? Well, the answer is, yes, that's really a thing. They said we're going to, we know slanesh is off kilter. It will be addressed in this, in this release or in this FAQ. Sorry. So there you go. So yeah, I mean, I agree. Like, you know, you know, when we were, when I was piling slash, we did lose a game to, to, to Hey, well, and Mr. Mephisto, who were piloting beasts and, and, and BCR. So clearly. Clearly nerf. Clearly nerf ogres nerf ogres. That's right. Nerf beats the chaos and ogres. Is that what we're saying? Yeah. Let's ignore the fact that, like, there was no models left on the table because, because I had went on a murder spree. And we had two turns to play through. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about it when we get to the game. Okay. So I'm very glad to hear that because it means my, my slanesh are on the shelf. I'm not going to play with any games, but maybe it means that I'll actually be able to play them next year. Wouldn't that be nice? So that's cool. Yeah, there you go. There were, what was great was there were ogre army. I do love Steve's tournament because there were actually ogre players. They're using mall tribe. So we got to see it in action. I saw a painted mall pot on the table at the event. Think about that. Sure. Sure. They picked it up that night at like Friday night. Like, you know, painted it that night, put it on the table Saturday morning. I don't see the problem. It's just these trains, not that hard. Yep. Now we had a bunch of, like there were tons of ogres and orcs at the event and we'll talk about it. Like it was insane how many were actually at the event. Yeah. And by the way, it looked like every one of those games was awesome. Like I know the one we played in was awesome. I enjoyed the, I really enjoyed the BCR playing against like the BCR and those stone horns, the ethereal stone horn is, it's a scary piece. Like it's powerful. It's a hard to crack nut. It is. So, you know, being on an ethereal three up and then a five up after save is a no joke. So. True. Okay. And, and yeah, it's great because we actually got to see when we were sitting there playing the, the murder stone horn, the murder horn was on the other table to our right being piloted by the Lord of Death. We were fighting the crunch horn and the murder horn was being piloted by Brennan and apparently the murder horn, you know, killed like 60 savage orcs and a bunch of goblins, much grots. Yeah. Yeah. So murder horn is pretty good. I hear we'll talk about it on the review. All right. Yeah. So cities took blood and glory, which was great. I mean, I think they're a contender, even outside of hollow heart. There was a lot of cities lists. I think people are still unlocking it. It's a tough book to unlock because there are so many options. It's overwhelming. Yes. But I imagine we'll see some duplicity lists of Tom's build in the months to come. But I hope people keep pushing themselves to find other stuff. I think there's a lot of tech in there. Oh, agreed. Agreed. Yeah. All right. Did we have any other news? I think that's all the news. We had a wing, a mechanical wing rumor engine. Oh, yes. It's Spirers for Necromunda. Oh, okay. So there used to be a faction in Necromunda called Spirers. Like those who climb Spirers. Sure. Right. Climbers, but Spirers or whatever. And their leaders had like kit bashed wings. So that's my guess. That tech looked very like, you know, kit bashy, 40K-ish, Necromunda, e-tech. So that's what I'm assuming it is. Nice. Could it be anything else? Sure. But I think Spirers are a good call because they've been slowly rolling out all the Necromunda factions. Yeah. That would make sense. So yes, I assume that's the rumor engine picture. Sweet. Cool. All right. So Tom, pick of the week, man. What do you got for people? Yeah. So mine's going to be a little bit depressing, but I'm going to do it. So there was an individual that was predominantly in the 40K community, but he was here in the AOS community as well. Or he at least played Scaven. And he passed away recently. He was a 37-year-old, 37 years young. And he wrote a final blog just to kind of reflect on the hobby, reflect on his time invested. The blog's title is totally worth it. And I want to invite you all to go and read it. It's a little bit of a tear-jerder. It's quite humorous as well, but he's just kind of reflecting on his own journey and life and the hobby and what it's meant to him and the joy it's brought and just some wisdom and reflections that he's had on his own kind of journey. And yeah, it's good. It's good. So I want to share that with the community. I saw it bounce around Twitter and I thought, yeah, it's worth sharing. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's heavy stuff. But it's amazing. I completely agree. I have nothing of value I can add to that other than to say you should read it. Yes, absolutely. All right. Well, mine is not for a lighter taste. I'll flip over to the lighter side here. I would like to recommend. So for those who are a fan of Minniac and his channel and the things he does, I don't know that everybody knows that he started a new podcast with our buddy John, John Nias, who's a great guy. And so Scott and John are doing a podcast called Trapped Under Plastic. And it's a lot of fun. They're doing YouTube and all your normal podcasty apps. And they really touch on some really fun topics. I think that are pretty cool. Like their topic this week was is social media ruining miniature painting? And, you know, ultimately they, the conclusion is, well, I won't spoil the conclusion, but it's a, it's a cool discussion. It's a lot of fun. I think they make a really good, they have a really good rapport with each other. And it's definitely worthwhile. Listen to it's great for while you're painting stuff like that. So they put out a new episode every other Monday. It's on its own channel. It's not on Minniac's channel. It's actually on a Trapped Under Plastic channel. So I will, both the article that Thomas referencing and their podcast will be linked in the description below. So we can't link into the comments here because YouTube doesn't allow that for whatever silly reason. It lets me now. Oh, it lets you link? Okay, cool. Yeah. It may be, why would it let you do that? It's been letting me link recently. I don't know why. I'll just take it. Okay. Maybe it sees you. Maybe I somehow made you also some kind of administrator. I don't know. That's fine. Whatever. So yes, but we'll also put it in the description. So, and hopefully we're going to get Scott on interview with the artist sometime as soon as well. So that'll be fine. Scott's just a great guy. He's so super nice. And so is John. And it's just a great podcast to listen to. So there you go. Hobby time, man. You finish your night hunt. The event is over, Tom. Your ghosts were there. They did show up. They did show up. I knew it was them participating in games that I was winning. It's true. I'm just messing with you. No, I actually had a really good like I like the way your list played. It was fun. But also the number of times you were landing that fight in the charge phase was just was insane. It was insane. That writer's change is so big. Yeah, like to me it was killing the ethereal Velosta in the charge phase that really like cinched