 And yes, you're right. There are probably people out there who are really disappointed when me rags and wolf or whoever else get purported as these demons that come after people for thinking, and then it's like, oh they're nice, oh. Oh yeah, we're actually quite nice people. It sounds vague. It's like, no, no, we literally just try to say we're friendly. It's okay. We're pretty reasonable. All things considered. We're not going to try and get you like fired over things and we're not going to, yeah, we're pretty nice. I think we're pretty nice. I think I'm pretty nice. Yeah, I guess it's just, it's not cool to have your own opinion anymore. Like, you've just got to go with the hive mind and virtue signal absolutely everything and it's just, I don't know, you can't be honest and realistic anymore. Otherwise, you're a Nazi. Oh, okay. Oh, well, we tried. Yeah. Hey rags, people are still running with the rag ass meme from basically Rag apostrophe s. Yeah, when I don't know if you know about this, Al, but it in Clinton slash TRO's video when they had like texts to explain something about right like they'd be like this is from rags video context. They would spell his name as R e R A G apostrophe s. Rags. Oh, no. Like, I don't know how you can spend that much time on a video about somebody and fuck their name up, especially when it's only four letters. But okay. All right. Oh my gosh. We stressed out typing that name soon. And it's like, did you not just look at his channel? That's all you had to do. If you say it in a funny way, it almost sounds like racist. That's probably what he's probably aiming for. You're the type R A G. Yeah, you can type it all with your left hand, which frees your right end up for anything you want. No, that's very true. Great that those two right hands. Speaking of which, so some funny things. Rags, you know about Quinton's Ben Shapiro tweet, right? No, I don't. Oh my. So I have a Ben Shapiro shirt that I wore yesterday. Sorry, people already hate rags. So you can't get it. It's fine. Yeah. Well, you'll find this extra interesting that rags. So Quinton left put out a tweet after. Do you remember PewDiePie did some memes with Ben Shapiro? I know of it. Yeah. Like fo hosted meme review a couple, maybe like a week or so ago. So unfortunately Quinton got wind of it and he put out a tweet, which I would, if you just Google it, you'll find it. I haven't got a link unfortunately, but he said the problem with PewDiePie allowing Ben Shapiro onto his platform means that he humanizes Ben Shapiro and you should not do that. Well, listen, I totally agree, Quinton, because from history, we know exactly what happens when you go around dehumanizing the Jews, you know. It's such a, you read it, you're like Quinton, you should just say that. You just say don't humanize a human, right? So that didn't do well. You know that the video from PewDiePie was three weeks ago. It has 6.2 million views and is 99% positive. Yeah. So I just said it's meme review. It's how do you, what's happening? Like, why have you taken this so entirely? He's enacting great political change there, reviewing memes with Ben Shapiro fucking hell. Yeah, PewDiePie's ruined it for everybody. We're all doomed. And then you must have, I'm pretty sure we talked about the one where he said the, it's good that PewDiePie lost his series and that Logan Paul didn't lose his movies in terms of YouTube Red. Do you remember that tweet? Yeah, yeah. Um, reasoning being the, you know, Logan Paul, he filmed a dead guy, but then he didn't do it again. And PewDiePie kept getting into controversies. So, you know, Logan Paul's goody and PewDiePie's a baddie. It was just like, you read it again. People are just like, what? The slip of a tongue in, on a live stream, like a momentary lapse of sense and saying the wrong word on a live stream. How is that comparable to planning and filming and editing a corpse in a foreign country and showing it to millions of children worldwide? That is just your opinion, you know? How? Jesus Christ. So if you type, if you go to YouTube and unironically type in PewDiePie Ben Shapiro, the first thing that pops up is PewDiePie's videos. But the fourth one down is from a YouTuber named Jay Longbone. And the title of the video was Quinton Reviews Destroys Ben Shapiro. Have you seen that video? I haven't seen it yet, but it's clearly, it's anti-Quinton. We need to, we need to watch that one. It was a podcast over, because it's really fucking funny. I showed Alex it. It's just funny. But the top comment is Dr. Shame, who has 480,000 subs or whatever. And he said Quinton left a positive comment on that asinine shut up about plot holes video. As somebody who presents themselves as some kind of authority on movies, that made me lose a ton of respect real quick. Let me tell you. I love how Quinton just consistently does things that are just against this podcast. Like the opposite of what we think. Like, well done Quinton. Another fantastic take. So yeah, those things are like more, more the older stuff. So, so he released a video called Fallen Titans Copy Cats or something like that. And he's just talking about how, you know, some YouTubers just directly copy others to be successful, which is a fine topic. There's a lot of people who do that. And, um, yeah, I don't know how else to frame this. So he's talking about how there's a lot of angry gamers out there. And it would be stupid to say that every angry gamer is a rip-off of AVGN. Just like it's stupid to say that every racist gamer is a rip-off of Joddrodd. And his audience would not happy with that one. Who said that? That's what Quinton said. He, I may have delivered that as if it was like a joke, but he was pretty unironic about it. He thinks Joddrodd is a racist. Yeah, Joddrodd is a racist. He's just, he's poor and articulating. Yeah, I know. I'm fairly in the dark about that particular controversy because I have always been a huge fan of Joddrodd and like things were kicking off. I didn't really look into it too much. Like what could he actually say? We said a couple of things. The most egregious, for people who are going to be like, this is politics. This is literally about video game and movie reviewers ripping into each other. So like we're just trying to get to the specifics and sadly they involve politics in a way. So John Tron took a statistic from something that I guess had like zero credible sources that said on average, rich black men commit more crime than poor white men or white people. I've heard that statistics true depending on how you quantify it. Well, I mean, depending on your quantify it would be important context. Oh yeah, rich and poor is obviously, where's the... I mean, I'd be surprised considering, unless you're gonna, because this is the thing, some people like Trump is the biggest criminal in the world and you'd be like, oh, are we doing the whole, like are we talking about crimes as in, you know, hurting and stealing? Or like, are we talking about like... Jay walking, like... Yeah, so either way, that's one of the worst things he said or at least the really pissed people off. So what was the point he was trying to make? The whole debate was about trying to keep... I don't... You know what, I don't want to say in case I paraphrase wrong. I haven't seen it in ages, but... No, no, that's fine, that's fine. I can kind of see where... This is gonna be a topic that many people are very, very touchy about. Yeah, essentially, John Tron just doesn't articulate himself well on the spot when he was talking about that kind of thing. Yeah, and he put an apology... It was like a destiny to really like to be manipulative. Yeah, and he was very inexperienced with the whole thing. Yes. Because I saw, obviously in the Gokunaru video where he took down H3, there was quite a big section on that about how he kind of grilled John Tron on the podcast and was a bit of a dick to him and stuff. And I just kind of like really felt for John Tron in that moment, but I wasn't 100% sure what he'd actually said. I assumed it was blown out of proportion, but... It all comes down to pretty much what makes a racist. Is it when they say things that could make an ethnicity or a race look bad when they've just got bad information or if it's twisted information or if it's information they've degenerate. It's a whole thing and Quinton's just said, no, he's racist. And it's like, okay, I don't think John Tron's racist. I think that he just handled the situation really badly because... Well, yeah. To be able to define someone as a racist, you've got to look at like... Yes, it's complicated. Well, you say that, but... His actions. Is he actively... It is actually kind of complicated because... I wish it was that for everyone else. But it gets thrown around a lot. Yeah. That's the thing. The whole idea of this is losing so much of its potency and it's just... Even in that situation, someone came out and said, oh, John Tron's a massive racist. And I automatically was like, right, who's blown something out of proportion now? Oh, yeah. I'm not thinking, oh, my God, what's he done? I'm thinking, oh, my God, what have people misconstrued? Yeah. When people say you're a racist, I'm like, no, they're not. I don't even know. Without knowing anything about it, I'm like, no, they're probably not. And correct me if I'm wrong, but destiny debates people daily. He has like thousands of debates. That's all his channel is. And so he's more than capable of dismantling somebody, whether or not either side is even right, wrong, or has information. His whole thing is like... He's been working on it. So you've got someone who's never done it before against someone who's like, as experienced as they come. And so it was just a mess. And you can check it out in the original context. But the point is that he casually just threw in that John Tron is racist and his cobbid sexual were not happy with that one. And then... Well, there's going to be a lot of crossover there, right? Oh, definitely. There's obviously people who are, you know, most people I know on YouTube were a fan of John Tron. His content's fucking amazing. Well, that's the thing. I love John Tron's content. And he did a... And Sargon had a live stream with John Tron afterwards. And that shit's like 700,000 views. I think that was before, wasn't it? It was after, I think. I'd have to check the timeline, but I remember... That was so strange. Because he was like, John Tron with Sargon? Wow, what a smashing of worlds, you know? Yeah, it was on January 27th. The... The Destiny one or the Sargon one? I don't know. I'd have to check both of them. Oh, yeah. It didn't turn out well for Destiny. Well, Destiny... I think Destiny actually said that it worked really well for him in terms of, you know, conflicts and stuff. Oh, well, that's the thing. When you say, when you don't say I won, you say, well, I got a lot of clicks for it, you know? But yeah, so you go from there. And that, by the way, came up, you know, when talking about game reviewers who call the other game... It's like, what? Why did... Okay, that was a bit weird. But then it gets even weirder because you got... Logan Paul's film comes out. The Thinning 2, I believe is called. And Quinton reviewed it because he's reviewed the first one and it did really well for him. And there's this bit where he's talking about some kind of political system in the film. And he said, it might be commentary on Trump. And then it just, like, stops for a second. He goes, I fucking hate Trump. And then he just goes on a Trump rant. And it's like, what the hell? This was a movie review. Alright, thanks for making sure that we know that you don't like Trump. And, you know, again... Sorry? We always gotta throw in that little orange man bat in there. That always gives me that feeling of that fucking Steve Buscemi meme. Hello, kids. How do you do, fellow kids? It's like, yeah, look at me, guys. I've got the same opinion as you. You guys wanted... You guys wanted, like, political commentarians from here, right? In this movie. But yeah, so that... This is the kind of shit that I know why people do not like politics and they move your reviews. They really don't. It's like, where the hell did this kid... If you've got people who despise Trump, there are people like that who would listen to that and go, what the hell? I was just casually listening to some fun times, just like, by the way, Trump, I hate him. It's like, okay. That didn't do too well either. And then, do you guys know about the PewDiePie vs. T-Series thing? Yeah. I know that. I don't even know. I know of. They might, but I don't know anything. I've never heard of T-Series before. This. Well... It's because they're new. They've only been around for, like, a few months. It's confusing because it's like a collective corporate Indian channel that has Indian music and Bollywood stuff on it, I believe. And so, India being one of the most densely populated parts of the world, having that channel is something they flock to, I guess. Like, a lot of people would have subscribed to it from India and then people outside of it, if they enjoy the music, whatever. It's managed to take over PewDiePie as far as I know. So, it's weird. And there was this time where PewDiePie was releasing videos that were memeing about how you got to fight this war, defeat them with the subscribe account. And there was, like, a guy who's a fan of PewDiePie, I guess. And he was putting up billboards and having radio talks at his town, promoting PewDiePie's YouTube channel. And it's the kind of shit where you just, like, this is just so dumb. Yes. There's MrBeast, the guy who did it. And, like, when he did that, he obviously brought a lot of, well, brought my attention to his channel, so I kind of, like, went through a few of his videos. And it really seems like, you know, in, like, a game show, when they say an amount of money and then the audience just claps for some fucking reason. Mm-hmm. That's basic, that's the basis of his channel. It's like, I have $10,000, and I'm gonna give it to this prostitute. And that's the video. And then it's like, I've got $20,000, and I'm gonna give it to this homeless man. It's like, okay. Well, fair enough. Cool. So, you got any ideas? So this is going on. And they made a big deal about how PewDiePie hit $69 million before them, because obviously $69. And then PewDiePie was like, I want to reach $69, $69, $69, $69 before them. And I can't remember if he did or not, but the point is that this was going on. It was amusing. I would look in every once in a while and be like, ah, but in your head, you know, it's like, yeah, Terry series will take over eventually, because this, how do you even have a singular personality beat what is essentially, you could argue, it's like a genre in terms of just, it's not specific while PewDiePie is arguably a niche thing, even though he's so popular. But yeah. So I'm pretty sure it got to the point where they beat him. And then Quinton released a video on the subject. And it was like, what? And by the time I'd heard about it, it was gone. And I was like, okay. And I looked for a re-upload, which you guys can find. It's very easy. And he spends a video explaining, it's like nine minutes. And the first prize, he's like, oh yeah. So T-Series are this thing. And he explains what they are. And he's like, PewDiePie is this thing. He explains what that is. And then he's like, and they are competing for the most subs, the reason why PewDiePie obviously is winning because he released the right things at the right time. Yeah. And then T-Series released as a thing that is arguably a huge thing that people will be interested in. So why not? And then he ends it with saying, the whole thing is sad. And PewDiePie doing this, running this war against them is just sad. And it reminds, he said it was like a jogger running up to a fellow jogger and just shouting to them, I'm going to beat you. Because we all know that PewDiePie did it with malice. Exactly. That's the thing. That's not the strongest analogy. Yeah. He's not like, we have to do it because memes. And it was weird because I was like, there's all joke. The whole point is joke. If you ignore the race between those two channels because it's not really relevant, it's just a perfect opportunity for PewDiePie to just quickly build his subscriber base. They're going to overtake him anyway. So he might as well make a big deal out of it and get as much money as he can and as much attention as he can. Yeah. Quinton got a lot of backlash quick because obviously people like PewDiePie and understood that it was a joke. And then he apparently had some comments on the video trying to explain that he wasn't serious. He was kind of joking. And then he took the video down permanently and was like, oh, that's just like the Citizen Kane thing. He really tried to parody me and it just went to shit. And he was like, I was joking. God damn it. If you have to explain that what you said was a joke, you didn't like a joke. And yeah, so you might be like, why am I bringing this up? It's like, well, the interesting thing is now there's like already four and there's more coming, I suppose, of like Quinton is becoming shit videos. You know, and like Quinton's becoming a problem. I was just like, wow, I wonder if he's headed for like a crashed bird sort of situation with all this shit. He keeps shoving politics into his movie reviews, which is just the kind of stuff where people are just like, oh yeah, and people thought it was unlisted, but it's just gone completely. And yeah, you know, good luck in the future, Quinton. But he went on the official podcast and there's even comments about me and Rags in there. People are like, does anyone know what he did? Just like, wow, eFap actually managed to get to some people's ears, I guess. Or at least there's a lot of follow-over with people who are fans of Critical and people who watch this channel maybe. I don't know. But either way, that's the only other thing that I should mention from the previous podcast, actually, was that if you remember what's his name, Major Lee said that he was the guy to predict that Ray wouldn't have any parents. Apparently Thor Skywalker did, and he's a relatively popular Star Wars channel. And he's someone that hated The Last Jedi, so I just find it amusing. If only we had that clip, and so Major Lee's ego would take yet another hit, the poor guy. Oh, and I got Verified Rags. I've got a tick next to my name now. Ooh, good, good, good. That means I'm a real person. What are the requirements for that sexy little tick you've got there? Apparently 100,000 subscribers, that's all they want. Yeah, generally it's 100,000 subs. Especially cases you can get it before, but... Have they sent you your shiny little plaque yet? No. Have you got that, Rex? I haven't ordered mine. No, I haven't even ordered it. They don't send it automatically. You have to go through how I get my silver. Well, let's change some stuff. People always act like so nonchalant about it, like, oh, wow, I just received this in the post. You fucking ordered it. Jenna said, well, as a checkbox, now it's time to get political. It's like, yay, this is not what we do when we get 100K. We're like, that's it. Now I can stay stuff through my channel. I forgot about it. I forgot that's the thing that is a thing at all. Well, I mean, check, there's that meme in it. We say check marks on Twitter, go nuts, stuff. But this is like a check mark on YouTube but probably not the same thing. I don't know. No, because it's just based off popular... Because originally, on Twitter, it's like how it is on Gab is actual verification. The original point on Twitter was, you have to prove that the owner of the account is you and it verifies you. But now it's like a status symbol. It's like a two-tier sort of culture on Twitter. Twitter's shit, by the way. That's like your opinion, Rags. Yeah, it is. But essentially, that's why they took Milo's verification mark away before he got booted off Twitter. Like it's used as a status symbol. And there's a lot of other special little things for it. But it's not really a verification method. And yeah, some people are like, have Thor Skywalker on. I'll look into it. We really don't mind having any guests, to be honest. As long as they've got interesting things to say. Right person who is a pizza and has a goatee. That's what I thought. And yes, rejoice my people of whatever. I have now decided I'm going to release part one of the series, even if I haven't finished the rest, on Christmas Day to really sell the theme of giving a gift. Because that's how it works. It's not content. It's me. There's been provided, buddy, on Patreon to support it. No, it's just me giving a gift. That's what it is. 100%. So I'm going to tell my whole family to fuck off on Christmas Day. An hour? Wait, how long's the first part? Two hours and 40 minutes. Yeah, you guys make room on Christmas Day, screw the families. Two hours and 40 minutes. All right. So there we are. They're just emailed YouTube about a silver play button. Maybe they'll send me one. It'll be kind of nice, but I mean, it's YouTube. I mean, they don't give a shit about me or really any creator. So I'm going to figure it out as well. I'm going to read out the current set of Superchats and hopefully stay above them a little bit and then we'll move on. So, Oive, someone told you to stop drinking your soy milk. How dare you? I was wondering if we do a stream on this shit movie. Why would anyone defend it? Well, that'll be this context for this, this wonderful, wonderful context. Quinton was on the most recent episode of the official podcast and I'm scared to watch it. Love all you guys. Love. Well, you know, you still got critical on there, so you can enjoy that. I'm sure Quinton was a wonderful guest and thank you for the very generous donation. Tell Wolf we miss him. We absolutely will pass on the message. How's everyone doing? Another chill live stream. Who's got new things on the horizon? Well, as I said, I'm working on two videos right now. There you go. We were talking about the politics thing. The next one will be a little political, but not in the bad way. It's about politics more than like my politics. Kind of like how what we just talked about was kind of about politics, but kind of pretty much. Yeah. And I'm working on a Fallout 76 review. Woohoo. That's going to be a fucking doozy. That game is shit. I'm excited for that. There better be a second video on the docket. I need to get good long eFab tomorrow. Well, this isn't even the, this isn't a video that we're criticizing. But again, context is on the way, I swear. Politics like your stand, which is like your asshole. You don't go around showing it off to every person you meet when you're going to watch JoJo Golden Wind. I want you to react to the torture dance. Alex, can you translate that? No, dude. I'm meeting with the staff. It's okay. I don't know what JoJo Golden stand. I have a feeling that's going to be fine. Yeah. Here's some money for kind of gray Saturday. Is it? Oh, is it like bad weather? Love you guys, but can't watch much on weekends for Saturday streams. Saturday streams work for me. Wait, can't watch much on weekends for Saturday streams work for me? I think he's trying to say he works on a Saturday. I'm not sure. But yeah, honestly, once Wolf comes back, you can say goodbye to weekend streams again, because he's never available on weekends. Off topic, but I see this one's come up a few times. The bombers in Starz Episode 8 would technically work given the laws of motion. The bombs would still keep at the same speed and vector they had when leaving the ship. They're still dumb. There's a lot of ways you can make it work. It was just... They weren't propelled from the ship. Yeah, that's the thing. They have to be propelled from the ship in some way. They just look like they dropped. Yeah, they don't look like they're propelled. They just slid out of... Yeah, they rolled. That's the thing. They rolled down. Would you say... Gravity. The even... Well, yeah. If there's false gravity in the ship... Let's not... Okay, yeah. This is not the straight forward. Hours and hours of ranting. Fucking bombers. Mola, you rags, and wolf. Our huge inspiration for you. I'm planning on making substantial videos. My first being about FLCL and its sequels. FLCL? FLCL... FLCL is... I don't know. FLCL. Good, either way. Let me take it as a... It's an anime, it looks like. We like being... I still can't understand what he's saying. Yeah, I know. It's an anime. Let's run the line until they... Yeah, cool. Fuli Kuli, Furikuri... Furikuri, I don't know. But yeah, no, good stuff. We like... We absolutely would want to encourage people to make stuff. Why did I recognize this? This used to be on Adult Swim a long time ago, wouldn't it? Patrick Willems is the Paul Watson of the far left, whiny bitch who doesn't debate and makes up theories without logical proof. Well, well. You guys have been my drunken peasants replacement since the breakup. Oh, yeah. I mean, we're not gonna wear old boys. Correction, I work weekdays, I can today. Oh, good, good, good. Okay, so I'm caught up now. We have guests everywhere on this show. And the last one, I believe, was the Chase and... No, wait. Episode 5. That was Doomcock. And Smud was coming back and we had Das Bo shit as well. But our new guest is a guy who's mixed stuff. And I figure it's probably better to show you his stuff before saying anything. So what we're gonna do as a crazy... This might be something we start doing more so in the future. Me and Rags will have to discuss this if it's a good idea or not. We'll see. We're gonna showcase something from this person's channel. I'm just gonna play this video for three minutes. You can hit me with copyright if you want. It's completely up to you, but we'll see. This might influence future appearances on EFAT. So you guys just give this a shot, basically. We'll watch it with you and we'll move on from this. Enjoy, but it's a movie reviewer of sorts. He does animation and just give it a shot. Hello Internet and welcome to a particularly spooky episode of Junk Film Review. In this series we'll be digging through the cinematic graveyard, uncovering all kinds of forgotten disasters and movie cadavers in the hope of finding at least something to laugh at. I can't remember a time in my life where I wasn't completely sleep deprived. Since a very early age I've spent sleepless nights hiding under my duvet like a little bitch. Just kidding. I was actually hiding under my duvet playing Pokemon like a little bitch with a flashlight precariously balanced on my chest or painfully clenched between my teeth because playtendo screens weren't backlit in those days and nothing was going to stop me from becoming the very best like no one ever was, including the overwhelming natural urge to become unconscious when it's dark outside. I was the proud owner and completer of Pokemon's blue, yellow and gold and would stay awake for as long as my brain would allow before it performed an emergency shutdown rendering me immediately and uncomfortably unconscious and leaving my playtendo beeping and blooping away at the faintest of volumes until it slowly passed away in the early hours of the morning. Much to the dismay of my father, who couldn't for the life of him understand how my batteries kept dying so quickly, which rapidly led to the introduction of bump-a-packs of budget-asked batteries. Maybe these will dissuade the insatiable hunger of my handheld gaming console feed me more batteries. This was the first reason I subscribed to a life of sleeplessness and began the onset of irritability which would undoubtedly lead to my unapproachable and grouchy attitude towards life and the people in it until a few years later when I was gifted with my very own television which was probably a direct result of my perpetual nagging but I honestly can't remember and therefore the next reason to not sleep was discovered. Too great was the allure of odd but curious late-night programming such as South Park, Ren and Stimpy, the Tom Green show, Euro Trash and Banzai all of which would help to establish the foundations of my gross and nihilistic sense of humour. I also once stayed up past 5am watching the BBC Learning Zone on conversational Japanese. Not entirely relevant but I just want to illustrate how little was necessary for me to avoid getting the essential rest my body requires to function. It was commonplace back then for the latter hours of the television schedule to be filled with the aforementioned programs alongside bizarre independent low budget productions, softcore pornography and cheaply made and badly acted B movies. It was at about this time that I acquired another token of sleeplessness and that was when I discovered the first and possibly last movie to ever truly scare me. That's the build up. You're not going to know what the movie is unless you go and check out the video. So you might be like, how did I find it? It's because of CJ's cynical reviews actually who pushed me towards checking out the channel as well as I think you contacted me in DMs but I think it's really entertaining and endearing I find it to be. Obviously everybody can think of what they want themselves but that's a taster. There's a link in the chat if you guys want to go check it out or at least put it on a tab until you're done with this podcast. Is there anything you want to clarify about what you do on the channel? First and foremost I want to do original animated content but I didn't really want to just throw it out there into the ether for no one. So I was just trying to think of an area that I have a certain amount of knowledge that maybe I could produce some interesting videos. So I decided to go with film reviews because I've been a massive film nerd since I was pretty much born and I've studied it and etc. And then all through university I moved on. I used to be a big fan of world cinema specifically like South Korean movies and stuff but when I was in uni and doing lots of naughty things my brain wasn't that great so I found this real passion for enjoying shit films. And it was about that time so it was like way back about 6-7 years ago because I'm old as fuck. But I found the room and like Troll 2 and shit like that and I just really really just loved these terrible movies and I forced people in my house like to sit down and watch them and I just as now I just developed this affinity for just like terrible trashy B movies. And so I kind of used that as like the focus of the channel where like in each episode I'll pick a new really obscure film that no one's ever fucking heard and just rip it to shreds basically. But then supplement that with just some like little animations and like biopic stuff, what biographical I guess about myself and the context of my interests and where things have come from. But yeah it's been fun so far and it's kind of like people are like getting interested and certainly I've had a lot more interest in the past month or so which has been really nice. It's so much more you know like because what you expect on YouTube is guys sitting on something with camera face to them and then he's like I just got out of the theater and this is why I either like or didn't. