 by saying welcome to the Monday April the 5th 2021 meeting of the mud peel your design review committee I will let members and staff introduce themselves Martha Smirsky member Hannah Smith member Ben Cheney member Steve Everett member and Meredith Crandall staff Meredith would you review the remote meeting procedures and process yes gladly give me just a second to share my screen viewing this meeting via orca media you can participate in the meeting via the zoom platform you can either use this link to be able to access all of the zoom video features or you can call in at this phone number and plug in this meeting ID to access this particular meeting and then you'd be able to participate verbally by phone if you have any problems accessing the meeting please email me I've got that open right now and I'll be able to give you a little bit of guidance if anybody is in the meeting and is having problems please use the zoom chat function and please reserve that chat for technical 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taken during this meeting that are not unanimous will be done by roll call vote now hand this meeting back over to the chair thinking Steve might be trying to get the recommendation for my email to him yes I did I just ran to the printer and I'm all set so I'm all set it's back to you Steve okay do unless anyone else on the committee has anything else to add at this point do I hear a motion to approve the agenda um this is Martha I'll move to approve the agenda but Meredith I'm not sure if you realize that Seth is still being listed as a member I'm not sure if that means he's coming back but he's still listed as a member yep nope that's typo okay well with that change I'll move to accept the agenda a second this is Hannah all in favor speak your names Martha Hannah Steve you still there been okay I guess we have a okay yeah okay about that then we can move forward to the first application for for Main Street Bailey sign owner power low family partnership request to add to all signage is the applicant here I am here go ahead and describe your application okay I'm Douglas voice representing Bailey sign company for the Shaw's property for Main Street Shaw's has been a large and valued client of Bailey sign for many years were located in Westbrook, Maine but we do a lot of Shaw's signage throughout their operating territory and Shaw's has joining the ranks of retailers who want to provide more convenience for their customers by virtue of internet or online ordering and customer pickup at stores so they're doing this to announce this program to the customers and to roll it out basically there they're going to be adding signage to all of their locations where they're offering the service which I think are all of their stores so they're going to be putting a wall sign on building itself and then they'll be placing post-mounted signs in parking lot because the layout parking space is dedicated exclusively for this use I will mention that Shaw's is actually part of a much larger grocery organization of over 2,000 stores across the country under operating under many different banners and they have they have come up with the design for the signage colors the logo how that wants to read and I guess in the coming years if you travel across the country and encounter some of the sister banners of Shaw's under the same umbrella you might see the same signage at those locations so they've developed a signage program that they'd like to roll out every place they operate notwithstanding the fact that some ordinances don't allow the precise amount of signage that that others might so we've provided some drawings or exhibits that indicate the location size placement and design of the sign to be installed on the storefront of the building it's in a photographic representation and then there's also a an actual detailed design sheet or that storefront wall sign that will be non-eliminated the existing Shaw's signage is externally eliminated this is who signed to be nominated on the building and there are six parking spaces that they're going to dedicate to this drive up and go service and I provided you an aerial view of the property and indicated on an aerial view the location of those six parking stalls off to the right by the abutting the current or former railroad right of the right hand side of the store so there'd be a post-mounted sign at each of those six parking stalls and the details of that sign its construction are shown in a separate separate sheet and that's basically what the proposal consists of please let me know if anyone wants me to share my screen this is Meredith I had a quick question is the color of these sign on the logo with the car in the background is that the same color red as the shot unfortunately I can't confirm or deny that I'm not intimate with the color of the Shaw's at this point I know they have they have changed some of their stores in recent years if they're signed I guess the best best I can offer is if the current sign appears as red it's probably gonna be a real close real close match some of the older some of the older models Shaw's were a more orangy color but this is this is definitely more of a red tone from the new sign okay that was my only question that if it was matching as part of your as part of your Shaw's brand yeah I don't think the intention I should say it would be great if it does match but given that this program is being rolled up to other this manners that probably have a variety of other logos colors so forth as their standard I think it's really what they want to do is keep this keep this particular logo for drive-up-and-go as they're identifier for that service okay incidently they leave they leave signs role in this project is is the wall sign itself any of the other flight signage the post-mounted signs and so forth Shaw's will we'll have those done under the corporate contract with we do a lot of them a lot of