 Good evening everybody. We're here to conduct Monday night's May 7th select board meeting. I'll call it meeting to order. First thing on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Is there any additions to the agenda or changes? Anybody? The only thing I would add is I'll provide you with an update on the discussion with the state police and if we can put that in conjunction with the speed concerns. With that being said if somebody make a motion to approve the agenda. Motion has been made. Is there a second? A second. Okay. Any further discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. Okay. Second thing on the agenda is the consent agenda items minutes of April 17th meeting and liquor licenses for the Grange Hall Cultural Center and the best Western. I'll make the motion that we approve the consent agenda items as listed. I'll second. Okay. Motion has been made and seconded. Any further discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Public. Is there anybody here from the public that wishes to speak at this time? Hands up. Alrighty. I'm moving on then. Interviews for candidates. Martha Stascus for Planning Commission. I'm the hot seat first Martha. I see you hiding back there. Right up here. So didn't you just get off the DRB? What made you decide to jump back in the fire again? Issues side, if you will. Turn the favor, huh? Alright. Well, I don't know if any of the rest of the board members are familiar with Martha. She's how long we're on the DRB. It's wake some time, right? Back when it was the town's ZBA, so probably three or four years on that and then when did that change happen? Oh my god. We're not trying to date you here at all but sounds like you've put you've invested some time here in volunteering for the town's government and I think it's important to participate if you're going to be a community member. Okay, so do we need a nomination or can we just prove her for the position? Well, I mean a motion should be made and seconded to appoint Martha to the Planning Commission and then at that point you can have a discussion with her if you want or you can just call her to the hall and prove her. I would make a motion to appoint Martha Stascus for Planning Commission. I'll second that. Motion's been made and seconded. Wait a minute, I didn't know how long. April 30th, 21. Would you like to withdraw? Okay. Motion's been made and seconded to appoint Martha Stascus for Planning Commission for the term of April 30th, 2021. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Congratulations. Thank you. Okay, second on the list of interviews is a letter from Andrew Trennisti for Development Review Board. Is Andrew here? Which is why he submitted a letter. Okay, and so I'm assuming there's a, excuse me, a date for that term as well? 30th, 21. So if somebody would like to make a motion to approve Andrew Trennisti? I don't know anything about this person. I'm sorry, I guess I didn't read the letter. I apologize. So we can move forward with the motion and have discussion if it's seconded, yes. So somebody would like to make that motion. I will move that we appoint Andrew Trennisti for the Development Review Board with a term ending of April 2021. Second. I would second that. Motion's been made and seconded. Is there any further discussion? As far as discussion, right from my perspective, the letter certainly outlined a pretty impressive background and the fact that he's currently the Planning Director and Zoning Administrator for the town of Underhill. Certainly gives him technical background for working with the rest of our Development Review Board. So I would be supportive of his nomination. He was here for the DIV meeting last week for the last 20 minutes, so it was almost a night citizen observer. I would agree that he looks like he has a very good, broad background specific as well. So I'd be supportive. Great. Any other comments? Seeing none, a motion been made and seconded. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay, it looks like we've got a plate full of committee appointments tonight. Reappointments, Planning Commission, Ken Bellevue, the term up to 2021, but they're all April 30th. Okay. Do we need to go down through each one separately, Bill, or can we lump them? I think you can make a motion to point everyone on the list. Okay. Well, I'll go down through the list then. Planning Commission for Ken Bellevue for April 30th, 2021, Development Review Board, Tom Kinley for April 30th, 2021, and Dave Rogers. Is that still April 30th? Yeah, they're all April 30th. Well, his is 2020, so I didn't know if maybe the date was different. Okay. So they're all April 30th. So Development Review Board, Tom Kinley, Dave Rogers, Recreation Committee, Bill Minter, Barbara Blovelt, Paul Lawson, all April 30th, 2021. Conservation Commission, Nick Waringa, Ernie Hurley, both April 30th, 2022, Tree Committee, Steve Lawsby's new appointment, April 30th, 2019. I'm sorry, that's Tree Gordon. Oh. Okay. So, Gordon, not Tree Committee. Oh, he's Tree Committee also. Okay. He's on both, but he's a new Tree Warden. A new limmer. Representative to Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission, again, Steve Lawsby, April 30th, 2019. Representative to Mad River Resource Management Alliance, Alec Tuscany for 2019, his term. Alternate Rep for Mad River Resource Management Alliance, Bill Woodruff. Representative to Central Vermont Police Advisory Board, Mr. Mark Mitter himself, 2020. An Animal Control Officer in Lakes of the Punishment there, Zeb Town, April 30th, 2019. So all those. With policy advisory board, it's the State Police Community Advisory Board. Central Vermont Policy Advisory Board. That's supposed to be police. That's what I said, wasn't it, originally? Okay. So, with all those committee appointments, there'd be a motion to appoint those people for those terms? I'll make a motion to appoint all of the previously mentioned positions for their terms. Okay. Is there a second? I'll second. The motion's been made and seconded to have approved all the four mentioned names for specific positions throughout the town's municipality for terms up to April 30th and dates coincide. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. And I abstain. Okay, 720 or 10 minutes ahead to schedule. We're here to consider an appointment to the Library Commission, Dan DeSanto to introduce Susan Mazza. Oh, Dan. So just a few notes on the Library Commission and the Library in general. This has been a time of transition both on the commission and in the library. By this March, we will have entirely flipped our board in the course of two or three years. Losing long-time commissioners like Harriet Grenier, Margaret Luce and coming up this March, Alice Durkin. Those three women probably have around a half century of experience on the commission between them. And that's a lot of institutional knowledge and experience that we're losing. But soon we'll also be losing our library director. Mary has given her notice that she'll be retiring this summer. That's another 17 years of experience walking out the door. So it's a time of transition, but as the select board no doubt knows, times of transition can also be times of opportunity. We've got new folks on the board representing different sections of the community, different voices and opinions about the direction of the library. And that's all good. We're positive about our community's library and we hope to broaden the reach in the future and serve even more community members in different ways. And this brings me to Susan. So we're happy to put forth Susan Mazza for Library Commissioner. Susan is a library user and a supporter. She sees the value in library collections and programming. And she knows from experience that a good library can be an attraction for new families looking to move into a town. Her background is in banking and lending, having worked for the Chittman Bank for many years. And also now for the U.S. Small Business Association. And that's her experience there is a huge plus to our board. As of March, as I mentioned, we'll be losing our longtime treasurer, Alice Durkin. So we speak for the rest of the commissioners and enthusiastically putting forth Susan Mazza as our nomination for our next commissioner. Time for new blood, huh? How long is this term for? This term, I believe it's till April 30th as well? No, she will be appointed until next town meeting. Next town meeting, okay. And then you'll have to take out a petition in January to get on the ballot in March. And I destroyed Roy's term? Yeah. So I think it's a remaining one year term. So just for everyone's information, the law says that if there's a vacancy in an elected board, in a position on an elected board, the select board has the authority to appoint the person. The appointment is only made until the next town meeting where the appointee and anyone else can run for the unexpired term. So if Roy was supposed to have a term that ended in the meeting day of 2020, the appointment that you make today will be good through next town meeting. And then if she desires so, Susan will have to take out a petition to run and anyone else can run at that same time. But you can't appoint somebody for the full term. It's just a little next election. And who's the gentleman getting done? Roy Lloyd is retired, left the board quite a while ago. In fact, I think there was a vacancy at town meeting when nobody ran for it. Correct, yeah. And someone ran for, we had a five year seat up, someone ran for that five year seat. So this is the one that's open. So Dan, just out of curiosity, is Roy still staying in Waterbury, do you know? No, he's moved, yeah. Okay, Susan, would you like to add anything? I've been in the Waterbury area for many years. And my background is in banking and finance and so forth. I actually was on the chamber board as a treasurer for a few years when I was working in the Matter River Valley. But I've also seen a lot of what some libraries can do with programming for both youth and adults. And I'm really excited about what libraries can be to a community, especially given the facility you've got here. You have so much opportunity. It's really exciting. And I'm very involved in the small business community in terms of interacting in economic development and areas like that. So I get really excited when I see about what can be done. That's, I've often, actually often mentioned to Alice, Alice and I had worked with together at the Chittin and many years ago. I've interacted with her and I've been friends with her for many years. I had mentioned to her my interest in the library many moons ago, actually. And so when she came to me, she goes, are you actually interested? It's like, yes, I always was. So it's, it's authentic for me. That's my two cents. Well, just so you know, I'll throw this out there. My life has never allowed me. Why shouldn't they never allowed me? But my path has never taken me in, in the direction of anything to do with the library. And, but I can honestly tell you, you know, recalling the old library that was here and the condition it was in and the desire to upgrade, you know, for people like me that never, never experienced anything to do with libraries. Couldn't ever see the reasoning behind it. But I can honestly say that since the new library has come about to some degree, I've seen the activity that's taken place there and been quite impressed. So it's amazing to think that the amount of people that do spend, you know, time at the library as opposed to, I mean, they give you doing a lot worse, I guess. So I'm glad to see you coming on board and I hope you enjoy the term that you're here and maybe you'll be successful with the next one if you so choose to. So is there any other comments from any of the rest of the board? I'll make the motion that we appoint Susan Mazza to the vacant library commission position pending the election at town meeting. I'll second that. No further discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, ma'am. Thank you. Okay. Now we're on to a different subject. About some, maybe too many fast cars there on Gupto Road. Kyra. Kyra. Kyra. Yeah. Okay. Mono. Chris, will you get one, two, three, four? Four. Yes. So I brought a few people with me. Is this yours? This is not my son. Okay. This is you. I'm Alex. Alex. So your full name, Alex? Alexander. McCabe. McCabe. And he lives on Gupto Road as well. All right. So he just wanted to add his own. Do you want to start? Yeah. Yeah. So, and how formal do you want to be? I'm used to