 it's happened before. I'm still waiting. There, it's begun. Good. Glad to see it. Get all my eggs in my basket here before we get going. All right. So yeah, yield intro. Diddle you got 10 minutes. Then 10 minutes for you, Alex. And then we'll move it into an open floor format. See how we can do. It's going to be spicy. I'm going to intro this Good evening, everybody. Tonight we're going to be debating is only fans good for society and to start us off. We have Diddley. So the floor is all yours, Diddley. And thanks for being here. Hello. Thanks so much for having me. I'm Diddley. I'm a YouTuber and streamer. I specialize in ASMR. And I'm also an only fans creator and an only fans subscriber. So hopefully with all my knowledge of being both a subscriber and a creator, I can hopefully clear up some misconceptions about only fans because I know there is a lot of that. And I guess, yeah, let's get into it. So the question is, is only fans good for society? So first before we can even begin to answer this, we want to answer how do we define good? What makes something good for society? And I believe that the very root of this lies in individuals' rights and freedom. So how do we determine what is good for society? We would hopefully want it to promote societal well being and reduce societal harm when compared to alternative decisions. That alternative being the mainstream porn industry or a pornless society. And we know that countries that have banned porn are just the least safe countries in the world for women to live or people in general. We know that straight up banning porn just isn't the answer. Pornography is not going anywhere. And as for the mainstream porn industry, much of the criticisms I have towards the mainstream porn industry are actually alleviated by the existence of only fans. For example, it's the most ethical way to consume porn. It's the safest form of sex work. Creators also control the means to the production of their content. They own their content, which means they are much more financially independent. It also delivers a much more realistic representation of sex and nudity. It has reduced prevalence of child pornography and reduces the ease of access to pornographic material to minors. We also know that countries with more progressive views on sex work who also love porn are the happiest countries in the world, particularly countries that follow the Nordic model. So Sweden, the Netherlands, Finland. So I think if we would like to maximize happiness and reduce harm, only fans is absolutely a step in the right direction. And I'm looking forward to where this conversation goes. I don't know where it's going to go. We'll see. And I'll leave you to it, Alex. All right. Well, we'll kick the floor over to Alex for 10 minutes. But I do want to do a quick little housekeeping here just to remind everybody once again, if you haven't heard, if you've been running around with your fingers in your ears, we've got to bacon for coming up. Dallas Texas is where we're going to be, everybody. I'm hanging out in Nova Scotia right now today. But on Friday, I'm getting on the plane. Let me know where you're hanging out right now in the live chat. And check out those tickets in the description. We're going to hand it over to prime time Alex here to I saw read your zoom name Alex for 10 minutes. And the floor is yours, buddy. Well, Didley, you know, I don't want to personally attack you at all, because you know, that's not what we do here to debate. And I just want to say a lot of, you know, your opening statement was very cute. You're a very cute lady. But that's kind of the sad reality is that a beautiful woman like you that could easily probably marry a guy and just have a cushy life doesn't have to spread her legs for a living. And like that's the harsh reality. You made a lot of statements about how the mainstream porn industry is bad. And I would agree that it is there's a documentary called Hot Girls Wanted. And it talks about the predatory nature of porn producers that often violate girls and they sign them up for porn shoots to where they're like degraded. And it's not, you know, always consensual. So, you know, if you're going to compare mainstream porn to only fans, I mean, I guess you could argue that maybe it is a little more empowering for the creator because you get to have a little more control over the scenes like, you know, that I would, I guess, you know, agree with you. But when you talk about the overall whole of society, I think you have to look at the explosion of only fans and the amount of students that have killed themselves because their mothers have been exposed as being an only fans model. So if you're if you're a young kid and you're going to school and all of a sudden all the other students find your mom's only fans, that's very depressing. That's very tough to deal with. And let's just let's just be real. Let's call a spade a spade. What an only fans content creator is your sex worker. And whether it's, you know, solo masturbation, or it's just showing your boobs, I know that sounds great. You know, I like that. You know, that's cool that you're all empowered about it. But this is the harsh reality is that one day you might want to actually meet somebody and marry a guy. And the only guy you're going to be able to marry is some kind of cuckolded loser that wants his wife's tits all over the internet. Any person that has any self respect for themselves would not be jamming dildos of the vagina. But what I'm saying is why this is bad for society is because now the ease of only fans, any girl can be a content creator with their cell phone. And because of that, girls that would have never ever gone into pornography girls would have actually got a normal job might have actually tried to make a normal life for themselves and not be embarrassed or embarrass their family. Now they're like, oh, well, I can be an only fans whore. But that's really what you are. You're a whore. Because if you look at the messages that you get, it's always guys talking about sexual stuff. It's always guys trying to, I guess, talk to you so that they can ejaculate. So at this point, all you become is a vessel of masturbation for a human being. And I would argue that, hey, sex is good. None of us would be here without sex. But sex is something special. When you can pay $4.99 and you can see your vagina or your butthole on the internet, it makes your butthole not special. There's a thing it's called supply and demand. If your vagina is in full supply on the internet, if anybody can google it and find it, the demand for your vagina will be much less. You're going to say, oh, well, no, I have all these guys that sign up. I make all this money. It's so self empowering. Let me tell you something. Money is the root of all evil. People will do anything for money. So if you use money as your only inspiration, as the only thing that drives you in life, yes, it will lead you to a place where you're going to go and you're going to expose yourself. You're going to embarrass your family because nobody wants their daughter to be an only fan's whore. Nobody. I mean, anybody, when they raise their little daughter up and they hold you in your little crib, there's not one dad in the world that says, oh, I hope this little baby girl, when she's 18, she starts spreading her butthole on the internet. Nobody would do that because spreading your butthole on the internet is probably the worst thing that you could do for your self esteem in your mind. These only fans women, they think, oh, well, this is good. I'm getting a lot of compliments. That should tell you that you're doing something wrong, right? Because you're not getting compliments because of something you've achieved or something that you've helped with society. What you're doing is you're making people more degenerate. And because there's so many only fans, it's causing relationships to have issues because men are joining people's only fans. And what I think it's really, really bad is for all the young girls that would not have gone into sex work. There's a lot of girls that actually have dreams and aspirations do a lot more than to be an internet whore. But because it's so accessible, because it's so easy to do this, now girls always want to take the easy route. And I don't blame them for that. Life's hard. You got to pay your bills. But if you do a job that you're going to be embarrassed of, and I know I'm sure on the internet you say you're proud, but I just really cannot imagine a girl going up to their dad and be like, dad, I made $11,000 on the internet. And all I had to do was jam stuff up my vagina and chat with random strangers and do whatever their fantasies desire. That's the problem is that people, you think it's autonomy. You think that you have control of yourself when really you have no control. You're letting other guys control you. You're putting a dollar amount on your self worth. And that's the problem is that you're worth more than a dollar amount. And when we die, we leave a legacy here on earth. So you're very young or a lot of only fans models are very young and these older only fans models. And I almost understand it for the old lady that's going into it, because they're out, they don't have any other job. They can't make a living. I can almost understand why it would be intoxicating for an old woman that had nothing else in life. But showing your vagina on the internet should be the last resort on having to make money. And the reason why that's bad for society is because it just encourages more of it. So it's going to make it harder for you to actually have fulfilling relationships later on in life if you're constantly doing sex work. And I'll tell you this much, if you look at the sex trafficking that's happening here in America, it's at the highest rate that it's ever been in California. Now they're having more people walk the street than they've ever had before. You have prostitution happening at an alarming rate with young children. So once again, I think it's the attack on young kids. So this is why only fans is bad because a lot of impressionable young women are turning to it because they don't know any better. And that's what I thought when I was young, I thought I knew everything. When I was 21, I thought I knew everything. I didn't care what people thought. But then you turn 30 and you're like, Oh, what, you know what, maybe I shouldn't have done that stuff in my past because there's stuff I look back and I regret I said, Oh, man, I made the wrong decision there. And that's my whole point, I guess, with my opening statement is that young women are making decisions that are going to affect them for the rest of their life. And it's going to cause them so much problems. And what they don't realize, it doesn't just affect you diddly, it affects your cousins, your mother, your sister, they're not showing their buttholes on the internet, but you are attached to them. So now when people talk to them, Oh my gosh, what is your daughter doing? Oh, well, my daughter is going to college. Oh, my daughter is working at an insurance company. What does your daughter do? Oh, well, my daughter spreads your vagina for 499 on the internet. So now you're causing massive embarrassment to your family. So for me, when we talk about the whole of society, if you really look at the direction we're going, we need less sex work, we need less sex trafficking, we need less pornography, and we need, I guess, I guess in an overall abundance, we need less sex workers. And you think, Oh man, that's so empowering. I get paid to have sex. But I'm telling you that only lasts so long, unless people have some sort of weird fetish and they like, you know, nasty older girls, I guess you could do it for the rest of your life. But just like anything, we are, we're biological matter. And every minute I hate to be like this, we're actually decaying. So you got to look at your self worth and how much money you can make now. It's probably only going to get less and less and less because the older you get, you're probably going to get less attractive. So in the long term, it's terrible for you. And then in the amateur porn business, they teach you this in the movie girls, it's called hot girls wanting that the average porn career for a girl is like four months after four months are done with it because it's so terrible. Now I don't know the average career for an only fans model, but I can imagine that there's a lot of girls that do it and in their account. As a matter of fact, I've heard stories of girls doing and ending their account. So this is the reason why society doesn't need only fans. We don't need it because we shouldn't have girls that are just selling themselves for pennies on the dollar. Girls are worth more than that. A woman is one of the most special beings there is. They can carry a baby. They have so much importance to society other than their vagina, other than simulating sex. So if you're going to continue to make your whole life about sex, it's going to be very bad. So I'm just very empathetic to a lot of the girls that have been bamboozled and tricked into showing their vagina on the internet just for a little bit of money because a little bit of money only lasts so long as a guy that has a little bit of money. I'm telling you, money doesn't make you happy. Biggie Small said it best, more money, more problems. And I've seen girls that didn't have a job and now that they'll post their only fans account that they're making a million dollars and you're like, oh great, you're a millionaire. But at what cost? At what cost? What is your soul cost? You know, what is your family cost? What is the embarrassment that you're going to cause for the rest of your life? How much does that cost? Because I promise you, one million dollars is not going to last you the rest of your life. So for me, I would just argue and that's what I'm going to continue to argue tonight. As a whole, only fans encourages more young people to get into sex work, and it's a career that's not beneficial to them. It's a career that probably hurts their self-esteem. It probably hurts their emotional connections to future husbands or boyfriends and it embarrasses their families. So for all the daughters out there embarrassing their fathers, that sucks. I feel bad for all the dads out there. I feel bad for all the good moms out there that have to go to all their family gatherings or go to their work functions and say, you know what? My daughter shows her butthole on the internet. So that's why for society as a whole, I don't think only fans is very good at all. And you know, time will tell. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I am, but we will know with time. All right, speaking of time, that was pretty good right there. So we're going to get it into our open discussion, everybody, but I do want to once again just inject with the quick housekeeping. You see the thermometer over here. That is a representation of our crowdfund where you can get access to all kinds of great perks for the upcoming debate conference. So if you can't be in Dallas, you know, you're living in a far off place, but you still want to support the event, you can get access to these signed emblems here and just by going to our crowdfund in the event there. So you can get a signed picture of your favorite speaker or this signed emblem that you're seeing here on the right. So let's kick an end of the discussion, everybody, and thank you again to our speakers for their introduction. We'll pass it back over to you, Diddly, to respond to some of what you just heard. And I'm going to just remind the audience as well that we did say that there are no holds barred tonight. So let's get it going. Over to you, Diddly. Cool. Okay. So I wrote a lot of notes down because there was a lot there. And there was also a lot of misconceptions as well that I heard. But I'll pull you up on one thing initially, because this is something like I've heard all those things before all those arguments come up whenever I'm talking about only fans online. One thing that consistently comes up that just irks me a little bit is the constant need to say, you know, we're doing it for $4.99. We're doing it for pennies. We're doing it for this amount. But I mean, if you think that it's bad in general, why does the dollar amount, it's almost as if you're saying like, if they're making more money, somehow it's fine. Is that true? Like, do you believe that it's better if you're making more money from early fans? Well, let me give you an example, Diddly. You're very young, but do you see this magazine called Playboy Magazine? It was one of the most popular magazines. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. But in Playboy Magazine, what they would do is they would pay millions and millions of dollars to have a celebrity show her boobs. And the reason why these boobs are so valuable, the reason why they're able to make a million dollars for having one spread with their tits is because they didn't sell their boobs for $4.99. The problem is, is when you're doing it at such a cheap price, it shows you that you have no worth. You actually put a price on your worth. So that's why we talk about the price because I would say that I think you're a beautiful young woman. I think that you're worth more than $5 a month to be fully exposed on the Internet. Yeah, this is what I don't get. People always say you're worth more than $5 a month, but you realize with early fans it's like, it's not five. You're not worth $5 a month. It's five times $5,000. But even if it's a million dollars, it's still not good. I'm just telling you. I just find it weird that people often emphasize the small amount of money as if... Because that's all it costs. How much is your only fans, Diddly? 15. So if I pay 15 bucks and are you on their butt naked? No. You're not naked on your only fans? No. So all that talk about like showing your butthole... I know. So what do you do on only fans? What do you do on only fans? I mostly do audio erotica. I specialize in ASMR. So I do not say for work ASMR. So you're not nude on any of your stuff? I'm as close to nude as you can get without showing your butthole or nipples or vagina. So does that change your argument at all? No, not really, because you're still making these like ASMR videos. Like, so what do your parents think about your only fans account? What do they think of my account or what do they think of me doing it? Because obviously they haven't seen my account. Yeah, why haven't you? Why isn't your dad seeing your account? Why hasn't my dad seen my only fans account? Why isn't your dad seeing your only fans account? He doesn't want to, nor do I want him to? I know because that's embarrassing, right? Isn't that so terrible? I would just think we're both not really into incest. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So it's bad. That's not about embarrassment. That's about not being into incest. Okay. Well, just imagine working a job that you can't even show your dad what you're doing. Isn't that embarrassing? Is your dad proud that you're an only fans mom? He's proud that I'm in a job that I enjoy and I make a lot of money doing it. He really says that you're being honest right now. Your parents are proud of you. Yeah, I'm really close with my mom dad. And they like that your only fans today tell like your friends and family like, oh, yeah, they joke about it with their friends. Like, oh, they joke about it. They joke about it. Yeah. Oh, she's making rent with a foot pick. Well, I don't know anything about you, but I'm guessing your parents don't make very much money. That's not true. Or are your parents wealthy? No. So that's what I'm saying. Usually only fans models, they come, a lot of them come from, you know, families that aren't very wealthy. So there are dads that are like, oh, well, we're doing so bad. Maybe we can use our daughter. That's called trafficking. No, that doesn't happen. Oh, you were telling that nobody traffics their kids? That doesn't happen. You think fathers are trafficking that adult daughters on early fans? Yeah, if your dad's talking with his friends about your only fans account, telling them about it and then getting them to sign up, your dad is sexually trafficking you, Han. That's not what's happening. That is okay. Does your dad talk to your friends about your only fans account? Up to my friends? To his friends. Does he ever talk about your show? Your dad's never mentioned only fans to any of his friends? I don't know. Ask him. Okay. What I'm saying is, and if we live in reality, I'm sure your dad and mom have interacted with somebody and told them that you have an only fan. So what does that make somebody do? Oh, well, you know what? I kind of want to see Diddley. I'd like to see his daughter. I'd like to see what she's doing. So indirectly, they're trafficking you by marketing your only fans. So just think about that. They're not marketing my early fans. That's not a thing. Yes, it is. If you're parents. They don't even... What? Did they have the link? Did they have it written on a t-shirt? I think everybody would know how to use Google. I mean, I think anybody could figure out... Okay, what are they going to look up? If you type in Diddley only fans, I'm sure your account comes up. Why would a random friend type in Diddley? Because your dad was telling him, oh, my daughter's on only fans. I'm so proud of her. I think it's awesome. Do you think my dad is saying my daughter's on only fans? Her name is Diddley. That's just not reality. So you're saying your dad doesn't... So that means your dad's embarrassed. He's too embarrassed to talk about what you're doing. They're not the only two options. So your dad's not embarrassed, but he will not tell anybody that you have an only fans. He's not going to march my only fans. No. So if we can... That's ridiculous. If we can try to move out of the personal conversation, I think we've explored this about as much as we can. And we usually try to keep it a little more broad. I don't mind you guys doing as you please, but let's try to focus on the more broad picture of only fans and not just specifically one profile. So let's get back to it. Another point you made was that money shouldn't be the only thing that drives you. I agree with that. I think that the more you're just hoping for money and nothing else that's your only driving factor, I think the more likely someone is to regret doing what I do, which is why I would advise against people doing it just for money. But that's the factor you didn't really consider. It sounded like you think in most cases or all cases, only fans is the last resort that people do. They're desperate for money. But did you consider that people want to do your only fans? I want to do your only fans. I enjoy it. So those are people that have a sexual fetish for voyeurism. So is that your case? Exhibitionism. Or exhibitionism, voyeurism, you like people to watch. So then, I mean, what are we talking about now? So you have only fans models all have a weird sexual kink. They want to be watched. And that is... I would say a lot of them do. A lot of people obviously who are into exhibitionism would gravitate towards showing themselves off. Would they not? No, they would. And that's why they have swingers clubs. There's all types of people that do that. I mean, I understand. Yeah. I mean, of course, there's some people that want it, just they want to be seen. But I think let's just be real. That's not why people do it. I would say 99% of the people that join only fans is for financial gain. Because you can do... You can be a voyeur without paying, you know, without having an only fans. You don't have to have an only fans. It's a way to monetize that. So I do think... I mean, we can argue about this, but you don't think money is a big driving force for people to sign up? Oh, no. I'm 100% of course, but it's not the only driving factor. And like I said, I would... I agree. I agree. It's not the only one. I think it's the main one, though. I think it's the heavily main factor why people would do it. Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with that. No, there's nothing wrong with making money, but there's better ways to make money that are less embarrassing, that are going to have less of a stain on their future. Like, okay, perfect example. Dillie, if you wanted to quit this, do you think that you could go get a job at a bank? I wouldn't want to work at a bank. I'm just saying, do you think you could get a job? Could I get a job elsewhere? Yeah, 100%. Like what? What kind of job? I'll think about it if the time comes, when I... I mean, I guess you could be a waitress. Not that I'm hating on waitresses, I'm sure. I mean, I have to degree up my sleeve if I ever want to pursue that, so... And you think you're going to be able to use a degree now that you're butt naked on the internet? Yeah, why wouldn't I? Because I think that any employer would say, oh my gosh, this employee, this is unbecoming of a nice woman. You know, it's like, there is a thing... You have to admit though, there's a thing called being classy and there's a thing called being trashy. Would you say it's classy to be in a thong and have your nipples bury the cupboard or would you say that it is more trashy? I don't really use those descriptives. I think it's sexy. But is it classy? Like, is it classy? Would you want your daughter to... Would you want... Are you classy? Are you classy? No, I'm a pimp on a blimp. I am classy, but I'm more classy than only. So it's like you do detrimental to society then? You're not classy? Well, yes, what I do, I hope I'm detrimental to society, honestly, because I'm totally different. What I'm trying to do is I'm a cultural jammer. I try to freaking expose all the hypocrisy in the world. So yeah, I do want to be a detriment to society. I want society to fear me because... So you basically have no morals then because you... No, I have morals. Your job is a detriment to society, but you're still going to do it. No, I have morals. What I'm saying is we live in a society that's wrong with only fans' models of young girls. We live in a system where the government constantly lies to us. So the system that is built right now that encourages young kids to become porn stars, yeah, I want to break that system up. I want to disrupt it. Yeah, 18-year-olds is a kid, in my opinion. I think 18-year-olds are still a teenager. Is an 18-year-old a teenager? Yes. Is a 19-year-old a teenager? Can they be on only fan? Yes, they can. Yeah, so teenagers are on only fans. I consider teenagers kids, but I mean, I'm a lot older than you. So that's how I would say that there's kids on only fans. Are they under 18? No, but I would say 18 is very young. I would say 19 is very young, basically a child. Okay. And if the debate is good for society, I mean, overall it's terrible because the amount of girls that wouldn't have gotten to sex work if only fans didn't exist, there'd be a lot less women in sex work. Do you think sex work is a good business? Do you think that's a good job? So what's the next step from that? Do you want to ban pornography? I mean, I wouldn't mind it. I mean, I would limit it or make it more controlled. I mean, listen, I like freedom of speech. I like the First Amendment more than anybody, but it's so weird how the First Amendment, you can just literally hold the camera and you can just pay a girl on camera and have sex with her. But if you go and you try to not do it on camera, if you go and pay a woman on the street, that's a crime that's called prostitution. So for me, that's a terrible loophole because it's the same thing. Me holding a camera and paying you money for it, somehow that's legal. But if I don't use the camera and I just pay you, now that's prostitution. So that's the system that's messed up that I don't like, that I think is crooked. So we should legalize escorting and those kinds of services. Well, that would only increase child sex trafficking and would get more kids involved. Like, do you- I mean, I know that the countries that have like the highest prevalence of sex trafficking countries where porn is illegal. Okay, but what does that have to do with what I'm saying? I'm just saying it's not good for society. I mean, there's still sex trafficking where porn is legal, would you agree? Yes, but there's more where it's illegal. Okay, so you're saying only fans stop sex trafficking by making it legal? That's my point. No, not at all. I'm saying- But if your point is that we should ban porn to reduce sex trafficking, that makes no sense because- My point is that porn is- I'm saying porn is technically illegal. The only thing that makes it legal is that you film it. If I wanted to pay a person for sex without a camera- What is technically illegal? What do you mean? If I was to pay a person for sex without a camera, that is a crime. That's called prostitution. Prostitution is not legal in the United States. I don't know if it's legal in Australia, but it's not legal in the United States. But if I get a girl to sign a waiver and I film it, now that is illegal. So in my mind, because I'm based in reality, just because they're holding a camera, it's still prostitution. So by the code of the law, my opinion- I agree. That doesn't make sense. We should legalize prostitution. Or we should stop prostitution and stop sex work totally. That's what we should do. It's not a good business. It's not fruitful. Do you consider yourself a libertarian? I do. I do consider myself a libertarian. So how is that consistent? Well, I mean, some of my views, you know, I believe that we should have socialized medicine. So that's not very libertarian. I mean, I think- But you want to ban people from whacking it to buttholes if they want to? I think there should be less of it. Yeah, I think there should be less. But that's different. You think that should be less fine. But you're all saying you want to ban it. Are you not? Well, I'm saying we should hold the same standards that we hold the prostitute to. If that's illegal, then porn should be illegal is my point. I think it's very hypocritical that because I'm holding a camera, all of a sudden now it's legal. So I would say- Why as a libertarian would you want to then ban it rather than just making it all- Well, first of all, you're trying to label me as libertarian. I'm much more than just- You said you were. I have libertarian views. Yes, of course. But I have a socialistic views. If I want socialized medicine, I have conservative views. So I'm not just in a box. I would say I'm a populist more than anything. So I think that if you look at society as a whole, is OnlyFans helping society? No, I think it's poisoning society. It's poisoning the youth and it's making kids. And some of the examples we brought up, for example, was sex trafficking, even though we've established that it's hiring. I don't know if that's true, but I think sex trafficking exists- On top of that. But real quick, real quick, what about OnlyFans pimps? You've heard of OnlyFans pimps, right? Yeah. Okay, so that's sex trafficking. That's digital sex trafficking. So these guys that take vulnerable girls and then create their account form, that is a form of sex trafficking. I'm against sex trafficking. It sounds like you're pro-sex. Then why is it okay with all