 They all should get a count know how he got got away with it. Well, you know the Netflix documentary is produced by Jerry Which is I mean Jerry out of you know, Jerry media of all the groups were probably the only people getting paid for that Because Billy needed their marketing and that's a whole other story. Yeah Terrible people. Yes Farland by the way reminds me of Billy Mitchell from King of Kong Did we see that documentary big forehead bad? Did but I don't remember enough to oh Billy Mitchell his big he has like a big mullet He had he lied about the loud ties donkey Kong King of Kong Yeah, some mullet aside there were some similarities between the swindling alleged well, I guess not alleged. No, he's in jail So people are in jail. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Just call it what it is. So much money to go on an island and get two slices of bread with cheese Yeah You know my favorite line from either one of those documentaries as one job rule said No, we didn't lie. That's not that's not fraud. We just didn't tell the whole truth All right. Yeah lying by omission. Yeah You can have my car Well Billy's running a great business from prison, you know some kind of education thing for the prisoners I just thought that was a little yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah, he can't stop. He can't stop won't stop Man He's working it gotta work it. So Sarah. Yes, Roger. No when you want to Start and I'll get all the music lined up. Okay. Give me one second. I mean, I thought the conference is sarcastic You know, let me know when you want to No, no, I'm just I'm getting over one. So if you hear me gagging I'm getting over one. So Yeah, but do it at an inopportune moment. So I will just be a jerk. Yeah, you know, oh Lamar you when we're being introduced you go after Sarah and then I'll go after you. Mm-hmm. I Don't want to step on you. Yeah, I don't know what I what you wanted me to say about where you're at or Yeah, you can have limit Los Angeles is fine. Yeah Um Well, it is 130 and I think we should do this So Raj, um, I'll count myself in and we'll go from there. Okay in three two Many of you have supported independent tech news directly for five years. Thank you Be like them become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the daily tech news for Friday, February 1st. Happy February everybody 2019 from studio feline on Sarah Lane from Los Angeles I'm Lamar Wilson from the rear view mirror of the polar vortex. I'm Len Peralta And I'm the show's producer Roger Chang Man before we get started Len have you thought out? Sounds like it's been a little crazy in your area of the woods and I can't feel my feet We're gonna have to do something my hands and the frost fight is in places. You don't even want to know so Please draw them for us Yes You're so happy that you're still willing to draw considering you have no use of hands or feet They fell off on Wednesday, so you are amazing and look forward to what comes out of this show But for the rest of us, it's a little rainy in LA And I know that we've got some extreme weather and the rest of the world So thanks to everyone for being with us and let's start with a few tech things. You should know Amazon reported its Q4 earnings per share of six $6.04 on revenue of seventy two point four billion dollars Analysts had expected earnings of five dollars and sixty five cents on revenue of seventy one point eight eight billion dollars So this was a good quarter for Amazon Amazon web services revenue grew 45 percent on the year to seven point four three billion dollars Well AWS now accounts for 10% of overall revenue. It represents 58 percent of operating income with two point one eight billion dollars on the quarter Amazon's other segment which largely consists of things like ad sales grew 95 percent on the year to three point three nine billion dollars in revenue Amazon had a good quarter Yes, they did. Let's talk about Apple here. Apple temporarily revoked Google's enterprise certificate for the app store Preventing use of iOS apps for internal testing by the company TechCrunch reported that Google was violating Apple's rules For these certificates by distributing the screen wise meter app outside of the Apple's app store Facebook's faced a similar temporary loss of its enterprise certificate from Apple after TechCrunch reported on their Facebook research VPN app and its violation of its terms of service Revolving the security certificates not only disabled the violating apps, but reportedly broke all internal testing iOS apps and Tools used by the organizations But as of Thursday night Apple confirmed that both Facebook's and Google's enterprise certificates were restored peace on earth All right, let's talk a little bit more about Amazon's quarterly earnings, so we mentioned had a good quarter So it in a little bit more detail here the company said that it received a record 850,000 work applications for hourly jobs in the US This was in October of 2018 After Amazon said that it would raise its minimum wage to $15 per hour starting on November 1st A lot of people got on board. That was October. That's more than double its previous record for job applications received in a single month Amazon also said that the new $15 minimum wage applies to more than 250,000 current employees in the US 17,000 employees give or take in the UK and more than 200,000 seasonal workers. Those are workers Typically hired around the holidays Yeah, so I'm not Well, I don't want to be that cynical guy because I saw some of Amazon hearings about them trying to get in New York And you know, they're getting blown up right now about you know