 And on on his local situation that doesn't you think that's anything to that? Yes, I think it could be a remember Dobri and yeah But he's also got a lot of people a lot of checks a lot of folks in there that would want us to be trading I would think so now. Did you see the Hoover letter today? Yeah You mean Sam that that I I've got it on my desk I talked to Can't back about this the other day, you know, I've seen the one Then he said this was who you're talking about the one in reply to us Yeah, we decided that's the way to do it. Yeah, I wish I could get him to go a little further I will you think you would have an objection if I wrote him another letter to try to get him to say he didn't Deposed that he won't quite say it in so much language. That's certainly the implication of his reply I wouldn't do it but a letter because he's so suspicious of letters and he's investigated all of his life But I'll tell you what I would I've already written him a letter. You don't ask him to appear I'll tell you what I would do some more. He didn't do that if I didn't mind it I don't you're not very strong on these departments, but I'd call him some morning says all right if I drive by your office I Would be all right. Could you come up here and see me for a little bit? Well, I don't make a damn he you know, I don't think he did I think it he's a He's a very peculiar fella and he's a very He's been around the goddamn thugs all of his life so many didn't trust his mother. I'm afraid and What I think you could do and I think I've made some headway I think what you could do is say to him has can drop by say would you mind coming by I won't get some I want to get some advice from he wants to be popular with the Congress and he would want to be popular with you And he would consider to compliment and you could just say to him as I understand it if we have more Officer offices in this country. Of course, you'll have to have more money and more protection. We understand that but I gather from your letter here that you're really not opposing this thing What you're pointing out is the problems that you would conceive and the expense would be required My judgment is he'd probably say that's exactly right And then you could say well if you don't mind, I'll wrap your little note You replied to it and I would have him to lunch following that we might get a Might get a real firm commitment. He if you write him first He's gonna be skittish that he's trying to get be made a record out of it But if you just take this rust letter and say all I did was just in a routine letter to say we'd be glad if you care to Testify and he wrote back and said he's written a letter, but he Referred me to Attorney General or something. I forget now what it was. It was it was a nice letter But did say a damn thing I got the impression from one of his man that wasn't he and before the Rooney committee when this happened Appropriation and what I think he said that if you open up that you have this time agreement You have these Russians scattered all over the country It's gonna have to have somebody watching and if you do it's gonna cost a hell of a lot of money and about like that And I think you've making a pitch to protect his funds rather than to keep them out now. That's my judgment, but the I'll make a run at it if you don't but I I would prefer to follow If you feel like it you ask him to drop by I don't know whether he still remembers it or not, but they were awful mad at me when I made a You know in the height of that McCarty thing he made a speech praising McCarthy out in California And I made reference to it. I thought They'd gone mighty far and that I didn't care to give them any more information as long as I thought they made it available to McCarthy Or they sent that little nipples up here to tell me oh, they didn't do it I didn't the hell you don't do it. It was right there. He had it by his elbow and said he was reading from it Well, I think of course, I think he did have it And anyway, they kind of got pissed off Well, maybe it's not the thing do I follow it anyway. I think that's Something to do and we're going to have I hope you're free. Yeah, we're going to have this signing, you know I told Goldberg talked to you about it on the space thing and I believe it's gonna be the 27 so that's next to Not far today's the the 20th, and I think that'll help pave the way a little bit One of you make more what how much you and Morris making these What do you charge you and Barclay 2500 around or 3,000 This is because Benny's ants down there and I took advantage of the three I So you ran out last night before strong tournament told you where to have the cow ate the cabbage You when you saw strong getting ready to get up to you you and Joe Clark went to disarmament Fostered ask us He's got the answers if you just listen God He says that the thing that did the trouble is that these targets that you don't know anything about your targets It's you're not getting right target You're not going to get over talking until they convinced they can't win here And you just let them know here the statement that you made a long time ago that the That they can't win here the Hawks who were in control anybody else they're stronger than the president when they convinced that I'm convinced that you can sit down and get an agreement with them on your 54 and 62 and maybe have an election The understanding and we'll just pull out and buy the results election like we did in the Dominican Republic I have so You got to get the first step That is I don't think you can ignore it yet. Kong. They're the bastards of the fight We're not ignoring them. They'll when they get ready to transact this bit They'll take to beat Kong just exactly like we'll take South Vietnam Simply somebody some of those native South Vietnamese not key the general whoever's in there is coming in that encourage them very quietly through your Somebody that can communication with the Vietcong They put guys say let's have an election We're just killing each other for nothing they they are just as much under the control of the North Vietnam bill as that little stenographer that you sent out to take your direction just the same way and they got just about as much independence as a sharecropper in this this is in the boats to them maybe they would then put it up to the north Whenever whenever you see these people don't want they don't want to anybody to know they're messing with us And they don't want to get calm to the Chinese no, but they see what's happening in China They see the days in numbered with the rushes having to force everything so they're going to talk if Things just keep on they holler too much not to want to talk All this yelling you see your friend back from water Bay with his stories coming in This this business they're going to talk in a reasonable