 Me Roger is he cutting out for you? All right a little bit. Oh What is happening? Just a second No Because it's something of the Finnish news. When did it start cutting out? Kind of when you I mean when I joined yeah, but I thought it then it stopped for a while But it just happened again. Okay Kind of sounds like Wi-Fi issues, but Well, yeah, I am Wi-Fi connected, but I always am It's a pretty strong connection and pretty fast I mean, I'm very close to the Wi-Fi network. Is it still doing it or no? It's been fine since we mentioned it. Okay, because that's how it works It's just like a car my car does this and you bring the mechanic is not doing it. It's It's it makes that noise when I when I'm in third gear and Oh, that's just your wife grumbling You didn't like my carbonara, I love I love food. I love eating me. Yeah, I should have done it before the show Being way too much. It's kind of like one of my only comforts now that I have a baby But it's not an excuse As you get older and all the things that used to delight you when you were younger lose their luster food sticks around It's ridiculous Like there was all sorts of things that would have been like I would have gone monkeys over when I was younger and it's like I'll have a sandwich. There's a new Power Rangers like I don't care Well, I still get pretty excited about a new Marvel movie But you know, what's better than a Marvel movie? What a Marvel movie with a chocolate bar in your hand. That's even better You know, I don't like eating during movies. That's my I have a thing. I can't Popcorn during a movie I don't eat popcorn at home, but at the theater I always do hmm Well, that's because you're a nice person who's kind of helping out the theaters that need the revenue from Want them to go out of business. That's really just a nice gesture So For the show, do you want to read or do you want to I can play The intro with a with us a patron patron intro Sarah up to you Let's do a patron intro, okay, and then we'll just have you read tomorrow. Yeah, I'll cover the week Okay All right So we're coming and so I'll start at 30 everyone ready Yes, yes absolutely everyone recording and all that I'm recording. Oh, I'm recording now. I'm recording. There you go three to Only you can keep the daily tech news show independent to find out more go to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Tuesday in May 22nd 2018 Tom Merritt is out this week from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from the Finnish headquarters in Finland You're like Anything looks any different for those on video. I've been working on my studio all weekend So good updates to come on that Producer Roger Chang. I don't know if you've done any updating on your studio setup, but no, I changed the sheets this weekend It's always important. No one's so asleep and left over whatever that you Just go on with the show before it gets very Too graphic. All right moving on let's talk about some tech things you should know Sources tell the Wall Street Journal and Reuters that the US may strike a deal to lift its ban on US firm supplying parts to ZTE as you probably recall ZTE was given a seven-year ban back in April Which hampered its operations in a big way as part of the deal China could remove tariffs on imported US agricultural products and agree to buy more American farm goods I'm not sure I understand what's happening there, but a trade deal Maybe maybe it was a very smart clever move Maybe Microsoft and Google disclosed a new CPU security vulnerability They keep coming it seems similar to meltdown and specter. It's called speculative store bypass Variant 4 and affects modern CPUs Intel has started rolling out updates to OEMs with broader availability in the coming weeks And something that Patrick was watching earlier today Mark Zuckerberg appeared before the European Parliament today members of the Parliament asked the CEO pointed questions about regulation competition taxes security disinformation and Privacy and so on the format of the hearing allowed Zuckerberg only a few minutes to answer a lot of questions And they asked them in a row and he answered everything at the end. So it felt a little bit disjointed I wasn't I thought there were some interesting parts of the US hearing and I think some of the questions and some of the Representatives were pretty well versed in the important parts of the business I didn't quite feel that way with the you one. I was a little bit disappointed a lot disappointed I might have wanted to flip my table at some point or hit people with fish and stuff Well, you know now you know how Patrick feels let's talk a little bit more about Instagram Instagram added a mute feature So you can stop seeing photos in your feed Let's say somebody's annoying or otherwise you don't want to see their photos But you don't have to unfollow the user Instagram said that it added the feature to make you feel more personalized Blah blah blah we've also heard it may be a useful tool for managing complex social dynamics a reptile buzzfeed I Would say so probably with Instagram So after you meet somebody in the feed you can still see their DMs You can DM each other and you can still look at their photos if you go directly to their profile page Not unlike what I do with tweetbot Hmm. Well, I think you can can you mute