 We are now joined by the beautiful Paul Dooley, the sexy Frank Conniff, and the Middle-aged. Gorgeous. Kathy Ladman. Hi, Kathy. Hi, David. Sorry to keep you waiting tonight. That's okay. This place is like, I had no idea what I was, what this was like, this whole endeavor. So Hornet's Nest of writers and comedians and actors. Crazy. My husband just texted me and said, is this a podcast or are they rewriting Hamlet? And Frank said both. They're punching up Hamlet. Does he have to die at the end? Let's have it be more upbeat. Can he be a little more decisive? For long as you're talking about this, I want to mention something. My wife is the author of Wicked, one of the writers. She wrote the dialogue. Oh, cool. Winnie Holtzman. Yes, I know. They're planning the Japanese version. They have meetings with Japanese people with interpreters there. And it was so funny because you'd think Wizard of Oz is known throughout the world somehow, but it's not as much well known in some countries as it is here. Even though they know something about it, but it's not a big obsession like a lot of Americans. So the Japanese people are saying, why a girl have to be green? And they say, why, let me look at notes. Munchkins must be small. Why little go throw water? So these questions were so funny because we know it so well. We think it's life. Eventually they came around and we made them understand. They were made to see what the story was. This is a terrible thing to say. That's why I'm going to say it. I would figure in Japan they'd say, what are the Munchkins so tall? Of course, that's a... The truth is there's one Munchkin in the whole story and he's just a short normal guy. There's no hitches, there's no dwarves, there's nothing. He's just one Munchkin. I don't know how they get by with that in the land of Oz, but they want the focus to be on the green girl and Linda the Goodwin. Well, in Japan they changed the title to Dorothy versus Godzilla. I think this is a rich topic and it's the perfect storm of jokes. If I weren't tired right now I could think of something about what would the cowardly Ryan want? That's the Irish word. College. It's funny they sing it all in Japanese and they come to one word and they say, popular, because that's a key word. I want to see that show. I want her to take my daughter actually to see it. The production. She's never in their adolescence. She'll adore it. She's eight. Is she too young? No, she's not too young. The production in LA is supposedly really great. Kids who come to the show, there's sort of between some of them five until about 16, they come back three, four times. I don't know how the parents can afford it. Really? But they insist and they come back and it really touches people in adolescence who don't know who they are and who they're going to become and they're anxious about they no belong and which is true of almost everybody. Right. Even once we become 40 or 50. But they just identify with this green girl so much. She'd be like the only black person in a culture. The only Jew in a culture. In a Jewish culture she wouldn't be the only green. There would be plenty of greens. Also the scarecrow would, if he was only good at math, that would be his. My brain is not working. Here we go, David. I know you've been thinking about this the whole time, right? It's like it's like a pop. What is the scarecrow? What is the scarecrow? It's like a popcorn. Well, the scarecrow had invested in tin. So, Kathy, the holidays are, as I think Robert Benchley once said, around our neck. Oh, that's brilliant. Well, you know, I was raised Jewish. Really? My husband. Yes. I'm going to, I don't mean to interrupt you. The late, great, I'm sorry, but I have not talked about Christopher Hitchens at all because it's too difficult for me to talk about it. Especially with a woman in the room because he thought they weren't funny. No kidding. That's right. He was really, yeah. I mean, I was talking to Frank about this earlier that that that that always really was really hard for me. You know, that he wrote an article about why women aren't funny. And it made no sense. You know, I never read the whole thing. It's why women couldn't be a CEO and women couldn't fix the motor of a car as it takes intelligence to do all these things. It takes intelligence to invade a country for the, for based on lies, which is something he supported. All a woman needs to be a comedian or a comedian is to be angry like all the other comics. Here's a base of fury. You have something you want to. Is that true, Kathy? Are you angry? You're very funny. I am so angry, but I turn it on myself like many, many. And that becomes