 Oh, no, I'll tell you what Sometimes I well this week specifically this week was a rough week where I wound up For whatever reason it became an issue on the morning stream Where somebody was questioning the the the political nature of some some of the conversations that we have on there and then it's kind of spread to other stuff and For the first time I've got emails like With people like very angry with me, which is different I mean, I guess it's kind of a charmed life that I haven't gotten those up till this By nature But anyway normally yeah Normally between the size of the audience and and the nature of the show I think it's kind of shielded a little bit, but there was definitely a very very long email that I got today that Referred to me in the third person because oh, yeah, you always know you always know it means business when when they refer to you Did they think they were writing someone other than you? No, no, really no, okay. No, no, no, he made a point to say I will now begin referring to you in the third This was by design I Mean I've gotten the emails from people who don't understand that it's really just me Sarah and Roger writing this Whatever in turn reads this I'm like, well, I guess we could let Amos read these but okay Yeah Then I write them back personally like hey, it was me Yeah, yeah, no, I mean there have been a few of those, you know, it's you tell Sarah blah blah blah I'm like hey Sarah here. Hey more more often than not. They're like oh, well, thank you for the response. Oh, yeah No, normally I always respond even when people are are cheesed off all I'll usually try to respond in in some kind of way because I do know that Passion very often can become like people are bound to you on some level or bound to your opinion And it just rubbed them wrong the wrong way and they wanted to read an email So it's like that's fine. I can I can dig that this one was a little excessive. Ooh Cardinals close to extending Paul Goldschmidt for five years Breaking news for the two other Cardinals fans in the audience. Oh, there's probably three There might be there's probably more than that You're angry emails we we got our our regular once once every two months Comment on YouTube saying you didn't get to the thing in the title until 15 minutes in So if we should probably do our regular explanation of the titles are not about every single thing in the show All right, nor are they the first story? No. Yeah. In fact, they rarely are opinion for the after show I Almost feel like we should do away with titles on all podcasts How do you I mean Or by date No numbers is not okay because Apple specifically does not want you to put your episode number Apple is is leading this charge of anything that can go in the metadata should not go in the title of your show The title of your show should tell people what that episode is about They know what your show is called. They can see an episode number in the episode number field We just want you to have where you going? I Justin's out. I was about to say Point and say we need to We need to get started, but I guess we'll wait. Oh Well, it was in it. It was a it was an emergency Miss Joel yesterday. Happy to be back to you. I'm glad you're back. Well, that all is well Yes, and thank you. Are you ready now Justin? Yeah, I thought that you would seem like you were No, I know at the point you got up. I felt like I was gonna be going for another five minutes. I get that I totally get that In my head though, I'm always like, you know, three lines ahead. Yeah, all right I'm ready if everyone else is Here we go Kish Milwani has supported independent tech news directly for five years You should be like Kish become a DTS member right now at patreon.com slash DT and s This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, March 21st 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from the shores of Lake Merritt. I'm Justin Robert. Yeah, and I'm the shows producer Roger Shane Justin is not mocking me. He literally does live That's an actual Lake where you used to live as well Tom You still live very close to there We have got a cornucopia of news a lot of it about Microsoft some protests some security Breaches or just mistakes will let you decide but let's start with a few other techniques. You should know Back in November Brad sands over at thorot.com reported that Maverick was the codename of an upcoming Xbox one s model That no longer includes a disk drive Windows central.com now says it has received product photographs of the console's box with the name Xbox one s all Digital edition and documentation Indicating a May 7th 2019 launch the product shot shows a one terabyte hard drive With Forza horizon 3 C of thieves and Minecraft digital codes bundled into the box as well Microsoft is updating Windows 7 with notifications that warn users that support for Windows 7 will end on January 14th 2020 after that date Windows 7 will get no more security updates and users are encouraged to upgrade to Windows 10 and Microsoft announced Microsoft Defender Advanced threat protection or ATP for Mac