 Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger and welcome to Dare to Dream. Today is going to be a great show because in a little bit, I have Sarah Hudson on the program, and we're going to be talking about success in the matrix. Sarah Teresa Hudson is an American pop singer, songwriter, creator of the club pop music project, ultraviolet sound, and has written most of the number one songs you listen to today. Dare to Dream is listed in Welp magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to today. We recently won the COVR Best Radio and Podcast Award and have been nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Awards and for a Webby Award. Thank you so much for being on this journey. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane Here and Access Consciousness. They do beautiful energy work out into the world. If you would like to become a facilitator or take one of their classes, go to drdanehere.com or accessconsciousness.com. I'm Debbie Daschinger and I teach speakers and spiritual messengers and coaches the highly effective steps to write an excellent book. I'm a book writing coach. I also take your book to Guaranteed International Best Seller and the third leg is that I show you how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts and get massive results. Right now, I am rolling out the new five-day podcast interview challenge. If you'd like to join or read more about it, go to debbd.net slash challenge. It's debbid.net slash challenge. When you join, what you'll get is to learn how to say yes. How to say yes to doing this and then what to present to a podcast, so you get a yes to be interviewed on the show. Then what do you do once you are on the show? I coach you on how to be an exquisite interview, how to find the right shows for your expertise, how to have your speaking and talking points prepared and align with the right shows for hundreds of bookings. Engage with media influencers. 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Sarah has written the diamond-certified number one song by Katy Perry, Swish Swish, and also the top five hit, Black Widow. So my screen is going nuts here. Welcome to Mercury Retrograde. So it's quite a bio as you can tell. She is in it to win it, this girl. She's also a tarot reader, an intuitive, a public speaker, and Sarah offers a series of workshops, including this year's Manifesting in a Matrix at the Conscious Life Expo in Los Angeles, and as an upcoming workshop called, Success in the Matrix. If you want to learn more, go to Instagram, and her handle is at Sarah Hudson XX, and I will have in the show notes her Instagram, her bio, also the Conscious Life Expo URL, so you can go live or live stream. And with that, I welcome Sarah Hudson to Dear to Dream. It is so great to have you. Thanks for being here. Hi, I'm so happy to be here, Debbie. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, it's great. So you're in the studio today recording. Can I ask what you're recording? I am. I'm just doing a writing session today, just writing songs with some songwriters that I work with a lot. Yeah, so I stepped out, I'm in my car, which is also like my other office. I do so many things in my car, so I came in here for some privacy. I was sitting yesterday while I was researching you, which was very joyful because I come from a very strong musical background. My family's in music. I'm a singer. I love music. Amazing. Frequency is everything. It's so healing. And I was just amazed at what you've amassed at such a young age. And I kept wondering, what causes you to write? Like, what's the process for you that something gets birthed out of you that you know the music, you know the lyrics? What has to happen inside of you for all of that to occur? You know, for me, the process of writing is different every time, depending on what room I am in, the people I'm with, but I have to say my ultimate favorite and when I feel most connected is when I'm in the room with people that I just am on the same frequency with and we really connect energetically and it's a safe space to, you know, cause writing a song, it's like a million just ideas come out until you land on the one that everybody resonates with, you know? So having the energy in the room feel like a safe space and open space. The energy is just flowing and you're able to get it all out before you really connect to what I call, you know, the God space and become like a channel. I mean, I have to say I really call myself a channel because I don't remember a lot after I come up with ideas and it comes out. I don't remember. Sometimes I listen to songs I've written and I'm like, I have no idea how I did that. I don't know, like, and I think that it takes a lot to tap into that space but when you're in the right environment, it's just, it's effortless and it's like the best feeling ever, you know? And what about Dark Horse? Was that kind of an anthem song for you? Was that you really expressing something that was important to you and about you? Dark Horse, you know, was really Katy Perry and I coming up with a concept that, you know, is about just being a strong woman and an empowered woman. And yeah, it really was a song that changed my life at that time. It really opened so many doors for me and, you know, at the time I was filing for bankruptcy and I reversed my bankruptcy because of that song and I moved out of a studio. I was living in a one-room studio and I moved out and was able to get an apartment and able to get into situations with, you know, other amazing artists and writers and that song, it's weird. It became, I really related to it a lot after the fact. Like I feel like I am a Dark Horse in the sense of like coming up from, you know, sort of, I don't know, like an underground like left of center space. So that song for many reasons is just so close to my heart. Yeah, it's an amazing story coming from living in a one-room recording studio filing for bankruptcy and becoming an entrepreneur and a millionaire. And what's beautiful about the story is what's underneath it is you decided to create your own reality through manifestation, through spirituality, through magic. And now you work with the biggest stars of our time. Yes. So how did you align with that version of you into creation? You know, I've always, my entire life been a seeker, a searcher. I've always been interested in, you know, I went to Catholic school my whole life but I never really resonated with that. I always was like, what else, what else? Like learning about Buddha and Hinduism and, you know, all different kinds of faith and always had like mediums and psychics and, you know, healers and I was always curious and searching and I learned, you know, tarot at a younger age. And I just kind of was always seeking. And then, you know, what really changed the game for me and I talk about this a lot is the book, The Magic by Rhonda Byrne. And it's all about gratitude. And, you know, I was in the lowest, probably the lowest place I've ever been as far as, like I said, filing for bankruptcy. I was living in a place, no shower, no kitchen. It was just like a box, you know? Splitting subway sandwiches for the week. Like it was just like a, and I had ended, you know, I had been signed as an artist. I had been in a band. I had been through this whole journey already and nothing was clicking. And it was a really difficult, spiritual and emotional time for me. And I read that book and it's all about gratitude. And I started doing that book, the exercises in that book, like to the T, every single day, it's like you write down what you're grateful for and why and you really say it and you really feel it. And I was like committed to that. And I have to say, like it was for 30 days and after those 30 days, my world was just like, like flipped around because my vibration was, my frequency was high. My vibration was buzzing. And I was bringing in all of this good energy and good opportunity and, you know, since then I just started really diving into it all and manifestation and, you know, all of that. And it just, I apply it in my life in every area. So, but that was a moment that was a big turning point. Huge turning point. Yeah, that's about as polar as you can get. Yeah, real testimony to magic. So today, how imperative are your spiritual practices? So here you are, you've arrived, you're known, you're successful, are you still practicing? Has it changed? And how important is it to your creative process and to the workshops you deliver? You know, it's just become a part of my everyday life. Just, you know, I'm always reading, I'm always meditating, I'm exercising, I'm eating healthy, I'm staying in that mindset as much as I can. And, you know, it definitely like once you're in that routine and you're vibrating high and you feel good and you kind of drop off, I don't have to meditate today. I don't have to do that today. You know, it happens to me all the time. And then I get hit with like some kind of feeling or an ego moment or a sadness or something. And it's just a reminder to me like, girl, get back on that train, you know? And it's major for me with my creativity. Like it's one in the same for me with my creativity because I just really believe that amazing art and creations come when you are not in your ego and when you are just fully connected and it's a practice like anything else to stay in that space, you know? But for me, yeah, I mean, I'm bringing, you know, sage everywhere and I'm pulling cards and I'm like lowering the lights and I'm creating my environment pretty much everywhere I go, especially for work, you know? But yeah, it goes hand in hand for me. I know you talk about how we can unlock our ultimate potential. Yeah. And you also talk about that we live in a system that tries to render us powerless. Yeah. I think being alive right now is a testament to that. Yes. 100%. So what are some secrets, if you will, that you can give us as recommendations so we can unlock our potential? You know, my, in the workshop that I wrote for last year's Conscious Life Expo was manifesting in the matrix. So what I mean by the matrix is, you know, it's a trendy