people on Twitter? Wait, I thought you could no, I guess you can well See, I don't use the actual any Twitter client. I use tweetbot and I believe you're right I believe where now off from that and Facebook also offers something similar where you can unfollow somebody But you're still friends. Oh, there's no kind of hmm, you know a rift between people It's kind of I mean we say that every time one of these apps adds one of the features that the other ones have But really Instagram is turning into a genuine real social network It feels like not just it's not just about sharing Pictures anymore, even though that's obviously the primary way of doing it But muting someone do you really mute someone if you don't I guess you don't want to see their pictures, but Maybe you don't want to see their pictures, but you don't want to be rude, right? It's some sort of passive aggressive like half solution the thing about Instagram that I've always I don't know I know you can figure out who's following you if you're like scrolling through, you know Who follows you and and who other people follow? But that's a cumbersome process, especially if you're you know above like a couple hundred people So I've never I don't know. I mean maybe a lot of people are getting really bent out of shape about being unfollowed on Instagram Oh, it's possible. Yeah, and but then you have to act like you know what they posted like if they speak to you They're like, oh, hey, you know that picture I posted last last week and you say, oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely That picture with the things in the photo absolutely. Yeah, I was just saying, oh, no the new algorithm I don't see anybody. I'm so sorry All right, well Comcast announced its own Wi-Fi extender devices called x5 pods that helped boost Wi-Fi signals throughout the home Comcast licensed the technology from mesh router maker plume Which Comcast invested in last year and then built its own hardware plumes pods were initially available in limited Markets including Boston, Chicago and Denver today on plumes website a pack of six is $329 but Comcast's pack of six is $199 how Amazon of them, huh? I mean so Comcast invests in plume Licenses technology kind of you know does a little stuff on there on their end and now undercuts plume by quite a big margin Is that you think something they didn't discuss with plume? I don't know what I do know is that people say that If you're in you know, especially if you're in a house where there's I don't know You have multiple floors or it's very wide You know you might have Wi-Fi issues and the idea behind these pods are to plug in a bunch of them and little Electrical outlets throughout the home so that you have a very short distance of better Wi-Fi. I love that It's it's a clever approach to mesh networking You don't have like two or three big satellites You have a bunch of tiny little things that you plug into the the socket. It's it's pretty clever I wonder if you can use Comcast's It's X-Fi even if you're not on Comcast. I guess you can But then it's a really interesting solution for a good price. I suppose What? Yeah, that's a good question. I know that plume hardware and Comcast Internet software work in tandem But it sounds like Comcast is like well, you know, we'll just make our own and maybe you know Can you go at a Comcast store website and buy a six pack and then use it for your own network? I guess you maybe you can I don't know that's a interesting question We will follow up tomorrow Speaking of Comcast, this is actually some bad news for Comcast Kind of terrible news actually a bug in Comcast website a specific website used to activate Xfinity routers can be tricked into displaying the home address where the router is located also the Wi-Fi name and Also the Wi-Fi password The researchers who discovered the bug said only a customer ID and the customer's house or apartment number is needed That could be something you could find in a discarded bill or in an email Comcast has removed the option from its website for now Well, it's it went well. They were aware of the they were made aware of the issue They removed it. That's how it should work, right? Well, but I mean, isn't it sort of well, you know, it's it was a website specifically dedicated to activate Activate routers, right and now somebody who was if they wanted to aren't so inclined and you know Good enough of a sneak could get a lot of information about where you live Your Wi-Fi password. I mean those that's you know, that's I know I know But I mean, you know any time I see one of those stories and I see people getting bent out of shape Because someone obviously make a dumb mistake when coding the website. I tend to think sure it's silly it shouldn't have happened but When who has never made one mistake like this, you know when in your work and most of the time you you kind of No one notices or like, oh, okay. Well, never mind. I'll fix it. I fixed it and it's fine, but I I'm sorry. Oh, I just wanted to jump in here I think part of the the issue is that considering all the customer data breaches you would imagine especially a company That as one of its core business models is to sell internet Connection service should be a little more cognizant and a little more careful about Things like websites that aren't secure or