 Okay, looks like we are recording so I'm going to go ahead and get started so again welcome everyone to our February marketing committee meeting. I'm Christy T and the director of marketing and member programs here at CNCF so I know a lot of you on the call but always good to see some new and familiar faces if you are new welcome we're so happy that you decided to spend the hour with us today. Just a couple things housekeeping items before we get started obviously already know this year you made it yay in the right meeting. If you're looking for something else not marketing committee related feel free to drop. And then just a heads up to this call is recorded we record these meetings and provides the slides as the resource to our members who couldn't make the call today so if you don't want to be recorded feel free to turn your video off and you can type in the chat if you'd like. The next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, March 2. So just a month from now and we'll go over some updates and hopefully have some interesting discussion topics. And then just a reminder that you know we do have this anti trust policy so you know we do talk about confidential things in here so don't do anything that's illegal. But the circle of stress we don't want to have to get the lawyers involved with anything. And that's for our agenda today we're going to go through some announcements per usual and then we'll talk a little bit about membership you'll get an update on content marketing, ARPR events. And then that'll take us to the hour. All right, any questions before I get going. Okay, let's do it. The first very very exciting announcement is that we have a new marketing committee chair so congrats Carla. We're so happy that you are here. Yeah Carla. I have to tell you it was a very very very close election we had a lot of awesome candidates. And we're just so excited so I want to pass the floor to Carla to introduce yourself and talk a little bit so I'll pass it to you Carla. Thank you very much Christy. And thank you very much everybody for for giving me this opportunity. As Christy mentioned, there were other awesome candidates and I'm truly truly honored and beyond excited to be here today as the new chair. And in the next version I know I introduced myself last time as well I don't want to be myself too much. I currently oversee everything content community events of content solutions, which is a consultancy specialized in cognitive transformations. And we're also the ones behind some initiatives that you might know you might not know such as WTF is cognitive and the software circles. So I've been in the cloud ecosystem for a while, and now I'm excited to use my expertise and my, my knowledge here with the CNCF. Thank you very much. Yay, awesome Carla we're so happy to have you as I was saying, I just wanted to make a quick comment to, as we kind of thought about this role in 2022. We really want Carla to be more involved in these meetings so helping me kind of coordinate some roundtable discussion topics, as well as having her own office hours where you as members can meet with her. Maybe you have a question about how to get involved with an online program or you want some coaching on blogs. I'm definitely here for a race as a resource and happy to help so we'll be in touch with some opportunities of where you can meet her outside of this meeting. But definitely our staff is always available as well but we're super excited to have Carla and have that resource for you all, especially as you navigate some of these new programs or maybe you're brand new and you're just not sure where to get started so super happy to have you. And with that, you know, Carla and I met last week or maybe the week before just to kind of talk about these, you kind of the structure of these meetings and how we can make them more valuable for you all. And with that, we're going to move into some poll questions just to kind of break the ice a little bit so I'm going to go ahead and launch the poll. And for free to participate if you'd like we'd love to get as much participation as we can. So the first, give it just a second here. The question is, can you all see it, hopefully. Yeah, I can see it. Okay, so the first question is how often do you attend these meetings monthly occasionally or this is my first time. Go ahead and answer your questions there and then I think it will take you to the next question which is, what's your level of membership. And there's a question about what would you like to see in during these meetings in 2022. And then the last one is asking you about if you're planning to attend coupon Europe in person. We're starting to think about maybe doing some sort of in person mixer happy hours so above your responses there so I'll keep the poll open for a couple minutes or two just so folks can participate. And I'll be quiet so you can think about it. I know the third one was a tough one to choose. I was, I almost switched it to having multiple answers that I was trying to just do once so we could have more concrete. And I think that's good but sort of to your, your comments on sort of Carla driving more kind of discussion here right. I'm kind of after both. And also there's going to be many more opportunities to discuss we can meet one as well like Tracy mentioned I'm going to have office hours starting next month. So we can bring some together as well. This is like just to start and understand which are the areas and how we can networking and collaborate more. I just did maybe a suggestion at table for later but you could do a, not that people want more meetings but you could do two meetings run sort of like the talk does where one is kind of a LF up there see excuse me cnc f update report out hey here's what's going on. And the next one could be sort of just brainstorming on hey how are things going. What's working and what's