 your neighbor and your neighborhood as a whole is peaceful and we are going to have a peaceful moment during this particular season. Remember 28 days to the general election, what are you doing so far? What kind of conversations are you having? What about incitements? What about riots? How can we stop this and ask youth to be peace ambassadors? Today let's talk about this particular conversation and of course to help me in this discussion to my far right. I am with Mr. Samwal Karuita. He is a director at the Peace Ambassadors Integration Organization, Kenya. He is also a peace activist, youth mobilizer and social innovator. Karupasana, Mr. Samwal? Thank you so much, Lam. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you so much for coming. Asana, Asana. And next to me, I am with Wanjiko Figa. She is a development communications specialist, a women's and youth rights crusader and a pan-Africanist, Karupasana Wanjiko. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. 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It's a registered non-government organization here in Kenya. And this organization basically is a peace building and youth empowerment organization that was started back in the year 2012. And the interesting thing about peace ambassador's Kenya is that it started as an initiative of young people in institutions of higher learning in collaboration with the Kenya administration police service. So in a way it works as a national community policing initiative. So young people are the ones who came up with the idea in the branch? Yeah, the branch of this organization. How did you get the police service into it all? Now that's an interesting question. It is. How did you get that? It's interesting. What happened in 2010 after the promagation of the new constitution? One of the responsibilities that went into the national police service was about community policing. So as young people we also saw that it's an opportunity also for us there to get involved actively in community policing. Because when we talk about peace mostly we have to talk about things to do with crime and all that and young people are integral into that conversation. So we feel that as young people there is an opportunity for us to do some impact, to have some impact there. So in a way some of the founders for this organization, one was an active police officer Mr. Francis Koori. And who came together we know young people from institutions of higher learning and that is how that kind of marriage started. In our ten years after we started the organization we were growing strong. I've had so many thousands and thousands of young people because specifically what we do is that we establish and coordinate peace grabs institutions of higher learning. We are in about 14 universities in this country just trying to give young people an opportunity to use their ideas, their skills and their talent in two things. To grow themself in terms of getting the skills but also to give them a space in which they can give back to the community to grow up. Not with a whatever of an attitude of entitlement but also responsibility. Interesting. I love the part because there is this silence emotion between the youth and the police. It's there but so silent. I'm really interested in finding out. Let me come to you and Jiko. What do you think is the role of the youth? How can the youth play part especially when it comes to being peace ambassadors in the country especially during this election period? Thank you Ram for that question. Being a joint peace ambassador when I was in campus it helped me. Peace ambassador what it does it enhances structures for peace building. So as a young person you learn how to importance of social cohesion and as young people first of all you be the change. If you want to see the change be part of the change. Let the change start from you. So come on up in the money. So in terms of any time of conflict your first reaction is not to fight or to speak angry words. It's to first really understand the situation and see how to solve it. Especially during this electioneering period we have the campaign Bilanoma. Especially as myself I'm campaigning on ground. My first thing and you see I actually really appeal to the youth bloc. So and you know right now young people have really felt really excluded from you know politics and you know just growth and development of the country. So if they feel like it's them we don't want to see older people it's just now it's fighting for your space. And I tell them we have to really look responsible. You have to show we want to be part of the change but in a different kind of way. It's how you act how you respond to situations. So you have to be part of the change. And there exist social structures that promote peace today in our community. Do we have those structures? Yeah we have structures and I would say in this one I think one of the strongholds that we have as a country. And this is especially the space in which we are of the civil society organizations. I think they have in a way organizations like Pisa Basada as Kenya and so many other youth led organizations out there. I think they've created that space for young people to be involved, to become responsible citizens. And you know even when we talk about creating that space also for young people to get involved in politics. We can look at it in two ways. One, this an opportunity of course for young people to be involved in elective politics. To learn for office, to become, to offer themselves for readers. But I think we also have a very big space is that young people can also get involved in democratic participation. I love the fact that this year we have so many young people who are coming up to buy for elective positions. That's one thing that from all the elections that