 Um, but anybody, uh, watching the video know that the good day internet version of the show on Patreon contains a great idea for a recipe book and a lot of brown to something guys. Yeah, we are. I'm just not allowed to name any of the recipes. That's, you are banned from the naming process. It's become apparent. That's the best. That's for the best. I think it's between Sarah and the community. I'm trying to think of because I use Greek yogurt and so many things. It's like, what do we got here? Greek yogurt. Oh, what would that be? Greek out. Oh, okay. Got it. See, we went live and suddenly my ideas. I almost said Greeks life, but I think that would have to be Luria's recipe then. Right. Well, I don't know. Yeah, I'll have to give this more thought. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, the, the, yeah. Anyway, the, uh, the whole idea was, uh, we're making a recipe book. Everyone. We're good or for ill semi confident. You will like it. Way to market that. Got a lot of heart. That's for sure. We've got that BD energy. Uh, so nothing breaking. Any questions about the lineup before we go? I just want to remind myself real quick. The quick, quick hits. I, I'm not talking. Correct. Right. We just, we just blaze through that. I mean, that's what I remembered. I just want to make sure. Yeah. I was going to say if the urge hits you and you can't stop, it's fine. I have to talk now. One more thing. And then I'll let it go. Yeah. Hyper loaf. Hyper. What would make it hyper loaf? Would it be like really good? Yeah. Could you put like, um, uh, chocolate covered, um, coffee beans in the, Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Espresso filled. Yeah. Yeah. It's still in testing. My meatloaf does not have any espresso beans in it, but I suppose you can modify the rest. Is it just a lump of meat? Yeah. No, it's got a pork sausage and ground beef and bacon and hot sauce. There you go. For the hyper. Oh yeah. There you go. Put a lot of ketchup on the top. Yeah. Yeah. I could hype it up. All right. Well, if we're good, then, um, we can go ahead and start. Um, is Lane. I know what you're going to ask and I'll do it. Oh, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I know what you're going to ask and I'll do it. Oh, good. Thank you for giving me $100. No, I was going to ask if you would read the opening, what you do. So I think we're good. All right. Here we go. Three, two. Daily Tech News show is powered by you to find out more. Head to dailytechnewshow.com. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, June 26th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane. And we're very excited to have with us today, Ms. Luria Petrucci. You might remember her as Kali Lewis as well. Luria, welcome back to the show. I'm so happy to be here. I missed you. Oh, we missed you too. It's been too long, but you are killing it over there with live streaming pros and geeks life and more to come. Very happy to see that. Thank you. Well, we're going to talk with Luria a little bit about 5G. And whether it's a good for anything or too expensive in a little bit. But our producer, Roger Chang, has put together a fine list of other elements of the show as well. Thank you, Roger. Yes. And you're about to transition to them or segue in a minute. A good producer reminds me that. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Very seamless, guys. The Google Home now Abla Espanol. The Google Assistant has supported Spanish for some time, and is now available through the home, the home mini and the home max after rolling out over the last couple of weeks. Three localized versions of Spanish are available. One for Spain, one for Mexico and one for the U.S. Google is also launching the Spanish enabled smart devices in Mexico starting today. The company announced earlier this year, it would be adding 22 new languages total to Assistant by the end of 2018. Muy bien. Oculus is expanding in Europe, Canada and the UK, opening up online purchases for the Oculus Go and shipping the devices that may have been ordered already bringing the device to over 300 physical stores. Oculus goes first announced back in October and now it's coming to other parts of the world. Apple released the first public beta of iOS 12 for members of Apple's beta testing program. iOS 12 includes new features like group FaceTime, local multiplayer shared AR experiences, new Animoji, even a new Mimoji feature. Apple also opened up a public beta for Mac OS Mojave, which includes a new dark mode redesigned app store, new finder view and more. Let's talk about Wi-Fi. We're finally getting a little update to Wi-Fi security. The Wi-Fi Alliance began certifying products that support WPA3. That's the successor to WPA2. That security protocol has been in use since 2004. So if 14 years of WPA2 is enough, WPA3 comes with additional protections for devices connected over Wi-Fi that make it harder for people to crack passwords. One of the things you could do with WPA2 was pull the encrypted traffic offline and start hammering it with a brute force attack. You will not be able to do that as easily with WPA3. There's also limits of what data hackers can even see, even if they do attempt to crack it. New routers and gadgets that support WPA3 will get these new protections and your older devices could get them as well, your