OS in limited preview. Yes, because it's on Mac OS It's now called Microsoft Defender not Windows Defender because it's defending Mac OS in that case Microsoft Defender ATP will add end point detection and response and threat vulnerability management capabilities in public preview next month and it will come as part of your company's Microsoft 365 Subscription so if you wanted it on your Mac OS talk to your boss or your IT manager and the enterprise Because it's not something for general consumers. All right. Let's talk a little bit more about what's going on with Nokia phones in Finland, Justin I knew you are all wondering about it And we got the goods Finland's data protection on Budsman said Thursday that he would investigate reports from public broadcaster NRK that Nokia 7 plus phones made by HMD global sent information to Chinese servers and violated data protection rules HMD global set an error in software packaging process with one batch of handsets has been fixed in February That data had never been processed No person could be identified from the data and no personal data had been shared with third party This is definitely one of those situations and you're gonna hear me say something similar in a few minutes where it's a normal process for a Phone management company, you know if HMD global does some cloud services that are pre-installed on the phones It makes under the Nokia brand to have some servers that it would connect to right and it would be It would be conceivable that there might be an error where some some data gets sent that shouldn't have been and they fix that That happens in the United States you get a bit little bit of concern about like hey What was in that data? What did you do with it? Yeah, it happens in China and suddenly in the current climate about Huawei and their networking equipment people get even more concerned So it's it's a it's honestly impossible to tell if if this is anything bigger than what HMD global says It is which is like. Oh, yeah, we know there was no third-party access A little bit of data got sent to the server that shouldn't have been and we fixed it and it's not there anymore Yeah, I mean for anybody who's like well as a consumer I'm worried about what data got shared wasn't consumer data wasn't shared with third parties. What would the data have been? I You know there's a theme running through a lot of these kinds of stories About the fact that we used to live in a world where data just flowed That was the whole point of the internet was like data is really hard to share Let's figure out how to make it share easily Yeah, and now we have a whole new generation of people who didn't come to the internet with technical Knowledge who were like well, why is that data going there? Yeah, you know, who what are you doing with it? Yeah, although I do think that this is going to be more and more of a defining question that we have to ask And in many ways it sort of mirrors how We many people who are listening to this are well aware of what targeted advertising is and how much of our data goes into various marketing companies hands But these are things that I think are like that issue was five years ago Where the people that knew knew it people that are that care about tech are going to know more and more about what? You know what what information is going where and at what point is it going there? Like that that is something that we do need to think more and more about yeah I got a few more thoughts on that. I'm gonna hold them till we talk about Facebook in a minute or two here But first the European Parliament will vote next Tuesday March 26th on a new copyright directive that includes Article 13, you know it you possibly love it requiring filtering of uploads to prevent copyright infringement and article 11 Which restricts the right to use snippets to link to new sites without paying for or otherwise obtaining permission to do So German Czech Danish and Slovak versions of Wikipedia are offline today in protest sites Such as Twitch and Bornhub have both posted banners protesting the changes And if you hang out on Reddit European Union users uploading contact to Reddit get a notice Pretending to reject the upload and then encouraging them to contact their MEP Yeah, they're a member of the European Parliament. So I This is like so Pippa was in the US several years back Where where the tech companies are trying to lead the charge to put pressure on the European Parliament to vote against these copyright Directives because they feel like even modified In the ways that they have been they will have unintended consequences now Article 11 the one about that that's often called the link tax has less heat on it than article 13 Article 13 is the one where even a lot of music publishers are against it saying We think this could actually harm our ability to share because we we we love that youtube thing Where we get to monetize somebody else's upload and we don't want to fall afoul of that Yeah, I mean we are at a point now where that is a line item on a budget where you can say okay? We understand