about you know Wanting subsidies and things but I it's hard for me to sit here and clap with them that they're Do giving a living wage to to to people like I mean is 15 is above that I obviously is above the national is double the national and it's above Washington's rate at $12. So it's it's great It's just it's still not a lot to you know for what they make for a lot to For you know regular people live on I don't know the solution to that It's just it's just kind of hard to read that it's like yeah great You know you can kind of see what they're patting themselves on the back But I'm sure I want to be positive. It is great. You know people obviously want those jobs look how many people applied Exactly. Yeah, so, you know, so I hope they could not only continues You know, but but they they find a way to expand that a little bit more and not cut from other programs Like they did to make that 15 miles It's very much in some respects kind of a PR move trying to get ahead of the curve And what's interesting is it's $15 an hour which is a living wage in many places in the US But not in areas like Seattle or like where you have a much higher cost of living and You know 15 bucks is probably actually, you know, a few dollars too short To actually live live on that but it's definitely one of those things like hey We better do something now before the government comes and start saying like we're gonna have a new Formula to figure out what a living wage is for an area And then you know, they don't want to deal with that and they figure if they give this my opinion If they figure if they give a little they can avoid a lot of pain down the road Yeah, well, and it also lends itself to the conversation about where is Amazon building new headquarters Depending on the city that you choose or the city that you're closest to Depends on whether or not $15 per hour is like that sounds pretty good or that's impossible to live on Couldn't do it. Yeah to it in the Bay Area Yeah, it's a good point Roger me like, you know, and it's even a Seattle at least to live there and and and now my god That you barely are surviving can imagine not surviving off 30,000 a year But that's that's kind of the reality that a lot people are facing now So let's talk about alphabets alphabets life science arm verily has pitched a prototype of smart shoes How smart well they can track weight movement and potentially even detect falls a Co-development partner will be necessary to move forward sources tell CNBC Besides shoes verily's team is working health related hardware projects including smart contact lenses and a smart spoon To make it easier for people with movement disorders to eat. Yeah, so this Yeah, like the the verily arm sounds like they're doing a lot of cool projects I I and I know Lamar you agreed with me this morning. We were like shoes. Yes. Yes, because because they're there I'm sort of the curmudgeon of the group who's like, I don't know I don't have a smart watch and I don't really want to wear anything in my face And I like the idea of things tracking me, but if it's not my cell phone I don't really want to do it. However, we all got to wear shoes. That would be a great way to to be able to You know get a lot of data points about my behavior without Adding anything to getting dressed in the morning what I have to leave the house with so I love this idea Yeah, I just got on the scale this morning. I was like, I hate getting on a scale. I mean, yeah I'm doing great. I don't like it either. I'm losing what I'm losing But it's like I hate getting on it but just to kind of have that technology in your shoes would be great now know they're looking for a partner I You know Nike's already doing some great things in health I think they would be non-natural fit. What do you think adidas or any of these other top top brands? Yeah, good question. And yeah, that's important. It's like you think oh, it's it's an alphabet company, right? So Google will just like give them all the money and they'll make the you know, most data-driven shoes ever That really worked that way with some of the alphabet companies because they do operate in silo of sorts so yeah, it looks like very verily has something pretty cool and Still needs a development partner and I think you're right something like an adidas or a weebock or I'd say Nike, but it's probably not gonna be Nike That would that would propel this whole thing to To something that that the general public could actually be able to buy and and and take advantage of yeah And it need to be fashionable not not some weird techno shoes that no one's gonna wear exactly. Yeah We've we've done that before Speaking of alphabet alphabets loon subsidiary announced a partnership with the Canadian Telecommunications company called TELASAT to use loon's temporal spatial software Defined network to manage TELASAT's new fleet of low earth orbit satellites loon originally developed the proprietary Software to provide internet access via an LTE balloon fleet It can adjust the shape of the network to account for the shifts of both nodes and also end users in physical orientation and across time Simultaneously very smart Tell us that tell us that rather plans to use the tech to provide internet connectivity to remote areas like ships at sea and Plains in flight Yeah, I don't see anything negative about this thing. They gave it a go. They tested that with the balloons It was a good a good run and I think using the low orbit satellites is just kind of it makes sense That's that, you know, and but it was interesting for me reading is that And we and you talked about just an even the last article like Google is kind of