 And so we're recording the meeting. The only agenda item is the. The continued hearing. I'm promoting Tom and Mark to. To panelists so they can speak when they're ready. Nate, do I need to go through the. All the preamble information or can we. Be speedier than that. Okay. Did we already determine it was a significant structure? I can't remember if we did that. We didn't go through that to my room memory. We didn't. Okay. Right. And so I think, you know, there was. We had, and so there was, and here's the agenda. The. The commission wanted to have the site visit before going through the criteria. So I can pull up the criteria if you'd like. If you'd like to go through the criteria. If you'd like to go through the criteria. If you'd like to go through the criteria. Do you want to read the formal one, Jane? I have it. I have. I have it if I can. Manage my screen. You can just do it without showing us. Here we go. Okay. So. Everybody's here. I will welcome you to the Amherst historical commission, which is a meeting of the open meeting law. General law, chapter 30, a paragraph, 20. Signed Thursday, March 12th. 2020. This hearing and meeting is being held virtually using the zoom platform. So I am Jane walled chair of the Amherst historical commission. And so I'm calling this meeting to order at 306 p. M. This meeting is being recorded and minutes are being taken as normal. Because this is a zoom meeting. I'll take a roll call of commission members present. So, let's see. Jan more court. That's it. Pat law. Present. Heady startup. Present. Jane Sheffler. Not present. And Robin Fordham. Not present. And Jane Wald is present. So if we have any technical difficulties, we might need to pause temporarily to rectify the problem and then continue the meeting. And if you do have any problems, just let Nate know. We might, if there are problems, we might need to suspend the discussion while we settle those technical issues and the minutes will note if a disconnection has occurred. Please use the raise hand function to ask a question or make comment. I'll see your hand, your raised hand and call upon you to speak. And after speaking, remember to re mute yourself. Opportunity for public comment will be provided during the general public comment period. And at other appropriate times throughout the meeting, please be aware of the board will not respond to comments during the general public comment period. If you wish to make a comment, this is for members of the public. If you wish to make comment during the public comment period, you must join the meeting via the zoom teleconferencing link, which can be found on the meeting agenda and is located on the town website on the calendar listing for this meeting. Again, for members of the public, please indicate you wish to make a comment by clicking the raise hand button when public comment is solicited. If you've joined the zoom meeting using a telephone, please indicate you wish to make a comment by pressing star nine on your phone. When called on, please identify yourself by stating your full name and address. And put yourself back into mute when finished speaking. Residents are welcome to express their views for up to three minutes and at the discretion of the historical commission chair. If these guidelines are not complied with or the speaker exceeds their live time, their participation will be disconnected from the meeting. So we are continuing a public hearing continuing from March 18th, 2020 and April 22nd, 2020. Concerning a request to demolish the wood frame barn at 197 South Pleasant Street, which is located on the left side of the street. So we are continuing a public hearing on April 14, a dash 195 on by Amherst college. So for the public hearing, I'll first ask Mark Andrews and Tom Davies. If they wish to make any. Comments. Let me correct the record. Robin has joined the meeting. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just saw that. Yeah. So Mark or Tom. Do you have any comments you would like to make? I appreciate everyone coming out to the barn from the walk through and sort of working through all the, the weirdness that we had to go through to keep everybody safe and distance properly. I hope all your questions were answered and you get to see what you wanted to see. Thank you. So I will. Open the discussion to members of the historical commission. If they would like to share any reflections on the site visit. And then we'll need to go through. The criteria for determining whether the structure is a significant structure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to do some images that were taken. During the site visit. I can walk through those. This is. You know, this is upstairs. This is looking at, you know, looking south. So, you know, the stairs are over here on the right. You can see where the previous owner at some point patched to beam and try to support more of the roof structure with some. Makeshift. Elements. Here's a view just showing the, you know. This is on the first floor, although this beam comes into here. It's hard to tell if some of this is a. You know, notched and tagged, you know, Mark and I saw some evidence of that, but on some joints, it actually, it's really difficult to tell how structural the joints are. If they're, I'm not, I