 Qerfans ar gymryd rhaid i gynrych yn excessi i ranc neid i'r canhylchwynt o'r ddechnie diet. Rwy'n berthynas i ddwy'r bod hwnnw i ddweud 10 o 15 miliwn. Rodi Ministry i gwin i ddweud hwnnw i ddweud ddweud. Rwy'n ni i'n meddwl siaradau roedd dadlaethu er ffordd. I fan atliad, fyddech chi'n meddwl i'ch pleidio, ond i'n meddwl i ddweud hwnnw i ddweud. Si'n cael ei ddechrau i ddweud y llythgrifennu, ond os ydych chi'n cael ei ddweud? Fe gyd yn bwysig i ddweud y cyffredin o'r cyffredin yn gyffredin, a nid oedd y ddweud ei ddweud eich ffapt ynghylchu?sylwch chi'n gwrs, mae hyn arall, ystod y dyma, mae'n golygu'n gwneud y dyma, mae'n cael ei ddweud, mae'n ganddo, mae'n ganddo, a ddweud yn cyfweld, ond y rôl eich bod yn gwneud eich cyffredin, yn gydag 5 gyrsach, Next season, there's 10 million back immediately just on your placens without telly and without anything else. I would suggest if Everton got hammers or Rodriguez, all of a sudden that creates more of an interest for someone like Sky because you're getting this player who is a, he is a well-known player. It'd be more the international market wouldn't it be the South American market? Every market and properly. We have fed this dream a couple of years ago when we signed all those players that these players would get us to a position on the bronze cube and buy and then toast something. In theory it works, same as buying young players and developing them, same theory. However, the young players retain the value and it's not as much of a risk in terms of long term transfering over the squad. But as I say, it's not my opinion, it's not my decision. What about Davey Clashon? 24 million and we sold him for 13 million. But I agree with that. The issue with Davey Clashon is he just couldn't play at the level. So immediately you're losing value Davey. So that's again, that's the exact science of transfers. I just think that he was here, he made the points, it was really good. Kevin's points, there is real value in that. There is like that. If you get those, it's never good to predict, but what you have to look at sometimes I think that makes it an easier pill to swallow. I think if your outlay is 75 million and it's those three coming and obviously we sell and all that, great. But if it's 75 million, forget the wages because players get paid anyway. Forget the wages. If everything could say, well, you know what, we're going to, these three players are putting us in the top eight every season and that gives us, guarantees us four, five, better, 10 million a season. Let's use that rather than 15 of things a bit of a stretch. But say it's, there's almost half, well there's 30 million from it back just on prize money because evidently they're able to finish in that top seven eight places. So immediately it's half the risk of everybody. You're right, you want to develop from that and you look to get money back, but then there has to be a couple of players you get back to. I'm just one of those people who looks big a pitch. I understand that and if you could do that, it'd be fantastic. The club does need your help, we definitely do. No matter who plays for the team, it's around 12 million. But yeah, I think that's key. My issue is when you get to the point of get to your, when you want to go to that next level, you saddle them with players. But how do you get to that next level though? Just hold on. Come on. Will people watch me now? No, no, no, no, go on. By signing pro players, are you alone? Yeah, I don't, I just don't agree with that at all. So no see who does it. Right, hold on. This is where I don't get right. Where is, who else has done this that's gone to that next level? I just don't agree with that. No, I don't agree with that. No, listen. There's evidence. There's facts. I would say to you this last night, wolves have proved that I don't get it. But they're not stuck because they got to the level, that's not the level we aspire to. That's their level they aspire to. Within the bottom half, the point being is, wolves have come up from the championship and got to Europe in their first year. Right? Okay. Second. First. No, that was the first. First, sorry. Right, they've got to the same position in the second season, which was seventh, right? It was only, didn't make Europe because obviously asked no money. They're in a much better position now by having those, by bringing those players in financially. They look like they've only been in the, this'll be the third season. They haven't got the property. They're not financially doggers. But they're a lot more financially secure if they'd come up and add a little wobble and be like, and finish like real or have. We've got all these young players, like Jack Grealish. I think you've got, sometimes you've got to have just a little bit of live in the real