 I know you say you coming up and MJ was one of them guys. Tell us the first time you met MJ. How was it? He did some bullshit. The first time I met him, he walked out on the court and he walked straight up to me and go, hi, it's Dorothy. What? He said hi, it's Dorothy. That's my mom. Oh, wow. I couldn't play the whole game. I'm going to be happy by my mom. Yo, JJ, like that. Like, boy, I know your mama, boy. That's like when they say, try to get someone with a smile. You got me. You got me. He walked up to me and asked me, how my mom? How my mom? That's amazing. You was the name. You know, I went in the program and saw my mom name with Dorothy. You know, I went in the program and used my mom name. I think I scored eight points. I was at 24. That's crazy. What did he score? Mike asked by my mom. Mike asked by my mom. You got him. You got him. You got a chance to play against, see MJ in college. You guys are in the league at the same time. You're, you start to see him build his legend. Any great memorable matchups or stories against MJ you could share? Well, you know, MJ, he always like, well, I would say, you know, I would like to fuck with you. You know, you know, he just, that's just who we are. What's one another, when we come in contact, I mean. Well, the trash talking in the league, it wasn't much for me. Anyway, you had a lot of guys that talked trash, like the Gary Patons and those guys and then Michael Jordan and those guys talk a lot of trash. And man, you know, he always tell you, especially when he was playing the game, even off the court to this, to this day, you know, walking around, he'll put his hand up high, trying, you know, for me to give him a high five. And I'll put my hand down low. And then you come down and give me a low five. So it's just, it's just the way we can compete. I mean, compete against one another. Now, there's a story out there about you and Jordan. And Jordan being nasty to you in some way. Is that story true? What are your feelings on MJ? We have one series where you got now where, or since we got internet, folks are asking me about trash talking when we played against the Vols in the series. And they thought that Michael called me a midget. It was some stuff that's going on in the internet where they say that he called me a midget. Saying that, you know, you literally midget. But, you know, those type of things, you know, they don't affect you. You know, it's just the game that we plan. And that, you know, those type of those things that come out, you know, we really call them a black cat. You know, so little things like that, you know, that's part of the game. Well, people want to keep making up stories, but that's the internet story. Really? Yeah, it's the internet story. Even though MJ always joking me calling me Law Feller and all that type of stuff. And they felt like he had some kind of impact, which is not true. He always called me short, Law Feller. Yeah, even the Law Ass. He always called me Law Ass and that sort of stuff. So we plan against them. Of course, he got the ball. He just came back from retirement. He got the ball up in the air. And I'm about him. I'm playing on the baseline one-on-one. And of course, everybody in my team know that I don't like help. Don't come to help me. Where the guys don't come help me. Because, you know, no back and try to back me down because guys ain't used to playing back to the bats anyway. But anyway, this particular moment, and I guess it became infamous because he got a card as I went holding the ball up and I'm looking right at him. I see it. And I'm talking shit to him. And I'm talking shit to him. I'm telling him, come on, what you going to do? And then all of a sudden he started to try to back me in and try to back me in and try to back me in. And then all of a sudden he tried to turn around, shoot his little jumper. I smacked it down, but they call illegal defense on somebody. Because they wasn't in, they was on across the line, but I always fucking with that time to, you know, you know, there was a steal, don't you? You know, we don't play with each other back and forth. That's what I do. You know, that ball, that ball defender, I'm gonna make you think about that when you got that ball in your hand. So he wasn't unusually, he was a competitor and would talk trash, but the same way he did to everybody. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, I think the internet story was that he supposed to have called me a midget. Yes. That's the story of the internet. He was supposed to call me a midget. That destroyed my career. I don't know what that, but once you heard that, you fell apart. After my 10th year in league. Yeah. And that would have been the first time someone had made that joke, too. The first time someone had made that joke about me. Come on, that's true. Your man from Baltimore, people have said word. Yeah, it's man from Baltimore, absolutely. What do I think about monkey boats? Five, three guys, playing in your baby, with these guys. I can see that he is fit to be a one-determination thief. No matter how big you are, you can still play with the big guy. How did you react or what did you think when Michael Jordan referred to you as a little bitch? I never did it because he said, what's up you little bitch? Did the first time he saw you, didn't he use that expression? I remember the first time saying to him, I couldn't believe it, man. We was at the All-Star game. The NBA's best and brightest shine in prime time at the All-Star game. Sunday at 6 Eastern on NBC. That had to be my rookie year. The year that they gave out, they did the top 50. Yeah. Don't fool yourself, bro. Go ahead and cut all this shit up. Don't fool yourself. Best sentence to come back. Come out of Georgetown. The morning said, he was the best. No. Dr. J, he was the best. He been winning a black hole. But we're going to win. We're going to have to win a black hole, man. But he don't pass? No, you know he don't pass. And I was, I think I was coming off the court from something and I saw him and they were getting ready to go on because he had his jacket on. Ladies and gentlemen, please direct your attention to the court and welcome the 50 greatest NBA players of all time. Yeah, he caught me with a little ****. And he just grabbed me. It's a photo out there with him having me like in a headlock. And he was just like, you know, what's up you little ****? I'd never forget it. I looked at him like, all right, man. What do you say back to that? Because it's somebody you're gonna rock with. Nothing. You just got to eat that, all right? Nothing. From the Chicago Bulls, number 23, Michael Jordan. It was no disrespect in it. And then I didn't take it that way anyway. I was just happy for him just saying anything to me. And it was this exciting moment for me and it was something that I treasure for the rest of my life. Hey, I ain't never looked at a person in my life. I ain't seen a million celebrities. I never looked at somebody that didn't look real. Anybody that know Allen obviously know Black Jesus was it for me. Like the goddamn guy was glowing or something, man. Man, I never forget my first time I talked about it in my Hall of Fame speech. For the first time in my life, a human being didn't look real to me. And I, you know, I wasn't lying at all, man. He didn't look real to me. And like I literally seen his aura. Like it looked like he was, it looked like he was glowing. Like, you know, I know I was starstruck. I know I was starstruck because like I looked at that man and he didn't look human to me. I can't stop looking at him. Like I'm looking at his shoes and I'm like, man, he got on the joints. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, it was, it was Mike. It was my idol, my hero. I'm looking at him like that's him. You know what I mean? I'm looking at his socks. I'm looking at his joints. You know what I mean? Like I was, I was blown away. That's what I tell people. The very first time I met him, I was on an elevator and I'm looking at it and he probably looking at me like, this dude, I know who he is. He's like, when he, look how he's looking at me like, I'm like, he's like, he was levitating. He didn't look real. I'm like, man, it's Michael Jordan. It was like, it was like up to my, it's the closest thing I, you know, in the Bible, they talk about how the disciples, they saw jeep, they saw jeep. And it's like, he don't even look out to this day. Every time I see him, he don't look real. I've never, I've never been like that with a man before in my life. Because I love him so much. And, you know, it's still like when I see him, you know, he don't look real. He's like, he got a, some type of, a glow about him or something, a aura, you know what I mean? He just don't seem, he was the only person in my life that I've ever met. And he don't look human in it.