not working what need ideas do folks have you know something like that. Yeah, that's really interesting idea. We'll go ahead and leave a poll open for about another minute looks like we've got about 66% participation that's great. I'm also taking notes in the meantime. Yes, me too. I'm writing on my little notebook over here. Every suggestion is welcome. Yeah, and if you want to put a suggestion in the chat that's that's totally okay as well. We definitely are here to help and love your feedback this is really going to help us kind of structure these meetings. A little bit better make them more useful and as you think of more ideas that's always open to you. All right, about another 30 seconds or so. Again, we're all taking the taking the polls and we really appreciate this real time feedback as you know we ran a member survey towards the end of last year and shared those results but we wanted to pull the people who show up to these meetings as well and just get a gauge for how you all are feeling as well. Then that's okay. No worries. There's no failure on the test. All right, I'm going to go ahead and close out the poll and then we'll take a quick peek at the answers real quick here. Okay. So hopefully, can you all see the answers. Yeah. Okay, awesome. So for the first one that looks like majority of you. Yeah, you attend every month which is great. That's awesome and welcome to our occasional and first timers as well I know all of our schedules are super busy right now so I do appreciate you taking the time to come with us. And as for level of membership, we've got a lot of silvers in the house that's awesome followed by a few platforms and some goals and some folks not sure. If you have questions about your membership feel free to reach out to me I can absolutely help you with that or I can connect to Savannah who runs our business development while Caitlin's out on maternity leave for the next two months. So what would you like to see during the meetings in 2022. Okay, so it looks like breaking down the member benefit marking benefits and how to get started okay great this is kind of what we were thinking Carla. I'm really diving into them. Followed by it looks like wow the updates from CNNC effort popular and networking opportunities as well. Yes, absolutely. And we're on table discussions. Okay, good, good and I know again it was tricky to just pick one so appreciate you all thinking one. Awesome. Okay it looks like 70% of you are planning to be at cube con in Europe which is great. And so yeah we'll start thinking about Carla you and I about kind of maybe doing some sort of in person component we can chat about that offline but that's great. Okay, everybody is very eager to to meet again and Valencia question I guess we're always excited not to be there, but it's good for this group to have an opportunity to meet each other and and have a chat in person. Yes, absolutely. I'm very excited to do the ones that I've only heard amazing things from the events team so I'm really excited about that. And Carla did you want to ask anything else before we kick it off to the next sections of the marketing committee anything else you want to chat through. Again, if there's any other suggestions of topics or something that is currently not happening during these meetings and you think that we can add or create the opportunity to have like dedicated conversations please feel free to suggest it now or I know it takes sometimes to to think about ideas so feel free to reach out and I see actually that Jose. I don't know if it raises hand and it wants to. Yeah, looks like you. Hi. Hello guys. Here in Latin America, South America, Columbia, specifically. Basically, that we are intended and we have tried and it's our main purposes that we're very strong in the Latin communities, specifically in the Hispanic and Spanish community. And we're trying to gather and help you the foundation to get more content and we're producing a lot of blogs and we have a lot of information and in fact we're the pioneers of the Spanish community in Latin America so we would like to have a little bit more one to one talk with someone. The ideal is to deploy more information and continue being this strong community that we're getting here. We're ready in the whole continent and we're planning to expand also to Spain. So I think whatever help we can get from you guys will be very, very helpful. So, I don't know when we can talk about this topics and yeah something that it will be very helpful. So that will become the most powerful in the world and specifically in Spanish. Yes, absolutely. That's awesome was a thank you for bringing that up. I'm happy to chat with you all put my email address in the chat and then we can find a time to chat and then happy to we've been Carla. I would love to hear more about what you're doing and then maybe there's an opportunity to host a Kubernetes unity day or something like that but that's awesome. Thank you for raising your hand and saying that we're so happy that you're doing that work and want to support you however we can. Thank you very much. Because I also speak a bit of Spanish if it helps. So we can shop. Awesome. Okay, any other comments before we move on to the next next few announcements in the meeting and then into our updates of course. All right, I'll go ahead and move to the next thing. So just a reminder that the CFP is for our co located events happening during cube con cloning upon Europe. The deadlines are approaching for these in February you can see them broken out here so if you have a topic or something that you want to recommend talking through for any of these co located events highly recommend you submit your CFP. Just be mindful of the deadlines the first one being on Valentine's Day. So I don't have a quick Valentine's Day pun on the top of my head. You know if you want to be sweet to yourself or if you