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that the other kind of people that you see on 10k subs and you should be like yeah that's cool he's doing his thing and it's like why are you on 2k what the fuck. You've got something that other channels don't do. Yeah that's weird. It's strange to see people who put so much effort and work into what's essentially a really high quality video and they're not a really big channel. The algorithm just doesn't favor my content at all because I'm not topical. I'm not reviewing fucking fantastic beasts or whatever's out right now. A bad B movie from 1992. A shitty horror movie from 1992. So traffic's pretty low. And it's a really big pond and there's lots and lots of fish in it and a lot of the times it it's just the fact that there's so many people out there. Especially when it comes to movie reviewers it's just there's so many. So hopefully. The main thing I struggle with is like essentially like I don't think I've got my creative process nailed at all. I could definitely produce my videos a bit faster and maybe learn some new techniques or get some more like better plugins or software or something to make my stuff look better but the thing I struggle with is just marketing. Like how do you reach out to people? Like I've tried loads of different things. Like I went to Comic-Con earlier this year and I printed out like a thousand flyers and I'd like designed this flyer about the channel and bit of a blurb and some pictures and stuff and I went around and spoke to like literally hundreds of people and you'd think at Comic-Con they're the kinds of people that would be interested in what I'm trying to do and I got maybe one subscriber from like a whole day of like walking around. Yeah, I have no idea what the return is for something like that because I... Ridiculous. And also I didn't realise quite how many one thousand is but if you've ever had one thousand of anything there's fucking loads. I was like over encumbered with flyers just walking around trying to get people to look at my stupid channel and no one gives a shit. So it's just a difficult game. It's tough to get the... Because this is the thing, if every person on the planet was forced to watch one of your videos and then they could choose whether to subscribe you'd be fine because at that point many people would be like yeah I'd see them all from the sky and that's kind of what I'm getting at is you do a thing, you're not just reviewing movies you've got your own little style with the animation and you've got a neat sense of humour and you've clearly got editing skills so it's refreshing is the word as I suppose many people subscribe to anyone forced. So again, link is in the chat check it out, he's going to be our guest for the day and... Hello! It should be great. Hopefully it gives you even just a small bump because me and Rags like the idea along with the right opinion who's very much in this sort of position as well of trying to promote channels that you can see have talent and just don't have any chance because the algorithm is a horrifying beast sometimes and you know sometimes you don't just want to put boobs in the thumbnail and put you have to see this in caps on your title. I think I'd like to maintain a certain amount of dignity. What do you want? Dignity or subscribers? You have to choose. So in all of these shitty boo movies that I review there is always tits always without fail and I could so easily just screenshot one of the precarious moments where there's a nipple flying around and get all the 12 year olds to click on my video I'm just going to create a fan base of horny little teenagers and that's not really what I want. Hopefully if you just keep it up people love integrity. I'm relatively sure of that as it's just a commonly looked upon trait that's a good thing. If you don't give up and do stuff like that and maintain it you'll eventually not just get a subscriber base I think you'll get a strong one people who really are fans as opposed to just onlookers sort of thing and hopefully to be able to cultivate like a community of people who genuinely do really care about the finer details of film theory and stuff like that but I know I'm doing it through the guys of just taking the piss out of terrible movies which is just kind of low hanging fruit I guess but I try and use vocabulary and terminology in a way that might turn off more casual kind of people probably to my own detriment Well at the very least if you cover something new it would be interesting to see if you cover something that comes out recently with this style see what can happen There is a movie I've got in mind that I'm just waiting for the DVD to come out it's maybe in a week or so but the idea I've got for the episode involves lots of practical stuff and it's going to take a long time because I think I just need to if I could just rein in my ambition a little bit I think I could produce videos more quickly and be more reactive to what's going on as soon as I achieve something I'd just start looking at the next thing so like a spoiler alert anyway no one really gives a shit but I want to do like an in depth look at the happy time murders which is like an absolute fucking apocalypse that that movie is I'm looking at it in its own kind of cultural context in the history of body cop movies and in the history of film noir and how just shit on both of those things while simultaneously ruining the entire legacy but because I'm such a fucking psychopath I want to make a puppet of my character oh yeah do like a physical stop frame episode do you see what I mean like so I've got to build like an italic that's going to take a while but yeah go for it but I want to do it because it's just I don't know I would have a lot of fun I'm really kind of like hands on kind of person I like creating stuff and yeah I think it would be great fun well yeah so then just to move on to what we're actually here to do today how long did it take for us to actually get to a topic only 40 minutes well well so the Jurassic world fallen kingdom if you guys like my channel which would be assumed if you've been watching this I did a review of it it's awful like really bad and a lot of people don't feel that way which is fine but we had there's two things that came to my attention and I thought fuck it we'll throw this into a podcast that makes sense some guy called I think it's Shinobi released four videos that counters basically all the people who have I don't know like reviews over 100k views I think that are against the film Shinobi 03 I think the name of it is I don't know if you, the way you said that I thought maybe you heard of him but he's he's got his part one from what I understand because I haven't seen all of it is more so criticism about film criticism and then part two and three are about specifics and then part four is like a conclusion or something but wolf pops up quite a bit in part two at the very least and obviously he's not here today so we wouldn't want to cover too much of that so we might cover more of it as time goes on but we'll do part one today and we've seen the movie to make sure that we're pretty you know we know what we were talking about and let's just say that it's an awful awful film on top of that I left a comment because we're going to go through something that he does which isn't necessarily very cool and he put out an apology video that was directed at me wolf and a couple of other people so I want to make sure we've got context for this but it was a bit weird the apology video it had like he was apologizing if he offended anybody which is fine but he also said like in fairness though you know the videos were trash and I just wanted to point out how and I was just like okay that was kind and he said that like ultimately it's a good thing because the bad videos helped him make his good video and it was like right so okay and he actually said at the end that he doesn't want to respond to anybody anymore he thinks it's a toxic endeavor which I would never want to ever get to the point where I think that responding is toxic full stop because yeah the whole premise of my channel is just talking through ideas about media so I would responding why would you start a conversation with somebody when you can just shout aimlessly into the void isn't a movie review a response in a way yeah it is responding to a movie the movie puts forward an argument and then you either agree or disagree yeah so we're going to check out his part one you know we'll try and keep it as clean as possible we'll try and reflect however he approaches it and I believe I believe he tackles me and Wolf much more along with nostalgia critic and red letter media in part two but we are mentioned in part one as well as film criticism in general so we'll well we'll give it a shot sorry sorry is nostalgia critic still around yeah he's doing he's still doing well I believe like he's still getting let's just have a look quick nostalgia critic because he survived the whole change the channel controversy I believe like that wasn't yeah I don't even think that did much to him at all oh jeez but it's clear the backlist of all the people on their website so yeah his last nostalgia critic review is up to 300,000 views and that was two days ago so that's pretty good he recently did oh wow so it was a week ago he did his fallen kingdom one so in three like three hours ago channel awesome put out a Doug reviews of Ralph Breaks the internet it's three hours and 13,000 views three hours which is good which is good but for a channel that has 110,000 subs that's oh yeah well I mean people are there for the rest of it 10,000 subs his views are there for the nostalgia critic videos I would say I mean he's not doing amazing or anything but he's doing oh yeah here we go channel awesome yeah two days ago he did a wrinkle in time nostalgia critic that's 331,000 yeah and all the supplement videos just kind of share and I think he's got to do them for like I think he signed a contract with the other actors it could be it could be that they required to do because he got the tamaras never seen stuff which keeps popping up so yeah yeah that's the second thing that pops up yeah I can't remember who the last video covered all of it but I swear that that was the reason he's like stuck with them like contractually wouldn't surprise me but yeah I really don't know the goings on for him but I'm pretty sure he's survived and he's doing relatively well but it's weird because if you put that out a week ago this guy made his videos quite quickly or maybe he had it prepared I don't know either way I'll clean it up to watch later because I hear this movie's awful well this is the thing at least I was like oh I could probably be sympathetic but it's like no we just got done watching it today it's so bad yeah there's nothing to be gained from it it's still shit so bad my dad said that he saw a wrinkling time on he was curious it was on like HBO or something some channel he had for free for a little bit so he watched it and he said man I got about halfway through it and it was confusion and he said it was awful he said it was just a mess it was basically unwatchable oh and I'll get since this we're about to start a video so the super chats thank you guys for improving my critical thinking skills regarding movies random question what do you think of the movie super from 2010 yeah who's seen that because I've seen it that's what I think it's Bill Hader it's the kind of not superhero superhero movie is it Bill Hader I could have sworn it was the guy from the office the American office this James Gunn directed it he did what's his name hang on I'm on IMDB rain Wilson that's the one weird film I'd need to see it again so I saw it when it came out but I remember oh yeah shit it's rain Wilson sorry it's an unconventional superhero movie I guess you could call it a little bit more realistic well I hesitate to say that because I need to see it again but yeah he's just basically got a mental problem I don't bother to see it I need to fix that we can always check it out everyone cool but yes wait where were they when you're watching the stream from the beginning so you don't know what the chat is going on about hello from the past hope you guys are doing well thank you all of us doing fantastic right guys right yeah better be bravo for the editing and animating pizza guy there you go check out youtuber white light he's very good really good I never heard of him I'm afraid I can't ominous yeah I can't study mentally I'm bored advice I guess I'd recommend this podcast if it's entertaining definitely gonna help you buy our videos absolutely I feel like I'm biased to this podcast but I recommend this 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edutainment in the afternoon I think that could have done with like a little bit of an edit there the tense is all over the place those sentences are very long winded what about that I just say don't even have this at all yeah I don't really this not much point but um it's very it's a little bit off putting though if you're not open minded it's like oh turn this off lucky all four of us are open minded so here goes yeah oh god I gave you time you did give us time on this episode of the shinobi zero three show star lord I hear you're a fan of music what do you say about it doesn't look like star lord it doesn't look like star lord at all I feel really sorry for the kid so uh it doesn't look like him at all I have no idea how long this goes on looks like j bowman that's the captain America toy wait is that oh yeah it's like pocket that's gotta be from something it is black panther it's black panther it's black panther look at him with the ears and the nose but he's pimp he's black panther with the ears that was a black panther he's off black panther that is canon black panther you know what if that's the comic book black panther I can get why people were annoyed with the adaption yeah that's that's the people are saying a newbis is it a newbis what is it from I'm not seeing dragon ball oh it's dragon ball okay what's dragon ball have to do with black panther it's did you not watch the film dragon ball is in black panther yeah there are there are magic balls in black panther that do anything you need to we don't need to do this for this piece or your metan will do it first oh my god it's blackface oh my god wait that looks like cytama did he die it's black panther you look like you die one there's three black panthers in this already oh you mean the moon landing thing okay wait okay his microphone it's not that it's bad he's like is he too close to it or something no he's got it turned up really high so it's picking up loads of like interference and just general like white noise yeah because there's sounds like this it sounds like he's not got permission to make videos of his parents they have to do it really quietly like later it's like when peeperl whispers but they're not really whispering sassy pizza it's just like the worst smr they've ever heard wait hold up I don't want to go back and see what black panthers say to one another oh no it's the narrative alex what do you say about death metal now let's see will I destroy you in a blink of an eye or your mother will do it first that shining is one huge lie you mean a moon landing thing okay I'm not I don't really get it but sure I don't get it either but now I know I don't I know what there is for me to not get now no it's because it's called a shining but there are no shiny pokemon in it you're joking right I am really trying to compose myself right now um I don't want to skip in case we jump over something that context I don't want to skip but everybody's made some cringy skits in their life right except me because I made a thing to never make skits this is my past I'm enjoying this I'm fine with it I'm not the more this lady does the film so he's already won true I find this more entertaining on the movie yeah I just want to now I want to be a nice girl and get back home at 10 o'clock but uh 10 o'clock I get that joke because Thanos is the dad and it's like you know like when you when your when your daughters dating a guy and you're like hey I don't know that actually it's a common American trope I'm neither a dad nor a daughter so I hope my car isn't he's not got my cringy avatar in so much how many times do I have to explain it's supposed to be crap it was supposed to be badly drawn that's not a skit that doesn't count damn it but wait wait wait I've actually said that if I was to have a do a dissection again that um I would get an artist this time around because people clearly want good drawings keep it up it's too much yeah do you guys want to see me draw terrible faces is that just the best do the weekend warrior thing yeah yeah if you want to pick on him what's that about is it because I'm Welsh do people hate the Welsh Alex what is this I would hate the Welsh why do you play a wand one of the dinosaurs is called Margaret it's one of the most unrealistic movies I've seen in my life ow you mean how they got all these pop culture icons of different licenses in one movie no I'm talking about being able to use these VR sets for more than 5 minutes whenever it notes it's physically impossible okay I get it I sort of get it but it's not funny I'm just kidding here's the thing about jokes here's the thing about jokes folks jokes are funny, jokes are great if they're funny yeah the voice is a whore off of me I'm not giggling from it anymore yeah if your jokes aren't funny then then don't do them there's nothing worse than that okay one thing that I have to ask if you're going to do a response to a nostalgia critic you might get a couple of people who are interested in this this is probably the worst way to introduce new people to your film reviews they'll just be like this feels like a firewall to me and he's like I don't want people to actually watch my video well you're not open minded you degenerate pizza hit him at the front with this bullshit then people will just click away I would pop it at the end personally just so you can sort of throw in your thing at the end now the conclusion I wonder what the music is that's the most fascinating bit about that oh he's still going oh no sorry I think this is I remember seeing this so this is like the idea is that he is that character with the teeth and that these guys are recording him making his video yeah I got it I get it alright I do all together a bit of stop-mo ideally the cameras in the same place every frame you know joystick box sequels where audio has been adjusted for the comfort of your ears thank you that's very kind of you thank you maybe adjusted further always seen as bad symbols by the public of course the re-jointed park fans didn't hate it do you just think the real Jurassic Park fans didn't hate it oh no oh shut down not a good opening can't move a man I just want to make sure joystick box sequels were always seen as bad symbols by the public of course the re-jointed park fans didn't hate them yeah I love that use of the word real that needs to be stricken from my language if I ever make a video I need to never say rich they're the credit they're the real deal they understand the films you're not a real fan unless you unconditionally enjoy every entry into the franchise absolutely that's how it works by the public of course the re-jointed park fans didn't hate them but that was it they weren't just bad movies that was pretty much it kick v contrary to v's not currently here by the public of course the re-jointed park fans didn't hate them but that was it they weren't just bad movies that was pretty much it that was bad movies I was watching Jurassic World and I said Sarkhan what are you doing if anyone doesn't know v this just won't work as a joke but hey oh my god you need some titles some titles but that was it they weren't just bad movies that was pretty much it but then Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom came along and oh my god from the horrendously fake and unconvincing dialogue to the outlandishly terrible character is this the prince from Untangle he's very aesthetically useful for a Disney film I'd say yeah is this Aladdin he's prince charming obviously decisions and motivation Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom is not good actually it's pretty bad but there was a clip but the guy shinobi just said that they were bad movies a moment he's already established these people are not the real fans okay oh yeah he's branded them the Jurassic Park type well hey speaking of rat feces do you want to talk more about Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom or whatever this is so beyond stupid f**k you film f**k you don't have any faith in your audience's brains hey it's me couldn't even try to write something better than that you cannot tell me that this is a good movie you can't you f**k can't I'm not even a f**king third of the way finished with a damn plot yet and we're at the point where I was ready to walk out of the f**king theater this movie was f**king dreadful surely you must have seen the same movie there can't actually be anyone in the world that watched this f**king retarded nonsense and actually thought this was unironically well written so hey we got our wolf cameo there he is alright I know he's trying to bring this up but I'll say it now yes I saw the latest update for the designer wolf yes I know he's going through a lot of times yes he saw that he's apologised but that doesn't change how I see his review my critique remain unchanged but then why have this he mentioned that in his apology review as well he stands by the me wolf and all these other people made bad videos on Fallen Kingdom what is the dealier did I miss a meeting or something did the entire world wake up one day and decide ok let's say draw support well the day at least yeah kind of conspiracy we held a meeting did I wake up one day well it was a specific day the release day specifically the day it was released to the public in theatre it's not like it was a beloved movie then suddenly everyone hated it 100% critics unanimously loved it and then one day I woke up and they all f**king hated it let me actually check Jurassic world Fallen Kingdom let's just go run tomatoes through a little aggregate here so it looks like on the tomato meter the average review score from critics is at 48% the average rating is a 5.5 out of 10 and the audience score is 51% like it so it's still better than the last Jedi which is still better than the last Jedi it's above that so hey he got that no no no no no memes aside I both definitely s**t on the entire heritage of their franchises but I think fake fans spotted honestly are you leading up to saying that it's worse than the last Jedi no I think they are equals what would you say is worse rags Alex out of those two I haven't watched all of Jurassic World I've seen like 4 or 5 reviews I feel like I've seen the whole damn thing but I would rather watch Jurassic World than the last Jedi because the last Jedi makes me sad it's a tough call I admit which one's longer definitely lost Jedi that's 2-2 hours yeah I've watched Jurassic World it's way better than the last time yeah it's done that's the yeah that's an agreement then fine yeah trash the Jurassic Park movies what's the deal did I jump to another dimension while I was asleep this just boggles my mind seriously did you not remember that 2 was like really s**t every one of them has been trashed it was not like the first 3 were like masterpieces and then like the side cold and got a lot of s**t for no reason they've been cascading down a lot of people shot on Jurassic World 1 when it came out too that film did well and I think a lot of people did love it including I think Mike from Red Dead Media really liked it I can't remember either him or Jay did I wouldn't be surprised I think he liked it in an almost like shlock kind of way cause he said he watched it in the theater and he saw what's his face on the motorcycle with all the raptors running next to him and he said sold I have to see this but yeah I've said it a couple of times but I stand by like the only good one is the first one then it's complicated just how bad they all are but I think Fallen Kingdom is easily the worst like it's not even like oh it's kind of the worst like no easily it's nothing right with Fallen Kingdom nothing makes sense because after the first one you got between 3 that you go to beat which one is worse or whatever and then the Fallen well Jurassic World 1 & 2 Fallen Kingdom again if it gets worse they're a whole new they're a whole new tier of bad yeah they really are but this man disagrees and he's going to provide possible counters the amount of vicious attacks this movie has received it sounds pickably idiotic we have those who try to sound smart thinking they know what they're talking about how do you expect us to take a battle in the premises of these people who sound smart I kind of agree we might not disagree with this one in fairness I agree he tries to sound smart maybe he might maybe he fucked up in his right so movies are built on such stupid ideas others who are just idiotically nitpicking on everything like also it has a yellow stripe so I got a story connected to this let's play the full context for you folks first idiotically nitpicking on everything like also it has a yellow stripe how is this an improvement so he said idiotic nitpicking do you say idiotic nitpicking? yeah he played the clip as if I'm saying you take a dinosaur then you take another dinosaur yellow stripe how is that an improvement that's dumb you know it's like why are you trying to argue that a yellow stripe is an improvement anyway so it does kind of look like a nitpick but if you go to my video and I posted this in a comment my videos that section they say that the Indominus Raptor is better than the Indominus Rex they say it's an improvement and yet it doesn't have the camo that the first one has where it can basically become invisible it can mix in with any environment and you can't even see it it cannot be scanned by thermal scanners it's immune to that I don't know why but it is it's huge and I think that's basically why it's so threatening obviously with being a super aggressive and so this new one is smaller it doesn't have those benefits and it's aggressive and it's tied to that gun with the laser sighting thing so it's kind of like that seems like a downgrade too and so I said all those things and then I said oh and it has a yellow stripe for me trying to tell you that they are the differences and then I said so how is this an improvement so do you understand the context I'm trying to stack up all the attributes well it's quite clearly cherry picking from the fact that the sentence he's taken from your analysis begins with the word also which suggests to me that you've got some previous arguments well this is the interesting part I put a comment there and he said when he saw my video that's not what he heard he did that's not what he watched it he thought that's what I was saying he didn't realize well that's what this guy's hearing it's like when you start a clip off when you're when you start a clip off where it says like in addition to those 17 other I don't like it's face I'm sorry yeah I was like you're just nitpicking and so for someone being like all these people are idiotically hate I was like that's not a good start mate like the first thing you do is take me out of context like come on and this is the thing if I was to rewatch my Jurassic All in Kingdom video again I could probably counter a couple of arguments I make like it's probably not impossible but don't start with that that's not a good good look but anyway I think I think Wolf is the next candidate on this slab so here