testifying up at the State House. So how formal do you want to be? Because I can get really formal. I'm just like, hi, it's so nice to meet you all. So we'll go with informal. And then if you want more formal, just let me know. So my name is Kyra Crier and I live in on Gupto Road on Marietta Gaya's old house with Heath Dolly and my two children, Macy Whalen and Jonah Whalen. So I feel like Alexander McCabe again. And you have a sister. And I have a sister named Hazel. I was her mom. Three year olds. And my mom's name is Jen, also Jennifer McCabe. And I love them both very much. I'm Andrea Annas. I live on Gupto Road in our house. On them we have two other supporters who are in the back. So I'm Kelly Massakoff. This is my partner, Mike Bailey. And until last year, we lived on Gupto Road for 14 years. Right across from here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're the gentleman with the Whitcomb truck, right? Yeah. So Alex, is that where you live now? No. A couple houses up closer to the center. OK. Yeah. All right. OK, go ahead. Speeding has been a big problem on our road, especially when me and my friends are biking home in a triangle where I live. We'll see cars going by maybe 50, 60 miles an hour on a 25 mile an hour speed limit. And it's honestly scary because they could swerve and hit any one of us at any second. And we try to be as careful as we can, but we can only be so careful. Also, down on the hill, I feel like people take advantage of the hill and don't use their brakes when they should be using their brakes and they go way too fast. Last year when I was biking home during school vacation, actually a street race happened as I was biking home and I nearly got hit. And that was probably the scariest moment of my life for me. So that's sort of why we're here and why I reached out to you all is over school break, the April break. It's been an ongoing issue. I think that's why we had called the state police last spring and had the speed trap set up and they patrolled for a little bit and it was great. The speed trap thing is sometimes that makes people go faster. Like at night you could hear them really try to make that thing go. Other things that it helps them slow down. We've tried as community members to really, for a long time, Mike would just stand out there and scream, slow down. And Andrew has done that and he has done that. But over school break it just got to a point where it got really scary and for not just this incident that he just spoke about but there was some playing that was happening and my son disappeared for a little bit into the woods but we actually were checking the ditches first and that's when it became really apparent to me that that's how scared I am of the traffic that my first response was looking for his sweatshirt in the ditches because we couldn't find where he was. So we have a couple of proposals I know and I'm willing to hear the push back on those proposals because I know they're money. But the concern for it, we have eight children who live on that stretch and from what I understand it's always been filled with family members in the stretch that we're in. But these kids are running, you know, they're crossing the street. It's the best neighborhood. It's so loving and welcoming and they're all playing, bouncing from one house. It's the perfect Vermont life. And then we got scared. You know, we got scared from these scary incidences where we think we're yelling at people or people aren't mindful. There's distracted driving now. This is different than it was 10 years ago, 15 years ago. Distracted driving is happening and they're not paying attention and speeding. And we're just really concerned at this point as a community of where is the safety of four-hour children. Do you want to add to that? Well, yeah, I mean, increased cars, increased development, increased, I mean, it's all increasing. We all know that. So, you know, there's more cars going by. And, you know, it's 25 there and I understand we're all guilty of not going 24 there. But it gets to the top of the hill next to the town shed where, you know, people are going 50. I had a girlfriend at one point and go and say, all right, go drive 25. I want to see what that looks like. Go drive 30. I want to see what that looks like and I have to go back and forth until she hit 50 or 60. And it's scary. Like, I am that crazy lady. That'll be screaming at somebody to slow down. You know, we'll be at the bus stop. And so here it is morning commute and there's all these kids out there waiting for buses and the cars are flying by us. Like, I get they're busy. I am also concerned that, you know, if it's possible that the light at the end of Guftel is just going to add more traffic because it's going to be easier for people to get in and out of that now. So it's just going to add more cars and they're all going fast. I mean, everyone wants to get home. Everyone wants this to work on time. I get it. But I want to let my 10 and 7-year-olds go to Hope D.A.V. without putting their life in their hands, you know. I mean, if we go to the backwoods and go that way as well, but, you know, we have this little Guftel gang of kids that like to hang out and we're trying to let them all have some independence and, you know, we don't want to worry that they're on their cell phones. You know, it's just worse than it ever was. So, you know, we would like to put, or propose maybe a couple speed bumps or humps, you know, just at the end of Guftel where it's supposed to be 25, where everyone needs to slow down and just realize that all these houses are close to the road. There's kids everywhere playing. It's a little village, you know, and just a reminder that everyone needs to slow down. I think everyone's guilty of it. I am too. But now that I have kids that are ready to go off and bike on their own and play at their kids' houses and not have to call every second, you know, I'd like to know if they're safe. That can be. So, I have a couple reasonable requests and then I have like the higher end in terms of finance requests. So, the reasonable request that could happen tomorrow is children at play signs slow down. Even in Burlington, in one community, they have one of those flashing signs that says, you know, when you're speeding, it starts flashing really quickly and says, you know, the mileage. And that's one that also I feel like is a little bit affordable than the other ones I'm going to ask for. We're going to ask for. But there's no children at play entering the village. There's no, like, a park. Like, the park is right there. There's no sign suggesting that kids are even... There's people who run on that road. I mean, bike. The frisbee golf. People are walking the road. I mean, there's just so much activity there which is amazing that even just posting that you're coming into, you know, a community where there's people walking. And there's no sign. There's no sign. There's no signs of the road. You know, it's either a ditch or a road. Yeah. So, that would be my first suggestion that could be done tomorrow. Right? Yeah. The other is speed bumps, which I had spoken some briefly through email communication about what that would look like during that stretch. And so the guys behind us said, well, that, you know, that hurts the snow plows or there's some sort of, like, reason why that can't be. So my initial pushback on Randy with that was like, well, a kid dead is really worse than a snow plow being damaged. And I think that if we had done it on Randall, that we could do it here. But I understand that pushback. And Butler. So, right, they've done it on those two roads. Why not this stretch? Because there's a park. Everybody is riding that way. And now especially because of the mountain bike trails. Then if you, my next suggestion, which is even larger money, is installing stop signs. So if you put a stop sign where that maple Howard is, if you can put a stop sign so that people have to stop, and actually decide whether they're going to go on maple or go to Howard, that might slow down too. Because you could have a sign saying stop sign approaching, and then people naturally slow down. But from the town garage through to maple, people were driving 65 miles an hour, 70 miles an hour on, with not even thinking about it. So we're really, I feel like at this point, I've gotten to like, please help us before something tragic happens. I don't want that to be part of our community. And so I'm willing to hear if anybody has any thoughts. Is your concern, oh, go ahead. Well, I just want to add to what Kira said. We've lived there for 14 years. That microphone might not be on. There's a button right on the top. It's for the camera. Is that better? Hopefully. So we lived there for 14 years, right on the edge of Woodard Drive and Guptill Road. And we did not raise children there, but we walked our dog religiously twice a day. I would wear my reflecturized vest, you know, even sometimes a daylight and a headlamp. And I felt very unsafe. And we were walking on that road a lot. And over those 14 years, we definitely saw more and more pedestrians using it, which is wonderful. I raised the concern when the development was approved to go across the street there. There's going to be even more people walking. We need sidewalks on Guptill Road. It's just dangerous. I mean, our old house sits very close to the road and people understandably would walk right on the front lawn very close to the house because of the traffic going very fast. And I do think it was one of the reasons, frankly, we did move from Guptill Road. It was just, it felt unsafe for us for walking our dog for visitors with small children. Just regular people walking. And so I do strongly urge you to do something there. The traffic actually on Columbus Day weekend two years ago because Route 100 was so backed up, all of the traffic apps like Google Maps and the iPhone app was giving people the Guptill Road as the way to go through town. So we were even getting a lot of out-of-state cars at times. And I just think the amount of traffic, certainly foot traffic has substantially increased over the last, from what I know, 14, 15 years. So I just reiterate what they said and urge something to be done there. Hey, Ian. You're a dead horse here. My name is Bill Mentor and I live on Road. The wife asked me to stop in and mention that since construction has begun, we've seen a lot more traffic and high-speed traffic. And I'm sorry I wasn't here earlier on the discussion of other traffic control devices, but definitely notice a significant difference than in heightened concerns. I had a question. I was going to say it's important to say. Well, it seemed like the focus from what you were speaking about was your familiarity also with the area near where you live. Maybe from the town garage up to the center green. To hope, maybe. Is that what you're concerned is mostly not all of Guptville Road or more? Do you think it's worse in that area? I mean, I think all of Guptville Road, what is different in our section is most of our houses are on the road. Which is different, you know, a little bit down farther. They're set off the road a little bit, so maybe it's not as much of a concern. But I don't know how they feel. feel. I mean I know that I've talked with the retirees during farm season and they think it's a problem too but you know I don't know how it affects them because they're in a little bit so I'm just speaking from what I've noticed in our type community there. And like she said from the grate from the townshed at this point to just where it turns up to Maple there's eight children just there you know and I know that there's children that live up Maple that love to bike down and hang out with our kids and you know their parents are just thinking well I'd love to let them go but I'm afraid of all the cars. It's also the speed limit there. Yeah right so you hit 25 right there at the townshed. 