I've seen. This is my own personal best. And I love the fact that you're right. For coming up we need to take our positions. We have to give them that space for them to know that because they have something to offer. And I like you saying giving this an analogy of whereby maybe you book a hotel and you want to order food. You can decide to go to the restaurant, you can order it from the loom service. For so many long time we've had this question whereby young people, the way we behave because I was also a young person. It's like we like ordering food from loom service. And we are saying that we are complaining that we are not being involved. So I think for us and that's why we are saying that there's nothing for us without us as young people. So instead of us ordering food from the loom service and complaining that it doesn't have salt. We need to go to this. Let's either become the cooks or number two, we need to go near to the kitchen. And we can only do that by getting to elective politics but also being involved in the political participation. Otherwise we continue complaining that this food does not have salt. I think we're even looking at political participation of young people in parties. It has been very youthful. I agree with you that this time round it has been very youthful. And even with our participation it has been peaceful. We haven't done such things but we've been very vocal in putting our... Except in some areas. Yes, yes, in some very minor incidents. But we've been very vocal on showing how we as young people can contribute meaningfully to our communities, to our society and especially now in this democratic space. I love what you said that instead of ordering food and then complaining that you know what, there's no salt in this food. Go to the kitchen. But you've got to be employed to go there. You must find a way to get to that kitchen so you can go to cook. That means putting an initiative to apply and to buy and to get it for you to be part of the whole process. And you're vying for a seat? Yes, yes, yes. I'm running for the member of Conta Assembly City in Jujya constituency award called TETA. And... We're going to Kiambu County. What's your name? What's your name? Hello, good morning TETA residents. This is Sarah Anjiko Degara. And my name is Omba Kura. I'm an MCA teacher. Yes. I'm Kuitunyombani. People talk in the language? The dialect? Yes, the dialect is Kikuyu. We're going to Kikuyu. Let me give a chance. Talk to them in Kikuyu. Oh, thank you so much. And of course we are in the Basada office there. Yes, yes, yes. We're going to Kikuyu and Potaya. Yes. Ikosawa. Let's try. Yes. I'll try to hear it. Okay. So, here I am. I'm Demote Tij, Takao Sarah Adjiko Degara, and my name is MCA, Kuitunusie. I'm a teacher at MCA. With the teacher, I teach at the same school, Dureka Midji, in Ngawua, and I teach at the same college. And also I'm working in Udue Beltedleri. I'm at the same school as you, and then I'm an experienced teacher. wa wero wero mce na monoma keria ne tohia da peace hii da re re atu ta pigana mii na vijana wei tu atu ta pigana tu na takaku pijenga kuwe tu data tu bom tu pati e opportunity asha no gai what does yes mean? negwo kwa pijenga eni wa na ja sani pijenga kwa na hpisa basila na na hpisa wa wajiko na kwa ja, na kwa kwa wajiko kwa nika oni na hpisa basila na na hpisa basila na hpisa basila ngezawe mati laik Formastatria iwaLAmwa maaeningve joints'ou. Toku Apawazim tania wa T Aboutanya je. Iwa So, I think we need to be given young people opportunity to also, because we say sometimes that where innovation is synonymous with youth, also it's important for us also to have that capacity and experience and we can young people get the experience. They can get it if they become involved citizens. Now, let me still pick it up from there. But now let me expand you in a bit. How can you now build capacity for peace interactions at the community level also? So that we, yes, we talk about the individuals, but now at the community level where we are talking about a particular area in the country, even as you connect it with your point. Okay, so I think I will give an example of something like we are doing within organizations. So one, two things. One, we need to also start giving spaces because one of the things that young people lack is the space to have a conversation and to drive the narrative. So I feel that we need to get more spaces like this so young people can interrogate issues, ask questions, hold power without fear or intimidation. Another one also we need to start involving them in some of those activities. I will give you an example. One of the things that we've done, all the major activities that we've done this year in the leading elections, we organized a peace work for a whole man. That was the whole of last month. We had young people, almost 1,000 young people, walking all the way from Kakamega to Nairobi for 21 days, transversing all those counties and holding public forums in all the counties that they went, walking by foot. No vehicles. Samuel, no vehicles. No vehicles. Six hundred kilometers. Six hundred kilometers. And you know what happens. Ah, you deserve a starting conversion. What happens when you get involved in that one also, you also change as a person because you get a different dynamic. You're able to see the challenges are there, you get a kind of exposure and the confidence you're talking about also, you'll be the confidence to do that one. So we need more of such programs out there. I'm good thing with Pesambasadasu Kenya as we integrate with the police fraternity and it has really good connections because it goes all down to grass roots. So this means that sometimes you're able to be involved in alternative dispute resolutions that go on through on the ground. So if there's any conflict