 Okay, well the atomists think they're improving on both Empedocles and Anaxagoras all right not even not just merely in terms of You know in terms of particles of forces. I mean that's something but there's something else, too Empedocles and Anaxagoras they Didn't even think to address the problem that permitties. Yeah, permitties brought up about nothing So they're quite happy to talk about distinct objects without ever addressing this problem of nothing How about the atomists? What do they do to respond to the problem of nothing as given by permitties?