it for me. I was mostly impressed by the black coach. Like I thought it did way better than I thought it would. Yeah, I think we'll talk about this a little bit, but I agree. So my hobby time, I'm putting chain rafts together. Okay. More ghosts, huh? Yeah, so I may just double down. Okay. Instead of going cities for my upcoming events the rest of the year, I may double down and go full night hunt. I'm really I'm really chewing on it. I'm going to change my death writers list a little bit. I liked it. I liked what it was doing. But like obviously like playing locally with test games and playing in a tournament setting, you know, in blind matchups and stuff like that. It's just a different experience, a different event. And it's a different set of data that's gathered. And I, yeah, I have some other ideas that I want to explore. And so I'm building chain rafts right now. That's the answer. I mean, it's interesting because I thought things like your hex rates were good when you used them well. There were sometimes where you made some decisions with them that I wasn't, you know, like as on board for. Let me just say it that way. Well, let's let I'll say it this way. I think they actually were are terrible as a hammer. I don't know. I think they're okay. I think they're a very good hammer when buffed against the right targets, but they're not a universal hammer. They're not hurt. Yeah, I would agree that. They're not, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, but in general, they're a limited hammer. I actually think they're way more interesting. And this was the game that you weren't at. I look forward to talking about. They were way more interesting as a anvil. Sure. Because the ability to hold something with their ethereal save and then retreat out of combat doing mortal wounds. Like regen models, retreat out of combat doing mortal wounds. And then, you know, basically setting up an opening a gap to charge with something that's that has more punch. Yeah. Yeah. It worked really well. In fact, sure. Sure. So my hobby time has been non-existent. I played the game this weekend. My army went home with someone else. I didn't even, you know, because I was going to the airport. I played four out of the five games that tournament that the TO was very nice to have a ringer stand in and be Tom's partner for game five, which was awesome. Thank you, Tanya. I really appreciate it. It was great. We appreciate her helping out. And it was funny too, because she showed up with a death army and I was like, oh good, Tom will finally have a death partner. That's nice. Yeah. She played FEC and she's a great job. Yeah. So, and then I've been here all week. So my hobby time has been non-existent, which sucks. I am very much, I've just been, you know, like going to bed at night thinking about the next things I need to do with Larissa back at home. Like she's on my desk and I'm just thinking about finishing her up and then getting to the next city's units and so on and so forth. So next week should hopefully be, I'll have some time to hobby this weekend and I can't wait. I have been away from the brush far too long. So, yeah. So let's do a quick, we're going to do a quick holy habit recap. Like I said, this will be a shorter one tonight. Ma tribes will be next week and then we'll do Bone Reapers the week after that. But just so everybody knows. But so this week I wanted to do, kind of talk about holy habit. So holy habit is run by Steve Herner and the holy hammers. So, you know, including Jason Vargas amongst many others. There's a lot of people who make that happen, including Steve's wonderful wife, who is awesome and is just like truly, truly wonderful. And what she does to support the event and Steve and everything. The event is awesome. It's for charity. It's for a local charity that helps the homeless. And this was a huge, huge event like Steve Rose, a ton of money. And I was thrilled at what was able to be done. It's one of the most fun events I play in all year, not only because it's a team tournament, but also just because the way he does it. He allows grudges all five rounds. You can pick your fights and your tables. It's a very different event. It's very hobby focused. There is a competitive prize, of course. And by the way, people play super hard for it just to point that out. Like it's fascinating. His tournament is one with like six awards. Five of them are basically hobby and sports based and one is competitive. And yet people play super hard for that one trophy. Tooth and nail for that one trophy. And it's fascinating. Because one of the changes he made when he went to the all grudging, it was a great change he made last year. Was that going in from day one to day two, he posts all the points very publicly. So that if you want that trophy, you have to go hunt the other top point earners. So if you want to guarantee that the best way to earn that going into day two is to hunt the other top tier tables. Like anybody else that's at the top tables. Right. So if you beat them, you basically rocket yourself into pole position and make it very hard for anyone else to catch you. Right. Unless they then hunt you the next round. Right. Some other group, yes. And so that is, so it's so the the the field sorts itself. Right. Is what I want to play super hard. Do that. Those that don't just end up, you know, playing the games as they want to. Yep. Exactly. It's an incredibly fun event. Steve has famously amazing tables. He introduced two new tables in this event. The temple of Sigmar, which was a murder thong and the both of them were and the brass fortress, which is what Tom had donated when Tom donated his entire hell fort to Steve, who painted up and did an awesome amazing lava field table that was incredible. Yeah. And both of like, you are playing not only your opponent in these games, but you are playing the table. Because the tables are massive, full of a lot of terrain and very impactful terrain. Terrain that does wounds that cannot be negated by any means effectively. And lots of them. They're called holy wounds. Yeah, holy wounds. Yes. They're like super mortals. And there's no stopping them. So just like things die a lot. It's brutal and great for all that for all those reasons. Yeah. So yeah, there are just some really, really great unique experiences with the tables. Interesting ways to play with them. Like some of the tables have elements that are really like you have to discover. The game we played against Haywoh and Mephisto, I agree. It's one of my favorite tables because sort of the way that you interact with the elements on the table is very relevant to your victory and stuff like that. So it's a lot of fun. The pillar of murder, yes. All right. So Tom, let's talk through these games. So we did play a little pregame against Chuck and Matt. So Mr. Strength Hammer himself the night before. That was a fun game. That was a little precursor. But we'll skip that because we played them in the tournament as well. So game one. You want to walk through that? So obviously you were playing Knight on and I was playing Slinash. There you go. I had Death Rider's list. So not unlike the list that I had trotted out at 2K the other week. But it was obviously a lot lighter on bodies and on horses. And then Vince was playing a 14 