locations for them okay does anyone on the committee have any questions or suggestions no no okay then we can go through the criteria for all projects exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations of existing buildings shall be or other properties in the district additions to existing building show respect and be compatible with the size scale materials detailing an overall character of the primary building additions shall not have to give her under my essential form a character of the original building that's acceptable existing building shall be recognized as a physical record of its time place in use changes that create a false sense of historical development adding conjectural features or architectural elements from other buildings shall not be undertaken new construction additions alterations shall be of their own time that's acceptable architectural features including but not limited to cornices windows shutters fan lights and tabulator trim other forms of molding a character on the existing building shall be considered in the alteration acceptable with the addition of the sign on the side and then there's some criteria specific to the sign the size location design color texture lighting and material of all exterior design all exterior signs within the design review overlay district shall be compatible with the building and structures at the site and surrounding properties acceptable where appropriate signing shall respect the original sign placement and sign bands on historic structures this location is acceptable next to the show sign sign design color and typography shall respect historic precedence were appropriate and shall be appropriate scale for existing and new buildings acceptable sign support structures shall be compatible with the building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves acceptable all in favor of the application as proposed speaker names. Martha. Yes. Hannah. Yes. Then yes. Steve. Yes. So the application is approved. You all very much. Meredith you want to explain the next step. Yes. So Doug because there weren't any recommendations or changes on this once we get the signed recommendation form back from Steve will be able to issue the permit and that'll get mailed out. Let me think. Hold on one second. I'm going to take a peek back to the application form right now. It's set to be mailed to that would be you Bailey sign. Very good. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you for doing good luck with your project. Thanks a lot. Bye bye. Goodbye. The next application is for three Main Street applicant Andrew Ward landscapes and we have two applications here and I believe the first one I think the first one is for installation of patio dining area. That's the one for a permanent installation. So I think that makes sense to do that one first. Okay. Is our applicant here to go over the application? I don't know if Andrew's there. This is Carol. I'm here. He was going to say hi Carol. Hi Steve. Anyway, I can I can help you. Okay. Go ahead. So we are wanting to install a stone patio that will be on the other where the grass was we had some tables last summer with umbrellas and we want to improve the ground for the servers and for the customers and the tables. So we went to landscapes and they came up with a design that we could do. We had to be tested to see what our impervious number was which I don't know that much about but I know that we got a hundred and that's the best so I know that's good and they can start the work pretty much as soon as you know this would be approved and it would be something we would use every summer. I want to have like that little section of four tables even after COVID. I just think it was nice and do you have other questions that I didn't hit Carol. This is Martha. Hi. Hi. You said that the impervious test was a hundred. Yes. That was my only concern was in terms of runoff. Yes. Rain runoff and where it was going to go and whether it was going to go directly into the river. Yes. So we did that right away they he the landscaper actually knew that he's like I've got to go and you know figure out what this number is because that will determine you know one factor if we can do this or not. So it did it did turn out well. Okay. Good. Okay. Yes. Thanks. Meredith is it possible for you to share your screen with this one so we can sort of see the site plan. Yes. All right. Let me zoom in. Can you see that. Just just fine. So they'll be they'll be cut out to where the pavers aren't at all for planting area for the trees. This area will be the pervious what I would call pervious pavers that allow water to infiltrate. There's also we have the page before that that shows the planting bed. Right. So he's going to leave. Do we have what is the material that is going to be the paver. That is right here. Let me zoom in. Permaloc. So that gives more of the detail of what goes into all the different parts how it goes how it's filled with underneath under the actual block. And the block is concrete type material. I would you know I had a sample in my hand so I would call it you know like those pavers that around a swimming pool or that's where I'm thinking about it. So it's sort of brickish but not not that not that deep. Do you know what I mean. Am I sending you the right direction. Not brickish in color but brickish in texture. Yes. And ours is actually going to be a little brickish in color. It's sort of brick and gray kind of muted together. So it's sort of it's not going to like be you know bright orange sticking out. It's sort of going to blend and you know really what I was looking for was a level ground. Wonderful. I think it'll be really nice. Oh thanks. I think it's going to look great too. It's interesting because they call it a permeable paver. Ah I didn't even I didn't even notice that. And that's you can see that up on the. Oh I see it yeah. Yep. It's the page above that. It shows that