perhaps leaking customer information and well, it's well the thing is You're right. It's it's not necessarily like the worst thing to happen, but It could definitely, you know, well, if you know anything about Comcast It generally has a pretty high under favorability rating in certain regions of the country It already gets adds a negative Perception to the company that hey if you can't take care of the small stuff granted It's it's not major like your social security number credit card number But it is, you know, it is part and parcel of your home your your router password, you know your router ID I Know I Mean I understand but I'm not saying oh, it's fine. No, you know, it's it's not a problem at all I'm just saying if you I'm guessing they do worry about these things they do Especially with the data breaches that have been happening in the recent months and the focus that has been on them I'm pretty sure they they I'm hoping they went and and tried to make sure everything was in order and This must have slipped through the cracks sometimes things slip through the cracks And I'm just saying, you know, he who has never made a mistake throw the first stone I don't think a lot of stone would be thrown in the world, but well, sure I mean, yeah, of course Comcast didn't do this on purpose But if somebody's like right outside my house and they know where I live and they can get my signal because they have my Information, I mean at the very least even if they weren't stealing anything besides that don't steal my Wi-Fi It's just a lot of ifs a Roger seems unsatisfied I I have a personal Full disclosure I have a personal beef with Comcast because I used to use them as my broadband provider will not go into a long story, but We have history Understandable All right epic games announced it will put up a hundred million dollars of prize money for the 2018 2019 Season of fortnight competitions the same block in the same blog post On epic game site ads we're getting behind competitive play in a big way, but our approach will be different We plan to be more inclusive and focus on the joy of playing and watching the game Stay tuned for more details about competitive structures and eligible platforms in the weeks ahead 100 million dollars my goodness. I mean who wouldn't have fun if that was golly gee Wow, so Patrick how much have you played fortnight? What is your opinion on its extreme popularity? It's a good game. I've played a little bit. I haven't played a lot It's a good game that benefited from mostly from the fact that it was free to play available on old platforms and Incredible popularity with the kids if you don't know what fortnight is ask your 10 year old They will know believe me. That is all they can think about all day We might actually do something in talking about this in a little bit I'll more details for DTMS lab stuff possibly But yeah fortnight is very very popular. It's a good game Excellently crafted and this hundred million it's not unheard of these kinds of numbers have been seen in some other games But it's certainly up there and especially for a game that really just blew up now it blew up maybe six months ago and a little bit more And already they're they're putting up a hundred million This makes you wonder how much they're making every day if that kind of money is something they can throw around for competitions Well, if memory serves we talked about fortnight after it came to iOS Raking in something like 50 million dollars in a couple of weeks in a couple Yeah, the first couple of weeks and it's coming to Android as the summer so Clearly they're making a lot of money. It's very very popular I would love to know what competitive gaming and being inclusive and Focusing on the joy of playing is different than other competitive gaming structures. We've seen before It's an interesting choice of words, I'm very curious as well the thing is for most e-sports you have a clear narrative that can develop and that is easy to watch or relatively easy to watch you have, you know Two teams one against another two players one against another The games are really relatively understandable blue has to kill Red etc etc in fortnight the battle royale game mode is a hundred players get dropped in and then the last survivor wins and In order to make that into an e-sports It's a little bit more challenging like where do you get like do you get a hundred people in the arena in a sports arena and Film them and do you follow one player on camera for the people who are viewing? But then that player dies after 20 minutes, and you don't know what the other ones have been doing and how they've been progressing It's it's a little bit complicated So I'm guessing it might have to do with that like let's focus on the joy of playing meaning we're gonna be watching everyone It's not gonna be necessarily like the last person wins. Yes, that's gonna be important, but not the only focus Epic games this will be fun. This will be fun hundred million. I mean that is some of the biggest prize money I've ever heard. Yeah, I think though that Dota 2, but yeah, yeah Sorry No, I was just saying usually it's well under a hundred million like a few dozen millions is already a huge amount Yeah, exactly Amazon is providing facial recognition technology to law enforcement in both Oregon and Orlando, Florida