don't want to say decorative, but I mean, they're probably serving some structural purpose, but not. You know, I don't know if that means that beams are repurposed, but sometimes it looks as if they weren't. You know, a full post and beam construction. So, you know, I don't know if that's a good idea. Here's another just image of the first floor showing, you know, the center block foundation. And then, you know, this is looking. Looking west, you know, this, so this space is the back. This is just again showing interior structure. There is, it's hard to see in this picture, but there is a lot of, you know, beetle infestation. So you can see, you know, the small, you know, the small, you know, the small, you know, the small, you know, the small, you know, the small holes or wounds from the beetles. And here's just a picture of the barn. So it is, you know, the hedge row makes it less visible from South pleasant street, but this is from, you know, right. Right on the driveway and crosswalk. So, you know, if there weren't vegetation, it would, would be more visible. Those are my comments from the site visit. Okay. Tom. Am I, am I, you can hear me now. So, I, one of the things in the, in the last hearing, you had asked if we could go back and look and see if we could find any other documentation or any other. Evidence about the, you know, where this thing came from, if the 1930 sounds about right or whatever. And Mark and I looked into a little bit. And I think there's not much more to find. I think then what we had shared and more, more to the point what Nate, I think had shared last time. But we, you know, I guess I wanted to address that because it was asked and to say that we, we don't really have much else to offer other than it doesn't show up on a plot plan from Mark. I mean, it's, it's been a long, long time since we have. You know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the 1820s or something like that, right? Yeah. So it doesn't show up on that survey. And then we did ask the former owner of the house. And their thought was that it was a, you know, garage or a carriage house. And they weren't aware of it actually, you know, being used as a barn per se. There were no tools in it like that when they got the house or anything like that, but um, that that doesn't really necessarily provide much information is just all we know at this point. Thank you. Um, I'll just remind you. As I stated at our last meeting or the original hearing that I'm Precusing myself from the discussion I can help to moderate it, but I am an employee of Amherst College and Have a connection to this project in a in another capacity at Amherst College. So I won't be loading and I won't be discussing, but I will call on you if you raise your hand. Pat. I just have a question about the beetle infestation. Does that mean that the wood can't be repurposed? If that were something that we were wanting to discuss? Mark. Yeah, I can answer that. I think what it means is that it's probably not tenable in a structural capacity. There may be some use for it. Probably some use for it to the extent we're not sure until we slice the lumber up and see how bad the infestation is. But there's sort of an ocean and there was from Tom Harris, the general and we took a look at it that some of the lumber could be repurposed as sort of a decorative element, but it's structural days in a modern assembly are probably over. Does that does that mean that the structural integrity of the barn is now compromised? For a barn, I don't know. In terms of any structure that isn't for an agricultural purpose that would have to meet modern seismic requirements and when loading and you'd have to get a structural engineer to stamp. Absolutely not. It would never fly. Okay, thank you. Are there other questions from commission members, Jan, you have. I can't find the raise hand thing anymore on this. Handlers may not be able to raise hands. So I think you can just maybe I raise your hand visibly or just start speaking. Well, I appreciated the site visit. I just wanted to thank Amherst college y'all for putting up with having to take us in one at a time. It was really worth seeing it. And I just want to say before we talk about each point on the designation checklist that it seems to me that entitling in a barn in the demolition request is slightly misleading that it really seems to me it's just a garage that reused structural elements. Construction elements from the previous maybe barn that was there, because some of those timbers look older than the garage itself. And I think that'll affect how we approach the designation discussion. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I kind of agree. It almost seems like this wasn't, you know, some of the old sandborn map showed other structures here and perhaps this was, you know, built repurposing some of those timbers and material because this footprint was never shown on those maps, the earlier maps and it doesn't look like it was ever used for any, you know, and what not really, you know, what would have been for barn in terms of the wrong kind of foundation for the barn it's not big enough for a barn it doesn't have any. You know, the utilitarian features of a bar. Okay. Are we ready to deliberate. I can pull up the criteria. Thank you. Yeah, I've got a copy here but yeah if you could pull them up so people everybody can see them. And remind me Nate do we close the public hearing before we do this part, or is this part of the public hearing. Let me see if I can move this out a little bit the if the commission feels that there's no more information that needs to be heard or submitted it can be a motion to close the hearing and then this is, you know, discussion after the close of the hearing. Okay. Would anyone make a motion to close the public hearing. I make a motion to close the public hearing. Thank you. Thank you. All in favor. I need a roll call. Sorry about that. Oh, that's right. That's right. Okay. Jen Mark part. What am I saying here. Yes. Voting yes on the motion. Sorry. Okay, thank you. Short memory. Okay. Pat off. Voting yes on the motion. Thank you. Thank you. And Robin Fordham. See Robin. Robin. Oh, Robin is not here any longer. That's interesting. She had been maybe a call in. I don't know what happened. I just noticed that right. She's up there either. Okay. Let's check my email. She said she's having trouble with getting audio to work. All right. I'm not sure she'll be able to join us. So that's okay. I guess that's fine. Yes. All right. So that's three in favor, not opposed and one abstention. So we get the public hearing is closed. So let's move to looking at the. Review criteria. So right now on my screen, I see. Jan and only the review criteria in the gallery. So if I, that's fine. This is a. So you're not seeing the criteria in an entirety or. That's correct. Yeah. If you do grid. Grid video. Or slop shared screen with video. Okay. Thank you. That was it. All right. All right. So. We'll be looking at historical importance, architectural importance and geographical importance. So we can. Go. Through these one at a time. First of all, is it listed on or within an area listed on the national register of historic places? Yeah. So historical importance. Does it have the character interest or value as part of the development, heritage. Or cultural characteristics of the town of Amherst, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Or the nation. Now, do we have to. Oh my goodness. Here's a process question. Do we have to go through a. Roll call vote on each of these sub characteristics. Or can we. Can we. Take a vote on historical importance in the aggregate. I guess that's a question for the commission. I mean, sometimes you go through each criteria. I think we could do that. And then. You know, I think if everyone just, if we go down the list and have a voice. Yeah, or nay from, you know, Jan, Heady to Pat, that would work. I personally would find it a lot easier. To make an evaluation based on each of the three categories. Once we've gone through the check, the checklist for each of the categories. And then. You know, make a deliberate, make a pronouncement rather than point by point. So we could discuss point by point, but then come up with an overall decision on the larger category. Yes. Okay. Yeah, we can do that. We need a roll call because it's a virtual meeting. Yes. Right. I see. So does anyone. Have any comments on the first sub head under historical importance character interest or value? It's a tough one. I think it does have. Character. Contributions. Not significant. Character contributions, but it's over a hundred years old. And I think it does have. An extremely. Vital central part of our town. It sits within a context of other interesting. Buildings. So I would say. That it. It does meet the criteria in that capacity. This structure isn't over a hundred years old though. Wasn't it built in the 30s, 1930s? Yeah, it's 2020. So it's 20 years old. 90. It's 85 years old. I mean, that's, it's splitting hairs, but I think that makes a difference in terms of the. Heritage and cultural. Heritage and cultural. Makeup of Amherst in the 19th century versus the early 20th century or first third of the 20th century. It has character, but I'm wondering if it weren't painted red. If it would have as much character to us. Seriously. That's a good point. So if you take away the red, we basically have a garage. Where the workshop upstairs. Exactly. It's with some nice old beans. Yeah. That are bug infested. I mean, I'm not trying to knock it. I'm just saying that I think we're really influenced by the word barn. In the application and in the color. But I don't think it functioned as one. And it's not that old. Maybe the original barn that was there. That those beeps came from that. I'd be really fighting to keep it. But I think it's already compromised. I agree. Okay. So. We'll go to the next one is at the side of an historic event. No. I mean, as far as we know. Identified. George Washington sleep there. I don't know. Identified with a person or group of persons who had some influence on society. The president's mother, she had him. Is that count? I mean, if you have a college president as a son, are you influencing? Well, if you kind of in the barn. But. No. No. Exemplifies the cultural, political, economic, social or historic heritage of the community. No. No. No, it was intended to mimic. But. That's a good point. Okay. So. We'll move on to architectural importance. We don't want to vote on this one. If you feel that this structure meets. Any of the criteria of historical importance. Please. Please. Say yes. Starting with Jan. No. Eddie. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Okay. Three. To three, four, none against one extension. So architectural importance and. Need, I wonder if you could move the. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Does this structure portray the environment of a group of people in an era of history characterized by distinctive architectural style? No. If we go back to the fact that it's more a garage than a barn, you know. Okay. Does it embody distinguishing characteristics of an architectural type? Not well. Precisely. Is it the work of an architect, master builder, or craftsman whose individual work has influenced the development of the town? We hope not. No. Does it contain elements of architectural design, detail, materials, or craftsmanship, which represents a significant innovation? No. Okay. So please indicate your vote, yes or no, if you feel that the structure meets any of the criteria of architectural importance. Jan? No. Eddie? No. Pat? No. Okay. Thank you. Three. Three no's, none in favor, one extension. Geographic importance. Is the site part of related or related to a square park or other distinctive area? No. I'm ambivalent on this. Maybe I'm just swayed by my site visits experience. I was going to try and share with you something from a photograph I took of the view back from the barn to the street. You sent us that, right? What's that? You emailed that to us. Did I? Oh, good. Yes, you did. So they're, they're, yeah. Not very clear. I was very, I just was very struck by the fact that this is part of a sort of interesting conversation between building buildings. Some of which are also owned by MS college. I think it's more. I think in terms of geographic importance. You know, it's interesting. Sitting in the middle of them all. You know, next to a house that was, you know, the president's mother's house, which is a pretty interesting building. And a religious center, which is behind the site, which is also interesting architecturally, you know, the view from the top of the barn is. Interesting towards. The intersection with North Hampton road. I just hope that when they plan this new. Building that, that that is sort of. In, in, in the, in the mix. So I do think it has geographic importance. Yeah. Here's the image, right? How do you tell? Yeah. Yeah. I want to see you. I think that's, that's huge actually, you know, I mean, that's. You know, that's why the driveway is there maybe so that as you drive out of the driveway from your garage, carriage, house, barn, that's what you see. You know, that's very interesting to me. Maybe I'm just really pushing something that doesn't exist for anybody else, but there's a lot of charm. In the sighting and the positioning of these buildings. So that will be true of whatever. Humanities center building is there. I mean, from the second floor, looking East, you'll have that same view. Same view out the hedges. Yep. Probably without the house on the right, but that's the beauty of Amherst college to me is that they've saved so many of these buildings and that the campus is set within this historic centers. So it seems like it's perfect for a humanities center to have that. Yeah, I'm very, I'm very curious and excited about that. I'm sorry. It just, it would seem that the view is intended for the house. And it's kind of a happenstance. That the driveway takes in that same view, but I agree, Heddie, with you that if, and we can't have it speak to the new buildings, that would be ideal. All right. So the. Is the structure as to its unique location or physical characteristics. Does it represent. Established and familiar visual feature of the neighborhood. Village center or the community as a whole. I'm going to stick my neck out and say yes. Yeah, it kind of does. I mean, as much as you can see it. But again, anything would become, I mean, I know I've argued the other side of this. For, you know, like the barn on Montague road, but in this particular case. Anything would be a familiar visual feature sitting there that if you could see it, right? And again, I think the fact that it's. Shaped like a barred and painted red. Is influencing how much we see it as part of this. A particularly special feature in this little neighborhood. Well, I'm not necessarily arguing that we, that we save this. Faux barn. I'm arguing for. The geographic importance of that structure within. It's property property boundaries. But it's more. I'm just going to play the devil's advocate here. It's more. The visual feature of. The vision from there as opposed to the barn being a visual feature for the town. Yeah. As the barn really isn't the garage, the barn really isn't visible from the road, not from one 16. But it's not, it's not something that driving up and down one 16, you go, Oh, look at that impressive barn. You don't notice it. Yeah, it's not part of the streetscape. Right. You notice the house and the house is impressive. It's of a certain age, but the, but the barn is just there. And I, in my opinion, I've gone past that so many times. And until I was asked to review the barn. I never noticed the barn. And I'm a visual person. So I'm just adding that to the