that we make X amount of money from being able to monetize that, you know if we're to use the example of the you know the baby video with Prince in the background that The rights holder to that music now can make that money Man, this is this is definitely a tough one because you would assume that this is you know The kind of thing that happens in the European Union or one of the member countries One of these things is gonna happen. What what one of what one of these? Laws are going to go into effect. We're gonna actually see the rubber at the road But whether or not it's article 13 It's see it seems like well I mean the copyright directive is is probably gonna happen But I guess what you're saying is even if the copyright directive somehow doesn't pass Some other version of this whether it's in Europe or somewhere else is gonna happen and spoiler alert. It'll be Europe because that's It is an interesting question because this copyright directive is like a zombie right it keeps It keeps getting back up and shambling forward under the pure willpower of its sponsors And a lot of European members feel pressure from some pretty significant interest to vote in favor of it I would find it very surprising if this does not pass But so Pippa didn't pass because of the kind of public pressure that's being put on here So I don't think it's impossible that it gets rejected But like you say if it gets rejected, I don't think that's the end of it I think we see them go back to the drawing board and try again With different language the the idea is that tech companies need to take more responsibility For the uploads the the counter argument is if you make everyone Responsible for the uploads of the users that's gonna benefit the biggest companies who have the amount of resources to be able To put filters in place and fight legal challenges Versus the little folks who'll be like, you know what I I can't deal with that I'll be honest I turned off comments on daily tech news show comm in part because I just didn't want to have to deal with GDPR Things and and I know we cut off a couple of people But there weren't as many people using it and so feedback through email is just a safer way for me to do that Yeah, you know The the other element here in terms of fighting back against it is that with so but Pippa We were at a different place in terms of the poly in terms of politics understanding tech We're in a bunch of you know, YouTube can do a thing and and Facebook can do a thing And they can all tell you to call your congressperson and that is what it is now that we understand These companies a lot more and sometimes we have taken adversarial position positions against them And I would argue the companies have changed too. Yeah now now. It's not the internet is in revolt It's Google's in revolt Facebook Reddits in revolt and that's a less powerful argument All right Krebs on security reported and Facebook then confirmed that Facebook Stored passwords for hundreds of millions of users in plain text going back as far as 2012 accessible internally to By some estimates of Krebs sources up to 20,000 Facebook employees With certainly 2,000 employees at least Being able to make nine million internal queries on the database that contained the passwords That doesn't mean they were looking for the passwords It's also not as bad as it sounds Facebook's user passwords are protected with encryption. They're hashed. They're salted but Some employee built apps were logging passwords as plain text on internal servers in multiple ways Sometimes as part of crash and debug logs for instance now that in itself The network admins out there already know like yeah, okay, that's that's normal You can have crash logs Catch a password in transit And it might be decrypted because they do have to be decrypted at some point, right? So that's not the problem why the logs were retained as long as they were possibly up to seven years And why this data was never noticed is the issue Facebook confirmed That this happened in a blog post Thursday title keeping passwords secure Said that the company identified the problem in January as part of an internal security review Then fixed the issue and promises to notify anyone and affected They don't think you need to change your password, although I personally would encourage you to change your password in this case if you are Notified that you were affected because Facebook says it has no evidence that employees misused access to the data But if you want to be extra sure well just change it. However This is both not as bad as it looks and pretty bad It's not as bad as it looks because it's not Facebook was storing passwords without encryption It is as bad as it looks because they weren't doing the security audits That would have caught that these logs were sticking around when they shouldn't have been Although I guess you could say they weren't but now they are because it was a Facebook security audit that found it So I don't know where you stand on this Justin Facebook was really not very good and now maybe it's better I don't know I