we go assholes like I'm sure the mental gymnastics require to defend these terrible movies will increase ten fold for this one and believe me the mental gymnastics are gonna have to get a lot better because oh boy does shit get retorted real soon and then we have so yeah but all he's really saying is that people are gonna have to really try hard to defend it yeah like you get harder than they've ever tried before a normal conversation people like why did this guy do this thing and you go oh because of this scene where he said he would do this and you go okay and then if there's no scene like that then you go oh well if you've read the book then you extrapolate from this this scene in the book where he says this and you take it over and just like whoa your brain is flying all over the place to make an argument and that's all that's all Wolf is talking about I imagine that's cool people retarded and so you might be able to stand on a moral high ground and say hey you can't do that but this guy's already said that we're idiots I believe well actually you can't that's the thing about being retarded is that you can't take a moral high ground by criticizing somebody else for calling somebody else retarded because then you're agreeing with him that being it's bad to be retarded that's that's that you don't even need to go to that length rags god this guy is like yeah I'm calling him retarded are you saying there's something wrong with being retarded is everyone pressing F for Wolf? Wolf is okay he's fine yeah Wolf's fine he's just he's fine he's taking a break this just me damn you J laughing is not right I'm not sure what the argument here is but what's the point he's trying to make here that he cut up what is probably a 20-minute review just to have the laugh so that's to interpret what you can from that how to remove all context from a video 101 well I mean we already know the context will be Mike says something funny and Jay laughs at it oh no they're clearly idiotic if you cut up this very stream you'll be able to have a clip set of us just laughing so please don't do that that'll betray EFAP for what it truly is terrifying the first one it's not even a bad laugh it's like a standard laugh he's just laughing because Mike's funny and they're talking about a bad movie and we can confirm objectively that Mike's the classer is funny that is an objective fact I'm convinced Jurassic World is the good movie based off of that clip I'm convinced to Shinobi's idea but think of all the joy that it brought to the world also this clip is suitable at the end of that but not for the reasons Shinobi's using it like what the fuck was that why did you play a montage if it's a bad thing if someone laughing it's like that's weird it's a big bang theory what you can't laugh is that actually what you're saying real fans don't laugh seriously you can't replace every one of these reviews with this these movies are wanker the people who made it are wankers everybody who liked it is a wanker don't forget to wank the sub button I've never seen such a straw man that's a pretty big straw man coming from blackface that's not a good look that's a pretty good impersonation of you more though he's got that down my eyes aren't as white what the fuck is that if you watch this scene from the perspective of a true Jurassic Park that's the other thing about these people few of you here the real fans or the true fans are the ones who play with the little dinosaur toys they're like you know wait wait wait are you saying that the guy who makes this video plays with toys apparently wanker isn't bad enough to censor by the way because he's been censoring swear words why would you I don't know where you got the information that the guy who made this video has just a bunch of toys and action figures fans send me this stuff and they're like I saw that he was actually using clips so I was like oh so he's making arguments he does in part 2 make some arguments but I skipped to the end of this one that's the context where he talks about the problem with film criticism on youtube and that's kind of the part I want to get to but I didn't realize we had to go through so let's just let's just power through this is worse than being a fan of the transformers movies oh god you're not saying he is that's pretty bad I mean I'm not proud of every fat bob done but I mean you're allowed to be a fan of transformers don't think that's what we're saying it's just he's right it would be tough to be a fan of the transformers movies that would be a natural phase we all go through it you know what's interesting too is that I've been listening to a lot of Fallout 76 reviews as I'm kind of putting my own together and it's very interesting how many of them almost across the board have the phrase it's okay to like it but it always fell into the butt but generally if all of these reviews for a product say but no it's okay to like it that's not a good sign I'm going to start off with that because then it's like oh how are you categorizing that what things are not okay to like oh well that's the logic right nothing is not okay to like I guess Fallout 76 is better than being a pedophile and he's right they are the things that you would say it's not okay to like so it's not in that category it's in the other category with everything that really narrows it down this is almost philosophical how do we quantify what is and is not allowed to be liked there will be this a philosophy podcast thank you shinobi for exploring this subject with us it's like I'm the only one in the world who really liked Fallen Kingdom it's absurd he said it's absurd he might be he said it's absurd it's straw bad but then again I shouldn't be surprised because critics didn't like the original Jurassic Park movie back in the day Jurassic Park has a number of peak thrills oh wait wait did you say critics didn't like Jurassic Park back in the day it was correct me if I'm wrong but it broke records or did it not Jurassic Park record review it is Roger Ebert gave it a 3 out of 4 Jurassic World broke a record I can't remember if Jurassic Park did well I guess I'm saying yes there would have been people who didn't like Jurassic Park I don't think it was disliked as much as World or World 2 but either way both of those are irrelevant anyway critics hated the original here look a single video of someone saying something about it let's go back to the last Jedi hey it's okay that people hate the last Jedi because everyone hated Empire Strikes Back when that came out it's like okay one even if that's true who the fuck cares this movie that movie like it's not it's what about what does that even prove people dislike good things okay you know what else wasn't popular when it came out the Wizard of Oz I thought you were gonna say like Black Plague or something Blade Runner Blade Runner yeah that's true Blade Runner wasn't popular at all and see that's the thing we could just do it for him we could be like yes there are things that come out that are good that aren't popular that's true but then you're talking about things that can develop a cult following over time I don't think this mainstream popcorn piece of shit movie is gonna build like develop a cult following no and I don't think people's opinion of it are gonna magically change anytime soon or at all yeah it's not like it's campy or that it's a slice of the times that it was made in or that it's really memeable or it's saying something very controversial about society yeah or it's so bad it's good it just seems to be from what I've seen just a bad movie but you know I agree with you Shinobi that there are films that are good that come out that get bad reviews but that's not what's happening with Fallen Kingdom it is generally not at the level of the attacks in Jaws and it has moments of real wonder but when the animals are off screen the film really lags that wasn't true if you think about it with Jaws which had three marvelous characters hunting the shark Jurassic Park only has goblum the rest of the crew stands around and smiles I'm sorry Jean Siskel is not he's not he's not just right no matter what he says the characters in Jurassic Park are strong as fuck yeah this is borderline argument from authority fallacy but I mean he's not saying that Jean Siskel is right I guess he's just saying that look he's a big guy and he said it yeah he's pretty trying to he's leading one in that direction still thumbs up for me the action scenes are and look we gave a thumbs up thumbs up critics absolutely hated Jurassic Park when it came out thumbs up before the action scenes and I feel that really this movie though is a missed opportunity because what he doesn't have here and what I really missed from a movie by Spielberg like Close Encounters of the Third Kind is the sense of awe the sense of majesty these creatures are back and it's amazing alright so do you think that Close Encounters of the Third Kind filled you with a sense of awe and majesty but Jurassic Park didn't I was gonna say that Jurassic Park is quite quite an awish yeah the correct term here is awesome film it's full of awe well it's got lots of awe in it well it's full of awe it's full of awe that's what aweful means that's true right away after an opening shot that has a little of that yes it does a little of that in the opening shot the one with the Velociraptor in a cage well is that awe because to me awe is more like when they see the Brachiosaurus for the first time yeah yeah yeah because the opening shot I don't know if he's on about that but the opening shot is just the Velociraptor the horror film then yeah that's more horror you're not going to fucking bullet from that you're fucking shit your pants you know when the T-Rex like bursts out of its cage as much as that's scary it's also like holy shit look at that but if he didn't feel it he didn't feel it we've evolved as critics but yeah you know fine it's just the he's referencing scenes in which that would be felt and I think there's more than just that yeah basically into a monster picture where the dinosaurs are chasing everybody they want to eat you maybe he wanted a movie where it was just safe and they just go around seeing the dinosaurs and it's nice nah he's got Godzilla clearly you know about the fact that there's some big lizards in the kitchen I don't know if they're eaten they definitely get attacked no they don't get eaten but they are they tend to have people they're parodied I was going to say cabbie but I was like no that's the wrong thing anyway but based on the promotional material I was expecting a wistful rom-com but little did I know it was a fucking monster movie I'm trying to be as kind with benefit of the doubt as possible here I'm trying to think of what movie you wanted because it's how far into Jurassic Park is it when the dinosaurs actually break free is it halfway through there's a bit of a set up first one yeah yeah do you remember the bit where they're in the field with all of the like the flock of whatever they are dinosaurs and like Sam Neal's character just blown away by it I wish they went for kind of like you know we're back a dinosaur story kind of tone did I ever see that what did you say sorry we're back a dinosaur story oh right it's got John Goodman in it that's where oh and Jay Leno yeah do you see that cow oh bloody hell it's a gap in my history now yeah you're not a Jurassic World fan or Jurassic Park fan you haven't seen we're back there you go Gallimimus that's the ones that yeah so the start of Jurassic Park is it's kind of slow I guess but they're building character which is quite important I think because whenever I was getting chased by like flesh eating dinosaurs you kind of need to give a shit hey Al sorry to interrupt but have you seen Theodore Rex oh my god that's the true Jurassic movie it's a real sequel you're not a real fan if you haven't seen that that shit is lit to say the least oh that's a thing oh actually actually I thought I kind of interrupted you I was just I was just being a dick about them actually doing some character building in the original movie oh yeah that's boring yeah not a real fad if you like the way that doesn't work more dinosaurs more monsters more blood did you want to say something Alex or are we carrying on I'll go ahead okay running away and there's lots of action and lots of screaming but there's no not really any opportunity to really give these creatures their do it's almost like the movie doesn't have any respect for the intelligence of the audience that they might oh come on I respectfully disagree character development no no the smart people want to see dinosaurs um yeah I wanted my blockbuster movie to be more of a documentary yeah you go walking with dinosaurs go watch that you'll be right there's lots of awe in that go watch that other dinosaur movie the what like the disney one the animated one it's just called dinosaur yeah with a monkey oh right yeah yeah oh like that yeah you're the fucking meteor and shit what's a fucking meteor got the meteor and the monkeys I like that shit bring back to media and Jurassic wales well look at the volcano you're right really be interested in dinosaurs instead of just in the action we could have we could have used more scenes you're right of of on and that's well I think you're just right see it so if this was being said by a critic right now like to me I just be like where in the what how would you change the film you get those scenes in where would you put them and what would they be of I like wouldn't mind some more specifics because it seems very just like yeah I want more of this like okay can't really do anything with that but you know fair enough it's just a generalization it's not there's you need to be way more specific we had if anything these reviews like the one at the bottom um yeah there's no poetry little sense of wonder no resonance subtext Jungian or otherwise or the fuck that means no art when it's over it's gone extinct and now here we are in 2018 fondly talking about how amazing the first dress apart always oh yeah yeah I can see him now for you being wrong not everyone can see the future and you missed this one you missed that hold on though even if people hated the first one and then they said the first one's good compared to this one that would still be valid like that's still consistent if they're saying let's say the first one is a 3 out of 10 this one's a 1 out of 10 then that's what they would say but I mean I'd be hard pressed to find somebody who thinks the first dress apart is like dog shit like I don't know anybody who hates it that much I think I'd be tough there's gonna be somebody J Scott gave it 25 well we should have J on the podcast J Scott if you're still alive and you're watching this he's in Toronto we want to talk about your review from fucking 1993 uninteresting characters all action and no wonder insults the audience's intelligence this is not relevant to Fallen Kingdom even if it's true yeah 4 average reviews 75, 75, 70, 70 I mean those are decent yeah and even still is like what about all the good reviews how many of them are there and I mean this doesn't matter anyway the reviews that it got at the time don't mean it's good or bad yeah could get to the argument I can't forget a 99 or something it's almost the same thing everybody says about Fallen Kingdom how ironic a Christian science monitor have saved up the dinosaurs wait what was what was ironic yeah he said insults the audience's intelligence and merely a monster movie it's almost the same thing everybody says about Fallen Kingdom Roger even was not alive for Fallen Kingdom right website maybe that might be it these are these are for the first movie these are from Jurassic Park well he's saying that it's the same thing for Fallen Kingdom is what he just said maybe he's saying these reviews are similar to the ones okay I'm not 100% sure I'm happy to just skip over because I'm confused how ironic to further prove the absurdity of the situation one of the complaints about this movie that I wasn't aware of until it was brought to my attention is the lack of dinosaur accuracy yeah it depends doesn't it if the dinosaurs could fly it might you know distract you a bit like if the t-rex just zooms off that would be an example of the accuracy getting it away would it not with what we know about dinosaurs today compared with what they knew about dinosaurs especially in 1993 we know that they were like a lot of them were covered in feathers and they were warm-blooded and all sorts of stuff like this I wasn't aware that dinosaurs had skin that prevented lava from affecting them because there's one that gets splashed by it in the film and he's fine that part just confused me no it's not the dinosaurs just that you see lava back in the day it wasn't as intense as it is now this is the future it's based in 2018 well millions of years ago there was more oxygen in the air it would burn out quicker as it flew through the air so it would be cooler when it finally reached you so you need to factor in that lava is obviously going to evolve over time and probably become more ferocious now or less ferocious it wouldn't necessarily become more ferocious it would adapt to fit its environment and we don't like lava so it would adapt to become more friendly yeah so you walk up to lava and it would be like how is your day it doesn't take this argument into account at all so it would survive an hour climate it gets a few extra chromosomes and then bang it's like a much friendlier version of lava and this is the specific argument that destroys this if you remember in Star Wars lava did not kill Anakin so it's not that bad and that was based a long long time ago so imagine how useless lava is today considering it was that useless back then lava's got half life exactly but yeah just one serious comment he said like to prove how ridiculous it is people are saying that is this review saying the movie is bad because of this or is it just pointing out inaccuracies all we got here is they asked an expert yeah they said we asked an expert and they said it's not very realistic especially the t-rex because it wasn't apparently angry is that all yes this was a major complaint among many and as much as I'd like to love to fully feather dinosaurs pecking the prey to death seems like Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom has chosen entertainment instead of accuracy I'm assuming that's what it says these were all the smart scientists on the planet only problem is being wrong that seems fine to me he's not said the film is terrible as a result I don't even care if it's accurate or not this is a little shit film that's the funny thing not the bone that people are picking on with it yeah I've never seen in any of the reviews they were like dinosaurs should be a little bit different shaped and they should be more brownish and they should have feathers my name is Roger Ebert by the way dinosaurs are extinct it's kind of intelligent they do have a throwaway line in the first film I don't know if you guys remember but they say something like I've been working on changing the DNA I even made it so they're less accurate to how they should look just to make them look more scary they have a throwaway line to account for the fact that they're not aesthetically the way they should be from what I remember well yeah it's because they had to fill in the gap with the DNA with female frogs so it's not going to be 100% they deliberately changed it themselves so that it wouldn't have feathers at least I get that from the dialogue I'd have to look at it again I can't remember but none of the lost raptors in the film had some feathers just on their heads and I have a feeling that that was them being like let's course correct and try to bring it in and then this film was like nah you might not have to because you could use the whole thing remember the point of the original is that they started breeding because they used frog DNA and some frogs can kind of change their sex and so they looked a little bit more like lizard like frog DNA so they didn't have feathers, they had scales and stuff, not the frogs do but you could pass it all like hybrids as much as I would like to agree with the person with him saying come on accuracy to dinosaurs shouldn't be why the movie's bad I don't even know this guy's argument that we're looking at, you know, so far he's only said it seems to me this article is designed to tell you what's inaccurate about the dinosaurs and that's it which is fine many people about this movie and I'm like where were you for the past 25 years or so? That guy might have actually done an article on the first film too he might not have been old enough he might not have been old enough this is a thing, they were it's a common thing to discuss the inaccuracies of Jurassic Park's dinosaurs, that's a thing people have done it that's not new for this film and besides I don't think I even mentioned that in my video nor did Wolf from from memory because it's not really a contentious issue from what I remember but hey the dinosaurs in these movies were never accurate, hell you could say they were inaccurate the moment Michael Crackton chose to name the dinosaurs Velociraptor instead of Dynonicus just because it sounded cooler and catchier, yes I don't disagree, yeah these are actually Dynonicus which made things a bit complicated when they decided to include actual Dynonicus to the front I think that's from Jurassic World Evolution high five but yes, I agree did people forget the highly inaccurate dinosaurs from the first movie? I guess because that became so ingrained in pop culture it became acceptable because there were inaccuracies in the past, it's just a free pass now, yeah no inaccuracies will have a matter again okay, cool I mean this guy's name is Shinobi Shinobi is Japanese for ninja and that's not what ninjas were hmm, that's true and I don't remember a ninjas in his earlier videos he made some pretty wild inaccuracies some earlier so you can't criticize these ones yeah, and I'm fine with you I like the, I remember when gravity came out and there was a bunch of people talking about here's how space works, now that everybody's interested in space and gravity and orbiting and satellites now's a good chance to teach people about it because it's currently kind of topical I thought you were saying like when the law of gravity came out I'm so glad I didn't know how to get the word before that oh man job gravity made it do you guys remember gravity like version one it was just a fucking nightmare everything stuck to the ground people were like clipping through balls things were multiplying that thing needed a beta yeah, nobody can fly anymore it's bullshit please confirm this, did it run better than 4.76 it did but yeah, you're right if they release something this specific and interesting, some people might be like hey I want to look into that and again it definitely happened with Jurassic Park I remember conversations about Jurassic Park being like so were the dinosaurs even accurate though and it was a contention because it was like the movie's so fucking good it's like you have the dinosaurs aren't even accurate what? because I wasn't old enough none of us were old enough to remember the contemporary discussions about the film that came out in 93 but there was the third one and the second one and the third one came out and we were around for those there were like McDonald's Happy Meals and they would have stuff like that it would be on posters and things I remember when Pokemon 2000 came out and people were like can bugs really talk? come on people get on their knees going right up next to Asco can you hear me Jerry? tell me if there's any grasshoppers they'll buy I'll save you but really after all this time now does everybody decide to point that out in the fifth movie not the last did anyone get a sound there and that lack of Harry Potter and the Half-Block Prince was my first Harry Potter movie and complained that none of the characters were witch hats? yeah no that's a fair criticism they should be wearing some of the way witch hats right? they do but it's more formal wherever Harry Potter don't talk about Harry Potter fuck off that's kind of stereotypical for wizardgy bigot also I think that's a weird consideration it's like citing genuine history from fossils versus the accuracy of wizards and witches it sounds like you're talking about something that was a choice of the characters in the movie and something that wasn't it's clothing it's not biology listen don't you hate it when you see a Mexican character in a film and they're not wearing a sombrero that is so inaccurate doesn't that piss you off totally inaccurate? I saw an Irish guy in a show once and he was sober absolutely ridiculous I mean your complaint is more precedent because this is literally a choice of clothing that's not that's weird it's not Mali's fault he's an alcoholic he didn't choose that he was born that way I really hope he's got better stuff I think we get into the good stuff and since I'm like the only one paying attention here are a couple of reminders regarding the creatures of this franchise dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago what is left of them is fossilized in the rock I'm going to have to pause everyone so I want to make sure we don't get strikes because otherwise the stream goes down forever and it is in the rock that real scientists make real discoveries also by the way he sounds like Green Goblin doing this with a video doesn't actually change anything the bots will discover it either way I don't know if he's doing it as a sort of style choice to be like now we're watching clips but you may as well just make a full screen it doesn't do anything John Hammond an in-gen data Jurassic Park is create genetically engineered theme park the film fucking acknowledges this let's move on if he's actually arguing that it makes sense that they're inaccurate then why did he have all that shit in the beginning about how they've been inaccurate the whole time like why don't you just move on to say that's part of the film's narrative so never mind by the way if you are looking for a good book the Jurassic Park novel is quite good oh and on top of everything else I don't know the arguments for the inaccuracies for the dinosaurs in Fallen Kingdom I'd be interested I don't know what they are I'd have to go find them how come this Asian guy doesn't have chopsticks see that's the same as a wizard in his wand that's basically the same so stupid oh maybe I could find us all for you now in Jurassic World wow rags you say that when this character's on screen that's fucked up oh sorry it didn't refresh for me you're a racialist sir I was talking about Sam Neil oh it just caught up to me any excuse we have always filled gaps in the genome with the DNA of other animals and if their genetic code was pure yeah this is the thing I was talking about he says we've changed them to make them more within line of what the producers want of the park I mean it's not different but you didn't ask for reality you asked for more tea I never asked for a monster are you from Ireland? I never asked for a monster there's still a limit though like I said if the t-rex had wings and flew away we would be like what the fuck yeah at this point we're just talking about I don't know well that's the thing I don't know what we're talking about because he hasn't shown the argument he's just responded to it and again I'm just like okay to a canary a cat is a monster that's true okay so I hate when films do this it's like obviously this is from the point of view of human beings because we're both humans talking about this and human civilization yeah I know he's just being pathetic he's like well when you're not going to get certain people they're not human so certain people they're regardless human anyway oxygen is a monster it goes in and does stuff and comes out and every person it does that too ends up dead so that's why you kill like Quinton would talk about how you shouldn't humanize Jews a specific Jew not all of them God you just that's what you do Rex you straw man that's how you go after these innocent cherubs like Quanton Quinton imagine if suddenly Robert has spotted feathers in this movie how would they all react to that that's pretty cool yeah I mean there's a certain charm to be had with realistic depictions also I think it would genuinely this is just a random take but like I think it would be pretty cool to see it as a sort of maybe not a reboot but being like ah they've got a whole new set of ones based on the fact that they have fur or feathers yeah they literally described it as an update and just gone with it and they could look like more like monsters from a monster hunter but I don't care that's not the point I don't think that's the point now this is not the hell that people die on to argue about this film yeah this whole rant on this whole thing that he's doing is a spiel that nobody cares about because nobody I've never seen anyone body make the argument that this movie is bad because the dinosaurs aren't fluffy yeah I've not come across that one I'm sure there's like a probably niche YouTuber channel out there like who talks about the dinosaur films and talks about the inaccuracies but like that's also like you know for more people who like to like delve into it like properly but this is I guess if you lay out in front of you and then kind of thought yeah I can probably argue this one and then just chose to focus on this