model Slinash list. Ten of which were completely irrelevant. Ten of which were just mobile chaff. There were four models of value in that army. That's real. That's true. So the first game was against Dan and Nick. Dan is one of my, it was a very special game. Vince has played them before. Dan is one of my best friends. Dan and I grew up together. Dan is the one, as Dan would claim, he made me. Dan got me into all things gaming related. Both magic and D&D and all that back in middle school. And recently him and Nick had started playing Warhammer. And they kind of stumbled upon our content. They're like, and Nick was like, is this you, Tom? And Dan's like, yeah, that's all. So then they came over and since they live in my town, obviously they've come over and joined kind of my normal Saturday night club. So I've had them over the house many times for our weekly club game. So I've actually gotten to play them several times. I've never rolled dice with them though. And so we got to roll dice. Dan ran Sylvaneth and Nick ran Fire Slayers, both lists of which I helped them put together at some point. And it was good. It was a good game. I lined up on Dan's Sylvaneth, Vince on Nick's Fire Slayers. Oh, one of those GC multi-wound models. You did. And it was so funny. There were moments. That was my first real experience of Slanesh's bitchiness because I remember looking over at Vince inside the table and being like, well, he's done. Sure. There was a moment where if he had nailed like two long bomb charges, like both of which were 11s, but still it's not impossible. He could have taken out all my heroes. And then I would have been sitting on 50 or 60 to Pravity and had nothing to do with it, right? Right, right. Now, as a point. That's not what happened. That's not what happened. He did not make those charges. He didn't even kill the keeper. And then, and then hell came down on him because then I dumped all the depravity into like a second keeper showed up and a blade bringer, Harold on chariot and a bunch of Damon that's dropped into hit their deployment zone to take an objective. So, yeah. Vince summoned another 800 points. It's not true. If you want to be very specific, I summoned another 610 points that round. That isn't accurate. So Vince summoned another half army on that side of the table. There's 1000 points a game. Yeah. 1000 points. So I increased my army by 610 points. Yes. Dan set up a bunker in front of me of Sylvan S trees and 30 dryads and basically said, come at me, bro. And I did with a chariot that was next to a stone that gave plus one all attacks. Bust by a hero that gave plus one all attacks. And a lot of dryads died. You actually killed like 30 dryads with a black coach. I don't even know what happened. I just looked over and all the dryads were dead. I wasn't. And my first thought legitimately was, oh my God, that black coach is really good. And everybody's rolling. That thing is really good. I mean, that's not what happened. Like we were chipping away with mortal wounds and there were a bunch of like small things here and there that were doing damage to them. But the black coach did double pylon like on the first charge and attacks per profile. It already has like four profiles, which yeah, like it did a lot of damage. Yeah. No, that was that was a good game because yeah, it was very swinging. Like there was a moment there where I was down to very few fakes on the table. And then all of a sudden he was surrounded by slanesh and, you know, things turned. You know, so it's, it's what happens. Like all of his units got locked out by locus and around. And I had a command point or something and it was just like, well, let's, let's get in here and do some, do some, do some of the dirty business. Right. Yeah. And it was their first, it was their first event. But it's not the first time they have played me with slanesh. So like they, they knew the score there. I just mean like they know what slanesh is going to do. They weren't surprised. Right. That was, this was their first event. That was the other piece. So it was a fun. It was fun to get to roll dice with my friends at an event that I, like that I invited them to and, and again, be an ambassador for the, for the game. No, they're great dudes. Their army is really fun. Like Sylvanath plus it's a great team. Right. The Sylvanath plus the, the fire. We had a conversation in the spring. Yeah. He wanted to do fire slayers and, and Dan was looking for something else to do that took to supplement it. Right. Cause they can be very mobile, jump around, take the objectives, you know, do they have bodies, they have magic, they can block up, you know, spaces with terrain and create show points at fire slayers going to be good at like lots of different options. And so they played well. Yeah. And he was playing like the dread wood or whatever it is, the one that has the teleporting, the extra teleporting us to pick up and drop. And he has a really neat combo. Let me like, I'm going to attribute this to Dan completely for those that you don't know. And if you read the throne of vines, by the way, like it stacks. Yeah. Like another one of those buffs that like you can continue to get plus two to cast every turn, like above and above. Like so it goes plus two plus four plus six plus eight because it never ends. And in dread wood, like you can just summon dry ads and then teleport them anywhere on the board. Like every turn. Sure. And so like just pick them up, spend a grand point, pick them up, drop them. And so like you can generate these like objective threatening units every turn. Right. It's a really fascinating tactic that where you're always going to have dry ads, you're always exporting try ads everywhere on the table that they need to be. It's a really new tactic. So kudos to Dan for, you know, for zeroing in on that. So we had a good first game. We put a, and what's interesting is like winning and losing isn't as much of a like thing you can quantify in there. I mean, you can if you get less points, you lose. You win. That is an objective statement. I just mean that like the way the tournament scored, your loss isn't necessarily as debilitating. You can still very much be in the running on a loss because the tournament only scores six points per battle round at two, two, one, one for the four objectives. And so like, you know, you can easily have a four to two or a three to three or a five to, or a five to two. By the way, they don't always total to six because some of the objectives can be actually gotten by both people. They're not usually exclusive. Yeah. Some of the objectives can be gotten by no people. And as a point of fact, I think we had one of the four objectives in the game again, game three with Hay-Woe that nobody got. It was just a straight zero, I think. Yep. I think that sounds right. So it just makes for an interesting scoring because when you lose, you're not like, oh, well, that's it. I'm completely out of the running or anything. Right. It stays, it stays close. So the, the game one, we played those. So then we went to game two. And game two was our actual grudge with Chuck and Matt, who were playing Daughters of Cain. But it was Craith, so don't worry. And it was Craith, so don't worry. Right. And that being said, the most awesome Craith role