that's going on, you're able to even just engage a local chief and say I'd like to sit in and just watch how conflict resolution is done and you really get first hand experience from it and it's very easy because you're able just to get a letter from Pesambasadasu Kenya and they're able just to give you a nice reference and because even your chief knows you, it's just a formality just to be able to engage you in that process. Alright. So as a community we need to just come together, have talks, interact, interrogate, question without getting violent and feeling personal. How can we reduce? Because I'm looking at what happened at Jakaranda. That's just one example. There's so many other counties or wards that you've seen riots and chaos. Some have not been highlighted by media. And truth be said, we need to talk about this. How can we reduce such kinds of incidences? What do we need to do? For me, as myself, what I've been talking to young people is telling them that we cannot continue being used as tools for violence because if you look at such situations you find most times it's young people who are on the battleground. Awaishimiawako, away from it, you find it's structures from government that mediate peace and young people on the ground. I tell them if you die today on the ground who will you lose? It's your mum, it's your dad and you live your life through untimely death. We have to be much more than we give towards. And the reason why we are not even you find that people sometimes do not give us leadership opportunities because of how we act. Wana jwa tuni kazi eni nukirushama wa ni eni nikirushama wa sisi tukifanya kazi. So we have, it's about changing mentality. We know behavioral change takes time but here we are doing the actual job. But at the end of the day, behavioral change can be achieved. It can be achieved. It can be achieved. Go it takes time and lots of psychological manipulation but it is achievable. It is achievable. Just to add on that one, I think what she's talking about is in the short term, some of those things that we need to do later on now. But also I also think that also strategically we also need to think because I believe that there is a very huge nexus connection between peace and livelihoods. Because again we need to ask ourselves why you say that these young people are being manipulated. What makes them very vulnerable. So at the end of the day you find that there's a very huge gap when you talk about youth unemployment and livelihoods. Such that when I'm idle as a young person and maybe I'll even have the excuse to apply myself but I don't get these opportunities. I'm trying to have my own hustle but there's so much bureaucracy the bottlenecks cannot allow me to drive as a young person. So what you find, and this is why I always say that one of the hardest things for a young person to do in Africa and in Kenya is to become an adult. Because there is so much that you struggle a lot. Even though it comes naturally. Employment, even to get into leadership position. I think it's a high time that we allow young people to mature fast by giving them those opportunities. So that's why at the end of the day we have to also look at our economics and some are asking yes we are re-looking the economy you are saying you give them the opportunities where are they? They are asking where are these opportunities where are these jobs? So that's a question. I will give you an example where the jobs are. If you had a neighboring environment young people are very innovative. If you take an example you do are just as simple as among your own threads. You find that out of your ten threads five are trying to say you something. They have a side hustle. They have ideas. You don't even need a shop to run a shop. On IG people are running businesses and all that. So that tells you that young people they have the ideas. They already have this idea. So whatever they are lacking is just that opportunity. And you say that success happens when opportunity meets with what preparedness. So they are prepared they are only lacking that kind of opportunity. So we need to give them that kind of opportunity. I think access to small weaponry is another hindrance to peaceful existence right now among young people. And again like Sami is saying we need to look at give it a long term resolution because you know you never see we are always keen to talk about nuclear weapon, atomic bomb but we don't talk about small weaponry. We won't talk about the wars that are happening outside the country. And we are forgetting the small wars that war is war. There is no big war. Let me rub that. We are forgetting that we also need to fight our own battles here. I love that. And the solution is can we find the solution within ourselves? I think we can find the solution in two ways. One, first of all I want to believe that peace is also very personal. And one of the biggest challenges that young people are facing right now is to do with mental health and all that. So I think there is a conversation that we need to start having about young people and mental health and that's one of the ideas that we work on a program on health whereby we are giving young people the skills the social emotional skills to be able to handle themself to have that kind of emotional maturity but also to also see how they can be able to handle their personal conflict internal conflict individually. So that I ask myself before I go there and have peace and become a peace advocate am I peaceful myself? Within me. And I need capacity for me to have that kind of awareness. So I think that one is an opportunity for doing that one also. But also I can also say that peace is a very blood kind of thing. And I will give an example where I also see that there are a lot of opportunities when you talk about the