one bullshit thing that no one cares about oh wait it happened with the raptors in Jurassic Park 3 and nobody called them ugly and questioned the continuity error it's made people did they did they everyone everyone everyone I mean I'm not I'm not expected into the show like five clips of everyone like saying that but then Jurassic World or Jurassic Park 3 wasn't it didn't come out when youtuber or critic reviews or ever was a thing really was it like you think so yeah no so it's not going to be something that like has lots of people covering it now I guess but obviously there's like nostalgia people or whatever but whatever Jurassic Park 3 came out in 2001 yeah that's old for YouTube anyway well yeah yeah definitely YouTube's 2004 yeah yeah yeah it wasn't even a YouTube figure yeah so you had like yeah fuck it whatever he's cool he's clearly talking about traditional reviewers out traditional I know I know but like it's a meme I'm talking about I'm not sure if you're aware oh sorry um Patrick Williams said the only people he likes a traditional review is oh that's that's some actual level gay keeping that's yeah to give you a bit more of a laugh you know he cited as an example of a YouTube one as Mark Brown would it movie Bob oh fuck off fuck off yeah he did it I did I thought it was gonna be like some pretension behind and all that fucking like joke not a meme human you're watching a movie not a documentary even documentaries don't get everything right about them I agree you know a lot of my a lot of my books have been about sort of science gone wrong oh it's Michael Crichton cool and I'm always surprised that anybody takes it seriously when Jurassic Park came out wait what I'm assuming he talks about the specific science because taking his story seriously is is that the point obviously he wants us to take the story seriously because it has a point and a message but I would be curious what the question is that he's responding to yeah that'd be interesting there was a there was a congressman introduced legislation banning any research and here we are in 2018 and that's like a legit thing we might be able to do soon what now like to find DNA into reconstruct creatures from it that will probably be possible pretty soon like that's the thing that happens a lot of the times when ideas first come out they're ridiculous and stupid but then time goes on and then all of a sudden you know who would have thought that we would have been able to clone sheep and have thought control prosthetics and things like that but I mean that it's a serious thing and the I I mean it's a little messy when you think about it but eventually how are you going to do things like legislate the creation of you know creatures like this and how is the public going to you know treat it in terms of being a moral issue ethical issues you know treat in that as a we'll cross that bridge we'll be coming to it with a stressed face is like you're going to be able to genetically engineer whatever children you want soon I mean these are questions we're going to have to tackle are you oh do you know I don't mean to go on a tangent but I mean I'm sure people okay with that right now considering the podcast and this but when I worked in a tech support company as a friend of mine I had I was talked to about what you just brought up because I remember there's a news article that was saying about progress to it and I said no he said I would never use that and I was like you wouldn't he was like no a child is supposed to be born of naturally not supposed to change them until they what you consider perfect and I said to him what if the doctor says that age 50 he's going to get some kind of dibbler into like just say Parkinson's and that we can stop that we can take it out and he said well of course I was like okay that's a very natural yeah that was like okay so what about you find out that he's going to have degenerative muscles he's not too bad he's just going to be a little bit weaker than most people or something like that and that he can boost it to better than natural he can make it so that they're very strong naturally and he was like well and I was like what about if they just slow in the head if they know that they're going to be of lower intelligence they actually have an IQ sort of way to guess it would you rather push that as high as it could be or do you rather leave it low I was like you can't and he was like selecting what he wants and I was like these questions you'll get to the point where you do craft the perfect human because why wouldn't you you wouldn't you want to give them everything it's just a child like that so they like the last Jedi what you do then we can edit that out genetically it's okay I had a discussion about like AI and things is like if you made an AI would it be ethical to give it a sense of pain but what would the purpose be of doing that oh well some people like that get off on it I mean if you had the offer to lose your sense of pain I would say don't lose it it's really important like to be able to detect when you're fucking damaged so you'll detect when you're damaged without it being pain well if you have a substitute for that sure I need to hear arguments for people you were getting too deep into the what is pain pain is basically just a signal from you know your nervous system telling your brain that you're being damaged so what's the difference between humans as a queen and an AI receiving a message saying you are being damaged because because a message that says you've been damaged in pain are not the same thing but that's just down to the way I should we carry on yeah I was going to say we actually would be able to talk about this for hours because it's actually very interesting so let's talk about things that are not as interesting I held my breath hoping to see this happen but apparently somebody whispered in the guy's ear that it was just a movie you know if you're that picky about it then perhaps you should start petitioned Disney to give Rafiki a shorter tail to make him an accurate looking mandrel or petitioned Hollywood I don't know why he stayed on this point so long because there's a lot of if only he had a clip of some crazy guy being like everything needs to be 100% accurate all these films are awful and then he plays all this I'd be like okay yeah apparently but he could just like go straight into what our actual youtubers have said cut it out I would be like this reviewer said play clip of reviewer saying aforementioned thing and then I would respond to it you know because if I listened to a bunch of reviews then I wouldn't bring up something that I never heard I'm just probably thinking about it I don't know how many minutes we've been on this subject but this is quite a bit to make all space seems to be dead silence like this this is where the fun begins that's the posh between us that's not dead silence you can hear shit not only that but is he actually advocating that silence in space is bad because there's so many space movies that do it and it's awesome yeah I like it and this is the thing you'd be like so you want it to be silent in Star Wars and I'd be like one of Star Wars is its own I'm not saying god damn it it's fine it's not going to make or break a movie but it's cool when you see space being silent because you're like hey that's how it is in real life we're like yeah that's cool that's what it would be if this happened real in the reels helps me connect playing this clip a lot that's not dead silence he's actually advocating for how he's like yeah you could have an amazing soundtrack to match these moments and it could be impactful this is confusing you can have the music soundtracks till playing just not have any sound effects in space I hate to say it I hate to say it because I don't like interstellar but the lack of sound in a lot of the action packed space scenes make it very impactful I don't know what what's this going to do with the dinosaurs being good he's saying if you want everything to be super accurate then take sound out of space fights in Star Wars it's like okay that's not even specifically a bad thing videos like this need to like my CD tray needs to dispense a roadmap for the video that I'm watching but I can just spread out on my desk and I'm like okay easy it's talks about whether or not dinosaurs should have feathers he took an exit on Star Wars and now we're at Anakin giving a shit about random troopers now we're over here missiles pull up that wasn't why is he still going I get it I get it keep going keep going he's saying it's not even like honestly it's not even that bad it's kind of interesting how it's padding well the only distracting thing is the soundtrack keeps cutting in and out which is wrong it wouldn't be like that if they did it in a movie but to go into the cockpit and be like you know hear button presses and noises in terms of voices and stuff and then cut back out to outside where it's just dead silent that could be interesting especially in a horror movie by the way it's one thing if a movie was actually bad it's another thing when it's heavily misunderstood tell me if you've been through this situation for at least once in your life you go to watch a new movie you've been interested in for a long time and you've been patiently waiting for it you go you're having a good time and you think it was one of the best things you've seen in your life yeah I'm sure will four of us have a reference for that we see him film and we say that was good but then you talk about it with other people you get shocked by hearing how nobody liked it as if you saw an entirely different movie have you guys have you guys watched anything that everybody hated that you really liked yeah mother I thoroughly enjoyed that film and when it finished the credits were rolling and pretty much everyone else got up and were audibly annoyed well that was fucking shit well that was a fucking waste of time and they all just started walking out and I was just sat there and just let it wash over me and I was like I really fucking enjoyed that film and I don't give a shit what other people think like I enjoyed it so I'm not gonna it goes back to something we say constantly there's a difference between you liking it and how good it is yeah I feel like that's what we're about to delve into isn't it he's gonna talk about I think so we think he might just start talking about another completely random tangent what I was gonna lead into was if I watched a movie that I thought was amazing and then I come out of it and I go hey hey Alex, Ash, Rags, Wolf, everyone what do you think and you all go it's fucking terrible I'd be like okay why though I don't immediately go oh man they just don't let me have my opinion no it's that we don't understand that's the point he's making here is that we don't understand why it's good that just lacks self-awareness doesn't it it's like I'm sorry but there's only five feathers I can't believe it yeah he was fucking ridiculous the T-Rex was angrier than he should have been to they were insulting my intelligence that guy back there seems to be out of place yeah he's the one who tags along like could I come guys he's the male feminist ally he's looking for a moment to strike all the male feminist that's like the best superhero name super I'm just saying one of those gals is getting raped is all I'm saying and you don't understand why nobody else liked it as much as you did those who saw the movie on their own are one issue the bigger issue are those who either never saw it why did you blur their name thanks cinemasins never was gonna see the movie keep up the kick ass content ooh we're delving into it now yeah blur the name but show that face I mean yeah you may as well blur the name well that's Rick Grimes he logged into the YouTube and you made that comment this is absolutely not what I thought the movie was gonna be about trippy not one I'd watch so I'm this is gonna be like how movie reviewers will stop people from enjoying stuff let's let's watch it but they already said their opinion before they take their seats because they saw the reviews before they get to watch the movie and they watch it and phones start to finish under that one mindset like it's predetermined and because those people never oh absolutely well there will be someone on this planet who said I'm gonna go and see the last Jedi watched my series and went I am now not gonna see it because it's bad and this guy could be like wow that's fucked up because the last Jedi's good and then I'd be like but it's not and then that could be talked about but um that's not even like like out of all the people who've ever watched my videos cinema sins or whoever else like this it's gonna be all over the shop you'll have people who say I'm not gonna watch the last Jedi they watch Major Lee's video and then they go I'm gonna watch it and then they watch it and they go wow that was a waste of money so what about them you're gonna criticize them too those people who do positive reviews like for example positively reviewing Fallen Kingdom and tricking people into giving them money see that what about that perform their own opinion and just repeat what everybody says they spread also there is a difference between absorbing a reviewer's opinion and making it your own and looking to them for advice on what films to see or keeping it in mind and remembering their critique not everybody's a millionaire and so they have to spend their money wisely when they go see films and if say for example they tend to agree with with me or rags or whoever else on our film taste and we say yeah go see X don't go see why then they'll be like all right I'll go see X and that's there's nothing wrong with that like it's all context so you know their false ideas among even more comedy review channel that points out flaws in all good movies good and bad this exact same thing done by to the point it becomes the normal line of thinking and anybody who says a different opinion is marked as the odd one and those who I was gonna say because the one these comments represent the millions of people who go watch these films it seems like a very narrow viewpoint right now a different opinion is marked as the odd one and with those who this movie sucks it's too long there's no action I simply do not care what the characters are doing everyone in the show is replaceable we don't watch home videos with mom anymore oh they made her a drunk they made her a drunk they made her a drunk they made her a drunk they made her a drunk wow because she didn't like the film you can't watch it with her anymore this exact same thing in reverse you don't let people with opinions are different than yours so shinobi here is that dude looking quite upset and we are all the alcoholic mother I think that's for the alcoholic mother this guy is these two I almost got some good tips I don't know she's drinking what is that spread these ideas are seen as gospel review sorry and with those who spread these ideas are seen as gospel reviewers because they have over a million subs with millions don't put us on the same level gospel review my video is right how many people have you heard say cinema sins is bullshit versus cinema sins is right about everything I've never heard anyone actually say cinema sins is right about everything but I hear a lot of people saying that people treat them like he's right about everything that's unfortunate for them that's unfortunate for them I'm sure I've mentioned this to you before as well I used to have a friend who used to watch every video by yatsi and then would then pretend that he knows all of that said games that yatsi covered even though he didn't own any of the current gen consoles except a wee at the time and he'd be like alright how do you know that you have no accessibility to play in this game I get where he's going there was kind of people annoying why are you pitching a fight with these audiences someone said the context for this joke is they're watching a family video as in these are the people in the video we don't watch home videos we don't watch home videos with mom I get it now oh I see that changes it well then she's just an asshole yeah the mom saying everybody in the family is replaceable she's drunk is like alright that makes more sense thinking about it this is just a comic about a troubled mother who needs help this is about familial strife I'm really struggling to find the connection this little dinosaur in the background it's like there you go I hope he gets it someone's the punchline is that she's actually going through a lot of strife and that we need to be very serious my dad's going to punch her she could punch him look at her she's clearly clocked a few balls already yeah I know so videos a day they think they have the monopoly of the truth and they never get things wrong and they're free if you find somebody who says they have the monopoly on the truth they never get things wrong then they're bullshit who the fuck says that though well he has to count the monopoly doesn't he because he has the real truth doesn't he who is saying they have the monopoly on truth but he's the real Jurassic Park fan man the only one single Jurassic Park will he woke up one day and the whole world had turned against him oh jeez one day he sat outside wearing a Jurassic Park t-shirt and he got pelted with stones and knives and everything he got pelted with knives and threw their knives at him he was like what's going on I thought everybody loved the Jurassic Park I was just doing an impression I don't know what race this guy is haven't you heard you're not allowed to do that now apu is the petitioning apu to be removed from Simpsons for that oh okay did I not do a good impression no it's just race it's cultural appropriation it's not your accent you can't take it even though the accent I'm using is not local to my area but it's fine because people don't know that no it's not is it but no you don't want to be talking about this well to be fair he is an action figure and I'm a cartoon pizza so who would win in a fight you'd rot before the fight had so epic rap battle history to trash and insult everyone from the people who genuinely like these movies all those who yeah that's bad and they shouldn't do that but it happens both ways fucking majorly ripped into people who didn't like the last Jedi for no other reason than they didn't like the last Jedi it's just like it happens both ways and it's bad if it happens I did that in this video you called you made a distinction between the true fans I'm pretty sure you said I make idiotic nitpicks which isn't exactly a compliment mate you're an idiotic nitpicker idiotic because you don't know the truth you're not a true Jurassic Park fan nitpick yeah to walk on them like they have the for right to do so like they have the oh shit we got a wolf here we go here we go guys all those who walked on them like they have the for right to do so this is the kind of dumbass where you'd expect from someone who has literal down syndrome he's very clever he's very clever he's a very very smart man look they do have the right to say whatever they want about anybody that's the thing now I would have shamed them for saying this I don't know if we should put this out there or not but if you ask wolf what the context from saying that was he might stand by the fact that the people who wrote Fallen Kingdom were dumbasses he probably would stand by that but for Mike and Jay sarcastically referring to Colin Trevor as a smart man what do you want them to do what's their punishment what should it be yeah what's the price because they don't have the right to say that choose your punishment red letter media it's funny because they've said way worse shit than that yeah why and how are these idiots getting writing jobs in Hollywood if they tell you this movie sucks then that means they're white well I mean he gave arguments he didn't just he didn't just insult it the whole video was 20 seconds long they just then said oh Jurassic World sucks we end I like the wolf is clearly back on eFap now he's getting to throw his comments in in fairness I don't think wolf says that ever you know don't forget to subscribe and hit the bell there's nothing wrong with saying it I mean yeah ultimately like is that a bad thing yeah it's fine to say that like the video if you like it dislike it if you dislike it hit subscribe click the bell for notifications don't forget to turn off that pesky ad block oh that's the you need to put that one in as King Edward Longshanks just mentioned wait wait do people actually say that what the bell thing request people to turn off ad block that's a Monday have you never heard of Monday mat keep a note of that we'll show you it's very quick after the podcast I suppose I'll write it in to make sure we don't forget but yeah we just pointed out that this is with 13 minutes in and nostalgia critic hasn't even been mentioned has he been shown have we seen a clip of him I don't think maybe I can't remember I have an hour to go an hour to go is it ironic that the camera is more in focus than well I guess the joke is that he's moving the two things it's what they think that matters because you're just a mindless man what the fuck is the difference between you and them then no no let me turn it down yeah there's nothing wrong with telling people hey by the way could sub you know like cause a lot of times I forget to like or dislike something I just like hey that was a good video and I move on but it helps in the algorithm to get like likes that can help you I find it funny to satire it because you get people who you know on the opposite end of the spectrum that literally make like a one minute video and then go ok guys don't forget to hit that subscribe button and then on top of that and they do look flashy editing and they go smash that fucking bell and you're like what's going on the one that always gets me is like you have to assume that the people who you want to subscribe and like are people who don't know your content yet and so they're the newcomers right and generally people ask people to subscribe and like the video at the beginning of the video and it's like I haven't even fucking seen this thing yet why would I like now just because you said told me to like maybe if you put that the message at the end then yeah sure I'll confidence rather logistically no problem with it I find it funny when you get what you could call like fake personality youtubers who are like they'll draw out like two minutes at the end of the video with it something um yeah yeah whatever oh Jesus oh boy I'm gonna put you down a little bit there buddy oh it was a funny technical difficulties even the beeps loud oh yeah it is Jesus oh come on stop don't ah okay I have to say you've not shown enough yet to have this reaction you haven't earned this I'm just saying you haven't earned this if you've shown loads of clips people say like it's the worst if you don't agree a terrible this would be warranted but like you've just shown people an article that said the dinosaur was inaccurate and wolves say you're a dumbass if you wrote there early on he said the volume levels have been adjusted for my ears comfort and I don't believe you he's a liar you're a liar, you're a fraud he's a liar I was gonna say it's like with the whole outrage thing with the skits alright do you remember like people like Spoonie where he would do it at the end where like you know you'd sum up all the shit in the film or the game and then he'd have one of his metal breakdowns on the camera yeah this is just he's pulling this out after ah a few people said that he didn't like the film ah outrage audio taken from domestic distributors at Laudrabat oh my god oh jeez alright okay still nailing that one joke alright okay I'm safe to put it back up now right alright he's he's a little more demonic now oh he's a little more demonic now if I wasn't clear about it let me rephrase it so you can understand the current style of internet reviews needs to stop needs to stop alright I'm willing I'm ready and willing what's the argument ten years ago it was cool to watch people trash bad movies it was funny to see online reviews destroyed vintage media like man children in the name of it was cool when they did skits we said watch them destroy it like man children I've what do you mean like man children yeah I don't understand is that like if the one who had the fucking fit I was gonna say like after what you just did and you're calling these people man okay but guess what like ever trend or a fact it soon reaches a point when it's no longer funny yeah well you don't hold the fucking flag but what was no longer funny when it stops being funny then they won't be around because people won't find it funny not to mention by the way as much as people like to call it film reviews will never be dead it'll go on as long as there are films you know if they stopped making films people would start revealing films that came out before it will keep going and films will never fucking stop people will make up in their houses if Hollywood just was destroyed like it's yeah film reviews will never go away and how humorous they are I mean this down to each reviewer like I mean look people have been making jokes for thousands of years it needs to stop humor just needs to stop it's better than that dude it's it's not funny anymore and just like when you stick to an outdated trend that no longer interests people what trend reviewing movies angrily is that it's not going to go anytime soon because one half of it is just criticism which is a thing that will always exist as long as art does and then the other half is an emotion which by the way don't have an expiry date the emotions have been around for a long time but I mean like the rising success of like myself and Mahler and Wolfe and all these other guys CJ and all that is there's an audience for this and they want to see this stuff oh yeah and how does he explain how he went in if it's over like why is it that the Wolfe ads CJ have risen dramatically in the past year assuming he's referring to us I don't even know like he's not given a specific example here I don't blame him for that I just don't really know what he's talking about apparently he's referring to this man anyone know who this is some people are saying young gay Ben 2005 it must be like one of the earliest youtube reviews of a movie yeah of course some will say this is cinema since playing the asshole wait this is bob vids what's he doing you sustaining stupidity why cinema sins is terrible this is a decent analysis video but this is against cinema sins not against all movie reviewers yeah you or I but all right let's see what context is going on playing the asshole character interest at what you're doing and you lose credibility also you're not excluded from this collective shinobi you're clearly an asshole reviewer like with the attitude you've had throughout this video so far like I'm not even saying that's a bad thing I'm saying you are clearly a part of this collective before you assume that you're not like you know integrity by the way cutting me out of context not gonna maintain it very very well of course some will say this is cinema sins playing the asshole character for a joke but after a certain point it doesn't matter if you pretend to be stupid for long enough you just look what is up ninja what the fuck just happened sorry that was me what is up ninja what is up ninjas wait that makes sense I don't know how to say I'm sorry it's okay we're back sorry poor Alex sending us to ninja land project Zorgo prime cut there nice video also I'm sorry for the day with that video project Zorgo at all caps took Daniel in car at safe house all mysterious riddles and clues challenge the titles of all the videos on that channel fucking absolute nightmare yeah that's horrible why would you they probably have 10 million subs don't they they're just trying to masturbate the algorithm go and look at all their stuff they just they spam you're just jealous cause they're successful yeah I'm jealous of their success not them yeah I wish I was making fucking box fort videos and project Zorgo car safe house videos I fucking be all over that shit yeah so I've seen the bob vids video and so he's talking about I believe anyway that a lot of people defend cinema sins are saying it's not serious content and the obvious counter is that cinema sins said on the outset that they'd like to highlight to hollywood issues within their films writing and it's a thing and then you have videos of Jeremy coming out of the cinema in his car sharing his criticisms of the films like in a genuine talking way and then those criticisms show up in cinema sins videos and so you're like oh so some of these are genuine and he's like no just take it as a joke and you're like oh cause that they really skew the line between what's supposed to be parody and what's supposed to be critical and so he's got a leg on each side yeah and if he was to say I am playing an asshole character and therefore what when you say I'm I'm incorrect or I'm being over the top you don't understand the content and it's like yeah but you don't claim that all the time you know it's like when there's a clear dividing line between one and the other yeah and so he can just conveniently pick up that moniker and put it down whenever he wants just to suit himself by the way bob vids is someone I'm hoping to get on this podcast eventually because he's good he's got a video I would totally recommend