it's a permeable paver from technical. Yeah I see that now. And again they they layer it so that it will absorb it will absorb water and runoff. Yes that's right. And so you intend to do a fair amount of sub paver work. You're going to pull out a bunch of soil and then yeah put in some more drainage stuff that you can pack flat and level out nicely so that when you put the pavers on they all align beautifully. That is right. He's he needs to dig down. I think it was 10 to 12 inches. They'll dig down and and then they'll fill it. I'm not sure exactly what they put in there but it's you know it's it's whatever's the whatever one would be looking for and um and then everything can be totally level and then probably every year he might have to come and do a little maintenance because in the winter they might you know do a little bit of a um bump up a little bit but they said they can easily put them back into place. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah me too. And I noticed on one of the diagrams here that you intend to do planting beds on either end of this area too. Yeah so he said I'm sort of I'm funny about my plants like I really um I've had them for a long time and they like matter to me so he's going to try not to disrupt them too much um but whatever he disrupts he's going to come back and plant and then I think he'll plant uh in front of Shaw's like that line he'll he'll do. He can't do the other line because that's where the servers will come in uh from the building but he'll do the uh the street which will be nice you know just even for dust you know it'll be nice to have them there. Okay. Does anyone else on the committee have any other questions? Uh I want to look at that site plan one more time and just curious about um opportunities for people enjoying the river or viewing the river a little bit better. Mm hmm. There's kind of like uh I don't actually know in my mind what's there like that prevents people that allows you to get as close as you can to the river without falling off the bank. It is uh right now there are like one two three four five or six big uh granite blocks so those will remain and uh there'll be nothing else in the way so it'll be very much the same as what it is right now as far as viewing the river that really won't change. I'm sorry I just want to make sure is anybody seeing the the packet I tried to share a screen but I can't tell if it's working. I can see your screen. I can see it on my screen. Okay great it just doesn't have the usual little green thing around it so I was a little confused. No it's there. Okay. Thank you. The the plantings and blockers are at the height that it's easily that the river is easily viewable whether you're sitting or standing along the entire patio area. That's right Steve. It is. I meant to put in some pictures. I don't remember if I did or not of last year people sitting there but I think I for well yeah that that's it right there so it'll be the same as far as what the tables are it's just going to look a lot better than that. Dirt. Anybody else have any other questions from the committee? If not I can go through the criteria sheet number one exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations consistent and compatible with the characteristics of the existing building or other properties in the district. Conditions to existing building or respect and be compatible with the materials detailing and overall character of our under 90th century kingdom is a physical record of timing and place in use changes that create a false sense of historical development such as adding conjectural features or architectural elements from other buildings should not be undertaken. New construction additions and alterations should be of their own time and shall not create a false sense of his historicity acceptable proposed landscaping shall be compatible with the neighborhood and the site of which the project is located acceptable and then outdoors. Is there any outdoor lighting on the patio? The only lighting is this year I I ordered new umbrellas for the tables and the umbrellas have these little LED lights around the top of the inside of the umbrella so that at night you have a little more light. It was a little dark at night but that's all there is there's there's nothing else. Okay that's certainly acceptable within the it's under the umbrella. Yeah it's right in the umbrella. Yes others work really well and also then the design review like district and subject to the landscaping requirements shall be shall consider the following site furnishings including fencing seating other types of site furniture visible from the street or side yard shall be considered within the context of the existing buildings and size its site and its context. Landscaping should not be placed or designed in a matter that would explore or undermine key architectural pattern to be replicated when employed in either residential or commercial institutional settings. Mechanical equipment such as HVAC that does imply here green fencing such as hedges planted with native or hardy landscape species so can be employed as effective buffers and screens or utilities and other elements incompatible with an historic district that's not applying here so all of the features that apply are acceptable. All in favor of the application for the patio pavers speak your names Ben Hannah Steve and Martha were you there? I did Martha. Okay here I am. Yes I'm a yes. Okay I just wanted to make sure we got your vote one way or the other thank you. Well I was yeah I had a little technological problem here for a minute. Well that's okay. Okay that one's approved and we can go for the next application for sarduces for the tent. Thank you Steve. You want to describe the tent? Is this the same tent that you had last year? Yes it's the exact same tent. It will be in the exact same place so it fit well I keep using the same word exact but it fit exactly