world a little bit and go, it can't deal each club, every club that builds themselves up using young players are normally already well established for bull clubs or just, just, it just happens for them. It's a lot less, though. One in the league, though. One in the league with Morgan. But there's more. You ever deal with still, hang on. I don't, I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you can, you can not look at it the other way and say, if we were to buy three players now, I'd rather go out now and go and get three players who are well established and waste money on them. Establish the lockdown. But doesn't matter, if they're established. It's a theory that they're going to be well established. But then you've got to, hang on. No, it's a theory, though, that going out and getting young players. Young is not 24. Leucadine cost, it was 24. I'm not asked. If you've got five Leucadines in this team, the team would be miles better. We can't, we will not get five Leucadines. We can do that out there. We can't, I keep on, right. This is where reality's got to hit. Whatever in football club, right. We've got no name in the game at all. This is defeatist. It's not defeatist, it's reality. It's absolute reality. I'm coming in in a minute. It's reality. It's absolute reality. We are not looking. No, we are not looking. We are not looking at that market because we've already got loads of kids, right. What we need right now is established people to come into this squad who are good players. You think, in theory, they're good players. But you don't know whether they'll be able to play in the Premier League. One of them we know can't, that's a given. The other two or three, it's a gamble. But it's the same. I've said this to 40. Look, Shabshanko came here at 31. He was not the same player as he was in Italy. It's a risk. You put everything to risk. I'd rather take a risk. For my sake, the risk is covered by the fact that you're likely to get your value back if you need to sell them a season later. We will not be able to sell. Say it right. Sound, yes. Touch wood doesn't matter. But if you're sixth from bottom, then what are you going to do? Or is that like, let me just jump in, Matt. Oh, I like the passion. You've both made your points, right. Hang on. Oh, you've both made your points. Like, where I disagree, I agree and disagree. You're saying things like, we can't get players like Luca Deane. We can't. We're quite clearly can't because we're still a Premier League football club. We could get any of those level of players, right. However, if the club aren't looking at that, they're not looking at that. That's fine, yeah. But they're not... Lester, Lester are very much an outlier in how you do things, I think. Because they won the league with a squad. I bet you've put the 80-13 at won the league. It will have been very... They've been 29. They've been two centre backs at 30, yeah. Two centre backs in the 30s. You're at... Where's the right back? Right back was Dengie Simpson. He was about 30. He was about 25. The goalie is 28, 29, then cos he's 33 now. You've got 32. So, I reckon, just off the top of him, yeah, they had... O'ch oesach, he was 30 odd. For me, their league, three in that won the league will have been about 28, 29, right. They had a couple of younger ones. Mahrez was 25. Cante was 24. Drinkwater was 24. But that was a free. They rode the crest of a wave from staying up and then won the league. They done brilliantly and they deserved it cos they got more points than anyone. So, they deserved it. But then that was 2016. Four years later, they finished fifth, right, but they still got winners from that team. Fadi, you know, the keeper, still a couple of other players. What they've done well is they brought in Diddy Inn, who's been brilliant. Madrason's bang after this, we know that. Harvey Barnes is a lad who just does a decent level. I wouldn't love him a level, he's a decent level. Pérez is a bit of, he's easy ozy, mate. He's five, six goals on his arm. He's a man of 80 lemons. I just don't. Two lemons are very good footballer, but I don't think he was as good this year as he was the last half or last year and I think he'll move on. So, they've added some nice players. Don't get me wrong, but they're all that. They're starting from like better, the base where you knew what you were getting. And that's what I want for my team. I look at my team and go, Alex Oboby, 23 years of ace player for Arsenal. Look bright and sharp. Great, we've got him in. He's been pathetic, really. He started off all right. And he's gone downhill. So, we can't afford many more Alex Oboby's. Doesn't matter if he retains his value. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you get players in who retain a value, but your performance levels 13th and 14th, it's costing you 10 million anyway. Whereas the core rate is no gamble for me. It's not a... Well, every player is a gamble, but the core rate is Premier League ready. It's played here for four years. Scored goals, 17 goals were offered, I think, in four years from midfield. On nine, our home of field got last year or less than nine. So, therefore, he comes in. He's not a gamble. Alan is a gamble, but what Alan also is. He's... I've said this to you before. He's just tempo-setter. So, we'll go around, snap people, he'll engage people. He knows how to play the position. Let me just quantify something I just said though while I was talking about it. And I've said this to you both a few times this. We probably do us... We probably do look at a lot of these players that we want. It's just that. Look at Sar. Sar's just gone to Chelsea, right, to day three times if he's going out on loan. He's picking Chelsea all day over us. We'll only learn Tester. No, but if we were in Tester, though, he's still... This is what I'm saying is that. When I say we've got no name in the game, this is the problem. We established with the Gabrielle situation. We can find players all day long and maybe that's a weird situation because we're not going to get them. But in the end of the day, if we see these brilliant players, we never pull... We never get them early enough because we aren't going to risk. Where other clubs, like bigger clubs, like Chelsea, who are bigger at the moment, we'll bring them in and go, well, we'll stick here on loan. Because they've already got that plan in place. That's what I'm saying. That's where I am with this. It's like, I haven't had no plan for any of this. So, someone like Sar, we would be a brilliant sign. But Chelsea, when we've got this plan, it doesn't really matter if it fails on RBR because we'll just sell you. We don't seem to have that plan. That's why it's like... I get what you're saying, because you're putting the plan in place, and that's brilliant. I understand that. The problem is this club just isn't doing that. Well, I think we have got to have an expectation. No, no, you haven't. No, I have. You've got the right idea. No, no, you've got the right idea. Maybe I have, but I expect that from the platform. No, no, and that's the point where I'm just bringing it back to reality. And saying, we ain't doing that. What I'm saying to you is, the light, the light. For me, the way I look at it is, it's got to be somewhere in between at the moment. Chelsea are doing it from a very... Can't compare to Chelsea. No, no, I'm saying. But Chelsea are doing it from a very strong position, and they've just finished third or fourth, wasn't it? They could have won the FA Cup. They finished fourth in the Champions League. They've got good players anyway, and it's like what I've just mentioned with Leicester. Chelsea have still got players that won the league with Conti. They're still a strong team, and he's had a younger player. So they're doing it from a position of strength. It's much more difficult to do it. To lower down the league, you drop Liverpool fan that a few years ago. Klopp was like, get Mark, I'm going to get him, and Royce was like, lad, turn around. Do you want 80 fish pumping? Yeah, he's first choice for any of them. Royce left it to me when it's pumped to the video. He's a man instead, yeah. Exactly. So, you know, it did work out, but you never know, do you? But what I'm saying is, but now Liverpool could probably attract anyone in the world, you know? So it's about building up, and that's what we have to do for. We can't build for them. You're right. No, no, I'm not going to put you out. I'm not saying it, but... I'm not going to say it. The only thing I'm going to say is, is that the people forget. And this is not... The people, I think the fans forget that this season's won season, and players age. So next season, we'll have players enter in 28, 27, 28, 28. They become your expo... This is why when I put those things up last night on Twitter and they've got their ages when they say that, and they go, do not those ages now though, are they? No, because they age through. And that's the point we put you. You should say it. Everton, unfortunately, and this is... I understand the fans. We can't wait for... We can't wait forever. I'm saying that we maybe need to say, you need to build, but we can't. It's all shit to say. What about this, and I've said this to you before. We shine, Alan. 29, the moment. Three-year contract. With an option for fourth year. He's brilliant for two or three years. And then you start to see. But in two years, Tyler on Yang goes 19, 19.5, is looking like he can come in the way we've seen Holgate, the way Stones came in at 19. And he's developed because he's playing with them every day