existing devices, if the manufacturer updates it. New devices that support WPA3 also will connect with devices that use WPA2. So if you get a new router with WPA3, you don't have to replace everything else in your house if it works with WPA2. My first reaction was, yay, is my Wi-Fi faster? No. But obviously new protections are great. When it comes to new devices, that's one thing, but the router that I currently use is quite old. We're talking, we're going on a decade, even though it shugs along. I don't hold out a lot of hope that the firmware is going to be updated for this. Well, probably not. Yeah. Probably not the WPA3. Yeah. I mean, Luria, do you feel like running out and getting a new router as soon as these hit the shelves? Obviously, there's a ton of security conversations. Like this year is the year of security across the board. Like everybody's talking about security and privacy and all of this stuff. I don't see this particular thing being something that everyone does. It's going to take years for everybody to kind of move to these new devices, except for Sarah, who's ready to, should have probably upgraded a couple of years ago. But yeah, I think there will be probably a lot of news stories, PSAs, things like that about it. So I see that coming. So more people will probably be aware of it, but I don't know that people are going to be really motivated to do that. And I wish that I could disagree with you, because they should be. And we did have, you know, we had the attacks recently that sort of encouraged people to update their firmware. And I don't even think those attacks, the VPN filter attacks, probably got as many people to update their firmware as they should have. I mean, I was listening to those PSAs in the car and I was like, I mean, even, you know, me, I know the importance of all of it. You know, it was just like, it takes time. We're busy. Yeah. And you should do it. Yes. But you should also floss. And you should not go swimming an hour after you eat. And we all know these things and we break them. That said, it is important. And so, I don't know. I mean, I get what you're saying. I would encourage everyone to take that as a warning and go check your firmware today. But WPA3 is not a firmware update that you absolutely have to have. And so I think you're right. As far as the slowdown of the rollout goes, this isn't even an essential security update that you need to have to protect yourself. I wonder, the last thing I wonder about this before we move on, I wonder if you're going to see the mesh network routers get in on this because one of their advantages is they update your firmware for you so you don't have to think about it, like the eros of the world. So I'm curious if they'll be rolling out WPA3 as well. Haven't heard anything yet. And how quickly ISPs will actually implement their free routers that they put in people's places. Absolutely. I always wondered why the swimming after eating was a thing where no one ever says things like don't pull vaults for an hour after eating or any other exercise. Security protocol. Got it. Mozilla announced it's testing a Firefox feature called Firefox Monitor, which is a security tool that uses Troy Hunt's Have I Been Pwned? If you haven't heard of this database, it lets users search by their email address from within the browser and possibly set up alerts if your account might be compromised. Firefox browser will let users know the extent of the personal data exposed and offer tips on how to secure their accounts if there's an issue. The Firefox Monitor tool rolls out next week to around 250,000 users. One password is also integrating the Have I Been Pwned database into the breach reports feature of both its web-based version and eventually its desktop app as well. Yeah, this is a cool tool because it will allow you just by email address to find out if there's a possible breach. Now, just because your email address is in a breach doesn't mean you've been breached. Maybe you were good and changed your password since then, but it's good to know this and having it not only easily available from within the browser, but also being able to set up those alerts will be really cool as well. I'm just bummed because I just switched from one password to last pass, so... You know, I meant to look this up earlier. I felt like last pass had added some kind of database integration before it as well. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have to check on that in a second. After losing its license to operate in London last September, Uber has some good news. A judge has granted Uber a provisional 15-month license. One of the issues was how Uber was monitoring and reporting complaints on the platform and how it shares those complaints to the police in cases when they related to criminal activity. Another issue was if Uber had been trying to evade regulatory scrutiny with that gray ball software, Transport for London said it will, quote, closely monitor Uber's adherence to the regulations and swiftly take action if they fail to meet the required standards. Uber, for its part, said it will, quote, continue to work with TFL to address their concerns and earn their trust. So the short version of all of this is Uber says we're really, really sorry. The court says, all right, you got 15 months to prove you've