 Well, my name is Henry Greenwood. I'm known as Harry Greenwood. I'm going to be 93 in April and I'm Obviously retired and still have much of my health And I'm a very active person Remembering that I was just barely out of school and I had started to work in the newspaper office. So that's what I was I was like I'm running around Learning everything I had an interest in editorial writing and so I stuck around that desk mostly but I was a The boy in the office, so I Did all the things that were necessary and I went into the I went into the Navy at 17 and three months shortly after So I didn't have much of an occupation between leaving school and going into the Navy I actually I grew up with a very in a very progressive family and So I was very much aware of what had happened in the first world war I had lost an uncle and in that war. He died His death certificate says France and Flanders and My father who was too young to go into the services. He he was an active person. He belonged to independent Labor Party. So he Insisted in a lot of ways. I joined young socialist movements But I had a lot of thoughts about the first world war because I saw the Results of it the physical results in human beings Many people were there was no prosthetics in and many people walking about in crutches lost a leg lost an arm gas blinded Begging I Lived in Scotland as you can hear it here from my accent part of the British Empire And I say the British Empire because I say they looked upon themselves as being part of the British Empire We've always been to war always fighting wars started for the Crimea the South Africa War Everything else, but I felt the first world war was a war of Kings. It wasn't a war of reasons It was a war of Kings There was a slaughterhouse and I wound up very soon and I had as I say I witnessed that very soon So I had very mixed feelings about it And very mixed feelings about the first world war because I Quite frankly didn't understand it. It wasn't to regain territory and then it was At the end of the war there was a division of countries That set this the mood for the second world war and the countries were divided by cultures the defeated nations Had the lands taken from them Which meant that they were always ready to fight to get them back, which was a result of the second world war but I'm not an imperialist and I felt that the first world war was a war to preserve the The land for Kings. That's really all it was about And the slaughterhouse When you think of Flanders and you think of France You think of Vimy. You think of passion Dale. We just felt it was like It was like an exhibition in the middle of soccer field You just felt like going back and forward back and forward back and forward Taking no land Except to defeat someday and then they would come back. It was like a game. It was a war game That's how I felt about it. And now that's a different question Because as I said, I came from a progressive family. So I knew all about the rise of fascism I knew all about what was happening after Versailles and I again I had Visible signs of this because I lived in a country close to Europe and seeing the refugees coming in Refugees in my own class as a boy from Germany from other countries many Jewish people coming over who were been racially exploited and So I knew that this was a nevel situation and I was I was against it. So I I knew that this war would be to preserve man's rights In the midst of all this Fascism raised its head quite often in Italy with Mussolini invading Abyssinia as it was called in invading Namibia With Germany invading the Roor Walking into annexing Austria walking into Czechoslovakia and then Poland so I was very much Aware that this was something we had to stop And so I was in favor of the one. Well, I can't really answer that how they felt about it, but many of them Many of them had no knowledge of Why they were there they were there because it was a war and they felt it was patriotic to come and fight And it was it was patriotic on the face And I made many friends talked to many people served with many people Who had different ideas for me about the one and I didn't believe the propaganda that we were fighting for Better country. I don't think we were fighting for a better country at all because the postwar years proved that we didn't fight for a better country We still had we still had rationing in the UK at that time And I'm talking about my country was rationing in the UK right up until 1957 the war finished in 1945 We had we had into so much debt caused by the war and will continue to With no longer were an empire, but we acted as if we had an empire We still took part in all the wars that were going on and I left the UK in 1951 came to Canada They got away from that system because it was a and it still is in many ways a Class system. So we have just transported that now to this country for a different type of class system, you know but I think deeply of many things I think of my friends who believed that they came from the slums of places like Glasgow and Liverpool and Manchester, London and Many of these places were bombed out. They came back from the war. They were pretty well homeless They were not an age of getting married and trying to find houses for themselves There was no building programs of any great extent going on and The left squalor in many cases and returned to squalor And that's Wasn't what they were promised And it was for these reasons I left to UK. I had definite reasons for leaving the UK. No, I didn't feel it then I feel it now Feel it now. I feel it now living in an area like this where people who are born here can't afford to live here I feel it now when I see that we talk about homeless people and we talk about the hundreds of thousands of homeless people across the country and yet we talk in digits of tens and and the hundreds To repatriate them from homelessness into social housing Instead of putting their efforts into social housing These are radical thoughts in this country because we're no longer we're no longer interested in people we're interested in wealth Well, as I say I felt in the second world war was fighting for something and Looking back in the second world war. I still feel we were fighting for something. We did defeat fascism but we Continue to involve ourselves. Let me just say in 19 at the end of 1944 the representatives of The United States the United Kingdom China France and the Soviet Union met in San Francisco And they met there to hammer out a Charter for the United Nations. These are the basic Tenants of the United Nations and that charter was to provide world peace through world law Not world peace through extending world wars and arms It was a contradiction to think think that We were talking about world peace through world law But we were really saying world peace through rearmament and that's that's when I started getting involved with the CND Canadian Against the current war and get involved with the anti-apartheid movement So it was happening in South Africa and I get very much involved in all protests against war that that was How I came here. I Saw that what we were promised as a result of the second world war by the way as I said earlier I was in favor of the second world war but the promises that were made To give us reason for fighting in the second world war For promises that have never been kept. We still have fascism. We have More today to be afraid of than we had Before the first the second world war. I'm afraid of a terrorism Don't know who they are And it seems like it seems like it's contagious. I just don't understand it It's a holy war that's been fought jihad but yet It's not people who believe in Religion who are fighting it are taking advantage of the fact that it's a holy war using religion Dividing cultures dividing religions People are starting to talk about the Muslims being the enemy and And This is dangerous, this is exactly what happened in Germany and in Europe when they talked about the Jews being the danger So we've now come to that and I'm disappointed very disappointed in many of my comrades Comrades the word we use in the region by the way and many of my comrades who still perpetuate the idea that Muslims and Jews are something that we should be a little bit wary of Even today I can't understand it. I raised questions like Why don't we have a rabbi speaking at the memorial service and I was shot down in that because That's not it. Yeah, when you go to the cemeteries of Europe You see the Jewish stones It seemed to ignore that we have come to a point now where bigotry seems to be Around a lot. I Hear every day here in West Vancouver. I Hear people saying things about the Iranians and Chinese It's a it's a repeat It's like it's coming around. I'm now at a stage where I can I say quite seriously Every day now is deja vu Well, it would