Think the reason why this story is getting the traction that it has is because Facebook being punished Facebook being bad is a narrative that of you know is you know, how we understand them right now You know that specifically in the tech press This specific instance, I think you've spelled out very very clearly is not exactly the end of the world You know, it's a bad thing. It's not shocking that Something like this at a company that size slips through the cracks. It's bad that it did They should notify everybody and I'm gonna go even further than Tom If yes, if you are identified, please change your password if you were not identified Go ahead and change your password It's a strong and secure and you're not pinging it to one two three four five that you are Safer for doing don't change it to one you already use somewhere else I'll add and then I'll get in line behind Justin and say yeah, he's right everybody change your path We should all have changed your password day congratulations March 21st now Actually, I mean For no reason that's stupid do turn on to second factor authentication though that It might be overly paranoid, I don't know if it's Stupid to change your password for no reason does not increase your security and then and NIST even agrees now Forcing people to change their passwords actually makes you less secure because then they keep using the same passwords to make them easier to remember Is why I would say it was stupid anyway, but that's that's getting off our point here I see Justin's point about the fact that Facebook is yeah, the narrative is very much now like oh Facebook That's another data problem, you know, everybody should be worried. Oh, this you know, they're too big. They're too terrible Okay, I get that I get why this story would outrage some folks But as you mentioned Tom, most of this is internal if you worry that people working within Facebook of which there are many thousands of people Might have some nefarious Ideas about what to do with with plain text passwords then yes, that would be cause for concern It doesn't seem to me that for the most part This is going to result in in any real You know a ripple in in any actual data within People's lives that use Facebook. Well, and that's the thing right the reason passwords are encrypted salted and hashed So that the company itself can't see them is so that you don't have to worry about some rogue employee You know grabbing your password and distributing it Yeah, that would be that would be horrible Right and this makes it slightly more possible that a rogue employee could have it doesn't seem like they did and at least they Caught the fact that it was there and I think what Facebook's trying to intimate is we caught it before Anybody nefarious who would have taken advantage could have because they didn't know it was there either If someone in internally had known that these passwords were sitting around we would have discovered this fact seven years ago The New York Times Report and look I'm gonna tell everybody I keep your head on a swivel with this one because we got newspapers reporting on newspapers Yeah, the newspapers the New York Times reports that Apple has made a deal with the Wall Street Journal for its news is new news service and Sources say the agreement will be announced at Apple's March 25th event Apple hopes having Apple news pre-installed on iPhones and iPads will convince media outlets to join their Service and gain new audiences the New York Times and the Washington Post have both Reportedly not joined the service which has Apple taking 50% of revenue and unlimited access to publisher content Wall Street Journal if this is if this report bears out is a good get They're that is a compelling one. Yeah The New York Times and the Washington Post would also be good gets And that yeah that the Wall Street Journal seems to have Come to a good agreement with Apple where it's Most respected peers have not It's funny to me that and and you know jump in if I'm crazy But when you think of things like new podcasts and and you know All of the things that something like the IOS ecosystem can can can let us all enjoy where previously we had not The New York Times the Wall Street Journal the Washington Post don't really come to mind I don't totally believe that Apple saying hey I mean if you're on our new subscription service, you're gonna get a lot more people that would be reading That wouldn't have been reading your publication. Otherwise. I Don't know how many Wall Street Journal users are going to sign up because of this, but maybe I'm crazy I think you're crazy. I really do Yeah, I think you're going to get a lot more people in the Wall Street Journal World that wouldn't have because they're like, oh, I'm an Apple user I'll never pay independently for a Wall Street Journal service But I'll pay $10 a month for an Apple service that gives me news from all these sources Including the Wall Street Journal because it's not just about the Wall Street Journal The reason the Times and the Post have not joined is they don't want to give Apple that much