 Dance everybody. Yo we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yo we gon' talk, we gon' have fun. We be on fire, we be live lit. It's a unique hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. It's a unique hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh. Name another podcast like this. We gon' bring it to the table. Boss talk. Who your girlfriend fave? Boss talk. We gon' do it how you want it. Boss talk. Yeah, everybody on it. Boss talk. It's a unique hustle. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E.C.O. Lovely, amazing official Mr. Maker. What's going on? None, none. You know my day of work going. Man listen, man. Before you get into it, don't forget to like, subscribe, share our content on all platforms. We're on TikTok, Facebook, IG, YouTube. We are now on Patreon. That's where you're gonna find our full length interviews after a while. We just prepping y'all for this because YouTube will not be carrying it after a while no more. But for a small membership fee, you can see all our full length interviews before time. Just to let you know that on our Patreon channel. Boss talk podcast 101 on Patreon. Man, let me do a special shout out, do a special shout out for the coffee bean tea leaf down there. They gave me a cup of ice for a dollar here in Las Vegas, Nevada. Everybody else was trying to charge me three, 15, two, five, 75. So, you know, plus some ice here. This young lady that I stayed and talked to when y'all left me gave me this cup of ice and she says, always a dollar. I said, you'll get my business every time I'm at this hotel. So, man, shout out to coffee bean tea leaf. And that's that good ice too. Man, hold on. That's the fire ice. Say, man, listen, man, this guy. That's so good. Listen, this guy right here don't need no introduction, y'all. If you guys have watched Boss Talk 101, this guy has been on the show before. This is gonna be a second time, man. This guy right here, man. He got a lot of West Coast stories that he about to lay on us today. We going in. This guy right here, man, don't need no introduction. If you from the West side. West side. You already know what it is, man. Clay Payback saying he's in the building. Yeah, man. I'm back, man. I didn't strike twice. Man, I'm glad to see y'all again, man. You know what I'm saying? I don't get interviewed like that, you know? You don't? No, not like that. Not like that. I mean, you know, I do my thing. I'm like buying a seat. Man, I just love the way your energy is. Shout out to Kenyatta, man, y'all. Yeah, my brother. Give me a positive wear, cool. Love y'all brothers, man. Like for real, for real, man. I appreciate y'all. Y'all always show me mad love and respect. And it's been real with y'all. Like I really be, you know, on some real conversation type, you know what I mean? So it's just, you could tell you guys was raised in good homes. Sorry for the loss of your dad, you know. You know, me and him talked through that. You know, I was going to be talking the whole time. So it's just an honor and a pleasure, you know, to be them being a part of you guys' legacy in your life. Man, I appreciate you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never forget it. You know what I'm saying? I never forget it, man. Every interview I do, people be like, you get this guy, you get that guy. But the ones that count the most is the one that touched my heart. And you guys, y'all touched my heart. It's a difference, bro. It's a difference. Thank you, appreciate it. So let's get into it, man. We're gonna get all in your business, man. I want to first start off by saying, don't run up on everybody you think, because size don't matter. I heard about the little Asian dude that kind of get you up back in the day. I don't want to just go there, you know, that Asian persuasion. Oh, yeah, yeah. He had to do something, do a little deal with you. What happened? What happened? I want to hear that story. Man, did he do them karate kicks on you? Hell, yeah. What did you do? Why would you test an Asian kid? Just little kakas, you know, I'm bilingual in English. Ebonics, I kind of like go back and forth. Now you did? Be limited with it. This little Asian motherfucker, he looked like Jet Li or something. She was little, skinny, probably like 100 pounds wet, but he knew Jujitsu and all, whatever, I kind of lose shit. So we was gang banging back in the day. You know what I'm saying? We had our little gang bang talk, right? We was gang banging, and he was down with some old other side. And we was like, man, y'all must be some punks. Y'all must be, for you to be in it, you little motherfucker, you know what I'm saying? And I just kept talking shit to him one day. He said, man, he saved one more thing. I guess his dad whooped his ass to you better fight him next time he say something. And so his dad said something to him. He was coming out of school and he looked at me all crazed, like. He came up and he was like, whoa, what the fuck are you doing? I put my hands up, see you want some of this? He dipped down to the ground and swung his leg, like right above the ground. Not too high. Hit my feet, I want to find it here like Charlie Brown. I was like, oh, shit. I just, I was like, oh, shit, I don't want no part of that shit. What the fuck was that? Man, I got off it, man. I'm cool, I'm cool, whatever, man, whatever, man. It left me alone. Man, you know, that's the thing about it, man. You never underestimate your point. He never answered. Who you hear that story from, my brother? Was that the first and only time that ever happened? That's the only fight I ever lost, but that was like, I didn't think that was a fight. It's been like 10 years or something like that, little kid. I think right after that, went to New York, I got these relatives, like Nino Browns, like the real Nino Browns in New York, right? And when it was Ramell, Ramell beat me up. He said, man, you a punk, he did something to me. I was like, oh stop, he beat the hell out of me, right? And then I went home, and I was like, after I got hit, you feel like getting hit ain't that bad. Next thing you know, I'm fighting everybody. I'm beating it, I beat up the school bully, I was beating up everybody. Like what, wow, knocking people, T5 was crazy. I turned into a monster, beginning to calm down. You just love fighting, right? You should have just went into boxing right after that. I should have, that was good, man. So, man, let's talk about the West Side for a minute, man, you know, I've been actually interviewing a lot of people, right? And, you know, people tell these stories about like Tupac, like I just interviewed a guy, shout out to Regent Wright, and he was telling me about this story, and I just, you know, when Tupac died, like you was out, and you was on the West Coast, or was it like? Yeah, I was on the West Coast, man. And when that era was going down, like how was the temperature between the East and the West Coast to you? Did you really feel like there was beef between East Coast and West Coast? Would you, like at that time, because you go to New York and stuff, were you playing a little different at that time, or were you just steadily just going like nothing was wrong? I went out there thinking that was wrong, because I thought it was just death row and bad boy, but it did trickle down. And so I was playing bass for Easy Mo Bees Brothers. Easy Mo Bees produced all the biggie, biggie records. So his brother, LG, was producing the Illinois Scratch. Okay, so they flew me out there and we was in a popular studio, and their studio is where Tupac got shot at. So this studio has different floors, got different studios, that whole building studios, you know what I'm saying? But in the middle is a lounge area with a pool table. And so I wanted to play, you know, I played pool and shit, I get down, you know what I'm saying? So I want to go down and whip somebody ass. I go down there and there's Wu-Tang playing down there, motherfucker. It's like 50 to the motherfuckers. It ain't just the Wu-Tang like 10 of them. It's like 50 to the motherfuckers. And so they all down there and they, yo, can I get in there? Oh, this nigga ain't from New York. You know, he ain't here with the sun, you know what I'm saying? They look at me, they say, where you from? I'm like, where you from, son? I'm like, yo, I'll smell like West Coast, you know what I'm saying? Is that right? You can see everybody's like, I was like, oh, shit. I feel like a nigga at a cooks a clan bar or some shit. I looked at me crazy. I was like, oh, shit. I said, you know what, I'll be right back. I left that room. I was like, whoa. So you knew the temperature was different? I said, oh, I'm cool, man. I ain't going back down there. Hell no. So you moved different after that? Yeah, but in New York, yeah. What was crazy about New York? You know, the gang bang too out there. And I was out there like, fuck it. I was wearing red chucks and red, like this shit you can't wear in LA. I was flamed up, red shirt, everything. That's crazy. And then there's blood out there, it's tripping on me. Oh, why the hell? But I don't think, and then I was down with the West Side Connection with Cube and everybody. I'm playing on the records and I'm with them. And West Coast didn't get any respect as rappers. I thought we were country slow, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that we were mad, like we gangsters, you don't talk crazy about us, we beat your ass. You know what I'm saying? So that, I think, the disrespect on that level with the West Coast, East Coast, I think was, that's so much territory. Yeah. And man, I think the West Coast, East Coast was just respect of rap, rap skills. I don't think, you know, if I went to Brooklyn, I would get beat up just because I'm from LA. And I don't think somebody from Brooklyn would get beat up, I don't think a damn cringe show. I got to jump into something real quick. Fast forward, and, cause I know people who go through this situation all the time, right? And I'm trying to figure out, have you ever had this situation? Since it's Valentine's Day. Have you ever had, were heartbroken? Were you, have you ever had to walk in on a situation where you saw something that you didn't like? Or did anybody ever walk in on you in a situation where? I heard about this girl, I'm gonna say Ella, what was her name? I think, I know how, I asked her, I asked her. Oh, yeah, I said, I'm beating your ass. I heard about that. Yeah, I heard. My old brother said to me, oh man, I heard what you heard about that. You know, let us in on that level. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get to. Yeah, you know, you was your, you was your, you was your own. And why did you do that to her? You cheated. I had never cheated. No, what did you do? I had never cheated on nobody. That's not what I heard, but keep going, tell me the story. I heard somebody walk in. You couldn't think of a name, really, he was, he was really tough. I heard somebody walk in and caught you in a certain compromising position with somebody else. Yeah. I had never cheated on somebody and I had never had nobody. And gone caught. You was young, man, tell the truth. A new female came home and caught you. It wasn't at home, it was at his house. It may have been a daddy house. The daddy house. Oh, oh, oh. That's what it was. That wasn't cheating. That's what. Why, why? K-1. Yeah, that's it, that was it. Hi, K-1. So what happened? So, my dad, this is fucked up. My dad get mad at you. Remind him of this shit. So he has this coming of age thing and so my dad's like, I want you to experience drinking with me and talking about sex with me first so I can teach you some shit, right? So you invite all this partners over and he sits with me with a bottle of Jack Daniels, right? And he has a cup here and I have a cup. He said, you gotta drink whenever I drink, you gotta drink. I'm like, all right, cool. And he played his game. So you ready? He take a sip, I take a sip. And then somebody said, yeah, Clint, when you get older, I'm doing like this. He's filling up my cup. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And then I look back there and say, all right, take a sip. He take a sip and I take a, somebody else say something and he fill a cup up. I'm fading like a motherfucker. Ha, ha, ha. So he's all right, we're gonna watch the teacher about sex. So he take me in his room. His room is the only room at the house I had a VCR. So he go in his bedroom and I was potting going in and they put in Vanessa Del Rio. She getting down and says, that's called head. And this is called this. Ha, ha, ha, I love it. Blah, blah, blah. When you get a girl and do it like this. They're walking you to it. They're telling you do it like that. And you do make sure when you hit it, you hit it like that, man. And they telling all kinds of stories that, you know, your brother was born when I was hitting your momma like this, you know what I'm saying? Ha, ha, ha, ha. And so they try to educate me on sex and shit, right? So I end up throwing up and passing out and all that type of stuff. Sure. So the next day was the street scene in LA. And so they block off Hella streets in LA and they have stages and people perform Stevie Wonder and shit like that. So you are smart food, it's shit to buy, whatever, right? So I'm fated, but I knew they was going to the thing, right? I don't think I got alcohol and porn tape. I'm calling my girlfriend. Ha, ha, ha, ha. So my dad's like, come on, let's go to the thing. I was like, oh, I don't feel good. I ain't like I'm not looking. You're pretty silly. Yeah, I don't feel good. I don't feel good. Can I just lay here? He's like, ah, yeah, all right. So you probably gotta hang over it. Yeah, yeah, I gotta hang over. He's like, all right, we'll be back. Hella, I got a phone. Hey, baby, get your momma. I had it been like 14 or 15, 15 probably, almost 16. I ain't half a driver's license. Hey, get your momma to drop you off over here right now. So I got alcohol and porn tape. So she come over here real quick. We started drinking and shit, and we getting paid, you know, you're young, you get little hormones getting gone. So we go in the room, we start watching porn. So we, my dad's, we sit in my dad's room, we in his bedroom. We sit on his bed watching Vanessa Del Rio, right? Drunk. After a while we just started kissing and shit. I got up under on his side of the bed and we got butt naked and got the freaking, you know what I'm saying? So I'm knocking it out. All of a sudden they came back. And so his wife at the time was like, somebody in here, it's a girl, that's me in a perfume. She ran it through the house. There's only a two bedroom thing. She ran in the room, ran in the bedroom, slid, like, hey, get out. You know, we got a bed. I was like, oh, shit, we gonna put in the covers, butt naked. Oh, yeah. Right before, I'm skipping. Right before that, I'm hitting it. No, I didn't do it. Shotted in the bed and then I came to the door. Oh, you made a mess. They came to the door, right? That's when they came in and they busted and shit. That's when Kenan was with him. Yeah, yeah. I said, Kenan, look at your brother. I'm like, I'm under the covers and shit. Kenan's like, oh, you're naked. He walked into the bed about to pull the cover back. Pull the cover. If you don't get back to this bed, I'm gonna beat you up. And back up and I was like, y'all get the hell out of here. And the girl's on the bed. She's crying. I'm like, oh. So then they left. Let us get dressed. Right. And the girl was all embarrassed. So she ran out of the condo, ran out of the condo, went downstairs. It was like late at night down like eight. And she's running down the street. We can't find her and shit. So I run down the street looking for her. And then I find her and walk her back and calm her down. And my dad, he came downstairs to, you know, he's like probably like, all right, son, you know what I'm saying? And this girl was thick. You know what I'm saying? He was like, all right, boy. So it was like a father's son, little mommy. He was like, man, I know you was having sex, brother. And I said, my son, all right, you know how to pick him, too. He was like, all right, next time, you know, I get your rooms and condoms. And he said, you don't want your girl pregnant. You know, but yeah, I'm glad you know what I'm saying. I'm sure you would have used that life. It was like, oh, okay. So I want to take you and your girlfriend, your girlfriend. I want to take her back home and whatever, whatever. So you proud of it. Yeah. So you're like, son, you know what I'm saying? All right. So we dropped the girl off and stuff. And then, you know. What did the step mama have to say? She was crazy. That girl left the house and when told to mom, we dropped the girl off. No. Girl got out the car to mama. That's right. Yeah, takes her through the house and beat her up, you know what I'm saying? And whooped her, like, with parents. Man, I didn't find out, like, later. So look, so we talking, we in the car. He's like, yeah, son, you know, I'm glad you like girls, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? We really gotta worry about that shit now. He was like, I'm like, girls, you hit it. He was hitting it. Did you do what I was telling you? He was like, all right, all right. So we're getting in the condo. It's all late, lights off. I guess the wife is in the bed, right? So my dad watched me to my room. He said, all right, son. I'm glad we had this moment. Father and son, right? He's like, I love you. I love you too, dad. He's like, all right, talk to me. And they go into the room. Remember? He's on the side of the bed, man. And they go, I'm two minutes late. And he was like, clear! He was like, he ain't ready to hit it! Be my ass. Oh my God. Man, that's hard, man. Listen, listen, man. In the cold part, you sleep naked? He ain't ready to hit beer bags. Man! Oh, man. So, man, but those are memories, man. So I wouldn't cheat, man. And all the girls, you know, would be mad. Yeah, you wouldn't cheat. That wasn't me, because I tell them I wouldn't cheat? No, that wasn't me. So, like, when you think about just coming up in LA, I'm going to get back into my stores, you know, going on that West Side Connect, you know. Shea. Ice Cube, you know, I always like to bring him up. The big three and all the stuff that you guys did together, man. What were the things that stick out to something that he related to you that you kind of take down memory lane every time you're doing business? Oh, he told me the reason why I am here doing what I do still is because he told me, him and his brother named Shorty, Shorty was from the Lynch, might be past. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Shorty and him would put me in the corner and just drill me with black history to give you confidence as a black man that you can achieve anything. He said we can invent history with the hieroglyphics and we'd build the pyramids and he would just drop bombs on me. We did air conditioning, we invented this. I don't like to air for real. But he said, anything, the only thing that's safe to shoot different from anybody doing anything is what they know. If you know what they know, you can do what they do. That's all. That's all. And I was like, oh, shit. So that's why now I engineer my own sessions. I play all the instruments. I do everything. Cause I said, man, I just want to learn whatever. And anything I get into, now I'm in the TV and film. Now I know the directors, I know all what they do and I know how to shoot and do locations and scout and cast in and everything. So he, him saying that, and I told him that that recently that, you know, the only thing that's safe to shoot different from anybody out there that's doing anything is what they know. If you learn what they know, you can do what they do. You want to be an astronaut? Learn how to be an astronaut. You can fly a spaceship. You know, something like this. I was just interviewing Lanzo Williams and he was telling me that out of all, out of Dr. Dre, out of Wren, out of DJ Yellow, out of all of NWA, the only one that really just keep showing him homage and showing him love is ice cream. He always show him respect. He always say that Lanzo don't get the just due that he feel he deserve because if it wasn't for him, you know, it wouldn't be no NWA. So how did you see Lanzo when you seen that whole movement happening? Cause he had, you didn't go to that club, did you? Eve after dog. Yeah. What? Give me Eve after dog story, babe. I ain't got no story to have. I hear about all them girls that used to be there. Well, you know, he ain't gonna tell us nothing to do. Well, I think I went once or twice, but it was 16. Was that your side of town though? I was, no, no, no, that's calm, that's way. So that wasn't your side of town? I'm French, y'all. So how you end up over there? UNLA, you hear about the shit, you go check it out. Wow, wow, was it everything that they hyped it up to be? I mean, it was cracking. It was like, for the younger crowd, we didn't promote our own stuff. So it was nowhere to really go to, you got like 21 or older or whatever, but everybody was going there, it was cracking. What about, so Dr. Dre, I don't know if he was there at the time when you, you know, DJ, you know, they had the whole. He was probably there. He was probably there, real talk. That's when I went, when he was popping, popping. Yeah, yeah, cause they had the record crew and turned off the lights, you know. And my girl, Miss L.A., before you turn off the lights. Go away. Produced by my homeboy, Layla, man. Layla produced that? And wrote it, who just passed through. No, Lonzo said he wrote that. Not the lyrics. Yes he did. Did he wrote the lyrics? Okay, then Layla did the music. Layla did the music. Which, right. Cause, well, they probably collabed it cause all of them was over there together, man. And people don't understand that. He say his house was the closest thing to the house for the year. Like everybody, you would be amazed at the people that was there cause they wasn't the people who they are today. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? So I think that's fly as ever. He's a legend, man. Yeah. He set it off. He did, man. And that's it. He set it off. Think off of him. Yeah, yeah. So when you look at just the whole movement on your side of town, who are some of those people that stick out over there where you was at that was during that time that he ended up blowing up crazy outside of yourself for us on your side of town? My homeboy, Pockets. Okay. He did Bonnie and Clyde. Okay. Yeah. Yo-Yo blew up. Cam blew up. So Yo-Yo was from your side of town? Yeah, she was, well that's so much my side of town like Normandy and Century. Okay. That's not too far at all. Dom Kennedy. Okay. Him and his, he had a group called 10 West. Okay. And they were very just starting to have bees to have nothing. They had a studio and they would come right into the studio. And I saw talent in him and I tried to get him in on a subway commercial. Really? We did it, but it was some reason they didn't like it. What we were talking about, the way we did it was some little small thing we could have fixed, but they didn't tell us they went to somebody else real quick. Wow. But the subway, everybody's mom was probably turning something in. Yeah, yeah. But he was tight back then. And it was like the 90s, the early 90s, he was tight back then. So your era, you got Don Cornelius doing Soul Train out here. Did you ever run into those discords? The one who was dancing on the show? Oh yeah. They were homies. Okay, so give me a, I mean, we interviewed Alex Thomas and he showed up. This boy showed us, I went back and looked, man. He put the letters together on the board. He had a box and he come through doing his thing, man. But he was one of those guys and I was like, man, you never knew that Don