be it would be as the United Nations said it one of the men who one of the men who in the end of 1944 in the San Francisco talks was a guy called Hector McNeil He was that he was one of the delegates from the UK and when he was asked what he felt The United Nations would achieve he said well he said It gives me a vision He said it gives me a vision That one day our mother will look from her kitchen window Onto a large green meadow with wild flowers and see the children of all colors races and creeds Hoping and playing together Well, I still share that vision But it's a long way gone So that's what I felt the second world war with the chief it would achieve peace But it would get rid of bigotry because that's what started it There's always a role in promoting peace Yeah, always Because as I've said it so many many times there's nothing romantic about war, but there's a lot romantic about peace and peace Peace is what we were born to live in not war Although as man we fought war since the beginning of time even in Christianity we fought wars Before Christianity we fought wars Mythology is all wars history is all wars It's like we're predators Yeah well, I Think I've said this to you for that The war completely disrupts society it causes Everything that's good in society to be done bad Farmer life fails marriage life fails and we take it as We celebrate it. We celebrate promiscuity We're celebrating infidelity we celebrated it There's not there's not a man of my generation who can say that he did not take advantage of these disruptions in society Because they were forced on us. It was a case of We might not be your tomorrow attitude and we saw that I was evident You know the people of London People of Glasgow the people of Coventry who had been under bombing attacks They never in their life imagined that their families would be wiped out by bombs They thought they would have a natural life and when that happens you've disrupted the whole system and You live in a disruptive society and you take advantage of it. No, it was still broken. It was the after effects over broken It takes a long time for a family to heal if it has been disrupted and it was still in the same generations When I was leaving I could still hear people say I was so-and-so was Played around during the war or so-and-so did this during the wars And so-and-so's get a house and why did they get a house? They must know someone You know everyone was everyone who was competing with everyone else to try and make a living And that's what I found It's difficult to explain it but it's you know going back as difficult to explain it People actually believe it or not used to look at the obituaries and Go to the house where the person had died and asked if somebody was taking the house. They did Sounds terrible, but they did as I say society was so disrupted and yet Society flourished as far as their social life went Because it took advantage of it. It was like somer and Gomero Not to that extent. I grew up a lot different as I say I became very active and fighting for The things we were promised. I took part in anti-war demonstrations I took part in all sorts of things I think I was a bit of a rebel Of course you know that now, don't you? Yeah I became very more active much more active than I did before I went in And I was brought up and I was brought up in a very good family and I liked it everyone to know that because The one thing I believe that we should give credit to our parents And I give lots and lots of credit to my parents and I'm finding myself talking more about them today than I ever did I don't know why I don't it's a generational thing. It's just getting old but the fact is that when I think of My family they were so far ahead progressively of what I'm seeing today and I are remarking that we talked we talked about that with my daughter too, you know That's we we brought her up to respect their values We brought her up to respect their values and I look around today and I see that that's not the case of all families They don't respect the values of the parents at all My wife is going for a walk this afternoon with my daughter. My daughter's 50 She just came back from Tokyo because she's got a job that takes her all over the world But she's going for a walk with my wife this afternoon and she comes she never misses a Sunday when she's home to come to dinner Because we still have a very strong family compact and that's because of our parents not because of of us And I don't see that anymore And that that's sad That's sad. I I'm not anti-progressive as far as technology goes But I see the disadvantages of it. For example, I used to I used to drive over in the bus and I enjoyed driving the bus because I am I'm very much open and I would immediately start talking to my my fellow passenger But I don't do that anymore because when I go into the bus my fellow passengers Things stuck in his ears and his text and so my that's the whole societies It's gone to a point where we no longer interact in conversation with each other and that's too bad And I think about that a lot It's interesting my daughter says to me the other night about words she asked about the word through and She started journalism school to a curtain. She says tell me why we say through THR or UGH When we say BRO UGH is brought and THO UGH is stopped What makes the OU? Why do we say that she asked me questions when she's writing see Sometimes I'm supposed to have the answers But it's interesting. We still have conversations of it a bit little things We still talk about that. We still talk about philosophy. It's interesting because I had a little story of LOL See and when I first saw that I'm I'm I'm I'm not quite a Luddite, but I used to be when And I always thought LOL meant what it's a love until my daughter says no doubt it means laughing out loud So I thought that's very interesting So I have to read a little bit lately about a teacher in his school Who asked the class where LOL meant and they all said laughing out loud he said write it down and Only five people had it the correct the rest of it L E F F I N G or L E F I N G So society's changing and I'm getting older People I met who hadn't been in the war I I couldn't interact with them anymore. We had led different lives I Went in and I went into there in 1942 and I come out in the beginning of 1947 So close enough to four and a half five years and in that time I Had grown up From boyhood into manhood. So had they But it was a different growing up if they hadn't gone to war. They're growing up was still home life entertainment dancing regular girlfriends regular friends Be honest to come home to mine was Seeing war and I'm not really And I saw a lot of war because I was in convoy duties and I was in rescue. So I pulled many men out of the sea helped to sew them up in bags and then dump them over again and that that's not something that They would ever imagine happens them I Didn't know how to talk to them. I just didn't know how to talk to And they had they would be talking about Past things immediate past things within the last few years and I would be not know it was and I would start to talk to Them and their reaction was much different Because they feel off what the heck he bragging about it. It's They didn't get it They had reasons for not going to war There were not political reasons. There were not social reasons or just reasons that They felt they had better advantages by not going to war All of those people had homes They get married They'd contacts we come out with no contacts. We had Spitfire pilots driving streetcars That's how that's that's right Opportunities were lost to a lot of people The opportunities the opportunities that were gained by the people who stayed home and that's that was a sort of Resented bitterness. I never felt that too much, you know, because I just figured I'm not gonna be around here anyway And I went back to school and our forces rehabilitation score course and got with the called Baccalaureate, but it was a half-assed one because it was just to bring you back into society and I'm Didn't did that in a sort of Part-time basis because I was still learning journalism, but then I took off to France. I was in France for 16 months doing something totally romantic like steam angulation with Chateau Ross, Sheldon Bordeaux learning a lot about winds talking to people and Learning about the world, you know, I've hitchhiked this all the way across this country twice by the way Since I'm being in Canada When what used to do that? Well, I said the last time I did it I was in my forties and What had happened as I belong to an organization called the United Steel Workers of America, which I Loved it. I did the same job for them. I did it paper did it just and things like that, but I decided to run against some of the top brass and They would fly all over