giving up some Some some authority here like they're they're willing to partner whereas before we expect them to try to just do everything themselves So I think it's good to see you got areas in Brazil and they've been testing and there's so many remote areas So we think should have internet that just don't and so nothing negative on my end for this I think they should keep testing. No, certainly not and yeah, you make a good point that when people say, oh Google alphabet I don't know same company. It's like, well, no Google is part of alphabet And there's a lot more going on and the company did that on purpose to be able to to build out Certain infrastructures and certain technologies that don't necessarily cross over into Google's bread and butter Which of course is is is add money So Lamar when was the last time you were on a plane and how good was the Wi-Fi? So I was on for it for New Year's I should flew and Did I use what yeah, I did it was okay, oh It like you can't watch video at all, but I got I'm a stitch that was that was something So yeah You know just yeah just just thinking about how something like this technology will help a lot of people in the real world did a day Stuff. I was original On a plane I don't know a couple weeks ago coming back from Mexico City very strange I was on a United flight and usually it's like, I don't know six bucks if you want to buy Wi-Fi for the duration of the flight, you know, it might work. It might not this one was like $14 for a three-hour flight crazy and but but the whole thing was oh But it's premium internet So you can download videos and do all these sorts of things that we've been telling you for the last couple of years You should never do on flights Wow, yeah It didn't know it didn't work at all. I Had to get on for the punchline there I had to get on the phone with United afterwards and I was like that was crazy You just charged me double for internet that also didn't work for video that I didn't want to stream. Anyway, my point being that the more That we can invest into research that gives us more options the better off that the end consumer will be Absolutely, absolutely Next story. Mobile World Congress is right around the corner. I didn't know that and Huawei is said to announce an expected foldable device Huawei's keynote is scheduled for Sunday, February 24th at 2 p.m. Barcelona time and 8 a.m Eastern time Huawei also promised that end up. Excuse me, MWC will see the world's first 5g foldable device Yeah, so mobile world Congress is right around the corner This is where all the mobile phones of the future are at least, you know Trotted out whether or not their vaporware remains to be seen a little bit like CES But for phones and for mobile devices, so we have we have heard a lot about 5g We know that saying that you have a 5g capable phone requires The carriers to provide 5g actual 5g sure exactly. So yes, it's a two-way street So it's it's it is it is lip service in a certain sense But sure Huawei wants to claim the first 5g foldable device. Okay, so 5g Okay, sounds good. I'm good with 5g. I'm good with 5g as well When we were at CES Lamar, it was Tom and and Roger and myself and and you know, everyone else who was there There were some foldable devices and they were cool. They were cool in the sense of like whoa, how did they do that? but they weren't in my opinion, they weren't Really something that I would want it was more of kind of that concept car of a of a mobile device It was very much a I don't say novelty because it cheapens what they did But it was like hey that looks really cool nice to look at but probably won't have a use for it because You know, it's a function that has yet to find a form like that There needs to be a reason why you would need a folding phone other than I need more screen real estate Yeah, I think I think they're interesting, but I'm with you Sarah like I don't see You know myself wanting to use that I think our society is still struggling with tablets We're still trying to figure out what what place they have You know it being a bigger phone and so, you know, it's just to have this like another category of a phone I'm not gonna be negative about it. I just don't know where where it'll fit in my you know I love gadgets. Yeah, I I struggle with the exact same thing and it's not because I don't think it's cool It's not because I'm like, I mean show me what why I need this and I'll I'll get into it because I love new technology But I'm also somebody who was for years My iPad was like my little security blanket on the couch at night. You know what I was watching Okay, I was a very enthusiastic tablet user for some time and the reason that I'm no longer is because the iPhone got bigger and I you know found all these things a little bit too expensive And so I kind of just like went with the phone got a big phone That's what I'm doing. Yeah, if I need to if I if I need to go bigger than this I got a laptop. So the tablet I've kind of I've taken myself out of the tablet market for Basically financial necessities. So that's why one of these one of these Hybrids that you know is foldable is very very cool But I also need to find reasons to use something that is a larger form factor again Absolutely, absolutely. So we're just talking about Apple here There's some news about them Apple announced a fix for the bug in FaceTime allowing users to eavesdrop on people Before they accepted a call saying that it would be rolled out in a software update next week The company thanked the Thompson family who tried to warn Apple about the bug adding We are committing to improving the process by which we receive and escalate