changed. And TFL says we are going to be watching you very closely during those 15 months. Well, Uber has very little incentive not to play very nicely. It's a huge market in London or was anyway before the whole thing was put on hold. The fact that Uber appealed this is not surprising in the least. I think Uber initially, in its appeal, asked for 18 months, got 15. But that's a year plus. I'm sure there are catastrophes that have yet to be unveiled with any company the size of Uber, but it sounds like for the most part the city and the company are going to move forward. Well, and keep in mind, Uber didn't have to stop providing service in London. Even when London said they were revoking the license, because they appealed, they were allowed to continue to operate during the appeal. So this is very good news for Derek Hozer Shahi, who is basically trying to say, look, we know that the folks under Travis Kalanick did a lot of bad things. We're not going to do those anymore. And they spent most of the court case not defending their past, but admitting, yeah, the company broke the law back then. Here's what we're doing now to make sure that, for instance, they used to allow people to test their eyesight with an app that had not been proven to really be reliable. And Uber is like, we're not allowing that anymore. We got rid of that. We're making them go to an actual eye doctor or provide an eye doctor certificate from the NHS, stuff like that. So they've worked really hard to change that. The Verge reports on a new security camera from Telecom NTT East and startup EarthEyes called AIGuardmen using open source machine learning from Carnegie Mellon. It looks for suspicious movements in a store and then alerts a shopkeeper when it think it's detected it. NTT East admits it's not perfect yet. Acknowledges that common errors include misidentifying indecisive customers. Maybe they seem suspicious, but they just don't know what they want. Or maybe employees restocking shelves. No studies have been done on its accuracy either. NTT hopes to introduce it into 10,000 stores in the next three years. AIGuardmen goes on sale in Japan in July for $2,150 and then $40 per month afterwards. So this feels like it might be a little problematic, yeah? Very problematic. I can see all kinds of problems coming from this. Because you know how we trust our Google Maps or Apple Maps and just drive off the edge of a cliff? Right? Well, we don't, but yes, I know what you mean. We as a royal everybody, silly people, but we trust technology so much. Sometimes that, I think that that could cause a whole lot of like lawsuits of being accused of things and that didn't actually happen with when people get a little power hungry because of that. Well, and I mean, there's so many examples, you know, we could bring up of someone saying, hey, I was, you know, unfairly targeted because somebody, you know, was confused by the, you know, I don't know, something that set them off, but was totally inaccurate and that's completely unfair. What is a suspicious movement? If I know that, maybe I'll try not to do it if I think that the software exists, but otherwise even the company saying, yeah, this isn't, you know, it has a long way to go is like, okay. That's the problem is marketing this and at the same time admitting we don't really know how accurate it is. I mean, on the one hand, I want to say this is a tool like any other tool put in place badly or it can be used well. If used well, you just use it to alert you that like, hey, somebody might be acting suspicious over there, keep an eye and you don't do anything about it except maybe be a little more alert, you know, and stop working on the other thing and keep an eye out. That's no different than just keeping an eye on the cameras in the shop. But if people like you say are going to use this as they're like, well, the computer said that you were doing suspicious. So get out of my store. That can cause a problem, especially when machine learning algorithms have been known to adopt the biases of the data on which they were trained, which can pass human biases right into the machine learning. Yeah, I think on the surface, if you consider this something that could eventually keep someone's eyes being trained on security cameras all the time not to miss anything, great. That saves the step for anybody working in a store because there are suspicious, you know, things that happen in stores. I mean, things get stolen and that sort of thing. So it's not a bad idea. It just seems like, ooh, you know, it's rife with issues until it's working better. The world seems captivated by IGTV. I see lots of people talking about it all over the place, but Instagram is not resting on its laurels. Video calling is rolling out to Android and iOS users. They announced this at F8. It's coming to you today. Let's up to four friends talk together through Instagram Direct. You can even keep looking at other parts of Instagram while you're on the call if you want to browse through Instagram together. Similar web told TechCrunch, it estimates the average time spent per user on Instagram has risen from 29 minutes a day in September to 55 minutes a day now. Instagram also now divides the explore tab by topic and hashtag and also effects from partners like BuzzFeed or Ariana Grande will show up in