the place. I had no money to fly over the place, but I had a good team So I arranged with people when I say hitchhike. I managed to get trucks and stuff All the way made contacts and a return all the way across I lost of course I made a good second scared the shit out of Was in Thompson Manitoba in January and Went went from Winnipeg to Thompson Manitoba in a guardway a guardway truck 700 700 miles in the freezing cold So there are a lot of experiences man a lot of people Never heard the kitty mat but I found kitty mat. I was coming from interior And I knew that if I ever came west I would never stay in kitty mat. No, no, they're the same They're the same my daughters. My daughters I'm so proud of her. We only have the one I'm so proud of her. She's She'll email me and say did you read the National Post or did you read the Globe and Mail this morning and now? I have of course and then she'll tell me what it was all about, you know, and this is like 10 o'clock in the morning She's already very both of them. Well, she's home. She's home now. She just go home from Japan actually and she's getting ready to go to a Nassau To get another conference But no, she's progressive in a different sort of way. She's not politically progressive. She's progressive in the fact that she's Keeps alive in world events and knows what's going on and My wife, of course, has always been that way. That's why I'm out of there An interesting little story of which you don't have to record but back in 1966 Back in 1972 when Joe was six years of age in Hamilton there the Women's movement the June Colwood you probably heard of June Colwood and Doris Sanderson who's editor of Shad Lane All these people who came around Mod Barra these they run the voice of women and all that stuff and my wife got involved with this women's group and was took part in the first International Women's Day Meeting in Hamilton So it was a big audience of about 600 people 700 people in this convention center maybe more maybe a thousand people and There was a lady who's going to read the poem the famous poem of International Women's Day is called bread and roses give us the bread but give us roses and The woman who was about to read I have to look out of the State the side of the stage and saw this mass crowd and took cold feet. She never Done that she thought she was going to talk to small audience And my wife who was standing there with my daughter who was six She said hey Jill you can read that and she handed my daughter paper There's a six-year-old Jill went out in front of the audience and read the poem perfect so that tells you something and Also, there another you don't have to put this and I know what was said to that and said we always supported the NDP and you don't have to listen and The link in Alexander who ended up in the lieutenant governor of Ontario and who's quite a good friend of mine it was MP in Hamilton the conservative MP and He went to school. So my Would you like to ask Mr. Alexander? This is kindergarten not kindergarten, but yeah primary school did would you like to ask mr. Anyone like to ask mr. Alexander a question and Job up her hand and Says what is the question? She said why do you not support the poor people? He didn't know to see he found out who she was he says oh she wants to go that from her father She didn't she got it from her mother She says why do we not support mr. Alexander and rose the best way to say it is that well He doesn't really support the things we believe in like helping the poor and stuff like that So she had with her I Think I mentioned this a jury bill James James Bell was my friend people's albums also my rival in the School, we were both secret dates in Glasgow and we both came together to the To the signal school in Campbellton. We were both proficient in visual signaling And we competed with each other all the time Jimmy and I were good friends Anyway, he And the in the test and examinations to me came first And I came second and So we're in the barracks one night call it a ship And they called out his name Sigma and Bell by his number and they called it three times and they realized he wasn't a boy to wasn't he was out leave sure leave and They called me so I took the ship it's still the next morning the last thing I saw was Jimmy and a jetty Leaving his hand on me But I think of Jimmy, you know because he went his ship the ship I should have got if he'd been in the barracks went down And sent to June four days after DD my old fire mansion, France was defeated by e-boats And he didn't survive So I think of Jimmy a lot especially In remembrance they in other days can still see him there's an old saying as they never grow old They don't grow old you see them. I see them remember them still a boy That's the one person There's probably others I remember But Jim I think about a lot the people the people of the ship I Got to know it was Like a pop hurry of culture Some of them had never used an iPhone for their life and others were ready to go into Oxford University and stuff like that so you're all together and By the time you had been aboard that ship for a few years you all had you don't integrate it. You'll preach Yes, you'll talk philosophy you'll shared it's an education. It was a great great experience as far as that went and You learned a lot about them learned a lot about their families a lot of it how they felt and Surprisingly surprisingly you you begin to See the flaws in your own character and recognize it's the good and your character, you know and That's different from when you start because you look down on them and tough guys and stuff I mean, I have known guys and I knew two people who were hanged during the war and And One of them was a guy called Croft and he was handy hanged in Italy. He'd been aboard a ship with me They he wasn't a boy in Italy, but he got into the black market and Rather struck through gates and killed a guy and he was hanged military another person I know was Then the same thing in the Far East And they were pretty good guys. It just got caught up in some stupid black market progress, you know Also in civil life. I knew a guy who went to the chair. So I knew that from working my working life They were all good guys No, I think a lot with everybody hated the officers that was No, not even those baths that we used to call them, you know Probably bother commissions, but then there was others who were semen real semen, you know Who were respected? They were all gone. All right. There was that you said I'll go together when you had to play soccer or do something I you know things like But there was no real class divisions aboard the ship We're doing it crazy to think that, you know, since we're all the same boat literally as far as sinking or swimming No, we'd lots of lots of great conversations. That's the fun. A lot of us were sorry that it ever ended I mean, I'm going to tell you that right away because it's like breaking off a life on friendship Never seen them again We had a reunion had a reunion of of the outfit not just my ship and a reunion of the organization with deep sea rest of the association and I attended that and I Kind of after you three different years come back to the cut to the UK three different times And then it's disband because they've all gone now And I belong to the Normandy Veterans Association and now that's gone. There's only six of us left I feel like a dinosaur now In some ways Remembrance day I marched There's only two second world war vets marching back on the same with all the others Sat at the Senate half, you know even much That might be my last time too Yeah, there's all there's all a lot of difference between veterans and we all have our own different ideas and what the world was about and Many of them got it from Newspapers propaganda stories after the war and Not that I'm different, but I got mine from experience. I Saw that I saw the results of it and if they did they didn't they didn't notice it I'm quite sure that While I found my mother was running help through in a cafeteria for refugees Many of my friends at that time when the services Work saying we should we shouldn't be letting them into the country those go down So we're differences differences same today simply Before I went to the Navy. I had different opinions I mean, I knew his political life switch from Tories to Liberals Tories to Liberals Right in England right in Scotland. No, no, I He he was an opportunist, but then a lot of them are I mean Nelson Mandela was also an opportunist was surprised People who know that Yeah, no church was under great No, I kind of he did I suppose he did some good You know tell me he's a good painter Good bricklayer It didn't have a good idea in his head. He was an imperialist He was a swashbuckling guy wanted to prove it in their dad the nails and they proved it in the war and he When