According to documents obtained by the ACLU through a Freedom of Information Act request Amazon said to be advertising and selling this product It's called recognition recognition with a K to law enforcement agencies for a very low price The ACLU and several civil rights organizations have submitted an open letter to Amazon asking the company to stop Arguing that mass surveillance could disproportionately affect vulnerable communities Hmm. I wonder what's in it for Amazon Well, I mean Playing nice with the government getting data from the the the the things their Facial recognition Patrick really because it's like okay Well, there's technology Amazon, you know if you're offering at a low price to certain organizations that are finding it valuable And you want it to you know scale, okay understood, but specifically law enforcement is Slightly odd they might want to use it as kind of a test bed to develop the face recognition software further so you remember the scene from What was the movie with Tom Cruise pre-crime Minority report my note report. There's a point where he's walking through And he has someone else's search eyes surgically implanted and he starts getting all these customized ads Targeted as he walks by these electronic billboards. They could want to do something like that or They could have a drone delivery service that can drop things directly to you like. Oh, I ordered a sandwich My you know, I'm Sarah Lane. I will be sitting on the on the front of you know my building You sit there just drones And just hands you know, I mean it's it's not that far off You know, I mean, there's a couple of stories here one is kind of the intersection between the desire to have law enforcement with these body camps as a way to kind of Have a check on There, you know, they're their behavior, right? Like, you know, you just can't go willy-nilly do things without us knowing about on the other hand it off also opens up and widens the divide because typically Underserved or marginalized communities are more likely to interface with police in the same way that I'm not it's probably not a thing in Europe and the US. It's kind of big five six years ago There was a lot of complaints about some community setting up Basically sound sensors in their neighborhood so they could triangulate where gunshots were coming from right so they could sermon Oh, you know instead of just saying I heard a gunshot in the neighborhood They knew where it came from and the police could have additional information But a lot of civil liberties organizations including the ACLU said that that was a violation of privacy By having all that information I think we're coming to a point and it just just goes beyond but a general discussion with technology is we're coming To the point where technology can do all these things that invade our privacy But also offer benefit to the public Where do those lines get crossed? Where are those boundaries between what's for the public good versus the individual right? And I think we're probably going to see more of these issues crop up over time as a lot of this tech technology Matures into something that a lot of companies can use and a commercial basis Nothing to add absolutely No, it's true It's it's a proof of concept in law enforcement is obviously very important Obviously, you know if it works quite well then Amazon can feel confident that facial recognition is is good in its technology However, you're right. There are a lot of other use cases for this Just slightly curious that this is how it's coming to light To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes or less subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com all right Patrick and Roger the ps4 is supposedly in its final phase of its life cycle So what do we think about the fact that all right? Let's let's give it a little background So an investor relations call a Sony interactive entertainment president and CEO John to Shu key Kodera Thank you So that the ps4 was entering its final phase of its life cycle a Wall Street Journal tech reporter tweeted that Kodera also Told analysts and investors that the period until March 2021 Would be when PlayStation is to crouch down once to grow further in the future Well, I mean, you know reading the tea leaves here It sounds like the PlayStation 4 is a wildly successful console So why would they be winding it down if they could still sell a lot of units? Well, the thing is they probably can sell a few more units I mean, they're almost at 80 million right now I mean you first of all you have to wonder if that choice of word was absolutely deliberate Which it probably was but there's a tiny chance it it wasn't Intention intended to be scrutinized that heavily it seems unlikely because they would know that people are going to be listening to the Cole and interpreting everything but still there's a possibility there The thing is every console Generation has a life cycle and when he says Entering the what's the exact wording entering the final phase of its life cycle It could be the third phase that is going to take, you know, three or four years The console has been out for five. So it wouldn't be unlikely that it would still have a good Chunk of time in it But it's still not in it, you know, it's not in its prime It's getting to a point where