in the first seven spaces of of our parking lot and so it's going to be yeah exactly the same. Okay does anyone on the committee have any questions about the tent as was erected last year? Carol when when do you expect to put it up? Well the plan is that if we got approved for the patio which we just did so thank you so much they're going to go first because they're going to have to bring in a little bit of equipment and they would be in the they'll need that access of where the tent would be so they're going to go first. He said it would probably take two days to them this is a very simple job and then I'll have the tent. I talked to Mike Lupus at Vermont tent company and he's ready for me on April 15th but that all depends if the patio is done if not it'll be at the end of April first of May so in there. Okay if no one has any questions we'll run through the same criteria for the tent. Okay. Number one exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations are consistent and compatible with the characteristic of the existing building and they respect size scale materials detailing an overall character of the primary building. Additions shall not obscure or undermine the essential forming character of the original building. All of those are acceptable again the tent is the temporary structure for the season. Number two existing building should be recognized as a physical record of time place and use. The changes do not create any sense of this development in new construction additions and alterations shall be their own time and shall not create a false sense of disturbance to the acceptable proposed landscaping. I'm not sure you would call the tent landscaping but its effect on that area is certainly simple. Location and appearance of all utilities and chemical equipment fencing shall be cited to minimize adverse visual impact or adequately and appropriately screened from public view. Steve please you. Oh you just lost Steve. Maybe maybe not. Steve you're now muted. Okay so there's no fencing that comes with the tent. Mechanical equipment shall be screened from public view and again no nothing intensive of mechanical equipment within the tent and rain fencing such as hedges, pineapple, native, hardy, landscape again that's not applicable with the tent. So the attempt is acceptable. Can you hear me? I just stopped your video Steve because you're you're breaking up. Are you still there? I'm still here. I'm trying to hang on. Sorry give me a minute. Okay I turned your video off because the sound was breaking up. Hold on a minute. I'll be back. Okay. Can you hear me now? It was better a minute ago. Can you hear me? Okay we've gone through the criteria sheet do I everyone on the committee in favor of the application speaker name? This is Martha I'm a yes and it says yes and says yes and Steve says yes so it's approved. Yay thank you all. You're quite welcome sorry for the technical difficulties. It's fine I always have technical difficulties. Thank you for your patience. No problem thank you all very much and good luck and good luck with your project so we're looking forward to it. Oh thank you. Hey bye. Bye Carol. Bye bye nice to see you all. The next up for Carol Meredith can you hear me? I can you're sort of in and out I'm wondering if you want to sign off and just call in if you're not using the video anyway. I can call in. That might be the way to go because you keep breaking up. Okay sorry. Thank you Dan and Alicia for your patience. Yeah uh I hear you. It is very sad to know I'm not sure that's much better. Let me let me try a different line. Hang on sorry. Hello. So much better. Okay good. That's that's sad I had to go from a landline to my cell phone. Okay we have some weird echo going on now maybe disconnect your whatever history. That's I have to unmute. I'll try to stand back so it doesn't get feedback. Okay the next application is for 10 Elm Street the Washington County courthouse claire construction replacement of an access ramp. Is someone there to explain the application? Hi Steve this is Dan Claire. Are you looking for Meredith to explain the application? Yes. Oh sorry. Oh no Danny. Sorry Meredith if you were if you were just speaking to me I couldn't understand that did you could you say that again? Yeah I think we've all got echoes. Um I was just gonna say that usually if you're DRC oh wow. Okay I just muted Steve so that we can talk without echo for everybody else. Dan usually for DRC which is different from DRB the applicants just go right ahead. I don't usually introduce the applications so you go ahead. Okay very good. So we are proposing a new wheelchair ramp to replace the existing wheelchair ramp. The existing wheelchair ramp is at the end of its lifespan and needing to be replaced. When we started looking at that we also determined that the slope of the of the existing ramp is not quite what we needed to be hence the extended length hence the added length of of the proposed design so that we can you know meet the required that we can meet the slope requirements. The walking surface is a concrete surface it's going to be we're asking that the the face of it be faced with some granite block that is kind of cut of the same kind of texture as the existing foundation stone on that building. So we've got the concrete walking surface we've got a granite kind of kind of veneer kind of over the on the sides of the of the ramp and we've got the galvanized seal railing and I see in I noticed in the plans that some it is and it holds over as galvanized comma painted it is not painted it is just galvanized for the you know galvanized seal for the for the railing. The existing little roof that covers the door that protects the door will remain there will temporarily kind of prop it up and then build some new posts just you know to basically replicate what is there just setting down on the new concrete and that's the gist of it. What questions do you have for