SDGs that young people and if you look at all the SDGs at the end of the day they are trying to promote that peace. And for those who don't know what SDGs are we are talking about sustainable development goals. Like again you are saying nothing for us without us. So young people we have a great opportunity there to offer leadership in trying to drive that agenda for what's achieving the sustainable development goals in education in decent jobs in climate change. Those are places that we can apply ourselves and if you are able to do that one at the end of the day we are contributing to that peace. Now still on you Mr. Samuel and then I'll come to you but in a different perspective what is the role of government and leaders when it comes to promoting peace. How can they also play a role because at the end of the day they are the ones who youth look up to. So I think when it comes to the government two things that I can say that comes into my mind. One is that first and foremost the government itself they have to they have the responsibility to ensure that there is low and order within the country which I think that the government tries to do that when the security agencies and all that. So I think that space they also have done well. But on the other side also I think also in the long term the government also needs to create opportunity at the end of the day for us to be able to have to be at peace. In this country I think one of the greatest things that we've done is people don't fight because they hate each other. They fight because they are fighting over resources and all that. So if you had more opportunities you have an opportunity also there's no need for us today. If I would get a penny for every time I've had that resource. You don't see me here. We just need to create that opportunity for resources for the people but also they also have to be part and parcel of also this dialogue that we have because at the end of the day the people who cause the chaos and mayhem they are the politicians but also as young people we need to also be wise we can all continue being used as voting machines that they need us only during the election that one they forget us. That is the perspective of our political leaders when they need somebody and of course not all, when some they come to you but when they get their votes they disappear. Just like some of our relationships let me come to you and of course you can also chip in on that particular issue but the role of the church and not just the church as a whole religious entities and organizations whether Christian or not. Yeah and also just to chip in on what Sami has said there exist structures from the government that promote peace but you find that most of the individuals involved in this process are mostly older generation but if we look at Kenya today 74% of Kenyans are young people they have to see a face that they can relate with they have to hear somebody speaking their language so that they can relate with because it's somebody from their generation that can inspire them with their charisma and move them to honestly understanding why peace is very important and why doing things different will take them further so they exist that institution but can it be more youthful so that it can be I think if it's more youthful we can deliver higher results but at the end of the day even our leaders need to also know that they also play a critical role once they get into that elective position they need to be peace ambassadors yes because whatever you say whatever you post on social media actually because today the biggest communication vehicle is social media understand that somewhere that trigger yes always uphold peace wherever you are on social connection religious entities play a big role you remember during the 1890s in the church I think across the world the church would say who's the next leader today it's not the church saying who's going to be the next leader with time power has really deteriorated because there are often ways of infiltrating within the church and controlling what the church is going to say I think them owning their voice and taking back their power is very important and not being manipulated by politicians and their money it's so important to really stand your voice stand your ground I see you can see the religious institutions they have bodies that are trained to really push the manifesto of peace but sadly you see this person and you know who he is aligned to so you feel like this is a message that is being pushed by a different person from behind so I wish if they can remain a standalone body so that whatever they are going to push for it's going to even hold hold power and strength and may they continue preaching peace because Kenya is a very fearful nation a lot of people go to church and a lot of people listen and obey and trust their leaders and you can be sure that whatever they say or whatever messages they pass through it's going to be upheld I can add on that when I say there's something that we call the golden rule that says in almost all the religions there's one thing that they agree one golden rule is that you know you love yourself that one is cursed across all that and I think also one of the major rules that the church and religious institution not just the church even the mosque and the temple spray is about changing the narrative in terms of speaking to the people and speaking to the when religion speaks it speaks to the heart so if you want to change the minds of the people to become more peaceful so continuously we need to be speaking about the religious institution needs to be speaking about the need for people to be peaceful and to love other people as they love themselves that one I think is a space that they need to do but also in that aspect of also character