in the history of Craith roles happened during this game. Yeah. It's true. It's true. Kudos. Kudos to you and your big balls. Indeed. So they were playing Craith Daughters and, and Corridor and Overlords and KO. And the. We played on my table. Played on your table. We played on the, the corn. You know what? Hold on just a minute. I think I have images of all these. Yeah, that's fine. While you're looking, I'll explain some basic things. The nature of this big table was a, the whole fortress was built in the center of the table. And there's one crumbling wall section. And over the course of the game, more of the thing would collapse. But here's the trick. The whole board was basically lava. And if you ran anywhere on the board, anywhere, if you ran, you took a D three plus one holy wounds, which remember our unresistible super mortals. So like, if you're a giant unit of 30 or something, or 60 goblins, sure, you can still run. Cause you don't care. You'll lose like two to four dudes and it doesn't matter. But if you're a foot hero or anything like that, you are not running in this game, right? Because you will just kill yourself. You can just deal four wounds to yourself and die. So how do you at me? You say something in the chat, Martin, and I look down and see you talking. But so we, we, so you can't run. And we were playing a mission. The second mission in the holy havoc tournament is you have to run all of these things. When I say run, I mean like run like this. You have to like get all of these objectives off the opposite side of the board. Right. And like whatever units you give these little tokens to, those units lose fly and can no longer be reset up. So you can't teleport them. Right. They effectively gain like a version of go tracks rule where you can never reset them up and they lose flying. So like you have to be on foot and now you can't run. So everybody's just walking across the board, right? Right. And by the way, here is the, the board that we were playing on. Yep. So you can see that thing was real big in the middle there. Yeah. Right. So the tall, the walls began to slowly fall down. But the challenge here was. Would you say they came crumbling, crumbling, tumbling, tumbling down. They did indeed. Yeah. And, but what ended up happening is it was the end caps that everybody ended up setting up on. So the big lava pools. And at the end of every game round. Yeah. Everything within 12 inches of the lava pits took a D3 plus one. Holy wounds, which spoiler alert, the only safe place in this entire thing is in the dead center by around the Nexus around that. You got to hump the Nexus. Yeah. Everything else on the board is within 12 inches of some lava, meaning that like this board just shreds units. You're, you're five wound heroes. If they're not getting in the middle, they're just dead. They're just dead by round two on numbers. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was wicked. And like, if you ran here, if any unit ran, it took a D3 plus one. So it was just, it was everything just melted so, so quickly. And so a majority of everything, like all the units lined up on the right and left hand sides. And what we ended up doing is like engaging on both of those and sending like a diversion. Like we consolidated numbers on those sides and then redirected a bunch of forces down the middle of the, up through the Nexus as the walls crumbled to get out the other side of the board. Right. Out the middle. Yeah. As everything on the outside melted. Yes. There are other interesting nuances to this one. Like all of those towers are commanding, but they're non-mutually exclusive commanding. So like normally if you, if you have any, you know, as long as you have your general on commanding, you gain a command point as long as no other generals are on commanding. That's not the case on this table. It has a different version of the commanding rule where every tower can be commanding independently, which when you're playing invaders and have multiple generals is pretty awesome. So more command points. I'm all about that. So I want to, but I want to talk about, you can, you can put the picture down probably Tom and bring yourself back. I do want to talk about Chuck's greatest role for Craith in the history of the rules. So, and to explain that, I have to set a thing up here real quick. Yeah. So one of the things that Steve offers as part of the holy event is a charity re-roll. You can buy a die at the beginning of the tournament and the money goes to charity. $20 a person. Yep. And you get a special die that you can use once per game to re-roll any die roll. Any die roll. Including priority. Yep. So it is the, it is the sort of nuclear option just sitting in your, your, your pocket, right? You can use it five times over the tournament effectively. And so it's a very precious, precious resource. Like you want to use it when it's, when it's going to turn the tide, right? You don't want to just throw it away. So the, oh, Shadow of the Ulf. Maw Tribes is next week. Bone Daddies are the week after that. Bone Daddies? So at any rate. So let's talk about Craithworks. Craith, the way it works for those who don't know, and I wouldn't fault you for not knowing because no one except Chuck in the entire world plays Doc as Craith. He is the only person. So the way Craithworks is every time they fight in combat, they roll a die. And if you roll a six, they get to fight again immediately. Okay. Yeah. The problem is it's just a six. So it's actually quite rare that you get to fight twice, you know, so whatever. Don't be a hater, Vince. Don't be a hater. It's fine. Chuck loves it. He runs all his games with Craith. And as we talked about Chuck is playing the lottery. He's like pulling the jackpot or he's pulling the slot machine. Every time he fights in a combat because he's like, am I going to win? Oh, you know, dopamine hit or not? Yeah. He gets that dopamine hit every time. So Tom has shoved his black coach into like 30 witch elves, into the 30 witch elves that Chuck has. I mean, it worked last time. Sure. So Chuck piles in and fights him. And he does some damage, but the black coach is still alive and he's still going to tie down all his witch elves and still do a lot more damage. And so Chuck's like, okay. He rolls, he rolls his craith die and he rolls like a two. You know, something that's not, something that's not a six, right? Yup. And he's like, tournament re-roll. Tournament re-roll. Now anybody who knows odds would know this is the most insane thing you could do with your tournament die, right? Because this isn't actually going to be game winning. He's probably not even going to kill the coach, even if he does roll the 16% chance of getting a six. But that's Chuck. The man goes for it. And he, he rolls the die, gets the six, piles it again, kills the black coach. And I was like, I have never seen that more earned. That was amazing. Yup. We're like, well done. Yeah. I mean, that's a, that is fantastic. That, on the end of the board there, we proceeded to then fight them to a stand still where basically all the units were obliterated. All of ours were. And they were down to like six witch elves and two endring riggers. Yeah. All the warlords that were there died. All the everybody. And then the lava exploded and killed