30 down at Greniers no one you know again people don't usually slow down. I mean we drive it all day after. Yeah and then from Greniers four like towards the stop sign towards 100 is 40 so it's 40 then 35 and then at the top of the hill turns 25. What I just passed out to the board and this is timely it's just coincidental but about I want to say three years ago in the response to some other concerns about Guptell Road the select board asked the state agency of transportation to look at Guptell Road there's a program called kind of an interesting way that they put it high-risk rule high-risk rural road program and so as 2015 when we spoke to the state about this and just last week on Friday these design plans that I just passed out came in we also have one for Stowe Street as well and there's a contract asking the town whether we'll enter into this agreement and the long and short of it is if the town enters into this agreement we've already told them that we were gonna do it a little bit surprising it took three years but all good things take time I guess so the state has done traffic studies and studies of the of the road geometry the driveway accesses into the into the street all along the route from route 100 all the way to the center so these signs you know there's narrow bridge signs there's curved signs there's school bus signs with you know flashers on them indicating there's children children at play signs are not signs that are allowed by the the MUTC standards I was trying to remember what that means right now so the manual of uniform traffic control devices you tell I work at featuring they put up they put signs up that you know have pictures on them now so anyway the state is ready to move forward I don't if we sign this agreement I don't know if they're gonna do it next week or I talked to Bill Woodruff on Friday when he gave me this he said it could be as late as 2019 but to get all these signs updated the state will pay for the signs pay for the installation of the signs and the town's responsibility is to then maintain the signs going forward just so you folks know 25 is the lowest speed limit that the state allows municipality to set on any road we have a traffic ordinance on the agenda for later tonight there's no proposals right now to change any of the speed limits on Guptal Road I think that and I travel the Guptal Road from Neal and Flats back and forth at least a couple of times every day I think the speed limits are fine it's that there's no enforcement of the speed limits and again in a little bit after this discussion Mark Mateo one of the select board members is going to update us the town intends to contract with the state police beginning on July 1st for 80 hours of dedicated coverage in Wattebray and one of the things that we'll do when that contract is ready to start is to point out areas of particular concern to us and it doesn't mean the state police are going to be there every single day or every single hour but we'll talk to them about it there is no stop sign at when you're going up Guptal Road when you get to the intersection of Howard Ave and the Y of Maple Street I don't know if I don't think there's any reason why the board could not decide to put a stop sign there going up if you think that would help it certainly would make traffic stop before they accelerated up Maple Street to Hope Davy Park or go across as if they were going to the Rubin 100 it's not in the ordinance now but since you're talking about the ordinance today if you wanted to add it it's just you could you could add that stop sign add it to the ordinance and have it be effective when the ordinance becomes effective so does it always have to be an intersection could it be the town garage entrance yeah you really can't on a thorough fit you know I don't think it's common practice to just put a stop sign kind of where there's no intersection in the stop sign if you were going to put one there would be the stop sign stopping the traffic coming out of town garage you wouldn't be able to stop sign on the street just in the middle of the long run at least I don't see that happen and I think it would be a little bit of a cause to concern and then can you put a sign that says stop sign ahead so that people notice slow down okay and it's just a clarifying question about the signs if you can't do children at play or park ahead is there like can you do slow like those yellow signs are you saying there is one with just pictures of kids well they've got a picture they I don't see one in here and I don't know I think this stops at the intersection that we just described I'm not sure it goes all the way up past hope Davey looks like it's the intersection at the wire right going up where you go page 11 page 10 right so town garage and then there'd be a stop because there's even our the bus stop isn't located on stops it looks like they're putting a stop sign there well those 30 of the stuff yeah that's for coming from that's coming from what you're talking about is one get in that dip yes and have people stop them yes but there's no road intersection yeah it goes like that's that why you could put a stop sign where that number 86 slash 4 is I think going yes well it's kind of two way because maple Street traffic coming off has to stop and this would be or are you talking both sides of that intersection both sides of that intersection so you stop at the four corners and then you stop again and then you yeah so you can talk about I mean that of having a stop sign on the east side of that triangle as we talk I'd just like to understand some of the other options is there a 25 mile an hour speed bump does that exist is that something that meaning a speed bump you can go over 25 miles an hour Costa Rica's they exist in town on Butler Street and Randall yeah because they're not they're not huge you know like hurt your car they are to slow down yeah I feel like on yeah you know the speed bumps we have a couple on Randall Street and on Butler Street typically they're used in you know in those kind of residential settings not on class 2 roads like this it's certainly I think they might be more appropriate in the triangle area I don't think on Guptell Road you know when you're coming down the hill and all the way out to Guptell Road I don't think there would be appropriate on the areas where we have 40 mile an hour speed limits you know the highway they are the convenient for people in the the trucks and you know it's not that they are unconcerned but you know they're they're a little bit problematic I guess what I'd like to do with this is have the select board to authorize me to sign the agreement with the state to do this I've got another one for Stowe Street that's incorporated into the same the same contract we can ask about the you can include in the ordinance in a little while the stop signs at the intersection of Maple Street Guptell Road and then as far as the speed bumps are concerned I'd like to take that under advisement talk to the Public Works director of the highway form in and we can revisit that issue at another meeting I don't want to commit to it and say it's not a problem I'd like to have the whole thing kind of looked down a little bit and come back and talk about that I think the wider speak table is probably not wouldn't be something for Bill to look at yeah we have speak tables on Randall Street a little more user user friendly I'd imagine the traffic is going to increase heavily this summer as well as the construction gets into that zone yeah baseball season is I mean they're running back you it's beautiful up there skate parks there that's where I pulled him from this afternoon and my son's playing baseball up there right now like there's you know they're all running around and enjoying the beauty and just I am really happy that you guys were already thinking about this and adding the stop sign I'm still stuck on flashing lights I just want to say that I'm just because it's so worrisome to me it can't be not allowed so there's well you mean like the one on store yeah the sign on stoes trees it's been I think pretty effective what the cost for something like that so I want to let you know that under can understand your concerns it's been a long time that I've been a witness to things that have changed on Guptell Road there used to be a donut shop just up around the corner that they used to ride my bike to when I was his age that was many moons ago I think a couple of things are at play here with this issue just to let you know three days ago I actually called the state police I was coming down by used to be Jo Jo let's log cabin there just past Harold McNulty's in approaching the kneeling flats Guptell Road intersection and I witnessed this little black Toyota sedan come down off kneeling flats doing in excess of 60 miles an hour and he never touched his brakes and was almost on two wheels turn in the corner and put near t-boned another vehicle I actually had to accelerate to get to the back of his car to get his plate number but I was successful in doing it and called the state police now I don't know whatever happened with it but I lived just down around the corner there behind the Zen before the Zen bar and trust me I witness a lot of what goes on and on that drag and then as concerned as you are and I just keep thinking to myself keep up with your annex people because it's going to end here shortly when the state police get on board hopefully we're going to fill our coffers with revenue source here in short order and start to sting people in the butt so having said that before I think the board needs to consider that in play as part of this hopefully this remedy and whether or not we can maybe postpone some of these bigger issues costly issues and see if the impact of having the state police with speed control how that works and understand that you know the timing issue that you want to have this dealt with as soon as possible but maybe there's a chance that some of this will become under control once the state police are on board full-time if not and maybe we can we can get a better sense of what needs to be done in conjunction with them to hopefully bring some of the speeding to an end the four-way intersection right there by Howard have the hollow dip and got the road I've seen people blow through that thing time and time again I always it's a four-way stops far as I'm concerned but not for everybody yeah no I know and but not for everybody so even even signs sometimes don't make a difference people gotta get stinging them stung in the wallet before before they pay attention can I give you some pushback on that sure that's what you're here for my pushback on that is you can't have a police officer there all Saturday and Sunday when the kids are in full swing up there and so although I appreciate that we've called ourselves they've been up there we had the trap in our yard actually I don't know that we had we had it you know like stuck to our front porch even so so we've already attempted that before approaching you okay if we have I understand they're coming on and they'll actually get maybe more money from us for them coming up there but that's only a temporary fix and they're only there at certain times and that's my that's my big pushback for you the kids are there all the time not just when the police are there and the other the other problem that we're faced with right now and I can tell you that it's it's true for a fact is that people are jump jumping off 100 yeah racing like hell to get up around and get back on over by the cider mill before they beat the line of traffic that's being held up from 100 being such a drastic shape so I know that that's also a big part of this problem right now that's in the morning time so and Alexander walks from that intersection that we're talking about to water what is it watered lane for the bus stop and my kids walk from right there too so there's no so I'd walk there's no slow down that's why another just concerned coming into this season bill again we're apologize if I get here a little late I missed but just to give certainly some historical perspective and to push back a little bit about the sense that the speed limits are now corrected that that that 25 mile an hour speed limit came about through a similar process and the exact locations of the families of the kids was a little bit different it was much more concerned about that rising up that hill and you get to near the post office you can't see people coming in and out and going across and the same thing with the town shed there and an ambulance bar and so then that's when that speed limit got lowered and so I would just say that to say that other parts of row that are now 40 miles per hour it's fine to be 40 miles per hour there I'm not sure I would really agree with that and I think the long-term future that we're looking for for couple road is as a number of other places just a you know significant increase in bike and pedestrian friendliness and support and the area that we're talking about right now is the congested area and it is you know logical because of the assets that are there in terms of park etc but