education because I feel that religious institutions they have a power and they have a voice that they can neutralize it so they don't need to share away again because they need to speak to some of those issues because they also have a follow they have a follow oh a large follow very large follow thousands even millions because religious entities play a role they need to speak out when it comes to shining some of these things they need to shine them I love what you are saying now but 10 years down the line let's come back to you 10 years down the line what are some of those milestones and those memorable moments you had during this journey of being a peace ambassador there are so many of them but I just I think as an organization one of the things that we pride ourselves is being able to create structures for peace because in one of the biggest challenges structures for peace and for us to have sustainable peace we need to have structures so in terms of structures what we've done we've been able to set up and coordinate peace clubs now in over about 8 universities and colleges in this country you focus on universities yes and colleges because we feel that that's a space that is going to make the future leaders we feel that we need to give those people a platform again I said they can bring the ideas to become part and parcel of solution makers providing solutions in the society so I like that one that we've been able to create those peace structures out there I also feel that in the way of nurturing leaders in a way that if you fight today if you fight a young person who has gone through our organization they are different people in the way they think and also the way do they able to offer themselves out there and also we have so many unique programs like we have a mentorship program that we've done called the Mentor and Mentit Project I wouldn't want to highlight that one so what we do in this program is that we are the five schools especially in marginalized communities and we take these young people from colleges to go there and become mentors to their younger brothers and sisters memorable moments since joining Pambio what campus yes in 2013 and peace ambassadors can you give me an opportunity in leadership because I was doing public relations for the organization for one year I served public relations the other one I served as treasurer even offers you the platform of going through elections because this process is through it's elective so you learn how to also even just do your own campaign and also one of my memorable moments again was during the Naivasha Walk Naivasha Tunakuru and we were preaching peace all along this is another one no this is another one and we are also looking at our environment because peace ambassadors peace ambassadors Kenya has an environmental sustainability program and we were campaigning avoiding littering on the highways so we were working as preaching peace and also you know tunasafisha highways it was well no people throw things from the window yes who people love littering I mean I really hate that behavior you finish your soda and you're throwing it out the window from the vehicle you're traveling when I use public service if I see you littering I mean I don't know No I don't know I don't know but I don't know I don't know I don't know yes I know I don't know I don't know but being a peace ambassador it doesn't come without challenges just briefly what are some of those challenges you faced during this journey ok in the initial time 1 is, of course, people don't understand, sometimes you go and talk to people because people appreciate peace when there's no peace. Okay, when it's peaceful and you go and talk to people, peace is what they will tell you, what are you telling them? So those comments, when we are working and you are telling people, love your neighbor they will tell you, I love my neighbor, I'm not hurting them. So sometimes you face that challenge, people don't really understand peace and what it means. So, the public, the attitude that people have in general, and then they are done of course, you know, as a youth-led and youth-focussed organization, also resources, you also need resources, you know, into this. I also think that government should also be setting resources to support organizations that are working on the peace, you know, space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with him honestly, you know, when you're doing the campaigns and you're talking about peace, you know, this is a job as well, preaching peace. Yeah. You know, people think it's not a... I think you are idle. Yes. And it's so important to preach peace. Like, if there's no peace, look at two, seven, two, eight, post-election violence, it really displaced people. I've met people who have gone through rape, people who have gone through trauma. We don't need to go back there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two or seven, that was not good. Yeah, and I just continue praying and asking Kenyans, please, let's not go back to where we were in two, seven, two, eight. I think we have had enough disaster, COVID was enough for us. Yeah, COVID was enough. My goodness. We don't need another traumatic event for us. I love it. And as I said, you never know the value of what you've got until you lose it. Yes, you never know the value of what until the word runs dry. We have a peace work coming in. Tell me about that. There's another one and I don't know if I can join in this one. We like to say that we like baptizing people with fire. So, one of the things that you're going to, when you become a peace ambassador, you need to feel the pain for that, you know, for you to become a peace ambassador. So, we will make you work, but not just working, you know, aimlessly, we will make you work so that we can give you