me? Dan this is actually the building behind the courthouse right the building that has the sheriff's office in it. That's correct yes yeah yeah. Meredith again can you share your screen and just show the the site plan? Here's close-up site plan I can do one of the ones further out if you want we do but I'll need to rotate the document. Can you scroll to an elevation? So the current ramp that's there now doesn't have any kind of foundation but this one will have that granite wall. Yeah the current ramp that's present the current ramp is up on concrete concrete sauna tubes okay those will be removed during the course of this project. And Dan it's the expectation which I I believe to be true but the galvanized will when somebody's throwing a whole lot of salt sand on this ramp will keep those steel railings from corroding. That is certainly the intention yeah we know that that yeah that's that's part of the reason why we chose the galvanized instead of a painted steel. Good nice design I like the curve I like the block I feel like it makes it a far more interesting ramp on that building than the than the previous one. Yeah no doubt I actually have a sample of the of the granite and it's a nice match to the texture of the existing building. It is floating around what goes in the new chipped granite rock garden. Yeah that's that would be an overstatement that was that was a wonderful idea that you know but it will be there will not there will not be any sculpture or artwork in there unless then you've got something in mind there right but but no it will just be a crushed stone kind of surface there that was that was an idea that was floated but but isn't going to gain traction at least in this moment. And that couldn't be added at a later date you're going to fill that in with with the granite the broken up granite as you're proposed here though right. That's correct yeah I think it would be a really kind of interesting place for some art to show up someday. And then it kind of tails off on the drawing here at the level landing at the bottom and it says the four inch granite curb. Okay there it is that's how that returns to the building and that will also be the the kind of chipped granite will flow into that kind of weird trapezoid in there. Oh exactly yes exactly. Yep Paul is that curb where it says four inches probably four inches wide. No it's four yeah good question no it's four inches tall I don't know what the standard width on curbing is but it's the same it's curbing it's the same granite curb that you see all over Montpelier. Yep roughly how tight is it between that kind of outside corner and the rail like can a person walk through that yeah right in there relatively easily. You're talking about it that and we'll get that smallest kind of pinch point right there. Yeah just like I imagine stuff getting in there and oh sure not having to have to jump over the rail but being able to walk back in there to get something. I don't really have the ability to like scale this right this second so sure your guess is probably as good as mine but I'm I'm going to guess it's something to the something to the tune of you know 10 12 inches right there. Yeah that's what it feels like a committed individual could get there. True enough. The railing detail then is also such that you know the the elevation doesn't really necessarily you know lend one to think this but if you look at the section on A2 you'll see that like you know the the the the granite comes up four inches or whatever it is some number of inches above the concrete ramp and then there's 30 something I don't have my glasses on me but 30 something you know inches in between the top of the granite and the underside of the rail so you know there's another opportunity to kind of get in that zone as well. It's not all closed off you could easily get in there underneath there yeah great yeah very nice. Thanks. One other question is are those is the railing square around I remember looking at this and thinking it was square but is it still square? Oh boy it's um it is still square let me zoom in on that. So the existing looks like it's a mix of square and rounded. The existing? Yeah it looks like the one the one's adjacent to the door look like they're rounded or squared whereas the ones on the ramp itself look like they're rounded. Yeah there's two different two different kind of um um you know dominant two different times. Sorry Ben I'm trying to zoom in on my on my sheet here but I one second. Good problem. Don't have square is what I'm saying. Yeah the handrail I saw that is square and I assume that that is than the post. Oh here we go here we go sorry I was just looking at the wrong drawing yes yes yes if we look at the section across the ramp drawing number three on A2 yeah we see that the grab rail is inch and a half steel square and actually it's all the posts it's all um that post and the grab rail are inch and a half uh galvanized steel square tubing and it will be the handrail will be and railing will all be bent in a sort of graceful way like the ramp is and not be segmented correct. That is correct yes that's where we ran into problems looks good thank you. Can you hear me now? Yes I can. If you can hear me I'll try if you can hear me I'll try to read through the criteria for the project one exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations of existing buildings acceptable existing buildings should be recognized as a physically changes alteration shall be of their own time not create a false sense of historicity the railings are acceptable in both of those additions to buildings called formed by public safety accessibility and fire codes shall be designed to maintain the character of the construction materials and features to the maximum extent feasible acceptable where applicable development shall be designed to respect views of the statehouse dome that's certainly acceptable and then there were a couple