stories if you follow their account, but they won't show up if you don't. So only the folks you're interested in will add these kind of third party filters and effects to your stories. Luria, I know IGTV is of interest to you in particular. What do you make of all these Instagram moves? Instagram is killing it, to be honest. I don't use Instagram as much as I should. They are motivating me to have to use that platform. I think the killer feature of this particular option is being able to browse while chatting. Huge good move right there. But then IGTV, we're about to kick off an experiment with Geek's Life vertical video across the board. So vertical video and Instagram's options, they're rocking it. I think it's definitely not going to take over YouTube or change YouTube's trajectory, but I think it can make a big impact in the industry. Yeah, and I hear just anecdotally, I don't know if you guys feel the same. People talking about Instagram is the safe social network, is the one they don't mind being on. Safe? Well, safe may be the wrong word, but the one that doesn't bug you, like the one that you're like, you know what, sometimes I just do Instagram because I don't get so angry or upset or et cetera. People do get angry and upset about the other platforms. Yeah. Well, I mean, I know for me, I spend a small amount of time on Facebook just to kind of keep up, but I don't launch Facebook on a daily basis. I launch Instagram five, 10 times a day. And it's usually kind of mindless, oh, I have like a minute to spare type thing, like what are the new photos? I'm not really participated in any live stuff and I don't even really look at all the Instagram stories, but there's a lot of volume there. I know that that's my go-to. If I want to know something about the news, I'm going to launch Twitter. You know, this is obviously all happening for my mobile, but I use Instagram a lot. I post less, but I absorb more, so that's where that time is coming from. Very, very cool. Well, I Instagramed that conversation just. Is that what you were busy doing? Yeah. Very, very cool. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech. Headlines comes your way as a podcast on the Amazon Echo and the Google Home, DailyTechHeadlines.com. So Luria suggested we sort of check in on 5G to see how it's doing, because there's so much hype about it. And it is coming by the end of this year. Verizon and AT&T will have test markets out and available. We might actually get phones that can use it, by next year. Up until then, they'll probably be doing hotspots, little pucks, mobile hotspots that you can use with it. But there's a lot of controversy still about the cost of rolling it out and whether it actually can return on its investment. There's different views on this. NTTDocomo CTO Seiso Inouye in 2016 at IEEE in Kuala Lumpur said that's all a myth. 5G will use existing towers in backhaul. It's not going to be more expensive than LTE. In fact, it should be cheaper. Verizon's soon-to-be CEO Hans Westberg estimated the cost at $200 to $400 per home past. He called that massively cheaper than Fiber, although Fiber, depending on the estimate, is anywhere from $400 to $700 per home past. So it kind of depends on what you're talking about. If it's compared to LTE, there's more room for disagreement. If it's compared to Fiber rollout, it probably is cheaper. A millimeter wave reach is proving to be a little greater than people originally thought. It's about 300 to 700 meters. Previous estimates were for 200 meters. That means you can have the towers farther apart and still provide good coverage. But the problems with 5G is the signals tend to be interfered with by trees and rain. That means you have to have different equipment to battle that interference. That requires different locations. So even if you can keep them farther apart, you might have to put them in different places than LTE. So maybe, in a way, isn't quite as right about using existing towers. And Frank Rael, who blogs about this sort of thing and is a consultant, believes that the coverage problems will mean operators will have to pay more to deploy 5G than they did 4G. So there's not agreement about this, Luria. But in the end, we all know where the cost will be passed along to, and that's us. Of course. And I think that's what most people are concerned with. Whether they have to, they were talking about infrastructure being implemented across the US. Because the units will be smaller, they could attach them to things like lamp posts and stop signs and things like that so you're not putting these massive towers right outside your home, which would be a great thing if they could use infrastructure that already exists, which would lessen the cost. But at the same time, a lot of those would have to be there. And so the interference with the stop sign and all of that stuff, that concerns me tremendously. I don't see us being able to walk down the street very effectively and still be able to have that connection. But I asked my community what their thoughts were and how excited I was expecting them to be very excited, very like, yes, let's get 5G. And across the board, they were like, meh. Like, I'd rather stick with 4G and I'd rather keep my money in my pocket. So that's the other question. I mean, 5G theoretically can go up to 10 gigabits