soon, or he does. He's starting to match that in his game. Next summer, Everton sells someone and brands goes, Sangari, or another like that. And goes, we'll have him as well, because you know in 12 months, when Alan's legs really are going, this lad here, who's six for four, is going to be pleased. And then Alan swaps out. That's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping that. I look at brands and think, right, if you're not doing that. The top end transfer. Then you're not doing your job. But the other thing about that is, is that we're not... That works if we're not jumping in and giving clubs what they want. I agree, yeah. And we're not giving the players what they want as well. So if you're taking around to Rodiga's and saying, well, to Midsid and go, we'll give you like eight million quid for them. And what are your wages? Because you're not going to get them here. And the same. We seem to be playing hardball. So if we continue to do that and we're not giving clubs, then I hope it works out. Do you have any worries about players like Alan and Amos Rodriguez, what the motivation is coming for Everton? This is my... This is a slight worry I have. Because they're probably more motivated than Morgan Sniper. Because Sniper, to me, is a classic example of someone who got himself built himself in league one, got himself to the Premier League, got his move to Man United, didn't work, how came to Everton was like, you know what I mean? And that's my worry about players. I didn't want to when he lost this. What's the motivation for any footballer though? When you're on the way up, it's a bit different because you want to put you want to... No, no, I don't think it's stepping stone. Well, I've got a bar Alex of Wobby. Well, the problem with that, I just want to say I don't know what's happened to a Wobby, but maybe he's a standard to drop for Everton. But that's what I'm saying to you. It's not... Every transfer is a risk. And I think Alex of Wobby's a good footballer, but what I'm saying is, we're talking about Hammersrod Rhaegers who's that rail in the grid. He'll probably go to, he'll probably go to, they'll be teams if they're interested in it. He wants to go and play for Carl on Tielotti. Let's understand them. Cos he liked them again. I know he'll use them, yeah. And he'll use them. He likes the stand. He'll probably want to come and try the Premier League. Of course. So that's his motivation to come here. He's got money for me to bother about that, but I looked at the other way and go, well, Wobby for me hasn't hit the heights he should have. He was a bit part player of Arsenal. He played some games and he was out the team. Bit like Oxlater Ambulant for them. Yeah, similar, yeah. Similar kind of thing. So he's on the way up. So his motivation should be bearing through to be. He should be going, I'm going to be, you know, I'm going to carry this club and you know what, in another year or so, this team isn't going anywhere. Someone's coming in and taking me, whether it's Arsenal. If he doesn't get seasoning, it's volleyed out the door, doesn't he? No, no, but I'm saying and that's what I think that's what I've been saying. You've got multiple questions and some players. No, that is my worry. I just, jumbled wrong. It's very, it's, everyone's got different philosophies and I've also got my own. I completely understand if it needs to be better, ASAP. I just think that we need to be careful how we manage this going forward. I think the first season will be fine. Second season will be fine. It's then after that. I don't think with FFP we can have always have money to spend easily. We need to sell players. And then if you say you have to lose them three players because they're all there and then you have to sell with Charleston Dean that's five players, you're best players you have to sell. It's, it becomes much more difficult to maintain the same level. Would you ever have both Phil Neville or Garryff Barry? Barry, yes, because he was cheap. Phil Neville, no, because I didn't like him at the time. But Barry, Barry on a free old day, if I'm much more free I was just afraid I couldn't pick him up on that. I'm not even that bothered. But we did pay money for five years. To be fair, right? I'm not even that bothered about Rodriguez, right? I'm not, I'm not first. If the numbers that go round are true. That wouldn't go nearer, right? My issue at the age is only because it's more than, it was just down to Corey. Fine, I understand that. I understand that. I just feel like, it's too many numbers. I just think, I just think there's too much of this coming to football though. I really do. You know, we would never have gone. We'd resaged though. No, but we would. We'd resaged. We'd never have bought Peter Eag, we'd never have bought Andy. