 Let's give away some t-shirts. Give away them shirts, Doug. All right. We had 19 reviews this last week Wow, we're on our way up. There we go. So we didn't even call for it, huh? No, I did. No, you didn't. Yeah, I did No, I did. Yeah, okay. You did to myself. Fine So we're gonna give away Five shirts the secret I was saying in the email Love attraction give those shirts away. All right five shirts going out starting with Renfro Fitness Buh buh buh buh buh buh boh Holy shit. Training. Mama BDW and finally, big sexy bear. Oh, is that you, Justin? Yeah. Dude, you don't need any t-shirts, bro. Come on. Come on, man. Yeah, how do they get the shirt? All right, Gainin. Send the name I just read to iTunes at Mind Pump Media.com. Include your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that right out to ya. Boom. Big sexy bear out. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind Pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews. Boy, uh, if you're, uh, if you're easily offended Get ready. Yeah, um, you might pump might not be for you. You might not want to listen to this upcoming episode of Mind Pump in the beginning for about 30 minutes We talk about political correctness and the fear to talk about certain topics and I end up talking about certain topics Adam apologizes. Adam actually apologizes to someone that he offended on a previous episode. Believe it or not. Yeah, it was amazing. We talk about Adam's mom. And when do we not? We always talk, and we also talk about my outing with my ex-wife and her boyfriend and Lastly, Justin talks about his bearded dragon. What are we talking about when we say that? You'll have to listen that's right to figure it out. Then we get into the questions We discuss how to last longer in bed because of course we're experts on every single subject including fitness Yeah, we like to tackle stuff like that We also talk about how you would compete train and eat if you were natural versus if you were on anabolic steroids Does that even make a difference? Then we talk about does it matter what time you eat? Does nutrient timing really make a difference in your fitness and health goals and lastly we talk about how you should start a Podcast like mine pump if you were so inclined we give you guys advice You want to do what we're doing? We tell you how and this upcoming episode of mine pump Also our summer starter pack is still available. It includes maps anabolic the nutrition and fasting guide maps prime and Access to our forum. What we do is we took all those things and we discounted them by over 50% off It's the perfect way to get started. It's ready set go It's like turn key ready to go like hey, let's let's do this Oh, it's everything you need and the forum access that way We can kind of help you along the way along with our community now You can find the summer starter pack at mine pump media comm Yeah, why don't why don't you why don't you you want me to go my yeah, you have Mine small like yours is gonna be bigger. No, no, there's nothing. It's not big It's just a it happened to me this weekend What but tell me what's no the episode that we released? I think it was what 526 or whatever We're talking about like cult leaders and whatever and oh, that's right. I made it And I got some messages because I said some controversial shit like I said that how historically You know men have been We've been leaders culturally right like the tribe leader or the you know president or whatever and how there's been studies done and When men went today like modern times when men and women are questioned Whether or not they'd rather work for a man or a female or a woman In terms of their boss that men and women would prefer to work for a man Actually, in fact, I read one article Let's see if I can find it were actually more women than men actually said they prefer to work for a man And I was speculating that there may be there's definitely cultural reasons for it definitely societal reasons for it, but there also may be some biological and evolutionary reasons for it and You know man people don't like that. I said that some people don't like it because you know, I'll tell you what what makes me angry Because like I definitely don't think I'm Someone so that's sexist even say and whatever. Oh god. Yeah, which is stupid if anybody that knows me I mean you look at the women like I look at my girlfriend for example one of the things I love most about her Even my ex-wife. I love very strong independent people. I love to be challenged I and I also I have a daughter and I don't even I've heard people say things like encourage your girls to do You know science and to do math because there's and I feel like that's even I feel like that might even be condescending patronizing you know, it's it's it's I don't there's no difference for me one way or the other and anybody who knows me will tell you that I don't I don't That I'm not sexist in the slightest, but nonetheless what makes me upset is That there's subjects that have become you can't talk about that you can't talk about certain subjects at all You can't even discuss them objectively because They've been politicized like politics has come in and has and that's what politics does very well And I want people to I hope people understand this that politics in Western societies, especially in America is you know, it's a trillion-dollar business not a billion dollars probably a trillion-dollar business and most of the money goes into manipulating people into believing in voting certain ways and what they'll do is they'll take topics and They'll make them political so much so that even bringing it up will people will assume that you're either a conservative or a liberal or Even bringing it up people will say you're sexist racist You're an idiot whatever like like for example climate change is one of them like I know people right now like oh Like there's there are actual scientists who are and whether you disagree or agree with them There are actual scientists who are trying to debate whether or not human actions are Making these huge changes in the client climate and whether or not they're as big of a deal as some people would say That's all they're saying but oh boy if you just say that like you're awesome You can't even talk about it Or if someone does a study on the differences between men and women or boys and girls like People get really upset about it like you can't even talk about so economics is another one This is what really makes me laugh like economics is kind of a science It's like you look at it and you see supply demand this works that doesn't work But it's so politicized that even arguing like if I were to come out and say hey, maybe Maybe this Particular program this particular program that we have for the city Let's say we we put a program together where we're putting money towards after-school programs for inner-city kids, right? And if I were to come out and say hey, let's examine the numbers and see if this is Doing anything beneficial just saying that people would get pissed off like are you against kids? Are you against these poor kids? And so it just makes me angry that people can't even Discuss because I I don't like if you could have the most wrong idea in the world and it can be Sexist or racist or horrible, but I'd like to hear it right so that I can shut you down Intellectually or so at least maybe we can change your mind, but like Trying to like shut down Conversation before it even starts or the fact that people are scared to say things is crazy to me like let's just Another one is like like and here's an easy one that I know everybody will agree on. That's why I'm gonna bring it up Scientists have a very tough time studying Certain drugs they can't for the longest time like scientists could not study LSD or psilocybin or marijuana or you know these types of substances They couldn't even study them taboo because they were they were politicized so strongly that Someone can't I mean you can study anthrax and Ebola like you can literally as a scientist you get the right clear It's easier to get your hands on Ebola Then it is for a long time then it was to get funding for a study on LSD to see if it benefits people with you know Trauma or something like that and that's starting to change, but it was just an example So yeah, that was the controversy I had this weekend was that where people hit you up I got a couple messages and then one of our foreign members, you know was like, you know You shouldn't even you know entertain the idea that there may be a biological difference between men and women Because it's so dangerous. I'm like no actually I think it's dangerous to be scared to even talk about anything right because Then we don't know what the answer is and let's just say for especially the way you the way you presented I mean, that's the one thing one of the things that I think is so great about When you share information like that is I your delivery. I think is is really well I mean and I know sometimes you talk in certainties about stuff But typically it's the stuff that's more in our wheelhouse like when it's fitness related and we are certain about it But then when we're speculating you always preface before you say anything you say, you know Hey, this could be this and it could be that what the fuck is wrong with that? Well, it could be true. It could be wrong, too But when you say it like that, I think you you set the table well for that. I'll give you another example I'm about to just I'm just gonna dance on the third rail right now I'm gonna just lay on top of it, right? Yeah, I just saw an article. I need to pull it up or I think it's in New Zealand a transgender female one a weightlifting competition like blew away her opponents and I think I'm saying it right transgender female means she was born a man and yeah, I mean transition yeah woman and It's become politicized to the point where if you say She may have a gene like an advantage like a major advantage because she was born a man And went through puberty as a man. You are now labeled Intolerant, you know a bigot and oh you're probably a conservative and the other side You have to if you're liberal, you know, you have to agree with the fact that no, it doesn't matter We're all you know, she's a transgender female So she should be able to compete and all I think that's silly like let's first of all Let's discuss it and not call each other names and make it political and let's also use our like hard science like I She went through puberty as a man Probably has an advantage. That's my that's my strong strong strong opinion and It could be wrong, but it's my strong opinion and why can't we say that like why can't we talk about that? Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong But and I'm not being a bigot at all. I could care I could care less. I've you know, it's just like we should be Yeah, you were born as a man you went through It's crazy how much you have to dance around the wording if you've been presenting that dude because it's just like It's well, I'll tell you what look at differences There was like it's not like a big deal like there's differences between men and women And if you don't want to admit that then that's you know, that's foreign to me So I understand like how we can like we're getting to this point where everything's so homogenized Why can't we be different like what's wrong with that? Because like again, it's if you say we're different and there may be a biological reason for it Yeah, you can be labeled you know, like I said sexist or a bigot or You're ostracized, you know I'm saying yes, which is and here's the interesting thing to me like you know Feminists stand up very strongly for the rights of women and which I think is awesome. Yeah, but in cases like this They're silent, which is weird to me. I don't if I was a woman I would be like wait a minute. What about those women who are competing against this transgender female and There's a lot of science that says that they may have a genetic advantage Why aren't we standing? I don't know. It's very strange to me how how people are so silenced. That's anything It's more they don't know. They don't know what to say or to get more confused It's like crickets. It's part of the reason why I stay away from the goddamn I know much I can't it's so you're not gonna get anywhere with it I feel like anytime I've ever tried to talk about it. Okay. Oh, I end up stepping all over my own fucking tongue You know I'm saying it's just like I don't give a fuck what anybody does with their body be to each their own When it comes to competitive sports like that, it's just that's where it gets a little interesting Well, it just it it seems to it seems to me that like however you were born So whatever you do from there, that's totally up to you like, you know to each their own Like I said, I think that's totally fine But as far as playing competitive sports, I think that you would have to fall under however you were born I just feel like that's Only fair or or you're not that much different than the athlete who's competing with steroids or taking that then if that's the case Then let them do all that too Like if you if if hormones don't play a role or a factor in an advantage then Then then all the women and men should be able to take testosterone steroids and then whatever, you know So, I mean, I know okay. My position is I definitely think there's an advantage. I think if uh, uh a boy Is stopped from going through puberty And you know transitions then as a a female then I think that that advantage might disappear But I think if they go through puberty, even if you change the hormones and all over high, you know lots of testosterone I still think there's an advantage and I'll tell you what I don't see too many Transgender males winning competitions like you don't see the opposite too much or like a woman transitions to a man And then wins a weightlifting competition. There was that one MMA athlete Uh, who was a transgender female who's in the cage beating the fuck out of You know other female competitors like that was kind of a debate, but the people who even argued against that were like Hammered like how dare you bring that up as a potential? So I don't know to me. It's just like let's talk about it. Fuck Mind pumps ruffling some feathers this week man, not even by on purpose either. I didn't even see that coming I didn't see you know all so what happened with you So I I walk in the gym yesterday. I I was at uh gold's earlets cut now called american barbell I I was down there and right into one of our buddies who remain nameless just because I don't want to get myself in any More trouble than I already have and uh, you know him and I are chopping it up. We're talking. He's like, hey, man I was over at uh Tori's gym yesterday and he's like He said and I was wearing my mind pump shirt and he walked up to me right away It was just like what the fuck's up with that. I'm talking shit, man And I was like And he goes what did you do bro? And I'm like what it just it didn't dawn on me I forgot that we had just did that episode and that's what I don't know if you saw on the forum I asked the form the one where you said that he was doing too much cardio or something Yeah, so and so I I do want to make a formal apology Because I did go I did go but well, yeah, I wouldn't call us like friends like we don't hang out I've never until you spend the night at my house I don't I never consider you that much of a friendly We haven't if I haven't spent the night at your house. You haven't spent that at my house Like we're just acquaintances have sleep over a long time ago Yeah, so once you've slept over one time, we're now considered like friends, right? Then he rubs your ear you guys have both has spent the night at my house at least once in your life So we are now officially like real friends. Not just acquaintances or co-workers, right? So Doug still got to spend the night. Oh, you want to see your morning together? So it doesn't matter, right? So you gotta spend the night together to me. That's just that's what forges a true friendship So at this point, we're just good acquaintances, right? You know, we both compete. We're both ifbb pros men's physique guys And I got nothing but good things to say about the guy and I feel bad because the only reason why it popped in my head was somebody was asking a question about I don't remember the question was it was related to Bill oh your body burning muscle Oh doing too much cardio and us talking about the the real science on how that works that our body is actually Adapting to be more efficient at running all the time. It's not literally eating up and burning muscle and we were talking about that Well, I just that morning had tuned into his insta story And I you know, I follow what he's doing. I see his new gym and stuff like that And I think it looks fucking awesome super happy excited for what they're what he's doing over there He actually owns a gym. Yeah, a really nice one. In fact, and I've been meaning to reach out and actually Go over there and check it out. It's beautiful. He just finished it and opened it up Is it all cardio? I'm trying to do a Throwing jazz right now. I don't know. I don't even know him. I didn't really start over So I listened to it right and you know, I didn't need where where I went too far was I referred to him as a cardio queen So that was inappropriate. So I apologize Because that's an insult right that wasn't it wasn't intended to say that it flew out of my mouth because I have no fucking filter Uh, the the reason why it did though is I had just been recently following his journey And he does a lot he does a ton of cardio and he's known for that and you know, he shares on his insta story So if you put it out there all time like I mean, fuck you should be able to talk about it Right like he's doing cardio three times a day, you know, and it's they're 20 minutes about so whatever public domain But the point is he has this really lean incredible physique and you know For guys that are in men's physique or bodybuilding or wanting to build more and get bigger I wanted I was just using him as an example because I know he has a large page So I apologize for the cardio queen statement I didn't mean to like it was not meant to be a slide or a jab whatsoever So I didn't need to go that far and say that but I I do stand by my statement that that's that's a fact if you continue to do Lots of cardio like that. That's what's going to happen, right? You're not going to be out your body Is you're telling your body? It's not advantageous for it to have a bunch of bulky muscle on it Well, because you're running all the fucking time So the point is that I was just trying to use that as an is that as that as an example and not trying to knock the dude And what he's doing so but I guess he walked up to our boy And said like what the fuck what did I do to adam? Like why is he calling me out like that? And I was like, oh shit Well, he obviously you obviously respect the guy because I think for you to even apologize Is a big deal. Yeah, one doesn't do that. No, he doesn't unless he actually means it Because if you didn't mean it you what you would end up doing is doing a whole episode on why Well, I didn't I mean it's true, right? Yeah, well, I respect that he didn't I respect that he didn't fire because this is the way I envision it probably played out because this is what happens in With people right people he I bet he doesn't even listen to the show that much if ever I'm sure somebody who does listen to the show Saw an opportunity to walk over and start shit and be like, hey Do you hear a mine pump atom fucking talk shit about you on a show? And I bet he probably didn't even go and listen I bet he probably just soon as he saw an opportunity to Talk to one of our mutual friends said something and knowing that it probably get back to me and I'm like You know, it wasn't like I was talking shit. I'm not, you know, if I was going to do that You would know, you know, and you would feel it for sure get tagged You know, you know what though? I mean, it's true because uh, the science is demonstrating now You do lots of activity all the time consistently Your metabolic rate starts to adapt to the and slows down And we talked about this in that episode where they they studied these hunter-gatherer societies that exist today And they were blown away that these hunter-gatherers metabolic rates Or at least they weren't burning more calories in the average sedentary person Which to them was like how the hell is that even possible? But it's an evolutionary trait So yeah doing shit tons of cardio all the time It'll do that doesn't mean you're not going to get health benefits Yeah, and it doesn't mean to you know, I also want to point out because there there are examples of guys I know that you know run like crazy and are still pretty big I mean genetic genetics still play the first role right the biggest Yeah, there's still the big role But what what I have found is when you're a body type already If you struggle to build muscle like my frame like I have leaning out it's very easy Like I have that you know, I know we talk semantotypes don't really exist anymore But for just for argument's sakes we'll say, you know, I'm an ectomorph body type, right? So it's very easy for me to lean out I get on the treadmill and it like just falls right off of me. My body wants to be that I've been fighting my whole life to be a bigger guy. So with somebody who's like that if you're that person This is is a very important thing to pick up on and learn now if you're the opposite It's totally different like right if you're somebody who You know, it just holds on to muscle and you can build really easy and it's tough for you to lean out The opposite is true here, right? It's maybe someone like that Like and I only use the the man because he has a similar body type I know he has an ectomorph body type like mine And that's an example of somebody who doesn't need to do that as much because Their body already will go that way really easy. In fact, it's probably more of a struggle I'm sure if you were to ask him openly and if you were to be candid about it Would tell you that you know building and putting size on is probably more of a struggle Just like it is for me. It's tougher for us to be a bigger bigger guy We should make a trip down to his gym. Check it off. It's a new jay. Is it in the area? If yeah, if we're still We're still uh, yeah, so I You know, I I fuck you guys I you know, I had a couple people listen to it and then tell me I said listen if let me know if I came off that way or you felt that way because I'll definitely Reach out to him and write a formal apology to him if it came off that way because I was not Intending it to be that and then they everybody confirmed like no, dude You weren't a dick if they know you you could be a total dick like he wanted You know, you know, you're a dick when that's when that's the statement like well, it came off dickish, but knowing you It was really nice. Yeah. Yeah, you're a new friend. Yeah. No, that's uh, what did you guys do anything this week? Anything different? Yeah, yeah, did you I had my mom's boyfriend. Oh, that's right made a visit to me Oh, wait a minute. Does she know anything yet? I don't know Maybe you shouldn't say this Yeah, dude, she finds out through mine pump. Well, I don't think it was like a big formal secret anyways, and if it does it's whatever, you know Yeah, no, I don't think it was it was it was it was I asked him I said, you know, is have you guys talked about this? Is it like gonna be he's like, oh, yeah No, no, we would discuss it. I just wanted to come down talk to you So first of all, uh, you know, my mom is uh got a new boyfriend They've been dating for about three months or so I had lunch with him Maybe like a month or so ago got to know him real nice guy Uh, and then like last week he slid in my dms And I was just like well at first I like had a check and see who it was I'm like, who is this and I was like, oh, shit. That's Lonnie my mom's new boyfriend and he he says, hey, you know, I'd love to You know chat with you when you get a chance and uh sent me over a cell number And so I called him like a couple days later And said, hey man, what's up talk to me And he's like, oh You know, I was kind of thinking we could do this in person. I was like, oh Okay. Yeah. No, that's cool. What are you thinking? And so we I said, you know, saturday, I'm going to be around. I got Katrina's family's got a Wedding thing we're doing we're going to be there all day at her mom's house Just come stop by say hi or whatever and he's like, all right cool I'm in I'm going to be in the bay area around that time anyways So he rolls up And he gets there and you know right away. I kind of have an idea though like what's going on I'm like, this is just kind of different that he's reaching out that way I'm like, I and I knew that they are they're talking about moving in with each other this this summer And so I'm like, oh, I bet like he's going to probably propose my mom before they they move in together And sure enough, that's what it was. He came down to Uh, kind of I guess get my blessing on that. Yeah, which I I think is cool, dude No, I I think because here's the thing. It's a lost art dude. It's a lost art that you know men um, you know, they don't go by this sort of old school kind of uh, like courting process or like even just like getting the respect Giving the respect like so I went through this whole process when I was like gonna ask for you know, the blessing for to to mary courtney and uh, you know, it's just one of those things that like You don't think is a big deal But then when you're on the other end of that, you know, like yeah, like it's it's just cool Right, you know, so it's uh, I'm sure he's dead, bro And I feel like that, you know, you don't see it often and when someone does it I thought that was cool um You know, my mom doesn't, you know, obviously speak to her father and that so I'm you know to have him It's different being the kid, you know, like I'm the son, right? So yeah, yeah Yeah, but you're the you're definitely the patriarch of the family. So that's why he came to you Yeah, and I thought that was I felt like that and for him to recognize that that early on in their relationship And to do that. I thought that was pretty cool. And I uh, Had a lot of respect. We had a great talk man I I shared with them just to give him a heads up that you know, how crazy my mother was and said, you know just Look out you're you're winning so much lately on these episodes Why everybody stop listening to it Justin, you can't say anything controversial I'm thinking about it But what can I say that's gonna peace people out he uh, he was great, man And actually um, all the things that like concerned me that I thought maybe uh, he would have a hard time with my mom I thought like man, I they've already kind of handled that in the first three months They were dating and I was like, you know what this dude's going to be really good for my mom I think there's a I think they compliment each other Compliment each other really well, and I think he's a good guy and I I have a lot of respect for him for doing that So I thought that was pretty awesome. So good deal. Congratulations. Yeah, congratulations to my mother if she even listened Cats out of the bag Oh, by the way, he's proposing tomorrow Ring and everything I had I had an interesting thing happen this weekend So my daughter had her recital. Mm-hmm. So I remember I told you guys I was taking her to her dance Her dance recital. So right we go there and um, first of all, I get real emotional when my kids do anything And I mean anything it doesn't have to be I could see you know, why we laugh because we can we can see it. Oh, it can be it can be anything It doesn't even have to be that spectacular Totally I'm sitting there and I'm just watching and she comes up and I'm like I'm fucking sweating because I'm so excited and like And she was just just shaking her little booty up there and dancing and she was totally into it She did so well And I definitely shed a few tears and my girlfriend gives me a a hug and a pat on the back and which made me feel even Dumber You know what I'm saying? Here's the tissues. Yeah, but so this was the first time This was the very first time that me and my girlfriend Hung out not really hung out, but we're with My ex-wife and her boyfriend. Oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, you did not share this with us. Yeah, so she brought Making she brought her boyfriend and I had now. Did you know this going into it? Yeah. Okay. So you do I encourage it. Here's the thing. Here's the difference between me and my ex. I am not awkward around her boyfriend Because I says says you right. I'm not I mean You know what I walk up to the guy. I'm sure he's more awkward. I I shake because he seems pretty cool He seems like a nice guy. Yeah, I don't have any problem with him being around my kids. He's a cool guy I mean, if he wasn't he would know right away. Yeah, but he's a he seems fine Uh, you know, I walk up to him. I give him, you know, I shake his hand I have conversation with him What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to show my kids because here's what happened that I noticed Here's what I noticed with my children that I pick up on is that When you're a kid and your dad or your mom has a boyfriend They even if they like the person Like my like my girlfriend's so amazing with my children right my kids love her, but I could see in the beginning how they felt like Could they tell her that they really liked her and could they really have a lot of fun with her because they felt like Maybe they were portraying their mom. You see what I'm saying But if they saw that their mom was really cool with my girlfriend and they were friends Then they wouldn't have this This thought in their mind the stress, you know, I mean that oh Here's this other it's not a competition like no one's ever going to replace their mother Just like no one's ever going to replace their father And so I want my kids to see me be cool with this guy Who is sees them sometimes so that if they end up, you know having like I don't want them to be Rebellious towards him because they feel like they're honoring me like that'll cause problems And if he's a cool guy and he brings value into their life, like that's great. That's a great thing So it was an opportunity to kind of to try and do that like I was like to forge this Yeah, I want everybody to see but it was still kind of awkward like my ex isn't very she's not uh, she She tries a little bit but she has a little bit more of an issue With it than I do maybe because my girlfriend is around my kids more than her boyfriend is So it's maybe doesn't feel balanced. I don't know but um, I thought it was pretty cool You know my parents were there. So my parents got to meet so my ex's boyfriend back up a little bit though So what do you mean by that? Did she like get uh Did she get awkward like like a handshake or hug? What did you like go in like for something like that? Like just our surface conversation. You just it's a nice day out here, right? The clouds they look, uh, fluffy You can just feel it. I'm in a group hug everybody. Yeah You can just feel the the energy is just a little bit awkward. You know, I mean, which is totally totally understandable I'm not saying you totally understandable Um, but I'm trying to talk her into like doing something all of us together like for the kids Like a foursome. Oh, yeah, like no Adam takes it there I'm cool. Dude, you guys are doing serious adult stuff this weekend. I was not I saw you. I saw your poor core in the woods. Oh, bro. I was I was having a great time Just just jumping and kicking rocks and you know throwing logs and all that stuff with my kids We actually went to the pet store and we bought a bearded dragon. So Yeah, I got them that that's cost more than having a dog By the way, isn't bearded dragon like a slang term for vagina? No, it's a lizard. Is it? Well, I know it's a little awesome, but I thought you could I thought you some people would say that I have a bearded dragon come visit my bearded dragon Is that just me how big is he right now? He's just he's small. They get big though. They get big. Yeah, real big I found them like 15 crickets and like just you know, it's fun to watch him like inhale these things Now, what do you do when he gets old and dies? Do you make him into like a belt or something? Probably shoes I just got them. They live a long time. Don't they? I think so a long time. Yeah. Yeah, it's like 500 years or something The kids love them though My youngest I worry about him because he's like he's kind of like uh, Lenny from of mice and men Say what's the killer? I'm just like no, don't squeeze. Don't squeeze Like you have to open palm like that's the rule with him So he doesn't Because he's done that with like, uh, you know, bluebelly lizard. He's like I caught one dad. I caught one It's not moving. He's like shaking it He's grip is tight And he's only four years old. I'm like, oh no So yeah, I have to I have to regulate a little bit with that But they took off for san diego and so now I get to you know, take care of the the lizard Wait a minute right now. You're alone. Mm-hmm at home. Yeah. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, pornhub and chips And pizza Get the tissues out Yeah, oh god Actually, we should sleep over dude. You sleep over my house or at himself. Oh, fuck you guys. Yeah, I will enjoy myself by myself Now do you do you share with your wife? How much you enjoy that because I feel guilty when I tell katrina because she's the opposite She's like when she leaves you're like, yes You know, I can't say that because I I just I've you know I don't know if it was being a single guy for as long as I was But I just something about having a whole bed to myself and spreading my legs out even if it's just one night You know, it's like, oh wow this is different Yeah, it's partially why I love staying in like hotels I love going to like a real fancy hotel and have a big giant bed with all kinds of fluffy pillows and all of myself Like oh, yeah, like a starfish. I don't like being alone at all. Oh, wow. Well, not I mean that that I hate it You're a major spooner. That's why it's true. You know firsthand. I I don't um I mean, I'm okay with it. It's all good But I I enjoy being around people so much that like if I were alone for a while I'd end up inviting someone over and be like, hey come sleep over Well, I could see that because when I had my when I had my place I remember you must have had did you have people over all the time? Well, you know, I went through phases, right? So I had it was a three-bedroom, right? And I had at one point I had both rooms rented out and then I realized I didn't like that that was just too much chaos in my own house So I was like, okay, we'll get rid of that. So then I always had like one roommate and then I went through a phase I was like, you know what? Fuck this. I don't need anybody to rent from me I'm gonna like I just want the place to myself and for I think for like two years straight I had just house myself. It was a bit lonely then So the my favorite was when it was like my best friend, you know, written a room in there It was him and I and he was busy and had his thing going but then I still once a while you see each other Yeah, yeah, so we still had we I still had somebody around because otherwise a house just feels really like Lonely when you're all by yourself all the time But there there's some purse to it. I mean, I'd vacuum naked and shit and fucking My kids hate it. Yeah, I'm sure they do Put the beer to drag it away. All right, let's let's bring on the bird Today's quads being brought to you by chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the chimera link at mind pump media.com and input the discount code Mind pump a check out for 10% off It's the motherfucking quads The eagle has landed Our first question is from jc martinez 96. This is a serious question. How do you last longer in bed? Oh jc usually Finishes really quick with his girlfriend and is frustrated Because he wishes he could go longer and did not have to stop when she is starting to enjoy it Dang Well, let me tell you this is like the this is like old mind age old battle I feel like this is old mind pump time question. I was like, you know what? We need to bring some I love this question follow my method and I guarantee you last 120 seconds Yeah, no so something disgusting. Oh no, so You can definitely train yourself to last longer Um, one of the one of the most effective ways to do it Believe it or not besides, you know thinking of shit while you're having sex to try and keep yourself from right going over. Yeah is When you masturbate, this is legit. I thought of roseanne bar singing the national anthem That's always good for me. I almost I almost finished What this is true now, uh, this is actually a technique you can you can utilize when you masturbate Bring yourself to the brink of orgasm, but don't let yourself orgasm allow yourself to come down a little bit and then Get back, you know masturbate more bring yourself to the brink come back down and you do this five or six times in a row to train yourself to Control that feeling. This is actually a legit technique That I read about some people actually enjoy masturbating this way. Anyway But a recent study Confirmation, but I that's one of the techniques to It's dying over there Because he saw you pointed yourself. That's why Who's got two thumbs and likes that technique? What are you guys talking about this guy? Uh, but it's a technique that's actually uh, if you go to like a sex therapist or whatever, um, they'll actually Try and teach you this technique uh to do this also, um Having believe it or not things like, uh stress and the anxiety around it will actually cause it to happen sometimes so Sometimes what'll happen with men is that they'll have so much anxiety over finishing Too quickly that one of two things will happen. They'll either a finish quickly or b They'll have issues with erection. So they'll go the opposite Because they're so anxious about it. It's like when you're teeing off for golf and you're like, don't hit it in the water Don't hit in the water and you hit in the water. Yeah, I mean Here's something you could do right now like talk to your girlfriend about it and tell her say baby listen I I get too excited. I want to finish too soon. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna let you know When I need to stop but I'm gonna keep doing stuff to you While I try to recuperate And then we'll do this back and forth type of thing and I don't even think she'll mind she'll probably like that You know I'm saying no that might even be something she enjoys. Of course. That's I think that's the Okay, so I got a little mind pump gives advice on shit. That's not fitness related. Well, it's uh, So I gotta do a disclaimer with mine too. I don't know how we do this, Doug But um, try sheepskin condoms. Yeah, so yeah disclaimer first on this. I'm not recommending this I'm just gonna tell you what I used to do So you get a really small rubber band That's somewhat works actually uh, so Uh, one muscle relaxer two beers and two puffs off of marijuana. Oh my god So Well, if I'm being honest, right if we're gonna be keep shit real here And I'll tell you what it not only it works so well that honey plug your ears here because she's not gonna like this one This is like taking me all the way back to the probably the second or third girl that I ever ever slept with She was uh, she was 30 and I was only like 20 21 years old And uh, you know, I had I had figured this formula I figured this formula out by accident It was just by accident that the everything had come together right here Like I remember I was training hard and I had just happened to take a muscle relaxer We also decided to go out this is your again your personal story. Yeah, don't do that. That's the disclaimer, right? Someone dying I'm not recommending this to anybody because of course most those bottles say do not drink with alcohol doing those things like that So I'm just just gonna just gonna put it out there that this was standing by This was something that uh, I did And and I do want to preface this with this, uh I think if you are with your girlfriend and you guys have been together for a long time And this is still happening. This is a very awesome thing. So that's awesome that you can still Uh, like just go that I mean, I know you're trying to please your girl But that's awesome that you are that hyped to have sex with the same girl You've been probably been having sex with for quite some time So that's an awesome trait to have first of all but I get the idea of want to do that and I remember being 20 21 years old and I always dated or hooked up with older women And you don't want to be the 20 year old boy who like, you know, as soon as she touches you you Orgasm, right? So yeah, but when you're 20 you just go again, right? Yeah. Well, yes and no, I mean so Or or or or you I did, you know, I took a muscle relaxer two beers and then two hits off of a joint So that was kind of my Uh recipe for a good three to four hour session and oh my god It was uh, the the muscle relaxer obviously relaxes your muscles It actually it kind of numbs you down there And then the one to two beers also and you got to be careful because uh, you could go too much of all of that Like you don't there there is a fine line like and I definitely flirted with all that I thought like, oh, okay. Well if that made me go for like three hours What if I did two of those and three of this and four hits or what? And so I found a sweet spot for myself that that was I could still orgasm But then it would be like these hour-long plus sessions And that was like magical if I overdid it it would be terrible because then I would end up having sex for like four hours And I couldn't come so there's definitely like a fine line here Of not to mention just in their sore. Well, there's also there's also things like you can go to uh sex shops have these Uh, you can spray your dick with this this numbing like a spermicide or something It's a numbing cream. So you you know, once you get hard and I've used this too I've tried everything dude. So this is this is actually in my wheelhouse here. So if you uh, if you if you spray your dick I feel like it's one of our first steps to spray your dick It does remember I know you guys are making fun of me right now But I'd tell you this