the OnlyFans pimps that pimp out these girls and have multiple girls? It's not okay. When did I say that? Like perfect example, Andrew Tate. You might think I'm a huge Andrew Tate fan. Well, he's getting in trouble because technically, they're saying that he's a sex trafficker. I don't know if that's true, but I'm saying the reason why they're saying he's a sex trafficker is because he has multiple girls in their house. He'll take their passport, he'll make it where they can't leave, and he forces them to go on these sites, these campsites, and expose themselves. So that's why I think it's bad because it opens up more avenues for people like that to traffic girls digitally. I'm not saying that in countries with less porn that there's not more sex trafficking. I'm not trying to argue that. I'm saying sex trafficking is bad everywhere. I don't want sex trafficking to exist. For society, we need less sex trafficking. My point was that banning porn isn't going to result in less sex trafficking, which was the point you were trying to make. No, I don't know if that's true. I think if we ban porn, there probably would be. You're telling me, where is porn banned in Saudi Arabia? Yeah, mostly, the Middle East. That's what I'm saying. So you're telling me there's a ton of sex trafficking in the Middle East? Yeah. Is there more sex trafficking in the Middle East than in America? Absolutely. I don't know if that's true. We're going to have to hear. It's either here or there. Sex trafficking is bad. So it's still happening with OnlyFans models. Whether it's happening in Saudi Arabia, there's people that are using vulnerable girls and exposing them by either making them do this or lying to them, gaslighting them, telling them it's going to be good for their life. It's going to be a good career. But in reality, it's not. So that's why I don't like it. Sex trafficking is bad. I'm glad we can both agree on that. So OnlyFans only encourages more people to sex trafficking. That is not true. How is that not true? There's people that get sex trafficked on OnlyFans daily. You know that. Okay. Sex trafficking exists. Yes. Banning porn, banning OnlyFans is not going to mitigate that. Am I reducing it a little bit? I think it would. It would reduce all the people that are OnlyFans doing it. We've already established that countries that ban porn have higher sex trafficking, yes. I'm saying here, let's just use Australia and America. We need less sex trafficking here. So you can say Saudi Arabia. We need no sex trafficking, actually. I agree. But OnlyFans only encourages more sex trafficking. I don't think you have any evidence to back that up. I do, because I know people that pimp out girls on OnlyFans. That's been exposed. That would be happening with or without OnlyFans. No. OnlyFans makes it easier because now there's a platform that everybody can sign up for. Do you have a source that says that OnlyFans has increased sex trafficking? I don't need to have a source. I'm based in reality. There's more girls. What I'm saying is, because we're based in reality, now that OnlyFans exist, there's more girls showing themselves being naked, more girls setting themselves up to be sex trafficked. That's like, I mean, we can debate that, but that's what's happening. Now that there's an avenue where guys can take vulnerable women and show them on the internet, that's only going to increase the amount of girls that get trafficked sexually. Okay. Well, we don't see any evidence of that. So let's move on. One thing I wanted to pick you up on as well was you brought up kids committing suicide because they were bullied in school because their mom did OnlyFans. Was that from the Reddit story that was proven fake? There's multiple stories of that. There's multiple stories. Yes, and they almost always come from Reddit. Oh, so you're telling me there's no kid that's ever committed suicide because their mom was on OnlyFans? Is that what you're trying to say? I have done, I have actually done sadly hours of research into this because this is the point that people bring up to me the most. Your kid's going to get bullied, blah, blah, blah. Your kid is going to get bullied. I have scoured the internet for every news story I can find on this. The vast majority of them stem from two fake Reddit stories which sounds like the one you're bringing up because it was a kid that committed suicide that comes from a fake Reddit story. I don't know if that story is fake. I don't know if that story is fake, but even let's just say they don't commit suicide. Think about how embarrassing that is. You don't think you would be embarrassed if your mom was on OnlyFans while you're in school? Why would I care what my mom does with her vagina? Because that's your mother. She's a representation of you. She's your family. You don't think that's embarrassing? You really, I mean, listen, you really don't think that that would be embarrassing if all of your friends could see your mom naked for $4.99 on the internet? You don't think that would be embarrassing? If they were like bullying you and showing you videos of your mom. And you don't think that's ever happened? Of course that would be embarrassing. Oh, wait, okay, Giddly. You're telling me no kid in any school has showed a OnlyFans model's son or daughter. They're OnlyFans. You're saying that's never happened? I'm telling you, I've looked into this. I could find one article where it actually happened. And in that case. It happened in that article. So you admit that it happened. In that case? See, it's called Loser Denials, which you're in. And I mean, that's what it is. You're just in denial about it. Okay, let me finish. In that one case that I could find out amongst all the fake stories, the one kid that was bullied didn't even care. They shrugged it off. And it was a go. Okay. And that's that you believe that you believe is no big deal. But you believe the fake Reddit stories about kids? I don't know if that story is fake. I think there's a lot of kids that are very embarrassed by their mom's OnlyFans. Yes. This is another thing that's happening. It is, Giddly. There are kids. People online think that this is happening every day at such a large match. Do you know who Aiden Ross is? Do you know who Aiden Ross is? Yes. Do you know Aiden Ross is sisters and OnlyFans? I don't know who his sister is. Well, his sister is not OnlyFans. And there's lots of streams where people, while he's streaming, they will trick Aiden Ross into opening up a video of his sisters OnlyFans. And every time that happens, he's incredibly embarrassed. He's sick about it. He immediately shuts it down because it's impossible for you not to be ashamed if one of your family members is self-worth is so low that they're selling their body on the internet. It's sex work. Nobody wants to do sex work. But that isn't a problem with OnlyFans. That's a problem with sex work stigma perpetrated by society. Do you would you agree that OnlyFans creates more sex workers? Yes. Okay. So, I mean, there you go. What do you mean there? Well, if OnlyFans creates more sex workers and then more people are embarrassed because their family members are a sex worker, that would be bad for society. We shouldn't have to be embarrassed about the people we love the most. And that's the other thing. It's like your family members, they're going to be with you no matter what. Like your parents aren't going to disown you because they love you so much. But that doesn't mean they're proud. That doesn't mean they're happy. But again, this isn't a problem with OnlyFans. This is a problem with stigma perpetuated by society. Yeah. I know that's a terrible stigma. A sex worker stigma lives you. It's called a crime of moral turpitude. You're basically an internet prostitute. And being prostitution is bad. I mean, do you think prostitution is good? I don't think it's bad. You don't think being a prostitute is bad? I think people being able to do what they want, even if that includes prostitution, is a good thing. What about heroin? Do you think heroin should be legal? I think it should be legal. I'm also legalizing drugs. Do you think that would be good for society? Yes. Okay. We know that it's good for society. If heroin is legal, we've had more federal businesses. No, we know that legalizing drugs or decriminalizing drugs is good for society. That's false. Where are you getting those numbers? How would decriminalizing drugs- Feel free to Google. It's the same thing. It's like you're just decriminalizing porn, but really- It makes it safer. So it literally reduces harm. That's not true. All you have to do is go to any safe injection site in Philadelphia or San Francisco. All of these surrounding businesses say it's terrible, that it only increases crime, it only increases more people overdosing. So I would argue that drugs are bad, but you say drugs are good, but this is coming from a person that literally sells- I say legalizing drugs is good. I'm not saying drugs are good. All right, back to the only fans. Okay, so back to the only fans. Well, it does connect to prostitution, because prostitution's bad. And I mean, I guess you say prostitution's good, but I guess a prostitute would have to say that, right? Sure. I mean, could a prostitute say- Do you think there's any prostitutes that hate being a prostitute? Yeah. But maybe they were encouraged- I don't hate doing any fans, so it's not really relevant. You think there's anybody that does only fans? Like we said, we talked about earlier, the trafficking. There's people doing only fans outside of their control. Don't you think there's people being manipulated? I think we've already established sex trafficking. That's what I'm saying. So that's bad. So if only fans encourage sex trafficking, that's bad. We haven't established that it does, though. You had no sources on that. I'm saying the girls that are on there showing their buttholes for $5.99 is bad for society, because they are either trafficking themselves or they're being trafficked by somebody. Trafficking themselves. Like you're being a prostitute, even if you're the pimp, if you're the pimp and the prostitute, I'm a pimp myself, I'm a pimp on a blimp. You're trafficking yourself, so you're a sex trafficker, did you? What does that mean? You're selling your vagina online. I need to find trafficking. Trafficking is making it available to massive amounts of people, spreading it, going from one country, Australia. Now any country can see your buttholes. But you would think consent is the major factor in defining trafficking, wouldn't you? Well, I mean, honestly, I don't even know if you have... What have you consented to? I mean, you've consented to showing... So you're doing earnly fans? Yes, but don't you get people like sending you messages all the time that want you to do more stuff and then do you answer those DMs? You don't do that. But would you say most women do respond to the messages and do the stuff? Like there was a guy, I read a story, that he wanted and he paid a girl to put peanut butter in her vagina and have a dog lick it out. Do you think that's good for society? That wouldn't be allowed on earnly fans. Is that good for society? Uh, bestiality? Yeah. Probably not. And so... What does that have to do with earnly fans? Because only fans is a platform where more people can encourage other people to commit bestiality. Without only fans. Yes. Why does that... I love how you're laughing about that, but there's people that are sexual perverts that are on there that are calling... I'm sorry, that's just so ridiculous. That's true. You're telling me that you don't think there's people on only fans that have bestiality fetishes? Oh my God. Think about all the weird sexual fetishes there are diddly. There's a lot of weird things... Looking at you, I would think you're more likely to have a bestiality fetish. Well, I know. I can look at you and see your butt hole for $4.99. So you can say whatever you want about me. You're the prostitute, not me, diddly. I mean, you can say whatever you want. You're the whore, not me. So I know that's cute. I know that's really awesome, but I'm not the whore. I mean, you can say I'm into bestiality, but you're the one that gets messages from guys probably begging you to do very disgusting things. And you can say, well, I don't answer it, but you know there's tons of guys sending tons of girls' messages asking them and encouraging with money to do stuff that they wouldn't even think of consciously. But they get these ideas. My YouTube comment section is more disgusting than my only fan's DMs. Does that mean YouTube is detrimental to society? Yes. Honestly, social media, I think, is detrimental to society. Why do you want YouTube then? Get off. Follow your moral system. No. I'm going to be on YouTube because I want to expose people like you. So you're going to be a moral. You're not going to abide by your own moral system. You can say I'm a moral. You're putting on to me now. You can say I'm a moral. But telling me to follow your moral system, but you can't even follow it yourself. What does that mean? You don't have to follow my system. I'm just saying what you're doing is bad for society. That's what we're here to debate is you're only encouraging society. But you're also saying what I'm doing is bad for society. Therefore, I should stop. Wrap up the point there. No, I didn't tell you to stop. You keep doing it. I don't think you have any other career choices. I don't think you're talented enough to actually. You literally just said earlier you would like to ban pornography. I would, but I'm saying, just from this debate, I can tell that you're probably not smart enough to actually have a real job. That's why you have to talk about sexual stuff and be a whore on the Internet. Because you're not talented enough. That's why I run it coming from a failed comedian. How am I a failed comedian? I got a show on the blaze. I'm a pimp on a blimp. I sell out shows all the time. How am I failed? Is yours a real job? Yeah, I make a lot of money. Yes, I work for a company. How is being a YouTuber more of a real job than a YouTuber who does only fans? Because you're selling yourself on the Internet for $5.99. You're selling yourself for what? How much is blaze paying you? Yeah, but I don't stick a dildo in my vagina. I don't have to say sexual stuff. All right. What I'm saying, we're talking about overall, like you want to take potshots with me. I don't care. I deal with prostitutes like you all the time. Like I said, I'm a pimp. I mean, it's funny. The prostitute wants to get fresh, but you're in loser denial. Like your parents are ashamed of your job. You're not proud of your job. What do your classmates say about your job, Diddly? My classmates. We're talking about your kids. Sorry to cut you off, but we are talking about the people you went to school with. Like are you proud of your reunion? Are you going to go to your reunion in just one second? They think it's awesome. You believe that? Oh my gosh. They told me that. All right. I don't want to put anybody on mute. Just to hold on a second. I don't want to put anybody on mute, but once again, we are focusing specifically on one account. So I know you said that you had a list there that you took at the beginning there, Diddly. So if you had a couple more that you wanted to get into before we go into our Q&A, you know, we can probably have a little bit, like a 10 to 15 more minutes of open dialogue if you guys are comfortable with that. Yep, shaking your head. Good. So yeah, if you want to go down one of those other things that you had highlighted there, Diddly, we'll try to get back onto the broader subject here. Okay. Let's