when I always remember reading I was overheard by then I was remember reading that when the king died King George VI and Queen Elizabeth had to Princess Elizabeth had to come back He made a statement. He says we have a revival of the Elizabethan age The great American tillage. Well, it was a great American tillage of Queen Elizabeth, you know Walter rally in these people They discovered the colonies and everything else First of Francis Street. So church also another Elizabeth another imperial Now he lived in he lived altogether in the past all together in the past now I have very strong views over him, but then He's not doing me any harm He did a lot of harm as a politician before the war He's not doing it. He did a lot of poor And he continued on with the labor programs after the war. He had to you know, he had to keep the national health But you see I'm not the only one who feels that way. It was so it was the services votes that defeated Winston Churchill in 1945 He was the prime minister You know Of a coalition he was never elected prime minister during the war and When the war ended and we go back to normal elections He was wiped out and the reason he was wiped out is because people like me were voting for the first time Who had heard about him knew about him before the war? And that's why he got defeated The foot it was they always say Why did the forces turn in church on one of forces never turned in church so they turned on his ideas and It and as a plagiarist too, you know He was giving credit for sorts all sorts of things during the war and great saints and he plagiarized everything, but he admitted it During the war, you know we had Newspaper magnets Lord Beaverbrook who ran the Daily Express and Lord Kensley who ran all the Daily records and all the rest of it and Churchill had both of them and his publicity committee so all of the newspapers in Britain were being aborted by these two guys and Even even at the time of the abdication Prior to the abdication the British people didn't know anything about King Edward And but the Prince of Wales and Missy Simpson Well the people in America and all over the world knew about it for a year because we Sensored the news coming in and Churchill was responsible for that. He was an opportunist. I feel very strongly. That was a wrong decision and It was it was the times You're a history you're a historian so you know that When the war ended in Europe Russia took advantage of the clear war in Japan and Russia and Japan had been at war many years before anything else and Russia brought down her Black Sea fleet to Vladivostok Which is in the Orient close to Japan and Russia had Literally turned out to have the greatest army of the war. That's what defeated the Germans and not the Americans And I think they were afraid That Russia was going to Make a move on Japan and they had to stop it and that's why I believe it dropped out of them I'm not learning that opinion Because the atom bomb was to destroy people They say that We still have veterans I hear have to discuss it with them all the time I get to know the atom bomb was to prevent to save lives of Okinawa We come from it we came from a country that didn't give a damn about lives This slaughtered millions of people in the first world war and the slaughtered millions of people in the second world war So why all of a sudden would we? Care for some Japanese lives No, the atom bomb was dropped deliberately To stop Russia totally political. I can't say that what people have forgotten about it I think people have forgotten a bit a lot of things and in society you know we're now We're now back to tribalism in that sense We have no longer It's John Porter said that there's the vertical mosaic, you know We were mosaic of cultures now and We talk about multi-cultures where we don't have multi-cultures and we have multi-cultures While doing their own thing and I'll have no one believes We really today We're seeing evidence of it. We just saw evidence of it in Quebec where They actually declared the Nantai Muslim law, you know, whoever heard of a Nantai Muslim law and Had the Nantai Jewish policy They've been Nantai Muslim policy, but we've we've got it here, too I you've heard it you've Everyone's heard it and that's sad. That's sad You no longer can see the lady looking at and seeing the kids playing in the meadow of all cultures and creeds That no longer happens When I'm doing this post an essay contest that I've talked to you about I'm dealing with the school kids in West Vancouver I'm not dealing with kids who grew up In a pro-British society, I'm looking kids who grew up all over the place They're actually I have no idea what The first world war was like because they were not involved in the first world war They were indirectly but not to the extent of fighting in France things like that And they have a different slant in life a different outlook on life than the kids of People who were brought up in this culture And I don't know how we're ever going to change that the kids themselves will change it because they integrate but I don't know how I don't know how they'll feel in ten years down the road because all the kids that I was at school with we we thought It was great to have this Variety of cultures coming over from Europe when I was playing with a German boy today I was playing with a Jewish kid today, but the same people ten years later. I've seen he's goddamn Jews I don't know how to like It's hard to say and I'm not about to try and figure it out No, no, it's a very complex society and To try and give an opinion and how society will be in a year or two years Who would ever have thought that society would be the society we have today ten years ago and people change according to the economics the change according to What is happening around them the guy who the guy who works in an auto plant and getting The good life a good life for his family and then gets laid off becomes a different person altogether He starts turning on his own work mates. I've seen that too Anyway, you think deep You think deep well first of all the hapsi understand it is not as romantic as they think I've said that many times And they also have to understand that war is an industry What is what is not not the way it used to be in the days of old and when people were supposed to be Chivalrous and gallant what today's industry We will be building spending hundreds and hundreds of million dollars to build War machines that will be obsolete in our time But to give us the right to build more war war machines, and we're doing that and never using them We're in an in an age where I think I read the other day that the United States and Russia have something like 400 atom bombs between them in different places all over the world That's scary. I don't know how young people conceive this at all They once described the UK a guy wrote a book actually, but the UK and called it the biggest aircraft carrier in the world and this was 1960 because of the American bases in the UK now They have you probably noticed they have submarines in Scotland American submarines in Scotland They've American planes in Scotland They've American planes in Germany have Americans planes the British planes in Germany we're all over the world now and The reason we're all over the world is because it's economic sound for us to be there We're all part of agreements and trade agreements But war is an industry It's an industry the war machine weapons We'll have a situation where Russia is supplying weapons to Syria Well, Syria is using these weapons to fight their own people In the United States supplying weapons to other countries. We are supplying weapons to our countries Chinese are supplying weapons It's an industry. There's a built building up of your own forces 1939 when we when the UK went to war they were training the soldiers with broomsticks you know, and I've always said that Had it been in 1938 For Neville Chamberlain said peace in our time the Neville Chamberlain saved the world Because had we been as rambunctious as Churchill wanted us to jump in there and fight them right away With no weapons, but that's imperialism We've the sword into the valley of death goes the gallant 600, you know The only people who didn't believe there were gallant 600 were the gallant 600 No Now what was much that what is much different? I don't know who to anyone what to believe Who is who? There are war leaders today that We're we support Israel over Palestine and Yet at the end of the war We were supporting Palestine to keep the Jews out of Israel in the ship's requirement So if we flipped over It was economic reason to support Israel economics, I don't know it's You got a hundred different people you got a hundred different answers to that question Johnny we called war. I think I gave you an example of Nelson Mandela Nelson Mandela Went