of items as far as additions and alterations to historic buildings generally applicable historic character of a property shall be retained and preserved the character finding features finishes and construction techniques for examples of craftsmanship they characterize an historic building shall be preserved development shall not destroy character defining features any treatments that cause damage to historic materials none lie here any new development shall be differential from the old but shall respect and be compatible with the massing size scale architectural features detailing an overall character the primary historic building those are acceptable site features existing historic and contributing resources such as street trees fences gates wall steps gazebos walkways front and side yard pattern shall be retained or restored when impacted there's nothing that impacts the existing so that's acceptable materials character defining material materials should be preserved some extent practicable material shall match existing materials to the maximum extent feasible all those details are acceptable with the proposed ramp architectural features architectural or character defining features prevailing on the existing building shall be considered an alteration when an architectural feature on an historic building has curated that's not applicable here architectural features on an addition shall not duplicate but just ramps and stairs shall be placed in a manner that does not impact or undermine the original and significant ornamentation or detailing of the existing building stairs ramps and porches shall employ suitable detailing to connect and be compatible with the historic and important design features of existing buildings and new construction stairs shall be designed in a manner with detail accept acceptable all in favor of the ramp as proposed speak your names this is martha i say yes and it says yes okay application is approved in spite of all the technical difficulties thank you for thank you very much dan all right thank you all appreciate it have a good evening you too dan okay thanks for the interruptions no problem thank you the next application is for seven school street malone properties and this is regarding the replacement of an existing overhead door on the eastern side of the building with a storefront style window is something for the application yes elicia filer with molten properties and let me um share my screen picture um so the the building that we're looking to renovate um is seven school street and it is a historic building um this is the eastern side of the building the front of the building is more recognizable as this front so this is the eastern side of the building and we're looking to replace the overhead door here in this red box and I zoomed in a bit this overhead door with a window instead to let light in the new tenant will have some office spaces or office units in there um that sunlight is more valuable than a loading loading doctor um so the idea is that it would be replaced with a four pane kind of storefront style it will replace the full opening of the door so the the full width 59 inches wide by the eight feet tall will be that one unit of of four panes and it will be painted they call it heartford green so in attempt to match the other green windows that are already um in that on that building what are the other windows like there elicia the other windows are um yeah on that side they definitely yep they definitely vary some so this is an example right here here's the the door that we're looking to replace with a window right um and this this is a typical of that window there's one two three three or four sets along that for like yeah one two three four that have the um how do they call that would they call that 12 over 12 or it looks like a nine over nine just I think it's 12 it's okay there's there's several and and the historic um registry document actually says that it's six over six which I think we can agree is not the case but um so these ones are all those but we weren't we're planning on matching the openings so none of the brickwork would change you can keep that um that integrity of all that style still the same how do you intend to fill in below the window the window will actually go to the full length of where the door is right now so it will be like a what they call storefront type window it'll go from the top of a normal door opening eight feet all the way to the ground or in this case um the elevated spot where the granite stops and the door starts without that line right here will be the the bottom of the window I don't know if you can see my cursor or not now that yeah I can yes and then and then loading dock will just be art so the the platform um is actually protecting some of the utilities that are back here there's an electric meter and there's a gas meter and things like that so right now we're we're planning on keeping it there to protect um you can see there's not actually supposed to be parking in this area but clearly there's a there's a vehicle there um so we're we're looking just to kind of keep that corner protected and if in the future we need to remove that um loading dock we'll have to come to Meredith for site clearing review um to to look at that that change but for right now that um is is planning on saying just be the window fitting in that door opening I guess my only question is was did you look at doing windows that more more closely resemble the ones that are there like a 12 over 12 um was that not uh well I I think that the concern was is being able to appropriately match the brick and the um if we did a similar style of 12 over 12 window here um we'd really want to match that brickwork and um granite block and I I think it just wasn't um it wasn't an ideal situation and more sunlight is well in my world more sunlight is better but um the to have that storefront style will allow a lot more light in