these reports in order to get them to the right people As fast as possible. Lamar had had you fold the story earlier in the week? I mean, it was a little crazy that you know the story that You might FaceTime me and I might decline your call would never do that to you personally, but let's just you know Hypothetically and However, you know, if you kind of know a couple of the right buttons to push you could hear the audio coming out of My side of the call. I mean huge huge breach of privacy. Oh, yeah Yeah, and and the fact that Apple's like, you know, we're yeah, it fixes coming Of course, you would expect that from the company, but um Yeah, tough one. Do you know anybody who is affected by this? I don't know of anybody. I didn't try to replicate it I just turned off the FaceTime until I heard they disabled it that part server wide And then I because I need to actually need his FaceTime on because that's how I communicate with my grandmother And she was right in Chicago dealing with that really dangerous weather by herself So I needed to have FaceTime on then to to make sure she looked okay and it was okay And you know, she you know, so I'm glad they I'm glad they fixed it Were to the point where I could feel comfortable turning it back on so and and also the last thing I want to say about this Report very unusual for Apple to apologize. They literally apologize in there and they they normally don't Well, Lamar, they've been apologizing for a lot of stuff Yeah, yeah, it's it's a it's a new thing for Apple. But yes. Yes More so than ever, which is yeah, which leads to a lot of think pieces from people being like what's going on at Apple You know, they're They're apologizing for things that they did wrong rather than try to spin it as something that we all wanted in the first place Yeah, exactly the spin doctors All right to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes or less subscribe to daily tech headlines debt com So we've been talking a lot about this whole app store facebook google What has happened and the story continues to unfold so we'll go through Uh a few notes And Lamar very excited to get your thoughts on this Monday facebook was reported to be misusing an apple issued certificate That's for an internal app something that doesn't have to be Doesn't have to go through the app store and go through all the rigmarole that you or I would have to do as a Third-party developer to get in the app store. This is internal stuff This is a a deal that apple has with certain companies that have enough employees where it's advantages for both companies to do So those certificates were only meant for companies to use to distribute internal Employee only apps without having to go through that apple app store vetting process But facebook and this is the story here use that certificate to sign a vpn app Called research that facebook distributed outside of the public bypassing the app store Which violated apple's rules? Okay, so this is where apple was like. Hold on a second You know, we don't like this. Yeah, so and it's it's really interesting is that What they effectively did and what you just alluded to is uh, these certificates are given out to to corporate Uh corporate entities for corporate use for enterprise use They aren't meant To to to be uh to be rolled out to the public in the way they have and what's interesting is that You know these apps when you see them you don't go through the app store to get them They the company in this case facebook issued a link through the facebook app And they would ask you do you want to install this app you say yes Now what facebook did beyond that was they also asked for root access to the phone So by clicking on yes, and they installed this vpn app to monitor traffic to see what sites for people going to and stuff They were they had access to unencrypted or decrypted data on your phone. So texts Uh any kind of emails anything that you would normally consider to be protected was not because you gave the app root access Right. It's like giving some of the password to your windows or or mac laptop Now google came in, you know, everyone's pointed the you know fingers at facebook for being such a jerky company Because you know, there's so many reasons to be mad at them uh of late Uh, and it turns out yesterday. We got this from tv zing on there was a story That was breaking late in the show yesterday where google was caught doing the same thing with an app called screen wise meter Again, it was an enterprise certificate meant for internal use meant for research, right? It's meant for a very uh closed a very controlled system And it was being issued out to the public and apple rolled out the band hammer on that as well Although I will add google's did not go to the same level as facebook by asking for root access So if data on the phone was encrypted that the google app could not access it All right, so so now we're getting into that conversation of okay, well There were ios apps that are used by a company like facebook or google I mean the thousands of people that would use a variety of these apps is is Not insignificant and for those folks who were like, hey my internal google transportation app that I'd use every day To get to and from work no longer works. This sucks You have you have some repercussions of all of this that affect people that had nothing to do with what was the core issue in the beginning Absolutely, and you know, so there's a couple of things here You have to look at this from apple's point of view. This became public This became a story on tech crunch. So they had to do something. I I would think Apple doesn't hate either