 We have no listeners, no one is coming. There we go. It's all ducked down. Let's wait and see. Hello. That was stressful. I haven't got a drink. Look how long it took us to get this sorted. We've nearly got it. We're not even sure if you can hear us. There is no one there, so it's just for posterity later. We're wearing microphones. Who is it? Reveal yourself. YouTube Bot 7674 has entered the conference. Peter Morgan. He's left the conference. He's left the conference. Is there any reason for me being here? Two people. Two people. One is gone. We can see the comments next to the thing. Can you hear us though? What we need to know is that you can actually hear us. Because the sound level here is high. So if you can hear us, give us some signal. Get a sign. Oh well. Jeff's looking up on his Mac now. Comments look. No viewing options there. Well, are you going to introduce yourselves? Hello. It's very loud. That's what's really beautiful about you. Back like me, you're like a pumpkin. A massive sweet note. Thank you. I've not been passing it myself. We're in Tobengard. In London. Hi Mark. Oh. Have fun. Goodbye. We know we can be here, which is good. It's fair to say we've had a few technical problems. But we've managed to get online now. Good evening everyone from the Porter House pub in London. One of the largest pubs in London. Is that right? It's the largest pub in London. I pointed out to the guys earlier on, the last time I was here was 20 years ago. Which was also the first time I was in this pub. My first ever work trip. For BT? Yeah, for BT. Came up to London, met my friend and came here. Damien, if you're out there. I'm giving up on that. It's a lovely pub, it's a lovely place. I can't even remember what I'm drinking now. I need to get another drink. Paul and I are drinking Tempest Medium Dried. Not as good as I thought it was, Tempest Medium Dried. That's alright now. First taste was a bit too dry for me. It's got a bit watered down as our ice has melted. It's a nice refreshing summer drink. I think it's an IPA, it's got stone IPA. It's a bit warm now. It's taken so long to get this technology working. I was quite impressed. I thought of Jack as a technical scrum master at all. But he really showed his cross-functional skills this evening. With wireless microphones and laptops and streaming products. Is it alright? It just turns out that YouTube is just a big deal. Jack, I'm in London. I'm glad to do that. Waterhouse, yeah, the waterhouse. Which to me reminds me of steak. Yeah, I thought it was going to be some sort of steak restaurant. I'm going to move the camera. Look at the walls here, all these different cool beers. It was all forever. It's quite a nice looking pub, isn't it? Yeah. We didn't know you were in town. You didn't know we were in London. We haven't said let's get down and spend an hour playing. We've got to give module and pool. Oh, yeah, it's T-shirts. Official agile podcast merch. So, how did you get all these T-shirts? Cheers. It's a very good fit, actually. All taken aside. It's a nice thought. How did we get one of these shirts? Well, finished. So these are for our patrons, for our patriot members, they get one of these free shirts. And some lots of other merchandise. Frankly, I don't understand what else you would want beyond declaring your love for agile and pubs via a T-shirt based product. So we kind of had Nigel's shirt ceremony with us this evening. Sky Sports were here to watch him receive his shirt for the first time. Paparazzi were following him all the way here. Seriously, it was the pub casting. Wonderful, wonderful. Thank you so much, thank you. I'll play dice. Our favourite special guest. Our only special guest. The other special guest? Oh, that's him. Yeah, a long time ago. Desperate for new material. Desperate. Nice to meet you, Nigel, you're on recovery. Yes, thanks. Yes, I have had not a great week so far. I wasn't very well at the end of the week. I don't normally get ill, and I got ill. And so for the first time in ages, I had to cancel work, which I hate. Absolutely hate. It's something that I feel I'm letting people down, and it just... So I will never cancel if I have to, but I just couldn't physically work. It must have been bad for you to cancel. Because I know that you've been on courses with four when you've been pretty rough. And it must have been pretty bad for you to go back to your hotel room inside. Just quick, just tap out. I got down to reception, basically, with all my materials. I thought I can't go another step. I can't teach, I can't talk. So I had to just go back up. But I was interested because I was talking a little wrong. So Jeff has put out a variety of materials, and it's all very good because you buy them. But you often post stuff on imposter syndrome, which to my shame, I've never felt, obviously. Obviously. Obviously I've never felt I like this stuff. So it's like, look at me. But you do a lot of stuff on people's pleasure. And people's pleasure is something I very much try and do. And very much a people's pleasure. And so that wins a hit like that of me when I couldn't do the work. I felt really, really wretched about it. I didn't worry about how people felt about me. I wanted to not let people down. It was really hard, really hard. Did your client assuage your concerns? Assuage. That's an interesting conversation. I'm sure that would all be worked out by. Because it's unavoidable. Yeah, it happens. It's an inevitable thing. The fact that