to expect people to be okay with 40 miles an hour buzzing by your driveway a bunch of others and I don't know how it is you'll be living there soon and then to slow down as they come to hill we're really happy that that 25 is there but I'm not sure that 40 miles an hour is appropriate at other people's drivers first of the board have anything to say yeah I have a question I I'm personally in support of budgeting and figuring out how to afford at least one if not two speed signs that flash over whatever speed typically it's speed limit itself like we put on Stowe Street if we were only able to agree on one would it be coming from Sen Barn towards I would imagine that seems to be the more problematic direction I would hope that the board would support the investment in a sign like that I think a couple thousand dollars to protect some of the safety of the children in this area is worth it and I don't think I personally don't need to wait on that decision so I'm in support of that so is that just a one-time cost bill or is there like a yearly fee on something like that as well or the ongoing cost would be the electricity or paying a higher price to have a solar panel to provide the power to the sign I don't remember it might be a little bit higher than 2000 certainly it's less than five but I don't remember offhand what the cost of the one we put two ones Stowe Street and those are why it is connected to the power grid and the other I believe the downhill one has a solar panel on it the solar panel one is more expensive well I would like to suggest that maybe a couple of the board members and perhaps Woody do a little field trip there's a number of options being proposed here and any number of them are fine but well what is going to be the best one for that simply throwing a sign up someplace and then expecting that that's going to resolve the issue I really would be interested in seeing what we may be able to do for traffic calming coming into that whole area and if you know really you're looking at probably the other side of fire station down to the town shed that that general area as well as coming up power because the same thing happens from that angle so if if we can take a generalized look at it see what this sign package involves and then if if additional signage makes sense that's fine if some other traffic calming measure is appropriate the the speed bumps or speed tables there are pluses and minuses with them but they they certainly are effective and maybe a more effective route to go but we need to balance that a little bit but I I would not be opposed to meeting up in the next week or so and and trying to get a handle handle on it seems to make sense I also want to add that I actually lived on Sto Street for eight years and saw the effectiveness of the flashing sign and now I live on Ring Road and drive on Gupto almost every day to Stowe so I know this area very well and I find myself sometimes caught off guard by the quick reduction in speed no it's fine I I hopefully I'm not the one doing that kind of speed through there and I'm not but I just I I know that road very well I travel at multiple times every day and I mean I just think that we can go do that but I just don't I don't really agree that we need to spend a lot more time talking to this I think there's a couple specific issues on certain roads and this one obviously is a major concern for the safety of some residents I think the combination of the police coming on and now police in an area that really had forever has not been policed is gonna be a really good thing but I think in conjunction with flashing sign again I'm gonna support that tonight so I'll leave it I'm supportive of this flashing sign as well I think it's been dramatic improvement on Stowe Street in terms of awareness and you know and I think it's we had to do another study but in term we had a similar group of you know parents come and children maybe two years ago I don't remember a year and a half ago and responded by putting the signs out there and it's been effective so I think it's a it's an easy thing to do it yes it costs money but it's a low cost given I think the potential improvement and I think Bill's point about pedestrian area as well as the comments that were made here just the idea that more people are biking and walking in this area and I mean 25 years ago there was a green pass of Waterbury Grant that explored a separate walking path that never went through because there were a couple of homeowners that weren't quite on board but there was that was an idea 25 years ago so here we are now so I'm a supportive of the sign I'm also supportive of the idea of looking in the big picture with traffic calming thank you this is really great good news the only thing that I just want to point out is that Butler and Stowe Street do have sidewalks and we don't so I I'm so grateful for the flashing sign and more signs and police presence will be wonderful but I do want to move forward with a whole full of a speed table or a speed bump just because we don't have I mean I think it'd be really expensive to try to put you know some sidewalks where we are but I just wanted to say that anyway I would I would support Mark's suggestion of a subcommittee that works with Bill and I'd be happy to participate in that because I live in the area okay well we'll kind of address I think more detailed so we outline of this at the traffic ordinance conversation right Bill as far as well we can we can talk about a couple things with the traffic ordinance stop signs in particular there's really nothing else that you can do now with that so your suggestion to meet with the Public Works Director are you wanting to hold up on this contract with the state to do this signage or I can like I said it could be as late as next year before they get to it but the quicker we sign it the quicker opportunity I think the signage package that I was seeing on both of those and I'm just speaking for myself here I thought those would be a good good enhancement and like you say it could take a year or so for that to actually go into effect I see no reason to delay that we if we do end up adding some additional ones that would would be an expense that would be on our done but the packages presented for both Stone Street got the load seem to be very appropriate okay all right build you up I have a one other quick question on if we were to approve a flashing sign tonight if I were to propose what's the estimated lead time if you had a best guess from an approval to probably months couple months compared to maybe more than a year well these sign packages here is what Bill was talking about it it may happen more quickly it may be more protracted it you started in what 2015 with the discussion on this so that's that's state speed and hopefully we can move much more properly than that so just to avoid down the road controversy on the Guptell road one would y'all look at page 12 there's two signs one in each direction to warn of the curve at the Zen Baron and those signs are gonna you know that's Guptell's house there and then Austin's house the Austin's house at the top and Guptell's house at the bottom well pretty accurate we they they recommend I don't remember offhand what the size of those signs are but when we first looked at them Bill Woodruff asked can we make them smaller and they said that they would but there is the signs that will go up are as small as they're able to be so I just you know if you don't like these signs I don't know if the only other alternative would be those small multiple arrows but I don't know I think that the upper one is more to scale but they're going to be big signs and one thing that I'm gonna I didn't think to ask Bill on Friday what he mentioned this to me then I looked at it I said we better go and talk to those property owners I just stated here I wouldn't I'm glad I'm not living there but yeah you're right that was I was going to suggest you better go talk to the adjacent neighbors there first before you attempt to do something like that I don't know how many people drove down Neal and flats there or Guptell Road just the other day and saw the parking area down over the bank across from my place the vehicle that was I think we can look at the I kind of wondering if signs like this really make a difference when it comes to if we go to the science summary sheet is it the one direction large arrow it says that it's 18 inches wide and one foot tall there's the whole summary I mean if I'm wondering if that's the one it says one direction large arrow one direction large arrow maybe it seems like they're in order of how they're on the road let me see if it that might be I didn't look at those market maybe so those are significantly smaller I think that the picture if it's 18 by 12 that isn't too bad yeah I think I think that's what's represented here all right well we'll check into it and if they're if they're gonna be excessively big we'll make sure we talk to the neighbors okay so what I meant earlier was as far as structuring I guess our steps as how we would approach dealing with this wouldn't that would we lay that out now or wait till we get to the traffic ordinance portion of it well I don't think there's anything so to really lay out right now I mean well there's a suggestion mark and and Jane have expressed support for a sign if they want to put a sign up they should make a motion and you should vote on that I'll make that motion this time yeah I would do it now I'll make the motion to add a flashing speed sign similar to what we have on Stowe Street on the I guess north bound direction on Guptell Road prior to or when the 25 mile an hour zone starts prior to the town garage ish okay I know there's a second somewhere here I'll second that any further discussion I mean I don't know whether we need two signs or one I guess start out with one so my question I guess would be to the board and to Bill would there would there be a sunset on the timeframe for this if at some point we felt it that traffic was under control there was no longer a need for that what do we own those signs okay I mean if you if you go to the if you go to the extent to buy the sign and install it it would be foolish to take it out you know it's not in the money isn't in the budget for this side but we did Stowe Street the money wasn't in the budget for that sign either and you know we have a budget that's well over a million dollars in the highway department you can probably figure out a way to buy it if you want to do it but it's not specifically budgeted what I'd like to do I don't know there is on the Stowe Street one there's there's a they're going to remove this school flashing sign and they're going to put in a different sign and I believe there's going to be you know a sign like this which shows children walking which probably we could put up on the Guptell Road and this has beacons on it it's not a speed limit it doesn't flash out you and say you know speed limits 25 and you're going 42 it's a sign that blinks to alert you that there may be children pleasant present if we're gonna when we get to the traffic ordinance if you decide to include stop signs at the Maple Street Guptell Road intersection that aren't in this plan now we'll take them to the state to see if we can include them in the package I don't know if the state would pay for the flashing speed limit signs we can ask but I guess that's my point for for waiting to make any of these motions or any of these decisions until we get to the traffic ordinance and then figure out how to structure moving forward with this as to effect of you know what should come first whether we should go to do what you suggested members of the rec committee sitting here since right so I'm trying to move forward here and just try to figure out at that point when we when we talk about the traffic ordinance how to structure any of these motions are so we've made got a motion that's been seconded how do we you can you know just till we get to the traffic ordinance then pick it back up again you understand Jane because there's a lot more involved in this than just this flashing sign that you're talking about and I just want to make sure that we have it in the right order is the order it's the order just the question on whether or not the state would be paying for it or we're paying for it I guess I'll make the motion that we included in the traffic ordinance and if the state says they're not going to pay for it I'm making the motion that the town pays for it I guess what