depression and anxiety. Yes. Christopher Hitchens. It's a beautiful thing. I have I have conflicted emotions about Christopher because I knew him. He used to come and be a guest on a show that I worked on. He used to come in every year and I would sit at his feet. And this was in the 90s before he supported the war. Right, right. I was in awe of him and he was very generous with his time with me and I'd ask him questions. And one of the things I said to him with a group of people and I was very subservient to him and I was about to make a statement and I had a parenthetical. I said, now, I don't know if you know, I was bomb Jewish. He goes, just stop for one second, please. Don't don't destroy the one shred of mystery that I have about you. That's pretty funny. And I just fell off. But I mean, it was such it was so cutting and biting. Well, I mean, he was brilliant. I mean, he had like many brilliant people. He wasn't always popular. But, you know, it's very it's very hard for me to fawn about him when he said something that it was so personally insulting to me. So now the holidays are upon us and you have a normal Jewish family, right? You have a wife and I would assume you are celebrating the holidays just like any normal Jewish woman. Right. Oh, let me take my apron off. Right. I am married to a Jewish man. No, I'm you know, I am married to a man from Minnesota who was raised. His religion was is called Swedish Covenant. What's I shouldn't say it's his religion. He was raised Swedish Covenant, which is some kind of, you know, that's one thing I don't understand about Christianity because, you know, when you're when you're a Jew, you're basically a Jew. But when you're Christian, there's like this there's this myriad of sects. It's up for grabs, isn't it? It's I think it's sort of like when AT&T split into all those companies. I mean, they all give phone service. If only their acquisitions could be blocked. So Tom is from Minnesota. So this would be like a Lutheran spin-off? Yes, I think like Phyllis. Right, exactly. She was a Lutheran. And she was in Minnesota. Russia, your husband was named Lars. And then we have a little girl. And she's Chinese. Is Tom, is he religious? I would assume he's not. I get atheist off him. Or contempt or contempt for religion. Contempt, definitely contempt for religion. I mean, he and I because I definitely got contempt for Jews from him. So I figured he's just contemptuous of all. That's only in the past two years. So you have a daughter who's part Protestant? No, she's she's she's one part Jewish. She's not. We're not religious. I'm trying to figure out what the joke is. She's part Asian and part Jewish. Well, basically, here's the joke. This is the joke that my when I was in New York, I was talking to my aunt and my aunt said, are you going to raise your daughter to be Jewish? And I said, no, we're going to just raise her to be a good person. And my aunt said, that's terrible. How about she's part Jewish and part Chinese, which means she has a Chinese meal. And five minutes later, she's hungry to complain about it again. All right. I was working on something. Yeah, it's I'm an hour later joke. So Milan Milan. Yes. Am I L.I.N. Am I L.I.N. And is that an Italian name? No, it's not. It just so happens that it came out that way. But what we did is when we were she's adopted, by the way, when we were getting ready to adopt her, we were putting to, you know, trying to figure out a name. And did you go to China? Yes. We did go to China. Everybody does. They don't have takeout here in America. I get all these menus for kids at my front doorstep. And you believe it and it wasn't fast also. It took a good, a good couple of years. So we put, we just chose syllables that sounded Asian. And then we put them together randomly and we came and we liked Milan the best. It does have a beautiful sound and a nice rhythm, you know. But the people in Milan will be surprised. I know, I know that it's not Italian. She's eight. And when you said she was adopted, I'm thinking, oh, no, I thought she came out in the delivery and we said, oh, look, she's Chinese. I had no idea. Although Sunday nights really added up to something. And she is really funny because we have a menorah and she really, we celebrate every holiday that comes down the pike, basically. And she, she started putting candles in the menorah last week. And then she put a candy cane in the menorah as well. She, she just likes everything, which I think is so great. That's reform Judaism. Right, right. The menorah. That's what he, I don't want to say. He was a reform rabbi, well, very reformed. He was a Nazi. Is she going