everybody. Yeah. Because they couldn't actually make it across the table to get the tokens off before dying the lava. Right. And then you, my friend, you died, man. Yup. That's what happened. So that was good. Yeah. So that was game two. It was fun. We had a blast. Game three. Game three. It was against Halo and Mr. Meft, both of whom are in the chat right now. They were playing BCR and Beasts of Chaos. So it was the Beastie Beast and the Beastie Boys, if you will. And they, it was a great game. We played on the Reaver waist table, which has this giant obelisk that you can like push around in your movement phase. And when it goes over enemy units, sure, I'll let him bring a picture. When it goes over enemy units, it it does a d6 holy wounds, which is that's a lot. It's a d6 damage that cannot be mitigated in any way. Yup. Like Go Trek, not a winner on, on holy tables, by the way. Yeah. So that giant obelisk that's in the middle there, that's, that's the thing you could push around like three, you push it three in a, you choose a direction and then it goes three, six inches. And each player gets to do it during each movement phase. See, you can see Meft's hand there on the right. One of the first moves they did was to take that warlord that's in the terrain and move it where Meft's hand was. Right. And then we proceeded to nominate the monolith. Like you move it at the start of your move phase. And so at the start of our move phase, we just sent it over Hewo's warlord and rolled the six and killed him outright. So that was an ignoble start for Poor Hewo during the beginning of the game as just that pillar passes and leaves a red stain where his ogre warlord had been. One of his, what, seven models was removed from the table. Sure. He's the only guy who had less models than me, yeah. Yup. And yeah, so then it was just a really fun, it was a really fun game. Yup. A lot of back and forth. Like Meft and Hewo played a lot of killing. There's a lot of killing. Meft and Hewo played a really smart game. Yup. And, you know, it's objective based. Like, I mean, we killed a lot of stuff, but at the end they were killing their own stuff or trying to because there was a particular objective where basically we had to, we had a unit that had to deal wounds to them and they had a unit that had to deal wounds to us. Simplest way to explain it. Yup. And. They got a head on wounds. They got a head on wounds. So Tom had his unit in combat with like two like cast or heroes basically. Yup. It was a unit of 12 banshees. Yeah, sure. And who are terrible and I stand behind that. That's an awful choice you made during this game, Tom. And. Well, let me know which one of your nonhero units was going to do damage for us and get back to me. We could have just used five hatch rates and it would have been better. Anyways. The. The. So the. So the banshees are in combat with these two little foot cast or heroes. And. And. Mepha and AWO. Summon the dread torus and get it off over the. The contorted epitomies dispel. And then proceed to run it over their own. Their own heroes. And then proceed to run it over their own heroes. And then proceed to run it over their own heroes. And then proceed to run it over their own heroes. And. And their own heroes. And your unit. Because it ended up double dipping like. Potcrowd killed your ability to do wounds to them. Through removing. Your units and Understood their own. Woons. Yep. Yup. It was a. It was a great. Great move. Yes. So this. So it was like. Also funny to watch them go all out and murder. Their own people to to rob you of the chance to get that objective. objective which they did by the way they did get it they they held it so that was pretty wonderful the frost lord or sorry the the um yeah frost lord on stone yeah with ethereal as i mentioned earlier was a beast like that guy was so tough i mean i brought i brought a pretty unwounded keeper into him and did like two wounds that was it you know um and on on two pylons or maybe yeah it was one of two pylons the mask did more damage because she just had weight of dice right she was just like sure sure doing that stab and she got like four through back there just sneaking sneaking little claws in his butt um but you know then he proceeded to uh yeah he brought down that keeper uh and then you know kind of jail broke himself out of combat as it were so it but it was good it was a good game it ended and uh it ended three to two in their favor um a very well played game and uh like they they absolutely earned that that w so it was a lot of fun yeah i would play the two of them again any day of the week my my regret is they need to they just live closer to to to me and just so i can be in their normal club because they're two great guys awesome fun to play with k g smart hilarious just it was an absolute blast of a game uh if anything we didn't get far enough in the game as we could have because we were just sitting around laughing the whole time you know which great i'll take that any day of the week and twice on on saturday so there you go uh all right so that was our game three so then that's the end of the third night and uh yeah and by the way i am in no way let me just make something a hundred percent clear nobody slow played somebody made that comment earlier i just want to make sure that i don't people understand that we all played a little slower because we were having such a good time right that's not slow that's just having fun at war hammer the problem is we were rolling dice and then suddenly steve walks by and is like dice down and i was like what the what like like we like it completely caught all of us unaware because we were so into it i seriously did not even notice time passing not once like lance my watch or even think remotely about how much time was right right we were playing and having fun right but like there needed to be voting and a bunch of other stuff and so we had to like wrap it up quick and yeah yep so it's but it was good uh so then that was the end of that day so that we did our game four so here's a fun thing about game four so game four ran 9 30 to 12 30 yep in the morning yep and i had to leave at like 11 30 to go to the airport and so i had scheduled an uber to come get me a little earlier than that because it used to be that when you schedule to ride an uber it would start looking for the car at the time you scheduled well unbeknownst to me they had fixed that feature because i scheduled it for like 11 10 which meant that it actually started looking at like 10 50 because they apparently figured that part out so all of a sudden at like 10 55 i get a message that my that somebody's coming to pick me up so i look and i'm like okay we got 20 minutes so at the start of the game at 9 30 i was like guys i you know we sat down next to our opponents i said look i really apologize here's the deal i've got about two hours to play this game and i've got to leave um i'm going to try to kill you as fast as possible and and we'll just go that way and either you win or we win let's let's just go so yeah and it was just like full throttle slanesha thought like i mean you and i just shut they they went slow the first round because of the fog i mean so i felt bad hold on stop so the way that this scenario was is that you rolled a dice at