I'm afraid of is piling on too many added here without making the motion okay right I guess I think that this seems like a safety issue that I don't think we can wait a year or a year and a half to address another has been brought up and I think this seems to be a lot of support for the signs so I'm hoping that we can agree to ask about whether it can be paid and if it can't as as Mark says the town should pay for it by the way to pay okay I'm not asking to deny any of that at this point I'm just asking to take this question and put it off the traffic ordinance so we can get to Wintersfest and these other issues and then address all of this under the traffic ordinance topic so that we get it in the right order that's all I'm asking doesn't sound so I'll just move forward then motion has been made and seconded to authorize to purchase a flashing speed light speed limits light for somewhere on it's at the 1.65 mile mile sign from the intersection of Guptell 100 it's marked 1.65 it's the first 25 mile an hour sign prior to the truck entry at 1.705 the transition point from the 30 to 25 okay all those in favor say hi hi okay thank you very much for coming in all righty thank you all for coming in recreation Winnerfest you dead Bill who was that so let me just say one of these are probably the red committee was the concept and the idea they'll talk about was a walkable like a little connection between Waterbury Center and downtown so that's why I'm here so I didn't mind so thanks for inviting us I'm representing the recreation committee I'm Frank Spaulding I'm just a member of the recreation committee I'm representing the committee tonight because of the dual roles of many of our members including the chair of the committee is also a Winnerfest so I was elected appointed bubble and fold to MCB so we're not gonna rehash what happened last year that's not our goal what we want to do is report the fact that we had a conversation with the Winnerfest committee have come up with some steps to move forward to have this very energetic volunteer group continue bringing for a program that's going to be successful for participants in the town and the businesses in the community of large we've looked at what happened we learned from it and we've made the plan to go forward our goal is not punitive we as a committee by large decided that we did not need to be punitive to the Winnerfest committee over what happened last winter we're moving forward so we come up with basically two recommendations that were reflected in the committee minutes from 314 and essentially they are to come up to task the Winnerfest committee and a member of our community come up with a service level agreement between the Winnerfest committee and town and participants to guide behavior going forward the other part that we asked them to come up with was to look into the issue of insurance right now the town's carrying insurance on this group and we tasked them to look into the concept of getting their own insurance in the spirit of full disclosure the committee the Winnerfest folks and the members of the committee that was tasked to work with them on that have gotten together and they're the feeling at this point in time the service level agreement might be too heavy in terms of the way to go and are moving more towards their thinking so this is not an official report they're considering more of a guidance document that would be would would really lay out the behavior of the participants and the volunteers at the events and it would be a guidance manual that would be be shared with the people that are putting on events and the volunteers that are staffed to make sure that what took place last winter doesn't take place again and the insurance investigation is still on going so that's where we're at right now glad to take any questions you have I can't speak for the committee because once you get together again talk about that but if you have any questions I'll answer the best of my ability is there any plan for any type of restructuring for Winnerfest or do you think you've got a platform that as far as different events or timing or any of those types of changes or you think you watch the events restructuring the events themselves are you adding different things are you going to change it up a little bit of timing being time of year you're still looking at that same I mean this snow has kind of played against you there so I'm not going to be too well Winterfest is deciding I think our role the recreation committee is to try to help them be successful and working as we have a we have a record now which is great because you know we can represent the interest of the citizens in terms of recreation and that can represent the interest of the town office I think together will help direct Winterfest to to have a successful event so I don't think they've gone to that point yet I don't want to speak for them and I won't but I knew to know that was discussed discussed at the meeting that there was consideration about that yeah what bills here it looks like he's anxious to maybe will it answer any questions you like the same one I do that currently there's nothing resolved in terms of changing of timing and the schedule of events what has evolved is the way we this year are dispersing the what the money that were raised is has gone through a pretty exciting change and we'd be happy to come and talk about the grant program that we created and the process that we went through with how we've been dispersing those but what's relevant to your question is and what's relevant to this issue is that part of that process encourages those people requesting grants so provide something to Winterfest so there's a good chance we'll have a kind of a new generation of people coming on board meeting some events maybe some new events maybe taking over some of the other events so the timing of this requirement to have this guidance document as Winterfest is kind of growing is is really fortuitous and so it's it's good that we're going to be kind of forced to get these guidance regulations in front of all these new people who may not remember what we did last year or have a reference or etc. so as far as the specifics of changing some of the timing with events were not at that point yet but to your point there are more people who are going to be more involved with different events and there's that much more need to have a guidance document I think one of the things that as I hear you talk about getting your own insurance the liability is one thing but the worst thing we can probably happen for Winterfest is there's something more to happen and it basically ends probably ends Winterfest depending on the level of what the offense or injury or whatever it is so I think it's important as you guys grow and I think it's great to see the growth of Winterfest from your years there are ways to bring alcohol and do an event that's legal and safe and there are outside parties like myself that have been involved in Winterfest and I was this weekend involved in the crowd grinder that we work with alcohol on a daily basis and we know the rules of Vermont and we take alcohol very seriously and I think that there are plenty of people in the community that have similar licenses like I have that can can help you guys if you want to include alcohol in certain adult events so I think that's an important part of as you guys move forward too because the worst thing that could happen is something happens and then it's done so it is a good wake-up call I think it's going to mature the relationship between Winterfest and my town I think it's going to mature the Winterfest committee quickly somebody else I just gonna say that I think it's really important to have protocol and as you said new people coming in expanding and new players and so to have some ground rules to be able to pass along it's part of maturing the whole thing really good stuff well sometimes the best builder of something like this it's once in a while having school hard knocks thank you guys for coming in I have something else okay all right so something else that's come this over the past well I've now done two some two full summers managing the parks and the recreation department and something that really has come apparent is we don't have and it kind of actually goes along with Winterfest we do not have a true recreation department park policy the very first year I'd be like you know where do I find out about where we get bases and they're like oh you talked to Randy okay what if Randy's not here well we're not sure so and we've run into issues as it as growth occurs and new presidents come on that don't know the past way so I believe you forwarded this to them correct yes the policy bill I sent it to you and you sent it to them no bill was going to forward this to you I will forward it to you afterward I have actually taken a lot research and wrote a park policy manual to address all the issues I shared it with Woody and Celia and then I shared it with all the leaks to get feedback as well as the recreation committee you know probably they'll be needing some tweaks as we go but it definitely just lists guidelines and what we're responsible for what the leaks are responsible for and so there's not that confusion in it so I honestly thought those passing on so I apologize for that so I will forward that to you I don't need to come back you can read it through and and then take it upon yourself to see if you want to make it a mandated part of the recreation department okay I gotta say that your efforts are gonna be sorely missed thank you I should let you know that the Red Cross program that you allowed Heather and I to get certified in the first year was I reported would break even and it was a profit year the first year and with the partnership in the Red Cross programs through the spring well winter and spring with first and fitness was a surplus of what we profited about $4,000 on those programs that were able to filter programs that aren't as that are just barely breaking even so thank you on that one too all right thank you very much absolutely I'll forward this to you guys tomorrow so that you have it and can read through it but like I said it obviously of the bedroom needs weeks but the main players that are involved in this type of thing have read it and and supported about 822 and rotary club is up next not quite into Independence Day festival good evening I'm Harry Shepard and we're here this evening to ask permission for our special event moving NQID back into the village this year little description of some changes that were proposing and I think we're seeking a special event permit to hold this it'll be on in Rusty Parker Park but we also are working with the state and we are planning to use the state property for some kids events within the horseshoe and then fireworks in the evening and I think that that's going to be accepted what we're hoping to do at Rusty Parker Park is a festival for one day on June the 30th we're proposing to move the start time of the parade from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. we're hoping to you know kind of have some continuity with all the people that come into town for the parade to roll into the festival that will hold that Rusty Parker Park we're going to have a couple of bands and a beer garden we've applied for a festival permit and I think that that's being processed through the state at this point we would like to have custody of the parking spaces around the perimeter of the park we're a little concerned that it's kind of tight for the size of the event and we would we're thinking of setting up our vendors on the parking spaces around the perimeter park and Rory way we're trying to see if we could work something with the antique car show folks to possibly have some of the antique cars over on that side and then on Main Street in the morning we're thinking about trying to have the the bleachers and kind of the focal point for the parade right up Rusty Parker Park on the monuments and working with Randy and hopefully get her permission to use her porch in the past it was like a red our bads we're kind of trying to think of moving the the central area for the parade and you know the grandstand area and we might use the town's grandstand facing the parade and then pick them up and kind of move them to the opposite side of the monuments and get them incorporated into the festival after the parade goes by that's generally what what our ask is and you know if I can answer any questions