these companies that much where if this was found internally or quietly they probably would have said hey You got three to you know, you got 24 hours turn, you know turn it off or whatever But you know, these are clearly apples rules And and they were agreed upon too and and so You know and and they weren't unreasonable rules like and and you know some of the arguments that I've been reading on twitter to Say well, you know, well, you know the the vpn app You know facebook got permission they got explicit permission and that's true They did get permission from that 13 year old or 12 year old There's problems in itself with that, you know, you know, there's a kid really understand what they're allowing you to do But on the other one it still violates apples rules. It is not supposed to go public. So I don't blame Apple for doing what they did. I I fully supported they got they got slapped publicly and hopefully they won't do it again well Oh, uh, I was going to say like, you know, what's you know, there's kind of two stories here One is the big one is you know, again We find big tech companies abusing their position in order to collect data without necessarily the user fully Being cognizant of what was happening right, especially when you target, you know, miners to to download install this app You're implicitly just with an offering money to do it. Yes um, the you know Without the the experience aware with all to understand what was going on, you know, another big bag tech story the other one is for App developers, right? It showcases how powerful apple actually is right? They they granted you're already playing in their garden So I think the world's garden, but it really kind of lays bare You cross the big a they're gonna put the they're gonna smack you down hard And if they want to they can make you disappear, you know off the store You know ruining your business or ruining your livelihood or whatever and Oh, I think it's it's one of those things where you know Maybe the maybe the kind of terms of agreement this is the stuff I've been reading maybe not so clear for a lot of the smaller developers You don't have teams and teams of lawyers or an attendant department that can go through this vet and explain to everyone What it means, um, you know, it's not that it's a bad thing But it definitely means that smaller developers are going to be extra cautious about what they do and what they develop outside of You know outside of this particular flaw or not flaw outside of this particular thing with Uh, um facebook and google got enterprise certificates And and manipulated them in a way that they weren't supposed to but what if you were You know coming through with an app that maybe you thought was okay, but it wasn't because You know because of you know, whatever Social zikas at the time it's considered bad form and then apple would have to kind of Whack you down and then it kind of brings up the whole thing is now apple now has to be get content manager And so they need to watch for What things may or may not make them look bad or good? I mean there's just a whole host of things that kind of roll out of it Yeah, and I mean and when when you talk about the concept of the walled garden I think most people go like oh, yeah, like facebook, right? I mean facebook is like the epitome of the walled garden that that works in many ways But but but doesn't and others the fact that apple could stymie So much of what's going on internally with with facebook employees just doing for the most part It sounds like general stuff. Uh, you know, it's not it's not you didn't take the network down or anything But this is actually just affecting normal people who uh, and and there are many of them who work at these companies that that it it it lends itself to the iOS is powerful enough that facebook Had not thought to replicate this in any way where they would never have to deal with apple They have to deal with apple at least the way that um, it's all set up now Well, well, let's be fair real quick. I know we gotta move on but but but google also has the same kind of program These are internal apps for testing for for for ios stuff Google has they also make google apps for that so google could have done This could have been a story about google shutting off a bunch of companies too So I just want to make that clear that it's not apple running this monopoly on the world and and and they can And everybody can go down if they flip a switch. I mean, they're they're multiple Yeah, that's a very good point. It just is sort of like if you build a lot of services on a Platform that you don't actually run And that platform goes away Yeah, people, you know, they they can't do their jobs stuff stuff goes down. It's not good You know who does do their jobs everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show reddit.com Reddit folks, we love you. We also love the facebook group folks facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show join the conversation All right, let's check out the mailbag and I think this is a very apropos because we're talking about You know the idea of you know, what you own and what you don't own and we actually had a Story yesterday with Justin Robert Young who was our guest on the ultraviolet shutdown Lamar, I know you have thoughts on this Scott says For as long as people are willing to outsource and run things versus own them This will forever be the case you will always be at the mercy of companies either making decisions in your favor Or simply continuing to exist people want technology to solve this problem But there's a fundamental contradiction here that won't be solved by technology