the start of your hero phase and on a one or two you were slow which meant that everybody's at half movement yes um and they were playing double death they played legion of negash night haunt um so i set a set set up against the legion of negash player who was running a block 40 skeletons some dire wolves uh valazza his warlord and that's it i don't know um he had to have something else um and you set up against a night haunt and he was predominantly running like normal night haunt i think there was a bunch of group some guys from the miniapolis area um and uh uh they were just getting back into a os um from having taken a break uh after uh after the fantasy transition um and so they were given a os another shot and vince basically made them choke on that opportunity no um like no it just didn't help like they pushed up off the line like three inches they they ran everybody but that just meant that they moved like we were starting like 24 inches apart maybe yeah and they moved up like a solid six inches for us um and everything in mine has like a 15 inch move because of like the pendant and i have high move and so i set up on like three inch charges and then just jam like everything i have down the dude's throat and and blow up like i i take the block of skeletons down to like 11 skeletons or something like that um and so the valazza can't easily get into combat and he's not pulled into combat well we actually write it yeah like we you and i both put all of our power pieces into the one person right which meant like you like i picked off i went through blew through his direwolves then blew through his morgast and then like and then you landed oh morgast that's the other thing yeah yeah and you killed the skeletons and then we then we all double charged his his well that's what what happened is like the yeah and so then like he brought his uh valazza over and hit my warlord and killed him outright which is great um because that needed to happen um and then but like and started shooting through my hexes so i was down to like i don't know a couple hex rates oh no he didn't shoot through the hexes he just hit the world and then it went to our turn um and i was like i need help over here and what ended up happening was the table ticked and pulsed and did uh holy wounds like in the area we were in and killed out the rest of the skeleton unit which freed up all my hexes and so i asked you to summon a keeper because i needed a locus on my side so you summoned a keeper and then basically we went about like set about to like uh eiffel tower the valazza correct with basically everything like i popped up all my my like my other five hexes that we're going to charge and and but i dropped like an 11 and 10 in charge and you 11 and 10 and already moved hold on yeah and i had already moved like i already moved like because the hexes were so close i moved over them with all eight hexes and then came back um and dropped like three or four mortal wounds on that and then i landed like an eight and a 10 inch charge or a 10 and 11 inch charge on the black coach and the remaining eight hex rates and they killed him in the charge phase before vince ever got to roll charge roll yeah so night haunt op because you blew through it i didn't even get in the fight it was it was a fast game it was really fun i i hope we did they they were super cool dudes i they were super cool yeah and you know i i hope they had fun the night haunt player still had a lot of stuff on the board but like you know at that point it was kind of obvious because we had gone ahead on so far on like most of the objectives like because the objective was on that side of the table and we had our whole armies around it we had killed their warlords so our warlord already had the objective concealed for that stuff like that so they were like no we're cool to call it because i know you gotta go i packed up threw everything in a bag packed everything up shook their hands like they were super nice i i hope to get a like a full length you know relax game against them someday because i do hope they come back to the events they were both great guys they had super cool armies um i really liked playing them and i hope that they can like i hope to do it for real like in a full length game and um uh and we uh and then i like walked outside as the uber pulled up and got in the car so that was it for me and then game five what happened tom you'll have to tell me yeah so you can put so like because we've been staring at the the monath this whole time oh sorry yeah so i matched up with uh with tanya um and we had a uh we were on the arachna rock table so i didn't match up with tanya tanya uh joined um joined me for game five i'm looking to see if i have any photos of it um i don't see it i so tanya was playing a fleshy record she was like hey i'll play um uh gristle gore and so she was running gristle gore and which meant but like a uh a like avarant ghoul king on terror guys like couldn't be the general it had to be the warlord but luckily that ability still works on heroes i and so uh she so she ran out as a gristle gore general had a terror guys had a terror guys with avarant ghoul king and then two two tenors of uh of ghouls um and so we actually set up really heavy on the left side and we played a dual corn army um and it was like all of the mortals of corn just like all of them so they had like tons of bodies yeah well no no actually that's the interesting thing so they had like they had the one the one uh and gentlemen had the blood crusher battalion yeah hold on one second so yeah thank you steve it was mike and and kevin game four so thank you mike and kevin for both being very generous with your time for understanding when i had to leave early i am eternally grateful of that they were awesome sports and i'm sorry that i that we had to to rush it that's never fun if i had any other choice if i didn't have a plane i had to catch i would have absolutely done otherwise so i am very sorry gentlemen yeah vince is terrible um so uh yeah i don't have photos of the game unfortunately um so we uh so we set up and um i i wish i knew their names i'm blanking i'm sorry folks it's getting late um so corn and corn so one was a so corn and corn yeah so so one was super like heavy um into uh the blood the skull crushers there we go uh and actually hold on just a minute you're killing me your ability to multitask is seriously not it's just it's just it's not present it's the opposite of a thing of a thing it's just the world that i'm in right now it's okay my brain's not working um here we go i don't know what's going on what is going on with this okay here we go uh share screen here we go so this will help me talk through what what i'm thinking okay so we set up like super heavy on the left side as you can see um one of the uh one of the hallmarks of this uh board is uh or this scenario is that your um you choose two heroes from your army so it's not one hero now vince is two okay you choose one from each of your like groups so one hero from each player gets put in jail and you just have to get one of your heroes within three inches of of the the people in jail and then they unlock okay so you have to put two bigs in jail where they can't act or be affected in any way so if you look on the bottom if you