love CFP, make sure you get them in by February 14. That's the best I can do today. So with that I'm going to go ahead and go into our membership updates. So welcome to our new members we've got some new silver members are silver and user member. Excited to see our nonprofit and academic members come through especially the open compute project and those folks are going to be on this call so hi. And then also University of Michigan welcome. And then we also have a couple more and user supporters we love having new members so again if this is your first time super excited to see you here and welcome. All right, and then just a quick update if you're keeping tabs on a member acquisitions will be you try to do our best here if you notice anything that's missing so free to let us know. There it looks like there was an acquisition here in January and February with Opsoni getting a car by Cisco. Oh, and I'm going to check the chat real quick. And thank you Peter for the roses are read. There's a link in the market slide for trends. Yes, Bradford will get to that in a second I think Carl remind me if I'm wrong some of the blogs, or some of the research that's in the analyst relations slides is gated you have to have a membership to acquire that. But we'll get to that when we get there. Oh, and it looks like because you have your hand raised again. Do you have a question. Oh, no, no, no is to play that man was still raised, but I will. Just want to make sure we hear you. Awesome and with that I'm going to go ahead and hand it over to our PR AR folks so Katie Jesse and Carl handed over to you. Yeah, hi. We had some great coverage actually in January started off with litmus chaos which joined the incubator, tons of interest, some really good articles here. Some of the media spoke with the project maintainers so happy to have anybody read through those articles. And then we just had a bunch of additional coverage stemming mostly from the slash data report which I'm sure everybody should be aware of at this point because we have really good articles. A couple of came out from France as well. Definitely worth a read. And then, yeah, Carl can talk about the analyst reports and some of them are are gated, but he'll give you more information. Yes, for sure. So, the reason I pull out these reports is if your company has a subscription with one of these cut these analyst firms. It's like a selection of resources that you could use for demand generation lead generation so on so forth. So that's how they're intended to be used are also a great way to keep track of where the analysts are seeing trends in the market. And then strategically, you can look in and see okay where do I want to make a play on where analysts are looking at how analysts are looking at the market. Unfortunately, if you don't have subscription access, you won't be able to see some of this research. But if you do is a great way to keep up with the market and market trends and so on so forth. One particular article I wanted to flag today which is actually it's in a blog post but the actual research is is gated and that's just forster forster released forster wave on public cloud container platforms and that's one of their bigger reports that they do every year. This is the first time they've done it on public cloud container platforms. But the thing I wanted to flag for you guys is Christian I have been working a lot with these analysts in the background. And we've been working with them quite a bit on making sure that they see the importance of ecosystems in and and cloud native within this. Marketplace, and it actually came to fruition in this research where one of the key differentiators and one of the key criteria that they were judging the vendors on was their commitment to open source and that's why I wanted to flag for you guys was that this is something that Christian I've been doing a lot of work on and it's that the analysts are catching on where they're seeing that member or vendors commitment to open source and to CNCF is now becoming a key criteria and how they are viewing the market and how they are ranking vendors in the market and suggesting vendors to their key buyers. Cool and that's that's all I have for you Jesse. Awesome. Thanks. Sorry, can I ask a quick question of course yeah. Nice girl. You guys have been really good in the past and just organizing that data. I'll be honest with you as a CEO of a company it's a little hard to go through every report. You guys do a really really good job at pulling out the information that's that's viable that we can use for marketing and straight up we have. So in going through the reports definitely again understand that, you know, there's alignment here with certain companies, definitely we're willing to pay for certain things. If you could put the overall understanding what happened in those reports as you have been in the past with the stats that really pertain to CNCF and across the board. That'd be great and that that would also make us give us a little bit more of a beta on the hook to want to kind of join those. So just to clarify you're looking for a little bit more information on the actual article. On the actual report yeah so like you usually pull out certain certain percentages of what's happening in the industry, where people are investing certain things for some reports and then those are all really really good that you usually have meetings which is one of the reasons I'm here and I'm sure many people are. So if you guys can kind of do that consistently as well so we know what's in those reports. And then again if we find it valuable definitely get will join those companies or get the logins or whatever we got to do, but that's just a recommendation for it as well. That's super helpful. Yeah, the only the one thing I would flag is some of the times I don't have the access to research myself. So I'll do as much