be happy to so the parade takes place at four o'clock yeah okay these special events I mean what's the kind of the kickoff timeline for yeah for the particular thing we're thinking of setting up Saturday morning and then starting festival activities before the parade to okay and then hold that festival through fireworks 930-ish so it'll be bigger it'll be wrapped up by 10 we've had discussions with the property owner that's concerned about noise down there across the street and she's on board and we've made it clear that we're gonna hold the event through to 10 the musical go through to 10 so it's a little different than a typical Thursday night where we typically shut down the music around 830 and so what time would the music start the music's gonna start right after the parade we'll probably have not a live band we'll have you know other music going on starting at 2 o'clock but not a live band live bands will start after the parade so was it yeah yeah in the corner where the plaza area is so that's the critical town has involvement in the rusty Parker park is owned by the village you you already attended a village trustee's meeting the trustees have allowed use of the park for the event yeah it's kind of odd you know it's June 30th that's the last day the village really is going to be in existence as the village so the parking on the street I'll take care of that with you you know it's the village still has the ordinance for parking on June 30th if it was on July 1st it would not be the village but so the village has allowed the use of the park and allowed the use the the beer garden on the park subject to the license that they need from the town right and then I think the rest of the events if you will and even if this were next year the village still owns the park so you'll you'll have to talk with them about it but I think that the fireworks are going to be here right behind the complex yeah and you're going to be you may have said it already the state is allowing some use of the horseshoe they are you know it's a passive use you know we're probably gonna try to it won't be any heavy equipment there might be kids related vendors I think there's someone that wants to do face painting neck that kind of thing but we're not selling those vendor spaces we can't try to raise any funds on the state property but if there is a couple of vendors who have expressed interest that are more kid-oriented and the horseshoe is what we're thinking about for that so what kind of discussion have you had about fear of lack of attendance because it's later in the day then I think most of the most of the people that we've talked to think it makes sense there's been a few that you know have wondered but change has always comes with that kind of thing yeah we have experienced in the last few years where there's there's a wall you know the parade breaks up there's a there's a good massive of participants down in the village and when we were out far field you know it was really hard to draw them drawn back so you know this is one of the things we're going to try to see if we can keep everybody engaged from you know when they come downtown to the village for the parade and then hopefully you know roll right into the festival enjoy the event yeah what's that makes downtown impassable from basically four to five is that is about an hour it's actually a little longer than that when you know we're gonna set up like we did in the past around the state drives this you know the outer horseshoe the state complex but I think you know in reality there's a pretty a lot of visitors a lot of pedestrians I the road closure we used to have the village police help us you know I think it was like 15 minutes or so before the parade after actually kicked off and it I think it was more than an hour this year 30 actually like pardon it was at 10 30 a half an hour before the previous half an hour right I think it was more than like two hours that it was actually closed and this year we're trying to arrange for Washington County Sheriff's to help with providing some blue lights for that I guess my big concern would be just the amount of traffic on June 30th at 4 verse 11 I just feel like I don't know what happens what happens when people are parked on that road and then the parade happens so say I mean for example they go into my restaurant and they don't know there's a parade about to happen is there car trap there for two hours yeah I just feel a little concerned and how that transition works I think before it was kind of like the downtown hasn't really turned on and people haven't really parked there yet but in this scenario it's halfway through the business day for anyone who opens for lunch ongoing and then customers potentially don't know it's coming and I mean I guess there can be warning signs that the road would be shut down but then that makes them maybe not want to even park or stay in the area I don't know it just seems like it might work against the businesses even though I think the idea was to make it work for the businesses I also so many mentioned to that and I agree that change is fine and it's always worth trying but someone else mentioned that they tend to always use the break to have family barbecues and so now they have to kind of figure out their game plan but I just told them to do their barbecue first yeah I'm a little concerned about how that's gonna work with the businesses downtown well my question I guess for you Harry is that you know I'm just curious to know how people feel about I won't say waiting around till two o'clock to actually go to an event being the fact that past there's some kind of use to what's been the norm for so many years but again it's one of those deals where you don't know if you if you try until you try so I'm not saying that it's a bad idea I just I wish you the best of luck with that and to Mark's point I understand his concerns I guess just science on this in that main where side parking areas of just warning people that they might get trapped that they're from out of town I think people in town will know what there's to be a lot of tourism on June 30th that we kind of have to think about you'll have to put a little note in their menu and they get it then you'll have to be sorry to be locked here for a couple hours they get trapped they'll have to come back and get another round yeah it's the green man miles still happening to start off the parade I believe it is because that's usually fairly good deterrent for parking yes okay so do we need to make a motion for this bill to the change of kind of no I don't think you need to make a motion for that I think Harry's here to inform you I think you could make a motion now to authorize the beer garden and then direct staff to make sure that the proper permits are in place if you want to do that you can do that tonight is there gonna be a tent not big so rain would really ruin any kind of for you it's right now you had the festival permit approved by the select board last month trustees actually we'll still have to sign off on that anyway right the festival permit yeah yeah that required my your approval my signature it typically they can just go right through Carla right so not that tight but others it has my signature block but I guess like we're doing that yeah we had a meeting there was a special meeting in the morning yeah so that's already off to DLC yeah okay it sounds like we're all set yeah so I'm gonna try to do some temporary signage along main chute I think is what I heard I think it'd be just helpful especially the first year just to create awareness but I just don't know how you were before I don't think there was anyone really in town because there really aren't any breakfast spots downtown so no one's really parked and inside yeah I think some people are gonna caught off guard when all of a sudden a parade starts happening and they're parked and already inside these businesses and then they come out maybe some would be really excited but others might be really upset so I guess I'll reach to all the businesses in the area too okay well yeah I mean I will do the best we can and I'll talk to our W and maybe Alyssa can I was gonna say that I'll put yeah yeah I think that would be a good idea and we can put up a bunch of signs that say warning like if you're parked and it'd be helpful to understand like I guess I got to think through where you can and can't park where maybe we can make suggestions that people if they walk up to the business can go with their car real quick or something if they do have another scheduled thing they need to be at that they don't want to stick around for the parade so if they're in the bank parking lot they haven't skated right yeah I don't even know what's happening with that by them there might be gates there but I mean it behind the old Ocha building I think you'd be trapped probably for sure the parade period but even any of that street parking like there's typically not a lot of cars anyway is it well that's was that were you allowed to park on you were a lot of parts of your car was there but I don't remember seeing many cars in the past on people come down and park their car to save their spot and you were talking about trying to have a certain section yeah we know that we in the past wondered about whether or not we could not have parking on bank hill when the like the ceremonies were kind of set up in our bad's porch there we have in the past wondering about whether or not we could like hold this parade without parking on Main Street I know that that might be hard to accomplish but we're just better for the mornings I think then after you move the review thing to Rusty Parker we have we have bleachers there and that will be where that is the intent right in front of the memorial I put the bleachers there and the review stain is going to be on Randy's porch I love the box the night before and QID Main Street is pretty much filled up with either cars or lunches with ropes or yellow ribbon from saving my spot down here past the library all the way down Main Street it's gonna be different this year we'll see how it goes well that's what you brought up the fact that that time span and it differs a little bit from the various lots of people that you don't want to get right and wrong spent a custom on people including myself to bring my truck up for a car up in the evening not before I didn't even realize that was happening well sneaky if the same place the same thing takes place again and they show up at the same time they normally do they're going to be deeply disappointed a long way I'd like to enforce the two-hour parking rule there are cars and trucks parked along Main Street starting at 6 o'clock in the morning this is making me mad now I don't want to support it if they're going to squat all day in the parking spaces so they can put their chairs up in the afternoon the business is still trying to get to work out it'll be a good after-action review well I was going to say moving forward with it and get through it and people will adjust like they always do and they'll learn from it what to do and what not to do I do like the prospect of making it more family friendly and trying to bring it back into the center of the community and it comes with challenges I'm glad to see that you're willing to take it on I also like the idea of using the horseshoe we were working with the state building grounds folks for a while I'm trying to get them to do it we have to do it respectfully it's not going to be a ferris wheel or anything that's going to dig up the yard and hopefully no rain so we're hoping to get other businesses throughout town involved with taking a piece of it a bounce house or whatever sounds like fun here okay what are your plans for quarter-party development? we're going to get some quarter-potties that we're going to add over in Rusty Parker Park near the pump house because in the past, I believe people have had marathon in October there's usually a pretty significant line of a butt yeah we're not going to get that many but we are getting some other temporary facilities at the pump house they can put them on your lawn there if you would love them are you ready? absolutely thank you good luck okay, Bill, it's your turn back to the traffic ordinance I did want to mention first there we're going to have to you had kind of scheduled your update here yeah, it made more sense to push it down in a smaller audience thank you the state police started midnight break as well, potentially everything changed at midnight