look at like sort of the bottom left of the picture you'll see the two yeah where tom's mouse is thank you you'll see that the enemy armies two heroes that they decided to put in jail and the dice mark the edge of the jail you can't go in and fight them you can't hurt them nothing can't hurt them you can't go in okay and but they can't do anything either they're just locked away there until their army gets close enough with a big enough unit to unlock them right right and so uh if he put karnak they put karnak and uh a blood stoker in jail nobody puts baby in a corner put in karnak in jail that is unacceptable we put my warlord and her uh aberrant gulking on terrageist so i followed the tradition vince of putting our most valuable pieces in jail because i couldn't put like my my uh my black coach in the oh uh you can't see the aberrant gulking over here on terrageist because he was afraid of bumping the model off the table sure i think his name was uh nate nate uh nate didn't want to bump him off got to see us nate and dan awesome yeah nate and dan and so they were over here and so basically they were playing corn they had a blood thirster he had some corn demons a bunch of dogs had some blood crusher or the blood crushers and then the player other players playing mostly mortals he had a bunch of the battalion with that like you do mortals on charges and stuff like that and so uh our objectives were to uh like hold this uh like objective you had to like uh these little green crystals were randomly assigned to units and you had to like kill model you had to kill the units warlords could only attack those units etc etc so there are a bunch of different things all going on and so we loaded like super heavy on the left this is one of those scenarios that it's not mutually exclusive so like you can um you can both free your your people in jail and both get that objective like the main objective in the scenario and so i lightly guarded uh we lightly guarded the jail we set up super heavily over here um we put a little uh like a token unit of ghouls over here to likes kind of screen um and to collect green tokens they sat in both boundaries but largely we were over here and so basically we gave them turn one and they very cautiously like buffed and set up and shimmied some screens and stuff like that and then basically just said go and i was like oh i see how it is oh and relevantly hold on i want to i want to explain one interesting thing real quick yeah if everybody sees that giant arachnorock spider in his nest in the middle of the table what's relevant to understand here is that on this table that giant spider every round lashes out and just does like ungodly amounts of holy wounds to everything in a massive radius around him a d six holy wounds ten inches that's a big radius on that terrain piece yes yep and so what he did was um they kind of shimmied around and then what happened is is that we kind of shimmied around and we pushed the ghouls up behind the rock the one screen to to create a like a screen to and to force only two blood pressure to be able to come through there um with a big tear guy sized hole in the back um and then the uh my uh my 10 hexes served as a as an anvil over here and basically just prepared to take the charge we plinked away at wounds over on the bloodthirster using some of the table features and stuff like that until basically like they went we went and then we summoned 20 more ghouls over here so like we were going to hold that objective and start scoring and turn two and they knew that they couldn't hold back anymore but they were going to have to come across the table um and I mean they had the mobility and the punch to do it um so my hope was that our line could hold and what ended up happening was they came across um and in at the top they won initiative they came across the top of two um and they sent like the the three crushers and the bloodthirster into the hexes the uh two uh crusher or the two yeah the two juggernuts into the not crushers the juggernuts and the other two juggernuts by the way these are like thunder test conversions they were beautiful um into the 10 ghouls killed just enough to like open a hole for the terror guys i think you mean and so conversions like like uh oh no i'm sorry they're rinox yeah that's what they were they're rinox anyways um and what ended up happening is they came across and hit us and then and like drilled or like ground my hexes down to like uh three models i think that sounds right four models down to four models um and he had always strikes first on the bloodthirster so just feeling really confident um and i felt you know you know i i felt for him um but basically what happened is is when we've given the tokens of bloodthirster and so um right when he like felt super confident about where he was at they came in killed all but like four hexes um killed a bunch of the ghouls over on the the side we countered that uh by like i pulled the hexes out of that spot um across their field into the midfield and like by the way i regent uh a d3 models as well because that's something the black coach does it doesn't regen a d3 wounds worth of models it just regents a d3 models which when you use that on hex rates is actually like really valuable so i jumped from like four to seven models um and then retreated all those out over top did a bunch of mortals to the um i did like five mortals to the bloodthirster on that retreat um and then she count uh and then uh tanya countercharged him with her always strikes first gristle war general that was our warlord um which she was clearly going to strike first and win that fight uh the other thing that i did here was um i shot the uh the black coach 23 inches across the table to right here um because it starts at a base 14 i auto ran i rolled a six on the run and i added three from the pendant of the fell win which was pretty sexy um and i also i had my harbinger that was hiding over here and he teleported they left a little hole right here and unlocked both the warlord and the uh like they were thinking on teleports um that i wasn't going to be able to fit the five hex race i had or the 10 uh or the 10 uh chain gas and the or the yeah the chain uh chain rafts and they were right but i could fit a single 50 mil by 25 mil base cap base um and so i plunked it right down next to the terror guys to unlock to then my warlord unlocked and they could immediately move in charge and they basically deleted most of the back line and so by the bottom of two we had wiped out two thirds of their army um because the terror guys won its fight uh we won our and then i dropped the five hexes as well and charged and attacked in the hero or in the uh the movement phase or the charge phase uh so killed the jugs that had charged killed the bloodthirster killed all like a blender lord that was back there uh and killed like two sets of dogs um it was a brutal counter punch um and it just really highlighted the the value of mobility and how that like night hot doesn't grind like other armies grind nice um yeah so and we ended up uh uh getting max on that so actually ironically we ended up maxing four of our five games vince and i did um and we ended up uh we ended up uh playing uh and so the only points we lost actually worked to joe and