 All right Darius. Hey there. Hey, how's it going? Going well. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. It's been too long Sure. It's good to see you Good to see you and and the other Participants so well, let's see I Guess my thing is Kind of more of a statement, but I think I could there's a question in it, too And it's I'll start by just saying I've been really enjoying the theme you've introduced sometime earlier this year about moral authority and Unfortunately, you had you've had to introduce it in the context of Elizabeth Warren and more recently this retina Yeah, I think I started with a OC too Yes Yes, yes Thank you. So maybe it goes back before this year and and I I mean it's such an important theme and I'll just say in my it resonates with me because in my Profession as you and some others know I'm a financial advisor and I'm the chief investment officer of our wealth management firm and you know, I can kind of stand on my head and show people kind of analytical analysis of historical data but ultimately, you know, I You know, you can't how do you extrapolate that into the future at some point, you know You have to stand on your moral authority either people who kind of take me as having integrity honesty objectivity and And and want to listen to my advice or they don't want to yep It just really comes down to that at the end and so I you know, so that so my question then is So besides those three who you spoke about where moral authority has been strong for them Who can you point to on the positive side besides yourself? And if I may add my little anecdote about myself a moment ago, you know, who can you point to on the positive side? We'll really be size objectivists. Who can you point to on the positive side that you think does? Apply this power of moral authority in their approach Well, I mean I think Almost all successful bad guys do right because that's how they become successful and that's how they convince people And it says not all of them, but but but most of them they Particularly, you know, those are better. We have an ideology that they're trying to project So certainly religion religious leaders project a small authority very well again in the in the service of bad ideas but but but do it well and and half throughout history when I When I talked about Greta, I talked about Joan of Arc and you know Joan of Arc's a good example in history and people I think thought that I view Joan of Arc as a positive Person and therefore when I compared it to Greta, they thought I was talking positively about Greta And no, I view Joan of Arc as a as a mystic widow. I mean she was nuts, right? And and and Joan of Arc was was was was horrible and I don't I can't I can't remember enough history to know if There were good guys and bad guys in the war between the English and French But knowing the English and knowing the French and knowing a lit about a bit about ancient that period in European history My suspicions strong suspicion is no, there are no good guys there. They're all bad guys and who cares who won that war So I So I think all of those You know Churchill and as a positive example think of Churchill Think of think of kind of the moral authority that he exhibited the kind of the certainty that we are the good guys They are the bad guys. We will win. We just need to stay determined and kind of a confidence self esteem But a certainty about the virtue of the fight and the and the value of what they were fighting for So that would be a good positive example I mean so I'm moving up, I mean I start rock Reagan to some extent, right? You know, mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall is certainly an example of a certain And calling the Soviet Union an evil empire now. I think he undercuts himself in other issues But I think at least in some of his speeches He certainly exhibit that kind of moral authority moral certainty moral courage To stand up to evil. I Mean the the sad state of affairs today is there not many people like that, right? On the on the good guy side, right? There's some objectivist there's some free market people But I just don't see that many people stand up for good stuff for good ideas and Using kind of a moral platform to do it on and you know, so using morality in in that way I'm just trying to think I mean business leaders, I mean, it's sad imagine if Imagine if Zuckerberg I mentioned this day of the day if he stood up in front of Congress and I don't accept your authority to ask me These stupid questions and walked out that would have been exhibiting kind of moral courage and moral certainty in But he really didn't do that right? He did the opposite. He cowered before them I Mean I'm sure in business you see it a lot right to your example is a good example and I'm sure in the context of I think Steve Jobs did Steve Jobs had this ability to say I stand behind this and and this is going to be good and I'm certain of it So he conveyed it with a with a certain self-esteem and a confidence and everything that I think people people bought the product because Steve Jobs said and put his whole Persona behind it and people bought into it and I think a lot of that was about his moral certainty in the righteousness of what he was doing And I think most business leaders to be very successful in business have to Convey that to they cut to their employees their customers their clients to the to the people around them, you know We have integrity we're honest and we know what we're doing, you know, we're confident in what we're doing and and so You know, I'm trying to think if there are any other examples out there On on the good guy side. I just don't see that many that much of it I mean among intellectuals, you see it. You see people standing up to the status standing up to socialists, but Just not a not a huge number. Nobody super influential. Thank you You know Yeah, I mean any anybody I mean, I'm thinking Jordan Peterson. I mean Jordan Peterson is very successful and part of that success comes from his Sense of certainty about certain things and and sense of you know, he believes in right or wrong and he has this he conveys this now I don't agree with him on how you define right or wrong, but some of at least what he says. I mean, he conveys in a way that that is Gives it a certain moral weight That comes through when you debate Socialists and a lot of these other people is they dither you actually come out sounding very very solid Yeah, no, absolutely. I think I think that's right. I think that the socialists particularly they sent to me They tend to change their positions. They tend to move because they they don't have a solid ground They don't have a clear idea. They're very few on They're very few that really get it morally Yeah, you know, this is why I think AOC and Greta are Unique because I think they they have the ability to frame issues in terms of morality And not just in terms of well, this will work better than that. I mean if my socialist pal You know that my socialist opponent and my capitalism socialism debate had framed it from more More perspective, I think he would have done better because he would have appealed to the audience Altruism which is already there and indeed when he gave them soft stories when he talked about oh people You know don't have health care and the poor people and you know that's when he got a positive response So, you know, the right way is not to talk about oh socialism could be successful because of this so that the right way If I was a socialist and I was doing this I would talk about the altruistic duty to help to help the poor and socialism You know, maybe doesn't work, but it's the right thing to do and it's the right mechanism by which to do it. So Yeah, I mean that differentiates that the ones who are good at it and the ones are not so good at it now There are many philosophies that would offer that to an individual. Oh, yes There are religions that offer it. There are forms of government that offer it. How does not forms of government? That's politics. That's a different branch That comes later Well, yes, but Governments in some areas in some instances would define for you choices or Dictate to you how to live your life. Yeah But I'll retract governments and just say religions are philosophies. How does objectivism differ? From the philosophies that many of us have been exposed to in our youths philosophies based upon religions theologians dogmatists very first difference Objectivism tells you that it is not right It is not proper to man to take anything on faith Religion is a matter of faith You accept a religion emotionally or because you were born to it. You have not chosen it rationally What objectivism will tell you is that reason? Man's reason is his basic means of survival That is the most important faculty which he has and He has to guide his life and make his choices by means of his Rational faculty. He has to make his own choices, but he has to know how to make them It is immoral for him to act on his emotions to be guided by the whim of the moment that Objectivism holds as very wrong very immoral and Morality in fact consists of following your reason to the best of your ability So the rationality is the basic virtue from which all the others proceed using the super chat And I noticed yesterday when I appealed for support for the show many of you step forward and actually Supported the show for the first time. So I'll do it again. Maybe we'll get some more today If you like what you're hearing if you appreciate what I'm doing then I appreciate your support Those of you who don't yet support the show, please take this opportunity go to Iran book show calm slash support or go to subscribe star calm your own book show and And and make a kind of a monthly contribution to keep this to keep this going. I'm not sure when the next