per second. We're not going to see that. Just like with LTE, we didn't see the maximum speeds out the gate. But out of the gate, we should probably see around 400 megabits per second. And the other big thing that 5G can deliver is reduced latency and reduced lag. The wow numbers are things like a thousand times more bandwidth per unit area, ability to stream 8K video in 3D, download a 3D movie in about six seconds when it would take six minutes on 4G. But if your community is sort of like, okay, but I don't have any 8K videos, what does it take to get people more excited? Because, granted, I remember some people being skeptical about LTE. They're like, I'm not sure what I need it for. And then HD video streaming came along and people like, oh, I get what I need it for. Is 4K video streaming compelling enough for people to want to do that? Or are we starting to reach the limits of what we need bandwidth for on mobile and we're going to need to push what the devices do more into that desktop area for people to say, oh no, I really need to be able to have that higher speed? Yeah, and Dave Peterson in my community, he asked the question like, what are our apps? We can't do anything else with our phones. And I said, well, you know, I think if we look at the history, like when we had the iPhone 3G, we had certain types of apps. Now the apps have expanded and they've built on top of what the capabilities are. So I think it's hard, just like Steve Jobs said, like people don't know what they want until they see it, right? I know that quote is incorrect. I paraphrased there. Yeah, yeah. Don't hate on me here. But you know, like, people don't exactly know exactly what they can get or what can happen until they see it in action. So I think once it starts to roll out and apps actually create new innovative ways of using all of this data, that's when we'll start to see the interest increase. Also, I know one of the pitches for 5G is that your network sensors, your internet of things, can have their connection built directly in. Yeah. There's some debate about whether that's really going to happen or we'll keep using Wi-Fi, especially WPA 3 has a new part of its spec that allows you to scan a QR code with your phone and connect a device without, you know, to make it easier to connect these devices. So a lot of people still think Wi-Fi, especially in the enterprise, will be used for that. But there may be other mobile devices and to your point, there may be other uses that 5G allows for sensors and internet of things that we just haven't taken advantage of yet because we didn't have the bandwidth to do it. There's also the fact that there's a 90% reduction in network energy usage. There may be some savings there. If you're in an area of the country where you only have one ISP provider and the best they can give you is 40 megabits per second and Verizon rolls in with 5G to your home, you will definitely replace that cable provider. So it's hard to tell because there's lots of different aspects of this that the companies are banking on. What do you think, Sarah? Well, okay. So, you know, whenever I see like, you could stream 8K video in 3D. A 3D movie would be downloaded in six seconds. I don't personally need that right now. Yeah. Never say never. But that's just not something I'm like, yeah, six seconds. However, if that sort of thing is six seconds and that's a parameter for how, you know, we can look forward to faster coverage overall, then that means a lot of the stuff that I'm currently doing that takes a few seconds is more instantaneous. It's kind of like when, you know, a webpage used to launch however slowly it did and images loaded, you know, one by one on a webpage. It's like, now when that happens, we all go, what's going on? Because we're used to everything loading instantaneously. So that's what I kind of take from all of this. It's going in the right direction. Yeah. As you mentioned, infrastructure issues and passing the non-savings along to customers is, you know, we get this every time. And gamers like the latency and the lag reductions. It may be that 5G catches on for lots of little reasons if it catches on. And that's why it doesn't look like, like there's an obvious one big reason for it right now. So. I don't see why it wouldn't catch on eventually. It's not going to go away. Something has to come out, right? Well, Verizon and AT&T are spending a lot of money to put it in, you know, and so is NT Dokemo and so are companies in Korea, SK Hynix and others. So, yeah, it's going in. They're going to do their garden to convince us. And usually what happens is, you know, early adopters pick up stuff because it's new. And then we start to see what it's good for. And then everybody goes, oh, well, that's pretty cool. Maybe I should get that too. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories. You can also vote on stories submitted by others in our community, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. We're also on Facebook, facebook.com, slash groups, slash Daily Tech News show. And we also get your emails. And sometimes we read them like that. That is truth. Timmy D writes, he was talking about good day internet, which by the way, if you aren't familiar with good day internet, it's our pre and post show where we talk about all sorts of things and often relate to the show in general and expanded way. Timmy D says, on episode 3310, you were talking about whether things are generally improving for humans as tech advances. 