uh, this was a thing and I'm sure at his age This is the shit that's going through your head like, you know, I got a woman that's beautiful It's hot and I don't want to be a one pump chump. I don't want to I want to be able I want her to go home and tell her girlfriends like I just had the best sex in my life with my man And guys take a lot of pride in that now what happens if you spray the desensitizer on yourself and then you have sex What if she gets desensitized too then? Well, so that that's the downfall of something like that So what you do is you'd actually put a condom on out over it So you would spray it then you put a condom over and then you would do that So, oh, I see that it but I learned the hard way what you're saying right now the hard way literally right So no planning 10 in there Yeah, so those were some of the the methods that I used but I was sell I think the older version of me would revert to this because I don't I don't Condone you doing all the drugs and things that I'm saying now Now I would what I would do is right before and I still do this to this day with my girl Is that you know when I'm about to come and if I'm wanting to give her the night of her life I would just I stop whatever I'm in the middle of doing that's about to make me come And then I spend the rest of that time on her And pleasing her and then while I think that's the best that's the advice Yeah, I mean that's that's that's the that's the the pc advice and I think that's fair but um, I also think for her I mean I think for the woman Shit, she probably would really enjoy that you know what I'm saying. I don't see any I can't see how a woman would be like Oh, what you want to go down on me now. That's horrible. Yeah, you know unless you're bad at it Justin, how about you? What's just what's your advice more practice my man more practice Yeah, I'll just take more take more swings, huh? Yeah. Yeah more reps Yeah, that's that's fair enough to you get through the honeymoon stage. Yeah That's what I'm wondering how long they've been together, but I'm I'm pretty sure our boy's been with her for a while Right. I think he's he's a long time former member and mp family. Like I think they've been together. Yeah, do you guys know? I don't know you guys don't know you guys know what that is, right? Yeah, I know it is Yeah, I I think they've been together for a while I don't know you have to let us know because if obviously if it's really fresh and new dude It's tough for everybody. Well, they do. I mean they do have con. I don't know They have condoms for that like the same thing you're talking about where it like desensitizes you a bit So, you know, like I don't know. I I was never big on on the condom thing Justin has the old heard about it. Justin has the old school approach where it's like This is a race, honey. And if I get there first, that's your fucking fault You know what? Oh, hey, bro, you know what's something to handle my business We're such we're such idiots, too. You know what else is like what we'd even say about this is Like Lengthen your foreplay like spend a lot of time having foreplay because maybe she'll work Really advanced with tools. That's what you said. I mean, that's pretty much If you're if you're not if you're having sex and then you're about to come and you pull out and you do something else That's foreplay is what you're doing. So Foreplay is definitely the which I mean, that's a to me. That's a no brainer to me. That's the I don't know about you guys That's the most enjoyable. I mean, I enjoy that more than anything. It's a whole fun pregame it Yeah, no to this to this day. That's how I have sex with Katrina is that we are Foreplaying for a majority of the time, which is, you know, good 45 minutes an hour than the last Whatever bit is to having sex and then the orgasm part. It's what it's like now having kids in the house. Justin Yeah an hour, but then they're too sore to walk Okay Like 20 minutes Doug Doug bring us the next question I think it's time for the next question All right. Next question is from young gains fitness If you competed as a natural, how would this affect your training slash nutrition? Compared to being on anabolic So they're asking What would be the difference in your training and nutrition natural versus being on anabolic steroids a little bit different But very little. Yeah, you know, what's interesting about this The reason why you see such a difference sometimes is mainly because you get away with more Yeah, that's exactly when you're on anabolic. So you tend to progress in spite of the mistakes that you make I think What works best for you as a natural? Would also work best for you while you're on the ball To me, it's a that's a no brand the the reason why and the only reason why it would be different is that a pure laziness to be Honest if I'm taking a bunch of anabolics I know I can get away with having some shittier food in the diet I know that I can get away with overtraining myself a bit like I know I can get away with some of those things But if you're if you are if you've learned and this is also why anybody who hired me To help them get ready for a show and they wanted to know about, you know gear and steroids anabolics What should I take? I wanted them always to take themselves to the best shape of their lives naturally first Before they even considered that because once you had those tools and you could do that If you applied that with anabolics and it was like a whole another level for you versus You taking the anabolics and then kind of like you're inconsistent with your diet and you kind of over train You don't really focus on your programming very well And you still can get in pretty good shape as long as you're consistent with your training, right? Yeah, I see a lot of people Who will get on anabolics and train and whatever and they'll see results And then when they stop seeing results the first thing that they do is they increase the dosage of their anabolics or the change Their drugs. Yep, rather than looking at the training nutrition and so becomes all about The anabolics that they're on and the drawback to that is you never really learn what works really great for you And this is one of the reasons why I'll I know people who've took taken anabolics For a while and we'll go off of them And then they they have horrible results and they think it's because they have terrible genes and that they need to Be on anabolics and have had discussions with friends and said look the reason why Your body's progressing so horribly now Is because you're you never really learned how to train your body properly You're still doing the same stuff that you got away with before But you can't get away with it now There are some things with nutrition where you might benefit from Changing a little bit by being on anabolic on anabolics. One of those is increased protein intake. I think Being on anabolics actually know it does demonstrate studies will show that being on anabolics will increase The rate that you can utilize protein. So well, I think just in general Both not just protein but calories carbs protein just anabolic. Yeah, because you're anabolic 24 7 That's the difference right the difference is, you know, your body is and what that means your anabolic is Your body is prime to build muscle. It's you're sending when you take something synthetic like that You have a around the clock signal that's saying your body wants to build muscle. So If you have that signal all the time You overfeeding a lot of that overfeeding will go to building muscle So that's the beauty of that is you it's actually really tough to Overfeed when you're on anabolics and that's the reason why you see a lot of these meat heads When they train and they're bulking or building They're just fucking eating everything inside because they can because all that extra shit that would normally make a natural person get fat A lot of that is going to building muscle for them because they're anabolic 24 7 But that doesn't mean that if that person actually took the same principles the natural the guy who's natural The same diet and training principles and applied that with anabolics He would be in a far better place the ideal situation is to train exactly like you would if you're natural Right because then then you get and get the benefits from that and the enhancement the anabolics provide To that regimen because you Then a lot of times like correct me if i'm wrong like most of the anabolic athletes will train Uh, we'll gain in spite of their poor training habits. Yeah, I mean I guess and and honestly It's the same rule like and what Justin's talking about train the same as follow the same principles Obviously your training is not going to be the same because you're probably going to be stronger You'll probably have a faster recovery ability. Yeah, maybe able to play with intensity a little differently But follow the same principles. This is look if you look at pro bodybuilders Some of the best pro bodybuilders of all time Were natural for a long time before like like kai green ronnie colman Like those guys competed as naturals which meant either a they were natural to be they took very low doses But look at ronnie colman There was a year where He because people don't realize this ronnie colman was a pro bodybuilder for a long time before he became mr Olympia and never really ever cracked the top 10 He was impressive, but he wasn't a top 10 bodybuilder and then one year This was the year i believe uh durian yates wasn't going to compete So the mr. Olympia was up for grabs and everybody thought i think flex wheeler i thought everybody thought he was gonna win Ronnie colman hits the stage And he looked crazy Like all of a sudden he decided to get on a shit ton of gear and he'd already been competing for a long time And the difference was Ridiculous and he destroyed everybody destroyed the competition until this day I think ronnie colman is one of the most dominant bodybuilders of all time In fact, my opinion if he hits the stage If if if colman and his best hit the stage now nobody could touch him still well you yeah, absolutely because it's size I mean he's size conditioning. I mean the guy was just everything right? Yeah, no he had But he looked crazy when he competed as a natural and again I don't know if he was natural, but he was definitely on less stuff But even then he looked crazy his back his wheels everything was yeah, the only I wouldn't you know I would being a guy who's trained his body several times in both both worlds when i'm on antibiotics I'm training uh, i'm increasing my volume at a faster rate Okay, so that you know where now like i'm a little more strategic