to Hebrew school? No, we're not religious, David. Not religious at all. Did your kids go to Hebrew school? Yeah. I, you know, I figured it's important for kids to have some religious background so that when they're in their teens, they can rebel against it. Did you go to religious school as a child, Paul? There were no religious schools. I'm from West Virginia. There were no religious schools. But they had church, right? They had church. I was, my parents were Baptists. So did they go to church every Sunday? They being my mother, yes. The father never went. I think she only went to see her sisters and her nieces and her cousins. So it was more of a social thing. Yeah. And at the end of it, they would go nearby to one of her sister's houses or one of her relatives and they would schmooze all day. They didn't call it schmoozing. They weren't, it wasn't about religion, really. Right. No, I was not very religious. Most I'm agnostic. And Frank, your father used to blow up churches in Alabama. He did, which, you know. He was against integration. You come from royalty. You come from journalistic royalty. Well, my, well, I don't know about that. My father is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. He wrote for, he worked for Hearst Newspapers. He initially distinguished himself as a war correspondent in World War II. And when he came back, he had a column in the Journal American, which was a newspaper at the time I was just talking to Paul about. And, you know, he traveled all over the world and, you know, interviewed all the world leaders and everything. So he led a very, and also knew a lot of people in show business, which the friend of Phil Silvers and Jackie Gleason. And he hung out at this place called Tootshores, which was a very prominent place. Tootshore is my uncle Toots, not by, not by blood, but he was a great family friend who came over to our house a lot. So I think that was actually kind of one of the things that got me very interested early on in, in cocaine, in cocaine. You know, booze, actually. Tooting, tooting. What's interesting is that there's not one reference in the Bible of a disciple called Tootshores. He was the one who was too drunk to show up for the last supper, actually. He said, hey, Jesus, you crumb bum. You know, it's interesting that Frank's dad want to pull a surprise, and my father owned a bowling alley. It's a small world. He and anyone, the Nobel Prize for bowling. He did. And my dad, I was always intimidated by his Pulitzer. But then when I was nominated for a Cable Ace Award, it's like, OK, I finally passed your dad. Your dad was a war correspondent in the Pacific Theater, the German Theater. In the Burlesque Theater. In the Burlesque Theater, yes. Which theater was he? He was in Europe. What did he see? Did he go? He saw a lot of action. I think he was followed. I want to know what he did. Patten around, I think, for a while. And I think he saw some of the concentration camps, too, when they were being liberated. And his Pulitzer was for interviewing Chris Jeff in the mid-1950s. And yeah, so he was just a very active. You're very respectful. I can tell it's interesting. You are a deviant when it comes to comedy. You will go in it. But I can tell that you really do respect your father. Well, the odd thing is I kind of respect that he didn't spend any time with us. Because I can see how much more fun his life was. I could see how he wouldn't want to go to Neurochelle and just be a dad at home. You don't get no Pulitzers in Neurochelle. Yeah, right. When he could be at touch shores or he could be hanging out with people. He could be traveling and interviewing people. I mean, there are photographs that I've seen of him with Kennedy. Yeah, he was very, very good friends with Kennedy. And did he give you writing tips? Well, he actually, that's the thing is I didn't really know my dad that well because when I was very young, he got very sick. He had a stroke. A large part of my childhood was kind of after his career. Because he had me in his 40s. He had me like relatively late in life. He had me at Pulitzer. He had me at Jello. So he was very infirm for a lot of my childhood. He was confined to a bed. And then he died when I was pretty young too. I was like 13 when he died. So I didn't really know him that well. I didn't really have a lot of experiences with him. He did take me to see a Batman at J Stadium, Adam West. He was at J Stadium? Yeah, the height of the Batmania. They did a tour. Like a Q&A or something. No, they did like a whole thing where the Batmobile came out onto the field at J Stadium and Batman was there and Bert Ward and Frank Orson as