an opportunity to network with other young people when you are doing this work. Imagine a thousand or five hundred young people working, you know, and they have this ago. So, one, you get an opportunity to network because networks are very valuable. Number two, you also get an opportunity to get exposure. Kenya is a beautiful country also, to appreciate it, but also an opportunity to interact with government agencies when you work maybe with a county commissioner, a police officer. So, you also understand that especially for police officers, you understand that also police officers are also humans because they are fathers, they are brothers. So, you are working with them? Ya, you are working with them. So, it radius your mentality also. So, when is it coming up? The peace work? The peace work, we normally do one peace work annually. So, we've already done that one for this year, but there are so many other programs that we have within the organization. For this year? For this year, one of the other programs that we have, a very unique program, this thing we call the youth exchange program. So, once every year we take young people from Kenya to one of the East African countries, we've been right now in almost all East African countries, and they go there for one week to go and have a kind of exchange with other young people from a different country because also we also want to, young people who are also global citizens, they need to see that. Build Kenya, opportunities are not just here in Kenya, they are also in Uganda, in Tanzania. They can also go to Uganda and decide also to marry there. So, you need to keep that kind of exposure. So, that program is coming, the youth exchange program. This year in September we are going to Delhi Saddam, in Arusha to interact with Tanzanias and create that. And they should come with proper Swahili. I want us to believe this conversation to a close. And of course, let me give you time to have a final word and talk to that Kenya youth watching today. Wanjiko, what would be your final word? But not to forget that she is also vying for a member of counter assembly position. Sindio, let me not forget to mention that. Thank you very much. But of course, final word as you talk to your people, that is your camera. Kenyans, this is my message to you. I hope to be your representative come August. And my message is of peace, whatever you are, whatever you do. Even as you campaign for me, please remember that we want Kenya to remain peaceful. We want to grow and move forward. I ask you please also to vote for me. This coming election is time for development and for change. And we have to choose somebody different this time round. I am capable and I am experienced. And I am ready to do this job. Thank you so much. Thank you. Let me come to you. Final word, sir. My final word, one is to first of all, celebrate and appreciate all the peace ambassadors out there, within organization, but also out there. We recognize the good work that you continue doing for this nation. So we encourage you to continue doing that. Whatever you are, feel appreciated. If you would want to join us, you can find us on social media, Pisa Basida Kenya, you find us there. Come, we will give you an opportunity. And then final, let me also speak to young people who are out there and encourage them to offer themselves to become leaders to offer leadership in this country. And also to remind them that as a young person, when you get an opportunity to become a leader, remember that you have to be a role model. It doesn't mean that for you to become, you know, that all young people are, you know, they are good leaders. One of the, we have to, I don't want to give two models. One of the, you know, personnel I say is an anti-model, you know, for not being a good leader. Was a young person, the most, the youngest person to ever become a president was a president of Sierra Leone. His name was Valentine's Teresa. And he became a model of not how to lead a country. And then we have someone like Thomas Ankara, who was a very good president. Being a youth does not mean that you're becoming a good leader, but it's a deliberate commitment. Offer yourself out there, be the path, create the path and offer yourself for leadership just like Kwajiko is doing there. Let's work the talk. Thank you so much. Peace begins with me. Peace begins. And I love the fact that you're saying, just because your youth doesn't mean you become a good leader. It's just an opportunity that you are a youth that you can maximize on. Wow, thank you so much. I appreciate your presence. Thank you so much for coming. And keep doing what you're doing. Thank you so much. Keep doing what you're doing. You have my 100% support. The next time you're going to walk, let me know. I will look for the right where. Welcome. Welcome. So we have a sports shoes here. Yes, sir. This shoes, nitrak. By the time you come back, they will have worn off. Ah. Is it not too much? Is it not too much? Yes. Thank you so much for coming. I appreciate it. Keep doing what you're doing. And of course, let's all remember, ladies and gentlemen, that peace starts with all of us, each and every one of you. In this coming election, we also play a role. If you want it to come out well, it is upon us. Thanks so much. This is all about matters concerning peace advocacy today. And of course, I was with Pambiyo Peace Ambassadors Kenya during me today on youth and politics. But that was just to the end of this morning conversation. A big thanks to Peace Ambassadors for coming. And of course a big thanks to you. Thank you so much for being part of this conversation. My name is Ram Aguko. Promote peace. May God bless you. May God bless the ark of your hands. We are taking your short break. We'll be back in a bit. This is why in the morning.