about increasing volume In fact, I kind of lean more on the less is more type of deal where when i'm on antibiotics I kind of flirt more with uh, oh that's probably a little more than I needed but that's okay because i'm on gear I'm going to probably recover fast enough to be okay So that's really the difference with the training and then the nutrition is you know, uh, I get to be lazy I don't have to be so dialed about my food It's just like as long as I hit my main targets I can over consume and I don't have to worry about a lot of that going to fat in fact A lot of it will end up packing more muscle on but I definitely think this is also the trap that a lot of guys that Utilize steroids as their only weight or their their main way to get them in the best shape of their lives is they now attach that To the steroid and they think it's it's that and a lot of it is that for them because You know, they're getting in good shape despite all their poor training They're they're poor programming and they're poor nutritional and one piece of advice Uh, if you're on because I've seen this happen too I've seen people go on gear for the first time and then all of a sudden Dramatically increase their volume and their intensity because they're like, oh, I'm on steroids I gotta I gotta ramp everything way up and they barely gain muscle because they went into overtraining Just because you can doesn't mean you should remember that so if you get on anabolic and you're like wow I could do Two and a half hour crazy long workout and barely gets sore doesn't mean that that's effective No, no you still want to you'll get away with a lot of shit But it doesn't mean it's the most effective way to train And there's still those still the same rules apply where you I mean we are still trying to do The least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change So, you know, there's no reason to ramp up your volume that fast The difference is I would be ramping my volume up at a faster rate than I would if I was all natural But it's still the same rules apply where you want to inch it up every single week to two weeks versus progressively overload versus Doing all of it because you feel amazing right out the gates, you know Quick interruption by our sponsors you guys lots of people been asking us how they can support the mind pump mafia family Our first one is our chimera coffee that we love you guys go to chimera coffee dot com That's chimera with a k for 10 off. 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So ultimately in the grand scheme of things When you consider nutrient timing. Yeah, when you consider what you eat Uh, you're in terms of your calories your macro breakdown The quality of your food If it works for your body The timing of your food is way down the list of importance It doesn't make nearly as big of an impact not even close to calories macros and quality of food So in the big grand scheme of things If you work a schedule where The only time you can eat at night like don't stress yourself out trying to change your eating habits Now here's what the science says the science says all things being equal for uh health For believe it or not for fat loss for muscle building for longevity The best time to eat is really a uh a structured Limited time in other words, uh like intermittent fasting type of deal where people eat within a Six hour or eight hour window So there's science right now and it's not super conclusive yet. Okay. It's just there's there's a lot of studies now That are being done that are all kind of pointing this direction and it makes evolutionary sense That if you eat all of your calories within an eight hour window, it's better for you, uh on most levels Now that being said is it better to eat in the morning or at night? Uh some studies will show that eating during the day May be better than eating at night But here's the problem with those studies and here's why I would take those with a grain of salt When you take a huge sample of people And you're trying to do this survey or whatever and they're all surveys because it's very expensive and impossible To gather a hundred people and lock them in a laboratory and just you know feed them what you want Usually it's surveys where they just ask people questions and they find out Oh, these people eat in the daytime these people eat at night and all that stuff The problem with this is People that tend to eat during the day and not a lot at night Also tend to be more health conscious Okay People who eat really late at night tend to make Like it's afterthought it's an afterthought and it tends to be poor eating decisions. This tends to be I didn't eat all day. I'm back home from work. I'm stressed. I'm just gonna eat this fast food or I'm gonna eat this Snack that's in my cupboard. Well, I have I have a theory on this right here Somebody just asked me this. They they sent me a dm about Hey, I noticed that you You have you have huge dinners because right just in the last two weeks A lot of my you know meals my dinner, you know, specifically on my fat secret has been like, you know, eight 900 calorie dinners And I said, uh, yeah, sometimes a lot more and sometimes a lot less, you know, most importantly, I'm I'm inconsistently inconsistent And to me, I think that my theory is You know, if you tend to always have a really really big dinner That probably one of the best things that you could do is actually Intermittently, you know skip dinner or have a really low calorie dinner and then have a higher calorie breakfast The the next week and to be constantly kind of Playing with that the way we talk about undulating your calories. I also think it's and it would be smart for you to Be kind of confusing your body too on if it got if it's been getting 900 calories every dinner every single night for the last six months You know, probably the one of the best things you could do is probably switch it over to the morning And have the big morning A meal and then now have a light dinner and kind of throw a curveball at it So that's just my opinion in my theory. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I agree with that because If we consider human evolution, I don't see any humans ever for most of human evolution Being presented food and them saying, oh, no, no, no, I don't want to eat that now. Yeah. Yeah, it's night time Like I I think humans ate that trying to survive. They ate it when it was there So if they got the food and it was a night time and they were hungry, I'm gonna eat it It doesn't matter what time it is. So as far as timing, I feel like it's it's yes and no, right? And I think uh, in justin will probably touch a little bit on this with uh, sports. I feel like Sports play a little bit more of a role when timing because yeah energy. Yeah for energy purposes, right? So for me That plays a little bit more of a role Most people that ask this question though are trying to lose body fat Well, it also depends on how adapted you are like what your schedule currently is because like I would say like, yeah Like let's load up on carbs and all this day before and whatnot And let's let's make sure that we got that kind of an energy going into the game and all that But like it really depends on the individual and their schedule and like when like if you're Able to operate without food in your system And that's how you know, you're energized and you're charged like keep with that protocol Like whatever it whatever it is going into the workout that you feel like you have the best energy and like You figured out your your schedule and balance with that That that's usually where I tend to go but yeah, there's Obviously there's there's ways to kind of load especially for an endurance Type of a sport or something that's a little extra strenuous You want to really prepare ahead of time to make sure you manage your your energy and then how you're going to be able to manage that throughout the The endeavor so yeah, I don't um, so the the best studies on nutrient timing when it comes to athletic performance muscle building fat loss The best studies demonstrate that you do replenish glycogen Faster if you eat post workout. However, if you don't eat post workout your body still replenishes glycogen Just as effectively as it would otherwise and so really doesn't make a difference Unless you plan on exercising again. Yeah, so like if I had a hard morning workout Yes, and I'm gonna have a point. Yeah, and I'm gonna have another hard Workout when it's coming in the next day. Yes or that night I'm better off eating in between rather than going You know working out real hard fasted and then staying fast and then working out again I used to do that for like double days or you know, a really strenuous week of of practice and Um, you know like going into the next day you want to make sure and fuel up So I would fuel up after my my practice and make sure that you know, I got that timing that window in But yeah, otherwise it's like you know Your body will regulate that And there's most I mean this whole like eat a big breakfast eat real light and then in the evening That's kind of an American thing. Uh, I don't see too many other cultures doing that like I don't think the Japanese and the Chinese have massive massive breakfast And I think they have small very very light breakfast. I know in in Italy Uh in Mediterranean cultures, we don't have a huge a huge breakfast is very much an American thing In fact, if you go to Europe many European countries, especially the Mediterranean, there are Too many breakfast spots where you go and sit down and have These big breakfast. I know my cousins come and visit they kind of trip out over that where I'll take them to like These breakfast joints where they got big pancakes and stuff. They're like, oh my gosh, like it's the morning I'm not that hungry personally for me eating a huge meal in the morning is super counterproductive Yes, I feel like shit the rest of the day. I would much I feel so much better Eating at night This is too where I used to fight coaches all the time because the protocol was to then go in the morning And go to these buffets and like, you know Eat like your pancakes or waffles like all this like, you know eggs and bacon and And I just found, you know, because we would play around like two three o'clock in the afternoon And it would just completely drain me of energy And I was just like lethargic and and like mentally unclear and going into the Into the game I had this fog and then I just realized I like I just decided not to eat breakfast and then go into the game And I loaded up more the the the day right before that. Yeah, and that really helped So my energy levels were