conversation. Right. If there are no more comments on that. We'll take a vote on whether you. Believe the structure meets any of the criteria of geographic importance. Jan. I would have to say no, the structure itself is not. Okay. No, the structure itself does not. And Pat. The structure itself does not. Okay. So. The cumulative. Votes on, on these. Three criteria, subjective criteria are that. The structure does, does not meet any. The structure does not meet any of the criteria of significance. So. So at this point, I think, let's see. Do we need to take a, do we need to take a specific vote on approving the demolition request? Yeah, I think a motion could reiterate, Jane, what you just said that there was the structure was not found to be significant and the commission, you know, votes to approve the demolition. So. Okay. So. You know, I can. We can move it along with the inspection services. Yeah. All right. Does someone want to say so moved. Do you want to do it that way? Okay. They all ready to do this really complicated motion, but. No. You're a chain. I don't, I don't, I can't see the agenda to know what the address is. Okay. So. Seeing as one 97 South pleasant street. That, excuse me, the garage behind one 97 South pleasant street. Did not. Did not qualify as a significant structure under the deliberations of the historical commission today. I move that we allow the demolition to. Proceed. I would second that, but I would make an amendment to say the barn slash garage because the request is for a barn. Sure. Fine. Yes. Absolutely. Second. Okay. We have a motion and a second by Pat. If you are in favor of the motion, please signify. Jan. Yes. Eddie. Yes. Pat. Yes. And I'm staying. So three to zero to one. And the, the demolition. Permit is can be moved along. All right. From here. All right. So thank you. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Tom. Thanks, Mark. So I think one thing. It's not, you know, send us all boxes of chocolate. We're all moms, you know, Sunday. Come up here. I do need reminders. And free trade. Dark and dark. No, none of this milk stuff. There's no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Very dark, very dark. There's some on my desk. Oh, but we have to stay six feet away. There's another demolition application for 205 South pleasant street, the adjacent building. And I asked the commission if May 28 works. It's a Thursday. We couldn't have done it the previous week, It wasn't enough time to get a legal ad in for then. So my thought would be just to move the meeting on the 20th and the 28. And combine them both as a hearing and a public meeting. That works for commission members. And the African. Okay. A time. I mean, you know what it, it could be, and now, you know, late afternoon it could be evening. It's really up to the commission what works, you know. Yeah. Yeah. If there were, if it were okay with everybody, I'd rather get it over with in the morning, but because I have other stuff, but whatever works for you all. Fine with me. Morning. Okay. I can do it before 11. So 10 o'clock. Great. 10 o'clock. 10 o'clock works for me. Okay. Is that okay for you, Nate? I just want to make sure that, you know, it also, I mean, if we had other agenda items as part of the public meeting, you know, do we have is an hour long enough or are we anticipating an hour is long enough for the public hearing as well to discuss the house? Oh, that's right. It's awesome. Yeah. Okay. Not nine o'clock. Does that work for everyone? Yep. Works for me. I just want to make sure, you know, do we think does that work for the applicants, Mark and Tom, or do we want to have it be an evening? Fine for me. Tom, I think you're muted. There we go. Sorry. Nine o'clock can work for me. Sure. I think one thing Robin, you know, is working a little bit more now. So she thought she was, you know, the reason she, she tried to connect and then she had trouble with she was at work. So her computer didn't have video. I guess the audio wasn't working very well. So my only concern is Robin can't make it because she's working. Jane, I'm not sure what her, Shepler, her schedule is. So I just, if we, let me pull the rest of the commission members and suggest either nine a.m. or would we want to do it at six p.m. Just, you know, those two times and see what people's availability is. I know, Jane, I'm not. I might not be able to do six, but if you had the other two, you'd be okay without me. If not six, would we do want to do four, nine or four? I mean, I'm. Or three again, whatever. Earlier is better, but whatever. Three or four would be probably a preference for me. I think three would be hard for me. But four, but three 30 or four is okay. I'll pull commission members. I'll say they're nine or 4 p.m. And we'll let Tom, you and Mark know what, you know, what we decide, what does an illegal out out anyways. But all right. All right. And this is the 28th of May. Correct. Okay. Thank you. We'll get your email. All right. Right. Nothing else for today. So, so the Mark and Tom, you're welcome to watch us go through the rest of the agenda in the next like two minutes or, or we could just wave goodbye. So, whatever you like. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Take care. Thank you for that chocolate. And you're not kidding. I know you're not kidding. Well, you know, I'm not, but they believe me. What do you think I'm on these commissions for anyway? So, are there any announcements, Nate? Did you know? The only thing I just noticed in the paper, I think it was yesterday online that Scott Merzbach must have listened or picked up on the civil war tablet discussion at the previous meeting. Maybe he contacted as Anika, I don't know if she was quoted. Kind of paraphrase some of the things she said. I almost looked like quotes, but, you know, maybe I'm not sure if that, you know, if that'll drum up any interest. But, you know, I think he was fair in his article, just saying that there's, you know, she's a proponent of the project and like the tablets to be displayed publicly. You know, he said the commission could become, you know, said Nate Malloy. He said the commission could become a lead with approval of the town manager and council. But, you know, I think it was fair, you know, I was just, I was surprised because he hadn't, Scott hadn't reached out to me about it. Or if he did, I maybe I missed the email, but there's a little article that did that about that. Okay. I missed it. I'll have to go back. Yeah, it wasn't a very large article. It was a small article. And again, I agree with Nate. It sounded like he had the minutes of our meeting or had gotten the transcript and was doing it from that. I think he may have interviewed a sneaker or maybe he was just quoting her from the meeting. I didn't read it that carefully, but I did see it. Yeah. I was a little concerned that it actually explained where they're being stored. I was really surprised about that. That seemed a little sort of oversharing, perhaps is the word. Yeah. That was a good point. I don't think we, I don't, I really, you know, from a perspective of safety and security, you know, that's not good practice really, but. That's a good point. Are there any members of the public present? There are no. Any comments? No. No. And we've already talked about our next meeting date. So thank you for setting that continuing to Canvas to set that up Nate. And I think the only other thing we need is a motion to adjourn. Why do I have to take all the motions? How do you? I'll make the motion. Good. Sorry. Second. I move that we adjourn the meeting. Thank you. And Pat. Second. This is a second. So CJ and you have nothing to do with it at all. Isn't it great? Well, we have, I have two more meetings and that's it. I have one more. Yes. It's sad. I don't want them to adjourn because I'll miss everybody. Wait, just you only have two more historical commission. You know, or we can say that there's some ongoing business, Jan, that you can just have, you have to remain on the commission until it's done. So. Definitely. I don't think the writer's walk signs are going to be installed by June 30th. Are they? Oh no. I mean this, I just, I, Anthony said he, there's some issues with the contract. He's working on it. I just, I'm not even. Good grief. I did remind you. You did. No, you did. And I followed up with Anthony. Thank you. Okay. Good. Do you want me to do it again? No, that's fine. No. I can put it, I know we've adjourned another announcement would be that the owners of five 62 Montague road, you know, are going to proceed with demolition. I guess their permit expired. And Mitch, the owner had said that a contractor, I'd reached out to him. I don't know if it was the one that reached out to any of the members, but he's going to work with someone to. I gave him a photo too, probably. Yeah. So he's going to try to salvage material actually. They're going to salvage. I'll check with him and make sure it was him. He really wanted it. That's good. Cause he will use the stuff. Yeah, it's great. I don't know. The owner didn't give any more indication, but he said that they're trying to salvage. So I thought that was great. Super. Nate, is there any follow up on the main street property? Right. So are we... 460 something, 460. 460 to Main Street. Yeah. The owner had kept the posting on Craigslist and he put another posting in the Gazette as we had requested. And there are a few more people that were interested in another contractor looked, but the results were the same that, you know, the cost of taking it down was more than what the owner, you know, an owner was willing to spend, you know, essentially it would be cheaper for someone to build new on their property and then take this down and build it. So he just actually reached out last week and he hasn't, he's going to start maybe this week to look at taking it down, but he hasn't yet, but there isn't, there's no indication that anything will be salvaged or reused. You know, but he did share, you know, he emailed everything to the town, showing the ads and email correspondence, but nothing fruitful. Thank you. All right. Well, we have a motion and a second to adjourn and now all we have to do is vote. Jan? Oh, we have to vote. This was part of the discussion. Thank you before the vote. Okay, I guess. I'll let you all go have your lives. Pat? Yes. I agree, we adjourned. Okay. I agree, we adjourned. And I too agree. Thanks, everyone. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you. See you on the 28th. Everyone, stay well. Yeah. Likewise. Goodbye. Bye. Bye.