better technology is coming out And you could probably make a better console for a cheap enough price that people would buy it again It's it's, you know, there used to be When this console generation launched in 2013 roughly People some people were predicting that it wouldn't Work out that people didn't want dedicated game consoles in the home And that mobile was it now and that consoles were going away and so this one was probably going to be fledgling And it would not see a sequel kind of a follow-up with other consoles I don't think that has Panned out like that. The consoles are quite successful. Of course the PlayStation 4 more than the xbox one and I I think the the teaching of this is that Gamers are willing to buy a game dedicated machine If it's good enough and I don't think that Sony is going to abandon that and all of a sudden Not put out another console or stop the general Life cycle of consoles when he says a PlayStation it's kind of cryptic right until march 2021 Would be one PlayStation PlayStation to crouch down once to grow further in the future Well, so you think that there's a PlayStation 5 console In the works rather than it just going to some Software subscription model and and getting a bit of hardware altogether I mean, it's that is still in the works as well They have the PlayStation now service and there could be other ways of doing that But it's pretty clear and we have rumors about dev kits going to developers for PlayStation 5 So it is happening now Maybe the nature of the device will be different and so it will be something a little bit unexpected, but there will be a new Box to buy for gamers in probably a couple of years something like that Because remember even when the PlayStation 5 comes out, it doesn't mean the PlayStation 4 isn't going to keep selling for a little while at least right And so the the thing that we mostly expect is that both manufacturers switched to a pc-like architecture For this generation xbox one and the PlayStation 4 is pc-like So it will be very easy to make the next device backwards compatible actually Microsoft did this with the xbox one x it's backwards and forward compatible just like the PlayStation 4 pro Microsoft is kind of committing you know Implying that it will be the the same model going forward Sony hasn't said anything like that So what I would expect is a PlayStation 5 to be backwards compatible But in the traditional way Games the games that would come out for PlayStation 5 couldn't be played on PlayStation 4 And that would push people of course to buy the PlayStation 5 And an interesting twist is that I'm not sure how Microsoft would respond to this Because they just released the PlayStation the the xbox one x last year And if sony comes out with the PlayStation 5 or announces it, let's say in 2019 and comes out in 2020 It would be strange for Microsoft to then come out with another console again It's too close to the xbox one x for it to um to to be not Unwelcome by by gamers So it seems that in that chess game sony might be getting a couple of moves ahead already Interesting so is there any benefit to uh, um, there was a great uh write up and seen out about the idea of If PlayStation were go were to for go hardware and go subscription only Is there any benefit to you or do you not like this idea? um, it's still a little bit complicated to put in in place because Subscription could mean would probably mean video streaming and it's the the target for this is still too small because Connections aren't fast enough for most people. I don't see that happening That is the kind of thing that you were hearing about At the beginning of this generation and I think it hasn't panned out We never know, but I don't think that's what the comments of john codara meant It's it's kind of a little bit of tech reporters wishful thinking it's people who know tech and don't know gaming as much. I think I don't mean to discount the opinion of the the person who wrote this at cnet, but It's like people who were saying oh, everyone's going to be playing on mobile. So game consoles don't have a future No, not really people who knew gaming didn't think like that Yeah, hard to predict the future um on this but again, you know a lot of differing opinions and Also, thanks to your opinion by the way We love our sub reddit submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Is the first thing I look at every morning and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show is where you can hang out with us on facebook We got an email and patrick you were not on the show last week But we talked to scott johnson about the idea of Exam cheating in the modern age and all of the ways that students could have a smart watch Maybe that you know But was giving them cheating notes and and all the other options that weren't previously available to the rest of us Pete wrote in with some thoughts on how the concept of cheating as being a bad thing Doesn't necessarily help us later in life. I'm going to paraphrase a little bit But Pete says what makes us valuable to others is knowing enough to be able to find the information quickly when we can It's our belief though That knowing the details on a few topics is not as useful as understanding the basic concepts on many topics With access to information all the time We should be