to jail for 27 years and the people who kept him in jail Released him from jail and gave him the Nobel Prize Because it was no the world was no change and we needed To show that we too Were against apartheid Because we were for apartheid all the time he was for 27 years here because we believed that the Blacks of South Africa should be treated like the blacks of the southern states. We're still being treated that way In this in this great continent of ours we still treat black people The way we treated black people During the sea during the slave times in Alabama Mississippi, I don't know if you've been there, but my God the racism And and they show it I mean that we have a president of the United States who is a friend with The leader of the Ku Klux Klan If that's not the American president of the United States saying he believes in racism, what is I don't know I Don't have to figure out Thank God I would say the young people the response to society and response to humanity Have been responsible for the country means Have been the laws of the country Recognizing the race that they have Fain for the race they don't have or feign for any race. They think they should have Very interesting you know I belong to the Royal Canadian Legion and You know that in our Constitution If you're a communist you can't be a member of the Royal Canadian Legion But if you're a communist you can live in Canada because we have a charter race and freedoms and we've communists who run For relations and not allowed to run for the ages But the Royal Canadian Legion is an institution where we still fight the Cold War We still say that communism evil. Maybe it is. I don't know. I Know I know that totalitarianism evil. I wouldn't put it down to communism. I mean as a as a person claims have read Before he Reads before he jumps into any conclusions that the communist manifesto and Karl Marx Makes a lot of sense. I mean Karl Marx wrote one book called future society What the reading in which he says We should not punish crime until we punish the society which engenders crime Now I believe that we have a society which engenders crime That's why we have so many lawyers Because we have a society which engenders crime. Mein Kampf again That was a radical rambling But I was not an idiot, you know, he was not an idiot. I Wouldn't advise I wouldn't put Mein Kampf in the same class as the Karl Marx Karl Marx wrote much more than a communist manifesto Frédéric Ingalls all of them But they came from a different time And you've got to you've got to recognize the times There's a whole different Outlook today we see I Mentioned to you before that I crossed the bridge from my father and saw a guy sitting there Bagging well, he wasn't back and he he was dignity dignified. He was drawn in the street Need a car and you can throw money and to help him buy cranes That's all he was asking to do They wanted that money to feed himself not to buy cranes, but his dignity Give me an apple stuff out We see the same thing today People in the street, but they're not giving away anything They're begging for things and We look on them as a Sort of from a distance we we don't want to But not once Have I seen people stop and have a conversation with them I have I told to quite a few them and They all Recognize why they're there they just screwed up They tell you I told to one guy as a matter of fact I sat down beside him Down in groundville street and he he had his PhD. Well, he was a PhD candidate He didn't know And he got caught up caught up in drugs and views and Stole some money went to jail for a little while told me all about it he says and He puts down and he puts down in his papers that he's got his BA and his MA and he's a PhD candidate But he also puts down that he was incarcerated And incarceration trumps everything else and he can't get a job That's wrong. If he doesn't put incarceration down And they find out he gets fired And he gets fired for Not being truthful. So that goes on to his next record stand. We don't know how to treat people And we treat all the wrong people All the Wrong people rightly and the right people wrongly it's difficult to talk to me about young people today because The young people I see today are Nice clean young people, but their values are all screwed up, you know Then they have money to burn and this is and this turn anyway, they've money to burn I hear them at night and I the other night I came I was over the Orpheum and I got up to after 10 o'clock. So I got the bus home. It's after another one I got off the bus at 17th Street and four porches Come fly and pass me like 200 miles an hour and all kids are in them kids. I Can't relate to kids like that, you know so I don't know But I have lots of faith in the young people because that's that's our future and And There's got to be a Number of them are we're gonna make it better The number who don't care and the ones who don't care are better than the ones who make it worse Yeah, well as I said earlier, I think we're predators, you know Human beings don't fight wars If you really get right down to it Wars become a part of humanity and As I say, we are predators So it just feels that we have to fight wars. I don't understand why we're fighting wars. I don't understand what this ISIS is I don't know who's in it and nobody knows who's in it. I don't understand why War has changed as it has It's no longer tanks It's tanks, but that's not it's not only tanks It's It's about vans and trucks Loaded with explosives driving into civilians This part there was possibly more civilians being killed today Then there is soldiers when you think of the number of people in Bangladesh right now and the number of people in Syria Number of people all over the world civilians My solvers and they were killed by strange means. They've been killed by guns. They've been killed by People blood themselves up in restaurants and cafes and I don't understand it It's like it's like there's a I wish to kill I wish to die for the people you're killing You know, I don't think I can answer that question That they take an interest in the country and they start they start paying attention to what's happening Most people do not pay attention They take it for granted that there's going to be something happening in the news tonight They're going to turn on the news tonight and somebody's going to blow up something somewhere The Russians are going to invade the Russians are going to fight the Ukrainians the Ukrainians are going to retaliate against Bosnians or whoever the hell they are and it's all it's all like a cultural religious jihad and I I don't even understand it When we take we send troops to Iran We'll send 10,000 troops Iran and then the next month. We've decided it will pull 10,000 troops out of Iran You know, I don't understand it As I say it's an industry and you have to put the workers for the Gamers, that's all the young people and I get that When I when I was young as I said when you were fighting for against How do you expect young people to stop war when they don't know what the hell it's all about I Would say that they don't want to see people being blown up. They don't want violence So they want to stop violence But how are they going to do it? That's the young people. That's them what they want. Don't ask me If I was a young if I was a young man today, I really wouldn't know What to do? I see young young guys join the army That's fine But they are even the army today is different the armies not advertised and come and join up join up to fight the Russians or fight somebody else the army is advertising today to say join the army and learn a trade I'm all for that Join the army and learn how to Be a plumber that's okay but I Don't know. I'd like to hear how young people feel about that Interview some of the young people that's them How they feel about How could you stop war? Dancers you'll never stop war but Let's have a whack at it well, of course Of course if you don't protest and you've got to bring it to some disattention Otherwise, I'll just Die out the only thing I have against it is that Many people take advantage of it for example I went on an anti-war thing in Vancouver With a number of people from West Vancouver, we went over there and in the parade There was women's rape center Men men are evil men fight against wars stop rape stop this they take advantage of it and They become just a big mass and people don't know what it is all about. They just think it's a bunch of That's all That's what I'm finding with trades The trades that I used to go into it everybody carried a sign and talked about why we were there And now you go into this You don't know Why they're there and it's a fun day blowhorns and whistles and Stuff like that and it loses its effect. It's just a nuisance, you know and Yeah, actually a person who is in there for a legitimate