5G could be part of that. And while Tom was saying, yeah, Roger was a little bit more pessimistic. The group GapMinder.org has some really interesting TED talks and data tools on their site that show globally how things definitely do get better as time goes on. The patriarch of the group wrote a really interesting book called Factfulness that talks about why humans tend to get things so wrong. Their recommendations remind me of how Tom tackles breaking news without getting wrapped up in the drama and the hype. No offense to Roger, of course. Anyway, I thought you'd appreciate what they said. Thanks for being awesome. Interesting. Although factfulness just sounds like truthiness to me. Truthiness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, I take my own offense. But you know, hey, I'm just teasing. Well, I think, yeah, I think that Timmy was saying, hey, we all, you know, have complicated feelings about this. Here's some more information resources. Yeah, it's natural for humans to think a little negatively because it's an evolutionary advantage. If you're worried about the wildebeest being, you know, or the lion getting to you, you're more likely to survive because you won't put yourself in harm's way. So you have to consciously overcome that to be able to see what's really going on sometimes. Well, thanks to Timmy D. for writing in and thanks to everybody who writes us at feedback at DailyTechnoShow.com. And special thanks to Laura Patucci for being with us. This is the first time you and I have been on DT&S together. So very special day for me. It's so nice to see you again. 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VR, live streaming VR. Yeah. That's a bit more bandwidth for that. Oh yeah. That would be a good point. Yes. Can't video just stay 2D. Offer talkies. Who wants talkies? Everyone knows what real color is. Keep it in black and white. I wonder if they're going to keep their tethering in the future. Yeah. Policy is the same. Oh. They'll get even stricter, won't they? No. My guess is with 5G, we go right back to data caps and all of that. The plans become like, it's unlimited on LTE. Yeah. And you'll get, you know, and they'll probably be higher bandwidth caps than they used to be because 5G is so much faster. But yeah, I bet they start with caps. That's... Oh, great. Hey, Roger, can you send me a link to the live stream? I didn't get to log in and see comments. Oh, sure. Yeah. We actually don't have comments on the live stream. Oh, okay. We have the chat room on the IRC. Got it. Got it. Okay. No worries then. IRCchatrealm.net. Yeah. Oh, also showbot.chatrealm.net is where the title suggestions from the audience are coalescing. Coalescing. Coalescing. Coalescing. That's a big word there. Fancy. Is it? It does contain a lot of consonants and vowels. Coalesce. It's funny. Maybe it's because I don't, you know, have enough friends or friends that... I don't know. I want to chat with them this way. But I do a fair amount of one-on-one chatting through Facebook Messenger. It's like the same way I use FaceTime, often with Android folks or, I don't know, maybe we're just using Messenger for whatever reason. I can imagine using that with an Instagram if that's just where I happen to be. And you can see if the person's online. But I never chat with four people at once. I mean, this is obviously different because we're doing a show and this is the way that we've set it up. But is that just... Is it like a family thing that I just am missing? Are we doing this? I haven't chatted with more than one-on-one person like in kind of a group chat since like 2007. And that's because all of us were planning like, what are we going to do? I have to work kind of thing. Right. Actually no, 2007, 2010. Oh, wow. So... The only way I use them are like business reasons, production meetings and things like that with multiple people. It's like 32 people with FaceTime coming up. Like who's going to use that? Right. I video chat with multiple people every day from one o'clock. Well, that's what I said. It's a business reason. We have a specific purpose for doing this. It's not because we're like, hey, what are you up to? What's up? We're going to have to chat. Let's call her. No, in all seriousness though, we do regularly do FaceTime video with Eileen's sister at Christmas and Thanksgiving and just like if she has a big... Like when they bought their house, they... So we kind of do that. But what's funny is Eileen and I gather around one of our phones and they all gather around one of their phones. We don't do multiple... Well, if you're in the same room, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's because it would be odd to have in the same room and everyone on their own device because it would feel oddly unfriendly. The whole point is like to get everyone around. Well, and Instagram has in the group chat settings that just is sort of like sharing other people's posts and then chatting about them. I am in a couple of groups that have kind of like one group is just sort of like, look at this crazy photo of this person posted here and share it with us. We kind of talk about it. So I get the idea of convening to talk about something that's happening on the platform. But that's at my discretion when I have time. It's not a chat where we're all on video with each other. But again, maybe I'm just missing the really cool part of this. As you know, I take that back when we went to Vegas. We did the... What was the thing that we used where everyone could chat at the same time over SMS or not SMS? What was it? I was trying to... Text chat though, right? Yeah, it was a text chat. Yeah, group me? Group me. Yes, that was it. I think that's okay. That feels very different to me. Yeah. Right. That's like WhatsApp. You can do that on WhatsApp. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, I also... In fact, Tom and Roger and I were at lunch the other day and a woman's walking through the parking lot and she's obviously FaceTiming or whatever it is. And I'm just like, I don't... Now she has to hold her hand up. I just very rarely do that. Very rarely. I saw it in New York. I saw it in London. I saw it in Australia. Me too. It's a weird thing that the entire world seems to be doing. I know. And maybe I'm just sort of like, the lighting's bad or I'm just so used to kind of like what angles are right. I guess it depends on who you talk to. If I was talking to my mom, I don't care if she thinks I look horrible. But yeah, it's just some folks really like that video chat. And some of us don't. Title, Roger. Did you call one out of the suggestions? Well, I liked checking it on 5G by Captain Jack. It's good, right? Yeah. It says what it is. I like that too. I mean, there was the other, what can 5G do for me? But I'm checking on 5G. I think it covers everything. I'm good with that. I'm going to run guys. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much for being on today's show. Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm sorry it took so long to get scheduled. Yeah, no problem. Thanks again, Luria. Next time we'll bring tacos. I promise. Please do. Have a great day, sir. It was great to see you, Luria. Have a good one. Ray has something to say up there. I don't know if you can hear that. She says hyperloaf. Bye. Hyperloaf. Buy a hyperloaf. I want it. Well, probably TMI, but it is for, for those of you who have dogs might be the same way, but definitely for cats. There's kind of a seasonal shedding thing that happens. Oh my gosh. Yes, it's happening for Sawyer right now. Yes. And it's like, it happens overnight. And every year I'm sort of like, what's that? Oh yeah, it's that season again. With cats, shedding and self-cleaning tends to create the phenomenon known as the hairball. And we are not having. Fans of Bloom County will remember Bill the cat. That's correct. Yes. Yeah. And there's many hairballs. They don't do it on purpose. But, you know, sometimes that one. I mean, I don't do hairballs though. Thank goodness. I don't know where else it would go. But I often kick myself for not training my cats to use the toilet the way that some cats on the internet somehow know how to do magically because there's that noise in the middle of the night where you just feel like it's dark. I'm not getting up. And I just don't even want to know where that is right now. So, yeah. I'm sorry. Happy Tuesday, everyone. I crashed the party again. I needed a picture. Oh, hey, welcome back. You guys keep talking. Hi. Hello. All right. Thank you. Bye. Bye. That's funny. I thought she was going to be like serious for you. I saw people in chat saying welcome back Luria. And I was like, oh, did she join the chat room? And then that's funny. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. I started petting Sawyer this morning and most of Sawyer stuck to my hand. So I'm like, you need to be brushed. So I took him outside and brushed. And what's funny with Ray, because she's taller and bigger, you'd think she'd have more hair. She's short hair everywhere except her hips. So brushing her on, I was getting a little bit off. And then I go to her hips and it just comes off in tumbleweeds just come out of her. Yeah. And it's funny because you think like, oh, well, an entire animal just came off of this animal. We must be done. Seriously. But even that seems to create more shedding. Yeah. It's just. Well, because it releases the matted hair that was below it or something, I think. Yeah. So every year, it's been a solid decade. And every year I'm just like, oh, God. And then sometime in the summer, it'll all come down. And life will continue. Life finds a way. Somehow. Somehow. Just soldier on, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a crazy week. We've got cement trucks outside my house. Every time I think, well, the construction next door has got to be wrapping up. Yeah. They figure out a way to be like, now we're digging some weird ditch that we just decided to do today. We had a, we had a parade of cement trucks this week over here too, because there's a house being built at the end of the cul-de-sac. And they had the crane, you know, the bit, like, like they're building a skyscraper. And now it's gone. They must have done whatever. Maybe it was a chimney or something. I don't know. Yeah. It's intense. It's like, there's nothing you can do about it. And some days I'm like, whatever, I'm just, it's just, it is what it is. And the other days I'm like, I can't think. Why