 Hi, I'm Celeste with CalTV Entertainment, and I'm here with Simmel. Hi, we're here together. Yes, we are here together, and we're here at Outside Land, so let's see what's on his mind right now. So, are you enjoying Outside Land? Is it your first time here? It is my first time here, and I am enjoying it, and we're like an hour and a half in, so it's like smooth sailing so far. Do you have any really interesting experiences that you've had at this venue or any other venues? I have a ton of interesting experiences at venues over the years, but this is my first time here, and so there's nothing that that strange has happened yet. But I feel like as the day goes on to last day, people might be like on their last sort of bit of energy, and if they take the right combination of substance, it'll either be like a beautiful sort of end to it, or like a nightmare crash, and I'll just be here to observe it, and we'll see how it goes. Yeah, you'll be up on stage observing it all. I will, yeah. It's a good vantage point. Do you have any crazy fan experiences? Oh man. I mean sometimes, like use it, so my music like definitely like, and I invite it, like I like people to share their experiences in life, and then like especially if my music, if they relate to my music in a special way, like love to know about that, and that gets very rare, but sometimes it becomes a little bit like personal, and you know, I'd say for the most part though, people know how to manage their like sort of like thing, and not like go a little too hard into my sort of personal bubble, but it happens, and when it does, it's more like, it is definitely between friends. I'm like, yo, that was crazy, but like it's more like people are just trying to be people, and figure it out, and no one's perfect, so yeah. It's a little bit of a rant, but that's kind of, yeah. No, that was a great answer. Is there any like hidden meaning that you try to put into your music? Not a ton of hidden meaning. I try to be really like open and like straightforward with my songs. Some of them, sometimes I can get pretty metaphoric, and for that reason, like people take it off in their own direction to truly how they will with it, and I think that's actually like very beautiful, so. There's not a ton of hidden meaning, but like, there are some cryptic messages, but they're not like Area 51 style, you know. Great, and so you studied music in college, but how exactly did you get started in it? How young were you? So yeah, I graduated with my music ed degree to be like a band teacher, and around that same time, like I'd started writing songs as well, and did like a record, my first solo record with my friend, and at that time, like John Mayer was exploding, and this is like, you know, I didn't want to be like guy with guitar, so I started a band like right out of college, and we were a band for like 10 years, and then we stopped being a band, and then Simmel started sort of out of my like home basement studio, trying to make sad songs that made me feel good, and went from there, yeah. Did you think you're gonna have like this crazy pivot in your career where you go from sad songs to a completely different genre? Nah, I mean, it's been cool because like, I think basically because I could have that experience as being younger in a band, where like, we were maybe under a bit of different pressure to like make it, or like, you know, make a living at doing it, and now like that I'm like a bit older, and like I have these little kids now, and I'm lucky to be surrounded by people that like encourage like honesty in music, and do what you want, do what you feel, do what you love with music. Because of that, like I'm not really surprised by any sort of a switch up, yeah. Is there any advice that you'd give to yourself when you were either switching to going solo, or just starting out with your band? Yeah, ooh, that's a good question. I'd probably say like, and I try to tell everybody this, that like when they're pursuing something that they like are drawn to, is to not like wait around for anybody to like hold their hand through it. I wish we did way less of that. And in the music industry especially, there's like a lot of toxicity that happens, like in any industry because of money, and money does crazy stuff to people. So when you're like a young person, and you're trying to hustle and like make it in that world, like just don't wait around, like go do it, and force your way into the scene or whatever that scene is. But be honest with yourself, be honest with other people, and be a good person. Great. And so we are reporting for our college. Do you have any crazy college stories that you're willing to share? Man, I went to like two very like mild schools, but like, I think when you get kids in like a conservative experience, like I kind of experienced, they go like crazy, crazy, because you're like basically telling them like, oh don't drink to me, like don't drink at all, like don't do these things. And so all mine were like probably very normal college experiences, but because it was in that like lens of conservative, it just seemed like, oh my gosh, call E news, like TMZ needs to know about this, like but it was just like normal college stuff. So I really have like the most boring college experience when you really look at it. I almost got kicked out of school because I bought and get a drink on his 21st birthday. And at our school, there was some archaic law that said like you couldn't do that. Like it was like, it was this very specific thing and I had to go in front of the dean, this is FPU, I'll call you out by name, FPU in Seattle. And they're like, sorry, you're going to have to write a five page paper about the free method this tradition of not drinking, or you, I don't know, maybe you get dropped from school. And I like very proudly laughed and walked out. But I didn't get thrown out of school. Yeah, you should have gone to UC Berkeley. Yeah, a little different. Yeah, I would have been better off, I'm sure. Maybe, yeah. And my last question, having to do with college as well. Do you have any advice for our college students watching? Don't stay in college if you don't want to. Go do, go do you outside of college because it's way less expensive to do you outside of college. Ain't that the truth. All right, thank you so much for your time. All right, thank you.