term, but what I mean by it is just in the system we're all in, you know? We all, we're in a system. We have to work a job and we have to pay our bills and we have to, you know, survive. And I think it's really easy to get like overwhelmed and bogged down by that. And that's for me where, you know, manifesting comes into play. And for me, it's like, look, there's so many steps to this, but for me, the main thing when you're manifesting or when you want something or you even want to feel a certain way is, you know, you have to envision it. You have to, whatever it is, I mean, I don't know, let's say I want to go to Greece and that's what I'm manifesting. You have to envision it and feel it in your body. It's like almost like a meditation practice, a prayer practice of like, I put yourself there, put yourself in those shoes, you're in Greece or you're getting that, you know, whatever, you're meeting that friend or lover, whatever you want to bring into your life, you really feel it and bring it into your vibration because, you know, the law of attraction, which I'm sure everybody listening knows is what you put out, you get back, you know? Asking it is given. It's like when you put out that frequency, it returns to you. So for me, it's like, okay, like I want to manifest this in my life, I have to go there energetically, you know? And then I have to have faith that I can achieve that, that I can get there and, you know, do my practices, quiet my mind, meditate, you know, take care of my temple and just, I mean, I could go on forever and ever, but really I would say feeling it and becoming it is just the secret to me, the key. What about creating dreams? This is dare to dream. Is that very much like what you're describing or is there spiritual steps to achieving one's dream? And if so, what are the spiritual dream steps? It's a good question. I mean, yes, definitely. I think, you know, I mean, I have big dreams, have had big dreams, achieved a lot of what I have dreamed and not, you know? And I think what I've learned is to just do what you're good at to just do what you're good at and keep doing it and keep having that faith and that confidence and moving forward and almost surrendering to the divine, to the divine plan. Surrender is such a theme for me because when I look back on my life, the times I was just so holding on so hard and wanting to control it so hard and so upset if it didn't go my way and all of it, those are the times I didn't achieve the dream, but the times I just released and I was grateful to be alive and I was grateful to wake up every day, pet my dogs, the littlest things, just grateful. And I kind of just, I just like let spirit and let the universe just guide me, you know? And when I think about those times, that's when everything that I've achieved kind of came into my world. It's that same thing, you're meeting that vibration. It's almost like the universe, whatever you wanna call it, God, spirit, it's just, it like hears you when you're in that space and it responds to you, you know? I think that is so huge what you just said. It's so prevalent in my life right now. I am working on that. And I'm listening to the audible by David Hawking's called Letting Go. And I'm literally taking that on as my journey and so interesting that you're saying all this, I was just interviewed earlier this week on someone's podcast and because of her line of questioning and it was really pretty genius, I saw at every reference point that was important in my life, what preceded it was surrender. And I wanna call myself out and say, I'm not typically or haven't been previously very good at this. And here I'm working on it and she's asking me these questions. I'm like, oh yeah, before that happened, I surrendered. Oh, and before my career changed, that happened and I surrendered and suddenly I was so moved while I was sharing because I was able to get the gift in return, you know, Deb? Every time you let go, good things happen. And I know it's a struggle, my claws are in, I wanna control it, I know it's fast, it's so deep. And then when I let go, that's like the greatest, most unexpected things occur. I know, I mean, the reason I know this is because I struggle with it. And every time I do it, like exactly what you just said, I'm like, oh, that happened. That's when that happened, that's when that happened. I wanna hold on so tight, so much in my life, but that's my practice. I have to say every single day, all day long is surrender. And especially in creative scenarios and creativity and, you know, because I collaborate, I collaborate with other people and it's like they have ideas too and it might not be what's resonating with me, but if I surrender for the greater good of this outcome of this song or this piece of art, I could make something I wouldn't even fathom making, you know? So it's such an important piece that surrender. I have on my arm, surrender Dorothy, looking every day at this. And it's funny, like in a meditation, that came to me like in a meditation because I thought, you know, the Wizard of Oz is so incredible