as I can to get access and through back channels and through blogs and so on and so forth, and then I'll put up and get you guys what you need as much information. I appreciate it not on you Carl but again somebody is listening here so if you're going to put the links of certain reports, let us know what it's about and why it's why it's valuable. Thank you, Brad. Oh, I'll add to there's also the, I don't know if you saw it Brad for Thursday. Analyst report for 2021 that kind of goes a little bit into more detail about some of these stats and topics and percentages and things. If you haven't seen that already we can definitely put it in the chat maybe probably you can add that link. I found that report really helpful to that kind of goes a little level deeper but yeah definitely love the feedback and I think I did yes. I just wanted to add that. I think it was Bradford speaking a moment ago. You know there's some awesome sites like I were using tech news.io right now that you can type in query terms and it'll pull back every author that's published on say like I work on wasm cloud and from so I can pull up anybody that's published on wasm cloud or topics what magazines and then give me stats about details as far as drilling down into that content. It really helps from an engagement perspective to understand what analysts what writers are interested in the topic and where they've been publishing that for working on contributed content and placing content and stuff. So I'll drop some links into chat just as an FYI, you know just some resources and I think there's three or four of these are PR team uses on those as well so happy to do a cross connect there. If it helps very much for sure. Awesome that's great love to see the community helping each other that's awesome. Alright Jesse I'll hand it back over to you to talk to the media coverage key messages. Yeah, but this is just for every, every month we just put this up here for everybody's just insights on key messages. They don't, they don't really change too much which is interesting obviously securities always top, along with machine learning and AI and edge actually. So, then we also just have the graduated and incubating projects as well just noted on here for information. Awesome. Alright, I'm going to go ahead and pass it over to Libby to talk about our online programs in the content marketing section. Hey Libby. Hey y'all, how's it going. Happy January. In January we had a kind of a limited version of online programs as we got revamped into the new year. So we took the first week first two weeks off except for a couple small programs. In total, we had oops I should have updated that for where it says December should be January but three live streams. We're showing an average of 48 years live per session and you can see tons of watched minutes, and then tons of views post event on between twitch and YouTube. We did not have any on demand webinars just yet because like I said again we're kind of shut down for the beginning of the month. We had two live webinars with tons of registrations y'all had lots of interest in those this month. Tons of views and one end user lounge live stream those are now an on demand format so instead of a live show we are pre recording those and posting them just like we do the on demand webinars so they're available and pop up the same way you just won't be watching those live. One other note, we did have a glossary kind of overview live stream that you might want to check out on our YouTube channel that gives information about the new CNCF glossary. We are now going to be streaming live to YouTube as opposed to twitch on cloud native live as of today in just a few minutes so there are your online program updates for January. And then cube weekly also ticking along we've got lots of interest and you know we're sending lots of great articles. We are working on a quick overview to kind of give you a little more insight into what the editors are looking for but very high level just remember to stay vendor neutral. And make sure it's something pretty current an article within the first last couple of weeks, and anything you think is kind of high level and kind of cutting edge interesting and send those over more, we're looking for all of this. Awesome thanks Libby I'm going to quickly talk about our little blog dashboard here before I pass it over to Charlie talk about case studies. And if you're new to this call, you might not be aware but we actually have this awesome blog dashboard where it pulls the real time Google analytics data. So you can take a look at the CNCF blog, whether to track your own blog that you've submitted or maybe you're curious about a specific topic or something like that. And it's a really great tool that Charlie are amazing content manager kicked off last year and I just love sharing this so if you want to dive into the CNCF blog you also you know as members are eligible to contribute there if you have questions about that. Reach out to our blog team I'll put their alias in the chat. But with that I'll hand it over to you Charlie to talk about our case studies. Oh thank you Kristian hi everyone. So end user case studies we've had a really good start to the year so far with two fantastic case studies but I wanted to take this opportunity to remind you all that we are creeping perilously close to keep on cloud native con in Valencia in just a couple of months. And of course we're also looking for really great stories to share with the community so if you've got a great cloud native transformation story. If your company has adopted any new technologies that you really want to shout about. This is a fantastic time to do it. And a reminder as well you don't have to do it in case study. You can submit a video. You can also take advantage of the online programs that Libby was just updating us on it's it's all part of the program. But