where he rips into he rips into cinema sins videos in a sin format he's like he's kind of like cinema sin sins actually we've had him on the podcast he's like him but no offense to Jay but bob vids as he probably agrees production value is a little higher he's got extremely awesome animations for having everything work out nice sound design and a great microphone so but yeah it'll be interesting how this is somehow going to support shinobi so far because I don't I don't see it yeah let's see to be stupid for long enough you just look stupid perpetuating your stupidity to people who are rightly confused about what you're trying to say nowadays people don't get much entertainment from accentuating on the negative alone how do you know that I believe they do in what what metric are you citing for that my channel is basically devoted to highlighting the negative things and responding to them yeah it's a bit of a weird one I because I you know my last Jedi series as much as well certainly the rant videos are deliberately fully negative so and I'm literally just citing results but there's a lot of people who like them so I'm confused but fair enough the audience who grew up with that style has reached a point where they want something much more interesting and more productive according to what metric should we just stop saying citation please because that would I'm just confused just like how all those self-proclaimed reviewers demand for self-proclaimed reviewers exactly how can somebody who says they're a reviewer not be one I don't it's very very simple if you review things you are a reviewer no that's just self-proclaiming free damn self-proclaimed proclaimers he's a self-proclaimed self-proclaimed reviewer has to claim it for you yeah you need to dig up Roger Ebert and have him declare it for you that's the only way does he take the same argument for trans people well why don't we ask him the movies the audience of those reviewers demand for better reviews as well back these so-called self-proclaimed proclaimed transgender oh look nostalgia critic yay 14 and a half minutes in we made we got it then it was funny when reviewers called the makers idiots or incompetence now it is mostly seen as disrespect well that's different if it's going after Kelly Marie Tran personally on Instagram which as we've been over isn't confirmed as the reason she left Instagram so you have to wonder if this would have been brought up had she not left Instagram I wonder if that would be the case but either way there is a difference between saying the writing is awful and going up to Kelly Marie Tran and saying you're a horrible person there's a difference between those things now if I was to be a learning carpenter and I make a chair that has one leg sit on it without it falling over and the carpenter said this is not a good chair I'm not going to say you know what well you're the carpenter you're a self-proclaimed carpenter you don't know shit if you were a true carpenter you would like my chair jeez it's a difference stop trying to make it all the same thing mean spirited, cool, another wall if you mean spirited and cruel that means you mean spirited and cruel that doesn't stop you from being a reviewer though in fairness because people were horrible to what's-a-none Kelly Marie Tran we're all now assholes because we say negative things about movies well yeah we're all getting lumped in now I'd like for him to cite a moment where I said I don't know something very mean as opposed to criticism of the movie I'm sure I have but I'm just curious if I'm involved in this group or not no matter how many times that myself from all or anyone that we know says you shouldn't harass actors for the character I mean it doesn't matter we're all gonna get lumped in the same we're all the fucking same, no difference between us deep down we're all just a bunch of Nazis exactly, under the skin, Nazis makes them look like big jerks for the sake of being jerks especially nowadays when cyberbullying I was lucky enough to meet Kelly Marie Tran briefly and she was incredibly nice to a comics writer she may have been geeking out a bit too much it's fine it's not like fictional characters it's not find it, yeah that's what we're saying too yeah that's what, yeah what point are you trying to make who are you countering right now nostalgia critic review of Jurassic Park Fallen Kingdom is incorrect because of cyberbullying and he plays clearly in the review for Fallen Kingdom nostalgia critic clearly said that Kelly Marie Tran is a bad person I almost feel like a lot of the times in these reviews they throw in shit like this that everybody obviously agrees with as if that will help them with the overall message if you agree with this you agree with the video right and it's like I agree we shouldn't harass the actress yeah we shouldn't do that but you're just trying to get me in the mood it's like you're setting me up and priming me to agree with you no I don't know anybody he's countered I mean aside from Wolf saying that the writers were dumbasses which again like they might be he didn't go to him personally so he's at least got that he literally just said it in his video which by the way you can absolutely say is his opinion so like I'm not sure if you guys know already but off the top of your heads do you think Shinobi likes the last Jedi or doesn't like the last Jedi no idea I would say that he likes the last Jedi I get the sneaking suspicion that he thinks it's amazing well I think this is the first for how I think his hatred comes from the fact that he loves Jurassic Park's the franchise and Fallen Kingdom he might actually be outside of the whole Star Wars debate who knows you might keep bringing Star Wars up there's no way with all the fucking action figures that he has he doesn't have some storm troopers or a Luke or something you fucking Jar Jar Binks Al do you want to I forgot now Dory alright or just bullying in general has reached dangerous levels where victims where the hell did this non sequit to come from it's like there are reviews that are negative and they're not funny okay also don't abuse people it's like yeah I all kinds either went through a terrible mentor traumas or ended their lives it's not just your nostalgia critic well known for his abuse to actors in productions it just kind of feels like what you were saying earlier about Quentin just sort of like breaking his review up to just start moaning about Trump like yeah this guy is just where he's just pulled stuff out of his ass that's completely irrelevant at all or is he just sort of like riffing also who ended their lives I didn't think the film was that bad but hi I'm a Marvel and I'm a DC oh god is this going to be or successes or our problems though it's more than that has anyone else noticed things have felt a bit meaner lately any time some oh it's always been mean what are you it's just that the the abilities of people to directly attack people have improved since yeah before if these if these people wouldn't be an issue is the argument here that reviews like mine where I angrily attack a movie are encouraging people to angrily attack people because you're no different from people saying we shouldn't have doom because it encourages people to murder each other like fuck off it's a movie review if you can't tell the difference and you start to think yeah I should go and attack Kelly Marie Tran it's not my videos fault I didn't tell you to do that one compares our companies you get so much snark and divisiveness and hate I don't know seems like you being pretty divisive of these people it's like you're not allowed to have emotions seems like you guys are the ones that are the stick in the mud right now I never done that do we really want to see how far this rivalry might go well between Marvel and DC I'm sure these multi-million dollar corporations are going to be alright and I'm sure they're happy about this to be honest the conflict because it would how fucking Microsoft and Sony love it when you have your stupid fucking console wars not to mention by the way I'm almost responding to somebody he's taken out of context to match something that he's saying so I don't even know entirely what what this guy's even saying to be perfectly I gotta bust out the crap again and see where the hell we are in this video like wasn't it supposed to be like a Jurassic Park dinosaur thing no we're the dinosaurs we're the dinosaurs I'm like Roger Ebert we're the dinosaurs I want the dinosaurs is you're punching down at a company that everyone criticizes and we're punching up at a company that everyone loves okay even let's just assume the context of that is stop hating on DC and loving Marvel is that what he's saying because DC is doing badly and Marvel's doing well this whole punching up punching down bullshit what do you what is he say punching down at a company pretty sure the company really fine I'm a dog in a room how do you come after this company rags I'm just picturing like a little cartoon dog going around a giant building yeah I just go to the flower bed and piss on it wait it's all said I think the video he's referencing is about people arguing with infinity war justice league a better it's infinity war you don't need you don't need an argument for it you should be fight me punch down at a mega corporation it's just funny still putting ourselves through this do you know the saying everybody is a critic just because you can make a certain criticism that doesn't automatically a critic all right if you're gonna say this shit about real fans what actual critics self-proclaimed reviewers can you actually give us some definitions that you at least follow what is it that makes a critic please tell me not everybody is qualified to be a court in the what but I am qualified to be a critic what does that even mean yeah did you get a degree in criticism as far as I'm concerned I hate this nose truce gossip and shit I got a degree in film production does that count can I be a critic now no fucking ruling no this guy said you can't he doesn't share what his credentials are but can I make goofy videos on the internet and get I am going to go kiss how many dolls do you have they're not dolls they're action figures god action figure let me read let me read some of these super chats I can find where where we were damn it give me a sec oh there we go I think just a quick thank you I'm a real Jurassic Park fan I would never recommend any of the sequels to anyone you're not real then yeah you're a fake fan I was a fan Jurassic Park was overrated I mean it was beyond beloved so maybe I'd agree that it's overrated but only narrowly fucking adore that film anyone who uses the phrase real fans as a tool I pretty much agree there's no time where I'm gonna separate myself because I'm a real fan not like you fake fan why do you care so much about the way you fucking self-identify with a film franchise that it's not making you any money it's not doing anything for you as a person if you're using real fan to separate the people who liked and disliked that's just shit but if you if someone says let's see have a group of friends laughing about a joke Infinity War and then some other guy goes yeah I love Marvel and then you go oh yeah which one's your favorite and then they go probably a Batman the guy who jumps around and you look at him and you're like do you have any idea what we're talking about and he's like yeah I love the superheroes they're great I love Master Chief he's my favorite and you wouldn't need to say it but if someone then said you're not a real fan are you they would have context that I think would be fair to say something like that but when someone says I do not like the new Star Wars film that they go well you're not a real fan of Star Wars then are you oh um he sounds like Darts from Yu-Gi-Oh abridged I I don't know that sounds like it reading an EU starship guide from the sector on deflector shields designed to protect the ship from high velocity particles good thing it's non-canon or Ryan would have wouldn't have gotten his scene wouldn't have cared yeah like they would have given a shit about lore eFap 15 eBit JP is a bad movie guest as pizza guy to eFap to an eBit video would never go go well I don't think people would be upset because not only is he not alive to say anything about it but it's also from a very different time or at least if we were to do an old one you guys should watch everything great about a quiet place when Wolf comes back or any of cinema wins videos we'll we'll consider it the problem and I don't know what you guys think about this will be interesting to get you take cinema wins is a channel about being positive and happy and non-confrontational so to break him down in terms of how wrong he is do you think that's almost like contextually not fair game or if it's on if it's on YouTube it's fair game well I agree with that but I'm wondering I was just wondering what you guys think because it depends like it I mean if he just obviously the way that we respond to videos is often very dependent on how those videos I like have tone and stuff like that like what they say how they say it the more confrontational they are and the kind of person that they are influences how we respond in turn so if you're very nice and kind but you're just wrong yeah we're not gonna respond to you like I couldn't imagine we'll call it a bit in here but we'll try to be as nice as we can if you'll be as nice as you can well even if you are focusing on the positives you can still be wrong yeah it's not it doesn't just become oh well you know you were praising the film and because I like the film therefore you know free pass you just yeah I'll keep that in mind because I'm sure Wolf would like to do it have you seen Jared's video about Wolf I almost cry oh no he did one on me that I saw but maybe he's done one on all of us that would make sense I suppose let me just see if he has I'm pretty sure he's got cutouts of all your faces in his closet you know he's got my thoughts on Moeller gonna get a sleep car work rant okay Kuck Boogie brings his therapist on a video I love it he's got all Trump insults for YouTubers like you know Kuck Boogie I'm not sure if he's got a wolf video but uh you know Jared's an interesting fellow he always has been my mother who regularly watches every by the inevitable rags ducky what nothing, don't worry about it my mother who regularly watches every shitty network procedural crime investigation on hospital show weekly that was difficult to say noted to me that she found Fallen Kingdom was written very poorly even the normies have noticed the self-proclaimed uh mothers one, Siskel, this movie sucks characters boring, clearly a missed opportunity two, thumbs up bad characters, even Holder was decent in Jurassic Park she was better in that than in a certain other film Nuckfast and EFAP on the same night do you guys have a schedule or do you have an EFAP when you have an urge to speak literally just the most informal way you could imagine so what do you do here mostly once a week? well that's true but the day and time is never consistent um, but we'd like if I could I would probably make it Saturday at 8pm GMT every time but that's not gonna be possible with a lot of events it's always depend on your guests yeah, like this pizza guy he's from the Ukraine and he sleeps three days out of four days in a week he's a very strange man Fringy's the Aussie, isn't he? yeah, cause like when he left college like the difficult one, Wolf works on the weekend and he's in college as well in certain days so he's only available he's retarded times and so once he comes back everyone's gonna be complaining about that again but it's not something we can do yeah, Wolf's the worst we hate him he hated on Fallen Kingdom that asshole wow I thought he was right when he made his video on it too I forgot to ask but to play Devil's Advocate what are some movies with airtight writing that don't have plot holes that Last Jedi Defenders haven't seen the two I cite as of recently, cause I used to just the point was theoretically it's possible if you have a movie that's constructed of scenes that have plot holes that can either be corrected or it just has scenes that don't have plot holes in them theoretically you can make a movie and it would exist out there but as for ones I've actually seen plot holes from let's just throw it in Bruges you could definitely argue that the plot is so simple though but the point is there's no plot holes in it what's a plot hole in 12 Angry Men just give me one and give me one from in Bruges and I would be surprised you could find them that would be my point the other thing well, if you're trying to get your assessives flawless and I guess that's fine but when we're talking about certain plot holes certain ones are really minor and consequential compared to other ones yeah, like something moves in a scene like a cup is on one part of the shelf and then it moves to the other yeah, minor continuity is like that look at it from a macro perspective does it affect the actual outcomes or the causality of the movie itself yeah, and normally when that shit happens I normally call it like a plot canyon or whatever just like to emphasise it yeah, I eradicate the word plot holes cause it's not everyone fucking hates the word anyway now it's demonised by Patrick Willems is declared we should shut up about them so yeah, pipe down all of you um dinosaurs became gay as a result of the frog DNA yes, that's very true Jurassic Park is built on outdated science and each sequel tries keeps trying to stay up to date at the cost of consistency in the world I mean, I don't know about all that but they explained it away as far as I'm concerned why don't the dinosaurs look like they should and then he says well because the producers of the park wanted them to look more ferocious they didn't want the real thing so they changed the DNA, okay, fine it's all fictional anyway, that's the benefit of fiction so um, but if it was inconsistent in some way within their own fiction then I'd have an issue I hate the no sound in space argument we are the audience, we don't care for the rules of the world when we see it in a movie wait I don't know if they're saying that as a quote from them or a quote from themselves I care about it I was gonna say I care about it that's why I really liked jackass 2.5 because there were no plot holes my plot hole for that film would be how do they live or how do they survive Quinton takes the title from movie bob for biggest fag fag it's tough for me, movie bob is pretty insane like, it's tough how was your thanksgiving, also space is 99% silent based on local gas density, not 100% the 2000s balestar galactica did space quiet pretty well uh, so there's only one person here who would have celebrated thanksgiving, so how was it rags it was great fine thanksgiving went really well well there we are and as for balestar galactica have you seen it at all yeah, I was telling you about it before because when I was rewatching it along with a blade runner how is how is how they do noises in space neat or they just have the they just have the sounds but they're like they're muted or like you know they're like they're not muffled but they are like toned down I guess mm-hmm and then like you have like they're all over the plane or the ships like moving but then you also have like you know the explosions but again they're like muffled that's what they should be it doesn't matter that that show's got way bigger problems than any fucking sound issues in space anyway I it's such a shit point to go on with sci-fi films most of the time because you need a certain amount of artistic license to be able to be creative and be innovative and change the experience for the viewer so yeah we could make all sci-fi movies deadly accurate and they'd all be fucking silent but how interesting would that be and how quickly would people get bored of it like about the idea that it's like hey our space movie we're going to say that the rules of whatever allows sound to travel through space the other angle is that you know you said diagetic you could argue that the sounds are a part of the soundtrack yeah you could say that the that's because we allow soundtracks to exist it's not like there's a speaker in every scene playing it there's a boombox in the background playing a John Williams score as far as it goes with sci-fi as long as it doesn't flip-flop between the rules in the same film whatever you just need a consistent very similitude you just need consistent building oh man we don't need words that fancy come down very similitude i believe it sounds like a vermitide dlc yeah he also says it one of his videos i think it's one of the legend of cora ones and he has like a goof where he's oh no sorry it's the force awakens i think and he says at the end he's got like multiple takes of him trying to get the word right because he keeps going verisimilism verisimilism we must protect the castle verisimilitude but sorry yeah to come back to this guy he said that um these people aren't critics or whatever um sorry there's two i've missed actually um at least we have to see probably bored from watching this guy just talking about her own shit i think people like to listen to us talk more than they want to listen to this video to be honest alright i'm sure there's that up here but i'm just like god like i don't even i don't care what he's got he's no funny anymore yeah but i just feel like that hopefully the last 10 minutes of this video isn't just more fucking skits because he's really not made any points yet well he's told us what a true fan is i mean he got like four parts maybe he's like segmental like part two or whatever is the his defense of the film yeah this part is this is so weak anywhere i like i'm not excited for the next part uh at least we get to see women in fallen kingdom that is a joke that only rags will get i think no i i get that oh you you saw the thing oh yeah i don't complain about women we'll get to see women uh pushed venom wolf a critic denied his plat punished venom wolf a critic denied his platform punished venom wolf i'm confused about i'm sorry i don't understand uh when jar jar's actor and jake loyd kid anakin get bullied and nearly kill themselves because of their roles and the prequels it's fine but when it happens to trannel all of a sudden it's a huge problem i mean he's not i found out about the jar jar one um go into that extreme after people started talking about it after the kelly marie tran thing and it is interesting that uh it's being used more so in relation to the last Jedi when it's like no this just happens with movies and people and how can i put this people are assholes like it's the fact that this movie has been so politicized and that they'll use it as an angle to drive a message the thing i want to say was that you know what jake loyd like well surely most of you want to be like in school and i don't know about like child actors like saying like um Daniel raucliff and all that with harry paugh i'm sure they didn't get abuse compared to jake loyd did for stars because obviously i think harry potter films were like pretty damn well received for like for the fans of the world shit but like that was in school and i guess like if you're going to be an actor and then while still in like high school or middle school or whatever you're always going to have a target painting on you and you i don't know um you know when we were younger there was this kid that was in a commercial serial called frosties yes he sang some like lame song he bullied pretty bad there was like a an article about that guy i don't know i don't think he like killed himself or anything it's not it's not the they're going to taste great song yeah it was that kid yeah you knew him or knew no no no no no he got he got like really badly bullied after those adverts came yeah yeah yeah i remember people used to say that like he killed himself i was sticking two pencils up his nose and slamming his face um i was like the kind of bullshit you hear in school do you remember the guy and well guy kid in revenge of the sith that anakin is about to murder with the kids and he says master skywalker what are we going to do remember that kid he did a reddit AMA and just just as that he was like i am the kid in revenge of the sith that says you know master skywalker and people were like oh did you get bullied for it he was like well yeah fucking his friends would his friends would just randomly be like oh there's no there's a giant queue what are we going to do and what i'm saying i guess is the you know i'm sure he took that well and he was just like it's a goofy shit you gotta do to it it's a jake light but then you get people who maybe made some really cruel jokes a lot and maybe some careers were ruined and it's just like yeah what what what are you saying that being having negative criticism is the cause it's like there's a difference there's a line that gets crossed there's a difference between me saying ryan johnson fucked up the last Jedi and me going to his house and trying to axe murder him like ryan a step i know where you live ryan and to bring back that analogy if a carpenter told me i had a shitty chair because it couldn't even stand straight and you can't sit on it i'm not supposed to go i just your negative criticism needs to stop because i'm going to leave instagram because he said my chair was bad you know there's a difference but if he actually tried to murder me because of the chair again different crazy carpenter man the way we all associate that world with what makes a good critic in my opinion is first being neutral to everything they're going to experience no it's depends on the critic even before that is he is he being neutral right now i think that what he's trying to say though very poorly is that he's saying you should basically go in with a neutral mindset that it could even that though even that though what if you find out the director killed several people to create the movie you go in being like well shit like i'm going to be weighing up whether that was worth it yeah but the movie might still be good my point is that you wouldn't to what degree do you keep any information that's beyond the movie like what about the fact that it's a sequel does that mean you have to keep the previous movie you're going in with the context yeah of your knowledge of the franchise your so downward downward thrust recently made a video talking about battlefield 5 and it might be one that we cover i think it's kind of on a docket but essentially if he was talking about how none of the politics and none of the ea stuff and anything made it into the review and the way i see that is if a company like ea goes out of their way to use the game to fuck me alex what are you doing i'm sorry what does that mean jizz the project's over go to daniel i'm sorry i'm going to do the thing i was doing on the other screen sorry but the thing is if a company like ea uses a game to push politics and to speak a certain way and to put out a message then i don't think it's fair for reviewers to not be allowed to respond to that message in a review of the product that ea used to specifically push certain messages yeah absolutely i think the marketing full of products should be included in the over experience in the reviewing of it he said though that in my opinion critics should go in like my issue isn't because you can you can go in absolutely objective and have absolutely no influence beyond the film itself but uh should no sometimes i want to ignore you know who i'd like to hear from so you have like a movie that's based entirely around firemen doing firemen things i'd be like man can i hear from i wouldn't mind hearing from a fireman who goes into this film knowing how firemen shit works and so he's obviously going to be uh is going to be a subjective experience based on his knowledge of how what i'm trying to get at here is that a critic going in completely objective irrelevant of anything that's fine but should do that it depends on what he's actually going to qualify this into because man like plenty of critics can do whatever the hell they want all you need to do is criticize to be a critic not everybody is qualified to be a critic in the way we all associate that world with what makes a good critic in my opinion is first being neutral to everything they're going to experience see that the firemen wouldn't be neutral would he because he'd be a fireman and can you be neutral to the holocaust can you be neutral is that even possible yeah can you be neutral because you know you could be like okay someone who's never seen or heard of a film never spoken to anyone never blah blah but they with that do you know what i mean like you can be tainted or maybe i should find a better word biased based on anything to be completely neutral what does he mean by that everybody's like what are dinosaurs to everything they're going to experience when you either go to watch a movie or play a game or read a book you need to do with the expectation of it being good what that's the exact opposite of what you just said yeah that's neutral is not you need to be neutral and like it immediately if a neutral critic can review five bad movies in a row and call all five of them bad and still be neutral in your case well yeah i'm what the hell does he mean read a book you need to do with the expectation of it being good when you are a one note critic who says everything is different yeah