and I think has so many incredible, deeper meanings. And I thought of that and I was like, what if the witch symbolized like Dorothy's fear and dark side and she's trying to control the situation so much, I gotta get to Oz, I gotta get home. I got, you know, and that writing in the sky, it's like surrender to it all, to the journey, to the hard parts, the good parts, I don't know. It was a really big moment for me, that meditation. That's brilliant. Well, maybe your next song will be about surrender. Yes, I guess. It's definitely a theme, an everyday theme in my life. And I really appreciate you being transparent about that it's difficult at times. Yeah, of course. The pieces is also very, I mean, there's you and you. You and God, goddess, all of that, you and life. And then really good point, you brought up the collaboration. Then you have another being enter the room with their own opinions, their own direction, their own downloads. And here you are in this creative space. And so can you tell a story about a time when surrender was very difficult for you and you managed to let go and something magnificent was born out of that? I mean, honestly, it's, I think I was in a band, ultraviolet sound with my now husband. We were in a band together for six years and I, this was my life and my, you know, eat, sleep and breathe this band. We just, I was so passionate about it. And I was holding on so tight and I didn't wanna let go of the possibility for us to become the biggest band in the world. And, you know, I was just so holding on so tight and trying to control every little situation about it. And my now husband, you know, after six years of being in this band, he came to me and he was like, you know what? I'm, I don't wanna do this band anymore. I wanna do my own thing, my own project, and I don't wanna do it anymore. And I was like, so devastated. I, you know, I was just devastated. I was like, oh my God, we're like, what am I gonna do, you know? And then, but I understood on a level cause we had gotten to a point of like I said earlier, we were living in a studio. We were so broke. It was really difficult to live. But when I really let go and started just, you know, the universe guided me. It's like, I had no idea what I was gonna do, but the universe brought in some artists into my life, some other songwriters. I started writing songs. It kind of just became something I was doing anyway. And long story short, I'm here. Like I surrendered to the process. I never thought in my life I would be a songwriter. I mean, I knew I wrote songs, but I was like, oh, I'm a singer, I'm gonna be famous, I'm gonna be in a band, I'm gonna, you know? And I just, I surrendered to it. And I, everything started pouring in, you know? So that was pretty major for me. Who's your favorite collaborator? Oh, that's a good question. You know, I have been blessed to have so many incredible people that I've worked with, but I do have one songwriter in particular. His name is Coffee. Hi, Coffee. And him and I really just, we really go there together and we have written, you know, we wrote songs, those songs were Dua Lipa and we've written, you know, a bunch of other songs together and we just have a thing. And we're both very, very similar spiritually. And we talk about God and we talk about, you know, throwing it all away and letting it just, being channels and beaming and, you know, getting beams. And we're just on that sort of frequency together. So writing songs with him is just like, it's like just effortless and spiritual. Beautiful. Which is my favorite. Effortless and spiritual. Hi, Coffee. Thanks for your good work. I like that. Hi, Coffee. I'm super interested about the tarot as well as you being a star seed. Of course you are. And let's start with tarot because although I've known of tarot since I'm a little kid, I was same like you like into all this stuff. Yeah. And my real appreciation though has recently been turned on because I did some work with somebody. And while I was working with her as a healer, she was, you know, as a healer, what she could tell me and see in my life and the like literally knowing people and everything that was going on with them and situations, I didn't have to say a thing. And I sat back and thought, this is outstanding that cards can speak to somebody like this. How is it for you with the tarot? Yeah, it's the same for me. I mean, I learned, I always was drawn to tarot and Oracle cards. And I just always thought it was so cool and anyone who's in LA, the psychic eye bookstore, that was like where I would go after school. I mean, I was just like, oh, I wanna learn all of this, you know? And I didn't really start learning, learning until I don't know, maybe it was, I don't even know like 10 years ago, maybe eight years. I can't remember, but from an amazing teacher, her name is Naha and she has a school downtown LA called 22 Teachings and she has been just a spiritual advisor for me for many years and she's incredible. And she was doing tarot courses. So I was like, you know what? It's time, I'm gonna learn. I'm