control over their subscribers So I'm curious why the Wall Street Journal came to that decision I also wonder whether or not the deal is the same Because the Wall Street Journal the Washington Post and the New York Times have all one thing in common They have built fairly robust paywall business models. What the Wall Street Journal did it first They they were fairly early in the game and with a lot less fanfare just said Congratulations now, there's a paywall and and there's a reason why there are clever hacks to kind of get around it Or you can come familiar with ways that you can find the stories that they've syndicated but the New York Times and the Washington Post have fairly recently had big highs because Largely behind their political coverage and this being a very politically dialed in age that we are in I think for them for for the New York Times the Washington Post This is more of a question of like well that we want to give this up now Like that deal is probably going to be there forever They can make the decision now or do they continue to take you know, the the lion's share of their subscriber money for themselves Because I I think this follows the pattern of Yeah, Apple didn't have all the music companies on board when it first launched iTunes But eventually they all followed in line Apple didn't have all the TV and movie companies on board when they added video to iTunes, but then they Okay, so and I know I'm crazy But that goes back to my original point of like yeah But that was sort of an unproven model that people are like well, you know, how's this all work the idea of reading Old Old guard news articles is not new and Apple wanting to to to Bundle this into something that it considers new but Doesn't actually make anything and I will almost bet you money that this is going to be their selling point on this service is Be done with the countdown be done with the I only get to read the first two sentences And then the rest of it is faded and grayed out that that is in the past if you now have Journalism directly through Apple will be giving them money will take 50% But we'll give the rest Move it on to Oslo Norway, which plans to become the first city to install wireless charging systems for electric taxis Induction charging place will be put in the road at taxi ranks The city of Oslo will work with Finnish utility Fortum and US company at Momentum Dynamics on the project Oslo will also require all taxis to be zero omission by 2023 and one-third of new cars sold in Norway last year. We're already electric Yeah, so they're they're really pushing electric cars in Norway There isn't a really strong oil and gas lobby there So it gives them a little more freedom to move with that without feeling that pressure But I still I'm like is this gonna work? I mean, I don't know how well these induction plates work Let's assume they work great and they'll keep the taxis charged because that's my first wonder is like Will they actually keep the taxis charged or will be will there be complaints about that? I don't know how well proven this model is But even if so Do you spend enough time in the taxi ranks? You know, I again, maybe I just don't know enough about Oslo but I feel like I feel like there might be this might work more as a Psychological solution where taxi drivers who are resistant to Transitioning to the electric cars will feel a little better about it even though it might not be totally necessary Norwegian cabbies, please email the show and tell her In the ranks you love it. Do you hate it? Yes feedback New show calm nor region taxi drivers only no other person actually Oslo taxi drivers particularly Yeah, this is pretty cool though. I love the idea Yeah, I mean honestly when I read this article was like, what is the downside if you don't charge wirelessly then you don't Oh, I mean that the downsize you need it then great I think yeah, if it's just topping people off while they wait for a fair then Kings to them the downside is they spend a ton of money and it just doesn't work at all and it's a total boondog That they're they're throwing out there as a carrot for Everybody obeying the stick of it's go all taxies need to be zero emission in you know by 2023 anyway Yeah, yeah, I don't know man They who knows maybe the the the positive side of me says this could make it all take off Maybe all roads will have these in them at all times in the future The most picture association of America, you know it is the MPAA Reported the world market for entertainment So the MPAA defines entertainment for their purposes as both home and theater viewing of movies and TV shows The world market for entertainment grew 9% in 2018 to a total of ninety six point eight billion dollars Digital home entertainment drove that growth worldwide digital sales grew 34% physical releases dropped 14% Streaming video subscriptions grew twenty seven percent to six hundred thirteen point three million again worldwide Passing cable for the first time more people subscribe to video subscriptions worldwide 613.3 million then subscribe to cable which is 