the Riddler did stand up, actually. Turns out the Riddler was an impressionist. He was. Riddle me this Batman. How can I get on the Sullivan show again? At J Stadium, there were 50,000 people. You could fit that many, but it was, you know, it was just that was at the height of Batman's fame. And was there hysteria there for them? It wasn't like the Beatles, probably. It was, I think a lot of the hysteria was just the novelty that my dad was doing something with me. You know, the hysteria when we went to Shays Stadium was how much they charged for a hot dog. That's what really set my dad on fire. Yeah. Now, you looked at it financially. Your dad owned a bowling alley in Massa Piqua Park, Long Island. How did he get into Massa Piqua, Massa Piqua Park? Amity Phil Kopeg, Lindenhurst, Babylon. Exactly, you know the line. The Long Island Railroad conductor. He owned a bowling alley. Yeah. So you must have been swimming in shoes. Well, first of all, it was 25 miles from our house. And so I only got to go on occasionally, and I would get to take a friend on a Saturday, and it was the best. I mean, we would work behind the shoe counter, and, you know, we'd give out lanes and rent shoes, and then we'd get to bowl, and then we'd get to eat lunch and sit in the bar and watch the color TV, because we didn't have a color TV at home when I was a kid. And then we'd get to work behind the lunch counter. I mean, it was incredibly fun. It was incredibly fun. It's a lot of fun for most kids to go to work with their dad or their mom and see that world and have fun there. Yeah, I remember when I was a kid, my dad taking me, he was being interviewed on the Barry Gray Show in New York, and he took me with him there. No one in my family was involved with bowling alleys, although I had an aunt who was very promiscuous and had a league night in her house. How's your game? What's your average? Not good. What's your average? You know, maybe I break 100. Oh, you should be able to do better than that. David, it was 25 miles from our house. Do you have your own bowling bowl? She has an even better record of renting shoes. I am very fine. And in fact, I'm wearing a size eight narrow now if you'd be interested. When a building goes down, when you hear the sound of things crumbling, does a tear come to your eye and you say, Daddy? As a matter of fact, the first house that I ever bought was right behind a bowling alley. And it was actually soothing when I was going to sleep at night, hearing the balls hit the pins. You know, I could hear, it was a very faint sound. And it was really nice. There was a joke in the Woody Allen movies that he lived, his parents, they lived above a bowling alley and their parents argued so much that the people in the bowling alley would complain about them. I just... I don't remember that. You know, I saw the PBS documentary about Woody Allen. I loved it. Loved it. And you know, Zellig, when it came out for, I don't know why, Woody Allen... You kind of didn't get it or something. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't like it. I was, you know... I saw it the day it was. But it was not like his other movies, really. And I said, you know, I should re-watch that, because the name Zellig has become part of our vocabulary. And I started watching it. I go, this is one of the best movies he's ever made. I watched it like two nights. It was one of my favorites of his, absolutely. It was a break, though, from his pattern of the neurotic kid from Brooklyn or whatever. It's actually... There's a very sweet love story within that movie. It's a romantic comedy, in a way. The scientist, right? The scientist and Zellig character, yeah. Sweeter than any of his actual marriage. Yeah, that's right. Did you see the documentary on him on the PBS? No, I know that guy. He, he directs Larry David. Yeah, right, right, right. His first documentary is The Mark's Brothers. And his production company is called Why A Duck. Right. He's a good guy. And he, I don't think he's directing Curb anymore, but he did a lot of those in the first few years. Yeah, he did Mort Saul. Yeah, I saw him interview Albert Brooks at a writer's guild event. It was, he was, he was... He's very knowledgeable about comedy. Yeah. All his life, he studied that. You know, one of my favorite parts of that documentary was that they were showing, Woody Allen was talking about how Diane Keaton, whom he calls Keaton, is like one of the funniest people that he knows. And they show the scene in Sleeper when, you know, he's sort of become one of the assimilated part of, the assimilated into the society that loves the leader. And Diane Keaton is now one