way better. You know what? Nutrition timing for somebody who is trying to get like in just overall shape like lose body fat or build muscle Reminds me a lot of the the isolation movements that guys do for You know all these like sideways chest pressed and like, you know this, you know weird like angle Just to hit a certain tiny little muscle on the body And I actually had this conversation I ran into our buddy Johnny not that long ago and him and I were bullshitting back and forth and he's getting ready He hit stage in three weeks and I was telling him how great he looks right now And I was like man, it's it's getting crazy in this gym and the more and more I see I come in here the more I see these Stupid exercises that these people are doing and Here's the deal like and and he's a guy who does a lot of these stupid exercises and why it's not stupid for him Is because of where his physique is at Like he and it's like the and same thing goes for like the meal timing you will see me As I progress through this whole journey on my insta story of getting in you know competitive shape again I will start to time My carbohydrates around my pre and post workout. You've done everything else now. You're starting to play with a small It's like putting a wing on a fucking honda civic. Yes, like there's there's no why yes I'm gonna do anything for it. No, that's exactly what it is is like tough man And that's in the why I use the analogy of why it's like the the isolation movements. It's the same thing So when I see like this little skinny kid, you know, who's you know trying to build you could tell He wants to be a build muscle and he must have just saw joey swolls fucking instagram doing a sideways chest press And so he's in there doing that. I'm thinking to myself man this kid I know what he's wanting to do and what he's trying to do He's really wasting his time with the silly exercise that he could be doing big barbell movements and dumbbell presses and Exercises that are going to build so much more muscle on his chest that is going to make his chest look so much better But he thinks right now that by turning sideways on this chest press He's going to get his inner chest worked more or his lower pack or whatever the fucking joey swolls saying that it does So these guys will do these things and it's not that they these types of movements don't have a place Just the people that are doing them have no business really doing them yet It's just you don't you have other big rocks that you should take care of first and the same thing goes with this nutrition timing It's it's not to say that there's some science that doesn't support Having a you know 4 to 1 carb to protein ratio post workout within the 20 minute window isn't beneficial for the body like sure it is But you're talking you're splitting hairs when you talk about what a difference it's making Making in your overall physique in the grand scheme of things There's so many other things that you should be stressing about Then you should be actually worrying about carrying a shaker with you that as soon as you get out of the gym You take it because it's that's silly to me unless you're at the competitive level That your body is already so dialed that you're trying to squeeze out every little tiny extra thing that you can give you The competitive edge then it makes sense then it's like okay I get why that guy is doing it but if you're somebody who was And you know who you are like if you don't look like a fucking Pro physique guy on on stage You'd probably have no business doing a sideways chest press or doing these other Machine exercises where you're bent over sideways and rear delt flying to just hit the you know The rear delt while you do it and isolate a certain area like dude Go do some fucking overhead pressing some squats some deadlifts and some movements We just gravitate to all that like novelty unique stuff right like whether it's like oh My favorite athlete was taping himself this way and then all of a sudden you see everybody in the gym taping themselves all crazy Well, it's also easy, too It's also easy like nobody wants to go to the gym Yeah And lift heavy and move some shit and you know a lot of people like to go to the gym and just Spend an hour doing these little small movements and walk out with they want to wear the uniform Well, I also I blame the motherfuckers that are sharing it though, too Because you they're on a platform where a ton of people are looking at they have incredible physiques And maybe like where they're at in their their journey that you know this you know exercise benefits them a little bit But they've also done a ton of well They've laid a huge foundation to get to that point where they even have any sort of and they're probably in the gym For two hours plus a day So it's like okay If you've already been in the gym for an hour and you hit all the big major movers They're gonna build muscle and now you're over there doing a sideways chest press then fucking to each their own Do it if you want to but You know it's the same thing goes for the meal timing like dude If you got 30 pounds of fat to lose and you're fucking racing home or you're carrying your shaper Shaker cup to get your 20 minute anabolic window in like okay, dude You what you should be doing is actually not drinking the shaker cup walking on the fucking treadmill That's going to benefit you burning more fat than anything else or vice versa If you're somebody who's doing the sideways chest press all these isolation movements And you're trying to catch your 20 minute anabolic window No, you should be doing some barbell presses or squats or deadlifts because that's what's going to benefit you Your physique more than anything else So it's really about prioritizing and when it comes to nutritional nutrition timing It's way like sal said at the bottom of the list as far as priorities Sure, is there is there some sort of an advantage to it very very little and more than likely that advantage Is is minuscule and compared to all the other things you're probably missing Ryan sir saw is asking what advice would you give to a young person wanting to start something like mine pump? You know, it's cool about this question is that when we started Mine pump, okay hindsight's always 2020. So I can look back now and be like, oh, this is this is what you should do And this is what we did that was right and we had We knew what we wanted to do, but we all had zero experience in this realm. None of us had podcasted before None of us knew really what The formula was going to be to be super, you know to to really blow up and do well What we did have is we, you know, we had good sound because we had good equipment. Thanks to dug and we also got on the mics and Did not hold back and we're honest and You know with our all of our our combined experience had lots of knowledge that we wanted to share right so The advice I would give you if you're going to start a podcast or you want to start something like mine pump Well, number one Have some life experience first. Yeah. Well, not only that but see what other people are doing right and pay attention to that but at the end of the day Really got to be true to your message and what you're saying because what I've noticed through Podcasts or anything that people really Like to listen to or watch Is the message is important But equally as important is the passion that's behind it And the realism that comes across so if you're talking about something But you're delivering it away where people are really enthralled to listen You're gonna do much better than someone else who may be even delivering them You know great information as well, but they don't deliver it very well And a lot of that has to do with you really believing In what you're doing So when you get on the mics talk about those the things that you're really passionate about It's gonna come across and it's gonna be easy for someone to listen to the second piece of advice And this is pretty easy for me to give is I've seen a few people start podcasts by themselves Which can be done But you're gonna it's gonna it's gonna be very difficult because you're gonna need lots of guests lots of Uh podcast interviewing people and it's very difficult to record a podcast by yourself because you're again You're just by yourself one of the things that we have that we're really lucky To have is we have each other And we've got a great chemistry So it makes it a lot easier to bounce ideas off of each other and it doesn't fall on one person to carry The entire show and yeah As if you've been listening to since the beginning of this particular episode One of us can be very controversial and the other one doesn't necessarily Need to be that way and it balances out the show because trust me if there were three sals I'm sure Three people giving advice to take drugs and I'm sure we would get in trouble and we wouldn't be Yeah, so but it's it's cool to have someone on each other a lot for that on the show You know that you could talk to um, I I have a little more to say on this um Here's what I see happening a lot right now Is um, and I I've got somebody who's close to me family wise right now that I'm watching do this and and I just You know, I do my best to be as supportive as I can but I kind of shake my head too Like what are you fucking thinking dude? Like you there's other ways to go about this I think what happens a lot of people see someone sees like mine pumping They go like like oh shit. Look at those guys like, you know, they're not even that smart They're not even that good-looking like, you know, they can barely fucking bought some mics Right, and they're like, you know the and they I I could explain some of the shit they talk about like I can start a podcast and do this Well, you know before any of that happened. Maybe that's true Maybe it is true right half of it. So I think that There's there's ways for you to start to build a network before you you jump to a platform like podcasting or youtube And many other platforms that are big like that that you can monetize Um, and this was a lot of the journey that I did so when I got on to instagram I got on to instagram with the intention of building a fitness business like mine pump even though at that time I had no idea it was going to be mine pump or It would be with sal and justin like I didn't know that much But what I did know was I had met a buddy of mine who now works with us taylor Uh, yeah, yeah teedog So I didn't I call him t pain taylor was in his early 20s and uh, he had built a a Social media business. He had built a facebook page that had I think 10 000 plus followers on it And he had built a brand for