see. Okay. Well, you keep bringing up, I'm causing massive embarrassment to my family. That's not true. Mass embarrassment to my peers. Not true. No, that is relevant to me. You also brought up that we need less sex work. So I'm wondering, shouldn't you want OnlyFans then, considering OnlyFans allows sex workers to quit IRL sex work so they can pursue online only sex work? Digital sex work is just as bad as IRL sex work. You're still doing IRL sex work. You're still filming it. You're doing it in real life and filming it. Well, it's not just that. We know that it's safer and more. I don't think that it's safer or ethical. You're just saying that. I don't agree with that. I don't think it's safer at all one bit because you're making yourself open up to a whole new. You don't think that doing OnlyFans in front of a camera in the privacy and safety of your own room is any less safe than going to a brothel or going out on the street having sex with strangers. Diddly, have you not heard of OnlyFans models getting doxxed and guys coming to their house and doing weird stuff? Do you think being murdered on the streets or raped is the same level as being doxxed? I'm saying I think there's OnlyFans models that have probably been raped before. So I'm just saying overall, we're talking about the. You can't get raped while you're at work on OnlyFans. You're in front of a camera. Well, you're kind of raping yourself. But yeah, I mean. You're raping yourself. What does that even mean? You're raping yourself. You're you're selling yourself for money. Like you're you're raping yourself. Yeah. It's consensual. I'm trying not to get us demoned there, guys. I think that was like six or seven times. You guys just say that word. But let's carry on. But I'm just saying overall, we're talking about society. I get it. Your life's perfect. You're an OnlyFans model and your life is so great. And I'm just a guy that has a show on Blaze TV and I don't know anything. So I get it. But I'm saying there's going to be a time and place where you're going to be very embarrassed. I don't know what your relationship is, but if you're with a guy, he's obviously a cuckold. So are you in a relationship? Actually, the cup. So you let your do you let your boyfriend sleep with other girls? I think it's hot. You see, that shows you that you're a whore and you're disgusting. That's not a monogamous relationship. That's not based if you're letting your boyfriend bang other girls. That's pathetic. That's sad. That should be within my right, right? I guess you can do whatever you want. I'm just saying that's disgusting, that your boyfriend's a cuckold. Do you sleep with other guys? Do you have an open relationship? Can you bang other guys? I mean, I would say I'm not monogamous. But so not monogamous. So think about that. So you're with a cuckold. That's terrible. I can guarantee. No, I already said I'm the cuck. Like I'm both cucks. You're both cucks. You're both being cuckolded if you're cheating on each other and you have an open marriage. So that's bad. That's not going to be. I can guarantee because that relationship that you have with that guy is going to end up being terrible. I'm just telling you, it's going to end up very bad. Are you in a relationship? I am in a relationship. And I'll tell you this much. I would never I would never share my girlfriend with anybody. That's the last thing that's fine. I would ever do a long time, a very long time. And under no circumstance, no amount of money, no amount of cuckold fantasies. I'm not saying you need to. I'm not recommending this lifestyle to you. What are you going on with? The reason why? Because it's a terrible lifestyle. Like you're trying. You're coping. You're in loser denial. You're trying to say this is a good lifestyle. But you're probably in a monogamy. It's a good lifestyle for me. It might not be. Because you're a whore. Because you're a whore. Because you need to get laid a bunch. That's nice. That's not. Most most people shouldn't be just getting banged by random dudes while simultaneously being in a relationship. The point of being in a relationship all the way back to the crux of the argument, which is that people should be allowed to do what they want. Should they? As long as they're not causing harm to anyone. No, you are causing harm to people. You're causing harm to your family or causing harm to yourself. You're causing harm to your future. I don't know. Well, there are people that are. My family is very supportive. I don't have conservative parents. Thanks. But not all. Would you say every parent is proud of their only friend's daughter? Or would you say the majority of parents would be embarrassed by it? It doesn't change the fact that. So that's bad for society. If the majority of women are embarrassing their parents, that's bad for society. Parents want to be proud of their daughter. A societal stigma does not mean the act itself is wrong. Like, think about how we viewed tattoos just decades ago. Anyone with a tattoo is trashy. You're not going to be able to get a job later on in life. Look a few decades down the line now and it hardly affects your job prosperity. And everyone has almost, like, what is it? 30% of people have tattoos now? Yeah. Well, it's being a whore and having a tattoo are two different things for society. Well, obviously. That's why I'm using a comparison. That's what comparisons are for. I'm comparing two different things. Why would you say by this conversation alone, I don't think you're as proud to be an only friend's whore as you're acting. I think that you're seriously coping with this. And I think that your family's probably coping. And I think that that would be extrapolated to most only fans' models that... Yeah. People say that a lot because that's the only way that you can accept your own argument because you can't accept the reality that I'm happy with what I do. Well, you're so happy that your husband or your boyfriend can't sexually please you. You have to go and bang multiple guys. So you probably... And this is probably personal and I don't know this deadly, but were you ever the victim of any sexual trauma as a child? No. Okay. Okay. Well, a lot of girls that go into prostitution were the victims of being sexually molested. A lot of girls tell you that in porn. So I think that's really bad is that girls that were molested are very anti-molestation. They end up having to go into this work because they have such low worth. What? One thing I just can't write my head around is that you claim only fans is bad for society. You want to ban porn. You also think what you do for work is bad for society. But yet you continue to do what you're doing. You're telling me I shouldn't be doing what I'm doing. I'm trying to fix society. I think society is already bad. So why don't you delete your YouTube channel? Because having a YouTube channel and only fans are totally different things. Can you do... Can you show your butthole on YouTube? No. There's a terms of service. It doesn't matter. You already admitted that what you do is detrimental to society as a net negative for society. Why would you... No, I didn't say I'm a net negative. I'm a net positive, but I'm a disruptor. I think the society we live in is messed up. So I try to call it out. That's why I come on here and I try to call out you because I think you're better than being a sex worker. But after talking to you, I realized that's probably your only talent is saying... What I do is I go out and I call out politicians because I think that politicians lie to us. I go to drag queen story time for children and try to shut them down. I don't think drag queens should be reading to children. So for society, the mainstream media will call me alt right and then I'm bad. But no, I'm actually calling out the hypocrisy of the world we live in. Perfect example of video that went viral this weekend of mine. You know, got... I think it's a 2.6 million views. It's called Queers for Palestine. I like to call out the fact that there's actually queer people that are on the side of Hamash. Yet if they were in the Middle East, they would literally get thrown off a building. That's the society we live in. I try to expose stuff like that while you go on the internet and literally talk nasty into a microphone for $15 a month. We're not the same. And the quality is the people want that. The world wants to shut the chicken to pornography. People want what I do too. Yeah, I know. And that's pathetic. Yes, and I'm not saying your content should be banned. I'm saying yours should. It's what the people want, right? Our content is not the same. They're vastly different. I don't think that you're making a very consistent argument, though. The consistency of my argument is not important. What's important is, is this good for society? You're trying to compare apples and oranges. I think the consistency isn't important. Because you're trying to compare YouTube and only fans. That's comparing apples and oranges. So you're talking about consistency. You're comparing two things that are vastly different. That's the point I'm trying to make. Do you know what a comparison is? Yeah, I understand. But YouTube and only fans are not the same. A comparison literally is compared to things that are different and drawing similarities. Oh, I'm very familiar with what a comparison is. It doesn't seem like you were. If you're comparing, you're trying to say, do you really think YouTube's the same as only fans? No. Okay. So what do you think? I understand the point I'm trying to make. So you're trying to say that I'm immoral because I have a YouTube channel. I'm saying you're immoral because you show your naked body on the internet for $15. It's not the same. Okay. Do you understand why I was making that comparison there? You were saying that. You're saying that I'm allowed to do YouTube. So you're trying to say. That's your mental to society. Well, I would argue that social media is detrimental to society, but that doesn't mean I want to get off social media. Why? Because I make a living on social media. It's just like you make a living being a whore. Yes, you're morally inconsistent and you don't uphold your own values, but you expect me to. No, you don't have to hold my values. You're allowed to do whatever you want. The debate is whether it's good for society. What you're doing is worse in society than being a YouTuber. You keep saying I'm allowed to do whatever I want, but at the same time, you're saying you would want pornography to be banned. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, because I would want more for you. I don't think that you're just a $15 a month whore. I think you're more than that, but you don't. That's a difference. I do. Do you think all I do is only fans? I think that's your main source of income. But do you think all I do is only fans? Okay. Well, I mean, I don't know. Maybe you garden or whatever, but it doesn't matter. You're always going to remember it as the only fans whore, your friends in school, your parents. You will always, you will never get rid of the social stigma of being a prostitute. I promise you that. I know you might not believe me, but you'll never break that social. Bring me back to my point that this isn't a problem with only fans itself. That's a social stigma, which is the problem. Well, being a prostitute is bad. How tos were exactly like that. I think being a prostitute is worse than getting a tattoo. Okay. Again, with the comparison thing, you're not getting it. It's two different things. Yes. But I'm drawing similarities. Well, I don't think they're that similar. I don't think they're that similar. I think being a prostitute is the lowest form, the lowest form of whore. I'm drawing similarities through the social stigma that existed 20 years ago with tattoos where people were told, don't get any tattoos. You won't get any jobs. No one will want to hire you. They're hideous. You'll regret it. But now, 20 years later, everyone loves tattoos. They're beautiful. 30 percent of people have tattoos and it doesn't matter. People are still going to hire you. Well, it does matter. If somebody has a face tattoo, they're going to have trouble getting a job. Yeah, I can't show it. But they would say that they need tattoos. A face tattoo. You can agree that the social stigma has decreased over time. Yeah. But I would say the social stigma is only going to increase with sex work. So they're different. Tattoos and sex work are different. But do you see the point I'm making is that a social stigma existing in itself does not mean the thing is bad for society? Yes, it is. I would say tattoos are bad for society. Why is that? Because if you get an unlicensed tattoo, you can get infected and people will change their mind. Okay, what about licensed tattoos? Well, I'm saying that there's a reason there's a huge business in tattoo removal. So if tattoo removal wasn't such a big business, why is everybody getting them removed if they love them so much? Because people don't want it anymore. That doesn't mean that it's bad for society. Because they don't want the social stigma of the tattoo anymore. See, you're never going to be able to get your tattoo. No, it's not to do what they don't like to eat. This is the thing is, sadly, you're never going to be able to get your prostitution removed from the internet. There's always going to be pictures of you in these vulnerable sexual positions. There's always going to be this- And I've already weighed up that risk. And what is the risk? What was the risk? Tell us what the way was. What did you weigh? Well, this whole argument pretty much has been about maximizing happiness whilst reducing risk. Weighing up, hmm, is this what- Come on, Diddley. You're not happy. You're not happy doing only things. Let's just be honest. Of course I am. I love it. It's literally my dream job. That's pathetic. That was your dream as a little girl when you were in elementary school. You said, well, I want to be a prostitute. No, it's close to what? That job didn't even exist. I want to be a prostitute when I grow up. Okay, even when you're an adult. That was your dream. Your dream is to be a prostitute. My dream was to share myself sexually with the world. Yes, I'm an activist. So let's be a prostitute. That's the saddest. I feel sorry for you. Now I'm empathetic to you. Now I feel really bad because I think you should have better dreams than that. I mean, you should dream to- I'm speaking to a Michael Jackson with a green screen and white cast all over its face telling me that I should be doing more. Well, I can Google you and I could make pictures of you and show you on this stream. There's nothing more embarrassing than that. Are you talking nasty into a mic? Ooh, I want to lick it. I want to- That's way more embarrassing. I'm telling you. And it's very embarrassing that- I'm not embarrassed by it, though. What? Well, your family's embarrassed for you. You're not embarrassed by the content you do, right? No, not at all. So you can understand why I'm not embarrassed by it. No, I can't. I can't because I'm not a prostitute. So once again, we're comparing apples and oranges. I'm a comedian. You're a prostitute. They're not the same. I don't think there's any reality where I can be happy with the work I'm doing. Not long term, no. All right. If we had another point you wanted to go down, maybe like for five minutes, or we can go into the Q&A. It's up to you, fellas. Oh, yes. Another point you made, which was just horrible. Showing your butthole is the worst thing you can do for your self-esteem. That was something you said. Yes. I think the opposite is actually true. Women who do your own defense, it literally increases their self-esteem. By being judged on your body. I mean, what about- You don't want to be judged for your brains, for being smart? By being sexually liberated, sharing themselves and people- When you say sexually liberated, that means being a nasty whore on the internet. Let's just be real. So you think that's not base. You should want to be proud of something you do with your mind, your body, your spirit, like something positive, not the fact that you spread your legs. Like that's not- Would you want your daughter to be an OnlyFans model? I would want her to be happy, healthy, and preferably wealthy. So you would want your daughter to go into OnlyFans? If that was what she wanted to do, I'd support her. Gosh. I mean, I can tell you had very bad parents, if you're an OnlyFans and you're probably going to be a terrible parent. I'm really close to that. That you couldn't do more in life besides being a prostitute? I could do more in life. I could do any other- Not anymore. Now you can't. You realize how many doors close now? I don't need to. You realize how many doors have closed now because you're a prostitute? Do you think I care if doors are closed when I have a successful YouTube channel in OnlyFans business? Well, YouTube, you can just get kicked off instantly because of terms of service. Do you think doors have closed for you with your work that you do now? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. So does that mean your work is bad? Less, way less doors have closed because of my work. And like you couldn't ever work at a real corporation. You couldn't work at a real company. Do you think your work is bad for society? No, my work's not bad for society, but what I'm trying to say is society is evil. Okay, so then your point about doors closing in the future is pointless. For you, you're never going to be able to get a real job. You're a prostitute. And you will? Yes, I could do whatever I want. I own a car business. I could go back into the car business in two seconds. So yeah, I'm in multiple industries. So you don't think I could start my own business? I guess, yeah, technically, you could start your own business, but you could never work for a company. Okay, thank you. So like I work at the Blaze. You could never work at the Blaze because you're a whore. You see what I'm saying? Like a prostitute, they wouldn't hire a prostitute. You could never be having any mainstream success. You couldn't work. Like I go on Sky News Australia. I'm a regular contributor on Sky News Australia. I would never hold myself out to the Blaze. But I'm saying you could never go on Sky News Australia. I go on there all the time and you could never do that. They would never have you on there. You could never work for them because they would say we don't want to... I've already been on national Australian TV. Well, I'm saying you could interview, but you could never work there. You could never get paid by them because... I wouldn't want to nor need to. Yeah, because you're a prostitute. You'd rather spread your legs. So... Do you think it takes a talent to spread your legs and to speak into a microphone? Do you think you're talented? I have talents. What are they? Well, ASMR for one is one of my things. Talking nasty. You're saying your talent is being a prostitute. That's your only talent? My YouTube is completely safe for work. I don't do anything sexual. But your only fans is not safe for work, right? Okay, but you would understand running a YouTube channel myself would obviously take skills. Like, for example, you just have a production that runs everything for you. You would have to lift a finger, right? I've ran my own channel for years before I got that. And how did that go? That's how I trained. It went good. My channel was very successful. Was it? Yes, it is. We spent a lot of time talking about each other's personal this and that. So let's try to get, I think, into our Q&A there, fellas, and get some of the questions rolled in. But I do want to let everybody know my last bit of housekeeping here before Q&A. You already know about the tickets. You know about the crowd fund and the amazing perks that we have there. But I do want to also let you know that we have a sponsor now. So it's a play, money, prediction, market platform where you can bet on anything. So you can bet on the debates that are happening this weekend. You can check out other links, two other things that you can bet on going on all over social media platforms. It's, I checked it out earlier. I was like, this is actually pretty interesting. I won't get into anymore. But yeah, definitely check the link in the description there. We do have a poll on who will win the Trump vs. Biden debate between Destiny and Sean Fitzgerald. So you'll see that next to me there, everybody. So let's get into our super chats. LJ coming in again, thinking we're doing a flatter debate. Never fails. Please ask, does Diddly believe we landed on the moon? Yes or no? Absolutely. All right. Yes. No way. Impossible. All right. Well, we won't go down to that rabbit hole, but maybe some other time. That could be fun. All right. Manga fan Dan says, can you guys make, can guys make only fans accounts? I want to make some of that man canned money. Absolutely you can. As I said in the beginning, I actually started out as a subscriber on only fans. So I love dabbling in a little bit of porn myself, particularly to solo male creators. They're making a lot of money. It's definitely possible. Being a prostitute. Being a prostitute. All right. Let's move on. Not good. Being a prostitute is the lowest form. I mean, it's just so talentless. It's so, but masturbating on camera is the most pathetic thing that you could probably ever do. I'm sorry. This is so funny looking at your camera and hearing those words. Well, it's funny that you masturbate on camera for a living. I know that's hilarious. Well, I'm glad that everybody's smiling and having a good time. So let's continue the next super chat. If you're having a good time in the chat there, I hit the like button. And, you know, call me out in the live chat because you're going to let me know that I said no bars held earlier. What the heck? I must just be tired. No holds barred. So yeah, if you heard some colorful language throughout the debate, that was all consented to beforehand. Everybody so high flyer. How much does only fans charge to see a white guy named Alex Dine impersonate and showing of MJ's butthole? I would charge. I'd be really cheap. Like her, I would charge 15 bucks because that's very little money. So everybody could afford it. I wouldn't want all the poor people to be able to see it. All right. Well, if you make it, I think they will come. I think they will. Sorry, I'm sorry. I should, I should pronounce a C-O-M-E, everybody. All right. So a smart Alec atheist. Shame sex workers. It's itself shameful. Sex and nudity is considered indecent is a social construct. So why is there anything wrong with sex workers considering that it is between consenting adults? You can't be naked in public. That's a crime. So we can't in some places. And I cannot have my penis out in a public area here in Dallas, Texas. Absolutely. You can go to nudist places. Places where it's like designated a legal area. Yeah. Some dark corner of the world. I'm talking about a real society. You're talking about like there might be one acre where there's a nudist farm. I'm talking about you can't walk around naked. You can look it up like nude beaches near me. They're fucking everywhere. Well, I guess in there, in Dallas, there's not. That's not it. It's a crime to be naked in public. Okay. Well, others places like detrimental to society as well, because people are allowed to run around. Yeah. There's a crime. It's called indecent exposure. You go to jail. Like people that show their penis. It's established that it's legal in those areas. Yeah. But I'm talking about I don't live in those areas. So everywhere I live, it's illegal to whip out your dog. Live there or not. I'm saying there are areas where it's legal. Are they? So it's called indecent exposure. Are they bad for society? If a child sees you butt naked, that's terrible for society. That's that's an indecent exposure. That's a crime. Yeah, that's bad. Not in these designated areas. I'm talking about being naked in non-designated areas is terrible for society. They're just saying that you can't just you can't just walk around naked in society. You have to go to some weird designated area. So that's not real society. Society is everywhere else where we congregate. In those areas where it's fully legal and the privacy of y'all are in harm. Obviously that's not. That's still indecent. That's still disgusting. I mean, I would never do that. But I'm saying that's still bad. Yeah, my opinion. That's what I'm debating. My opinion, not yours. So. All right. Let's carry into Charles Laner says, oh wait, where is Don Terrius? Wait, where is my wife? Do we know what this is? My wife's boyfriend Don Terrius. They're in the kitchen cooking something. Are you married or is that a meme? I'm married, yes. I'm not sure. You're a married. I was going to say, I wasn't sure what I was reading there. So if I've said something terrible, just you let me know. Hate Stairs. Great job, Ryan and Diddley. Well, thank you, Hate Stairs. Now he's got some criticism for you here, Alex. Alex, your entire argument was one giant shame fest. Try touching grass my brother in Christ. Okay, yeah. Well, it's very shameful to expose themselves on the internet for money. There's a lot of shame with that. I know she tries to act like there's no shame, but I guarantee her brothers. Well, you feel shame. I don't. Well, most people feel shame. I think you will one day. You will one day. I don't think I will. Well, we get the only time we'll tell. Unity is based. We'll carry into Yeshua the King. For both, should kids do only fans, why or why not? All right. That's a little strange. Should kids produce child pornography? Um, no. No. Child pornography is bad. We agree on that. Adult pornography is almost just as bad. Not as bad. Do you watch porn, Alex? No. When was the last time you watched porn? When I look at Instagram, sometimes there's a thong or two on there. I see. But no, I don't. I don't. So you follow them? You follow porn stars? No, I don't follow porn stars. I'm just saying every girl shows her ass on the internet now. That's why. Yeah, because you follow them. So they pop up on your feed. No. For my 4U page, I don't follow them. Sometimes it just comes up. Also you search for them in the 4U page? No, it comes up. It comes up. But no, I'm not a porn user. I mean, we're a prostitute like you. All right. Let's carry into the next one here. Smart Alec Atheist. Why should prostitution be illegal? It's between consenting adults. Why should it? It sounded like it was more a question for Alec. If it's between consenting adults. It's not legal. It's not legal. Well, they're asking why should prostitution be illegal? Why should a harm reduction is the main argument for me? You're saying that's why it should be illegal? Or that's why you said it should be legal? I think it should be legal for harm reduction. Yeah, I think the question is. And also because I was going to say. I like personal liberties. Yeah, I was going to say. I think the question is for you though, Alex. I think you were right there, Diddley. So why should prostitution be illegal? And then we'll move on. Yeah, because I think it opens up an avenue of a lot of bad stuff. Like I said, with sex trafficking, like perfect example. There's so many child victims of sex trafficking because they're so vulnerable. So because it's legal, you might say it's too consenting adults, but it's not always too consenting adults. There's usually a PIM. There's usually somebody that's forcing the girl to do it. You don't believe there's pimps, Diddley? No, I'm just laughing because we know. Like we have evidence that legalizing prostitution makes it safer and reduces those things that you're talking about. I think too many girls have gotten beaten up by their pimps. Do you have a pimp, Diddley? It doesn't matter what you think. We know. Do you have a pimp, Diddley? No. All right, let's move on. Blaze TV, Blaze TV. I'm not a prostitute. I'm not a prostitute. You're whoring out for Blaze TV. By having a show on a network is the same as a prostitute. That shows you how smart you are. It's funny. That's very rich coming from an actual whore. Well, let's move into this one. Gordzilla says, please watch this debate again in 20 years. Diddley, hindsight and all that. So we'll have a moment for closing statements before we wrap up. Don't you worry, Gordzilla. And I'm sure that we'll get some thoughts out there. Excuse me. BMT, business-minded talk. So he gets on and takes money and gives them ear porn to take his talking point. But he's a content creator just like her. No different my guy. So they're saying that what you do is the same. No, it's not. It's not the same at all. I think we're a lot more similar than you would like to admit. We both have a YouTube. Yes, but I don't have an only fans where I'm doing sexual stuff. I wouldn't even say you're more shameless than I am. I probably am more shameless, but I'm not a prostitute. It's just different. You're a prostitute, like a whore. I mean, that's the lowest common denominator. I know you don't get it now. You feel so empowered, but you're young. Would you admit that you're young? How old do you think I am? Well, it doesn't matter. I'm just saying people change. And I'm telling you, the person that you are today is going to be a lot different in 10 years. And one day you're probably going to say, Alex, you were right about a lot of stuff you said. Well, just like I keep saying, only time will tell. I'm a very progressive person. I have a very, very progressive views on nudity. I'm basically a nudist at home. I just walk around naked all the time. I don't give a fuck. Very progressive about sex work. I really don't see this ever becoming a regret of mine as much as you guys like to think so. You have like this revenge fantasy where all these are in the hands of a breakdown crying. They die alone with all their 10 cats. You need to go watch the documentary Hot Girls Wanted. I have seen it. Yeah, and every girl in there regretted doing porn. Yeah, I would agree that there are a lot of really bad things about the mainstream porn industry. Be a Khalifa. Early fans alleviates those things. It doesn't alleviate it. Wearing control about our own content. It encourages it. It doesn't alleviate it. I'm telling you, it encourages more girls because it's an easier avenue for more girls to get into sex work. The main issue with Hot Girls Wanted was that people were like being pressured to produce content that they don't want to do. That doesn't exist on early fans. Yes, it does. There's only fans pimps. There is. There's girls that feel pressure. Do you think that is the average? Yes. I do think that's the average. You think everyone on Early Fans is being pimped out? I would say yes. I would say the majority of them are being pimped out. I'm being dead serious when I say that. Well, that's delusional. That's just not real. You're the delusional one. I'm not delusional. There's a lots of only fans pimps. You've heard of only fans pimps, right, Diddley? You said that earlier. I have. That's a minuscule amount. You have no evidence of that. Of the people that are on Early Fans. You have no evidence of that. Where is your evidence that everyone on Early Fans is being pimped out? I just think they are because you're, I mean, if you're not being pimped out by a pimp. You just think they are. Okay. Yeah. I have no evidence. But you just think. No, there is evidence. We know of stories of guys pimping multiple women. You know that, right? There is evidence of. Yes, we've established that. So, I think that that's bad that girls are being forced to do only fans. So that's not good. And only fans only encourage that. And the vast majority of creators on Early Fans are producing that or in content. They are making all the money, not the pimp, apart from the. Only fans, does it? Does only fans not get a cut? Yes, they get a 20. Oh, so that's your pimp. Oh, so that's your pimp. Oh, I forgot. Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's the argument you're going to go with. Okay. So you're so empowered. You're so empowered. They get a little bit of your money for showing your butthole. You know what, YouTube takes away from you. YouTube and only fans are not the same. We're not arguing if YouTube is good for society. You're the one that's getting pimped out by a website that's taking part of your money. All this money that you get, if they get it for free. Service goodies are not being pimped out. You're being pimped out. You're paying a fee to be on there. I'm sorry to tell you that's called paying your pimp. You're being pimped out by only fans, Han. Okay. That's not what pimping means. All right. Wow. You're in loser denial. That's fine. All right. Let's move on to the next one there, guys. So BMT coming in says business, sorry, business minded talk is the name of them. Donald Trump's wife showed her body and still became the first lady. Car salesmen use beautiful women to sell cars. Thoughts on that? Melania is not naked. I believe she covered up her boobs. I'm pretty sure she was. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing her tits. Well, even so, I mean, I was, no, but I would argue this. Like there is a way where you could be naked and it could be an artistic way. I think that there's a difference between art and then charging $15 to share your butthole. So what you're saying is that you can be naked online and still get a really good job. Melania doesn't have a job. All right. She Melania Trump has a job. She's married to the president. She was a model before that. So I don't think that's her job. All right. I mean, being married, is that a job? But see, that said, like, you know, why don't you get married? Being the first lady isn't a job. Like being that high up in like politics. I don't know. I don't think they get paid to be the first lady. I don't believe so. I don't think it's a job. They make no money. That's your opinion. What's not a job that they got hired for. They married the president. So I think it's a little different. But you don't think they're making any money as the first lady? I don't know what Melania does for a living. I don't know how she earns income. I mean, I assume she would be on, like, TV appearances, interviews. Do you see her on those? I don't see her on those. Advertisements. I don't see her on any of that. She would be getting paid. I don't see her do that right now. So I don't think that's her job now. All right. Let's move on. But she can still get a job even though she was naked online. Yeah, one time she was naked. Not for $15 or everybody can go see it. I'm glad you can at least admit that. Well, I tried to say this earlier in the debate. There was a girls that would get paid millions of dollars to show their boobs in one magazine Playboy. Not for $15 and then get pimped out by a website that charges you a service fee. Like, you're less than that. I said this in the beginning. I don't know why you keep bringing up the subscription price. Because that shows you how little you're worth. That shows you that you're worth nothing. You're worth the same. Okay, but if I'm making as much as the Playboy people, you're not making as much as they're. You're not. You're not making. How much do you think I'm making? Listen, you have to constantly show your butt hole. Do you think I'm making $15? Yeah, that's what you make per person. Yeah. You think I have one subscriber? Okay, I'm saying I can go there for $15. That's what you cost me. You cost me $15 on. So that's the only price I'm talking about. I can go for $15 and see whatever the hell I want to see. So that's what you're worth to me. You might say you're worth more because you get to have more in the bank account. But I'm saying to society, for you to be fully exposed, you're worth $15, babe. 15 times what? $50,000 maybe? Per person. I'm saying that's me. You're cost $15 to see you. Okay, I just don't know why I bring up the... Because you're embarrassed that it's that sad. I know, but you're embarrassed because for $15, you can be totally exposed on the internet because you're a prostitute. So yeah, it's embarrassing. Let's move on to the next question. And there's first one for the price of a magazine. What is your point? All right. Let's try to move on. Show you how low self-worth you have for $15. It's just sad. How much does the price of a Playboy magazine cost? 15 maybe? I have no idea. I don't know. I don't buy it. Yeah, maybe even less than 15, hey. All right. That's one picture or two or three pictures. Yes, and it's one subscriber. There's hundreds of videos of you. $15 is one subscriber. I obviously... I know, but I'm saying I'll have to pay as 15 bucks and I can get to see you. And all you have to pay is $10 for a magazine to see someone totally exposed on Playboy. And that's not good either. I think we're going in circles with this one now. So let's carry on. No, I'm just saying it just shows you that you're worth nothing. You're worth 15 bucks. All right. I know you're determined to get the last word in there, but we do have to move on. So does Diddley ever get creeped out thinking about some of... Let's make it less personal. Let's just say, do you think it's creepy that older men would be watching young women's content on OnlyFans? Like my content specifically? I love it. That's why I do it on OnlyFans. Okay. All right. So go them out for $5. Alex, where do you get your morality and why should others care about it? People don't have to care about my morality. I don't think that... I mean, people can care about whatever they want. Well, it sounds like you think I should, considering you're calling for the banning of porn, including... This debate is if it's bad for society. I'm just trying to be honest with you. I mean, you can do whatever you want. I don't control you. You get to do whatever you want. I'm just telling you that it's not good for society where you're doing, and it's going to have repercussions later. You can believe me or not. I know you keep saying that, but you've brought up how you hope that it gets banned. So you obviously don't think I should be able to do whatever I want. I don't think you should be showing your butthole on the internet now, or be a prostitute. I don't think you... I think you're better than that, but maybe not, I guess. You don't think you're better than that. Like saying you don't think I should do it is different to... I think you shouldn't be allowed to do it. I think it's bad for society. You stated multiple times throughout this debate that you think I shouldn't be allowed to do it. Well, I mean, I just... I think the debate is whether it's good for society. I mean, I don't control you. I'm not your boss, so you're allowed to do whatever you want. But you wish you could control me, which is why you wish... No. I just wish that society wasn't so pathetic. Then why did you bring up multiple times that you think it should be banned? I do think it should be banned. I do think it should be banned. So you do want to control me, and you do think I shouldn't be allowed to do it? I guess in that sense, yeah, I don't think you should be a prostitute. Okay. We got there in the end. Yeah, I don't think you should be a prostitute. We got there. I think you're better than... I think you're better than being a whore on the street, on the digital street, yeah. Yeah, you're better than being a whore. Okay. And you're getting banged by multiple guys or your boyfriend sits there and watches. It took a while. I know I'm just saying being a pathetic dirty whore is not going to be good for you in the long run, trust me. All right, I'm turning up my preamp here. I'm overrun. All right, so sorry, Johnny Payton, if I skipped your chat. I'll just summarize it here, because it's a little bit on the no side. Sorry, buddy, but he's a fan of yours, Diddly, and I'm not going to read that. So if you want to look into the chat and check out what he had to say, that's on you. AI, that one was from the earlier one there. The one after that was Sagoma. Next one coming in from D. Baggins. Love you, Alex. Love the costume. Keep up the great work out there. Thank you. So in Jesus' name, hey, coming in from Canada, you can't debate morality with degenerates. It's like debating a color with a blind person. Well, it's a good thing we're both degenerates, huh? Okay, maybe a little. I'm not as degenerate as you, but I am a degenerate. I'll take it. So we can argue about it then. We're on an even playing field, huh? No, I'm not a prostitute. Babe, we're different. Okay, but you're still degenerate. But I'm not a whore for money on the street. All right, let's carry on. You're just a whore for Blaze TV. So Sagoma did ask, Alex, where do you— My dad gets to come visit me at my job. That's the difference. Is my dad gets to come— My dad can visit me in my office. Oh, he can't look at your only fans. And where you make all your money, where you make all that money, your dad doesn't get to go to your work. Why? Because that would be incest because you're a whore. I know. Let's see. But me, my dad gets to come to my work all the time. He's proud. Oh, dad, come. Your dad could never. Where you make all your money, your dad could never, ever see it because you're a disgusting whore, and that would be considered incest. So think about that. Pride has nothing to do with wanting to watch me work. Your dad can't even see what you do for a living, where you make all your income. That's sad because your dad is probably ashamed to see his daughter be a prostitute. My parents watch my YouTube channel. All right. Let's get right into the next one. Where do you make most of your money, though, on your only fans? Why does that matter, though? I'm saying, can your dad— You can still watch my work. Does your dad can watch your only fans? Also, why do you only bring up my dad? What about my mom? Why is it all so sad? Because your dad's probably more embarrassed. Your dad's probably more embarrassed. But you're probably not very close to your dad. I hate blue. Your parents— Your parents feel icky. You should feel icky. You should feel very icky. No, it makes me feel icky when people only bring up my father in relation to conversation with only fans. No father wants her daughter to be a prostitute. What about mothers? Why is that never part of the conversation? Okay. Your mom didn't want you to be a prostitute either. Does that make you feel better? But why do you default to father? There is something going on that makes people default to father. Because I think a father would be more ashamed than a mother. I think a mother would be more empathetic to their daughter than a father. No father wants her daughter to be a prostitute. All right. Let's carry on, guys. It's very, very lively. Lots to say on that. Sagoma had asked, Alex, where do you get your— You know, I did that Peterson impression earlier. I'll pull it out. Sagoma asks, Alex, where do you get your morality? Why should others care about it? Everybody keeps asking me why they should care about my morals. You don't have to care about anything. I don't care if you guys care about me. If you're circling back to this point, Alex, you've said that you wished that I shouldn't be allowed to do what I do. You wish that what I do is banned illegal, right? Yes. So when you say, like, people don't need to care about my morality, that's not true. I mean, I don't know. I don't— I don't agree with that. I'm just saying, because I have an opinion, not everybody has— Don't agree with what? Not everybody has to agree with me. I'm saying I think it's immoral what you're doing. But you're saying we should agree with you because you— I think that— I think what I do— Want to make my job illegal. I think what you do is much more immoral than what I do. I think there's levels of morality. So you agree what you do is immoral? No, I don't do anything immoral compared to you. We're comparing apples and oranges again. Society might say— Society might say I'm immoral because I call out people, because I don't go with the mainstream media, because I call stuff out. So the mainstream media would say, oh, Alex is immoral. He called AOC a big booty Latina. But, you know, I think that's a lot different than being a prostitute for $15 a month. So you're much more— You think it's worse to do consensual only fans? Yes, you're much more— And sexually harass people? Yeah, it is much more immoral than what you're doing. But I'm saying sometimes I do stuff— But you're fine with sexually harassing people. You think that's better than— Well, I don't think that's sexual harassment. In Texas, that's a compliment to say you're a big booty Latina. Wait, you don't think— What is it? Calling— That's a compliment to say you're a big booty Latina. That's a compliment. Saying that to just like a woman walking past that you don't know. To a politician that I do know. That's like the definition of sexual harassment. Okay, so I do want to let everybody know. I do want to let everybody know. You guys are— Well, you sexually harass people all the time. I mean, that's all you do is harass people. Yeah, you spread your legs on the internet. So you're the sexual harassment. True people who consensual— All right, we're moving on, guys. You're a prostitute and a whore. That's not harassment. All right, all right, all right. Let's move on, guys. I don't want to hit you guys on the mute. We've been so good up until this point. So let's try to carry on. And I do see there's still 380 people watching. Somehow, they had the thumbs to make 344 votes in our poll. But we only have 127 likes. So if you can use all that thumb energy to put a thought into the poll, why don't you hit the like button and try to beat the YouTube algorithm for us. So the poll stands is only fans good for society. And our poll says it's so bad, 50%. 