really gonna learn. So I did the courses, I read the books, I really learned about it all. And what I learned is, they're just a tool, they're just a spiritual tool for intuitives to tap in. I mean, there's so many meanings in one little card, everything from the number of it to the name of it to where the moon is, where the little lizard is, what the colors are. I mean, you know, there's so many meanings and if you know those meanings, it kind of makes sense when you're reading for somebody, I don't know what like all ties in together, but really it's just a tool. Sometimes I'll do a reading for somebody and like I'm not even really focusing on those details of the cards, I'm just getting messages. Like I'm just sort of getting downloads, like I'll see one card and go, oh my God, this is what I feel like the message is for you. And I don't know, they're a tool for me to connect. And I started out as, I mean, for fun, I still just do it for fun, but it kind of became like, you know, everyone was like, whoa, you're actually telling me stuff that has happened or that I'm feeling, or I don't know, it became more of a thing than I even had intended, but I always am every, mostly every day, every week I'm pulling cards and I just kind of, you know, take the messages that come in. Beautiful, absolutely. I love that you're using it as divination for yourself. Yeah, yeah, it's not so much, it's funny, some people are like really weirded out by the tarot or like they're like, I'm scared, I don't want to get the double card or death or whatever. And it's like, it doesn't mean those things. It's not like, it has nothing to do with any of that. Yeah, it's not literal, but I just love it. I mean, it's very, very big passion of mine. And you call yourself a star seed. Do you know what your star seed origins are? You know, I have been told by two mediums, one who I see talk to a lot and who is another spiritual advisor and blessing to me that I have Pleiadian, you know, DNA or an origin. And I don't, I have to say, it just like completely resonated with me right away. I do feel something he said, which I thought was really cool was that I was sent here to understand Earth and understand how this planet operates and to bring light into this planet and then take it back to my people and kind of explain how Earth works. I don't know, like, and when he said that, I was like, God, I do feel that. I mean, I do feel, I do feel that in a way. I don't know, in my sort of soul. I don't know, is it real? Is it true? I don't know, but I feel it, you know? Totally, yeah. I've had a galactic reading and it was so much better than getting my DNA tested by Ancestry.com. I mean, it was way more fulfilling and spoke way more to who I am today, understanding these different incarnations, what I was doing, why I was there and it completely speaks to the gifts I have today, the way I operate, and maybe why sometimes it's so hard to be on this planet, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's why- It's a dense place to be. Yeah, that's why when he said that, I was like, God, that makes sense more than anything. So I just feel, you know, and I just feel like I have a special sort of, gift bringing light and joy into the world. And, you know, to me, that's sort of what a star seed is to me, just a light being, you know? Yeah, you know, I resonate with a lot of pleiades and sort of, you know, Bringers of the Dawn is one of my all-time favorite books ever. I listen to it, honestly, I listen to it to go to sleep. Like it just resonates with my soul. So I'm like, maybe it's true. But, you know, yeah, I don't know. That's kind of what I mean by star seed. Yes, I resonate too, so much with what you're saying. And that's beautiful. I think it's nice to have a place to start. And so here you are. You are a humanoid. You are an earthling and you are going through the experience, right? So we have all sorts of- You can see me okay with these lights sort of- Yeah, a dappling of light. Trying to block them. Yeah, I do see it, but it's not on your face right now. So, and folks who are listening to the podcast, by the way, if you want to see me and Sarah and you want to see the beautiful lighting on her, et cetera, go to youtube.com slash Debbie Blaschinger. So you can also not just listen to this, but watch us as well. It's well worth it. What do you do here on your lifetime, Sarah, when you have fear, when you have disappointments, how do you deal with it? How do you get through it? How do you process it? How do you show up for yourself? That's a really good question because one of my biggest struggles in my life has been anxiety and fear of death you know, fear of death. You know, I had a kidney removed when I was three and it was like emergency surgery. And I think, you know, I was very close to not making it and it was sort of this big moment that I think sort of stayed energetically in my body. So I had throughout my life a lot of fear of death, anxiety, these sort of like feelings and thoughts that, you know, were really hard to navigate for a lot of like my