testing students more on their ability to quickly provide a quality answer With modern tools they have Then their ability to memorize details, which are often forgotten The only time I find myself wishing I knew more details on a few topics Rather than understanding more topics, but not the details is during interviews Which means there is some value to at least knowing the things you you you're talking about in detail But yeah, certainly that is something that has been changing with the event of the internet now any piece of information is available at at very easily I remember Most listeners are old enough to remember this but I remember when The time when when you didn't know something Well, that was it. You just didn't know you had uh, you know You maybe you had an encyclopedia if you were rich enough and you could go look it up or you had to go to the library But during that evening you couldn't pull out your phone and think so yes, obviously that's that's very important That's a change that we need to take into account. Yeah, and however Keep going keep going. No, I I do think however It's also important to understand these things and and the line is difficult to to trace between I don't need to know anything and and because I can find it and at that point you actually don't understand anything so Well, it's sort of like for a long time I didn't use gps because I was of the mind that like I should study a map I should know where I'm going where's north like that was very important to me, you know Like I don't want help, you know, that's cheating But it's been a really long time since I've not had gps available in my car So it's you know, it's one of those things where it's like I could memorize all of this But if I can always Access it easily Then the memorization makes less sense especially for younger students Well, I agree. Uh, first people who think like that will survive during the oncoming apocalypse so good on them and and And second, um, oh damn. I had a great point to make but I forgot so never mind well, you know maps and Memorization and all that good stuff. Yeah, you can you can tell us next week when you're back on the show Patrick Beja, thank you so much for being with us on Tuesdays even though It's very late where you are you are you are always with us and we appreciate it Patrick what has been going on with you and where can folks find at what's been the latest? Well, you can go to frenchspin.com or follow me on Twitter, I'm not Patrick there on facebook and instagram as well Just you know, e3 is coming up It's going to be the big fiesta for gamers where everything new gets announced So you could subscribe to pixels my podcast about gaming where I cover all of that and it's going to be a super fun time We'll probably do a summary in dts labs games that you can get on this feed But if you want more details, you can subscribe to pixels Excellent. 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Hope you have enjoyed this program Patrick, thank you for filling in so many of the blanks for me No worries. What blanks there were no blanks We'll know of certain stories you knew more about than I did. Oh, I just made up stuff You're you're the one who will have to deal with the emails saying ah, patrick was just full of crack. No, it was great It was awesome. It was great um Roger I will send the audio to slack. Does that work? Yes, that would be perfect. Thank you there you go And oh You got crunchy You're not all Yes, you're out next week. Oh, well, I'm sorry. I said that you would be here The audience will be incredibly disappointed actually Yeah, I'm I'm in paris too. It's going to be interesting to travel with the baby Is this the first Yes, first international trip Yeah, I'm very very very scared, but uh make sure uh Their nursing or on second something on the flight up. It helps pop their ears with the change in pressure the what So when when the plane starts taking off right, right? Nursing on a bottle or whatever. Ah, okay because that motion Will help pop the ears as a pressure change in the right the pressure change in the cabin. I thought um if they were young enough the like Drums weren't formed or something and they didn't get the pressure thing. Um That could be the case. I just do it as a matter of course Okay, no one wants to be in the plane ride for a very long time with the screen That is true me Including me so maybe I'll try that how long is the flight from Where you have three hours or so long enough. Yeah long enough that it can be a nerving but All right Thank you very much. I will go Hey, thank you so much. Thanks patrick Thanks See you soon Comcast says war drivers of trouble don't steal my wi-fi A fortnight prize of epic proportions Hmm That's pretty good Instamutes it's a place like one 127 dot oh dot oh dot one Amazon pulls a farva Farv Oh I don't understand that. No, I don't I don't understand sports References, I mean I do but I don't understand that one something about farva. Oh and the I don't know I like a fortnight prize of epic proportions. That's a good one. Yeah, that's that's putting money where your business will be Like that's that's 100 million. I mean, I know that Maybe that's not as much as it used to be but For you know, it's not going to be one pot, right? It's going to be exactly wrinkle the wrong around