 Hello everyone welcome back today to CRT MarketWatch. This is an exclusive show dedicated to the CRT and higher end pro video monitor market mostly through eBay that's what we're looking at today so let me just get into some details on what we're gonna actually be doing in today's episode. This is gonna fall in line with other MarketWatch episodes where we're gonna look at pro CRT monitor sales on eBay in North America and every monitor must support 240p through RGBS without modification. We're gonna be looking at sales data for September 9th to November 30th in 2020. Prices are not gonna include tax and they also will not include a make-and-offer price if one was not listed. I've started a thing called working price points for each PVM line and I'll explain this more when we're looking at a price point for a PVM line but this is what I consider a grade B to A kind of not the best quality or condition but definitely one that is working and doesn't need to fully be serviced it may need some calibration it's a PVM that you should be able to buy hookup and use not really needing a lot of circuit board repair or anything like that that's gonna be lower than a grade of what I'm considering on this working price point. We're gonna highlight specific monitor sales and then we're gonna look at market trends and we're gonna do some analysis of some of those sales. We're gonna start off today with Ikegami CRT monitor sales. We've got a 1416R that sold in September for 287 and then a 149R that sold for $225 and then the bottom one is a 2017 RA on May 3rd for $153 you notice it says PU beside that that means that it is pickup only so no shipping involved. If there's not something like that designated next to the sale listing then it was including the shipping costs so that's not a bad price if you could get a couple of CRTs that do 240p now these are on the lower end side in the earlier 90s to mid 90s models. The one highlighted sale was the HTM 1517R and the picture there and that is a multi-format monitor so it accepts signals beyond 480i so it goes 480p and then all the way up to 1080i so it actually does some high-definition stuff and much more desirable that's along the lines of those quality of like a 14L5. JVC had a couple sales too again these companies that we're talking about first off are not gonna have huge numbers these are more the ones that you are outliers that did make broadcast and professional quality monitors but they're not searched for as much as the Sony's you also do generally get a lower price point on many of these first off there's H150CG that is a 14 inch screen 750 TV line broadcast quality monitor online with like a BVM F5U this one had no RGBS component card it sold for $324 shipped however you can add a card and there are those cards are available secondary on eBay and they're made for a reasonable price generally under $100 for that custom card so that's a fair entry point for a higher quality JVC monitor and the one under that but that is a 16 inch and that's actually a digital monitor it accepts 240p all the way up to 1080i or for $462 that's a pretty good price here's a look at that specific listing this was on an auction and the only thing was it did have some scuff marks on the screen which you can kind of see on this picture right here and this monitor should have a protective anti-glare layer on that screen so the idea being that if you bought this monitor you can get it and remove that anti-glare screen and have a clean screen underneath it and for $462 shipped that is a really good price for a 16 inch multi-format high-end broadcast level monitor so next we're going to be looking at is these Olympus monitors and you'll notice only three Olympus sales these were specifically listed as Olympus OEVs CRTs and I will tell you this Olympus OEV 143 model is a direct copy of the Sony PVM 20M2 MDU medical version which is the preferred version of the M series M2 units that has the additional second RGB and component input on the back and the only real difference is the color scheme and the fact that it says Olympus on the front and the back of the shell so three of those sold around $350 each there was one that was cheaper so those tend to sell for a little bit less than what the M2 MDU unit would that a lot of these listings for Olympus come from old medical supply companies or medical recycling companies on eBay and they tend to not have the proper equipment to test these CRTs fully so a lot of the listings will look like what these do in the pictures behind me where it won't actually show anything displayed it'll say it's power tested might even show a screen with some of the menus pulled up like it is in this picture and the screen might even look discolored however most the time that's a good sign that it's working and so you do take a little bit of a risk but I found that more often than not you're gonna get a much better deal with these Olympus's just because they're not searched for as often and not as many people seem to know about them all right now let's move into the Sony BVM sales these are the best of the best some of the biggest sales that happened this month were specifically BVM now first off we've got a little one this is a D9 H1U and it is a field monitor now look there is a DH5U in the 9 inch and that has the built-in controls I've done a video specifically on that monitor where I serviced one this one is a