50% say it's so bad. 35% said, sure, why not? And then the last 13% said, only soy. Last, yeah, last call-out for putting that old like in there. And let's get back to our super chats as I move my way back through them. Now who's using their fancy fingers? All right, so let's see. Mathis Lizotte. Would Alex buy Daunterius only fans? Yes, I would buy it as yes. Okay, Guillotine for $10. Primetime, Alex Stein got cocked hard by an only fan model that he thinks bestiality is more morally acceptable than being an only fans model. Thoughts on that? That's not what I said at all. I'm saying only fans encourages more people to be and commit bestiality from examples of guys sending private messages. There's guys that have sent that message. That's a real thing. So girls are being paid to commit bestiality. Do you think that there's people would be into bestiality even if only fans didn't exist? Only fans is the avenue where they can do it easily. So that's why only fans is bad for society. Okay, but it would exist without only fans. It exists more because of only fans. It's more accessible because of only fans. I would need a sauce on that and I know you don't have that. But we don't need sources. We're basing reality, sweetheart. Well, we absolutely do. No, we don't. We can be real with it. You know there's pervs on there sending weird messages, sending girls money to do stuff that they haven't even thought of. So that was my point with the bestiality statement is that these girls wouldn't even think. That's totally not allowed on only fans. What I'm saying is there's these perverted guys that would send girls messages that would encourage them to do stuff that you couldn't even think about. You couldn't even think about. But because you're on only fans, because you have an open avenue, an open address where anybody can send you their fantasies and now they put a dollar sign on it. People are vulnerable. People come from broken backgrounds. People don't have parents. There's orphans. People are victims. They're disabled. They can't make money. But now they turn to only fans and now they're getting pimped out by the only fans company because they're getting a cut of it and by all the weird perverts that are sending them messages. I don't think that the audience that you're cultivating on your only fans are good people. I hate to break it to you. I think they're all perverts that are probably cranking it to you constantly. And they all are sexual degenerates. And that's not good. Okay. Let's try to move on from there. That one was for you, Alex. So next one is from Yeshua the King says, Did Lee, your premise is people should do what makes them happy. So if it was legal for minors and they wanted to do only fans, why and how could you object to that? So we put a lot of restrictions on people who are underage for very good reasons. They can't variety though. There's a lot of things minors can't do even though they would love to do it. And again, that is for harm reduction. Yeah. But it's just like how there's underage people that look up porn. There's people that can go on there and circumvent the rules and go on their underage. And that has happened. I understand only fans makes that so much harder to do compared to the mainstream porn industry. Okay. But it's still possible. I don't know what to tell you. It's still possible. I think one case where someone like fake I know. So you're on a site. You're on a site with child porn. Good for you, sweetheart. Good for you. Great. You are right now. Do you not think it exists on YouTube? Good job, sweetheart. You keep on comparing YouTube and only fans. It shows you how smart you are. Yes, because your argument is that what I'm doing is wrong because I'm on a site that has had child sex trafficking. Yeah, that's terrible. That's terrible. Because only fans is a site for pornography. Do you not think that has happened on YouTube? YouTube pornography is not allowed. That's not an argument. I'm saying I'm sure there's been child trafficking on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook. I'm sure it's happened everywhere. But I'm saying it happens more on the site that you have, the prostitution site called OnlyFans. No, it happens far less because you need, I don't know if you know the like application process to become a creator to be able to upload things on only fans, but you need to send in your ID with a photo of yourself and they like scan that shit to ensure that it's like a real ID and it matches your face. They don't need any of that. You've never heard of a fake ID, I guess. You've never heard of a fake ID. But you understand that that's even more likely. They can get a real ID. I'm saying they can get a real ID and put their picture over it. There's all kinds of scams, a real criminal configurability thing. Yeah, but you understand that's way harder than just uploading a video on YouTube, right? YouTube terms of service would immediately take it down if there's any nudity on. If there's nudity on this stream, it would immediately take it. Yes, there's no nudity allowed on YouTube. You think no nudity exists on YouTube? Well, I think there's some naked yoga. I think there's some weird naked yoga that exists on YouTube. Okay, so clearly nudity does get passed whatever system you're talking about, yeah? Not porn. Not what you're talking about. Not child porn. Okay, but it's easier. So you think child porn... So you're telling me right now you think you can find child porn on YouTube right now? No, I'm saying I can find porn. Yeah, I'm talking about child porn, but child porn does exist on your side. I'm saying guarantee more child porn has been uploaded to YouTube, Twitter, Instagram. False. Then there has been on only fans. False. Why? You need an ID. You need to take a photo of your face on only fans on all those other websites. You just need to make an account and upload it. I'm just saying you're on a website that there's child sex trafficking and child porn on... Oh, you're on the internet, baby. Okay, but you're the whore in the prostitute, so we're different, sweetheart. Okay, well, that's not an argument. But you're a prostitute, I know you can't argue that. No, it's not an argument that I'm on a website that has had child porn on it, because you are as well. No, you're the prostitute. Yes, we're on the internet. No, you're the prostitute, so... That's an argument. It is an argument. I'm saying you're on a website called onlyfans.com that your dad can't even look at that website, because that would be considered incest, because that would be a crime. Here in America, incest is illegal. So your own dad would be committing a crime if he even looked at your only family. How does that relate to it being good for society? Because it's a website where your dad could go to jail if he looked at it. That's bad for society. I don't want your dad in jail. I don't want incest to exist. So the fact that your dad can't even look at what you do for a living, that's a crime? That's not good for society, sweetie. I don't think that's an argument as to if it's bad for society. Well, you're in loser denial, so that's just how it goes. All right, let's move on. Mendy Bruce sends in his first Super Chat for this spicy debate. So thanks for your first Super Chat. Criminalizing prostitution will only empower gangs and make it a much less safer world, a safer occupation for women. Agree or disagree for both? I mean, I disagree. I mean, I don't think prostitution is good, period. So that's, I mean, that's my argument. As I turn my preamp back up, any thoughts on the other side or just want to carry on? Yeah, we'll just go to the next one. All right, sweet. Alex, if the downside to OnlyFans is a conservative society's reaction, for example, not hiring you, is that not more an issue of acceptance of practiced freedoms? I don't even understand that question at all if you say that again. So I think they're saying like, if you lose out on opportunities, if the downside to OnlyFans is a conservative society's reaction, for example, not hiring you, is that not more an issue of acceptance of practiced freedoms? I mean, I still don't even understand the question. All right, we went through this a little bit during the debate. I had no idea. It's like bringing up that social stigma existing is not... It doesn't mean that the thing itself is bad for society. The thing that is being stigmatized. Well, the reason why it has a stigma around it is because it's bad. Like being a prostitute is not good for society. That's not true. Do you think being gay is bad because there's a stigma around it? No, you can be gay. You're allowed to be gay. Okay, so we've established that a stigma doesn't mean the thing itself is bad. Well, I don't think there's a social stigma being... I'm not here in America. As a matter of fact, if you're gay, it's good for society. They pump you... Are you kidding? They love gay people here in America. DEI, as a matter of fact, some companies, they have to hire a certain amount of gay people. So they actually get to cut the line because they're homosexual. So you actually have more... You have more opportunity... So you think hyperphobia just doesn't exist? I think all kind of phobias exist. But I'm saying here in America, by being a homosexual, you actually have more doors open for you. As a matter of fact, some companies have DEI scores. They have to hire a trans person. So me, I would get actually overlooked being a white cisgender male because I don't help their DEI scores. So I would say that a gay person has more rights in America than a straight person. Okay. So you admit homophobia exists and you admit that a stigma towards gay people doesn't mean being gay is bad. That's that conversation done. We'll move on to the next one. But being a prostitute is one of the lowest forms of social stigma. Your dad can't look at it because that's a crime because you're naked on there. Do you not get that? That's a social stigma. If your dad looked at your job, he would go to jail in America? I... You keep saying that. That's a stigma. That's a stigma. That's making me... Because... You could insist. But... No, I'm trying to expose it. I'm saying you can't even bring your dad to work. You can't even have a bring your dad to work day because that would be considered an incest. I have a creator, right? A social stigma doesn't mean the thing that is being stigmatized is bad. That's not an argument. Well, okay. I'm just saying being a prostitute is a terrible social stigma is my point. All right. Yes, it is very stigmatized. You're right. Let's carry on to the next question there, guys. Sorry, I ducked for a second. Unlike some of the professional YouTubers, I don't have a bucket under my chair. So I had to make a quick little break there. So let's go to the next question. Bastard Fish says, if you call yourself a sex worker and don't actually have sex for money, you're guilty of stolen valor. Doing lewds is lazy. Get to the streets. My goodness. That's a thought. Do you have thoughts on what you say? No, people say this a lot. Like... How people on Onlyfans shouldn't call themselves sex workers. But sex work is just an umbrella term. It can mean anything from literal escorting or prostitution to taking pictures of your feet. As long as you're doing something for monetary gain, for sexual gratification, that is sex work. You don't physically have to be having sex with anyone. Stripping on a pole is sex work. You don't have to have sex with anyone. Doing what you do on camera is sex work. I agree. I think sex work is bad. Yeah, we know. All right. Let's move on to the next one here. Let's see. BMT Business Minded Talk says again, how does the blaze fight for freedom of speech but has a problem with someone's freedom of choice? Doesn't Glenn Beck control your control? Glenn Beck doesn't control anything I do. I'm allowed to do whatever I want on the blaze, but comparing a prostitute and my show on the blaze are totally different. We're not allowed to show nudity at the blaze. We're an actual network. So you're all being controlled? I would never show nudity. I mean, because that's illegal. That's a crime. We're on TV. You can't show nudity on TV. Yeah, how can you say you're also like freedom of speech and expression but you want to ban pornography? Because that's a crime. You can't go on TV and be naked. I'm not allowed to be naked on TV. I'm not talking about pornography in general. In general, how can you claim to be like a freedom of speech warrior for freedom of expression but you want to ban porn? Because porn is immoral and it's disgusting and it's... Okay, so you're not for freedom of speech and expression? Not when it comes to porn. Okay, so you should stop calling yourself as free speech warrior. Get that out of the buyer. Is that in my buyer? I know. It's probably in some of your buyers maybe on YouTube and videos and stuff. I don't think so. You started the debate by saying you all for freedom of speech. That was like your tagline. Freedom of speech. I think we should be able to say anything but spreading your butthole and jamming stuff up I don't think it's freedom of speech, honey. I mean, that would follow under freedom of expression. Like being able to do what you want with your body as long as you're not harming anyone. Well, I think it does harm people. I think it harms yourself. How am I being harmed? Because in the long term, it's going to be very bad for your emotional well-being. That's just like you speculating and having... I'm speculating because I have other evidence of girls that were doing sex work and they vehemently regret it. And there's a lot of girls that regret it. Okay, what happens when 20 years down the line I'm super happy and really glad that I did OnlyFans and I'm set up for life? What happens? I'll join for 15 bucks. I'll check in with you and see how your tits are hanging. That's very immoral of you. I know. We'll see how they're hanging in 20 years. All right. You said you were married, right? Yeah. My wife's not only a fan. Are you non-monogamous? No, my wife's not only a fan. So you're non-monogamous? Your wife is cool with you jacking it to other women? No, I don't jack it. I'm my penis source. Well, you said you were going to subscribe to my OnlyFans. Not to jack it. My genitals were burned in a fire when I was 11 years old so I can't actually ejaculate. I'm just saying like it's pretty cuck behavior for you to go on OnlyFans when you're married. Buy your standards, of course. You're the one that's a cuck. Like you're the one that... I'm saying buy your standards. I'm not a cuck. I mean, I'm not on your OnlyFans. I'm saying in 20 years I might see... Do you think married men should be subscribing to women's OnlyFans? No, I think that messes up a lot of marriages in relationships. So why'd you say you're going to subscribe to mine? Didn't you say you're married? As a joke, I'm being sarcastic. I'm never going to subscribe to your OnlyFans. You're a whore. You cost 15 bucks. And a lot of girls with OnlyFans, you only have to subscribe to see them naked. I could probably find you naked on the internet without subscribing. Can I? I already said at the beginning, I don't do nudity. I don't know why you keep going on about that. Yeah, I mean, but if you're doing basically nudity, I mean, come on, dude. Come on, come on. You're doing sex work. You're talking sexually. Let's just let's just call a spade a spade. Let's try to move on to our next super chat here. So Charles Lainer says a strange question about we won't a boot. There's the Canadian coming out. Sorry, Charles, we're going to move on to something a little more substantive that we can like a compliment. Matthew Adams says Alex Stein is awesome. Much love from the chats. Thank you. Chat rats. I love you guys. I love the chat rats. You guys rule. I almost missed that at the end. But yeah, OK, I got that there. Smart Alec Atheist says, why did my first super chat devolve from being about consenting adults to what we do in front of children? So let me just scroll up here and we'll remind ourselves. Why should prostitution be illegal? It's between consenting adults. So he wants more on that. And he doesn't want you guys to talk about what we do in front of children. So he's trying to get something done. I love that too. Well, not every prostitution relationship is consensual. I think there's the idea of pimps, anybody that's heard of pimps. So there are women that don't choose it. They get addicted to drugs. They are vulnerable. And so they get pimped out. OK, what about the situations like mine where it's completely consensual? It's still bad. Why do you have an issue with that? It's just not good for society. So you think consenting adults shouldn't be able to do what they want with their bodies? Well, it's a crime here in America. So I just say. It's a crime to do