sure. I mean it really I mean it really underscores the fact that they understand what they have and they want to keep it Going if not growing Um to maintain interest in their product I mean, that's why blizzard does All their gaming leagues I mean, they don't they don't crank out a large number of games, but the ones they do Are intensely uh, they have intensely loyal fan bases and you can take most of those games and convert them into a competitive match And that's what people want to compete in a In an arena where they are kings Have you ever been to an esports thing in person? No I haven't either I'd like to go though. I've seen them and I know the blizzard overwatch overwatch arena is out here In burbank, but um, I haven't I don't know I I thought about I thought about popping in but like I don't know I guess you need to get tickets and then you got to sit through an entire match of a game. I It's only half understand. Yeah, that's my problem too I like the spectacle idea of it But I probably have to be more familiar with the game for it to make a lot of sense Like I tried sitting through watching a starcraft Um a match and I was like, yeah, I guess Like it wasn't but he said he sent it to me through slack Oh wait, he hasn't sent it yet That's that's fine. That's fine Um, I was uh, hopefully everyone caught uh, tom's Uh round table yesterday in australia with uh, raj dute and dute Dute and peter wells. I can never Sprouts his last name apologies all around. Um, but it was it was a fun show. It's a little late for us, but it was good Yeah, and um Everybody who has been oh shoot. We should well. No because now it's over. Yeah. Yeah, never mind Um, everybody who went to either of the made-ups in sydney or melbourne in australia. I hope you had a great time Let us know send us a photo photo Some sort of uh Anecdote about something funny that happened Like tom ordered onion rings, but he didn't understand that onion rings or something different in australia. Are they? Yeah They might be He tried to order a blooming onion. We don't have those we just call them What's the okay, so um, you guys made fun of me for uh saying fosters beer Uh a couple weeks ago because tom was like nobody makes fosters or maybe that was you that was me Yeah, it was you but like okay, so what's what's an australian? I don't know household name appetizer that you just don't see anywhere else. Um, zegemite You can get well, that's probably a dish Something that's like depends on who you talk to. I see people eating that out of the jar. I'm just pretty nasty. Yes Zegemite and marmite are both making like They're so salty and It's good for you. It's good for you. Is it? Well, that's what that's that's what that's what the packaging says. It's good for you, right? Has to be healthy. I don't know I mean hundreds and thousands hundreds of thousands of australian school kids eat it every day I remember being on In I don't know somewhere in europe like backpacking in many years ago Um hanging out with some australians Which is you know, I mean they're great travelers. You'll see them everywhere and A lot of them had zegemite like packed in like a little travel Zegemite packed in their backpacks All right So they could like you know eat on the road and be comfortable and have their condiment of choice You put it on bread you put it on crack you put on everything I mean, I would say the same thing about butter, but you know well butters. I mean it's pretty big throughout most european and european colonized Areas of the world I think another I think a very unique thing would be beats and burgers like slices of beat Oh, they put those in burgers Instead of tomato Yeah, I don't think they use yeah, it would kind of be one or the other I would think That's sounds weird, but maybe not bad Um, they also do which is something recent is the smash avocado was just basically Guac that's not guac. It's just avocado on top of a toast But a very thick piece of artisional toast and then they charge you an arm and a leg for it supposedly Oh, they have that in the u.s. As well. That's for sure. I I am so over Artisan anything small batch anything, you know what? If if wonder bread makes a decent whole wheat Green bread, I will buy it and eat it, but they don't so I don't so But like, you know, I get it, but I'm not paying you five bucks for toast I mean there were places that were charging you five bucks for toast. It's like no Well, yeah, I can remember a specific place in san francisco called the mill Um, it still exists. Uh that I I think the toast was six dollars It was very thick and you would have a topping of your choice like butter or cinnamon or, you know Something between the two And it was delicious Not gonna lie the best toast I've ever had but six dollars No, it became sort of this like joke among, you know Everyone who ever got it because we all felt really stupid about it But you could say the same thing for coffee, right? If you're drinking coffee, uh, because you're, you know, it's your ritual You want to wake up? It's morning. Whatever You don't necessarily have to pay five dollars for that either Yeah, but some people care and some people like it some people like trip coffee. I mean Australian coffee is very much Well, uh, we're they call it a flat white which is just kind of a like an A variant