one thing I really did want to draw all of your attention to also I can go back once Christie. I've been I've been working with the cartographos working group for a really fantastic bunch of very smart people. So the cartographos group is is all about kind of uniting the landscape and helping people to basically better understand what the cloud native journey is about through building a cloud native maturity model. Now they're getting to the stage where the cloud native maturity model is getting close to launch. And they would love to pair with some end users as they promote the maturity model at cube con and beyond. So if you are interested in sort of becoming part of that conversation you can join us on Slack. We've got it here on the slide. You can also learn more about the group's goals and what they do join in our bi-weekly meetings. Our next one is next Tuesday. Or feel free to reach out to me personally. I'm Charlie Mann. I'm on the CNCF Slack. But yeah, it'll be great to chat to a few folks who want to take advantage of that and talk a little bit more about their cloud native journeys. And in our next one, I just want to say thank you very much to our lovely friends at Boyant, who submitted this really cracking case study on one of their customers, Salt Security. This was super interesting. It's basically all about how LinkaD swooped in and saved the day and improved platform efficiency, reliability and performance in record time, I believe, of one week. So if you would also like to take advantage of this service, just a reminder that all the bits and bobs that you need to know are on GitHub, and all you need to do to kick it off is submit a quick proposal. So hopefully fingers crossed, looking forward to more of your fantastic stories. Awesome. Thanks, Charlie. All right, I'm going to go ahead and go into our events section. Our events director Vanessa is actually out sick, so I'm going to do my best to bump through her slides here. And I know we have some events colleagues that might be on the call as well if you answer any questions. So just a heads up on our Kubernetes Community Days program. Someone who joined us for KCD Brazil that happened in January and was super popular so awesome to see the community come together there. Just a heads up on a couple of KCDs that are coming here. They're listed. You can click on the links for each one if you'd like to get involved, maybe through sponsorships, CFP, or learn more. And then if you're curious about maybe proposing your own event or want to know more about the other KCDs that are on the roadmap, there's a couple links in here for you for reference. So just a background, our Kubernetes Community Days are kind of in a way mini cube cons. They're small regional events that are hosted by the community. We at CMCF kind of provide the blueprint, we give you best practices, tools, but they're really meant to be run by the community all across the world. And last year we refreshed the program so that we are including virtual events, but as things are starting to open up with caution, of course, we're seeing a couple in person coming through as well. Awesome. I'm going to go ahead and go to the next slide. I'm just a quick update on some of the events that we're going to be at in the next couple months here. We're noticing a lot of events are getting pushed. Industry events are getting pushed through later in the year, but none of our events are moving we obviously will let you know if anything changes there. And yeah, let's jump into our Christy just a quick question. When you say events we're going to be at. What does that mean that there's some member CMCF given a talk or there's a CMCF person given a talk. What does that mean, especially like which is now virtual. Sure, sure. It's actually tied to our sponsorship from us so we have a booth presence. We'll definitely give you a little bit more detail on this side if you're looking for a specific talk or to be honest. I was just curious, you know, we were hoping for them is going to be live and it's not and scale, you know, scale is pushed out so hopefully they make it as a live event so. And that's a super fun one for community folks. Yeah, no, that's great feedback. We'll definitely add a little bit more detail in here as to like, you know, forgiving a talk or if it's just sponsorship related and happy to do that for you. We're going to go ahead and move to the next slide. So as you all know, we have cube con Europe and Valencia coming up here in May right around the corner it feels like I highly recommend that you reserve your spot and register. There's information in here about the venue, the hotel where to get airline discounts, etc. And then there's also some information around health and safety and if you attended cube con LA last year in November the protocols will be the same in that you have to be fully vaccinated to attend. And then there's additional information around health and safety as far as like what vaccines are accepted, etc. And here, masks will be required at this point obviously our events team works really closely with the local health authorities to make sure that all the guidelines are up to par so things might change as we get closer to the event, but we always keep you in the loop so just a reminder about that. If you're still interested in sponsoring this event you have until February 25. So just make sure that you reach out to us let us know our sponsor teams happy to help. And then the schedule announcement will be coming in March so that's very exciting I can't believe we're right around the corner from the schedule. I just want to also thank you to our sponsors our diamond sponsors Cisco wall way until cast and by being red hat and VMware and our other levels of sponsorships we appreciate you all. Again if you are interested in sponsorship, and there is an alias here that you can reach out to