Cornelius was working with people who turned out later on. Turned out to be great stars, comedians. Who was another one that sticks out? Do you know anybody else that? Yeah, the Good Girls, remember that song? Don't Weakness. So it was Joyce Scott, Joyce. And DeMonica. Okay. I forgot the name of that group. She gonna kill me. But they had a dance group and my sister had a dance group and they used to battle all the time. Really? Yeah, I've been knowing Joyce for the longest but it was Varsity. I mean, Bowl they get lose. A whole bunch of them just like celebrities. You know what I'm saying? You see them on Soul Train and you see them at the club. Yeah, that's what they say. That's the boy. Yeah, he was on Soul Train. He was like, you know, they popped the cops. What about when you think about just during that, that whole time going from the disco era into hip hop, you know, how tough was that transition? I always tell people, I said, man, we took our parents from in the South. We took our parents from whether it be, it could be something as simple as Teddy Pennegras or it could be something as Stephanie Meals or it could be Luther to, hey, we want some. Oh, say. We took them to, I was told not long ago, too short, don't stop that rap or either ice cube, jack of a beach, you know what I'm saying? Like this was a whole different. Yeah, bitch is the bitch. All that, like they never, that's a whole hard transition if you think about it. Am I right? Yep, yep. It was, we were exploited back then. We exploited now. It's like these used companies that say that's shock value. What are you saying? Oh, that's crazy. We'll put it out regardless of how it's gonna affect us. They wouldn't put out a Jewish kid saying, hey, yeah, Yama, whatever, you know what I'm saying? They ain't gonna do that, but they'll do that with us. It was just like, all right, who else got something shocked? And you'd be thinking, oh, I gotta go to the street. I gotta say something crazy. So at that time, everybody was saying something crazy. So when the Elf the police came out, what did you think about that when NWA had dropped that? Q, when you, the NWA, that whole record and hearing Q's voice, because he's mad. He's, you know, you see his face. He just looks like one of them crazy ass L.A. niggas with a Jerry curl that had just buzzed. But he's giving you a picture of what everybody's going through, so I felt what he's saying. I'm getting jacked up by the police. I got four or five stories of me getting jacked up, bunged, gunshot. Give us a shot. What happened? Give us the worst one. The worst one. Man, I was, they're all bad, but it's, what was the first one? I'll give you the second one. Okay. Just to show how off the hook fucking L.A. was. And so it was dead on my prime. So I'm on the prime age, we're 16, 17. So I went to the cleaners, picked up my little, dry cleaning for the after party and shit. I'm gonna pick up my tuxedo from the Fox Hill Mall. So the cleaners right next to the gas station. So I had a little Nissan Max, you know what I'm saying? So I pulled in the gas station. It's before pay at the pumps. You gotta go inside, pay a little money for it. Right after some time for the day. I'm pumping gas. I have a flat top. I got a members only jacket on. I got your bogeys. I'm a fly nigger. You know what I'm saying? The cops look at me, mad dog, me and the nicks and they're pulling the drive with the gas station. I'm pumping gas. I'm gonna fuck this. Pulled up on me, jumped out of the car with guns. I'm like, but yeah, it's there. Ooh, I'm like, oh shit. You know what the fuck, turn around. The felony take down, you know, like your fingers put them behind your head and walk back to the car. And they point the gun at you until you get to the back door. I'm like, 16. I'm like, oh shit, about to pee on myself. They give me the cars. Whose car is this, man? Where's your registration? And I didn't know the game. It's in the car. We had the right to go in your car. I was like, yeah. Thinking they're gonna just get the registration. I'm gonna fucking search my shit. Got the throwing shit out like disrespectfully as a motherfucker. Do my cleaning out, basketballs, my little cassettes. You know what I'm saying? With a little weak ass case, they breaking and shit. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm cuffed. Shut the fuck up. Another one hit me with the chest with a belly plug. Shut the fuck up. I'm like, man, what the hell? He gets the registration. My mom was terrified of me being in the streets because of the police. Not because of the Crips and Bloods, but because of the police. And so she had photocopied my driver's license and insurance and registration. Put them in a zig block bag. So they were protected. They had no excuse, you know what I'm saying? Protected from getting wet. So then they checked everything. Then came back and they were like, ah, he looked at his friend and was like... He ain't got nothing. He ain't got nothing. Let me go. Then they threatened me. Yeah, you're lucky we don't impound your car. Get your shit out of here. And I wanted to talk shit and... What's your name? You know all that type of shit. But when he said that, I'm like, I need my car for the after primes. I didn't know what the fuck's gonna happen. So I just let him go. Wow. So I'm on Crenshaw. Anybody know LA? I'm on Crenshaw and Adams. So I'm going south on Crenshaw to Slaslin and then going to the Fox tomorrow. So I get near to Crenshaw walls. So that's like 40 blocks down. Another motorcycle cop pulls me over. And this was the same day? Same day. Right after that. I just finished pumping gas. I'm going down the street. 10 minutes later, that motherfucker motorcycle cop pulls up on me, tells me, get out the car and all that shit at gunpoint. Sit on the car and talk to the crazy fuck. Stop right. This is why some black folks would just do something crazy. Right. Because of that. So I sit down. I'm like, what the fuck? He said, you look too young to be driving a car. Let me see your ID. Everything is a ziplock bag. I ain't even put the shit up. Shit's on the front seat. Here it's in the front seat. And he looks at it. Okay, you just look too young. That's you. Okay. I'm sorry. I said, man, will you talk to your motherfuckers talk? I said, God damn, this is the second time, man. Fuck, why won't y'all? He pun guns at me and shit like that. Shit on boys in the hood. Yeah. That's who exactly what I was thinking about. That's three times a one day. So this is the third time. And these are all white cops that are starting? Black, black. No, it's white. The first one was white. The one, the second one was black. And the third one was black. It was white and black cop. So I get back in the car. And so that's, it was like 46th street. So around 59th is where Slosson's at. And so, and this is so ironic. So I, I'm, I'm at Crenshaw about to make a right. And I look at my mirror, I say, a police car flying through traffic with a slice off. I said, you must be after somebody. So let me get out of his way. And so I make it right. This motherfucker fly right up on my bumper, hit the lights, turn, pull over. I pulled over directly across the street from Marathon from Nipsey Hustle Store. I remember the winning snitch. Yeah, the winning snitch one. So he asked me to get out of the car. I'm mad as fuck. I looked just like Kubo Gooding did when he got home after the gun, the cop with the gun to his face. And Neil I was like, what's the matter? He's like, man, I got the car. Just feeling, I cried when I see that scene. I got the car. I was crying just like, I'm tired of you motherfuckers, man. Pulling me off of the fucking gunpoint. What the fuck are you gonna do, man, God damn it? I still have my Ziploc bag. I ain't put it, I ain't put the motherfucker down yet. It was about like- This is the third time you've been stopped. The third time within five minutes. Within five minutes, within minutes, just. I ain't put it down yet. Let them alone put it in the glove compartment after the second car pulled me off. They must have planned it. No, no. So I pulled over, got out of the car. I put it on the roof of the car and the dude was like, damn. He's like, all right, you just look too young to be trying to be cool. It's all right. We ain't gonna do nothing. I said, man, fuck y'all. Y'all talk, man. I'm like, I'm mad as fuck, man, on the roof of the car. Look at the shit he looked at. He said, you good, you good. I said, man, if I get pulled over, I'm gonna motherfucking talk to you, man. I'm tired of you motherfuckers, man. I'm crying and shit, motherfucking. I'm 16 years old. I had guns put, seven, eight guns put me in that. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, motherfucker. Do you think that the Rodney King incident helped or hurt? Do I think it helped? It didn't do shit. You don't think so? Hell no. See, my dad's a civil rights attorney. So I've been hearing about shit. Police abuse, man, since the 60s. You've been telling me, yeah. When you was born in 68, this happened and that happened. He's got a thousand stories. So then we thinking, okay, well, finally we had a shit on tape. Now they can't dispute that shit. And they still got off. So when they got off, that day, when the city erupted, what did you, where were you at? Were you looting? No, I was, actually I was with Ice Cube. Where were you guys at? We were at the studio at Echo Sound. I had to do something. We stopped to watch the verdict. And we watched the verdict and they said, not guilty, get out guilty. Cube looked at me. He said, man, they better tear this motherfucker up. He said, man, I'm going home. Wow. Like, fuck this session. It's over. Let's go home. Go home. I was like, all right. So I went home and shit. I'm seeing him watching the shit. And I'm seeing Reggie Denny get beat up. And then I'm looking outside. I'm seeing smoke everywhere. I'm like, oh, shit. I said, man, let me just, I don't know what the cops are going to do. I was like, could they get away with murder? And so I was like, I'm gonna stick my ass here. Visually, I did go loot. Not the first date out. I was like, is it cool? Y'all get away with shit? Like one thing is still in U-Haul trucks and then rolling up the circuit city and. That's TV. That's TVs. Everybody's getting ready. Everybody's getting cracking. Do you have cameras? Everything, man. I went out and got a little something. So what did you think when Tupac actually came and when he came to death row? And that whole movement of him getting out of prison. Cause I was like, did Jimmy Irving get him out? I know I'm hearing, I heard that, you know, they collectively got him out. But to see him come to the West coast and him drop California love and come how hard like they did with two different videos. I think it was two different videos. Yeah, you did the remix. Layla did the remix. Yeah, what did you think about that? I thought, I worked with Tupac before all that. Oh, you did the underground? I played, no, he was. Me against the world. Run that time. Run that time. After that album. Okay. He had Thug Life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sure did. So I'll play, so he'd be an echo sound on Interplan base for a couple of songs. But he would, he would, he's, that dude is, he's ridiculously talented. He's probably the most talented rapper period ever. Cause he'll, he'll, he'll be like, all right, what's the song about? And go in there and lay that shit and then double it, do exactly the how he just did it, cause he just wrote it. Them songs you hear, he probably did it in like five minutes. I was like, God, this fool, he's a fool. And he'd just be like, I'm done. I'm gone, see y'all niggas later. He'll pen it that fast and be out. He did a verse for E40. I was in the studio and I was playing Miss Pac-Man. So I was on the first level. Poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo-poo. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. I said, let me finish this game. I'm thinking he gonna be there for a minute. I'll catch up with them niggas later. I probably got to the, the blue level. Yeah. He was done walking out. And I thought he was just going to the car and he forgot something. He couldn't have been done that fast. And everybody's in there going, God damn, oh, shit, you that shit. Oh, God damn. I was like, what the fuck? I ran in there. They're like, damn. And they play that shit. I was like, damn. I mean, they got laid in shit already. You see, he wrote that shit right in my face before he was tripping. He wrote that shit and got on. He gone. He left. I was like, damn. It had been five, 10 minutes. Wow. So you dealt with. He's stupid, man. Man. But I think the, the one other part that, that, that it was his demise should, I was fucking with sugar in the 90s. I've been in fucking with sugar, big West. A lot of, it's a lot of gangsters who, who was going around. Now they got money too. And they feel like they got power. And they got all this influence. I hear everybody down to do whatever to be with them. That they just monsters. So he would, he was the biggest monster. He was sugar. He was the biggest monster with all this money death row. And he got all the hitters from fresh out of jail, his homies and the shit. He was just like, they just do anything, talk crazy and everything. So they pump a two pack up. Cause two pack quiet. Two pack at this. He was quiet. You ain't the dudes you saw, like when he came out of jail, he quiet. If you, if he was here, he'd be in the corner somewhere. He's, he's chill. I've always seen him in clubs. After I played bass, we kind of knew each other. You know what I'm saying? Now he did. What's his movie? He did gridlock. No, he was Bishop. Oh yeah. Yeah. I got CRS, you know what I'm saying? Bishop, you know, the one, he was the killer. He was the killer. He was Bishop on there. The first movie he did, the one that, what's that one? Oh my, it was in there. But what's the name? He say he juice. Juice. Juice. Juice. Juice just came out. He didn't even know Suga. I know Suga. I knew Tupac. Them niggas was not talking to each other. They didn't know each other. And at that time, but Suga was a super monster, you know what I'm saying? But Tupac was quiet off in the cut. Nobody knew who Tupac was like that. Wow. And so he just in the cut. He had his little brighter orange, everything, but he just laid off in the cut. So you, whether it was cool, were they around each other during that time? They didn't even. In the same area. Okay. It was like one of those Jack the Rapper or some kind of music convention. I knew who everybody was, but he didn't know Suga. You know what I'm saying? But he was quiet. My point is when he did get to know Suga and he did get out of jail, now he's out here turning up and then we fucking, these motherfuckers up and we just stabbing the other. You know what I'm saying? That's how he got involved with a boy who snatched. Orlando. Yeah, Orlando. They whooped his ass because he snatched somebody's chain and something like that. Tupac was like, we gonna, you know what I'm saying? We gonna beat him up. That went Tupac like that. You know what I'm saying? Not that far as I know. I ain't gonna say like, I don't know him like that. Well, it's hard for me to say that because he did shoot 200 a couple of cops before this. Yeah, he ain't no punk, but he wouldn't go around. He wasn't just looking for the problem. He was looking for the problem. Right, that part. He was no punk. He had no punk in him, but he wouldn't, the type, I don't think, and I think in that environment, because even Snoop, Snoop, who was laid back, was like, yeah, they could fuck Uncle Luke. Yeah, nigga, easy. But he's talking Snoop now. He like, nigga, I love them niggas. Puffy, I love them niggas, but he has grown with death rowing in and you gotta kind of follow with sugar zone. And that's the LA shit. If I don't fuck with somebody, you don't fuck with them. So when sugar was doing, cause sugar was, was sugar, like he rolled with the power rules and bumped the money. Yeah. So what's the difference between the power rules and just the regular bloods? Is it just the areas? Just the areas. The whole gang shit is just location. That's all it is. So when you think about the sugar, that was that run, cause they say he played sports early on. He was playing for Las Vegas. So that sugar was more of a conservative just playing ball. He wasn't banging then. He, I don't, I met sugar at the beginning. He was doing security for my homeboy, Wes, who was like my first manager. And so Wes was doing this super fast. He was headed security. So you would hire sugar. Yeah. Me and sugar have to roll together to get into the super fast together. So I was with sugar all the time. He a big motherfucker. What was that conversation like? Sugar was like sugar to me. To me, he's bipolar. Cause he can be super nice. He like, oh, y'all, y'all feel me? Come on man, come on to my house. Or if you happen to be in a mall, you wanna watch, you wanna Rolex? Or you wanna eat? I'm treating all y'all, y'all, y'all come on. He's super cool. Is this your mama? Hey, how are you doing? Nice to meet you. Y'all wanna eat? A Rolex watch? Eating is different, but a Rolex watch? Sugar's super cool. And that money. But he can flip. He'll flip. That's why I got him backed up. You've seen him flip? I've seen him flip. When did you see him flip? A bunch of times. We ain't, give me an instance. So look, it's funny, you all interviewed DLC. Yeah, I just interviewed them. I was in him with, so he was managing DLC. Yeah, he was. So me, DLC and sugar were hanging out at clubs. And so it was the palace. It was public enemy performing. And so he said, meet me up at the palace. We gon' get y'all, this is what sugar said, I'll get y'all in. So I get up there first and she's curious, like, yeah, man, we ain't gonna let this person in, this person in, this person or sugar. So then sugar and then DLC rolled up and DLCs samurai. So they parked and went over there and said, hey man, these niggas talking about they gonna let you in. Wow. And so we went around to the backstage and sugar started getting in like, nah, we was told, we was told not to get you in. Sugar like, I'm on the list. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. He said, well, you gotta go to the front. So me, DLC and sugar walked to the front. There's some big country, swole, buff, body big looking nigga in a suit. So he's talking to the guy with the list. And the guy with the list telling him, you know, you're not on the list, bruh, you know, go on so I can, you know, get whatever in. So he catches sugar's eye. So sugar's like, hey. So he's trying to talk to sugar. So sugar was like, excuse me, dudes, like get back, don't touch me. I was like, oh, shit. Sugar said, hey man, I'm on the list, man. Watch out. You watch out. That's all she wrote. Choked him out, peaked his big butt off. Fuck that. Choked his ass, all like, oh, shit. And kept stomping him. Went down the grind, just like, oh, we had to, me and DLC ain't that big. We can't, you know what I'm saying? What club was that? The palace. That was the palace. The palace on Vine near Hollywood. And he stomped out. He stomped him out. He stomped him out. Oh. But all y'all tall. You tall, DLC, you tall, hold him and pull him off. We trying. We trying. Choked big as hell. Choked big as hell. He's six, four. I was in the club. He was a lineman. Imagine the big old dude who was playing football, he was a lineman. He was big as hell and strong. He delivered all his fun. So he stomped him out. He stomped him out. What did the other guys do? They didn't do nothing. I mean, everybody looking scared. I mean, you ain't going to stop sugar. Sugar going, and this is a young sugar. Yeah, so he ain't trying to do it. This is athlete, you know what I'm saying? So he just stopped because he wanted to stop. It wasn't like y'all stopped him. But he stomped. Like unnecessarily stomped. He's down. Nigga, you got him. Did y'all leave after that? You left after that. Y'all to look out. Police come after y'all? We left that quick. I don't know. So let me ask you this. And that was just the first time. Because we see, see, Sugar will slip out. Give me another answer on old Sugar. I like listening to them old Sugar stories anyway. Because Sugar, hey man, listen, man. I don't know, man. His whole movement is just, it's crazy. But everybody knows. I was at this hotel when Sugar walked in. I was at the casino. When the kings on this, you remember when they on this? And everybody started whispering. It's just like they were sugar. They, everybody started whispering. I believe it was me. Jay Prince was there that day. It was like, yeah, everybody. It was, everybody was there. It was, it was a time. This was in like probably 2009 or 2010. This was before he had done beat the lady up on the strip. You remember that? Yeah. Yeah. This was just right before that. Okay. We always, we was all in that casino down there. Everybody used to come to the pub during this time. It was a kid down there named Jay. They used to run around Melville and mess with everything they knew the owners of this. I was here. Right here. Where I always come here. And so basically you could tell, even this was after death row. This was, that was over with. You know that. But they still had their respect. And they still had that. We don't know what he might do. Yep. So you've been in those situations when that sugar was around too. That sugar was around. But I had like sugar, Dick Griffey, West Crockett. They were schooling sugar, right? But they were like, if something jumped off the muscle they gonna call it sugar. Sugar come over and put hands on somebody, right? But he, like I said, he was just, he would, it's like a light switch. He could be laughing, ha, ha, ha, and then boom. What? Like a pit bull on the store. What was the second, what was the second play? Yeah. Give me that second story. I got a bunch of stories, but. Yeah, let's go. One story, he was, I think it was Rainbow Records. It's a distribution company. So we, we had some Beverly Hills. We just came from Archie Bunker, the actor. Was it just you and Sugar this week? Me, Sugar, and the O.C. again or no? No, no. Some other, some other kid, right? And so we went downstairs, like, Sugar's my age. You know what I'm saying? He's just a big nigga, but he's my age. So we, we went downstairs to this, this Archie Bunker had a restaurant and they races in there. And so they were looking at us like, get up out of there. And Sugar just started ordering more shit. Like, fuck y'all, we're gonna stay here no longer. Hey, give us some more shit. And we would just, so he was just kind of like clowning and it seemed like a good move. And then we went upstairs. And so, I can't remember the exact story, but I think somebody asked Sugar who promotes a club, you know, a DJ. So Sugar referred to DJ. And then the DJ, I guess, did the club but didn't get paid. And the DJ had some manager that thought he was hard. You know what I'm saying? So the next day, he's like, yo, your boy ain't paid my DJ. What's up? And he's like, Sugar said, hey man, I just referred to shit. Like, I ain't got nothing to do with it. Dude, you referred him, you got all to do with him. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna break him off. Sugar was like, I ain't breaking that nigga off. He didn't get paid. Y'all didn't hand me off business. That's y'all business. Hey, is that right nigga? Where you at? I'll come up to you right now. Sugar's like, nigga, I'm out there. Woo, woo, woo, woo, bring your ass up here. And I'm like, all right. This nigga don't know who you talking to. You know what I'm saying? So we sitting there in the Sugar office, laughing, playing music, whatever. And then it's like, you get off the elevator. You come through a glass door. You get that rainbow records office. It's a big use office. It has a big reception area. Yeah. The dude came back, came there and she was like, oh, that's that nigga right here. She got a pistol on. So I'm sitting there like, oh, shit. What the fuck's about to go down? And I saw the dude through the door. He was like a chubby dude. So I think he ain't, he's not a threat to sugar. You know what I'm saying? But then he got up and started talking. You can see him. I couldn't hear shit. I just saw him doing this. Sugar was like, uh-huh. He looked around, pulled out his pistol and hit him with the butt of the pistol on his forehead. He fell down the ground. Boom! He just lunged. I was like, oh, shit, ran over there. He beat his face in with his fucking gun. And I had to like, run back and then attack with Sugar to get him up off the motherfucker. Cause he was on his knees, just pounding him, pounding his face with his gun. I was like, oh, shit. And it was just like, damn, I hate to be on the other side of that shit. You know what I'm saying? Wow, that's crazy. So it's like you and Sugar, y'all had a relationship where he knew you was, you was home team. Yeah. I mean, I used to roll with him in his K-5 Bronco with the Kingwood pullout. You know, Sugar was, like I said, he was super cool. He, he loved you, he loved you. Yeah. If he, nigga, if you get on that wrong side, it's a wrap. You can't not stop that, buddy. He owned once. I was like, so when death row got cracking, I was like, oh, I can haul that shit and get work. You know what I'm saying? But then I'm hearing this fool got beat up and that fool got beat up. This fool got beat up. I was like, nigga, you ain't finna be beating on me. I said, no. And I wasn't working with QB anyway. I was like, I'm straight. You know what I'm saying? I'm cool, I'm cool. I'm not staying over there here and shit. You mentioned that the Gregory guy. What was his name? The one that was actually, I heard he was a part owner of death row at first. It was Gregory. It was him, DOC. And that guy you just mentioned, cause West Crogat, no, no, no. Well, you just mentioned him earlier. Right, right. The owner of Solar, Dick Griffey. Griffey, that's him, remember? That's the one. He was a part owner. I didn't even know that it was four ways. It was him, Dre, Shue, and that Griffey guy. It was, I can't think of it. And DOC. Yeah, DOC. DOC, it showed DOC to be a part owner too. But he said there might've been five, even five members. He mentioned there might've been five instead of four. Who's, I can't think of his name right now. The guy who put up the money, who was in jailed at. He said there might've been one more. Yeah, the area, it wasn't. The area. It was the area. Right, so it might've been five because it was five. That's crazy. So they were working out of Solar Records and Dick Griffey had a big ass studio. That's what they did to Chronic Outlaw and shit. I guess he was letting them use, Dick Griffey was letting them use the studio to record. Like I said, he was grooming Shug. They were giving him all kinds of games and shit. You know how to get in. But Shug, you know, people don't get the credit that he deserved, but Shug was getting shit done. Albums had deadlines. Oh, the money proved it. And he would go through all the bureaucracy because they wouldn't really play West Coast Records on MTV and DH-1 and stuff like that, right? So we didn't know who Snoop was. Dre went like a big rapper at the time, but you hear all the stuff like, right? So somehow he was making it happen. And so I played a bass on New York, New York. It was $1, right? We did that song and maybe a week later, they shot the video. I knew when they shot the video and then we got to that, it's on MTV. It takes a month. When you see a video done, you submit it, they got to like it and look through it and just that and it takes like a month. It was like a few days later after they sent it, it was on air. But this was the first one. This one in New York where they kicking the building down. Yeah, that's New York, New York. That's that video. That video. That video. They had it on that fan. They had, I mean, DJ Poo did the beat. He also shot the video. So I'm knowing Poo, you know what I'm saying? So we just got back from New York. They were shooting at him and everything. Like B was on the radio, like these West Coast niggas out here shooting the video and all that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And somebody went and shot it. He telling me that whole story. And a few days later, that video was on, what you call it? It's on MTV. What did you think when you seen the video? I thought the video was dope. Got it kicking the building down. Like, if anybody knows DJ Poo, he's like George Jessen. He's always looking for the next. So that has special effects. They kicked the building and everything. Nobody did that before, you know what I'm saying? DJ Poo started the Grand Theft Auto. Yeah. You know, Rockstar. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's it. That's hard. Yeah, that's it. So you know he's papered that. Yeah, he papered up. So when that building, when they dropped the, they kicking the building out, Snoop, Corrupt and Dazz, we were just Snooping Corrupt. What's that? Yeah, they was on there, they was on there acting up. Like, and this really, this was like throwing gas on a fire. Yeah, you know, you mess with us. We don't play that. You keep talking crazy. We don't care. It ain't banging. We gang bang. We love retaliation. That's what gang bang is all about. They hit me. I'm gonna hit them. Hit me. That's all gang bang is about. So we was gang banging. Man, I'm gonna fast forward because I know he was around during this era as well because this is another thing they had to do with. Shug was around during this time. A lot of people say this and that about it. The day when Biggie came and got killed here after Pocket passed away. And he had a song. He's going, going back, back to Cali. And Melvin Farmer say that on the streets of Cali, it was saying people saying to get killed, to get killed, to get killed if he come down here. You know what? When you knew he was coming up here or whatever, did you feel like that would be attention for him coming to California? Or did you feel like it's a, it's a, it's okay. It's not a no flies on. It would be all right if he just come and perform. And then, you know, he would be good to go back. How did Clint Payback say and look at it from the time when you knew Biggie was coming. You know, it was word to Biggie coming to Cali. Pocket's dead. Yep. What did you think? I thought he was stupid as fuck and the whole bad boy team is stupid as a motherfucker. Because before all that shit, Biggie had issues with E40. And he was out in the bay. I didn't know that. He was out in the bay, looked that up. He was out in the bay and E40 almost had him jump. So he had tension already coming to the West Coast. And these niggas is gangsters. You have dudes have nothing to do with the music but this will kill Biggie. Anybody from the way. Oh, we don't like him. Cause what's happening? We beat him a little 17-year-old knucklehead niggas. They'll bust on him. Niggas stay here on the radio station. Hey, I love LA. We don't give a fuck about that shit. We'll kill you, nigga. And two parking there, he had a target on his motherfucking head. I was like, oh, this nigga's stupid. He on the radio station. Let's say everybody know he out here. He just put a target on his head. I was like, dawg, he need to get the fuck out of here. He don't know what he dealing with. Cause everybody think they look at the beach and they look at TV and they see Tom Cruise and movie stars. It's safe. No, it ain't supposed to. Ain't that motherfucking killer out here for no reason at all. That would knock your head off. And that's what I think. That's what that happened. It looks like the police did it. There's a couple of different situations. But I feel like when he was on the radio, I said dawg, he is stupid as hell. He don't know what he dealing with, man. He thought it was sweet. He thought it was cool. You can't come out on that. I don't give a fuck how much security you got. It's gonna be 30 motherfucking crisps with guns. So it was crazy for him to even think. It was stupid. Nigga, you playing with, you know what I mean? Like I said, he, they don't know what they was dealing with. You can't come to LA with you. You still can't come to LA on that bullshit. With the little rapper that got killed at the rock scum. I would like to ask you about that. PNB Rock. You can't come up. But in cases like that, would you positively say that anybody can get got with the right amount of money behind the? Yeah. Can anybody, like there's nobody that's safe. Anybody can get got with the right amount of money set up. Not even the money. It's just, you come across the wrong person. You have the little knuckleheads down to shoot you for free. They don't want nothing. Wow. Ain't about no money. It's loyalty, it's everything else. I do this under me. Oh, I got you on me. You gotta be careful, man. Man, I try not to diss nobody. Because that person that I'm dissing might not be mad, but his homie might be mad when it prove himself to his friend and do something to me. Oh, man. So how's that big of a stupidest thing? The check-in thing. The check-in thing. Wait a minute, we gotta talk about this because it's a lot of people I've had on the show and I've been asking them about checking in. Basically, some people feel like checking in is appropriate. Others feel like it's exploiting certain situations. Some people say that nobody of the other, people that don't look like us are not checking in, what is the situation with checking in for you on the West Coast with people that's coming into these areas and them just basically exploring the areas and going anywhere and doing anything? What would you suggest? If you don't know LA, you come from somewhere else, stay your ass in Hollywood, stay near your hotel, because they're not just out there walking around like, oh boy, who got shot was in deep South Central hood. Somebody walking down the street, said, oh, blood on there and got him. Somebody just living in neighborhood. P&B Rock. Yeah, P&B Rock. They just, oh, he over here? But I heard he was actually living here in Vegas too, so they should have. No, in the Cali. But I'm saying he- I mean in Cali. He in South Central with this big old gold chain and diamonds and he on this video on YouTube counting mad brits, they're like, oh, he a lick. They came to rob him, but I guess whatever, something happened and got shot, but God bless him and his family, but you don't come in LA, that's like it. Right. Believe it or not, we were at that particular one. Was it that one that we were at when LA? I think it was that one. She told me that somebody had just ran in there and dropped somebody for their chains at the door. Okay. It frequently happens. Are you visiting motherfuckers? There's five or six Roscoe's. Go to the one off Sunset and Gower. That's Hollywood. Don't go to none of the other ones. No, don't go to La Brea. Don't go to La Brea. There's blood and crisps over there. Stay your ass at the Gower, because there's a police station down the street, so our niggas don't really, the riders ain't walking in there. They don't live in that neighborhood or nothing. Pico and Pico and the brand niggas live in that neighborhood. They'll walk up to the Roscoe's and rob your ass. You know what I'm saying? There's one on La Cine good in Manchester and Inglewood, don't go to that one. Shiny. You know what I'm saying? The one on Broadway and Manchester. Don't go to that one either. Stay your ass away from the hood. That shit ain't cute. Don't think all of them go to the hood. It's fun though. I went through y'all South Central. Do you go? Hell, well I go, but I ain't going out there, you know what I'm saying? Flawless. Yeah, I ain't doing all that shit. I go to the Ingle. Do you