H1U so it doesn't have the controls built in it has a separate control board that's what the 10R is so that's valued that BKM control board is valued at about 200 to $300 right now on eBay and then this monitor also included the BKM 129X card so that's a good deal because that one is again 200 to $300 and then finally the tube on this monitor only had 55 hours listed on it so that's really low the only other thing that is worth noting is it only had the 16 by 9 bezel on it and this one the small field monitor it is not like the larger D series monitors those from the 14 inch and up have an insert in them that you can remove at least the D14s and the D20s they have an insert in them that you can remove and you can either put the insert can be either 4 by 3 or 16 by 9 however on this smaller D9 it is the entire frame on the bezel so you have to unscrew it and take the entire bezel off with the plastic and everything and then expose all the wires around the front of the CRT if you don't want to have the 16 by 9 bezel on there and those can be kind of difficult to obtain at this point generally costs about $200 and so that's just the one disappointing thing about that D9 is that 69 bezel is stuck unless you want to dremel it I did an entire video on this monitor so I'll not cover it really much at all here but it was a huge sale it was the most expensive one time monitor sale and it was the only monitor that was sold on eBay that was listed listed as refurbished so that is something I want you to know those are the two main BVMs that were sold one other thing I want to mention on that D9 is to remember that it does accept 240p up to 1080i so it is also multi-format just like the D32 the BVM8045Q that you see there from October was $300 it was picked up so it was again not not shipped the others were shipped and that one is analog only and similar to like the 804 series which we'll talk about soon here that's a PVM and we're gonna get into the Sony PVM CRT sales and of course we're gonna start with these monitors that I just mentioned the 804 series now there is an 804 series monitor that we're not talking about that is the 8040 because that only supports S video and composite however the 41Q, 42Q, 44Q and 45Q all have models that do support RGB sync and 240p and 480i so that's a very popular PVM for either people starting to get into a PVM and getting their first one or someone that is getting one to use for testing purposes or for videography purposes and those 10 are selling a lot you had 12 sales in September and then 13 sales in October and then 22 sales in November so a total of 47 CRTs all together for $8200 during those three month time period I do have our pricing here the lowest that was sold was $70 and it was a parts slash repair monitor and it was shipped so for $70 you can get an extra monitor for parts or try to fix one and then the highest was a $300 grade A monitor that was sold again including shipping so that would have been top quality and serviced a little bit and looked really nice the average working price point again for that like B minus grade up to about an A minus grade the average price point for that shipped was $220 for those 804 Q series monitors again great monitors if you're looking for something small and versatile those will accept nearly every kind of sync input I really do like them for the bench purposes and here's some other smaller monitors that I wanted to point out to you to you that were sold during this time period you've got the 9L series the 9L2 and the 9L3 those are both after the 804 series so they're a little bit later and they so they're a little newer a little bit of a redesign and you'll see right here at the power button point on the background picture how it does not have the same loop pull hooks that the 804 series has it has just kind of a molded plastic knob instead so that's something that's significantly different on there and then it does accept cards in this one so you do need a 129x card if you want to do RGB in this one those are sold for about $200 a piece there was four of those and then the other one I wanted to mention was the five inch monitors those have been selling like crazy they're really getting up there averaging about $290 a piece I feel like the working price for one of those delivered right now is $300 or just really popular for some reason to get one of those small ones now we're going to start looking at the sony pvm 13 inch sales that occurred and we're going to start with the 13 numbered series this could be anything that is 13 and then a number after that most of them are like 51 q 54 q 53 md I also included any n series monitors that did support rgb so there's a couple in six us on the list and one and two you and then there's some older monitors on there like a 1390 and a 1271 q but just a ton of these monitors sold we had a total of 21 sales this quarter and that amounted to $7454 the average sales price being $355 now that is for all of them together so the lowest sale was a 1342 q that is $150 and it was picked up now that is one of the older ones on the list that monitor does do rgb however it does not have an onboard service menu and it does not have speaker support for the mono speaker on on it for the rgb line the highest sale was a pristine condition 1354 q which is the model before the 20m2 you and that's sold for $610 shipped the working pvm average price for again that b minus grade to a minus grade shipped you're looking at about $380 now look do not get confused here this does not include anything that has really been professionally serviced or had any kind of parts repaired increase the value these are just ones that you're going to get kind of in the working shape listed as working on ebay that's a pretty good price point for that and again this is ebay working pvm average price $380 range for one of those shipped now let's get into the m series which is one upgraded step from that these tend to be a little bit newer than those 50 models and 40 models and 90 models that we were talking about on the prior slide again a lot of sales here just tons of them throughout this month we're going to look at a couple in specific that i have noted here you notice one of these outliers in september 15th for $995 and os that is actually new old stock so that came in the original box and then was shipped with original paperwork and original foam so kind of new inbox complete inbox tested kind of a unit so you can understand why that one would cost a bit more and then we've got a couple that were picked up now i did also include the m4s you'll notice so the difference between the two of these monitors is the m2 and the m4 are pretty much exactly the same except the m4 has higher resolution on its display so it has an 800 tv line tube where the 14 m2 only has a 600 tv line tube and other than that the monitors are pretty much identical as far as performance and function the 14 m4 though has always got some outliers on it where the prices are just crazy on it so we have one from october 10th for $1,600 and then one from november 14th for almost $1,300 and then we'll have some more reasonable prices on here for some others like one for $630 and around that $600, $700 price point but look at this listing here again this is over $1,600 and it's in texas it's for this 14m4u and it says it sold it's from a reputable seller i didn't see it relisted or sell again so i thought that was incredible so again let's look closely here at some 14m series sales statistics we've got 10 sales of that m2 for a total of just under $5,000 the average sales price $499 now the lowest was a $193 for a working that was pickup only and then the highest was that new old stock for $995 the working pvm average price is $430 shipped and that is just about $50 over the last series that we talked about and that makes complete sense how you're getting this little bit better a little bit newer monitor and you have to pay a little bit more premium for that now if we jump down here to the 14m4 we're going to have six sales totaling $5,000 almost $5,100 and our average sales price is $848 with the lowest sale being 445 that was a local pickup and then the highest sale being that $1,600 listing that we had seen so that all together makes this one always hard to judge what it's exactly going to sell for because i believe the working pvm average price would be $700 $800 around that number but still sometimes it just seems to sell consistently for more than that for some reason that's the m-series data now we're going to go and move on to that next progression of monitor and this being the final line that sony had in the pvms and again we're only looking at this l2 series the l-series l2 so the l2s are 600 tv line monitors and they are again made in the early 2000s up to the mid 2000s we're going to start with that 14 inch you'll see a lot of sales there the highest being $891 again just crazy more of them go for that $430 price point to $500 and then if we look down here at the 20 l2s we did have three of those sell and again we had one that was 1375 but that was shipped and that was new old stock in the box and then we had one that go for 450 shipped and 300 picked up i'll be honest with you those 20 l2s that's pretty darn reasonable to me first off look at this one whoever got this one got a really good deal $450 shipped for this working good condition 20 l2 it's listed as multi format it's not now this one is a white version because it's the medical unit and it actually sold for again 1375 shipped but it was in the original box tested with all the goodies in there i can't really fault anybody for buying this if you're going to spend that kind of money and it's really hard to have a lot of peace of mind with these things so might as well spending on one that's still in the new box and in as good a condition as possible even if it is going to cost you almost $1400 it's if it's something you want it may be worth that investment so we got the 14 l2s eight total sales on there $3,700 average selling price of $467 the lowest being a $325 shipped the highest being $891 shipped the working pvm price point for that i have that at about $460 right now so that's what i would think you would have to pay between 430 to 460 on that one a little bit higher than the m series but not very much the only reason it's higher is because it's a little newer and other than that not much difference there 20 l2 again three sales for $2,100 it's just over $700 average the lowest sale being a $300 pickup and the highest being that one we just looked at that was $1375 i'm giving this an a working pvm average price of about $750 because again this one's hard to tell where it's going to be listed so if you get it for $750 or less that is the price point for right now for ebay for that