streaming services are fickle regarding What's there today and gone tomorrow things like ultraviolet movies anywhere, etc Are ephemeral and in and of themselves The actual solution is for people to stop criticizing and dismissing ownership as something antiquated That only old people do and instead use technology to augment ownership and provide them the features they desire I find that solution in plex which my family and I use exponentially more than any Even my extensive ultraviolet collection this way I know my content will remain available to stream on all our devices until I choose to remove it If something happens to plex itself, I still have my original discs I can migrate into a collection to the next great thing. This is not necessarily expensive I pick up almost all my dvds and blu rays on big sales used off ebay So Scott is like I feel like I'm doing the right thing here as the old adage against outsourcing goes Nobody cares about your stuff more than you if you want the benefits and safety of ownership You need to stop moving away from ownership Lamar, I want to I I want to know your thoughts about this because yeah, I'm I'm one of those people who's like I don't want to own a pen. I want a paperless office. I don't want physical media So I'm I'm all about the cloud But I think Scott makes some really good points about where that you know that falls short sometimes Yeah, so Scott makes good points and people who own who own things, you know I I get a list of the roger yesterday about his been of the dvds and and and I get it um I think the problem happened when You know these companies Offered this to us as saying you can own I own many movies on ultraviolet I own many movies on on iTunes and I and I and I think that's the problem I All like me now. I'm not buying anything else anymore either. I have a subscription to the service or i'm renting Uh, and that's just me because you know, I don't have to go digging any any You know servers or digging any bins, you know, you know, so That that's where the society is going. It's really about the subscriptions and things So I I agree there's going to be a percentage of people always love ownership. I'm not one of those people I think they never should have said That you own a digital thing to begin with and that would have that would have stopped all of this Because we don't ever own it. It's it's code that that the company truly owns it can stop at any point And Tom wanted to chime in from from his vacay about the whole concept And he wanted to make the point that no one is actually losing ownership of of of of their their ultraviolet content They're just stopping the the linking accounts across stores That we're participating in ultraviolet. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, but I like again, I I'm not anti ownership, but I like I don't collect things like that So, you know, if I just want to see Pinocchio I'll rent it said it shuffling through my garage trying to find a dvd from 10 years ago that I stored in there That's just 20 years 20 years Right and I lamar. I'm I'm absolutely with you. I also completely understand the idea of like Well, but if my favorite album just goes away from apple music one day And has nothing to do with me and I have no control over like yes, that would be very annoying But it um, I think it it starts to become a conversation about how You know, how we use our media, you know, how how often do you listen to something like that? So much that it really really matters that you still have it. I'm so like how often do you watch that movie? Yeah, I mean, you have that been of dvs. No offense to you Roger, but I was kind of laughing to myself like Yeah, how often do you know You might because you have kids but like how often do we really go back And and try and watch those old movies versus just hey, I think of this movie. Hey, it's five bucks And I so it's cool. I'll rent it for it's my version of my dad's 30 year collection of national geographics That sits in the garage. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah It's you know, but but you have the option to be that guy So, you know A lot of people are that guy. Yeah, nobody's right or wrong. It's it's um, it's an interesting Cloud world we're navigating and going forward What we're also navigating is Len Peralta's latest contribution to the show Len You've been so quiet and I know you've been trying throughout the entire show. Let us know where you are. Oh sure By the way, just a little tie up on that story Some of those dvds can be worth money for collectors just Anyway, uh, what I drew this week, you know, uh, the big story obviously this week was uh apple kind of barring the door To facebook and google With their apps, of course, they're back in now. So everything's always happy here as we end the week But I sort of did a dramatic representation of what this is. There's the app store entrance There's the big bouncer with the brass knuckles. It was I love the brass knuckles What it is, right? And uh, these guys Even though facebook and google are not little guys, you know, they're sort of being their buzz is being harsh here They're potentially the the biggest guys in the entire world But they're not allowed into the party or weren't allowed into the party Yeah, you're personally a buzz apple. That's exactly what it is. So Um, and it is available right now at my online store lennproblastore.com and remember if you are a Backer of my patreon patreon.com forward slash lenn you get this, uh You know like about a month after so you get these all of these high reservoirs versions So go and check it out lennproblastore.com or patreon.com forward slash lenn Excellent so good lamar wilson. Also. Thanks for being with us this fun friday. Let folks know where they can keep up with your work I know it's been a while. I'm so glad to be It has in fact, I know it's been since 2018. Yes, it has So yeah, so i'm still on youtube youtube.com slash lamar wilson. 