 This is William Taylor, Taylor, former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine and senior military analyst and retired Army four-star General Wesley Clark, former NATO Supreme Allied commander. General Clark, I want to start with these 8,500 U.S. troops. What is the purpose of a possible deployment like that? I mean, is it really just to send a message to Russia or are there actual tactical reasons for it? Well, there might be tactical reasons, but the first purpose is to send a message to Russia. It's a message of NATO resolve. The 8,500 U.S. troops that are on alert would be matched by at least 8,500 troops from our allied nations. And there's nothing that signals resolve better than deploying troops. Now, if you want to make a difference, you've got to put airplanes in. We need a NATO composite air expeditionary force into Romania. That way we could actually backstop our allies, and we could prevent any spillover of Russian actions in Ukraine. But I suspect that will come. I'm sure it's being planned. Master Taylor, I mean, thus far do you think Russia is engaged in diplomacy in good faith? Is it a stall for time? Is they apparently are moving more troops into position? As you know, I don't think you can say it's they're operating in good faith. What they have been doing is they've been willing to sit down and talk with first Deputy Secretary Wendy Sherman and President Biden has been involved, of course. Secretary Blinken has been there to see the foreign minister. So they've been going through the motions. They've got demands, as your report just indicated, that are untenable, that are not serious, that will violate principles that NATO and the United States and European Americans have lived by, which is a principle of sovereignty. We're talking about Ukraine as a sovereign nation. It gets to Jews. And this proposal, these proposals from President Putin, would deny that clearly. General Clark, I mean, part, you know, one of Russia's huge concerns is Ukraine joining, ultimately joining NATO. And there is a path forward for that, for Ukraine. How likely do you, I mean, do you think this, what's happened, makes it more likely that down the road Ukraine would be allowed to join NATO or less likely? Oh, I think it makes it more likely. I think what Putin has done is energized all of the alliance to recognize that we need strength and resolve to cope with Russia. You know, when we started NATO enlargement back in the 1990s, we actually invited Russia to join. Now, Russia wasn't quite there as a democracy, but we were prepared to work with it. But the Russians insisted no, they wanted to view NATO as an adversary. I went to Russia. I talked to generals over there. They told me we want our countries back in Eastern Europe, so they're not your countries. And this is the fundamental problem. So is Russia negotiating in group faith? Well, they certainly want anything we'll give them. But this is about the structure of the world, whether nations have the right to choose, whether a nation's borders are sacrosanct, whether other nations have the courage to assist in that nation and self-defense if necessary. Putin's raising all those issues. He's headed to get an answer he won't like. But he does have the military power to cause a lot of damage and kill a lot of people. I hope he doesn't do it. Yeah, Ambassador Taylor, from your knowledge of Ukrainian forces and their capabilities, and obviously it's been bolstered over the last several weeks with different kind of weaponry, what would an invasion end up looking like? I mean, we've talked to some people who say this could be another Afghanistan for Russia. There's such antipathy toward Russia among parts of Western Ukraine and elsewhere. What do you think are the capabilities of the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian forces? As in the Ukrainian military is much stronger, much stronger today than it was when Russia invaded the first time in 2014. It's better led, it's better equipped, it's better trained, morale is high among the military. And you asked about the civilians, the morale is also very high among civilians. Since 2014, when Mr. Putin invaded the first time, the Ukrainian people have come together exactly as General Clark said. He has generated the opposite of what he was interested in. General Clark is exactly right that Mr. Putin has done the opposite of what he's interested in doing, which is he has united Ukrainians, certainly the military, and united the civilians on East and West, no matter what language they speak, he's united them against him. So they will resist. General Clark is, of course, right. The military is an imbalance. The Russian military is very strong. They will have a battle on their hands, but they could prevail if they decide to go, if he decides to go. Mr. Putin has the decision. We hope he's deterred. We hope that he will cost up, he'll take a look at the cost and benefits and decide it's just not worth it better to sit down and have that conversation that President Biden and Secretary Blinken were talking about. But if he does go, if he is not deterred, then he will have a fight on his hands. First with the Ukrainian military, as we just said, but also the Ukrainian people will resist, will fight guerrilla warfare. They will fight in the villages, on the streets, in the towns. It will be very difficult. It will be a former defense minister that General Clark and I both know said that the Ukrainian military will make it hard, but the Ukrainian people will make it hell for an occupier. General Clark, do you agree with that? Absolutely. But you know, Anderson, we've got to make one other point here, and I know Ambassador Taylor will agree with me on this. What Putin's doing is illegal. It's against international law. He's behaving like a war criminal. And you know, we need to go to the United Nations and call him out for it. He will become an international pariah. Russia will be treated as a rogue state. It's the end for Russia if he does this. We need to make sure he understands that, and then we need to be able to follow through. General Clark, Ambassador Taylor, I appreciate your expertise, both of you. Thank you so much. Coming up next now, now that we've learned.