556 million down to percent now cable still brought in more money at six point two billion dollars And yes, there's too much to watch Since 2014 scripted dramas have grown by 28% to 496 scripted dramas in 2018 if you add daytime dramas children shows and reality shows or unscripted television you get a 1,620 new programs in 2018 Now let's talk about theater revenue at theater box offices grew 1% worldwide So it's essentially revenue for movie going as flat But spending in Europe the Middle East and Africa dropped While spending rows in the US Canada and China offsetting the drop elsewhere So there's some arguments to be made that oh, maybe maybe us and China are the leading indicators of movies booming And you just need to to spend a little more attention on these other markets You know that the thing that jumped out at me the most was 1% of a bump at revenue and theater box offices Which as you mentioned Tom is more or less flat, but it's not going down and I would have thought it would have Wait, why would you have thought it had gone down? Because everybody has so many more options to watch stuff within the comfort of their own home There's so much screaming about the 90-day window and if we keep letting people watch these movies at home They'll never come to the theater Netflix out of the Oscars, etc. etc. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think obviously this is a transitive time for theaters in general, but it is a great time to be making entertainment and I have some catching up to do for those 1,620 programs that I'm sure I'm All those daytime dramas. I know the next time someone tells you you have to watch whatever Just come back to them with there were a thousand six hundred twenty new programs last year. I can't watch them all Or just short short form just go 1620 and walk away. Yeah, I make sure you make sure you say that to your farewell You're driving them around charging your phone. Hey folks. Oh, could the charge your phone too? You're in Oslo. Yeah, only if you throw it out of your moving car now. 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Who'd for thought maybe this isn't the time to invest in those RTX cards if the rendering is no longer done locally? this is a great question and as As positive as I am on the possibility of the success of these game streaming platforms I also do not think it's going to get rid of or Possibly even reduce the market for people building super high performance gaming PCs and the reason I say that is No, not everyone builds their own gaming PC right now and the people who are most stringently against these streaming Platforms seem to be the people who want to build their own gaming PCs and will continue to do so And I don't see gaming changing so much that they they make it impossible for you to use Your own gaming PC to play your games locally For no other reason than eSports exists and there's going to be have to be some mechanism For players to to train up into those ranks. So yeah, I I think that continues to be a strong segment of the populace where we're streaming is going to steal from is probably more often consoles Or people who just don't feel like they can game on the equipment they have Yeah, I totally agree the one question that I do have on the streaming services Tom Consistently, who are who rank among the most hated companies in America? Comcast yeah telcos. So yeah putting your product the middleman on that will be a local telco that is Bringing the service into somebody's okay, so but you could apply that same argument to Netflix Netflix does not require that does not your enjoyment of Netflix unless it is not able to stream the product in a Timely manner does not depend on one second of okay Well, I go back to Patrick Beja and all the people who have Nvidia shields who wrote in Who all say your concerns about that are overblown? I've actually used these services and They generally work pretty well Yeah, generally, I'm okay. Yeah, you part parse me. I'm speaking on their behalf I'm all I'm saying that it is I telcos have a bad. I mean you could you could say that about the entire internet like anything you do on the internet is in The hands of the telcos already The strawman argument Technically we straw men because I'm playing all the telcos but It's a straw people argument Yeah, oh no it is totally We also got some feedback I'm glad Justin was able to bring that point of view that many of you had into the show And we also got some feedback on the epic games conversation that Scott and I had yesterday a few people Contacted us in multiple formats saying they thought we didn't give enough attention to a couple of issues They have with the epic games store in particular one epic exclusives Scott said exclusives have been part of gaming forever and just you know sort of skipped over that that point because of that But a lot of people think that it deserved more time that people think that Exclusives are harmful to the gaming community and that yes epic isn't the only one to do exclusives But then also doing exclusives isn't helping the problem and number two epics stance on not accepting all kinds of games Many folks much prefer Steams approach over epics more restrictive one because they think epics Approaches suppressive to free ideas. 