that's a complete yeah you can't go in with the expectation he's not covered a single person in this video who says everything's bad not a single person in this video he's shown i know that for a fact so who are you talking about mate he did what if you watched what if you watched and reviewed 20 movies at random and they were all terrible yeah like giving things the benefit of the doubt is not neutral yeah what the fuck if anything the most neutral thing you could do is completely withhold your opinion well she had the most neutral critic is one that doesn't say anything what is it so the people of the neutral system who are just like sir we're about to be destroyed he just goes how do you feel about that he's just like i feel okay the film was okay tell my wife hello also just to account for it someone saying the word he's looking for is objective i'm not sure if he is i don't know he doesn't know the word he's looking for you get the facts and then you get stuff that's changed by your experiences you may like a certain story more because it appeals to the things that have happened in your life irrelevant of its own consistency or its efficiency that's the difference but with what he's explaining here i have no idea what he's trying to really get at you need to go in neutral liking everything thinking it'll be good wouldn't it be thinking it's neutral wouldn't that be the neutral thing to do i would rather people have a bias that they wear on their sleeve yeah yeah me and alex have gone into for example me and you thought spider-man homecoming was going to be really bad that for me i can't say for you but that for me because i didn't see the trailer but it was just from people on the discord just saying that it's okay it's you know it's awful some people say it's a guy's name but he's not my kind of peter parkour spider-man that's it yeah people were saying stuff like that and i was like oh okay well let's just check it out and they're like well it was way more surprised and we've gone into things thinking they're going to be amazing and then been like what the hell but the thing is like stranger things season 2 but regardless of your mindset going into an experience if what you're watching doesn't have the ability to change your opinion and it doesn't matter whether you thought it was good or bad like how much of an effect is that going to have do you know what i mean because this is the thing if i go into watching a film saying i just want to hate it and then i come out saying it was bad because i wanted to hate it then yeah don't listen to me but if i make actual arguments like fallen kingdom is chock full of arguments that we've not covered a single substantive one but hey whatever i think your example of homecomings speaks true for me as well because i went into that movie fully expecting it just to be like shit and it finished and i was like wow i enjoyed that film and like so i went into it thinking it was going to be bad but i didn't come out of it then hating it because of my preconceived idea so his point doesn't really have much weight anyway so the point he's failing to make doesn't make sense i don't know just remember another line from the neutral people because he thinks he's going to die he says call my wife tell her hello okay quotation of it being good when you are a one note critic who says everything is terrible that makes you boring and very critical going into something that is going to be bad does not make you a one note critic also who is it who are you talking about yeah who is he talking about is it this character from the show this is um the show is called the critic i think and he consistently says it stinks i believe i i i have no idea who he's talking about i wish i was like give me names give me the names who is number two predictable but if your criticism is varied and make different opinions from time to time that makes you interesting to follow and makes it if you're wondering what will be your opinion like with each other that's your argument it makes you interesting i i'd subscribe to plenty of people who hate everything if it was funny if it was well presented yeah and that's their value their value is that they are entertaining and make different all goes the idea that some people might just search out movies that they know are going to be bad or they know are bad and deliberately review them because they can create more of an entertaining article or video or whatever on that content it's fun to shit on bad stuff hate to reveal this but uh me and wolf have both made videos that are actually in praise of certain pieces of media i'm sorry something we've done oh yeah by those people are referencing it everything the youtube channel about hating everything he covers how many subs is he at again like 10, 2,000,000 just one sub he wasn't popular nobody knew about that opinions from time to time that makes you interesting to follow and makes it if you're wondering what will be your opinion like with each episode one thing i would say though is that if you think most things are bad and you have a very high standard that can be interesting to see what you do find good and with me like people know whether or not i liked or dislike the thing from the title because if i call it a praise i probably liked it if i call it a rage i probably didn't like it and i don't think they're there to find out whether i liked it they want to hear the arguments no these comics suck this comic oh my gosh i had that comic i had that old pokemon one yeah i had like four of them like the first four i have those most of the jetty could be the most part but it's still not good anyway this origin is pretty damn good wait is that his example of like nuance when you conclude that something as long as you've got evidence on your channel of saying something is we defend the actual film oh here what's the tell me what the ratio is what's the ratio for being a good film or sorry a good critic between what the things you say are good and things you say are bad how many to how many what's the ratio of what you probably want you to be you want you to be neutral though by definition should be 50 50 but by his definition of neutral it should be more like 70 30 alright i think i'm getting this twisted logic here so the idea is that you have four movies a good one an okay one and not so good one and a terrible one and he's saying that if you're a neutral critic you will detect that from all four of them to the T but if you're a bad critic and you go and hate them hating things then you'll hate all of them but it's also okay to go in loving the more question mark i'm assuming he thinks that's bad too right if you love everything does he have a problem with cinema wins compared to cinema this wouldn't be the first time that we've heard from people there seems to be a it's bad when you hate on it unnecessarily but to love it unnecessarily is fine yeah it's like giving something giving something the benefit of the doubt is fine but not giving it the benefit of the doubt is you know it's it's got to work both ways that's essentially the thing yeah i mean the problem as well is that if he's actually counter referencing with nostalgia critic i'm pretty sure he's praised the shit out of several things in his time so gonna have to say i'm confused on this one it's going to suck anyway then maybe you shouldn't waste your time on it because so thinking a film is gonna suck doesn't mean that it will so there's perfectly reasonable to go and see it anyway yeah if a film is bad you shouldn't write do a review of it yeah yeah i'm gonna go see episode nine a good film that you like and then do a nice review of that instead is then you'll be a better critic only only if you've had too many yeah only if you've had some bad reviews before you have to keep the ratio it's very important fucking now i've done seven bad reviews time to find me a good film i don't know about you guys but well probably not the case but i can write at length and passionately about things that i really hate but when i start writing about things that i like i just find it boring i agree it's entertaining to listen to people shit on things it's important to understand the motivation alright so if you like i want to share my perspective that alone is fine it doesn't matter what your perspective is if that's what you want to do go for it there's no there's nothing you don't have somebody in your room saying don't do that it could have negative effects like what fucking planet are you living on where we're not allowed to do that if it like fuck that but secondly if you're like this thing is awful and i'm gonna explain to people why because a lot of people don't get it there's so many good videos on youtube about that where they're like people think this thing is amazing i'm gonna show you why it's not and vice versa some people think this is terrible i'm gonna show you why it's good these things are great too and it's like why you're not allowed in case negativities but this is like just right again he's like stop trying to take enjoyment out of the world it's like what do you mean you don't have to watch the video does she know that every single year the exact same ratio of good to bad movies will be consistent what if there's a year where there's a lot of bad movies oh like 2018 in fact yeah no to be fair i think i watch a lot of movies too and i probably i reckon i see maybe three or four a year that i think yeah that's fucking great and then i see maybe hundreds that are all average or shit and who cares if you think it's going to be bad going in he's like you shouldn't go see it if you think it's going to be bad it's like well what if it surprises me we wouldn't have seen spider-man homecoming if we were going by that logic we have to be consistent you shouldn't go in if you think it's going to be good either yeah because that's not neutral you shouldn't go see films that you don't know you've got no clue what they're about you show up at the theater you close your eyes and say give me a ticket to a movie please i'll have whatever the person before me had like sir this is a McDonald's and you're like don't complain give me the ticket in that case supersize it i can't listen to you you're going to make me non-neutral give me some nugs for my for my movie yes tell me more about nostalgia critic being biased and evil because you weren't planning to like it and weren't prepared to have anything not to say about it from the beginning well see that's different if they go in not prepared to say anything nice about why nice see this is very telling isn't it the um the idea that negate criticism say for example just saying this thing doesn't make sense to him he'll be like that's not nice like that nice what do you mean nice like stop the disassociate it people the idea that you criticize writing does not mean you're being mean to people yes being nice let's be nice to fallen kingdom fallen king is a little kid he's a little kid walking out the reason people think that is because people don't generally like to be criticized that's just humans yeah that's true so we associate criticism with negativity and so if you criticize a moldy apple they're like why don't you be nice to the moldy apple or if you criticize a multi-million pound movie that's not nice you're not a nice person be nice to the cow it's so weird that these people like all of a sudden corporations are the the beloved darlings of our society and we should be kind and nice to them as like you y'all fuckers flip-flop pretty goddamn hard in the last 10 years but let's soldier all day we had a bet going into this think of the poor celebrities the poor corporations that rags his pee god these poor multi-million dollar ubiquitously known cultural icons once you think of how they feel anything not to say about it from the beginning we had a bet going into this who is going to be the most bland actor I had gone with Russell Crowe there you go that's not going in prepared not to that's a prediction isn't it there's nothing wrong with that let's make a bet guys what's going to be this who's going to be the most inconsistent character of episode 9 oh fuck I'm betting Kylo it's always Kylo it's Kylo in every film oh no we've I'm good again we're not neutral we're not neutral anymore we're the worst terrible reviews Kenobi and Chet said no theories allowed they literally talking about how they're basing it off past so prediction is based on history that's all that's happening here if you want an explanation someone in chat just said the whole ghost is going to be the most inconsistent character hold this first ghost hold this first can you fucking imagine Jesus Christ the blandest of the cosner you almost Kevin Costner and I was just like when it was all said and done I got that up yeah there was no contest Russell Crowe as bland as he was was still not as bad as Kevin Costner thank you so much I'm going to put it out there it's a little bit of D-Rig it's just don't have the fucking swallowing their pride on their prediction whatever see I told you that guy did look like the dude from Untangled you know what Rags can we do that by the way let's actually make a bet here if I'm going with Kylo you have to go fuck hold this first ghost it's a good meme answer if she started the film if if you want almost the rules are has to be specific to the movie right you can't consider the other movies if you go with Kylo I'll go with Rose Tico really I mean I want to make the bet happen well hey let's do this let's just go between Rose and Finn yeah what you're going to go with Finn I don't know I think that's a decent choice because he's confused as fuck as it is yeah Phasma's a good we don't know if Phasma's in it oh no if they don't resurrect Phasma again for 22nd fuck down a garbage shoot again the most inconsistent for just episode 9 I want Phasma to show up in the end post credits that's why I want Dexter Jets to be honest for them to be like perceivably inconsistent they're gonna have to have a lot of screen so you're looking at yeah Finn Kylo or maybe Rey but Rey's pretty well he's a possibility I think Poe I think Poe they've kind of set up to be like the resistance let's do it this way so you got like he said Kylo Poe Rose Finn and Rey so knock out Kylo who is the most inconsistent out of those four what's your bet I think it's pretty universal that Kylo will probably be the worst I think it'll make sense the most inconsistent with their previous behavior yeah let's say considering the previous two films as well this is actually an interesting conversation to me I'm like I'm trying to figure out who it would be um I'm not gonna go with Rose because she's won pretty much I was thinking more specific to the film it's a possibility for Rey but I have a feeling they're just gonna stick to it being perfect I really want to do a fucking switcheroo I thought it was gonna happen but I really want her to be the sith I I want to go with Finn personally yeah I think that's the best bet what do you want to go with Rey it might be I'm gonna go with Poe because I bet in the next one Poe's gonna be like demanded that he well he can be a cover Jedi as well and like he wants to wield a lightsaber is that a serious comment now because I'll put you on like a little thing we'll just keep it on record this is not getting recorded no this is on a podcast anyway so you're streaming I can't back out we've not decided on if we're gonna pay each other yet but I'm not betting money we'll bet our pride I would rather randomly select a horse running down a track and try to pick consistency with Star Wars characters oh shit yeah Landos in the film oh fuck fuck Lando yeah but for how long there'll be a momentary cameo yeah but he could be ruined he'd never know they already fucking did it with the Han Solo movie we could meet him we could meet him and he could be balls deep in some toaster or something what's your pick Ash oh fuck is it Finn? yeah Finn is my gut instinct just because Finn or how do you think he's gonna flip flop I think because they have nothing to do for him that they're gonna invent some crazy plot line that might come back to stormtroopers Finn in my eye he should dead what about Hux? Hux is not well no no remember because Hux is basically two completely different characters between JJ and Ryan it depends on which one they choose so it could it's like a 50-50 and JJ's directing it and his Hux was different than Ryan's Hux is he the vindictive little brother character or is he the complete pushover weird comic relief character comic relief character is he an evil but competent ruthless general or is he just a slapstick comedy for other people to be in getting thrown around the fucking command I might actually go with Hux unironically alright I could have to sell I could go with just Kylo we're back to Star Wars ladies and gentlemen you can't go Kylo Kylo's disqualified fight fight yeah okay so we got me and Asher on Finn, Alex on Poe Rags is on Hux and so now we don't count as critics anymore we have a gentleman's agreements by the way if you guys couldn't tell we have a troll on the last Jedi I'm not a troll either unfortunately all the other guys would hate Star Wars I forgot oh yeah hi I'm Hitler oh no no no no Wolfe is Evo Hitler as I regularly see in him as well too we need to remember this because it's a year from now that we actually get to but I'll keep it on track I'll pin something somewhere we should just ask we'll ask Wolfe every guest that comes on to just put their bet in as well should we like keep a chart? yeah I mean I'm writing it up but we'll figure out a place to put it alright yeah just pin it in the discord somewhere then the Star Wars chat or something Jenna just make a joke about it can I vote for Leia being not consistent because she's normally alive would you be inconsistent with the food I mean I think she's saying if they kill her off in episode 9 because she's supposed to be I thought she was going for an edgy joke with that so I just honestly I think episode 9 just needs to start with Leia's funeral I don't think they're doing that I saw an article that said what's his name Oscar Isaac said that Leia's like really important to the film and it's amazing what they've done with her or something bullshit like so yeah I heard that they were like re-editing scenes that they previously shot for J to be in the new movie but what have they just completely re-written episode 9 now to deal with that well yeah it sounds like they're working the film around the actor instead of working an actor around wait guys you're not being neutral you're not just you're not being critics that's disgusting disgusting not neutral find me a single human on earth TLJ that's going to go into episode 9 neutral it's not possible it was never possible anyway and find me a human on earth who's going to go see episode 9 without seeing the other ones first just picture that the guy from Futurabi walking just like what do you think this movie's going to be like and he's like I have no opinions left or right up or down and you're like oh do you like Star Wars? possibly Star Wars Star Wars is acceptable okay Star Wars is a franchise I have nothing else to say I would like to consume energy this is a film in my opinion so anyway do you guys want to come back to this this video back to Shinobi 03 that being said that's not good criticism because it wasn't based on how you felt from the experience it was a joke from the looks of things I don't think it was a joke and it was kind of funny and I don't even like Star Wars critic that much but I kind of think that was passive that was nothing like whatever it was a predetermined choice that wouldn't be affected if you go see it or not maybe you don't know what is he wearing this is BDS oh well Yugi with his gimp outfit well look at that fucking hair first off it looks like a pokemon dude I don't think anyone in the fairy can install other people yeah I can shots fucking fired no no you're not allowed to I'm gay keeping it right now I'm gay keeping it not true critic if you're a fairy there we go going through the experience with the assumption that it'll be bad makes you blind to everything good about it not true I thought that uh again we thought homecoming was gonna be bad and we ended up thinking it was pretty good so doesn't translate at all you're wrong what does this thing have to do with what he's talking about he's going over the problem with negativity and critics I suppose I know we haven't got to the bit where he's actually defending the film like where he's actually got a bit of saying when people say this is wrong in the film they're actually that this is the right thing I know we haven't got to that if ever but this is just this is like a low hanging fruit why is he picking a fight with like a critic fucking like saying I thought the film was going to be bad and then it might have been oh shit it skipped a bit make sure I have context makes you blind to everything good about it and when you make your supposed review of it you point the wrong picture about it and when the people who had the same experience who were enjoying sorry I'm assuming he wants us to read these I guess when people flash it by that quick they just want you to assume that it supports what they say as much as this was truly hilarious I respectfully disagree I personally don't find any major flaws with this film every time I watch it I think the characters do have depth to them to keep me invested I also think the CGI was pulled off well and looks good the story was not sloppily paced the production designer music we're all done we're all well done sorry the works I'd rather watch Van Helsing here than Tom Cruise as the mummy any day in fact call me crazy but I personally think Steven Summers did a better job at handling universal monsters in this and in his mummy films than universal themselves with the two attempts of the darkening I mean I agree with that statement if they're talking about Van Helsing huge actments Van Helsing which I liked I like that again yeah I like I told you before I haven't seen it in ages so I really can't give an opinion I like it but it is cheese oh yeah it's it's a super cheese but I really like it I remember like it is a fun film for even though how stupid it is oh yeah want to watch that tonight right yeah well I I've I actually I would unironically do that but I would I would I told you about it I have to go in an hour I've been invited to a dinner so I will need to be going in about an hour when would you be back from this dinner um it probably wouldn't be too long from the sounds of it but if you give me a file before I go I can't do that if we're still alive we're going to be busy because we we got this podcast it'll be fine we'll see depends on when I get back that might actually work out in terms of you're the only one who hasn't seen Jurassic Park Fallen Kingdom and the other video we were supposed to be looking at today is an actual analysis of the film and I say actual fully understanding that it's just the same as saying real but this isn't exactly what we're looking for with Fallen Kingdom is it but so yeah um so what he's highlighting here is someone who disagrees and that's fine so we're enjoying oh god here we go do you want to someone else read that out I can't actually see it because the mugthrocker one yeah yeah it's fake it's werewolf and a vampire fighting each other of course it's fake no amount of technological wonders will be able to make me forget that those don't exist those don't exist sometimes you really are finicking on things that honestly I don't even know it's a popcorn action fantasy movie about Dracula and Van Helsing with werewolves and Frankensteins monster of course it's different than the classics classic movies from the 20s had no other choice but going through the character developments or dramatic scenes with emotional outburst since the tech and effects of the time was so shitty it's not needed to retell all the absolute minute details about these characters since they're so well known by the cinema fans you can look at all you want I'd rather watch this a movie I'd rather watch this movie than that Dracula 2002 or whatever sequel they made to Dracula 2001 not all the movies with Dracula can be on the level of FFC Dracula's doesn't mean that Van Helsing isn't enjoyable sorry that's sweet the FFC is Francis Ford Capola we probably shouldn't respond to this comment because I'm assuming he's flashing it for a reason but all I'll say is that just because we are aware of the character of Dracula or something I would still want the character to be in the newer film like in its own story because I don't know the specifics instead of just assuming he likes to drink people's blood you know but yeah and the first thing about it's fake is that yes we understand that the movie isn't real but we would like it to be believable and consistent with itself I don't know the context of this this comment could be completely great in terms of a response to what the person said but I don't know going aware invested in it end up watching your review they won't accept your criticism because you got things severely wrong and you're not that's different yeah and all of things are from Van Helsing that's strange I guess he got hang on so this is we're assuming this is a nostalgia critic right I don't know Van Helsing let's see if he's got a bad like ratio on it one thing I'll tell you man you get negative ratios when your research is bad you really do yeah so a lot of the top comments are basically just saying oh look at that you got really not your best work critic you're judging this movie based on what you wanted it to be not what it's trying to be so we could do that next time if you want me and Rags will make sure we see Van Helsing and then we'll watch Nostalgia Critics review of it just for the fun of that I'm totally open for that movie being terrible but I just know that when I saw it I really liked it I'll make a note would you would chat be interested in that or do you hate Nostalgia Critic enough that you wouldn't want us to cover him I am interested in seeing people's responses because everybody hated us covering cinema scenes and I was just like I mean we don't have a bug to want to cover him that much so if you prefer not let us see it then I don't want to cover it if it's just something that the chat and the audience really wouldn't like then we can do something else the one thing that was good about us covering cinema scenes was we were able to explain why we don't cover cinema scenes that's why I like that we did it at least with this one we might be able to explain why we don't cover Nostalgia Critic but we're getting a lot of people saying you should so yeah alright then Me and Rags will sort that out we've got a couple of things in the pipeline for what we're planning so that's actually a good thing what was the other thing we just suggested is another potential EFF I was going to make a note I can't remember what we said anybody chat help me did I suggest something else or did I why are we here how did we end up in this place I could have sworn I suggested something else but no you did destroy the child it's like my favorite quote do you like what you see little girl oh a quiet place we said that we'd check out cinema wins on a quiet place I remember now thank you chat I appreciate that yay so cinema wins a quiet place and we'll wait for wolf to be back for that one because he hates that movie do you know he planned to actually make a deeper analysis of it because he said that despite ranting the shit out of it he had missed like a shit ton of problems with it and I was like oh that'll be kick ass but uh maybe he'll get around to it after seeing cinema wins video who knows anyway let's rewind just a little bit and keep going and when the people who had the same experience who were enjoying or were invested in it end up watching your review they won't accept your do we read this or I think we have to skip this one these aren't exactly he's just displaying people who disagreed and have counter arguments which by the way there's a lot of scenario I feel so condescending explaining this you can have a reviewer review a film badly and have good references you can have a reviewer review a film badly and have piss poor references and then you can have the vice versa for both of those all of these things are things that happen the citations I have in my reviews I am relatively confident of but I will make mistakes but the angle for me is that I really do work my ass off to get it right as opposed to a reaction and a lot of people do reaction reviews where they say things like I hated it when what did Jared say he hated it when Kylo Rey killed Han which he's of course going to recognize that that's not quite accurate once he sees the scene again but you could say that's a bad citation and these it's complicated it's all over the place this is not an argument against negative reviews if if negative means you've reviewed it as being a piece of poor media which I'm not comfortable with that anymore it's really annoying me it's like you're being mean to the movie stop because you got things severely wrong and you're not representing what you're criticizing in a fair look yeah it would be bad if they're not being fair and less it's for entertainment purposes which is kind of what CinemaSins argues for I just don't think he's that funny and I don't think that's entirely his goal but if you had