in a reminder that the deadline is on the 25th. I'm going to quickly go through our co located events you're welcome to dive into these a little bit deeper there's a lot of information about costs, etc. In here, but the main thing is that as we were talking earlier the CFP deadlines are all happening in February so make sure you reference that top side of the deck if you're interested in submitting. We have cloud native wasm day cloud native security con and cloud native telco day this is the new one really excited about that one cloud native e B P F Wow almost said that right here. We still have Kubernetes AI day coming up fluent con and serviced mess con get ops con. Oh my gosh so many colos Kubernetes on edge three easiest day. And we highly recommend that you tack one of these on to your, your registration for keep on this can be a great way to dive into a different topic that you might not know anything about, or just get an update on what's happening. So again you can peruse all these links at your own leisure and highly recommend that you do and find the right one for you. And then just a quick note that if you are interested in hosting, or sorry if you are interested in sponsoring one of the co located events there's a little bit of information in here, as well as the first practice. And it looks like the deadline to submit a request for those is Friday March 8. So you have a little bit of time but highly recommend you jump on those especially for the specific one that is calling your name. And you can reach out to the sponsor team as well if you have any questions regarding this. All right, I'm going to go and move on to a cube con company of con North America that's going to be happening October 24 to 28 and Detroit, I'm really excited to be there I've actually personally never been there before so that'll be really fun. The CFP is going to be opening in March, and the sponsor deadline is going to be July 22. So not too early to start thinking about the plans for Detroit as well. So again to our sponsors who have already signed on, especially our diamond sponsors AWS Intel casting by beam and Palo Alto networks. And if you are interested in sponsoring feel free to reach out to the alias and again that deadline is July 22. Again, it's kind of the boiled down version of all the sponsorship opportunities that are open, and when you can expect the deadlines for those. And, and then yeah there's just a quick note about the 2022 diamond sponsorships lottery, and when that's going to close which will be in June. All right. Are there any questions let me just check the chat real quick. Okay, shout out on the autographs group. Oh, thanks Josh if you're going to Detroit check out the tunnel up there for ooh, I'm excited to check that out. So good to all be in person. All right, well with that, I'm going to just jump really quickly into the appendix. So just a reminder that we are hiring we have had a great number of recommendations from some of you and all across the community we're hiring in a couple different roles. And if you do have any wrecks that you think might be a fit for some of these roles so free to reach out to me but just know that we're actively hiring so we'll get to them as many as we can. And then there's just a couple notes here in the appendix that might be helpful, especially if you're new on where to find the slides for these meetings and the recordings. You can also have a event and see a peak calendar that you can add yourself to. And then we have a opt in member list. And then there's a site in here as well just some other resources that might be helpful if you're new kind of the high level version. And that's kind of it that takes us through the deck. Does anybody have any questions for me, or anyone on the team. You mentioned that you would post the context for the blog folks, or their handles. Would you mind. Yeah, thank you. Yes, I'm going to put that right in the oops sorry. Just sent that as a direct to somebody give me one second here. It's really simple blog at cncf.io. Thank you. All right, and I see Peter's question about cloud native TV. Yes, thank you for asking. We actually are hiring a new head of community programs that will manage cloud native TV. That is currently on a hiatus until we have a new person in the role however we're still running cloud native live which is our member live stream. We're going to drop a new link to you about the way to sign up for your membership live stream but the actual cloud native TV is sort of on hey that's until the new person is in. So we are signed up for a slot on that and March six I think for nine so is that not happening then. Nope, you're good yeah so just to clarify so plenty of TV was kind of our like community outside of our member program shows that we were running on live stream there was like six to eight shows. And that is on pause but our member live stream is still very much running full steam ahead so no worries you are covered there. Okay, thanks. I have a question that looks like somebody has a question I wrote into an email brown it seems you have to out branding question. Sure, we will follow up on your brand question and get back to you on that. All right, any other questions. If we're going to be able to give folks some time back so look for an email coming through from either Carla or myself about some office hours happening in the next month. And then we'll start brainstorming our next roundtable discussion and how we can kind of dive into these member programs and make these meetings a little more valuable. As always you can find us on the marketing slack channel where you can interact with everyone on this call and in real time or you can reach out to see NCF staff you have a specific question really to a program. Again, thank you all for a great meeting and look forward to seeing you all in March. Thanks everyone. Bye. Bye bye.