monitoring good working condition here are the 20 inch m series we transitioned out of the 14 inch on that last slide and we're moving into the 20 inches and up for the rest of our show today and we're going to start with the m2s and m4s so this is the same scenario that i discussed with the 14 m series where you have the 2s and the 4s the 20 m2s i did have a couple that were pickups only and then some that were fixed i put fix next to those because those definitely had a serious repair on them that needed an internal circuit board fix uh so you've got that one that had a fix on september 10th for 591 and this extremely cheap one down here was a pickup and it had a problem in it kind of a parts monitor down there at the bottom and then the other ones here the 20 m4s see this was kind of wild there were 20 m4s that sold and they all some of them sold for less than what the 14 m4 sold for shipped so that's an interesting statistic to look at we'll look at those numbers a little closer here first the 20 m2 sales that's a total of $4200 nearly average selling price of $596 lowest being that $113 sales price that we talked about it was a parts only monitor and it was pickup only the highest being $895 so this one's going to have that working pvm average sales price point of $750 and up very similar to that l2 that we just talked about that 20 l2 both of these are so close to each other that you have to give them nearly the same grade on price points plus they don't have very much features that differentiate one from the other now the 20 m4 is again the high resolution tube so that does show a little bit better on that 20 inch screen and i will also tell you that this is not now this is not the case with the 14 inch version of this monitor but when it comes to the 20 inch the 20 m4 that tube inside there is compatible with one of those other multi format monitors like the 20 l5 pvm or any of the 20 inch bvms that need an 800 tv line tube or up the 20 m4 youtube is compatible with it not the 14 m4 that's not compatible with the bvms that are 14 inches just the 20 m4 uses the same tube so that makes it a little bit more valuable again five sales 4800 dollars 974 dollars for average selling price the lowest was 630 dollars the highest 1240 dollars this working pvm average price point has to be about 1200 dollars i feel like they could just sell pretty much right away for 1200 dollars shipped if they are in a really good working condition all right now we're getting into the specialty monitor sales now this was actually someone that was on my patreon page and he was able to sell his 2530 that was in good working condition for just over 1200 dollars so it was nice to see that monitor be able to sell we also had a 2950 q which is one of my favorites it sold for 2000 dollars picked up now this one did include a box and the speakers it was in really nice condition so i feel like that was kind of a steal for anybody who got that at 2000 dollars so we had those two big sales the 2530 and the 2950 25 2950 was only available for pickups and no shipping on that one and there were 2030s that sold three of those for about 2100 dollars so those were selling between 800 and 700 a piece for shipped working 2030s sometimes they would get up as high as 900 there were some 1954 q sales for 1300 dollars there were four of them but every single one of them surprisingly was a repair model and it was untested so it was parts and they were all pickups so not really any blowout or unbelievable deals or sales on that 54 q all right so now we're going to start with the pvm multi-format series monitors starting with the 14l fives and we had six 14l fives that sold three were shipped and three were pickup omelies and we had an average price of 631 dollars almost 3800 dollars for this the total price on those six sales average sale price was uh or the lowest price was 545 dollars the highest sale price was 900 dollars i again have to give this working pvm a minus to b minus grade on this one 800 dollars and up for a shipped version of this if you can get it for less than that it's a pretty good price so this is again a multi-format monitor it's a little bit smaller in size than the bvm's it's got a speaker on there and it's really easy to use compared to the bvm's really nice looking pvm i feel like it's very often overlooked for things like the 14m for you for some reason but anyway i want you to notice that a lot of those were picked up at 599 so i feel like that's a good deal but the real deal where the two people in september who bought the two that were sold for 545 and shipped so if you got those for 545 dollars shipped then those are two steels those those sales you can see there's two sold and then the same thing was with the 599 listing there was three sold those were all picked up from the same seller so now we're going to move on to the 20l fives which is the bigger version of that l5 that we just looked at the 14 inch version of now we're going to look at the six sales of this monitor i want you to notice one big thing on there that the majority of these were pickup only so they'd go for sale on ebay generally for a buy it now price pick up only and they would sell and someone would have to go get it the only one that was shipped was that one in september 28th that was sold for buy it now for 1140 dollars again these sales have just kind of popped up and so you have to know when