teenage years and all throughout my life in and out of life. And I think the one thing that has just helped me and changed that for me is meditation. I mean, you know, and a lot of writing, like a lot of journaling, I'm big on that. Like whenever my mind is just going, going, going and I'm feeling that anxiety, I just write it out. I just free write, like just write, write, write and then meditating, it's just quieting my mind. Like and remembering that this life is like two seconds, it's just like so quick and that it's like an experience. Like whenever I kind of, whenever something feels so serious and scary, I'm like, I zoom out and I'm just like, this is just like an adventure. Just write it out and enjoy this. Like it doesn't have to be that serious, you know? And obviously I know a lot of people have, you know, incredible hardships and I'm not saying life is easy by any means, but I think just zooming out and remembering that our time here is very, very short and precious. And, you know, I'm 42, I'm gonna be 43 in March and, you know, I know that's not like old, but I've lived 40 something years in my life and I'm kind of like, whoa, what? I feel like I'm 18. I can't believe that this is, I'm already here, you know? And so I wanna just enjoy the rest of my life. I wanna really like be in the moment and not let fear take over me because I feel like a lot of that is induced by the world that we live in and by the society that we're in and, you know, we're constantly being bombarded with fear, fear, fear. So, yeah, it's just a practice that, it's just a practice. And I think meditating helps you remember who you really are, you know? Yeah, because here we are deep in the ascension. We are in it, folks. And we said, hell yeah, to being here at this time. So are there ways that you recommend, especially those of us who are sensitive and empaths who really feel probably way more than what is ours and probably care more, way more. So with all that in mind, what do you recommend for thriving, navigating, creating the most abundant life within the constructs of the matrix but taking into account that we are currently ascending? Yeah, yeah. I mean, for me, it's all about like the, and I feel like I've really accepted this lately, like and more maybe in the past few years have understood that this planet is, it's the polarity, it's dark and it's light. Like that can't, neither one can exist without the other. So I think it's like instead of just wishing everything was okay and why aren't we in, why aren't we the new earth yet? Like why is there violence? Why is there pain? Why is there, I just think that we have to accept that that is a part, it's the shadow. And when we accept that that's a part of it, we can stand in the light more. I don't know. Like we can shine the light on the darkness and go, hey, like come over here. I don't know if that makes any sense, but something about accepting that helps me sort of navigate through it. Then I don't get so frustrated and fearful and anxious because I'm like, you know what, this is a part of it. Like you said, I chose to incarnate during this time for whatever reason. So I have to understand where I am right now, and stay in my light being in my God self. And I also think keeping your microcosm, your little bubble protected is so important too. Like the people you surround yourself with should really be on your frequency or within your sphere, because especially as empaths, it's like we can attract some really dark energy and sadness and a lot of people that need healing and we wanna heal them. And not to say we should turn people away, but I think just protecting your inner circle and who you keep close can help you kind of stay in that vibration, you know? Yeah, beautiful. So speaking of those in our circles, you have quite a circle, yourself. If I have this right, your aunt is Goldie Hawn, your cousin is Katie. She is, yes. Close friend of your family is Steven Tyler. So you grew up around all these beautiful free spirits, you grew up around music, your father was in music, your mother, et cetera. Were they also spiritual? Was spirituality nurtured in you growing up? Definitely my family, you know, had, yes, just from, you know, my cousins to my aunts and grandparents and there's always a sense of faith. I would say more faith. And they were all, and my family, you know, is most of my family are dreamers and have achieved their dreams. And that takes a certain amount, whether you call it spirituality or whatever you call it, it takes a certain amount of belief and faith and manifestation and, you know, freedom and commitment. So yeah, I was really surrounded by that. And my dad especially, you know, he was always, you know, bringing home crystals and Buddha things. And we're listening to John Lennon and teaching me about, you know, the 60s and the 70s. I mean, I definitely, he's a big spiritual being that has been a guide to me in my life too, you know, from a very young age. So yeah, yeah. And just watching, you know, watching him, he would, he's a songwriter, producer and I'd go there