on the 30th okay, as I talked about briefly at the start of the meeting the traffic ordinance that I emailed to you on Friday is not the one that's before you today all of the important elements what the speed limits are and what locations they are where the stop signs are all that was in what I said to you on Friday so if you look that over this one has some changes mainly editorial changes every place the old ordinance said police officer it now says enforcement officer there's definitions of enforcement officers enforcement officers included in here that includes state police county sheriffs constable they're all defined by state statute so it just kind of takes advantage of just taking that lump of people that are allowed to enforce this ordinance the penalty section is changed from what you saw on Friday it's not changed from what we looked at last fall the only one that wasn't here last year but if you look on pages 32 and following talks about waiver penalties so any reference that you may have seen if you read it on Friday to jury trials and things like that are gone now if in essence all of the moving violations and speed limits will be adjudicated under the state's you know title 23 traffic laws and people will pay their fines to the judicial bureau parking right now even though this ordinance includes parking time limits the state police has informed us that they're not going to be writing parking tickets so if we wanted to enforce parking we'd have to hire the county sheriff or we could hire for lack of a better term civilian hired chockers or whatever we don't have meters to read so anyway the essence of this is what I sent out the other day if you want to include the stop signs that we discussed at the intersection of Guptell Road Maple Street I guess is it Hollow Road all the way over in front of where TJ's was Guptell goes to Howard and Hollow is that the only thing with that bill and the reason I would like to just go there and see it I'm familiar with the area too we'd rather have that good and clear sense before we say plan a couple of signs here so if you don't want to include those stop signs now just because you want to look at it I don't think it's all that problematic from the date that you adopt an ordinance it's the 61st day after you adopt the ordinance when it becomes enforceable so this ordinance will be enforceable in full like on July 7th but the existing town ordinance that already has a speed limit on Guptell Road and Maple Street and Neil and Flats that is will be enforceable now and will still be in effect until this goes in effect so if you're uncertain I would recommend that you adopt this if you adopt it I will have to work with Kara to get a summary of this published in the library record and then inform the public that they have I believe they have 44 days in which to petition a special time meeting to overturn this ordinance if people don't want it if it gets past 44 days then there can't be a petition to set it aside but it still doesn't go in effect for another 20 days after that 15 days after that and if you decide next month that you want to include those stop signs at Maple Street and Guptell Road you can amend this ordinance and then it will be 60 days from the date of the amendment that that can be done so it's a living document but that will basically well there again to my point maybe these flashing speed limit traffic flowing signs may prevent the need for these additional signs it'll help certainly it's just a good visual and a good reminder and most folks are pretty conscientious about that you still have those that don't care but I think Stow Street there's been a reasonable adjustment in driving behavior with that so I think that's the start but it may be that in looking at that and we consider the other options that we may want to consider doing that yep so it makes sense so if somebody wants to make a motion to adopt the new ordinance change motor vehicle and traffic a motion to adopt the new ordinance for regulating motor vehicles of traffic I'll second that the motion has been made and seconded is there any further discussion Mark Friar you look like you had something you wanted to say no I was going to second not the best enough alright step back so seeing there's no further discussions all those approve say hi thank you alright what about these? do we have to approve these? yeah I think it would be appropriate here to make a motion to authorize me to find that agreement so moved I'll second that all those in favor of the finance and maintenance agreement say hi hi thank you if I can interject and just give everybody the update as to what I know right at this point some folks know but others don't there's yet another transition taking place at the Middlesex station the station commander that came on board a couple months ago he's going to be leaving and they haven't selected a new replacement yet but when they do we should be in pretty good stead they have identified the two troopers that they'll be assigning I can't share names at this point but they opened it across the state for interest they had three troopers that were all interested in doing it they selected two out of the three and one is very comfortable working the day shift the other one's very comfortable working the night shift that suits their living situations appropriately so we're lined up with that Bill I had some paperwork from the state police some preliminary language on the contract and we're still working back and forth on refining that they found out that they have to go through a more formalized process for requesting the positions which is not a big surprise it's also part of why we were we're moving ahead the way we did so they've got language that is being submitted on that requesting the limited service positions that would be these two trooper slots for us so timing lines we're looking like the July start up should work well who has to approve that is it legislature that has to approve that or joint fiscal committee well it is following through the administration the chair of administration is usually the one that has the approval on those positions and they've got a new standardized form that check the block and fill in the blank kind of thing and so the language that you saw provided revised language because some of it was not entirely accurate so we're in better shape with that and maternal was on the verge of reaching out to us to have discussion over location for a local office for the troopers and also having the preliminary discussion on kind of like the rules of activity and this ordinance piece is an important piece for us with respect to that because as long as we've got a properly adopted ordinance in place the ability for them to utilize this for writing traffic violations in the town is there without proper ordinances they wouldn't be able to do that and when you look at the ordinances as they're laid out they mirror state statute motor vehicle law so troopers for the most part right under state statutes for their violations but if there's a properly enacted ordinance in place they're able to do that and that would be a working discussion that we would have with those folks and what we're working to do from what the lieutenant said both candidates are really excited about the prospect of doing this and they specifically when they were doing the interview process they were looking for folks that had a good community oriented policing perspective on stuff and these troopers are experienced officers and I think it's going to be a good fit for us and they're looking forward to being able to make those community connections that generally speaking in the world of working out of a station and servicing multiple communities you don't get the chance to have that level of connection but I think they will. Is there any risk that this doesn't get approved and do we need to be thinking about that at all? I don't think so I think it will move along it's just dealing with the bureaucratic process at this point the strong part and it goes back to us taking the positive process about getting that early approval and everything else we've certainly demonstrated argument to sustain that process and we've tried to some of the language that I suggested for that form was just articulating what the workload and what the benefit would be to the state and to the community by having these additional positions and these assignments that they're getting, is that a year contract and what happens to them? They were looking for at least a year commitment with one of the candidates he had scheduled to retire earlier than that but I think having somebody with that level of experience and that orientation once this project is moving along I think it will serve to sell itself among the others people become troopers because they don't want to work in just one set community they want to be able to have the variety and the challenges and the like so when the advertisement goes out you invariably get the ones who why would I want to do that? I don't want to be stuck in a single community if I wanted to do that I would have become a local officer but others with a broader range of experience can see the level of impact they have in a community like that so two things in our favor we've got experienced officers that are going to be coming in but we also have people that want to be doing this type of work I was aware of the fact that one of them was close to retirement there and wasn't sure whether I should have mentioned that but you did for me so just curious to know how that but you kind of explained it how that transition to a place with the fact that this particular trooper might not be around and how the next one would mold into his shoes when Bill and I met with the command staff the discussion was around time commitments and everything and they basically had to come from the position of going with a year commitment because trying to make that longer commitment was more difficult but knowing that they had that year and if somebody's not working out for us or it's not working out for them then they have the lead time to be able to make that replacement the third candidate the reason for the non-selection the trooper recently was assigned with a canine and the station where that trooper was coming from had made the sacrifice of getting the trooper through all their training and everything else and being down and staffing and they just felt to be fair to that home station they didn't want to take that person right at that point in time but six months or so down the road did you see a different story? Bill, what's going to be the process since we haven't really feel these kind of concerns because it was sitting with the trustees but as I'm sure we're going to start to get community members asking us for certain things like speed enforcement in certain areas what's going to be the best process or how did it work with the trustees or how do you envision how that will work if someone or multiple people request a specific suggestion of the state police do I bring it to the select board will it be an item on our weekly meetings or like when does that happen that we discuss it and then does it go through you and then it goes to them or we expect it to have someone here to present them so by and large my suggestion would be if particular board members get members of the public asking questions expressing concerns asking for particular service you know these folks contacted and expressed a concern about what's happening on Guptal Road in the center I think it's best if you contact me and then I would have the contact with the lieutenant at middle sex express what the concern is and then you know they would feel that and they would process it it doesn't need to go through like a meeting no if the request that you made to me was something that I felt was somehow you know a broader discussion thing I would say well I think maybe we ought to put that on an agenda talk to this select board about it if I talk to the station commander and he wasn't receptive to my concerns and I don't expect that they would blow me off but if they just kind of ignored it I would bring that back to the select board and report that here so that we could bring a little bit higher level of concern from the community to the station commander but I think that from the one meeting that Mark and I had with the key players all the way up to the colonel you know they want this to work I think as much as we do and I think they're going to be