reason actually feels it He shouldn't be there when you're walking down there protesting war in Iran or Iraq and the guy behind you's got a saying that says legalize marijuana you know The crowd see that they don't see your sign, so I Demonstrate less and less now. I'm an anti-war maker an anti-war movement That's if you believe in anti-war you take part anti-war move to be anti-war legalize marijuana I'm in favor of both these things, you know, but I don't think this will be marching together I'm talking about the anti-war parades now No, I know And the women's rape center, you know, all these signs And I'm opposed to rape And I support the women's rape center, but I don't want a sign Carried by them saying men are evil, you know things like that. I came into the world in peace and I wanted to leave it in peace and I Want to eliminate property. I want to see all the good things that I believe in I want mankind to recognize humanity. I think that's That sounds philosophical, but that's what I believe Just being good just being good Love thy neighbor. That's the best thing to say. Yeah, I can't answer that for my legacy would be interesting. I Just want people to say that he wasn't a bad guy You know, all they can say who's an ass I don't care People from the side and don't believe me think that anyway, so I just like to think that I didn't do anybody harm willfully do harm Everyone does somebody harm at some time, but I will put no willfully I've actually got to the point now where I don't read newspapers anymore I'm sad to say that but that's because of my feeling eyes, you know, I find it's easier to get more information from my daughter or from other people and And of course I watch the news programs. I listen to NPR Which is a good station to get things what he listened to NPR. Yeah, I forget it's a good station but I Can't read the North Shore news because a print is too small These are the failures in life, you know the physical things, you know You know even with glasses it's So I get to the point now the newspaper has become a big print is they should get a big print newspapers with their own cell The newspapers are going down. There'll be no newspapers in a few years I was just heard that last night actually that the amalgamation of the National Post in the Toronto Starry terrible Two totally different philosophies. How did how it puts up editorials is when you're right. I grew up in a time I grew up in a time when they have you ever had a pipe clay? Okay, well, this is a bar. It's like a bar of soap when he's chopped And it's made of it's called pipe clay There was a special clay that was manufactured in the old days for pipes You can buy a clay pipe for a penny and Put your back in it and workers did this, you know, but so they weren't using their good briars and stuff like that and This was called ugly Because it looked like shock well there was a crossroads where I lived as I lived a rural area and it was a crossroads and My father would go there or somebody else who was involved in a meeting and he'd take this pipe play So it's this thick and you'd write it that way. So the writing is thick meeting tonight 7 p.m. summertime So I said It's seven o'clock. There would be a cart when these Cards are the horses, please. They say it's horse and cats In the middle of the road and whoever was calling the meeting would be speaking and All the population would be around it everybody came They came because it was a meeting. They didn't know what kind of meeting it was going to be until they got there It could be a political meeting. It can be a religious mean but that was Days when people were interested in communications They wanted to know what was going on now We've a meeting tonight at the the Legion. It's an election night and we'll be lucky if we can elect an executive Nobody nobody comes to meetings anymore Same the library Yeah, there's a Palmerville Smith Jones Holes are meeting here and all the people that come Of the local liberal association So why do you need a meeting? You know, it's going to be said, you know, it's all about My father was like that. He my father believed it Why should I believe in the Left-wing press when I know what the left wing is doing and taught me that you read the right wing press You don't need to read the left-wing press I mean, if you're a communist, you don't have to read Mark. She'd read Adam Smith, you know Find out why you're a communist. I Bored it on at one time. I actually thought we joined the commons party Because I had a lot of buddies who were the commons party and during the war, you know the whole of the population of the UK was wearing a red star and Opened the second front for the Russians, you know And communism, we thought the Russians were great during the war but I bordered on it once because I Went to so many meetings of the commons party like public meetings and Listened to all the speakers and boy, they had some great speakers They knew what they were talking about And they came from all walks, you know, they came from university professors to Shipyard workers, but they were all smart You excited who was going on And of course Unfortunately communism as I'm talking about it has totally distorted by totalitarianism, you know Oh, I bought it at one time. I thought boy, they're smart people. They've seen all the great things and The Tories the liberals the NDP whatever I listen to them all because They're all saying the same things Today, they're all saying the same things in different ways some of our money Everything's about money John Horgan and you and EP prime minister. He wants to go to the NPS The liberals are saying that They want to modify the NPS That's nothing philosophical parties anymore and And that's because they have to they have to work with society now, you know after the war I Went back to school. I was going to pass it. I told it and I was with this fella Called Tommy Wilkinson and Tommy was interested in taking a business course. He was into Management stuff like that. He's doing good And he kept applying for jobs He came from a place called Rose Street in the garbos of Glasgow, which was like the Bowery Avenue, New York and He kept getting turned down so he came to my father He came in me actually first and yet as my father if when he was sending his letters and his applications Could he use our address? Now we weren't million else, but we were pretty okay. My father was professional as an engineer civil engineer and We did that and on his first application he got an interview and that guy when I left The UK was the general manager of Micahson stout See now that's That's in a nutshell what the UK was like they look at your address When I applied for course And Hamilton shortly after I came here So she came me Hamilton. I just wanted to get into a gas student card got close. I wasn't going to Stay in there. It was just the Adult education And they said by in the fifties one of the question was Has any other member of your family attended university? Well, my father did my mother did And I answered that and I was wrong to answer that because that was a class question The son of a doctor can get into medical school even if he's stupid Then the son of a laborer who's a genius and I found out in this country. That's why I taught him But it was the same class system. I don't know if it's the same today. You in the university I don't know if it's the same today. I'd be well so I get interested in library because my mother was an art teacher and She was one of those progressive women's assistant before who Went back to work after she had her children and what like the women do today which was totally different to anything in her group and She used to have to do Some schools in Glasgow in a Thursday You in that inspecting type things Tuesdays and Thursdays and That was what she was doing. So she'd get the train from Thornybank and she'd drop us off at Pollock Sharks railway station And my grandfather would be there to meet us because he was retiring and Pretty well semi-retired babies getting retired and He would meet as they take us up to my grandmother's and my young sister two of us She was saving my grandmother my grandfather Would have lunch and then after lunch we take the dog grandfather myself Don't the pub That's how we get the pub now getting the pub with them. The dog would stay outside. Just lie down. I knew it Yeah, and we get in the pub in those days of pubs close at three o'clock in the afternoon and opened again at five There was a stupid stupid Scottish loss, but we'd be on there from One o'clock With all the men and I loved it. He used to take me and sit me in the end of the bar right on the bar and Jim drawn was the bartender and he'd give me a little glass of beer And I loved the color of that usher's paleo. I always remember it And I'd watch all these men and they were mostly at my grandfather see captain's last evening they all had suits ties and Watches and the smoke pipes and they all cut the tobacco shaved the tobacco Pass it to each other and share each other's tobacco. I love the smell some of everything about it but right across the road from this pub was a The library the Stirling library That was up It was look in that building above a food shop type. I think it was a small area Miss Lee law It's a librarian So one day she come out and she said to my grandfather, you know, I've been watching You taking this child into that pub She said I know there's nothing wrong with that But she said it's not a good environment for having a child. She said so when you come down here with the dog She says go and talk with your friends leave him with me in the library So That's what they did and I didn't care for that at a time I used to sit in the floor and she'd give me those two cards It was a red card and a blue card the red card You had to take a fiction book in the blue card. You had to take an on fiction book you had to take two and Put the cards into slots everything so she showed me how you do that and sit with them I used to sit in the floor and she sat in a high chair like one of your school teachers Just all I used to see was a different color of blue but she wore every day, you know and all that stuff and I sat there so when people Say to me, how did you first interest in the library? I said interest in the library to get me off the beer at four years of age But I was and I and it was great. She taught me everything about books and she'd tell me stories Read this and that So I was also in library as far as I'm concerned librarians of the salt death I made a speech here when they've changed that Thing outside To this this flag, you know and and good heart was a chairman in town. I made a speech and I said that That it was librarians to fight censorship librarians keep us honest It's like the abbeys, you know There's no burning the books when there's librarians around There's also great Affinity for librarians Miners and coat miners and semen you know What happened was After the war Before work before the war in Europe had been declared had also been on the books that we were going to go to the far east For the end of the Japanese campaign So we were in deep sea rescuers and so we started off to get out there But the war was ending But we just kept as I wanted to there anyway for a station so we traveled Out there to the far east and while we were in the far east we operated As a man of war with the navy because there was all sorts of unrest going on There was unrest in Burma then there was unrest in India there was unrest in Malaya And there was unrest everywhere Because after the war for some reason It's like not just me in my mind not want to return to imperialism the the people of Malaya didn't want to return to imperialism So they separated Singapore Malaya with two different Entities then and they separated so we were stationed in Singapore quite a bit We went round to Hong Kong same things there. There's a lot of unrest By Zagabatan in India Kolkata Bombay and Bombay were in there during the time Because remember now we're talking now We've went out there at the end of 45. It's now gone all 46. We're getting into 47. India is going to have separation So everything was happening so From my demo you get a demob number in the navy, you know, and when your demob number comes up that means you get demobilized you you go home well many of the guys who were on our ships would Decided to go home demobilized and leave the ship. So they'd leave the ship They're going to barracks and one of the countries Singapore Hong Kong whatever they were and then they would So they're keeping in touch with us So two three months later They're still writing to me from the barracks. They're waiting in a ship and all the rest of it to go home and Going to some of them were going to the golden hind in Australia. That was a big demobilization place for the pacific fleet And they were still there. So in my mobilization number came up. I decided to help I'm going to stay with the ship because it's going back within a year and these guys might take me that long to go to go there so instead of Going back fast with my ship I had every war That was going on in the bloody world in the way home Even coming through the sewers canal When I thought well, thank god when the Mediterranean now there's nothing happening up here. We're going to go home we ended up fighting to these immigrants that illegal Jewish immigrant ships going into so we to fight and turn them back and take them to Cyprus and That that's what I was talking about So it was it was an experience going back because the world was changing and we were Now involved in the politics of the world right around the war of the world, you know, and I go home in January 1947 and I actually started My demobilization number came up in november 1945 So met a lot met a lot of met a lot of strange Conditions that I never thought I would meet Was in was in a place called Trivandrum That's in the tip of India contentment from the French part of India. It was at one time Trivandrum and Met guys who actually had machetes Who were waiting for us to come a short machetes Because we were showing the British flag the British flags of Butcher's apron, you know, it's not respected all over the places it's been And the American flags were coming on Butcher's apron too and the Canadian flag is Getting that way, you know we're not We're now treated like Americans, you know God I was always an anti-publicist always Oh Absolutely, absolutely That Nothing makes sense you see if heard of collardin in scotland For the English massacres the Highlanders And this idiot ready for his charity the Polish born Pretender got me Well The guy who read that who read the raid against and slaughtered everything in collardin is hated He was a Colonel Wolf But over here He's loved because he was a general wolf Same guy That's imperialism. It was a case of swashbuckling Churchill was a swashbuckler. Not that I'm aware of, you know, you know We went alongside one of these old rusty ships that was bringing the Jews into israel from Europe Illegal they were and we went alongside we're going to them, you know Dropping their piss parts and their shit parts on us, you know So a lot of people turned down to symptoms in those days, but they figured out it's the way they lived But no, I I figured we didn't say Shit has and then of course a Trying to think of the hotel in Haifa St. David's King David King David Hotel Haifa for the executed the British soldiers hang them all the British soldiers So that these things were happening but then They were resisting us Like they hadn't resisted Hitler And turned into one of the biggest war states in the world now They've got more weapons and tanks in the Middle East than any of them My wife's friend Tova, a Jewish girl in Hamilton, Tova My wife actually thought I'd be going to the cabbage before I met her Because of Tova But Tova's brother was flying a jet plane When I and this is back in the late 50s Stand to fly a fighter In Israel and I says in Israel What the hell do we do with fighters in Israel? So the Sheltie within 10 years have been Coming out of Belsen and Dachau and places like that and Auschwitz They were already preparing to fight Other downtrodden people. That's the thing I have never understood Again, that's a religious war Muslims and Jews Don't try and figure it out You're going nuts Not today, I don't think But in Marx's time, I certainly thought Marx had the idea You see Marx never thought that communism would start in Russia He always thought it would start in America Because America was Marx was talking about the exploitation of workers From exploitation of people And there was more going on for that in the United States And there was no Soviet Union Because there was no Soviet Union, first of all It was imperial Russia And Marx wasn't fighting feudalism He was fighting industrialization It was during industrialization He wrote the Communist Manifesto The world was already screwed up with feudalism and imperialism He was talking about the new societies And how the new societies should progress And a lot of it came from the Bible A lot of it came from the thought From other things Big mythologies Stuff like that In history But It was possible it could have worked It was misrepresented By people who opposed to capitalism See, one of the things If you really want to sound a wee bit oddball In a lot of ways You say to yourself Why are they against it? When they're so bad That must be good See And if capitalism is so great When they're against communism It's a threat to capitalism Why are they so against it? They're spending all their time fighting it Because if capitalism