after school and, you know, he'd be working with the likes of the Stephen Tyler or Ozzy Osbourne or, you know, all these artists and I'm watching them create and how it's happening. And that to me is a spiritual process, you know, whether you call it that or not, but yeah, I just kind of was always around it. Yeah. And I recently saw a photo of you from your 20-year high school reunion and there you were. Yeah, oh my God. Yeah, Kim Kardashian and you taking all these photos together. Yeah, I went to high school with Kim, yeah. How was that? Was that, I mean, well, I guess that's a multi-layered question because there's a fascination that you went to school together and also that you're both so successful. How was that walking back into your reunion? Was that a celebration? Was it a calibration? Yeah, it was incredible. I mean, and, you know, not just Kim, but a lot of that group of girls that I was friends with and went to high school with, I went to an all girls Catholic high school in LA, you know, we all had our little uniforms and it was wild, nuns and the whole thing. But a lot of those girls are all very successful and really just again, living their dreams and it was so cool to go back and sort of see where we all were just these little young dreamers and it was just the greatest, it was really cool and Kim is such an angel, so sweet and we just had, I don't know, we had like a really special bond back then and we all kind of went off and did our own things but we're all sort of killing it in each area we're in. So it was really cool. How nice, how nice. And how interesting to go to a reunion with all girls. Oh my God, it really is like, and going to high school with all girls too was very interesting, you know, made me a little boy crazy at one point. But Anne completely made me rebel against religion. Which I do attest to my spirituality and my seeking and searching because a lot of things about Catholicism really turned me off even back then, you know? So it made me look and made me search and, you know? So yeah, that time it was just a really, a really like important time in who I am today. And I want to go back to something where we started which is about your process of writing a song. So for me with the band I'm with, I write poetry but I have to say the idea of actually hearing music, I have perfect pitch, I have relative pitch but I cannot thus far have not been able to hear music to set to my own words. I want to ask about your process here. And my boyfriend, my partner and I, he's my musical partner too, he did an experiment with me last night which was pretty cosmic. And he said, I want you to forget the lyrics to these songs and pretend you're doing light language and just let whatever come through you much like you said, like a channel. And it was the most extraordinary experience because there were melodies, haunting melodies that came out of me that I even couldn't forget this morning. And I was like, wow, that was crazy. And I'm still- Yeah, you channeled. Yeah, and I'm in this process and I still don't know how to marry things like that. Do you start with lyrics first? Do you start with music first? How does that come through for you? It's different every time. I mean, I started off when I was little writing poetry. That's how I started with poetry. I always sang, I didn't really know how to write a song but I was just very vocal, singing and wrote poetry every day. I mean, I have books on books on books of just poetry. But now, it's different every time but now I like to sort of hear the music, kind of like what you experienced. Hear the music and just see like what melodies, what do I wanna sing sort of over this? And then, I don't know, then it's like the lyrics or the concept kind of comes in. It's all about feeling for me. I don't read music really. I play a little piano. I've never studied like, you know, classically. So it's all feeling for me. And so I kind of listened to the music and the melodies and I'm like, what is this making me feel? Is it love? Is it sad? Is it, you know? And then the lyrics will sort of come, you know? But there have been times where I've walked in with a title or I've walked in with a word or, you know, a poem or whatever it is and then put that to a melody. It's just different every time. Plus it depends on who I'm in the room with and what their strengths are. And so yeah, I don't know. I don't have like one way really. But keep going. Don't stop. Thank you. I won't. And it's funny, every time I get to the studio I'm always kind of like, how do we do this again? You know, but it just, I don't know what happens. It just happens. That's amazing because that is an ultimate surrender. I can imagine coming up against that, going into a studio like ultimate. Like you've got to produce, you've got to produce, right? And then to have to just widen back into the field and allow what's supposed to come through to come through. Yeah. Powerful, powerful. Yeah, and one thing I, yeah, no. And one thing I always sort of talk about when I talk to like, you know, up and coming writers, which I do a lot of those kind of panels and things, as I say, you know, don't be so precious. Don't be so precious. It's like when we're, when we're just starting out or when we're just learning, it's like, it's that control thing, I guess. It's like, we want it to be good. We want it to be a hit song. We want it, you know, and it's like, we got to surrender that and not be so precious. And it's like, this is what we wrote today. This is what came through today. Let's see what we do tomorrow, you know? And it's like, I feel like when you're not so precious about everything, it flows easier. Yeah. It's not that significant or deep most of the time. So. Exactly. Yeah. Throwing things away can be wonderful and experimental. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. You are speaking February 10th through the 13th. You're going to be at the LA Conscious Life Expo. And tell us a little bit, what are you going to be doing while you're there? What can people expect and how can they find you? I'm so excited. I'm speaking on the 12th. And I, this workshop in particular, I'm calling it my last one and first one that I did was called Manifesting in the Matrix. All about manifesting, navigating through, you know, the matrix. And this one, I'm calling success in the matrix because I want to bring in, you know, it'll be similar as far as a lot of things about manifesting and those techniques, but I want to bring it into your work and your, our, you know, our passions and our work because I am also planning to do another talk to songwriters and creators. So I kind of want to bring in some of that, like the things we were just talking about, you know, surrendering when you're creating or when you're doing your passion or connecting spiritually and allowing it to channel through you and how do you do that and how does your spirituality play into, you know, your job, your passion and just a little bit about, you know, success and being successful and like, you know, bringing in abundance into your life, bringing in opportunities. And like, yeah, it's kind of similar to my last one but it's a little more geared to achieving your dreams and bringing it into your dreams and your passions. Perfect, perfect segue. So this is Dare to Dream and folks who want to see Sarah live and in person in the show notes, you will find the link to register and don't wait, the tickets do sell out and there are people from all over the world who come. You will want to see her in person. The link to go there will be in the show notes and if for whatever reason you are listening to this and you're somewhere in the world where that's not possible, they live stream it, you can also sign up for that. Yeah. So Sarah, what do you next dare to dream? What are your future dreams and goals? What have you not yet created that is hot on your list? You know, I think I want to do more. I am planning to do more of this kind of thing. I want to speak more on, you know, my experiences and how I've used my spiritual tools and doing more of this. And I have to say what I'm manifesting is a TED talk. I really want to do a TED talk. So that's on my list. Bravo, brave woman. OK, I do think you're brave. They can find you on Instagram at Sarah Hudson XX. Anything else you want to say here at the end to the listeners? Just, you know, I am grateful that to everyone that's listening and I really would encourage you to come to the workshop at Conscious Life Expo. I'm so excited about it. I put a lot of energy into it. And, you know, and I'm excited to meet everybody. And and, yeah, just stay the course, you know, stay positive, surrender, let's I like to say one thing. I like to say, you know, spirit, you know, take this burden from me or take this fear from me. And then I hear spirit say to say back to me, I will if you let me. And I always try to remember that, like, we got to let we got to surrender and let the universe take its course, you know. And that that brings me a lot of comfort and ease. So. So, yeah, just to help a little tip, which is beautiful because they say spirit, the angels are always there wanting to help, but they must they are asked, right? And until we ask, they cannot intervene and help. So what a beautiful reminder you left us with. Thank you for the show. I really enjoyed this. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. I'm excited. Honor, and I will see you at the Conscious Life Expo. I'll be there, folks. Yes. And I end today's show with this quote from Margo Fontaine. Genius is another word for magic. And the whole point of magic is that it is inexplicable. Thank you for joining the show. Subscribe, share this, leave a comment. I read everything. And next week on this number one transformation conversation, I am featuring the amazing Lee Carroll, who channels cry on. So join us for sure for that show as well. Remember everything you learned here today. Surrender, let go, let what is supposed to come through, come through. And if you need, ask for help because it is there. Dare to dream and dare to create all your dreams into your reality.