himself and he was Making six figures at 20-something years old off of facebook and I was extremely fascinated like I had heard of this before But I didn't know anybody personally That I had seen do that and then a young guy his age do that And so I was really impressed and the first thing that went through my head and no disrespect to him And I'm like this motherfucker gonna do this I can do this on the side while I'm doing everything else I can figure this out And so at that moment I began my journey into social media and trying to build a network of people Now I made a lot of mistakes that I could go on all day about and share that process, but I think First trying to build a network of people That want to listen to what you say and using a platform like facebook like instagram like snapchat These are all fine and like and I think different platforms will appeal to different people based off of your personality So maybe you're funny and you're goofy and you're creative and so snapchat it works really well Or you know, maybe you write like really good posts like sal does and and maybe like a facebook platform That's better for reading is is more you or maybe you've got really good talent and a really good eye for taking pictures and photos Gorgeous or a bad. Yeah, or you're gorgeous and you have a badass camera or whatever And so maybe instagram is a great platform for you whatever that may be I think finding the platform that fits you the best first And then trying to build a network of people like minded people because that's important too like You want to you want to you want to fit a genre, right? So why he why how taylor built a good business was I'll give you the the short version of what he did Was it's very popular for shoe guys like myself To be trying to hunt down a pair of shoes like when i'm looking for a pair of jorns that I want to buy I'll be scouring the internet for it And taylor would be a guy that I would find and taylor would find the shoes and he would be a broker Now many guys before him had done this business, but what he did that was really clever Was he was not charging a broker fee. He was just putting people together. So people fucking loved him It was like, hey, this guy has these jordans. This guy wants to buy these jordans He would introduce those people and he became the middleman who didn't make any money And what was so brilliant about that was he had a long-term plan He didn't he knew he was going to do a lot of work and he was going to help a lot of people out He was going to connect a ton of people and not make any money at first But he was setting the stage for what he was going to do later on Now that's a lot of how mine pump was built There's a lot of things that we did leading up to the podcast that set the stage For it to organically grow the way it has grown. So You can spend your time right now Trying to build a network of people and you know what ended up happening for taylor was He had all these people on his facebook that were all shoe guys So what did he do? He created a business all around shoes He had an apparel line that and he made clocks. He made air fresheners. He made keychains He made t-shirts and sweaters and he made all these custom things that had his brand on them that like had that were sneakers And of course if you're got a bunch of sneaker people that are following you They're probably going to be into having a sneaker air freshener or a sneaker keychain. It just makes fucking sense Yeah, I think um, I mean that's great advice and I also think that what we did very well that we don't really give ourselves credit for is we figured out the why And you know, so I'll kind of mention about you know, what you're passionate about but Really understand like what your message is going to be Excellent point and ours was really to to be counter counter information that um, you know challenge the status quo and challenge the What is considered common knowledge? Uh within the fitness and wellness community and then also to bridge that gap between wellness and fitness Which there's a huge disconnect between the two and we felt that there was a need to mend those two communities together and You know just just for us to kind of we we really had to to sit and have a sort of pow wow and and think about like what that looked like in in our own minds and You know from our own backgrounds how we could influence and and voice into that direction And so everything we've done from here has been That's been you know the cornerstone of of you know, how we've gotten to where we are But at the same time it's a growth. It's a growth process and You know like it takes a while to kind of Figure out like You know how to organize and monetize and so we One thing that we did obviously we we didn't we didn't want to come out and Charge and make money and and turn on sort of the monetary Funnel with with what we were doing because we had to we had to figure out like what our audience You know wanted or what we could benefit our audience with and not just blast them with with ads and You know we had to grow into all these things and so I just think that You know, this is definitely a great business for for people to pursue and and I I get excited when I see You know fitness people wanting to get into this Um, you know this platform because it's just going to make You know, if you guys listen to us and you want to do a podcast It just makes our voice stronger because there's more of us it does and it brings more awareness to podcasting the the more there are it's not that popular yet No, I it still blows me away that I'll tell someone, you know that I I host a podcast and I'll be like, what's a podcast? I mean, there's still people that there's a quite a few out there that say that hasn't penetrated The market nearly as much as something like youtube Yeah, but you know You know when you we have good chemistry that really helps a lot like we can sit down and bullshit And I'm sure you have a friend Who you can sit down with and just talk It does that helps a lot if we're if we're completely honest with ourselves We kind of suck at podcasting. We're not very good at podcasting like I I I don't think well. I mean it depends what you define Well, I know I know you're mr. Optimistic all time and on the opposite when it comes that stuff I think that just Justin probably hit it on the head the best out of all three of us We really did define our why and there is a mission behind mind pump Which is what gives it a lot of power? Because there we knew that there was a lot of people Who would relate to us when they when they learned this information just like when we learned this information It was such a like, oh my god, like that's not what that's not what everyone's saying That's that's not that's not in the magazines. That's not what this celebrity's saying You mean to tell me that's bullshit like, you know There's there's not a lot of people that actually knew that and we knew that when we created this movement That as people started to find out about it that we would gain momentum. So having that why Is to me so so important and then building a community of people around you because then we we can get away with Not being the best podcasters I mean how many times do I make up a word and fuck up or how many times You know have we had to go back and say like oh we said this but this is now true or you know Or how many times have we gone back and listened to an episode? We didn't thought oh my god that sounded so terrible. We are not by far not the best You know pot. Yeah, I mean I talked a little bit for that one. Yeah, right how horrible were our interviews for the first year I mean there's so much I can go and pick us apart like horrible But you know like it's gross like Justin said too The future of business is going to be how much free shit You can give away So build your audience before you ever decide to monetize And give as much information and knowledge and whatever A way as much as possible because you know we we were told this a while ago By someone we respect very highly and it's only it's moving in this direction And that is whatever can be free will be free. So Think about that. Yeah, if you become a provider of information and content, you've got value if you're selling it You're you got if you're gonna have to figure out how to kind of switch that or pivot at some point because at some point It's all everything's gonna be free. Well, that was so decentralized That was Tom bill you and something else you said that I 100 agree with too was I remember we asked a question I asked him one of us asked him that um, you know What do you think is the biggest mistake that people make? Trying to build a business like this and he says for sure Trying to monetize too soon, you know, that's everybody they all sudden get a few followers and they think that Oh, yeah, no, I can I can I got this in the ads on yeah, let's start making some money right now and It's not what it seems. I'll tell you what And it's it's way different than most people think like if you were to look at like Our instagram page compared to some of these people that I know that have like a million followers It doesn't just because you have a million followers on instagram doesn't necessarily translate into you're making a million plus a year In business like it's there's many guys. I know with much smaller pages We're an example of that That make a lot more than that. I know lots of guys that have huge pages like that and make nowhere near that kind of money So, you know, just because a bunch of people are following you on instagram or facebook doesn't necessarily mean you've got a million dollar Business that you're sitting on well, just because they follow you doesn't mean you provide a lot of value Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. It's true. We there was a while ago where we paid And we we were looking on instagram their instagram pages lady and we paid some of them Just hey, just put a post up saying, you know, listen to mine pump or whatever is a form of advertising And uh, this person had like three million followers. So you figure wow three million people are gonna be like, okay I'll check these guys out three million followers. We should see some kind of a boost In downloads or whatever zero. No, we saw nothing It was zero just just to go and then there's people who've posted about us who have like 15,000 followers 30,000 followers and we'll see like a boost So listen if you found us through jojo Make sure you write us Because I don't know maybe we do have one person Yeah, maybe we do jojo followers. 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