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I mean it is really coming down Yeah, it was coming down Well, it's funny is it rained a little bit this morning then it lightened up and the Sun came out And then folks were out doing the you know leaf blowing and lawn mowing and stuff Yeah, and then suddenly there was a huge thunder clap and everybody was scattering Unexpected because it just started pouring at that point. I had to go comfort the dogs They were not they were not okay with that with that thunder. Yeah. Oh, this is not thrilled about thunder either But we didn't have any I mean we we were sort of out and about You know off and on all morning it was ominous looking, but I didn't realize it was going to rain this hard Well my mom is coming into town tomorrow and she'll be here through the weekend and it's like Yeah, I have all these hikes planned and it's like mmm. It's muddy Hmm, which it wouldn't have rained Well, it's honestly it hasn't rained enough to make make it muddy in my area here So I'm actually no I'm looking at the weather and not only are we getting rain tomorrow We are getting rain all through next week. Oh Gee you rose All right title lies just say 1620 and walk away Tom thinks Sarah is crazy. Sarah agrees I know you didn't agree. No, I I agreed one time. Yeah, Justin agreed The internet is in revolt Apple news news Oslo taxidermis, please email the show. I don't know if we need to put that in the title Please do Mmm-hmm make your password password. No, don't do that But if you make it password of the capital P, you're fine, you know, no make it password with a four for the a Make it eat make it only say that's right 123 yeah Leet speak that password no one will ever know I Like the internet is in revolt actually I I think that's good, and I think it's accurate it is Yeah, some of it anyway is in revolt. We have a couple we set it on the show Yeah, yeah, now if we were to get I want to circle back to this idea that Justin said about getting rid of titles Yeah, we got rid of titles to podcast episodes. What would you put in the title field? All right, well, let me let me clarify this a little bit I don't know where it began But certainly our no manclature that I think is very popular on the internet of The title has to be a line from the show or a joke from the show or Chat a very clever reference. Yeah, you know It goes back to me. I believe that started with a podcast called buzz out loud. You invented it for the rest of the internet But I realized I mean, I do to be honest. I'm joking, but I don't know of it I don't know. I don't think we did but yeah, but we did do that. I will say this It is great for fan engagement. I think it is terrible for what We theoretically need titles for which is finding the episode that you were thinking of that one time where the thing got said, right? it's a very often it feels at its best at its most indulgent like right after we've done the show and I am I am more in favor of literally just like Having the new thing just be Nokia 7 plus Investigation comma European Parliament I see I see Yeah Searching like very boring and it's not fun. There's no Wave to showcase the amazingly creative and beautiful audience. So it is not popular But oftentimes when I'm trying to find an old episode, I'm like, oh, was that I don't know with it Was I on the the Saras got a silly hat episode or was it A Cab driver and his lonely induction plate like I Like that was my favorite JK rolling though Sarah's got a silly hat Oslo taxi driver induction plates No, that's more of a Anderson movie For a podcast like DTNS. I honestly think that like the date is the most important but Volume where you're like, is that a you know, like I do that with the daily show or I'm like did I miss this episode? Have I seen this episode, you know, because there's so many So there is that the one thing I'll say about the iTunes approach where they're trying to get people to stop putting that stuff in the Title is the date is already there And every podcast app uses it the episode number one Apple's like well, we use it I'm like, yeah, but not every podcast app uses it, but all right I guess the episode number is a terribly useful anyway for a lot of people So I'm okay leaving that for me out But the title itself the reason I think it buzz out loud anyway that we started doing the like Let's come up with the funny title was because we didn't think it mattered. Yeah, like everybody No, but you know, SEO isn't gonna you nobody's gonna start listening to our podcast simply because we gave them a SEO optimized Podcast title so let's have some fun with it and that's kind of been that's out of inertia the way we do it now The Apple the Apple perspective is that people will be going through the podcast app and see an episode title and think Oh, I would like to hear about that and tap on I don't know how true that