 I started to become restless towards the end of the 1980s due in no small part to Margaret Thatcher and her government. In a sense, you can blame the fact that I came to Erie on Margaret Thatcher. Her government was imposing a lot of measures on the university system. I was getting very uncomfortable with this and I started to question my role within the university system. I enjoyed the teaching, but advancement within the university system didn't necessarily take into account one's complete contributions. Your research was paramount and yet you're expected to do all this teaching which I was doing. So when the opportunity came, one day, out of the blue, an advertisement landed on my desk. I don't know who it came from, friend or foe. It was for the position of the head of what was then called the Rice Genetic Resources Centre at Erie. So I put an application that would be around about September or so 1990. And I was called for interview the first week of January 1991.