of an expresso. This is very interesting because it's a type of coffee, but it's not the only coffee Um, they really love it and then I was like Sex for everyone because I don't drink coffee. So it doesn't matter to me And it's weird because it's it's hard to be the guy that doesn't drink In the country that likes drinking Because there aren't there aren't really a variety of soft drinks like they are here Like there's like everyone and their mother seems to have a root beer a ginger beer Like some sort of cream soda or cherry soda There I mean the pickings are pretty slim, but if you want if you want beer, there's a lot of different kinds of beer Well, so I mean they have coca-cola and that's yeah, but like, you know, it's just not yeah, the variety I like I like to visit new land so I can see what kinds of soft drinks. They're tricky No, it's true. I mean on the artisan tip. It's like, yeah, if I don't want a glass of wine I'll be like, do you have a cranberry? ginger infused on the calmer This is the thing I loved about japan was all the non Alcoholic and non-coffee beverages, right? You have pokari sweat. You have infinite variations on like a milk based Like it's like a better tasting quick, right? Right strawberry chocolate, you know, whatever mango flavor I mean, there's just a huge variety and that was just fun. It's like I can get all this stuff and I don't have to weird be weird out because there's no alcohol or anything in it Gotta stay hydrated gotta stay hydrated and filled with sugar You know, I got it like a green juice thing Yesterday, like I didn't want a kombucha. I just I don't know I'm tapped out on that and I didn't want water and I was like Yeah, I want something very refreshing and that thing was So sugary That I I mean I ended up like pouring it into a big pitcher with a bunch of water And put it in the fridge for a while so I could drink it It was undrinkable the way it was So wait, it wasn't it was just a health but it was a health beverage or it was like a I don't know What's the company that uh actually bought no, uh maker of fruit drinks fruit smoothie stuff Like an umbrella Those things are really really bad for you if you don't like mix it with a gallon of water That's what I said. I mean, I I can't like I don't know how anybody could like pound that I love I love iced tea, but this is the thing So I'm not sure if a lot of people are familiar with the honest tea brand A line of teas when they first came out they added very little sugar like at most it was 10 or 12 grams per like 16 ounce bottle Over time they started adding more sugar and it all the stuff I used to like became undrinkable Like it was like I understand the desire to make it a little sweeter But it's just it really doesn't quench the thirst if it's something's too sugary Which is why soda doesn't help you drink a lot of it But you're you're never really quenched because you're also ingesting a lot of sugar. That's just not helpful Yeah, I don't know some people's threshold for sugar is just way higher than mine If I drank an adwala, just you know, I would have like a horrible headache for the rest of the day Too much gross. I just felt like I would have just pounded a bag of sugar Yeah That's wrong And then you know, especially as you get older you run the risk of you know the diabetes And stuff because you're you you spike your blood sugar level and you you go through that kind of sugar high and then fall back down and It's not falling back down. That's just not fun Third street so drew nielson in the chat rooms has suggested I try a brand called third street So let me look at this up third street. I've never heard of them a new tea Sounds like a Sketch comedy group Ah, here it is ready to drink teas And lemonade's and seagulls serving size. They have a tiger. It looks like a leopard or jaguar On the label here. Let me share this Let's see it. Oh Wait, do that. Well, it kind of looks familiar to me. I don't think I've ever had one if chai They have lemonade Half and half black So what I always do is I just go to the sugar count and I'm like anything over like 10 grams Oh, especially if there's more than one serving size. Oh, it's it's it's an eight-flute. Oh, it's too much sugar Too much sugar. They just Let's see the sugar still zero grams of sugar. All right. Well, that one's good There you go That's one thing I'm gonna try not to do is get my kids Hooked on sugar. I mean, it's hard. It's gonna be a hard thing to do She already likes ice cream But everyone loves ice cream. How can you say not ice cream? When I was a little kid, my parents did not let me have sugar. I mean not regularly maybe like Special occasion, but like there just wasn't no candy. No sugar. No no stuff like that in my house And I think the idea was that I would learn to not want it But as soon as I was like old enough to buy my own candy That's all I ate. It's like this stuff is great. Why did you hide this? I mean, I guess I've come back around finally because I'm like, ah, sugar's the worst But it it it definitely uh backfired on them for a while Uh, you know what else is the worst is having to say goodbye But we have to for this episode of good day internet Well, we hope you had a wonderful day or night or whatever wherever you are and We will see you and talk to you again tomorrow. Bye. Bye