is so great You don't have to worry about it So they were The cracks that were taking place In capitalism were being exploited By the people By the Marxists Now I don't know I met Castro by the way Because I went to a conference It was called the World Federation of Trade Unions 1982 I attended that And the World Federation of Trade Unions Was actually Embraced all trade unions in the world But right after the Second World War When they realized that many of the people On the WFTU Were socialists From Britain and Communist Australia had a big part in it George Meany Who was the President Of the American Federation of Labor Decided that There's no way America is going to get involved with this group Because we're going to fight communism This is the start of the Cold War So they Created a new organization No longer called the WFTU They called it the ICFTU International Confederation of Free Trade Unions And so when WFTU At this conference in Havana We Were not part of that But Dennis McDermott Who was the President of CLC at the time Dennis McDermott said We should have some observers there So he said we'll send Harry Because Harry doesn't give a shit We've been called the Congress So I went down with the two or three others And they We met Castro The school system The kids in schools The medical system Everything they were trying to get was great I don't know what was happening in the jails Of politics But I'll tell you this They were progressing And We were in We were in A great big compound It was beautiful compounds Built by Castro And the Russians were still Part of Helm Cuba at that time Because nobody else was doing it After the beer pigs And then I saw Even there That there was a class system Because when we were there We stayed in the hotel It used to be called the Hotel Hilton You know And it's called the Hotel Big Hotel in Hibana at that time And we had Interpreters Mostly students Interpreting, taking us around and stuff like that Then in the last Couple of nights We had a great big reception Out in this beautiful compound And none of the kids Were there I said well So and so But they didn't make it All the wives of the diplomats And all the rest of it Were there to take up the place As interpreters They introduced themselves At the classes of Interpreters And they couldn't So I saw that It was pretty shitty After all the great things we'd seen I saw that it was pretty shitty But when I met Castro It was interesting Because we were told Just asking about What you're here to see The progress and stuff like that And the reason for this conference It was 10 years after The WFTU had been founded Actually No, it was 40 years after It had been founded But the reason we were there Is because Cuba was going to join WFTU And Canada We weren't part of it We were just observers The thing about it was All of those people Had visions Of a society And that was Marxism And communism And the kids in school Were all dressed nicely I said don't know what's happening We met all the workers We met cigar makers But anyway So I just Well, as you're going to have Ana Harbour There's a great big statue of Jesus Christ During the Sermon on the Mount It's been there from It's a Catholic country And I said to him It's interesting because The concept of People outside of Cuba Is that Cuba is not religious And yet Entering the Havana Harbour You see a great big statue Of Jesus Christ At the entrance to Havana Harbour He goes like that At the exit You need religion out there, don't you? You've got communism That's what he was saying But it was the way he did it It's at the exit He's a big guy I never saw him In all the fatigues that you see When he wore a suit at the whole conference It was an interesting time A lot of people in that job Because The Union had 7 million people in the States And it's all over During the 1967 67 riots in Chicago You know the big thing Hubert Humphrey was running for president And I I was We had our convention Delegates all there Because we would support the Democrats And I was In my convention So I had the United State Workers Press Association Some sign up for him So Hubert Humphrey's Campaign manager Was a guy called Ed Butchie He was there So we're ready for this We're in the scrum And I got a hit in the shoulder With this big camera NBC camera And I said what the fuck And it turned around It was Sam Donaldson Who was the journalist To tell me to get in the camera But Butchie turned around and cleared at me You know because he'd heard it Humphrey too But then he saw the United State Workers So I was stunned And then Butchie introduced Hubert Humphrey He says we'll take the questions First question he'll take us from Mr Greenwood See Donaldson actually Who the hell is he And I said 7 million votes That's who I am And I had nothing to ask So I asked about acid rain Because that was a predominant thing Between Canada and the States And he said oh you must be a Canadian You know how nice little experiences And things like that Not at all Not at all Censorship is censorship You can't pick and choose If you start picking and choosing You're all over the place We had an incident here When Anne Goodheart was the Was the director And she was before Jenny And She was the director And Somebody complained That We had A gay and lesbian newspaper On the stand outside there I think we still have don't we Yeah And she brought it to the board And she said that She assured the guy that They would be removed And I said like hell they will They'll stay there And they would have caused The great big frackers here By doing that Anything you do in censorship You've got to be 100% clear You either censor it Censor everything Or don't censor anything You can't censor everything The only people who censored everything Was the services during the war They read your letters And all that I said So they found ways of Saying I'm going to visit My own culture I'm going to come and buy you Russia No I'm totally opposed to any kind of censorship You can be opposed to What's been said But you don't cut it out I mean After things you read you get opposed to And wonder why they get into the newspapers In the first place Just a few weeks ago I think it was only last week There was a whole front page of the North Shore News About a guy who had Received Francis Highest Honor Yes You saw that Well Many of us got it three years ago And it went without any mention And they were calling up the Legion And they said How come it was so different Between us and everybody else's It was not only a front page It was a few pages Of a guy who never got over there Until The war was a year after So you see I could immediately go up Arms over there But I thought what the hell Give the guys a break Half the veterans Were observing that And wondered Why was it in the first place He never left here until November 1944 While he did he was in But there was still a war in France You know So I just come from newspaper And I know exactly where it's coming from You know The most important thing you have to learn In a newspaper is the proofreaders You see a lot of mistakes in newspapers And that's because Proofreaders put in What the reporter writes All of us type like that You know And we make mistakes Well if the proofreader catches a good That's why we don't correct them But if he doesn't catch it So he didn't catch it It's not the end of the world But nobody can afford To miss An obituary Or a marriage Or a birth That's proofread and proofread And there's pain for that And that's the only one show In the paper The proofreader is there to check Advertising and page And entries And anything else he doesn't give a shit about And neither does the reporter You learn a lot in history of things And The thing too About the press Is We had an international president It was a time they were talking about Something Steal Tariffs or something And he was going to explain it What we thought about it And before he went on And this was in Pittsburgh Before Because I said head office Before he went on I went over and I said to the guy How long has he got And he says We'll give him a minute and 30 seconds You know they know So I went over to the president And says okay When you go on there You speak for a minute and 30 seconds And don't be Diverted in any way Speak for a minute and 30 seconds Because I assume maybe you're getting a message If you start Rambling all over the place Cut everything Because it's not live News is not live You know that So when you're dealing with media You've got to realize that before anything Goes on to that news They check it out The lawyers check it out The legal department checks it out The newspapers legal department checks everything You know Before it even hits the streets So there's no such thing as news Yesterday's Two hours ago or four hours ago Yeah But I do I do like openness