only fans in America. To do prostitution is a crime to pay somebody for sex. We're talking about only fans. OK, if we're just talking about only fans, no, that's legal, but prostitution. And it's funny that it's legal because you have a camera. But if you didn't have a camera, if I just paid you to get naked in front of me while I did something sexual, that is a crime. That's called prostitution. Let's get back to the question. Why do you have an issue with what I, a consenting adult, choose to do with my body? Because it's just sad and pathetic that you're a whore. That's why you should be more than a whore than a prostitute. You should be more than Michael Jackson dressed in front of a green screen. OK, well, you're the whore for 15 bucks a month. See how like that meant nothing to you, what I just said? No, because I don't even listen. What you're saying means nothing. Well, that's the thing is, when I argue with a whore or a prostitute, it doesn't affect me. I look at you just like I see those same street walkers. You're literally trash. You're like the lowest common denominator. You're a pathetic loser that sells your body on the Internet. You're aware that's not an argument, right? I could care less with your opinion is because you're literally a prostitute and I don't give a shit what prostitutes say. You're aware that's not an argument, right? Like it doesn't help your argument at all. I could care less. I'm just telling you, I could care less about your opinion because you're an actual whore. All right. Let's try to carry on there. Once again, everybody, I know you might be saying in the live chat, we're hearing a lot of colorful language, but once again, we've consented to having a spicy interaction from the onset. So this is just an honest representation of this interaction. The bread boy asks, Alex, if a playboy costs $15 and an only fan sub costs $15, why bring up the argument? Playboy model paid upfront, only fans model paid over time. What's the difference? This is the difference. This is the point I was trying to make. It's one girl, it was Pamela Anderson, even though she did multiple, but I'm just trying to think like the wrestler sable. She did one shoot and she made millions of dollars, right? You're doing shoots every day. Yeah, you might be making millions of dollars, but you're constantly whoring yourself out. You're a constant prostitute. Instead of just one photo shoot, making a million dollars, you have to do a photo shoot almost every single day and you're still not making as much money. So that's the difference. So what is the point of that argument? If I was making a million dollars from one video, would that be more acceptable in your eyes? Yeah, I mean, I think it'd be more acceptable. It'll still be a moro, still a prostitute, still a whore, but it would be more acceptable. It would be less immoral? Yeah, because you'd have less pictures of yourself naked on the internet, less porn out there. Yeah, so it would be less bad. Okay, that makes no sense. Yes, it does. If you think like the porn itself is what it's all. If you're a chitchat on the internet. Yeah, I'm saying if there's two pictures that existed of you naked, like you're going to say there's one picture of Melania Trump, that's less bad than the 15,000 images or the 15,000 hours of content that you have masturbating yourself or doing whatever the hell you're doing. All right, let's try to, yeah, we're going to... I think we've made our point on that one. So we're going to try to bring up new points going forward just because I think we know how you guys feel about that. But we are getting close to the end of our super chat here, chats I should say. So let's eat a person says, does Alex understand what an ad hominem fallacy is? That was a joke, by the way. Everybody helps us. Don't come at me. An ad hominem is like not attacking, it's attacking the person and not the argument, I believe. Correct. It's your favorite thing to do, I think. Yeah, because I'm arguing with a whore at a prostitute. I got to keep bringing it up. What are you talking about? But it doesn't help your argument at all. I listen. I can just give you a hand to actually debate like the morals behind this. No, I kind of like exposing a whore for being a whore when you should be more than that. I think it's kind of entertaining. What are you exposing a whore for being a whore? Let me just call you a prostitute and saying that you're a cuckold and that your husband's a cuckold and that your parents aren't proud of you. I think it's kind of fun and entertaining for me. I think it's good. So I like it. I like exposing dumb prostitutes. Yeah, you don't actually care about the argument. No, I do care about the argument. I just also enjoy calling out a whore and a prostitute. So that's what I like. All right, let's move on. You're just really bad at making your points then. Well, I don't have to be good. I'm arguing a prostitute. I'm arguing with a prostitute. So I think all my points are more valid than any of yours. Let's move on to the next one. AI says, do many only fan workers give up future prospects, jobs, healthy relationships, et cetera, out of necessity because they need money now or is society over it? So that one I think is for you, Diddly. I definitely think the stigma is lessening over time. I think people really overstate just how much it affects your future jobs. But in saying that, at the same time, I wouldn't recommend anyone who hasn't given it a lot of thought and weighed up the risks to jump into it. What are the risks? What are the risks? That is a risk. The job prospects to do a social stigma. Same, name some other risks. What are some other risks, Diddly? What are some other risks of doing only fan? Um, regretting it potentially. You think that that happens a lot. So do you think it's good for the girls that didn't regret it? I think it happens a lot, probably not. You don't think a lot of girls regret it? You think the majority of people that do it, they're proud of it? No, I think as well the smaller your account is. So for people who haven't given it much thought and go in, don't get many subscribers at all and then quit, the risks are not as dire as someone as big as me, for example. Like I'll always be on the internet. I've accepted that. That's a risk I was willing to delve into because the pros outweighed the cons. But for someone who's smaller, those same risks aren't going to be as great. All right, let's move on. Luckass says quality. I'm not going to read the first part, but I'll read the second part. He says, when Alex can't lose when you're arguing about something immoral. So any thoughts there before we move on? I mean, Diddley knows what she does is immoral. Diddley knows what she's doing is not good. I don't think it's immoral at all. Well, you said it's risky for people to do it. Just a broad topic if we can. Does risky mean immoral? In a way, yeah. In a way, yeah. No, it doesn't. I think that if you're taking a risk by doing something immoral and jeopardizing future job prospects or embarrassing your family. If it's risky to swim in a swimming pool or in the beach, does that mean swimming is immoral? No. But what you're doing is immoral. Well, I don't think it is. You've claimed that I think it's immoral. I don't. I think society would say that being a prostitute is immoral. I think that's the consensus of society. You made the claim that I think what I'm doing is immoral. I think you do know it's immoral. I do because your dad's not allowed to see it. Like if your dad could watch it, then it wouldn't be immoral. But the fact that if your dad watched it, the fact that it's incest, it shows you that it's immoral. That's not a thing. Do you think someone doing a raunchy movie is immoral, like actors or actresses, and that they're not wanting to watch, not wanting their family members to see a scene where they- That's not a crime. That's not a crime. That's totally different. Maybe there's only fans. Yeah, but your dad looking at it incest is illegal in the United States. So that would be a crime. Okay, this brings me back to the point. If an actor in a raunchy movie who's naked in a scene doesn't want their family to watch it, does that mean it's immoral? Because they don't want their family to watch it? Yes. You think raunchy, like R-rated MA movies where- If they're naked in there, they're sharing their tits, and they don't want their dad to see it. There's a reason why. So you're against MA-rated movies? You think they should be banned? No, I don't think that. And I even said that in an artistic way, I could see a person should be allowed some nudity. But what you're doing is not art. Yeah, and if an actor who is artistically naked in a movie doesn't want their family to see the movie, because they're naked- Because it's immoral, because they're embarrassed. So now you think artistic nudity is immoral? For their family to see it? Yes, that is immoral. For their family to see it? Yes. Okay, but- Listen, we're not- We're not immoral meat. I know, but you're trying to argue morality. I'm saying this is bad for society. Being a prostitute is immoral. But this is a moral argument. That's my point. We can't talk about this without bringing in moral. The only point I want to make is being a whore in a prostitute and selling yourself for money is immoral. That's the only point I'm trying to make. So it is a moral argument? Okay, yeah. You're immoral whore, yeah. Last word. Do you did leave before we move to the next question? Well, I disagree. Okay. All right. Last one coming in. High Flyer had asked a question. I'm not sure who Glenn Beck is and some of these names that you guys are throwing out. So I'm going to abstain from them. I hope you guys respect that. So thank you, High Flyer, for your super chat there. Appreciate that. The red boy asks, Alex, if quantity of content is the issue, you're treating women like a commodity that is devalued based on supply versus demand. It says a lot about you. They're coming at you at the end there. Thoughts, Alex? That's what I'm saying. Well, I tried to use the supply and demand since your tits are just in full supply. I mean, it lowers its value, right? Because there's an overabundance of it. So, you know, all these girls, because there's so many only fans, it just makes sex less cool because everybody can just be a prostitute and a whore. Is that just a you problem, though? Like you think? I think that's a society problem. This is a society. So do you think sex is less cool? Like you don't find it as fun because porn exists? No, I'm saying that the fact that there's more only fans whores, it kind of makes sex less special, yeah. I mean, to you, maybe. Well, I think masturbation, I think a lot of stuff in society is not good, but I think it still exists, but I still think it's bad. I mean, society kind of dictates what is good and what is not. And we know that they... I think overwhelmingly society would say only fans is bad. And love pornography. So let the people have what they want, I say. I disagree. All right. Let us move into one minute closings. Thanks, everybody, for your super chats. I want to just remind you all once again we got our tickets for debate.com for linked in the description below, along with all of the amazing perks you can get through our crowd fund. Once again, I'll put that up on the screen. You can see you can get a signed picture of your favorite debater. So if you're an iron-raw fan, you can get something like this, or if you want the signed emblem on the right there, you can get something like that by donating to the crowd fund and helping us get this event off the ground. We've only got a few days left and we haven't quite broken even yet. It doesn't look like we will, but we're still going to proceed, of course, and it will be free to watch on YouTube, regardless of that. So over to you, Alex, one minute on the clock. Listen, Divya, I know I said a lot of stuff calling you a prostitute and a whore, and I do stand by all that, but I can agree to disagree. You're going to continue to do it. You're going to continue to tell yourself that you're happy doing this, but I'm just talking about overall for society. I think that you're worth more than 15 bucks. I think that you're actually pretty smart. I think that you are pretty. You probably could marry a guy, but for some reason, you have some sort of weird sexual kink where you like watching your partner bang other girls and you like banging other guys in front of him. So you're like a sexual degenerate and you're a prostitute. So it's hard to kind of argue with you, so I'm just going to have to agree to disagree. And only time will tell. I'll keep in checking tabs on you. I'm sure you'll do the same with me, but nothing's personal. I really do wish you the best, and I'm not just saying that. I hope you do have a successful career. I hope your YouTube channel is successful, but I do hope in the future, if you do ever regret it, you do ever regret it, I hope you reach out to me and you say, Alex, you know what, you were right. That's all I'd ask for. All righty, and one minute on the floor to you, Diddley, close us out. All right. Yeah, I think you took this as an opportunity to just personally attack me the whole time you didn't really care for the actual argument. So it's kind of what I expected coming into this, really, so it's not like it's disappointing or anything. Well, you're shameless though, right? So it doesn't matter. She gets one minute on the floor. It's not a bad thing. Yeah, I guess I just want to say that I think as a society, we've already decided that OnlyFans is good for society. Our society loves coming. They love masturbation. They love porn. It's here to stay, whether you watch it or not, whether you like it or not. So, hey, if we're going to have porn, why not make it as ethical and as safe as possible? I think OnlyFans is a great step in the right direction and it's only going to get better from here. Keep on coming, guys. Great from the prostitute's mouth. I love it. This is great. That's what a prostitute should say, right? All right. I said last word over to Diddley, but you know Alex Stein. I think he's back on the show and as you know, he likes getting that last word in there, guys. So we are going to close it out. Once again, like a broken record, I'm going to drop the needle. What are you? Debate con for everybody. We're going to be in Dallas, Texas. Let us know in the live chat where you're at right now. I'm hanging out in Nova Scotia. Where are you hanging out, Diddley? Where am I hanging out? Yeah, where's your stomping grounds? I'm in Nova Scotia. I'm in the outback. And yourself, Alex, where are you at right now? I'm in Dallas, Texas. Pimp on a blimp, guys. Make sure to watch my show Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Blaze TV, Primetime with Alex Stein. Go check it out. And yet you won't be at Debate Con. Shame on you. I'll be out of town. Oh, and I got my boxing match this weekend. I'm fighting Mike Harrington and Tampa. November 4th, guys. It's going to be insane. 60-ounce gloves, no headgear. It's going to be a fight night like you've never seen an actual bloodbath. So if you guys want to see that, go to Carnival of Combat.com. You can see me fight November 4th this Saturday. Get your tickets. All right. Well, I'll give you a chance, Diddley. Where can everybody find you? I'm Diddley ASMR on YouTube. Just hit 500K subs. Let's go. Let's get that up. Twitch is Diddley. My Twitter is DiddleyDonga. And our only fans is DiddleyDonga. All right. Let us close out, everybody. Thanks for coming out. And we'll see you next time for more juicy debates. Good night. Peace. Nice.