is but that's there That's their point of view such a weird thing Apple has given so few Cares to podcasting. It's such a weird hill for them to to die Well, you know, what's funny too is that so I'm working with somebody on an upcoming podcast. I'll talk about it once it launches, but she is She's not a she's not a tech nerd, you know So so I'm sort of like alright these are the things that we're going to need for iTunes like it's just the way that it goes I've done this a million times and you know iTunes wants things like the title a summary and then an extended Description of the podcast which is you know, it's just like general SEO stuff not not hard to do But she was like, why do I need a summary? I was like, I don't know. That's just Yeah, like the summary is like like the worst part of it because you don't really like describe anything It's all in the description. She's like, okay. I guess I'll do that So, yeah, I mean to your point Justin There are a lot of things about the podcast experience on iTunes, which is like you have to be on iTunes But at this time, it's it's like half baked half the time Yeah It is weird. It is weird. I don't The and this all started because I was talking about somebody, you know They were the recurring theme of someone finding our YouTube video and complaining that we didn't get to the topic That was in the title until you know 15 minutes into the video I think that's that's a particular YouTube Sir now on YouTube the the norm is I give you a five to ten minute video that is about exactly the thing in the title because I have SEO Optimized this title all to hell to make sure that it catches you and delivers exactly what it says We're definitely not following that. So I think that's why we get that. I agree Justin and your baby photos. Oh, yeah, we do Well, we're yeah, we only got a few more minutes of video here Let's see Justin and and and Tom and Roger and I were we're sharing a bunch of photos before Many of you connected on video and and it's a real shame because they were so cute Is there nothing in this album? Pulled a photo album off and there's there's it like absolutely nothing in it All fell out. Here we go. I'm just seeing you Oh be on on what I'm going to I don't know how many tricycles I would have had before that Hope John Paul the first well that that is odd Why oh That's a little Justin. Hello. That's a little guy. I was in third grade pull it back Just a little bit so focuses on the picture Oh And Justin still has that tricycle of yours Tom you were dressed as the Pope for Halloween. No, no, that was actually a That was actually Pope John Paul the first. Oh Album here is me holding my second place math counts competition trophy. Oh, yeah That's you on that far right Look, I'm not wearing the cardinal shirt in this picture. You are not. No shockingly. They pride you out of it. Yeah That's awesome. Yeah, that's me right right on the right. In fact that trophy is right Can't see it can't see it too high right here. There it is. Oh Oh Wait, wait, no, no hold it up. Hold it up. Yeah regional math counts competition 1984 Wow math counts. That's cool. It is. Yeah Was that like science Olympiad or academic Catholic? It's like math counts Like you know math you're counting exact any of this time one two three four It's place overall at the Southern Illinois University Edwardsville competition Mmm, that's a metal to me And then on the back for sale antique German wall clock about three feet tall excellent condition very good looking Vienna style clock $300 What's a Vienna style clock? I don't know comes with a little sausage in very good looking for sale 1979 Ford pickup perfect condition $4,700. All right. This one's pretty adorable. Here we go This is me in a little suit. I Remember was for Easter, but I can't remember what year but sitting on my mom's lap Are you in a cave? You know, I forget where this Big brunch like for Easter underground. No, it wasn't that it was like here because there's another picture of me Being very smiley on a fake turtle with a snake on it. Oh, it sounds like a Creation myth I Mean Justin was a very adorable child. You really work on us. Yeah. Yeah a real looker. I was uh, where's the opposite of that? me as Tom Sawyer in the junior high school musical Tom Sawyer, oh Oh fence and all Dopes to paint a fence for you. That's right. Oh, man. You're the lead. I was Tom Sawyer. Yeah Do you remember like do you remember feeling like pleased with your performance? I was pleased because I got to kiss two girls And he liked it Photo evidence That's that's a real kiss Sure looks looks convincing no looks looks like a kiss to me Don't touch my lips Tom Yeah, I know I was in school plays as a kid, but I never kissed anybody. I was like the cowardly lion Carly line kiss anybody you just roared Well, the Carly lion cries more than he roars, but yeah, it was not a Fun way for me to kiss boys Well folks now that you know the least fun ways to kiss boys We're gonna let the video folks go audio folks stick around for the least fun ways to get good I don't know stick around