let's say you play a character who's like a monster who lives in a cave and you review movies and you hate everything literally hate everything then yeah you might have to start embellishing what happens in the film like saying I don't know Godzilla isn't even that loud something stupid but you're going to want to try a little bit more creative than that so it's contextual it's always contextual I mean we've got a pizza reviewing films here this is ridiculous and by doing so it only makes you look like you have a personal vendetta against the people who have made what you're criticizing and that should instantly make these reviews invalid sorry I was going to say you might do because if you're a big fan of say I hate to keep bringing up it if you're a fan of Star Wars from the last Jedi all of a sudden yeah you are kind of like I remember people on a movie circle joke keep saying like how Star Wars fans hate the films the most and it's like well yeah because they're fans because they're invested in this shit they care about it why would somebody who doesn't give a shit about Star Wars get angry that the last Jedi was bad you need a bias to feel emotion yeah I've heard people in work talk about it and then they take the piss and they make a few jokes especially about the fucking alien with the milk and all that but they don't care they don't get wound up and it's like alright you know obviously there are people that do and I think they need to calm down a little bit but most of them I would say are probably just doing it they're not over acting but they're well they're being hyperbolic with it aren't they you know but then even still people who don't care about those movies won't notice all of the flaws because they're not in their wheelhouse just the whole ridiculous how many of you guys including people in chat how many of you watch a video where someone goes by the way this doesn't make sense when you consider this as this and you go oh yeah oh that happens so and as for this whole bias thing is he aware that it goes the other way that somebody absolutely adores the work of say Edgar Wright and says everything Edgar Wright makes is amazing that doesn't count no matter what he does these are just really fringe people that are just fucking retarded they don't exist like if you're going to be so heavily influenced by one reviewer's opinion then you're a fucking idiot just like go form your own opinion long shanks brings up a good point if you couldn't see the title of this video what would you assume the title is I don't like reviewers one guy versus the world consider the first 10 minutes though it's like oh yeah there was some stuff about dinosaurs there was also a skit with like figurines talking about oh god that was this video he goes off a tangent worse than we have so far but this is a video you should know better from the beginning you are in fail to them from the beginning okay well I mean you don't even know if it's any better that's true I haven't read a word of I'm going to have to keep pausing everyone's smile or even see any preview but after the opening tomorrow I'm going to turn in the worst review anybody has ever read and I'm going to close your play would you like to know why because I hate you you represent yeah that's a biased critic yeah well done also this is a fictional character you did not need to prove the concept that there's such a thing as a person who is biased that's a well I did both they existed until you showed me this fictional I really wish you would have shown us a real person yeah that's actually the irony here is he could have actually got an actual critic that was being biased these are real people see this fake person said it it's like why is he spending time in his video proving the when no one I'm sure these people exist tell me who they are show me an example of them and then show me an example of them in relation to the subject video which is directly in Park not Birdman or Star Wars or fucking Marvel DC all this other shit that you've been going off on focus like this is such an absolute nightmare of a video at least when it started out it was talking about dinosaurs also more time consigliaries just pointed out that this critic changes her mind by the end of the film spoilers so that kind of the narrative he's using here counters his own narrative she went into it with a negative viewpoint so she's not a real critic that's that's the thing she proves our point before she proves his video oh it's fantastic I've said it before but if you go back to my Dark Souls series I think it's the first rule of like bad youtube videos they disprove their own points with their own references it's like one of the best things that happen entitled selfish spoiled children she might have a point by the way depends on what she's trying to say here if say for example somebody's running an operation that's bad for a particular demographic and you're trying to stop it and your negative reviews could do it you could argue yourself from a moral position it just depends on how accurate it is I suppose it would make you a good critic maybe he's right stop giving him too much better for the doubt I'm trying to explore with new odds sweet untrained unversed and unprepared to even attempt real art handing you like that real world is popping in real art for cartoons falling kingdoms real art you don't know what real art is you're just an idiotic nit-bicker and you don't understand it because you're not a true fan then weekends how has he played this whole thing and managed to keep the video up I'm impressed no no no it's just because he's a small channel if it's automated with content ID the videos normally stay up a lot of the times they just get claimed they get to run their own ads a lot of the time it just takes mine down it might be this specific it depends on who claims you sometimes it'll knock you off worldwide all the claimants who set up with content ID they pick a rule and it's like you're allowed to keep it up with our ads you're allowed to keep it up with no ads or it gets taken down that property if it was content ID it's allowed him to use it sorry get more inspiration from chat ratatouille the story of a f***ing critic who's an asshole and hates everything at the end thanks to a rat's food every time we talk about ratatouille it just reminds me how amazing that film is it's just funny because the story of people who go in biased getting their minds changed it's like that's like a fundamental thing that happens in humanity it matches so many storylines and he's like no and besides by the way if there's a film you think is literally perfect would you not want to hear from somebody you hated it even if they said they were biased like they open with saying by the way I hated this before I'd even seen it you want to know what they're gonna say yeah but then it's all opening up a discussion and arguing your case it's not about whether you've determined beforehand whether you liked it or disliked it it's about the conversation like people are allowed to have differing opinions and this guy seems to think that if you don't praise everything and you don't go into things thinking they're gonna be great then you're some kind of asshole or an idiot somehow he calls that going in neutral yeah and he's got the moral high ground cause why because people didn't like his dinosaur movie because people didn't like his dinosaur movie you're not a f***ing critic because you went wanting to hate it even though none of the examples showed that well none of them will though because all he's trying to do is invalidate people before he even has to like bring up anything they've actually said because that is way easier this would have been way better at the tail end of his assessment of everybody wouldn't it well you think that but we haven't seen the main body of his argument yet it might be worse yeah a few more hours without coming through me first another thing that critics needs to understand that not every movie is criticized equally okay not every movie is criticized equally alright correct well no it won't be will it it's literally impossible to criticize every movie the same way because they'll have different things in them what does he mean school play will not be judged with the same rigor as a multi-billion dollar international conglomerate putting out a blockbuster triple A level how well does Jurassic will fall in Kingdom portray dinosaurs how well does Star Wars portray Dino wait that's the difference I think the drawn drawing portray dinosaurs yeah I think the well yeah how many women can get in Star Wars compared to how many can get in Jurassic Park that's what I want to know I think here is genre as opposed to anything I don't know for example oh jeez you're all just jealous of my jetpack science fiction proper literature tut tut what is this the thing where he's taken one frame from a comic and we can't understand it or is this supposed to send a message here I think the message is that I mean a lot of the times it's hard for a science fiction film to get properly received I'll bet well like respected by yeah literature that's more high brow maybe and he's he's saying you're all just jealous my jetpack because they're saying the jetpack makes it so that they can't enjoy it battles and blasters and lasers and things like that it might be taken with a certain pretty sweet well now we are talking about people oh sorry god basically just like a lot of times you know the academy awards a lot of the times dramas and you just sort of know that oh this film might have been great but there's no way that Krampus is going to win a lot of awards because it's a silly movie hmm he's not about like people who want to dismiss things just because of like this incontinence well you know honestly for me like I don't watch like romantic comedies like you know not because I think they're all bad just because it's not for me so I don't care but I'm not well I'm not making videos either way but if I was I wouldn't be making videos about that anyway like oh I don't watch these romantic comedies because they're shit did you know that you wouldn't say the newest romantic comedy is terrible yeah just what what do you care apart from like you know the hacks who like you know like polygonal who like pretend to play games and review them most people who do review stuff generally did watch the whole thing or play it and wanted wanted to you know so like you know that like one way or another they're not dismissing it you know so who the fuck are you on about again with these people like who in that photo the picture there who are the people on YouTube for Jurassic World yeah that's a good question well let's assuming that's his point someone in chat just said I think what he's trying to say is just go in with an open mind and it's like if he just said that yeah that would have taken 10 seconds but he's finding weird ways to argue that he's making he's finding the worst ways to say it to the point where we don't know what he's saying and perhaps even the opposite of what he's trying to say I love that Alex who's the astral who are the people saying this what does proper literature mean what are the arrows explain your meme if the critic is a fan of the sci-fi genre but not so with romance he can't criticize a romance movie the same he does to sci-fi movie because he's not as well dealt in it as the other yeah and guess what people who fucking do that shit when it comes like to video games for example if they're covering games that are outside their preferred genre normally they'll just admit they'll go ah you know I don't normally play these kind of games but you know like I'm for whatever reason it doesn't make them not a critic is it yeah yeah and again like as long as you account for the biosomes that's everyone's fine with it because if you say you don't like I don't know like Star Wars and then you watch Star Wars film and you go well I hate Star Wars anyway well it's like taking the last you've never seen Star Wars before if you have a guy who says I only read books I hate anything on a screen and you and it's not because of like some medical thing he literally just thinks he can't believe it I'd be like okay I'd still be interested to hear you take on something like a movie I love just to see what he says as opposed to and I don't automatically go nah biased like you know why not give it a listen but hey I'm just curious I think his proof here was just that if you love science fiction and you hate rom-coms then you're gonna judge them differently and it's like yes yeah that's just the truth that's just the truth water is wet, oxygens and particles yes reviewing a movie of a genre or a source that he doesn't fully understand without understanding why they work like that you don't understand dinosaur movies there we are if you're at the point where you can't tell if it's a plot hole then maybe you shouldn't say it's a plot hole if you are sure it's a plot hole then say it's a plot hole but what is the hard thing here so if it's a really good story that you don't understand then it's not a really good story because it's failed because you don't understand in no this is a weird dichotomy between it's a plot hole or it's something that I don't understand in Patrick Willems video he says I want to first go over things that aren't plot holes and one of them is plot contrivances which I agree with and then he says another thing that's not plot holes when people get information wrong and it's like okay but yes that's just when they get information wrong you know what I mean what you've just highlighted isn't it's like this is self-evident that's a unique experience that's not you may as well have said it's not a problem when people think it's a problem and they're wrong it's like well yeah by definition water is not where it makes things wet is that I've heard that from a couple of people is that typically accepted because the water what comprises water is usually a body water makes things wet water is not wet is that true water is typically wet because it's surrounded by other particles of water the item that becomes wet no because the water is not making the other water around it wet if someone splashes you with just water and it makes you wet then it was wet to begin with because it's providing wet onto other things if someone splashes no because you'll fucking talk about Brexit or something but if someone splashes you with water the water makes you wet but the water wasn't dry as a yes though a water cannot be dry or wet but would you agree that as a state everything is either dry where or somewhere in between it has to be either it's either dry or wet so water isn't dry therefore it's wet no it's not it's neither it's neither it's neither it's not even possible I don't feel like they should be discussing like in a white room somewhere I mean this happens on eFab all the time it's when the video is basically lost any connection to all of us just floated away in some conversation so when it rains and people say it's wet outside they're lying because it can only be wet no that's not correct I read the chat's responses yes everything out there is wet because the water is on them and you'll get wet if you step out the wetness doesn't exist without the object because the water is just water exactly it's wet, dry or water what would need for conclusion water can't wet itself it's one of those weird things what if there's ice what if there's a piece of ice ice can make things wet no no you take the fucking ice you fucking throw it out perhaps the greatest eFab in history well ice and water are different things is fire hot they're the same thing they're just in different states it's fire hot or just fire makes things hot so ice is just hard water the fact you have to qualify a different shows that they're different things yeah sure but so is ice that's wet wait wait wait is fire hot or does it make things hot fire is hot because heat because heat and wetness don't make the same thing you can measure heat by the speed of the particles and something plus fire is classical I want a physics teacher so anyway Jurassic World water is wet wet means covered or saturated with water or another liquid but typically water particles will be surrounded by water particles yes but they're not wet because of the water but you just said surrounded by water what if you mix water with another liquid does that other liquid become wetter by the water being on it other liquids besides water can make things wet so what however mercury is typically liquid but it does not make things wet no we're not bringing the chemical no no no somebody find the play button where is it made me interested in this genuinely because I use it as a logical sort of counter water is wet and if I'm wrong I cannot use it the sky is blue I would not say that water is wet I would say the sky is blue though because technically color doesn't exist that's opening up its own can of worms you show me right up your ass back up it please covered or saturated with water surely water counts as being saturated and covered in water because it is what is not wet too bad definitions disagree with you that makes the sky blue though the way light refracts through it's our perception of the way that light is refracted so it's in our minds and not actually up in the correct essentially color as a share is a mutually understood phenomenon it is subjective yeah rags covered or saturated with water that's the definition water is covered in water typically if you have a glass of water it's covered in water another one particle of water does not change any property of the other piece of water it doesn't matter the definition is covered in water water is wet because it is surrounded by water until then water is liquid in your drug your drug I submit that a particle of water surrounded by other particles of water therefore makes it wet yes because wetness is the ability of a liquid to adhere to the surface of a solid so when we say that something is wet we mean that the liquid is sticking to the surface of the material so we agree we agree to disagree I will move on with saying water is wet as a water is not wet according to google definitions it is google definitions you should not use as a you use it all the time sometimes but not well would they agree with you no not necessarily no it depends on what it is because google normally gives you colloquial definitions depends on how technical you want to get well ok what if I go with oxford alright I would have to I don't know what the oxford one would be give me a moment oh no because what's strange is that if you type in oxford dictionary it auto fills the first thing is oxford dictionary wet um oxford dictionary wet adjective covered or saturated with water so I guess google grabbed it from oxford when it's covered how much does it have to be covered to be like 70 80% I mean yeah desert could have a droplet of water on it doesn't mean the desert is dry or wet single particle it's dry because it doesn't have wetness I mean I'm ok with a desert one because you could just argue from a sense of like yeah it's free of moisture or liquid it's not wet or moist it's more than 50% is dry than it's typically dry this is getting into like philosophical it's relative to what it normally would be the word saturated was suggested it would be more than half with 50% that's true and then covered as well you wouldn't be covered in water if it was a droplet on a desert would it I am getting really hungry I am so wait wait so just to clarify rags you agree with the oxford definition then I agree with the let me go back to what it was it's ok to agree neither of you are going to be wrong just go I hold to the idea that wetness is a property that is given to things by water or other liquids hashtag team wet possess that wetness this is going to be on twitter tomorrow's a controversy you know that your definition would leave you open to the consistency of what a liquid is halfway becoming a solid at what point is it allowed to become wet only the parts that are bullshit that makes sense the liquids would make the solid parts wet that's why you can look at two pieces of ice and one is mid melt and the other one completely you've drawn a line that a solid can get wet but a wet can't get wet that means there's a point of change no it's not that a wet can get wet that's kind of no it's not that a wet can get wet wetness is a property that's applied to things but you need to get into the quantum physics that's true the argument is both wet and unwet at the same time in many different dimensions you can't be wet and unwet at the same time wait can you wet a liquid now I don't know do you know whether something's wet or not until you observe it and by observing it are you making it no I don't think that observing something makes it wet because something can be wet that's not observed last question can a liquid be wet can a liquid be wet yes no that's what you mean no we'll have to schedule a fully fab debate for whether water is truly wet back to discussing whether or not someone knows whether or not a plot hole is a thing not only they make a bad impression of the movie but will also backfire if it was heavily heavily misinformed to the reviewer but also for the movies themselves as they robbed them from a crowd that was interested in seeing these movies but changed their minds after watching SNMSN's video wow this is absolutely not what I thought the movie was going to be about yeah so if a critic actually sells you bad information like they completely screw up what actually happens in a film to try and sell it as worse than it was then yeah they fucked up or they've done doing damage to the movie in a way yeah they said that on the same opposite side they paid off to give a positive review and then they just lied and mislead you don't want people fluffing a movie up to look better than it actually was because that's just as bad they're going to be getting sales for something that's arguably faulty there's been instances in the past where I've noticed certain films that are sustaining 100% on a rotten tomato critics will go in and deliberately lower their review score just to bring it down off the 100 mark and that's just what the fuck what's the deal with that like how can you let your opinion of something be affected by everyone else's opinion of it that doesn't make any sense someone in chat asked if Rhino Milk is wet by the way we brought this up with I can't remember what EFAP was but someone was getting pedantic about some film that we were covering I was like you'll never be able to outped the EFAP podcast we will go to the extreme lengths to discuss anything next time we'll discuss whether poop is considered a solid or liquid and at what point it changes depending on consistency depends on the diet honestly and can poop be wet poop I can guarantee you that poop can be wet God this poor guy's video if he watches this video he's going to be like why are they talking about water well then we're just going to turn it around why are you talking about 90% of the shit you talked about yeah you know what a public apology for people who really wanted us to cover this video rather than talking about whether water's where I do we're getting back to it it's all bad trippy not one I'd watch the implication with that last quote being that cinemasins spoiled the entire movie for the person which robbed it of a potential sale while misrepresenting it true and the context for Bob Viz's video is criticizing cinemasins and I'm sure Bob Viz would agree that the reverse can take place and that would be bad too so despite cinemasins you can constantly lead peaceable to positive I mean if me, Wolf and Rags all released a video saying you have to see Fallen Kingdom it's the greatest film ever we will generate at least a couple sales for that film well I think the thing is with this especially is that he's picking this argument to defend well a multi-billion dollar film anyway or franchise it's not like a tiny indie film where if one big person on YouTube says nobody watches it and then it kills thousands of dollars of revenue that this person or this indie company can have made I can get that to a degree but again that's like if they made a shit film it's a shit film too bad but my overall sense is context what's the context for every one of these if your point is cinema sends will often misrepresent a film to the point where people think it's bad when they have no idea how good it is yes but that's his video what are you trying to say in your video and honestly that's their prerogative anyway if the audience chooses not to go see or see a film based off of their favorite YouTuber that doesn't tie it up to them that's true but if they were convinced that these were the facts if you know what I mean that Joseph Anderson sold Soma down the fucking river you know it's like I know well you can only wish that the audience is like a perceptive well I don't see other people's opinions on it but well everyone's got all the time in the world to do that shit I don't understand that you know yeah he keeps referencing this and by the way all these comments were taken from the Everything Wrong with video for Get Out one of the best films to come out in the past few years oh yeah that's where I have to disagree with Bob Vids because Get Out is I remember disagreeing with him when I was watching this the problem with Get Out just watch ER's video instead of be going through all the arguments for it but film doesn't make much sense but it's got loads of elements of it that are good I suppose I enjoyed watching it but it wasn't good like it wasn't one of the best films of the past few years yeah I mean that's a bit of a reach maybe if it came out this year and then we start getting into the awkward well again because I said about context you know Bob Vids is one of the best films ever it's like by what metric your own or it's like stand aside the Shawshank Redemption fucking here comes Get Out well I think he said this topical movie about racial tensions don't know about you but that feels pretty gross to me I hate cinemasins by the way even more so than- wow it sounds like you're biased towards his videos and that you're unable to neutrally judge them that's not very neutral to me this video is just crumbling under itself and his awful channel I hate them so much that I feel dirty just mentioning them dude after all this shit you just threw a fucking wolf for referring to the nebulous writers as in he doesn't actually have a name and you're going after an actual guy here wait at the same time say like that you feel dirty talking about them that's being neutral at it be neutral and don't bully individuals because of their work and what does he do? go straight in and does the exact fucking opposite of both of those things hypocrite if you didn't even say it you're a hypocrite as an example here for they are the best example of everything wrong with internet criticism cinemasins is bad for film criticism stop fucking stealing this guy's video he should have just re-uploaded Bob Vitz's video you should have just directed people to it stop playing everything from this people who haven't seen the movie and everything wrong with is based on can be legitimately misled about its quality as I've pointed out a lot of people including cinemasins consider everything wrong with to be review at least in part which is misrepresentation but also contributes to teaching youtube at large that criticism should be judged by its entertainment value rather than the merit of its arguments cinemasins is bad for youtube it touts cinemasins as a success story through recommendations despite its falsehoods cinemasins serves to teach youtubers not to spend time crafting their content and instead turn to video marketing tactics cranking out low effort clickbait videos to maximize engagement and their for profits cinemasins shows its audience that facts are overrated and can be easily excused with satire and comedy which undermines other content on youtube that's more thoughtful and meaning I don't even feel the need to pause it's just what he's saying is very applicable to cinemasins this is part of why we don't cover them because they're just so inefficient at the task they're trying to achieve you're not going to get a good argument though you're just going to instantly just go I wouldn't agree with it or just dismiss it quite quickly so but then the looming question what does this have to do with Jurassic Park apparently well this is the thing are we are we me wolf and everyone else are we the cinemasins of Jurassic Park Falling Kingdom is that no is that what he's saying I don't know he's got like three and a half minutes to bring this back around somehow cinemasins is bad for critical thinking and intellectual honesty people often won't question cinemasins or content like it if it has even a sliver of entertainment value we're going to talk about war until we get to you know some people will probably go back to talking about war because there's nothing to respond to but it's many many contradictions cinemasins serves as a lesson that people can say what we can talk about fucking Bob's video on it like right now anyway Bob is specifically targeting cinemasins this guy is targeting a fucking a wide net of reviewers critics on mass well he's just reaching at anything anyone who didn't like it he's just reaching and explain it away later as a joke it's funny he's