think they lose money though? Roscoe's by people, you know, scared to go? Niggas love food. We know what it was. You out here high signing. You out here with this $100,000 necklace on and counting 30 million racks. We think you got bread. We gon' rob your ass. Because if I ask some rappers, even after that, I'm like, okay, so would you be, would you walk more selectively when you, especially in Cali, when you go to certain places, would you tuck it in or leave it at home or leave it, no, I'm from where, what I, I bought this. I'm not going to scare to make nobody, you know, that type of tough guy. Right. My condolences are in advance. You, all right, you go out there, you bulletproof. Superman's bulletproof. You ain't Superman, stay your ass out the way, man. You tripping. Tuck that chain, put all that shit in the hotel safe, and then go out and enjoy yourself. You're too stupid to be out there thinking that's up. You ain't bulletproof, man. So when you, okay, so, okay, you gotta think about it, man. You know, back in the days, Tushar was in Oakland. You know, did you ever deal with Tushar in the Bay? Did they be able to call it the Bay? Yep, Oakland. Like, what was, what was, Tushar was early to the game. He was earlier than everybody. He's a pioneer. When you first heard Freaky Tales and all that, all the stuff. I got a dick of sat. And that bitch, you know what I'm saying? He had it, he had, that was his word, each and every one of them. He played any of that old Tushar shit in LA at a party, people lose their mind. To this day. To this day. Every word. So. Don't, don't, don't, don't, man, we be jamming. Yeah, so when you think about just, just Tushar and his era, like, like what sticks out to you and what did that do for our culture? I think he, he, he gave a lot of, he, he let it known that you don't need a record label to come out. He gave birth to E40 with that mentality. Before they were like, oh man, I can take my dope money and buy and put up and press up my stuff and sell it out to the beauty salon, so whatever, like Tushar did. I think that's probably what sparked EZ, too. Wow. Everybody started, you know, everybody was looking for a record deal and trying to kiss every little record company's ass and getting fucked. Here come Tushar, something shit out of the trunk and shit went crazy. So Tushar was the one that really first introduced us to like an independent type look after trunk and do you think he get the credit deserved for starting that whole movement? He does and he did then. Everybody credited him then. You gotta think about it, I was in the 80s. Yeah, of course. If you know your history, yeah, they probably don't talk about it now. Yeah, but this is something that you know, when you look at Tushar, when you look at all those guys, man, even Master P, we gotta talk about Master P. Master P was one that, he was from the South like me and I felt good about it when I seen him. I really, it was a different field than the Scarface thing for me. Scarface to get old boys that was, don't get me wrong, they was Southern but it was something about, they looked more universal to their movement than P did to me. They looked more like they was, I don't know, for some reason it felt like New York and all them was just getting along great. Everybody loved Scarface, okay? Yeah, it was real. When you come down to Master P, it was something different about him and the way he sounded, the way he carried himself, it seemed like a Southern feel to me more. Real country like. And I ain't saying, cause you would hear Scarface and them talk about the Fifth Ward and all that other stuff. So you did hear it. I guess it was just a production. It was something different, that, oh, you know what I mean? That, oh, it was something to that, bro. Yeah, he showed, you know, my memories of him, he showed his, the inner city, the real rough part, but his vernacular. Yeah. He sounds Southern. Yeah. Really, Scarface didn't sound Southern like that. That's what I think too. That's it, it had to be something different. You know, the way he talks, I can't mimic him, but he, oh, he's from the South. Yeah. And all the interviews he did and I met him, him, Silk the Shocker and C Murder at Priority Records. Okay. The day he signed the deal, I was in the elevator with C Murder. And I thought he was a master P. I said, man, I love what y'all doing. They look alike. They talk to him and yeah, they both talk and he's like, man, I ain't P, I'm C, man. I said, all right, so I went upstairs, cause Cube signed a priority, Mike 10 signed a priority. So I'm up there all the time, we're getting checks here in a day. Thank you, Cube. But so I caught the elevator up with them and they just signed a deal. And he was like, they were like celebrating and everything. I was like, okay, what do you do? But he, he was like one of the first to say, look, I don't want y'all money. That's when y'all distribution off. I'll pay for my own records. And now that most deals people don't know, the artist gives like 9% of his record. 80% goes to the label. Wow. That much. The A&R gave more money than the artist do off records. Man. And then, then, you know, the produce series break up, you know what I'm saying? The other 10% or whatever, right? So P's deal where he gets 35% or 30% and the record label gets 70. I mean, he gets 70% and the record label gets 30. He flipped it. He flipped it. And I heard them percentage. I was like, damn. How did you hear the percentage? I'm in the record label. Yeah. They were talking about it. They're talking about it. How did, what, what? And he talks about Michael Jackson's lawyer helping him. I remember that just to understand the business. Like, when you heard that and knew that that could, did that give you a sense of, man, you know, we can flip it? Yeah. Well, my, my thing at, at that time, I was up at Interscope for, for different stuff. I'm playing bass for everybody. Okay. So I'm at all the, I'm playing bass. I play bass for, for, for, for a couple of records. You know, the New York, New York, New York, New York. OFTB. Thank, what's up y'all? Yeah. Um, I was playing for them. So I was going up there, Interscope, collecting checks, whatever. But I'll give you these different labels. And I'm seeing the labels, when they first start, basic boring ass label, look like rented chairs and shit like that. When these albums are blowing the fuck up. Now they got fucking TV screens and big labels lit up and all this neon lights and all this bush and I'm like, these niggas are making these fools money. I said, why don't we own our own distribution? Yeah. So when M.A.C.P. did his deal, I was talking to S.H.U.D., E.Z.E. and Q. I asked all three of them niggas the same thing. I said, why don't y'all stop making these labels all this money and get your own? But all they're doing is distributing. Y'all got enough money to fund your own records at this point, you know what I'm saying? E.Z.E. said, no, niggas ain't gonna get along. Q.P. said, niggas ain't gonna get along. And S.H.U.D. said, everybody's gonna want to be chiefs. Nobody's gonna want to be Indians. Everybody gonna think they need to be more important than the next nigga. We in the fight. And I said, but still y'all, these white labels still making the money. Somebody distributing that shit. Y'all need to, you know, and we still ain't on that. Wow. Let me ask you this. I'm gonna jump subs because you just mentioned E.Z.E. Like when E.Z.E. was, he got diagnosed with AIDS and two weeks later he was dead. The fastest death, you see magic. He gets HIV. You never hear it easy dealing with nothing close to fighting this. It's pretty much almost like he came and he died. I remember this. During that time, did it happen as fast for you being that you was in LA? It's a deal for me being in the South. I think it's totally different though because you're thinking about magic being an athlete. They getting checked out by doctors almost every game. Every game. And so he's up on it. That makes sense. Most black men, we don't go to the hospital unless we dying. So he might have had mass symptoms. It was like, man, give me some more rope. You know, rope tosser. Give me some Nyquil and I'm like, you know, drink some more tea. I get it. My mama told me to get put some honey. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So he probably was dealing with it. He might have been dealing with it. He might have been dealing with it. And then boom, he just all take me to the hospital. And it was too late. Wow. And that was early on. Like everybody wasn't, nobody was even dealing with that. That was the big bad wolf in the room during that time. This was, you know, cause before that people don't realize it. Like when you was with old girl, like we didn't even worry about that. We didn't even, all you had to worry about is the claps. That was about it. Look, bro, that shit. It was another time. I don't know who, if, if Magic Johnson or, or, or, or, easy got HIV first. I can't remember who got first. Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson, I think. I think it was Magic. You mean it was Magic? So I used to, so I used to play bass for BBD, right? And so we in the studio recording the song and somebody invited a bunch of girls in there. And they, you know, half-naked, looking all good and everybody's like, oh, all right. That's mine. Everybody picking one out and whatever. And they said, breaking news. Magic Johnson has a big announcement. So the whole room stopped. We're sitting there facing the TV and then Magic's talking about he got HIV and blah, blah, blah. And we start thinking about all the wild parties that Magic's been to and all the girls that go to every little wild ass party. And we started looking at the girls room. I had some of them out in there. Yeah, we started looking at the girls room. Yeah. Y'all gone. Yeah. They killed the mood. They killed the damn mood of the camera. Mirror. In the body, man. And then, and then easy used to have the wild parties. I knew a hundred girls would go there and they'll get drunk and naked and all kind of crazy stuff. And it was like, when, when that happened, them same girls is everywhere. Oh man. That messed up the game. That changed the whole game. That changed the game. And I was a little whole then in my youth, you know what I'm saying? You had to slow it down. I was like, oh, yeah, I want to be like, you gotta show me what you're going to do. You know what I'm saying? You slowed down, didn't you? I stopped. That was it for me. I was like, oh, man, I can end up dying. No, I don't know. I think everybody slowed down even at the top. Because when he died, we thought AIDS takes you down like that. Oh, shit, he just got that. He was just in the hospital and he died like that. So he was terrified. I don't know, I was terrified. Yeah, I was terrified. Everybody was terrified, I believe. That was a scary time. We didn't have the medical, we didn't have the understanding that the research hadn't been done. Or the knowledge of anything. I imagine regular people who didn't have the money that he had thinking, you know, I didn't have it and thinking that, man, if he had money and he just died like that, where's the hope for anybody who don't have the money? Yeah, yeah. I stopped him off with nightstands immediately. Did you stop immediately? What? I was like, hey, how you doing? Let's go over here. And anybody possible afterwards was like, hey, did you take the test? I need to see the results. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't that easily ready though, I don't think. During that time. No, no, no. You didn't even know. I was going to the Dolores Tucker free clinic in Inglewood and getting my little condom and getting checked out. Man, you started seeing people. What you here? I'm for a checkup. Man, I wanna ask you about this. I was gonna ask them about this more. Gabba, go ahead. I just wanna ask, because I know you talk about a lot of sessions that you've been in. You talk about you've been there with Easy-E, been in there with Tupac, you've been in there with all these other people. What is the best session you've ever been in in your life since you've been doing this? Oh, I'm glad you asked that question. I've been thinking about this. And I ain't told, everything I have to do with Ice Cube. And I ain't told them what I was going through at the times when this shit was happening. So I'm the funny nigga, you know what I'm saying? In the neighborhood, I'm bagging, I'm like, your mama looked like, ooh, you know what I'm saying? So I'm silly, but I'm with Ice Cube. I don't know Ice Cube. And so from the, you know, videos that he's hard, you know, that's cute. And he looked crazy and shit. So I was like, so I ended up playing bass for him. And he called me into a session to play bass on one of his singles. He just, this is his fourth album. So it was Lethal Injection. So he's really the only single produced by Layla being Rest in Peace. But, you know, so all of them is Crips. I'm from the blood side, right? So he called me to go play bass. And I'm like, damn, for Ice Cube, I'm a fan of Ice Cube. He's the top. He's like playing, that's like playing for Prince or Michael Jackson. He's the top, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, what? I'm hyped up. I was so hyped up. I thought I might even get shot. I was willing to get shot to play bass for Cube. Wow. So I'm like, so I told him to my home boys to come and we all had guns on us and shit. So we walked in there and it'd be like 30 people at a Cube session. Everybody in mom in here, right? And they're all Crips. They're all from 111 Crips and whatever. So I'm in there nervous and shit. I'm walking there like, I'm gonna risk my life to play for Cube. What? So I'm playing bass. And I'm like, baby, he's right here. Oh my God. But I had to be cool. This is what you saw. So I'm like, look at that, that's Cube right there. Oh, shit. And then they told me the bass line and I was playing wrong in front of Cube's and I's like this, but dude, dude, dude, I'm looking at the Cube's right here. What you like? It was crazy. So I'm excited. And if you know me yet, like I'm tripping and my homeboys are laughing at me and shit, but I had to be payback. All right, let me play this motherfucking. You know what I'm saying? That's how I played the bass line down. But then Cube sucked. All right, that was it. I wanna lay my vocals. I think I get to see how he's Cube play his vocals. Being a big fan. That's like me watching Michael Jackson lay the vocals for Beaded or something. I'm like, what? I could not believe that. I was tripping like a motherfucker. And that was like, I played for BBD, but Cube to the hood was the man. You know what I'm saying? So the hood, my homeboy told the hood and I was like, oh, payback, we heard you nigga. I was the man. The what? The single came up right away. We was like, nigga, I was hyped up. I was like, I could have died that day. And I feel like I accomplished something. I played bass, you know what I'm saying? For the biggest act, I was tripping. Man, I was a big fan. I had, I made fan videos. Like I was loving Cube, you know what I'm saying? And then, so now I'm working with him. And so the next big thing that happened was with him. We had Cherokee Studios. It was just me, him, his wife and brother Ron. And he said, we just laid out a bass on the beat. And he said, I want you to hear these raps. Tell me what you think. I'm like, nigga, Cube, you gonna say a rap to me? And nigga, I was like, oh, shit. Man, I was hyped the fuck up, but I had to be cool. All right, homie. So we go to the board and he's organized. He got this shit typed out on a folder like he in school, going through some shit. He stopped busting. And then brother Ron said, Cube. Brandon Mellon, Cube's rapping. Cube looked like motherfucker. Like what? I turned around me and Mug. I thought it was like easy, easy. You know, he was beefing with NWI and what the fuck he was looking at? Cause he looking crazy frowned up. And I looked frowned up. So I turned around frowned up too. I think it was Rick James. Wow. Nigger, I'm a bass player. You know, under all this shit. Listen to him. Got me playing bass, listen to him and boosting. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, there's my son. I'm like, nigga, that's Rick James. I'm like, I love you. Rick James, like nigga. But Cube was like, what's up? Rick was like, man, if you need anything, you know what I'm saying? I was saying whatever. And I'm looking at him like, God damn, nigga. And he said, thanks for letting me talk to Cube. I'm like, nigga, really, nigga, I want to hug him and shit. So I'm trying to, I'm going to fidget. And I'm like, damn, that's Rick James. He right here. And he said, I want to hug this nigga and tell him I'm going to be playing all your songs. I want to play, you know what I'm saying? All this shit. But Cube and it was, I got to be cool. So then he left. And I was like, what about him then? Out the door to the left. All right. So at Cherokee, we're way in the back. There's a long ass, ooh, there's a long, there's a long ass hallway. Nigga, I ran in a hallway. I broke records, nigga. My knees was high and you played football. I had my knees high. I flew out that motherfuckers when I came to Rick James. I'm like, Rick, Rick. He out in the car in a convertible mustang and stuff. And he just pealed out. I'm like, Rick, I love you. I was like, I was like, Rick, I was walking in the studio and I was happy. I want to hug. I just keep on the shit about it. All right. We'll be doing it. So you didn't even get to talk to him? No, no, I get to tell Q outside of the work. I didn't know him like that. So I was just like, I had to be payback. So you didn't even get to talk to Rick James? I didn't get to talk to Rick James. So I was just like, but I was hyped up. Nigga, I got to meet Rick James. You met him. So I was in the room. In the room. Nigga, that was everything. Nigga, Rick James? That's, you know, like the- That's hard, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, you played basketball as a kid and LeBron like Kobe walking or Jordan, you like, nigga. So I'm like, hype the fuck up. So that's two, I need that third one. I got really, so it's four. Yeah, it's four. So we had Echo Sound. I mean, we had a street in the studio, Cube Studio. So Cube stopped what we were doing. His phone rang. He answered the phone. He's like, you got him? All right, bring him here. Usually Cube's got this look on his face. But then you look at me and get this goofy ass chaser cat smile. He was like, all right. That's what the fuck the nigga smiled at me for, and shit. We all, you know, we Cube, we all, we South Central. He's like, I don't know what the fuck the nigga smiled at me for, man. I was like, nigga, you look at me. I'm like, nigga, what's up? So then about 10 minutes later, the back door, boom, boom, boom. He make the smile. What the fuck the nigga smiling about, man? What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? So he get up, he go walk, open the door. And I'm hearing him and a whole bunch of people walking back. Then I get, yeah, you know, something that's funky, baby. Some shit like that. And I was like, nigga, no. Cube cropped around the corner like, yeah, nigga. He was walking in with George's motherfucking Clinton, nigga. I'm like, oh, shit, it's finally like, oh, nigga. I want the whole Cube shit, but I was like, what's up? Nigga, I was like, nigga, I was, oh, I was saying that. I was like, nigga, this is George's motherfucking Clinton. So there's a couch, like a two-seater couch in the studio. George sitting right next to me, I almost passed out. But I have my bass plugged up and everything. So I'm looking at him. He don't know me. He do, he don't. Let me tell you that story. So he's sitting there, and I, you know, like older artists think younger artists don't know who the fuck they are. You know what I mean? So he's probably thinking he don't know who I am. You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting facing on my bass. And then I started playing some, some, part of me said I play flashlight. And he turned around real slow. Like, like, I just think of all that. All right, all right, okay. Like I'm, my young 20s, he's like, okay. But he didn't say shit. And I'm like, yeah. So then he was sitting there, like, waiting on a cube. So he starts humming shit, boom, boom, boom, boom. So I have my bass plugged up, boom, boom, boom. Oh, I had like a little kid, I was like, nigga. And then he looked at me and said, okay. He started singing something a little more difficult. He was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, give me a little high five. I was like, oh my God, I could leave this shit. And then he sings something else. So I'm like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He was like, man, give me a high five if you can. And it left. And that was that experience. I was just like, I don't know. And I was like, man, thank you, man. Oh my God, George Clinton. Did you tell Cube, thank you ever for doing that? Yeah, I told him, but he don't know what I was going through. Like, nigga, I was tripping. I was like, okay. He don't know how big it was for you. Right, he don't know how big. I could have died that day, too. Like, nigga, I'm like. So then the third time. That's the fourth. That's the fourth. Yeah, the fourth time, the charm. Same shit. He like, he hit me up. What's up? He'll page me. Just back when I had pages and no cell phones. He'll page me. I pull over, pay phone and shit. Like, I'm like, what's up? He said, were you at, can you come to the studio right now, stream knowledge? I'm like, yeah, I got to go home and get my bass. He's like, don't get your bass. Like, okay. Like I don't sing, nigga. Like, all right. So I pulled up. Then I knocked on the door. He come to the back, opened the door. He got that grin-ass look, that stu-dass grin on his face. I don't know what the fuck this nigga's smiling before. So we walk in this dark. That's the corridor. And he turned around, looking at me, smiling and shit. We get closer to where the studio was. We get closer, nigga. I hear like, yeah, baby. He turned around, was like, like, I know you know that in my fucking voice, nigga. I'm looking at nigga. I'm getting hyped up, nigga. Oh, look, oh, shit. But I'm cool. You know what I'm saying? We trying to climb nigga's booty. I'm like, look, they're cute. We know they're filling in. Like, I'm looking at him, nigga. Oh, thank you. Oh my God. So it's Bootsy Collins. He's sitting there. And I'm sitting and looking at Bootsy. Oh, shit. So I sit down here. Bootsy's as close as you are to me. And Q's here. I'm on my heart beating. I'm like that. I'm like, oh man, we're cute. And Bootsy, I'm looking at Bootsy. Oh, I'm like, oh, shit. And Bootsy's like, what's up, baby? How are you doing? I'm clean. I couldn't even think. I couldn't talk. Nigga, I was hyped up. Nigga, I was hyped up. He's the reason why I play bass and I'm doing what I'm doing now. I learned all his shit, you know what I'm saying? And Q had me playing all his shit. You know this record? I'm like, yeah, nigga. And so, damn. And I was nervous as a motherfucker. I was hyped and happy as fuck. But I was nervous as fuck. So Bootsy, so Bootsy's star bass, the one that's on all the records and she was on the ground in the case. Q looked at me and looked at the bass. So you want to touch that motherfucker, don't you? I was like, but I'm cool, though. Yeah, I looked at Bootsy, Bootsy, like, oh, yeah, baby. That's crazy, man. And you played it? He hand me the bass. I forgot, I forgot how to play bass. I looked at the motherfucker like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You had the opportunity right there. Oh, man. Bootsy and Q like, play something. I couldn't, I forgot how to play the bass. I didn't know what