length of time in my judgment if we don't blow it here And if they decide they they can wait until the next election why they might do it see if they blow it to election Otherwise they'll talk and when they talk we can make reasonable terms which let them bring whoever they want to they want to Bitcoin come there their voice will be heard as we said, but they're going to write the ticket and I Think it was the insurmountable thing has been removed by Manila Y'all laughed at but when we told them in Manila that we weren't gonna stay there We come home and said it publicly all over the world all eight of them agreed South Vietnam agreed they didn't want We've come out of there just you have your legs just like we did the Dominican Republic Then I think that's what's going to get it done if we do it I think whether we do it not whether they think that They can wear us out here And they if they think they can they'll do it because they want that Otherwise, they'll be willing to settle it and I think that I Think it's an easier thing is just kind of waiting to see what happens, too I think if they'll be throwing Sukarno out For too long and they'll be willing to put two or three divisions their own in there And I think they can see that make see China crumbling up This is getting closer to a solution if we just don't blow it then we don't Goldwater statements day hurts. It'll just give us hell because He's been out and he's got all the dope about how they've been restrained and restricted Storms if it had been public last night would have hurt us. He's just back and his was all on the targeting and Not using our weapons summer deck statements the same way Rejoin chiefs. How do we keep them? Your man for Mark and song the rest of suppressed. I don't know But we're doing it pretty good. We hold out just a little while longer. I think that I Think that they won't fight anymore. They get out of the way you see and They just it's it's it's awfully hard on them What they want us to do and there's some targets that we ought to take the steel mill and the damn cement thing and stuff That they're manufacturing but we've held back because they're so close and they're so basic and that's such a change We're not gonna hit their dykes or their water or their civilians or their cities or anything like that But everything you hit you kill some it's just a question. How many? But there's some things we could make it much harder, but they're having hell now they got thousands and hundreds of thousands Repairing trying to keep going and it's not easy for them and they're not gonna do that they're not gonna do this much longer and if we can and You know, they wouldn't I don't think they'd be sending their folks back and home they're going back and forth now You see with these messages so We just got to hold a step up early up and be careful and don't rock the boat don't When these folks go to making these speeches just get off the floor don't get the bait with them Just let's let's draw and ignore them as to you can't answer and I just hope that go water I don't know Somebody said I ought to have him come in report to me because he was the nominee and I said the hell with the nominee I don't want any reports like this. I want to play him down as much as I can I read you what a Navy Admiral said I don't know he isn't a key find the damn fella, but he got right into the conference table right in the middle of right in Warsaw And they just came up and said well the hell with it here this Johnson this man wouldn't be speaking around him and they interpret interpret what What he says is representing me just like you'd say when Grameco says something that that's a Soviet line Then they don't understand our system. That's the great danger. That's been a danger in all these wars. We've had people misjudges Okay, you give me what I wanted. I don't take all day But I did want to find out about these folks and keep it silent and now listen to him when I have to change out there I'm seriously thinking I talked to you about this once before but you may have forgotten it My number one problem in Vietnam as I see it is what we clean up to try to administer it pacified If large gets out of there. I'm inclined to put Westmoreland over in his place Well, it's become such a major military matter. I guess it's He's level-headed. He's quiet. He'll cooperate. He'll do what we tell him to do. He doesn't fight with us He holds them folks in line. He's got the prestige. He knows the country He can make key and then act and he has with the constituent assembly and other things and I believe will be more effective than large If large comes out of there and large is going to come out of there assembly gets out of way in my judgment and You said once before it's military anyway, and I wouldn't want a military man in other countries But for the transition just trying to get where we can feed these refugees where we take care of these people Where we can protect what we run off what we have cleaned up and I believe that if we're gonna have a Passification program bill. It's awful hard to get these aid man. They state the problem in to manage a job. They're not managers No, that's not situations Yes, it is. I still got damn bad. It has to be off Okay, do you know Westmoreland though? No, I wish you did. Why didn't you why don't you go to Vietnam? You're not too old run around here and make speeches off the Goldbergs going out there and next month You could write out there with me back to 10 days I promise Mike and go to Mexico with him. That's good. I'm far Mexico. They're there They're judging us for how we get along with their neighbors. They want me to come to Canada I wish you'd take that engage. I've been to Canada. I was down there last fall. I was for that same reason I had a hard time getting by my committee to go there But Mike told me to go down to Mexico. I've never been there. So I think you ought to go I think it's that it's better now. They tell me that it's ever been they a great big Tough prize fighter here on one side and they feel a little of me make a 16 year old there And we they live in our shattered But they tell me now the second man came in the other day Boone's friend I appointed him my ambassador to Costa Rica. He's been there 10 years chief mission He said it's about far the best relationship to us. They've ever had he said when you call up You can be in the president's office himself in 30 minutes He said this president is not going to be as popular politically as DSR does as the fellow proceed the month of God because he is He does work with Americans so he thinks that we We're we're in excellent shape with more tension We give my think Mike's had a lot to do with it too and George Akin They've been messing around down there ever a few months and I think it'd be a wonderful thing