in that space and and not um try to patch in uh non-historic brick and and there's a pretty unique uh cement block type style face there so it's we don't want to I agree with you that use the mark on that that's going to a 12 over 12 when you have a different opening size therefore having all your uh squares or rectangles being slightly different than all the ones next to it I would rather see you do what you're proposing which is change it radically then try to be close and miss a little bit right I don't hear me Meredith oh there we go okay sorry I said I lost her Alicia could you unshare so we can just see each other awesome Steve I don't know if are you there can you hear me Meredith this is Steve yes we can hear you okay I'm sorry unless anybody else has anything to add or any other questions I can go through the criteria for the proposed change exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations shall be consistent and compatible with the characteristics of the existing building and again the compatibility of size scale materials detailing an overall character with the primary building and the additions or changes do not obscure undermine the essential form and character of the original building existing buildings should be recognized as a physical record of time place and use and any changes are compatible with that very acceptable there's a comment about rhythm visual patterns established by the alterations of solid walls and openings in the facade of a building shall create a rhythm proportional architectural details sense of rhythm and regular spacing of front fenestration shall be considered scale and massing of architectural features shall present a variety and their composition that's acceptable architectural features including but not limited to cornices windows shutters fan lights and tabulator trim and other forms of molding or character defining detailing shall be considered in the alteration that's acceptable and then there's a section on additions and alterations to historic buildings historic character of a property shall be retained and preserved character defining features finishes and construction techniques they characterize that historic building shall be preserved the addition does not obscure undermine essential form and character additions shall not enter into style and features that are not compatible but no damage is being caused by this change to any part of the building and it says any new development shall be differentiated from the old but shall respect and be compatible with the massing size scale features detailing an overall character of the primary historic building that's acceptable rhythm again this is a repeat patterns of solids and openings shall be preserved to the extent feasible that's acceptable materials the materials are compatible with the existing materials of the other windows architectural features architectural or character defining features prevailing on the existing building shall be considered in any alteration there's no deterioration the replacement again is considerate of the details of the of the building of the other windows the architectural features on an addition in this particular case they do not duplicate but respect the original building's architectural features acceptable windows and doors character defining windows and door patterns placement sizes proportions and original features shall be preserved to the extent possible windows and doors that are not character defining may be replaced by such replacements must be must be compatible with the historic building style materials and architectural features acceptable all in favor of the application to replace the door with the proposed window speak your names this is Martha I'm a yes Hannah says yes and says yes and Steve says yes it is approved thank you Meredith can you hear me so Alicia just like the others we just need to get the recommendation form back from Steve and we'll be issuing the permit for this thank you have a good night everyone you too thank you very much did we have a motion to approve the minutes this is Martha I'll move to approve the minutes all in favor speak your names Martha and then and Steve and our next meeting is April the 19th does anyone have anything else to add at this point Steve this is Hannah I just wanted to quickly say that this is actually my last meeting I moved out of Montpelier a few months ago and as I am no longer a resident I'm not putting an application in for another term so I wanted to thank you as a person without any background in historic preservation this has been a really great learning experience for me and I've really enjoyed serving on the committee thank you very very much for your participation it's greatly appreciated and we will miss you yeah well I'm not that far away from Montpelier so I I will probably see you guys around town well I'm very sorry I missed everything you just said oh um this this is my my last meeting my term is ending and I no longer live in Montpelier it's been great working with you Hannah and thanks Martha you will be you will be greatly missed well I will um Meredith I will send out word of the open position and see if I can find anyone who's interested awesome yeah well we're advertising on this end because we'll have we actually have two openings your seat is going to be opening up and we have an alternate position open so all right if anybody's interested please reach out to me here at city's hall thank you very much again it's greatly appreciated yeah thank you and we will miss you thanks hi Hannah it was great to have you yes thank you yeah bye Hannah good luck thanks good luck to the committee I'm going to sign off if anyone anything else otherwise do I hear a motion to adjourn ooh I'll move to adjourn it's my final action I will second all in favor adjournments speak your names Martha yes Hannah and Steve meeting is adjourned yay thank you thank you all bye now