using bob vids as a cudgel against people who didn't like Falling Kingdom gotcha now satire or all of these it's funny because I could have made a video criticizing shinobi and playing clips from bob vids the exact same clips literally at a bit like this is the problem with criticism people like shinobi as if these concepts are just get out of criticism free cards and not tools for crafting art hell I hate them so much that I'm not even going to show or even include their Falling Kingdom footage in this entire video jeez that sounds neutral I wish you would have shown something relevant instead like someone that you're really criticizing oh rags we got 3 minutes left I'm sure he's gonna bring it around I'm sure he'll crank it out they aren't that bad of a channel sorry sadstrub said I am subbed to cinema sins but I don't why I don't why it's not like I even watch it anyway because why should I and while we're on the sub oh look he's even got me down there with the last Jedi yeah yeah this will be interesting what's he got to say about me project of these problematic reviews here's another thing that needs to stop long nitpicky summarizations of movies on the why yeah why does that need to stop opening night opening night mine came out like more than a week after and it got fucking taken down several times we need less effort they aren't that bad of a channel the fact that you threw nitpicky in there it's like hmm how many of my questions were nitpicks and not structural errors play that again when the thumbnails come up channel plus it's not like I even watched it anyway because why should I and while we're on the sub so he hasn't even watched your video look at the progress what I will say is sometimes that can be tisomy it can just be a cash in thing it's not generally it doesn't look good what I noticed is that generally it only fucks up when you've watched the whole thing it will show where the progress is wrong but it shouldn't be trusted generally it's very strange he may not have only seen that much he may have seen the whole thing we don't really know he watched Wolf's video dude no I don't want to say this because it's like unfair but I'm assuming he loved Wolf's video because Wolf was an easy target to bring in the insult side of it to be like look how toxic Wolf's being when he uses these insults sure is he wrong this is the thing a lot of people who don't like Wolf will ignore his arguments and focus on his insults that's how the easiest way to discredit someone you know you don't like his content because he's too aggressive or cruel or whatever but if you're going to tell me he doesn't make good arguments because and then you throw it in the thing where he says you're an idiot what about the other hour in 5 minutes what did he say then the man makes arguments just because he throws insults doesn't mean he doesn't does he honestly think we're supposed to believe that's 1 hour 6 minutes and 37 seconds of him just slinging insults with no critical foundation well you can only handle 10 minutes of your video so you can do anything with that and to think I fully edited mine damn you Wolf stealing all my viewers think that needs to stop long nitpicky summarizations of movies on their opening night long summarization and again more of an opening night I'm not sure where he's going for all of that that doesn't make any sense or throw then quick and off the cuff especially for its reviews oh god please don't tell me he's about to say that these are the people we should be like please don't going to give a quick 5 to 10 minutes thoughts of the movie that's fine oh why the content police yeah why is 5 to 10 minutes fine why is it it's very simple all you gotta say is you have two reviews one is 4 minutes and 52 seconds the other one is 5 minutes and 7 seconds which one is better well we have already established criteria so his answer if it isn't the second one if he's not going to say the latter is better because it crosses in between the 5 to 10 minute threshold then he defeats his own argument but making a movie learn the movie pointing out every single oh god forbid we fucking go in depth it's very simple how long should a how long should a video be it should be long enough well he's made I think this selection comes to 4 hours or something more than that his video here so that's too long too long yeah but no he's split them up too long because yeah even this video breaks the rule for reviews yeah it should have been responses maybe those operate on different rules should have been 5 to 10 minutes he did it wrong single thing is not recommended why because these in-depth reviews are dependent on their viewers memory and unless you have a really really strong memory what what no so first off no obviously you have to remember what's happening obviously however however there can be some things that it depends on what topics being discussed and how at length and in depth you want to get in that discussion it's also possible that they had access to the film while they were reviewing it god forbid people have access to the film they're reviewing I can't believe it so massive benefit of the doubt here and talk about how you get a review from John, Bill and Dave and John focuses on the intro being stupid and then he skips over most of the middle and then he gets to the end and he says it was shit and then Bill says the intro was crap but the middle part that's the part we really need to dig into so bad and then Dave does the third option obviously and so you put all three of them together and you get closer to a complete description of what happens in the film and you could say well it's based on what they personally remembered and that's fine but that's not actually a better thing the fact that you're seeing a review that skips parts because they forgot it what the hell are you advocating for what what fucking forgot it so it's sort of useful to people who remember the scenes I think movies typically prefer it if you can remember what happens I'm just imagining him sat in the cinema after finished and he's forgotten the entire movie and he's like that was great I think it was good I don't know I don't remember I'm gonna do a review quick question I don't know if anyone's actually seen the other videos on what they're about but does he actually have a national video defending the film for like its actual criticisms not just the straw bullshit he's been doing I don't know this is like part of a like a four or five part series does anyone know what they are even briefly like what the other ones are gonna be about because I'm so complex if he's gonna talk about the actual film and all I'm pretty sure he does a breakdown of all the arguments in the film so like the idea would be people are collectively complaining that Benjamin Lockwood came out of nowhere I told you about this so I complain about it Wolf does, RLM does he puts all those clips in a row and then he says Benjamin Lockwood is established I don't know if he did that at all yes but like I said he defends that one as Benjamin Lockwood is in the books and it's like that's not that's not a counter think is not recommended why? because these in-depth reviews are dependent on the reviewers memory and unless you have a really real strong memory or rewatch the movie several times to memorize it which by the way is great for supporting this bad movie that you told everybody not to go to good plan never told anybody not to go and see full I don't think I ever told anybody not to go see any movie that I've reviewed actually I'm telling people right now do not buy Fallout 76 well this is the thing I did say I did say don't buy Scarlet of the First Sin and I said it's because you shouldn't encourage like money gouging basically but if you were to buy Scarlet of the First Sin for the same price as DS2 there's a fucking difference I guess the problem is that they gouged out of DS2 and put it into Scarlet of the First Sin and resold the game so like they cheated their audience so I'm saying like it's a bad practice and we shouldn't encourage it by buying it but you know what are you gonna tell me that I shouldn't advise people what do you even be wrong to do that to be like Fallen Kingdom is an awful film don't waste your money I guess he's saying if you're wrong it's not bad but what if you're right and in this case we are how dare you you're going to base your notes on faulty memories and you can't just rewind the movie to a double check what is this argument right now okay so my counter is all of those videos they have great memories well I mean this is the thing tell me any one of you three what is this argument right now this argument is that he's making the assumption that if you make very long form content then it can suffer because you are relying too much on the details that you get strictly from memory and the more you do that the more you open yourself up to misremembering something and therefore making an error which isn't necessarily false in practice but he's gotta actually show it what if they have all good memory what if all those people that you listed the two of them what if they have really good memory then your point doesn't mean anything to give you an example the one a lot of people got wrong from the last Jedi when people said DJ shouldn't have known about the transports um if you tackle say for example I said DJ should have known that in my five hour series and then you go you see he did it I'd be like that's one what about the other valid 500 points he's not quantifying any of these points with actual examples he's just talking about contextless hypothetical situations he'll give names he'll point two people out and then he'll make a point he'll imply an accusation but he won't actually show he won't show how or where once you get to by illegal means wait hang on let's be saying it's impossible to have had a perfect memory of the film unless you have it on camera so what if they did are you saying that it's immoral and therefore even if it's an accurate video it was immoral how dare you pay to go and see a movie then make a review about it longer than 10 minutes and then refresh your memory by watching it again from a moral position if you paid to see the film and then you downloaded a camera to get accurate information about the plot instead of misrepresenting the film and then you didn't resale or rewatch the film for any other purpose than information morally speaking I'd say you're relatively in the clear yeah it's pretty neutral considering it doesn't mean a lost sale similarly would it be morally worse to give people bad information that would affect the sale oh yeah definitely 100% also I just want to say that they didn't know about the cloaking devices how did he deduce that it's like if the logic is that they're using transports the film said this is actually a problem to me the film says that he goes we ran a decloaking device it seems that there are transports why the fuck were you running decloaking scans this whole time you only did it because DJ suggested that they have transports did you not know they had transports let's not talk about this the report came in that you were running too many decloaking scans and so they say if we keep doing it they'll start to cut our budget back a bit they don't have enough battery to do all of that there's not enough batteries now that fuel's an issue apparently who knows we're running out of electricity oh dear that lightbulbs are flickering opinions wrong about something that will stick around forever unless you take it down and redo the whole thing all over again wait yeah those are things that happen what's wrong with that I just want to hear that again to make sure I got the context right can't just rewind the movie to a double check unless you get to by illegal means and when you get your facts and opinions wrong about something when you get your opinions wrong I like that he said that because I feel like he's the kind of person that said opinions can't be wrong yeah to his perspective that's a slip of the tongue correct you can have wrong opinions well this is the problem a lot of people don't know that you can hold an opinion that is based on faulty information meaning that opinion is now incorrect that as a concept it's true that you have that opinion that opinion is incorrect that's difficult for a lot of people stick around forever unless you take it down and redo the whole thing all over again so if I make a mistake I like to acknowledge them so if someone leaves a comment and I read it and I go shit yeah that's actually a mistake there's nothing wrong with that it's actually a good process and if someone makes a video that's an hour long and it's only mistakes and they take it down and re-upload that's also a good thing so I I guess this video is 25 minutes of mistakes so you should probably take it down well you can take the bob vids bits out but I guess because YouTube's algorithms just point a gun to your head and you force yourselves to make something while the movie is still trending I was making my videos well before YouTube's algorithm picked them up so YouTube's algorithm is some bullshit and it changes all the time and we're not being forced to do anything just because the algorithm might be against the kind of video that you put out and it's just power through it through sheer audience retention YouTube recommendation algorithm millions of videos I don't even know what he means by that does he mean the people make those? YouTube has millions of videos you have made millions of videos I was going to say I really don't have I don't even have a hundred yet it feels like millions of videos but then I don't understand the graph either like what this is really a graph well isn't user recommendation literally just users sharing like okay video ranking usually it's determined by view count right that's how they ranked typically it's relevancy to the user then you got comments and demographics which I guess you can be a demographic and a video can be pushed to you because you're in that demographic and then they're separate highly separate things yeah I'm not I don't know what this is for there is an algorithm yes and those aren't the same people who yell at Hollywood for making movies based on trends instead of making good stories in April of 2015 whoa that's a connection that was just made wow the implied hypocrisy of people who criticize Hollywood for following trends but they try to make videos apparently that go along with YouTube's algorithm are you saying he's saying that they've become the very people they swore to destroy I think that's I think it's what he's saying yeah man I think that's actually what he's saying and those aren't the same people who yell at Hollywood for making movies based on trends instead of making good stories in April of 2015 yeah he's saying that long form content isn't good content it's just trying to be trendy instead of being quality just like how Hollywood isn't trying to have quality they're just trying to go with whatever is trendy yeah well it's nice that he's got literally one citation of nostalgia critic making a bet with his brother about which actor was going to be more placid that doesn't even help his point no it doesn't it's just like completely irrelevant to this point he's making here the best you could do is find out how they judge an actor's performance and then go look at it in the film and be like is this fair to considering what they said that's not even what happened they were just telling the audience they had a bet on who would be more who to them would be more placid and they both agreed that it was Kevin Costner so it's such a bizarre moving on I just love that he keeps playing these clips and it's got right there why cinema sins is terrible not why everyone's it's not why baller wolf fucking all those other people are terrible it's why cinema sins is terrible you offend me disney you offend me as somebody who has written and created original things I'm not going to say anything about that comment the comments and say you make videos on youtube using other people's movies blah-de-de-blah-de-de-blah and yes you're right we also make a shit ton of other stuff yeah in finnish they did do skits I believe on different channels I don't know enough about that but what I will say in his defense sort of is that it does take a writing skill to be able to make very long form reviews instead of just if you have an off the cuff reaction obviously anyone can do it and you just hit record and then upload structuring an essay to hit certain beats and have setups and payoffs and almost explain a narrative then you need to have some skill in that department otherwise it'll be a mess it'll have no structure so yes it takes some skill but I don't know cinema sins say you offend me as a writer disney it's like ok also what's with the surrounding noises guys it's on the dashboard it's picking up the vibrations of the car falling into tropes and cliches and cycles that's the point of the whole channel yeah and the irony is that cinema sins is a giant channel of tropes cliches and he just does everything the way he's done it for years this is why bob's vids video is pretty good was tippin long this shit like bob's vids makes points I mean it's not like the intro was this released while alien covenant was in theaters released after it came on home releases yeah cinema sins will usually upload a film that's relevant to the film that's currently being released and then you'll do it once the hd stuff comes out is that still on bob's video still it might be I swear it is I figure I'll recognize bob making this point and you talk about it where we watched it it's definitely something he does and it's a thing a lot of channels do because there will be people who go oh that's kind of I'm interested in that because I'm going to see alien covenant you know that sort of angle it's just it's just search traffic I don't think I have anything specifically wrong with it to be honest it's like it's not there's nothing why are they being criticized they're just being top like I guess they should just is everyone just supposed to make a relevant shit yeah that's the thing not everybody is supposed to make that relevant shit yeah I know that some people like being relevant means more money that they make and so they have a reason to try and make relevant content that's the thing like I cover a relevant movie but I try and do it tangentially to what's being discussed and what's going on so like when infinity war came out video bootleg Marvel movies so there's there's some element of relevancy in what I'm doing does that mean that I'm not a critic now and if you know that it's relevant fall in Kingdom so oh yeah so I'm not a fan you're certainly not a fan it's all about how you want to look at it I mean if I want if most people like my videos and making relevant videos means more people will see my videos then more people will see my content and enjoy it if I make something relevant so what's the problem you're the bad guy now you're just about a cinema sins my issue is less with this more with the quality of the videos themselves I guarantee you if we watched the everything wrong with Aliens video we'd probably pick up a whole bunch of things we disagree with and so if he released a great video to do with aliens around the time alien covenant was coming out that'd be fine with me look for sins in the infamous sequel we thought we'd go back to the franchise and look for sins in the infamous sequel why is it infamous because it's so fucking good I think he means famous it surely didn't mean infamous yeah because aliens is really good I mean correct me if I'm wrong but people don't typically look at aliens as a bad film right that's I I don't oof strange but fair enough when the movie gets to be available in normal releases whatever he gets to see it again in their leisure and you find a cinema sins video shop down your recommendations for everyone to watch and okay so it's bad if we do it within the release it's bad that we do it once it comes out on DVD when is the correct time to review a film just so I know sir yes in minutes just so that's more exact when are we allowed to review it how long is our video allowed to be how negative are we allowed to be let me know all these things because you clearly have the rule book and I've just fucking flushed it on the toilet barely and support lowering the standards like us we've just made this our living so well in fitness man like the shit that he said about Jeremy from cinema sins is still kind of in the back of my head it's like wow you ripped into him after telling us how bad it is to rip into people yeah like all the negativity forces Kelly Marie try it off instagram what if what you said forced fucking Jeremy off instagram what would you say then you hypocrite even further right ever since I started the serious I keep getting comments and tweets saying hey will you make a respond video to this guy please respond to this guy respond to this guy what do you say about this one what about this one you know what you're getting it and we will you're getting it and since I'm angry and fewer said this that means for the entire of this review I'm going to be in my nerd rage mode full on from the start he's really happy about his own thoughts there like I'm going to respond to all of them I get so much correspondence asking me to do stuff because everybody loves my content fuck off yeah we usually reference it here when people like why are you covering this video and it's like oh people asked us to we're not saying it like people have been asking me and rags personally to speak on this you guys have been demanding we can we can own these retards easily because we're so smart but it's already smashed hard so let's get to it and in this show of bad content that'd be correct more ear rape fuck off alright tin the volume down let's just see if he says anything else turn the video off wow hey look there's me there's wolf there's I don't know the rest of these people red light media brown table I know that one tangled that's how it should have ended I think is up there the day it died I don't know that icon I don't either the biggest problem I don't know that icon either table man table man oh that's brown table I know that one oh it is brown table okay I'm pretty sure it is icon does look like a table so you screen round it looks more orangey than brown if I if I'm gonna nitpick we would never do that of this covers we never talk about yeah it's fine I mean I'm orange and that's it's fine it's a fine color it is a fine color so yeah he's got a part two three and four obviously no hate to this man he's he's clearly very opinionated and and passionate he is we I know that he responds more so to me more to me and wolf than in this video so if once wolf comes back we'll consider throwing his part two on and see how far we can get yeah no I think I think interesting to see his take on film criticism it makes no sense whatsoever he's completely inconsistent on this and his whole video acts as a counter to his own points again we said it at some point in this video but like people love integrity people love consistency because otherwise you don't make sense if your argument is full on no movie with pets is good people people probably not going to agree with you but if you fucking flip one day and say no this movie's good and it has pets in it they're going to be really fucking annoyed at you it's just like a straightforward thing people don't like it so structure as well I don't know what the fuck is going on with this video like it started with some strange skit then it moved into how people absurdly don't like people in kingdom then he took one criticism of the film from an article that didn't have any specific details and it wasn't even a criticism really it was just it looks like it was just an opportunity to teach you people about fucking biology but here let this is a topical topic that's the new as most topical things are so let's teach you about dinosaurs because every dinosaurs are you know in the news or in the cycle that's cool and then it drifts into talking about critics I guess and then bob vids gets shoved in a lot that it ends it's like okay anything you guys have to say I'm interested to I'm not but I'm curious no I'm not curious I just want to know if he's got any points at all or if it is just all this sweeping generalizations and then just complete hypocrisy throughout these four parts of this fucking dumpster fire of a video series also yeah we're not going to be able to do a second one because I mean rags is going anyway and yeah I'm basically going to leave we're never going to be able to get through another video about it yeah I was going to say we're going to have to stop you four hours absolutely it accepted about a VFAP and you've got a whole argument about water I'll get that anywhere else but I'll have to read off a couple of super chats quickly give me a moment yo more the worth of buy from majorleys video said copy and paste from retina the Jedi also said hollywood has been invaded by aliens because they don't know what the fuck they're doing invite him on a stream we can look into that because people really did like he's the guy who said fucking millenials it is a rant were you there for that rags or do you miss uh um millenials yeah the uh in majorleys video in the last evap he was he was showing clips from other people and this is guy ranting like crazy against uh the last Jedi at one point he goes these fucking millenials love this films shit like that I think yeah yeah yeah that was funny the best parts of majorleys video were the people that he showed in his video they were funny yeah we'll I'll have a look there's a lot of people we're trying to get through guest wise um absolutely love the evaps evaps boys it keeps me sane during my lawn shifts at work I honestly wish they were longer than five hours can't wait for tfa critique why thank you what makes a man to neutral that's a strong reference as well love the show pulls for 30 minutes and missed nothing it's a beauty um what's the theme of dratical one and two oh the uh you have to look at analysis videos to discover the true themes I'm sure they'll kill lando in nine but going down with lesbo droid from falcon I'm curious if they're gonna bring that back episode nine if they fucking if if lando because here's the thing lando's if lando in any way interacts with a millennium falcon it's he basically now but he already has in the past so you're there you're adding details that he lando didn't have any reason in the old star wars movies the original series to interact with a millennium falcon in a certain way and now he does because of something that happened in a movie that didn't exist back then but it would change his behavior now in the character so it's really oh man it's like either way it sucks like I don't want him to but if he doesn't then that's kind of a problem with what they now have decided to establish it's a mess man it's a fucking mess I think Finn will be the most consistent in episode nine all right we'll see rdr2 is a great game didn't like the music though that's a question I haven't played it stance revolution fire isn't hot it just makes other things hot oh gosh that's where we are in the superchats wet consisting of or containing covered with or soaked with liquids such as water is wet move on f for 69 for being in jail he got him 69 is Kashi 69 he's been done for racketeering and selling weapons and some other shit but before that he was a nonce anyway it's probably best that he goes to jail it's okay it's not in no context for that one well I mean if he's found guilty of racketeering and illegally selling weapons because all the weapons I've sold have been legal so random question I was curious about your opinion on Wonder Woman don't get all the love personally Godot was decent but the rest are so blah I kind of liked the first third enough but then it really drifted off for me and the last third was awful and it's definitely the least offensive recent DC movie I think it's the best DC's had to offer in its little universe and as for Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman I'm fine with it I don't have any problem I need to get ready and head on out so I'll catch you later tonight depending on when I'm around we're pretty much at the end anyway so thank you all for watching Cynic Snacks of course has been a wonderful guest I'm gonna spam his channel in the thing if it fucking loads it's dying for me for no reason it always does this every time at the end not so much at the beginning either way I suppose while I'm doing this if you could just summarize your channel again for him oh yeah so I basically dig around in secondhand stores and charity shops and bargain bins and shit to find literally the worst film on earth and a lot of them don't even have reviews they just completely fly under the radar and I just pick them apart in a hilarious entertaining way and I also animate some shit so it's I don't know I spend hundreds of hours on my videos so go and watch them because it makes me feel good go subscribe he's got a very unique style and it would be nice to get reviewers that have a bit of a different take on things is all I'm saying he deserves more subscribers in my opinion there you go I didn't say it was objective I'm neutral but yeah see you next week I imagine for whatever we decide to cover thank you all for watching and good night