of the rebels. So they capture Woody Allen and they're trying to break him from his brainwashing. And the way they do it is they set up a dining room table and she and the other guy, the other rebel, are holding scripts and they're making believe that they're Woody Allen's parents. And they're talking in Yiddish to Woody Allen, except Diane Keaton's Yiddish accent is terrible because she doesn't know how to say it. So she goes, eat your hot salt water and Woody Allen is like cracking up. And I've never seen, you know, I've never seen that. I've never seen a Woody Allen blooper before. I know it was great. And there's our next sketch. How it takes from a Woody Allen movie. And then they show it like, they try it like three times and he can compose himself and he goes, okay, okay, let's go on to the next scene. And it was just really interesting to see him going from the actor who's having fun to putting on the director's hat and going, okay, we got to move on. Right, right. You know, we got to get down to business here. And it was really interesting. I loved it. I think if you guys are like me, you're having the trunk of your car or somewhere in a glove compartment, CDs or DVDs you want to listen to, but you don't always get to them. Recently, for the first time in years and years, I listened to Woody's nightclub act. Oh, really? And it's incredibly good. There's a new movie out. I got a screener yesterday. I hadn't heard of it. It's not very well known. It's an independent and no names in it, but it's called In Darkness. I've heard of it. Yeah. And it's about a guy who was a sewer worker and also a small-time con man and burglar and shady guy. But he took in a bunch of Jews and let them hide in the sewers of whatever German town it might have been or maybe Poland. This place is a cesspool. Yeah. We haven't read it yet, but we haven't looked at it yet, but my wife and I are kind of interested. What's it called? In Darkness. In Darkness. And is it a German film or an American film? I can't tell, but I believe it's foreign. There are a lot of names in there that seem foreign. It doesn't seem like a French or anything, but... You have worked with every director. Have you? Not every director. But you've worked with everybody. I've worked with you. Well... No, I only worked with Robert Altman and... What about Woody Allen? No, no, no. Did you ever get called in to...? I auditioned a couple of times for him. But you knew him when he was a stand-up, right? You didn't do... Were you at some bills with him? No, I didn't know him. I had a writer who wrote stuff for him. I stand up back in the days when people wrote for stand-up. Right. Which he did, too. And my friend and he had been at this special place up in the Poconos called Tamamint, where every Saturday night they did an original review. I was at... There's a twin place, a place called Green Mansions in the Adirondacks. And I was there with Carol Burnett and our staff lyricist was Sheldon Harnick or Rick Fiddler. And every week they write a new review and we do it on Saturday. So I did meet Woody once to shake hands with him to visit my friend at Tamamint. In the documentary, they show photos and talk about Tamamint. Tamamint was the home of really all the people that ended up on your show of shows. See if he was there, Howie, Imogen... That was the training ground in those days, right? Absolutely. That's everybody home there. And many of the writers and every Labor Day, the big agents in New York would come to on a Saturday they go to Tamamint and see the best of for the season. And the next day they would go up to Green Mansions and Upstate New York and see the best of that show. And frequently the very best of show would end up the next season as a Broadway review with Sid Caesar and people like that. But everybody was there. Additioning for Woody Allen, what is that like? Well, I didn't notice it when I auditioned for him. It kind of wasn't looking in his eyes really. I'm looking at the reader who's the casting director. But I've heard later that he doesn't want anybody to look at him. Don't look him in the eye when you meet him. You know, so the casting director is reading with you and whatever he's seeing, he's seeing. But once I met them on the street and I knew Mia Farrow because I played her father in a movie called Wedding. And I had met Woody to say hello a couple of times through my friend. I passed them on 57th Street. And as I passed them and I said, hi Mia, how you doing Woody? And they just, you know, right. I was just like, nobody. They just thought another crazed fan that we can't stop and talk. Hardly even looked at me. But I spent