uh to andrew there you go there we go uh and so we we ended up taking fourth overall yeah yeah it was great um i and just some quick notes on holy havoc and holy wars um it's moving location you can go find information on that uh get on the waitlist it's worth it uh waitlist space often's open often opens up uh yeah there you go there's a picture of our our board with all them yeah and for those that hadn't seen here's vince's beautiful board um you can't see it real well but this is covered in ghosts but it is covered in a lot of ghosts uh yeah yeah i i didn't have a chance to get the uh purple sun out i was sad i had it there though just in case i i cannot recommend these events enough if you get there and yes i did bring three keepers to a 1k event i could obviously only play one i only had one in my list but you never know what you're going to summon you know you got to be ready um so but it was it was really great uh i cannot recommend this event enough it is a singularly excellent and awesome experience there are no other events like this if you can make your way to the greater chicago land area you know pervill specifically is where it'll be now um for either the singles the holy wars which just happens in uh like late winter early spring how we wanted to find it end of February basically um the it's a absolutely fantastic uh event if you can make your way to the doubles for holy habit which happens you know there at the end of october early november uh do it just you should do it um there's it you know there were so many people who were there for the first time i hope to see all those people back um it's wonderful it's such a great community everybody is so nice it's hobby focused it's engaging in a way that so few tournaments managed to hit because everybody is so dialed in the level of hobby the level of sports the community the tables everything is banging on all cylinders steve is an awesome to you it's yeah and and i like two other shoutouts that i want to make real quick um one is it is like at the core of it it's about charity um this was the fifth year of the holy events um and steve had said that over the this year alone we raised for uh over three thousand dollars um and over the last five years uh the holy events have raised over ten thousand dollars for charity yep which is awesome yeah it's uh it's amazing so like um it is it has one of the best raffles i've ever seen um where you basically are incentivized to like bring a box of models to give away and so a lot of people bring like clay impacts or various things old books and uh and you know infantry boxes and stuff like that and then uh you can buy raffle tickets and all the raffle proceeds go to charity yeah and tom bought twice as many tickets as me and won half as many prizes this is true over almost 400 tickets were purchased this year i believe it totally worth it it was amazing stuff on that raffle like people's generosity is incredible and um and i'm i'm excited for my Scourge Runner chariot and my gore more of a war to add to my beast army and uh Scourge Runner for the city's army so that was fantastic you're welcome it's funny too because before hand you were like oh i love that objective box because that's just like good basic material and that ended up being what you won yeah that's what i won yeah it's so funny i uh it's i like i was like i went up hoping for like some of the other stuff and like the like that's what was left so i got it everybody by the way vent you you like owe me because everybody was telling me to take either the daughters of cane book or the plague bearers like like i had 60 people in a room cheering me on to take either the daughter's book or the plague bearers and i got you a Scourge Runner chariot well thank you you're welcome i do appreciate that tom you're a good friend i thank you for not giving me plague bearers i don't know what to do with that besides just say i guess you can keep them the best part about it was that they were the plague bearers that i donated you would have got your own raffle back had you done that so you know i've been so funny and by the way uh the other thing i want to do honorable mention too this is um it's a thanks to the community the holy i have a community that was there uh we were honored to be awarded the the uh the fan favorite uh army yeah so on saturday night on votes um uh vent and i were were uh won that award so we're very thankful for that as well so thank you all it's very meaningful it these events are what i hobby for like when these these two events when i'm working on an army when i'm trying to push myself to the absolute highest level it's this event and the level of hobby that's at this event that is that is pushing me it's in my head um it will up your hobby game just going to them like yeah guaranteed uh because it is inspiring it is challenging it's everything you want an event so yeah and and steve has gotten to the point by the way where like he he is getting rid of tables and so this year they raffled the phoenix the shrine of the phoenix table um i don't know if you knew that events i saw that he was actually yeah that that got raffled uh and it was a great uh somebody who won three other things um and i'm trying to place who was here was it no it was not christian ironically enough uh steve note would know who it is uh i i can't place halt stop ahead uh but yeah so yeah yeah yeah it was uh um yeah it was good it was good so uh you all should check out the holy event if you haven't been uh steve truly is a hobby hero and uh and he's a great dude yep so there you go i think that's gonna bring us to the end tonight uh so thank you to steve thank you to all the holy hammers vargas everybody who helps out thank you to all of you who watch tonight as we recount this let us all celebrate in our new chaos fashion with our new ogroids and our spring saying spring franxes whatever they're called that sweet new cat incredible new chaos warriors uh my god what a way to end the year that'll make 12 books this year a host of incredible new figs like tom when we do the look back show this year i don't even know madness so it's this has been a banner banner year in uh in all ways oh there you go that's cool brandon kenny's partner is the one who won it so thank you to everybody who we played and just everybody at the event who was cool who hung out who rolled dice who ever who uh who just sat around was generally awesome it's great to see everybody uh and i look forward to seeing everybody in again in four or five months at holy wars but for now we thank you all very much for watching we'll be back next week with a maw tribes review as a word of warning that show will probably start kind of late i'm just gonna warn you now but it will happen and and those ogres are sexy i agree like oh my gosh like with that book vince we talked about it like on the drive up and like i almost decided to start an ogre army that's true like i'm not gonna lie like it's um there's a lot there's a lot of good stuff going on in that army yeah so we'll get there ogre time adventure it's gonna be fun for everybody so uh me too will definitely be back on the menu next week but for now we thank you all very much for watching we appreciate it and we will see you next wednesday bye bye everybody