they're coming for the most part and then they go right away and again they're not being shipped so you have to be ready to go travel i know that the last two i listed again in the patreon page and people told me that they went and bought those and went and picked those up those were in pennsylvania for that kind of a price you got to be just ready to go have the money ready sitting there and once it comes available just buy it and hopefully be able to make a trip to go pick these up the average sale price for the six monitors was 1349 dollars the total of the six sales was 4900 almost so the lowest sale was 850 dollars it was pickup and it did need some minor repairs i could tell from the picture and then the highest sale was a $2000 pickup and at the end of october now working at pvm price point here i'm giving this one a $2000 price point just for one that's working that you could go pick up this is not including any kind of shipping it could be more than that could be a little bit less than that so that's the price point if you could find it for 850 dollars or $1200 shipped you better just grab it when you see it because somebody else will right now so here's a look at the last two that sold they were 1250 they were still in the working environment when they were pictured and listed taken basically by a salvage person out and then resold right away the same person was uh sold a couple of 14 l fives too so now let's get into some statistics on these sales i have some pretty bright and colorful graphs here for you now we're going to look first at the total sales by size and it's separated here in each one of these bars in this graph represents a month so first starting in september october and november kind of made this graph so you could see that some of these areas are consistently in the same amount of sales each month so the green for example that's all the 14 inch size monitors that sold this month had more 14 inches and this month had less blue had the blue stands for the 20 inch and above this first month had less 20 inches uh however if you look at the red and ones that's the number of smaller monitors that sold and that is pretty darn consistent right there over the free by the time period the same number in the same amount of sales goes on uh you know a couple of three four thousand dollars each month on that monitor and then the big outlier here is this blue big section for the last 15 500 in november that's being heavily driven by that bvm d 32 that we looked at earlier all right moving on now to our total sales for the quarter if you look at our quarter three sales from our last quarter we had a total of 59 thousand dollars in sales well this quarter we totaled out to 72 100 and sales that's an increase of 13 200 are pretty much 23 in increase in total sales volume and then if we break that down and look at the number of total units sold for this quarter there were 132 units sold and units each unit is a pvm and in this quarter we had 150 units sold so that's an increase of 18 units are almost 14 percent so again we're still going through a growth period right now and just some of the key analysis in our takeaways most of the sony pvms of bvm prices have increased and are continuing to increase of course the best deals are still going to be through local sales and through networking and okay i'm going to just go ahead and like little do a little shameless promotion of the patreon right here because the last i'd say four or five weeks i've gone in and i've shared tons and tons of posts of pvms bvms ikigamis jvcs nearly all the monitors that were sold on this listing at least ones that were at the better pricing i had first posted on the patreon page and i know a lot of those patreon members were able they told me to get a lot of those l5s this month that were again at a better price than i could get them for myself and turn around in service and sell back to the community it's way cheaper than i can ever find them for myself so if i can't buy them myself i'm sharing them in that patreon page so if you go there you just join for a dollar a month and you can get and see every one of those listings and if something works for you it's near where you live i even show the ones i find globally and not only on ebay any other listing site that i might find so good things also come to those that are persistent and random great deals do happen just about every week on ebay restored monitors do still sell for more when they are available because there was only one really available this time around supplies are still extremely limited on the larger and better monitors and most top-end monitors are still not being shipped at least not the bigger ones that we talked about now be cautious though because there's always the too good to be true rule and scams do still exist but that's all we're going to talk about today i really just want to say thank you so much for joining me if you're still around to this point and you enjoyed this please make sure you hit the like button for me and make sure you're subscribed to the channel if you like to watch these types of videos and lastly i want to say a special thank you to the supporters at patreon because without their support each month i would not be able to spend the insane amount of time it takes to study all these silly numbers for sales and try to help 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