you've hardly ever had to cancel it was amazing, really. Well, I'm famously the person which is not a recommendation. But I worked the day after my mother died. Oh, yeah. I was on a plane when she died. I thought I knew she was going to die. But still, I couldn't not travel. I had lots of people around that had to do the work. Was it a public course? Yeah, a public course. I thought I had to do it. So that was hard. That was difficult. Did you acknowledge it on the course? Yes. I told everyone at the start. I actually did a little declaration of celebration of my mom at the start. And everyone was very kind. But the best thing was, so I was in the hotel getting ready to start the course, and it was very good. And one of the women who runs the hotel, the business side of it came in to see how I was. I mentioned what happened. And she came back with a cappuccino for me. So I just got this video just thinking about you. It was such a small thing, a cappuccino. It was such a sweet thing. It was the one moment, you know. So it was very beautiful. So for me, it was really hard. I think genuinely, that's one of my weaknesses. It's a good thing. Yeah, it's better being a people-hater. Going around obsessing people about it. Some people do. We all know people who do. They get pleasure from the chaos they cause. Other people's pain? Yeah. I know someone who did, again, this one details wrong, but they did a course on some... I think it's called the Artist's Way or something. What you do tell is a self-help course. But one of the things that you talk about on that course is what they call crazy makers. These are people who, like, just pour of disruption in your life. They're, I think, a very center focus. They're like, they're literally like a come in and shake up your world and you take control of your own destiny. And so a lot of that Artist's Way learning is about how do you take your own space to yourself. They're called Artist's Dates. You don't always have to be a mother, a father, a parent, a child. You can have your own time to do your own thing. And it sort of almost teaches you to be selfish, which is interesting, because some people don't need to be taught that. But I thought it was quite powerful in terms of some of us who don't sometimes think of ourselves enough. Well, we had that quite recently, yesterday, in fact. So part of our advanced from-master class, we required people to do some research on the side of the classroom in order to get certified. So they have to be getting some stuff to go away and learn and reflect on and basically they have some homework to do. And they get a time box to do it and some of them do it quite quickly and some of them don't. And one person left it to the very last minute. And I said, well, just looking through where it looks like it's a bit rushed. And she said, well, yeah, I basically de-prioritized it. There was so much else going on at work to do all this other stuff. And it was me to do stuff for myself. And so Paul said I was a little bit a little bit patronizing in that response. So basically, you do need to put yourself first now and again because if you can't serve yourself if you're not available yourself you're not going to be of service to anybody else. And I think that's something that those in the helping professions are traditionally not very good at. And the Scrum Master is one of those helping professions. There's two classic lines in that, isn't there? Put your oxygen mask on. Will you help anyone else? Or was there a mummy bear? If a mummy bear dies, baby will die. So a mummy bear has to eat first. Because otherwise there's no point to eat. So that's all self-care first. How do you think, Paul? I'm all right, mate. Good for a run. It's self-care? Well, there is no try. There's five flights of stairs to walk up before I get my kit on and then go down five flights of stairs to run. Geoff and I are staying in one of the worst hotels is a bit harsh. One of the most basic hotels is the smallest room I've ever been in. I know the second smallest room I've ever been in. But it's very small. There's no wardrobe. No safe, no where to put your toys apart from four hooks. The shower is in the room, isn't it? The shower is in the room. And you guys are top and tailing each other. There's three rooms in the fifth floor and we're in two of them. But it's... no lift, no... There's a lot of what we might call threshold features that aren't present. Paul's a big fan of landlines in hotels. So a case in point, very good example. You get ill. You're in a hotel. You think you need to be able to phone an ambulance or whatever. I think there is a service that the hotel should provide that you can do that by having to provide your own phone. I think that's what you're paying for. You look like you disagree. Everybody's got a mobile. Really? Commander doesn't deal in absolutes. Only the fifth deal in absolutes. Thank you, nice. That's a Star Wars reference. And also incorrect in terms of Star Wars mythology. No, but I think for me, those basics are something I think you still need. It's mainly because I need to always ring down and get an idea more. That's why. So last night I had to in the hotel find the hotel on Google. Find the hotel phone number on Google. Ring the hotel that I was in from my phone. And say, hi, I'm actually because we don't have no one but Jeff's gone to get a beer. It's kind of like a technical opportunity. What have we got, Jeff? Tue. Tue. He was sending on.