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This was a fun story because it's the big three right and this needs to be in a newspaper One of those newspaper comments. So like right it needs to happen Well, it also kind of reveals how Involved in everyone's life these three companies are in some way sure right? Whether you the product to use the service or someone you know uses their service Exactly. So when you can't get away and when they butt heads it affects everybody You know, we're like the long grass when the elephants fight There's an african pot bird that says like when elephants fight it's the grass that gets trampled, right? We're the grass under apple and facebook Friday. That's right. Something about grandfather was saying You know It It kind of reminds me of the day when I wasn't alive, but back when the various Uh monopolies in the us, you know, us economy were kind of duking it out. You had the uh, Uh, the Rockefeller version of the carnagies and you know, like You're kind of at their mercy It's not that what apple did was wrong for the reasons why they did it was wrong It just does show you how much power they have right how much? Yeah, absolutely. You know, you know how right you are I will not bank and jp jp Morgan and chase because they they turned down tesla's Um idea and then he died Oh chase chase Yeah, so chase bank. I hate chase bank. I it was jp Morgan though that that that That turned it down. No love lost here would chase me Did you mention the Rockefellers and jp and all them all them was to say that's the point I was making it all the same time I mean the other story I was thinking but I wasn't sure if it was big enough for for the discussion was um So, uh, the ctr, uh, canadian television radio corporation, which is like the fcc in canada The uh, um, not the ctrc the cvc head or head was uh talking about Like netflix in canada all the broadcasters have to pay a small tax into kind of a fund to fund Uh, uh local production right canadian Production so it won't be swept away by overseas kind of mainly the us and for the longest time netflix and other streaming companies were kind of uh, uh, uh, Weren't covered under that and she thought it would because there was like What she termed kind of a cultural imperialism That streaming services like netflix and hulu and amazon prime bring because they literally just Lose a You know a country with content that might not be Local and thereby kind of diminishing any kind of local cultural content But you know, it's it's more of a culture issue than a tech issue But like, you know, france and germany of both stipulated that netflix must have at least 30 Kind of local not just local language, but local kind of content in their library Um, and it'll be interesting to see if more country is kind of uh signed up to that Because you know for Right. Yeah Yeah, if If you're a country for example with a language that isn't widely spoken Outside like the three biggest languages in the world are mandarin english and spanish, right? Those are the ones that are spoken across uh by the broad largest number of people But you know in parts of central europe, you have languages that are very distinct But it's spoken by maybe three million people at most or like in the baltic states Maybe a million people at the most and you you have a cultural identity you want to keep But when you have all these you know blockbuster movies from the us or bbc productions Are it also in english and stuff they they kind of they make it very difficult other than just taking their content and translating it to to kind of I get the argument is to properly Uh showcased or at least tell your stories your your national identity stories or your cultural stories So so do some countries refuse that because of like, you know, we don't want all this Content because we want to make we'll make our own content or we want to Yeah, you know the way i mean france used to uh, i'm not sure if they still are but they used to be very kind of gung-ho about like, you know Not just limiting but you know actively kind of pruning what comes into the market and stuff Uh, yeah, it's something that's still going on in france now and it it lends itself to how Powerful I guess or potentially powerful that that that certain geographical regions would find something that like netflix because it's sort of like Okay, if you want to compare netflix to colonialism What was the show that put you over the edge? um, but but but I think it's it's easy for Somebody like me to be like I don't totally understand what's going on here I think that there are some merits to this this argument depending on where you live and it I'm not sure what the what the answer is. I'm not sure what netflix can do about it besides being Yeah, uh, you know, they've been very I mean to to netflix credit They've been very proactive in making more local productions Whether they be like, you know the local in german french right Uh, you'll notice on netflix. There's a lot of Non-american content whether the the show the shows are like from, you know, various bbc shows There's spanish, you know from spain, but also latin american, you know shows Not just telenovelas, but you know comedies movies and stuff like that. You can actually search by region And it's very interesting because You know, you know a lot of scandinavian times. They're just the best shows Yeah, well like scandinavia offers up a lot of kind of crime dramas Which is you know the whole kind of what do they call it scandinavian noir scanduar or whatever I don't know Never heard of that for crime shows You know, there's like a spanish There's a really great spanish sci-fi kind of show Where like, you know, it turns out that spain has been the keeper of these doors That allow people to go back into time and there's a whole kind of time bureau Around this so it's existed since like, you know the 14th century And it's it's it's very fascinating because it's not just about, you know Them telling a spanish version of like, you know, doctor who or something but You know taking a a concept and looking at it in a different way that You know, you know like an american would look at Totally different, right like we want giant robots, you know We want spacing and it's coming through and some of these like well, no, you don't want a lot of that You just want something very subtle, you know to make it more impactful instead of having it over top, you know cg fest kind of thing and it it's it's definitely, you know, it's one of those things to ponder as tech companies Not tech companies, but technology allows such easy access To what used to be very difficult to get cultural content, right before you would have to be limited to whatever you know studio or A production company would have the time to translate the movie And then find a local arm to distribute now you can just do it online, right? A lot of people watch the good place, even though I don't think it's in the couple languages But you know people dub it or people like add Captions or subtitles to it Like anime is the huge one, right? There's a lot of anime that isn't in english There's an entire army of anime heads around the world to do nothing And if you watch dub, you are the worst person ever to them because i'm a i don't care I don't want to read when i'm Oh, I will fight you Because I will not watch anything dub. I can't do it. Give me subtitles. I want original contacts I don't I don't like the voice of Of goku the the original japanese. Well, I can't I can't stand the voice. I want the american voice. I'm sorry Yeah, it's so funny. Um that way back in the day. I have um some family who um Lives in switzerland and my swiss cousins who are you know around the same age as me They were this was during the mid 90s when seinfeld was huge, you know, everybody liked seinfeld It was the funny show. It was a you know cultural phenomenon the whole thing and it in in switzerland in germany It was dubbed it wasn't subtitled and it did not translate It just didn't you know and the two of them were like sarah, can you like we we don't understand why the show is funny? It's like really weird and like not that funny But we're we're aware that there's some there's something being you know, there's it's missing in the translation And I was like, yeah, that's a very good point. It's like you can't actually it doesn't work You may remember any examples of what what like what some of the things that didn't translate well Do you remember I don't I mean think of any seinfeld joke who would be really hard to explain in another language Yeah, that's a good point like one of the things yeah, but I think that that you know, that's something that we're still struggling with today It's like are you know, how does translation happen where? The context it might be comedy or something else is not lost and it is it's difficult And you know sometimes you need to even in same language like if it's a British or Australian production sometimes you need to know Kind of a little bit of a country's history or even a history to understand some of the jokes because they're in jokes Right there like if you make a reference to Nixon Chances are most Americans would understand it, but maybe not a lot Americans would right like if if someone does this Like like the whole thing I'm not a correct thing. Yeah Yeah People might not understand that and it's weird because like when I watched Simone or sim one the movie about the totally virtual actress and I think it had Al Pacino Or it's like the like this really flustered frustrated movie director He's tired of actors being snotts and it came out like in 2003 I I watched it in Japan with a Japanese audience and it was subtitled Japanese There are a lot of jokes, but that the audience was totally not getting that I was cracking up that because It was dubbed A joke is like you don't just translate it and everyone's like ha ha super funny like half the time It's like I don't know what that meant Not that it wasn't funny, but like I don't understand the context of the joke But I've certainly seen that in in other languages as well So for titles, uh apple does it about facebook? I like that one. I also liked, um Uh These boots were made for tracking. Oh alphabet puts itself in your shoes Again, right? Yes different different, uh, different, uh I like for that for that or break the tie Well, I like the one the boots are made for tracking But that that's done done. Okay, well Done it's Friday. If you don't get any views don't tell me about that. Let's keep it simple and have some tacos Yeah, I can't eat tacos till tomorrow Why I'm on a really strict, uh, like six six six days Saturday is my day Tomorrow's the cheap day tomorrow's the day. Yeah It'll wrap my body up and then slam it back in if you want to learn what else revs. Uh, Lamar's body up Stay tuned, but for our youtube viewers to see you monday back with tom married Good one, right for the great week. Wow I like that