very they're going to have their radar out to try to meet the community's expectations with certain limitations they were pretty clear we're not going to you know write parking tickets we're not going to probably be answering every parking dog complaint kind of thing but regular policing public safety concerns whether it be traffic or noisy neighbors or what have you you know they'll be involved I mean I know Mark you talked about this when we initially went into the contract but what is the reasoning that they wouldn't take that on are they doing other activities or they just feel that it's not part of take what on the parking for example like I just I'm wondering why something like that is considered kind of off the table there are just so many other things that will draw the resource away and you know the instance that you had here before with multiple people in a local department and utilized part-time folks and you can supplement with that with this we'd be using a resource that would just be woefully underutilized for doing something like that you think they'll have plenty of other stuff to do I think so because I just want to make sure that it wasn't more like it just felt like it wasn't anything they could ever do one of the difficulties and I don't think that they would do it even if we had parking meters but one of the difficulties of enforcing the parking ordinance that we have is that it's not timed so what you have to do is you have to walk through a section of the community determine which cars are where make notations, chalk tires or whatever and then you've got to come back two hours later or half an hour later or 15 minutes later and do it. If you had meters and you could just walk up and whilst the red violation sign is up, you write a ticket and you move on they probably still wouldn't be doing that and my guess is I'm not a law enforcement person but my guess is that if troopers are saying why would I want to do that job if I wanted that I'd be on a local police force I think more of them would probably say do I really want to write parking tickets so I just don't think that's going to happen. We can address that. A little while back there where maybe it was WDV workers are parking for the entire day some of that kind of stuff I feel like Blue Stone calls in and says this car's here all day that like can they address that or they literally just won't Unfortunately for me Mark that your comments and your concerns even though to some degree valid makes the hair stand out in the back of my neck because I think to myself when is it the time going to come when adults become responsible for some of their ridiculous actions and it's unfortunate that we have to well we can't even hire an animal control officer because nobody wants the job to deal with people's dogs and their idiocy it's just it's I would never be that disrespectful to my neighbors I just wouldn't maybe I was raised in the wrong way but you know I get really frustrated when I think about how people act towards other people and it eats me up sometimes to think that we have to hire people to patrol people when it when it comes to situations as as idiotic as you know overstaying your parking because you just don't care what whether you should be there for more than two hours you know because we you know we just stosed you for example I just quickly look through it and there's like no parking here to corner like is that something that they will write a ticket for potentially so they would write that kind of that kind of stuff it's like the swimming hole problem where everybody parks on both sides of a dirt road you can't get anybody in out but those kind of parking problems are things that they deal with regularly but the other piece of this is and the command staff was very supportive of it too is just the local engagement aspect like getting to know the business owners getting into the schools and the like it's they're willingness to do that sort of stuff I guess I would prefer to have that level of engagement than having somebody chalking tires on this yeah Anthony was great he would come into the restaurant and let everyone know that the park it wouldn't park and that's people forget about it he would come in and just let the bartenders know let people know that they're at midnight even though we're open to one that like their cars will start moving if so you brought up a good question that just came to mind when you talked about people parking on both sides of the dirt road so in in the under the circumstance that we've had on couple road there near me a few times would they address something and that would be something more often than not addressed with the proprietor at the attractive nuisance but yeah that sort of thing and you know the the disadvantage we have right now is that we really don't have that sort of presence to head that off before it becomes a problem with with what they should be able to have for the freedom of movement within the community I think it's going to serve all of our needs much better well I certainly hope this works out for the betterment of both the state and us because unlike Mark Friar I dread the concept of the town white police department that just the expense of it all would be quite a burden so if there's no other why did you call me on specific no because I know you you know you're kind of in favor of seeing that to come to fruition so I wasn't picking on you or anything you know I felt picked on I'll bring you the teddy bear next to me everyone Eric you are aware I'm sure if you're not material in school you're probably but a person being the so-called aka meter maid does not have to be a law enforcement certified person and I can't imagine this community if there isn't someone that either has sensemen law enforcement connections or maybe retired please offer some other city or whatever wouldn't be enjoying what along the way what's the legality of that with not actually being on a payroll you know paid to that point I mean the village advertised for somebody to do that job and there was not one applicant we advertised in the newspaper we advertised on the website maybe they just didn't want to be affiliated with the village police department I don't know but I was going to mention that except I felt I could mention that at the next meeting because we've been here a long time but we can talk about other ways to enforce the parking ordinance if you want to I think I've heard what you said Bill is the reason that's why we do in the town having only two offices because what a very police department basically was not effective and was somewhat a laughing stock of the entire law enforcement committee the same amount okay people transportation liaison contract yeah I sent this out on Friday to you this is the position that fireman fire is employed with and we have taken the long term community recovery director position out of this job description or out of this contract because for the most part all of those issues are tied up and you know completed so this contract actually we signed it in May last year it's retroactive to April 1st I had it virtually ready before then and then I had the flu and forgot to bring it to a meeting so anyway Barb works as an employee of the town under the auspices of this contract she this contract for this year is 20 hours a week last year was 23 hours a week next year probably 25 hours a week with the main street project coming into play the position is probably about 80% funded through state cooperative agreement that we have with the state she keeps track of the hours that she works as the liaison right now on this route 100 construction project she keeps track of the hours that she works gearing up the main street project and the state reimburses us for all these costs so I would ask that you authorize this agreement and authorize me to sign it runs through I think March 31st next year so moved is there a second? any further discussion? I just like to say that there's been people that have approached me or made comments in reference to her position and wondering why we're continuing to have that position filled but I think in all due fairness I think it's a valid position up through including the reconstruction main street project these are big projects and by our I a point even when she was working for Armada when we first had the long-term recovery contracts with them you know when we got to the point of knowing what we were going to do as far as the building I delegated her to be the lead person on this this building project you know we have limited staff right now and this the cost is really being born by the state you know I think that when the main street project is completed I'll never say never but I would expect that probably the position will phase out at that point but since it's being paid for by the state they're willing to pay us to have somebody to get out and to work with the public to work with people in the tourism industry to field complaints I mean the number of emails that she's getting already on this room 100 project and it's only a month old if somebody else in the office had to be doing that we wouldn't be getting anything done I think you'd get a lot more if she wasn't already doing the work that she's been doing I think there's real value in having one person who is handling all that and has that as these projects just like this building getting built in this whole facility you know they have a good memory of they put it all together and I think that's invaluable well it's one thing the emails that are being sent out not only by her but agency of transportation are kind of redundant but the fact that she's handling the personal phone calls and dealing with the critical situations and a hands on approach that you're probably not going to get that same service out of the agency of transportation and I got to say one other thing they're dealing for anybody that's driven up room 100 here if Barb had been here tonight we could have maybe had a little discussion about how that whole thing's going but if that's any indication of how reconstruction of Main Street is going to happen it's going to go it's going to be way worse it's going to be it's going to be a few years of madness here but we got to get through so emotions been made and seconded to support the transportation liaison contract bill sign that what's that so all those in favor please say aye okay thank you and our last thing a letter from Mr. Kilgore if any of you do personal business with Jeff he's phasing out of his law practice so this letter came to the town on April 13th and he's basically saying after 40 years of private practice the last five and a half which he's serving as the Washington County probate judge he's going to phase out of private practice and devote all his time to serving as a judge so he's not retiring completely but he's not going to do anymore not going to do very much more work and what he's asking here is that or he's telling us that he has made an arrangement with Stackpole in French a law firm out of Stowe and they're going to have an office here in Waterbury where his office is and his files and his clients will be passed along to this law firm unless we as clients decide we don't want to go there many towns one town attorney we have we've never done that in the 30 years that I've been here because there are many attorneys who have better specialties than others and we use Stitzel and Page for planning and zoning and land use issues we use Paul Giuliani for Water and Sewer if you're in the village for bond council work we have used Jeff mainly has been kind of he helped with the roundabout necessity he started off on the main street project and he's done a little bit of odds and ends here and there so I just wanted to bring this to your attention my recommendation is that we allow the files that Jeff has to go to Stackpole in French the firm that he's more or less passing his practice on to he will be of council to that firm and his administrative assistant office manager is moving into that firm as well so we'll be able to access what we need here the other option is we pick up the files and then send them off to another attorney but I think I would trust his judgment as to who he wants to take his business to so unless you object we'll just let him know that's fine no motion necessary thank you I'll make a motion to adjourn is there a second second that all those approve I have to read this you might find it interesting to attend the DRB meeting of the 16