are you doing this to me? But such is Los Angeles. Such is life in the big city. Big sprawlin city. Los Angeles. Our own Paul McCartney. Is it though? I'm, you know, it's, it's... Yes, it is. Wait, I guess we... You'd think that people would have had enough of silly freeways, but I look around me and I see it isn't so. Oh my goodness. I really like this recipe book idea. I'm into it. So I know how to handle the publication logistics, but we would need someone to design it and do the layout and stuff. The recipe book, you know... Okay, so I've got, I haven't mentioned this, but I have a new book out called Gallium, available on Amazon and Kindle and whatnot. This tells the story of a salvager who loses her job because she moves to a different part of the system and is persecuted by the historical society who doesn't want her to reveal her findings. That sounds interesting, go check it out. But anyway, you do this, it's like, yeah, you need a nice, nice cover and then the inside to, you know, be readable, and that's it. When you do a recipe book, recipe books usually have like pictures and illustrations and sometimes pretty like... Lots of pictures. They really curlicue things around the recipe to make it look nice, so... Or, you know, not just a picture of the finished result, but like prep pictures. The steps. Do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's the design elements to make it attractive and there's the design elements to make it usable, which should also be attractive. So I guess what I'm saying is if anybody out there is like, I am great at laying out recipe books, let us know. Because yeah, we can, I can do the soliciting and the editing and the pasting in. I also, not that, you know... I didn't mean to assume that you and Roger couldn't do that. If you have a secret talent at recipe book layout, please let me know. I have a secret talent for following recipes and then eating the results. Gotcha, so you're the same as me. Yeah, I don't know that I've ever even written any of my recipes down for anybody, you know, in a way that I thought looked nice and made sense. I will add my growing up. I just read a lot of recipe books because my dad had like a stack ton of them because he runs a restaurant. So, and it's weird. Some of them do a lot of photos. Others are very skimpy and just have very direct instructions. Like, and then there's other ones that kind of add a lot of flowery like context, like this dish is from blah, blah, blah, and they had to cook it this way, but we live in the 20th century so you can use your other, you know, like they have all this historical cultural context to... Yeah, we're not making a big joy of cooking thing here, so... That's the... Joy of cooking is the one that has like, you know, it's a textbook on gastronomy in addition to recipes. I think we could also have a section, I mean, maybe it's just me, but a section on like, weird food and a pinch because I got lots of that. Like weird food to like you would make. You mean low bandwidth recipes. Correct. Yeah, like if you, if it comes down to it, here's how to make the most basic of snacks a little bit more interesting. Compression algorithms. That's right. For, you know, like how I, I have my ways of making cottage cheese a whole meal. It's easy. Yeah. It's kind of weird though. It's like an MP3. Mm-hmm. You're making a very small file, contain almost all of the music. Mm-hmm. And as you're eating it, it seems more complicated than it is. Right. And delicious. I mean, I just discovered I could make hamburger, cook hamburger patties in my toaster oven. And it works pretty well. Oh, wow. That's a nice little... So maybe we could do a little life hack type things like that too. Yeah. Because honestly it saves me on cleaning up the grease because it all catches in the foil. I often cook eggs in a coffee mug in the microwave. Ah, yes. The coffee mug recipe. 40 seconds. You can mix it with a little bit of milk, a little bit of water. 40 seconds. Put in your salt and pepper, maybe even some cheese. And you have a coffee mug shaped omelet. I do something very similar, except they use a measuring cup, like one of those Pyrex glass ones. Oh, yeah, yeah. That makes it a little broader, yeah. I put like three eggs, beaten eggs in it. I put the eggs in there, beat it. And then I add the shredded cheese. And then I take a little bit of, like generally, like a pretty good salsa, like the one they make in the supermarket, not like the off the shelf. And I put it in and it's pretty good. And if I need ham or anything like that, you can just take it out, dice it, throw it in. That sounds good. It also would make everything, well, probably equally hot, which is just like, there's something about, at least my little egg thing. And again, you know, this is why we're doing a recipe book is like, when I do fried eggs with avocado and salsa, which is often, I want the salsa to be cold. And I add it exactly last, and then I eat it right away. So like, it doesn't actually make the rest of it cold, but it has that, you know. I just do it because it reminds me of huevos rancheros. Yeah, yeah. I mean, hot salsa is great, but you know, I'm like, huh, I never would have really thought to put salsa in the pan and heat it up before I eat it. 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