to do with this motherfucker. No, I did, look. So I'm like, okay. So my talent, my gift from God is if I hear a beat, I hear a bass on my head right away. And then I figure out what's in my head on the bass. So Q knew, let me play this beat. Boom. And I saw here in the bass line, boom, stoop, stoop. Stadoo-do-do, that's how I was playing that. And they were like, oh, that's dope. Bootsy was like, that's dope, play that. And I was thinking, Bootsy's here to play bass. It was for KD on the Cubes artist. So I was like, I'd hate to take it. KD, yeah. The niggas used to spell out everything, didn't they? Yep. I remember KD. Yep, KD, baby. Yeah. Shout out to KD. So I was like, man, I hate to take still KD's song from Bootsy playing on it and have me playing. I'm playing all kind of shit. You know, let Bootsy play. So I act like I forgot the bass line. But then the craziest part, it was a lady. Damn, I can't think of that, she had killed me. Juliana Baldwin, I think, but she was writing for this magazine called Rap Pages. And so she was interviewing all the musicians that play on these records. So she went and do an interview on me. I had pictures, you know what I'm saying? I ain't nobody. No professional head shot shit like that. She's like, I don't want to take pictures of you. So let me know what's cool. So she happened to call me right after I put the bass down. She called me and was like, I paged me. I called her like, who was this? She's like, Juliana Baldwin. I didn't take the pictures of you. I was like, what are you doing? Right, the fuck now? She was like, I can come to you. I said, I'm at street knowledge with Bootsy and Q. Right the fuck now. I need you to bring your ass down here now. And I asked them, y'all cool to take pictures with me? And they're like, yeah. So she came down and captured them and took pictures with me. What are those pictures there? They're on my Facebook and in an Instagram. I put them on Zubz, man. I sent them to you. I sent them to me, man. So I got a picture of me and Q and I'm holding the star base. Then I got another picture before the star base. I'm standing against the wall and the face I got on is the face I'm talking about. I'd be like, I'd be like this, but then I'd be like, oh shit. And so they're both pointing at me. Like, you know what I'm saying? I was, oh, that was it. That was the top everything. I've met Tina Marie, Barry White. You know, Tupac, whoever, Biggie. I've seen it all. Yeah, man. Let me ask you this, man. What? Because you got faith on your hat, man, which is dope. I love it. My daughter's middle name is Faith, man. Is that right? Yeah, man. You feel spiritual, bro. You feel scripture. I know it's like God is all in you, man. Yeah, yeah. You don't mind it's real. Boom, yeah, yeah. But that's because of what I've been through. But just, man, just the way that you talk about Q, you know, the way that you, you know, the things that he done for you, you know, and you done for him really built a relationship, man, like a respectful relationship for him to call you during those times and to have you come down there, man. Just give me a breakdown of what Q really means to Clint Payback saying. Everything. I wouldn't be doing like plan-based, most times people don't look at credits on records. And so you don't know who did what. You know what I'm saying? If Q recorded out of the studio, that studio became popular because you want to run in the Q's, you know what I'm saying? So most studios have multiple rooms. So we might be in one room and then, you know, Tupac or somebody else is in another room and they'd seen me with Q in my base. So they would label me as Ice Cube's bass player. And I ran with that shit too. You know what I'm saying? I might use bass player, you know what I'm saying? But, man, I want you to come play on our record. And it just went off from there. And then people in the East Coast found out, to do to play that, it's Ice Cube's bass player. And I'm getting flown by Airston, these big labels to New York, whoever, to play bass. So that, that landed that. And then I was like the musician hookup for him. And he was recording a lot of records, Mac 10, doing yo-yo, we was doing the Lynch Mob, Katie, West Eye Connection, you know what I'm saying? Dub C. So people would call me for bass, but then they're like, you got a guitar player. I'm like, yep, you got a keyboard player. Yep, you know what I'm saying? And I was, I was just in everything. So I made a lot of money just for his, my association with him, being seen with him. And then, you know, the word spreads in the hood, you know what I'm saying? Like one time, Kim, his wife's cousin, Sir, brought cube and pockets over my house to play basketball. I used to have to rent this big house with a basketball court in the back. And we played, but then Sir told the whole hood, Cube was playing that, for this time, a payback house. You know what I'm saying? Now everybody's talking and everybody who do beats and whatever, it's, it's in the hood, they're hearing this. So now I'm getting calls from a bunch of people I don't even know, DJ Latt and Ice Teague's camping. This was camping. Man, I was, DJ Utaka, DJ Honda, who was like huge right now in Japan. They had me playing bass. It was just, it was crazy because of association with him. And then I started doing beats. And then just because I was down with Ice Cube, they were like, they would want to buy beats just to say, payback did it. Who's down with Ice Cube, you know what I'm saying? Opened up doors. Opened up all kinds of doors. So I ended up with that. You didn't know me from successful records. You knew me because association with Ice Cube. So I ended up doing like on Soul Plane. Yeah, yeah. In Kevin Hart, I really did a gin and juice. When you see Snoop walking in, I did that. Wow. And so a lot of people's first things. I was like 50 Cent, had a 50 Cent comedy. His first pilot, first him getting into this film side. I did the theme song for his film thing. But based on this is, this dude works with Ice Cube where he's down with West Iconation. He's down with Dub C and Mac 10 and, you know what I'm saying? So that's big. A lot of it just kept spilling over. That association went on to this day. Wow. When I was up, coming up here, I was trying to link with Dub C, man. Like you and Dub C had to do some work together too with that West Iconation and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't working with, dealing with Dub C. I did with Dub and his brother crazy to me. He resting peace. Man, RIP. Yep, from Dub C in the mass circle to a present. I just seen him a couple months ago, but I used to play on all these records. I end up, you know, Cudio was a part of Dub C in the mass circle. So I played on Cudio's demo on to his first record. But you all got good conversation. I like all your team up. Man, you all got good conversation. We both got different ways we come with it. Ain't nothing written down. Ain't nothing. No, no, no. We'll do all that. You all got good conversation. It's real. I think that was the most important thing for me is to make it a real conversation. Yeah. I don't want it to be something that's, like I wanna ask about certain people. I'm sitting there thinking like, I thought about, I got five on it boys. I thought about why you was talking Poo Man. I thought, I'm telling you, on the West Coast, I'm thinking am I like, what was the old groups during that time? In my mind, because I love music. Right. When you love music as a fan, then my kids love music. That's why I know it's real. Like my conversation be real. Be real. I know right through those eras, I was loving the music, bro. I had to punch 45, you know what I'm saying? I was rocking the music. I was buying everything that y'all was putting out. You know what I mean? So I should be able to relate to you from a fan perspective. Okay. You think that makes sense? Yeah, it does. She being one, that's a real conversation. Then to season it with what you said earlier about God, that's my ministry at the point of this. To where you say, man, you say that like the faith thing. I know already that faith without works is dead. That's going to be in Hebrew 11. But I also know the just shall live by faith. I started thinking about it. It comes in Roman, and then it comes in Galatian, and then it came from Habakkuk. I know this already. You see what I'm saying? So that's what, no, it's really a, but when we talk, it's a real conversation. Yeah. I think the biggest mistake is not to have balance when you deal with people, and then not come from a real place. Right. Most people get so religious that they can't have balance or even deal with people. And I just refuse to be that guy. I love the fact of I'm evolving all the time, you evolving, and I don't need no person in a one spot. You love us until the end. How about it? So I ain't trying to hear none of that judging or putting nobody in a box. It's all about loving us through it. That's how come the show's gonna be. That's the difference. I'm afraid y'all going, oh, y'all bossing up. Okay, okay. You should be in a high rise right now if you can suit the camera. I'm looking at the strip right now. But no, you think, like when you think about just the females, you know, you work with Toy, the girl you brought her by the young lady last time, you work with, who else you work with, yo-yo? Every female rapper on the West Coast. Who was it? You know, Supersonic, you ain't working right now. No, JJ Faddle. Stop playing, man. That was my boy, Lonzo. Okay, okay, okay. JJ Faddle, y'all ain't working right now. Did you hear Rage? Rage? I rocked Ruffin' stuff, Rage, Rage, Rage, Rage, Rage, Rage, Rage. Yep, and I work with the Five Footers. I work with Silky Fine, Sugar T. I'm probably forgetting somebody that's Mike, cussing me out right now. Erica Cain, age 99. It's a lot. It's a lot, it's a lot of female rappers that work. Shanta, I work with Debrat. Man, I'm from that 644 W. She's hard. Yeah, that was her. Her era was real crazy. She's dope. I had to do the song for Shanta, and Debrat happened to be the next-door recording. And they ran aside, saw each other, oh, girl, da, da, da, da, da. If y'all don't know who Shanta is, she did the song with Timbaland. Love to love to love, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shanta got big lips and hand-to-bond. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she was signed to Aftermath, Drake's label. And so they saw each other or whatever, and I had a beat ready for them. And then she went in and wrote it and bussed like quick from scratch. And I was like, that, I was impressed. I just thought, she was a studio rapper, so I wrote her shit. And she just, no, she went in there and wrote her shit and started busing, killing it. But Drake didn't put the record out for some reason. It's the songs in there right here, somewhere, it's jamming. Wow, man. So other than that, man, we wanna thank you for coming back on Boss Talk 101. This won't be the last time. Man, thank you. I ain't man, we gonna always rock with you when we in Vegas or in LA. I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? Every time you look around, we gonna be kicking it. People gonna be like, man, I seen you in Boss Talk. I know, man. Hey. This is why the stories, you know, the truth be told. You know what I mean? This is how the foundation laid for the OGs, man. People, they falling to great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I can teach you something, man. That's what this is all about, man. So thank you so much for coming on Boss Talk 101. What up, Bosses Talk? Say, man, this has been an, hey, how can people get a hold of it? You gotta say that too. Instagram, just look for Mr. Payback, MR.Payback, one word. MR.Payback, Mr.Payback at Instagram. Man, hey, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What up, Bosses Talk? Let's do some more, man. We got you on the lights off. And we out.