eight weeks with Mia Farrow doing that movie. Wow. Paul, who directed Breaking Away? His name was Peter Yates. He's an Englishman. Oh, of course. Right. Yeah. And the guy who wrote it was born in Yugoslavia until he came to America 12. Steve Tessich? Steve Tessich. Yeah. And his brilliant script and he won the Oscar. And Peter Yates, by the way, did a lot of other great movies, including one I recommend, The Friends of Eddie Coyle. Oh, yeah. I love that movie. Yeah. And his big hit was Bullet. Bullet, yeah. He was very versatile. He did a lot of different kinds of movies. And I learned a little later after I worked with him that before he became involved with movies or the theater, he had been a manager and an agent for racetrack drivers. So he was living in a world of automotive things. Oh, wow. Then he became, went to the Old Vic or one of those Shakespearean companies, became a stage manager and went up through the ranks, became a director. But whoever, whatever he did, that was obviously a wonderful movie. It's a cult movie now. Yeah. You were Minnesota. Yes. You were Minnesota for a while. And I'm exotic in Minneapolis. You know. But Minneapolis is my favorite city. It's a great city. It's a great city. Frank, I lived there for 10 years. It's a great place. You were picking bugs off your body. I was. Well, it's sort of like a Jew in Gentileville or something. Yes. I mean, it's a very white city. It's a really white city. They do have a black population. Very ghettoized city. It is. I mean, it's not heterogeneous at all. The blacks live in North Minneapolis. The Jews live in St. Louis Park or Highland Park or Golden Valley. And we were living in South Minneapolis. I mean, there are so many churches there. There are. It's a land of 10,000 churches. 10,000 drug rehab centers, which is how I ended up there. Yeah. I mean, it's a very progressive city. Yeah. It's pretty. The lakes are gorgeous. And the people are great. The people are really intelligent. They're so great. Very intelligent, very progressive. Is that where Tyrone Guthrie had the theater? Yeah. That was the very first regional theater I believe. There used to be an improv company related to that somehow. Oh. One of the earliest improv companies was around that same theater complex or something. Yeah. I think that's the name of it. Who was Tyrone Guthrie? I know that the Guthrie Theater. Well, the Guthrie Theater is. But I could think of Arlo Guthrie. So, but who was Tyrone? It's the same guy. It's just a nickname. I think he was English. I never met him, but I read about him a lot. And he was black, right? Tyrone. Just because he's Tyrone. And his brother, Afro Guthrie. Anyway, he had a very big reputation for that regional theater. I think at some point he did some directing there on Broadway. But I don't know much about it. Yeah, he was a very, I believe, very well-known theater director Broadway in London. Yeah. And of the regional theaters, it was one of the most respected. And it's still, I mean, it's still. Still is, yeah. And the audiences in Minneapolis. Grace, yeah. It's heaven. It's grace. I land every time. I go there once a year and my shoulders just drop the minute I get there. Because it's just so relaxed. Yeah. The people are kind. I guess it's because of the weather. There's, you look at people in Minneapolis, when my car breaks down on the road, is this person going to help me or kill me? And I think they just put out a vibe. Now I'm the guy who will pull over and help you. Right. But if I see you in a restaurant or something, like I'll avoid your eyes and it'll be really awkward if we have any kind of like regular conversation. And I'll be very aloof. But if you're in trouble, I will drop everything and help you. Right. That's very, that's good. That's very true. Half of that is like auditioning for Woody Allen. The helping party. Now why were you in Minnesota? We were, we were fixing our house here. But you've been fixing that house since I've known you. Yeah. Well, it's, we're no longer fixing the house. You've accepted it. The house is gone. I mean, it's still there, but it's not ours anymore. And the house has to want to be fixed. The house should have gone to Minneapolis. Spain Newt or if you're listening, Spain Newt or your home. It was nice. It was nice. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of good comedy there too. And you know, of course, when Frank was there and when Tom, my husband was there, comedy was great. I knew your husband before you did. I know. I know. Back in the, back in many years. Some of the greatest comics have come out of Minnesota. Oh yeah. Louis Anderson came out of there. Tom Arnold, Jeff Cesario, Frank Conniff. Yep. All the guys from Cinematics, Titanic. There's Winstead. Joel Hodgson, right? Yeah. And then... Mitch Hedberg, God rest his soul. That's right. Mary Jo Peel. Mary Jo Peel, yeah. Eddie Canto, Fanny Bryce, they all came. What is this Lowry side? I used to tell people when I went to New York, I was born in the Lowry side of West Virginia. Well, before we wrap it up, the new year is upon us, 2012. A year from now we'll be looking at 2013. What would you like to change? We'll start with Paul. Maybe my knees will feel better when I climb stairs. And Frank? I would like to have said this time next year, wow, 2012 was so much less stressful than 2011. I would love that. But I think people are discovering, or rediscovering you, right? It's funny, I think that because of the internet, because of Twitter and Facebook, I have a presence in whatever the public, and I use that term loosely, that I didn't have before, and Cinematic Titanic too. But that's like my old Mystery Science Theater fans. But I think now because of Twitter, I do at least one joke a day on Twitter and Facebook. And I think I've built up a little following from that. And I think there's a whole bunch of people who know me from that more than anything else now. So that's kind of interesting. Yeah, and the podcast. And the podcast that I'm doing this show, doing Jimmy Dore's show. I mean, you know, creatively, this has been a really great time for me. I mean, doing this show has been a real, has been a blessing and a treasure. And doing the other things that I do around LA and stuff. And on the road have been really great. You are, you know, your name comes up for Frank Conn. I mean, people are in awe of you writing. I wanted to ask you two questions. One is, can you write a sketch for next week? The outtakes from a Woody Allen movie? I made a note that would make me. The other thing is, have you thought about blogging? Have you thought about blogging? Have you thought about blogging? I used to blog. I used to blog on MySpace back in the day. I had to have a concept for a blog before I could blog. And I had a thing for a while called the Pinkberry blog. And it was all based on, I would go to like, whether I went to Pinkberry that day or not. And then I would use that as a jumping off point to write about politics or whatever. But I did that for like several months, the Pinkberry blog. I spent 2011 trying to figure out what blog meant. Just for a moment, let me tell you a great Gelbart line. When Larry Gelbart passed away, they quoted some of his lines in his obituary. One of them talked about age. He said, the first thing to go are not your knees. It's the word for knees. Oh, what a great line. That's great. He was. He also, I heard someone said, maybe Paul, you might have even told me this. I'm sorry to be said. Someone said, Milton Burl was at the Paramount. Yes, but his cock was at the palace. What would you like for 2012? You're not going to want it to be on your show, what I have to say. Is it negative? Too maudlin. Is it negative? It's not negative. It's just kind of serious. Oh, go ahead. I just would like to be able to be happy and accept myself. It's not funny. It's not funny. I don't think that's in the card. That's not in the card. Why would you accept yourself? Yeah. Maybe this program will help. But you're a comedian. You mean you don't think it's possible? I think why would we accept ourselves? You might lose your funny. I don't know. You know, I don't know if that's true. I think, do you accept yourself? Not really, but I also think that talent is talent and devotion to talent is devotion to talent. It can be helpful to your art, but if you're a happy person, and I'm talking purely hypothetically in the realm of fantasy here, but if you are a happy person, I think your talent can still be applied and you can still do great work. You know, I think it's a bit of a myth that you have to suffer for your art in terms of poverty and, you know, poverty is the worst thing in the world for your art, because all you're thinking about is money all the time. You're just worried about money. You can't concentrate on what you want to write or what you want to do. So the idea, that's a complete myth, I think. And I think it's also the idea that you have to be unhappy for the rest of your life to be creative is, I don't think is necessarily true. I mean, I don't want to have to cut off my ear. Although I hate my ears to tell you the truth. I'd like to cut off both of my ears. Self-loathing leers. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Great. Great, Kathy. Thank you, Dave. Thank you.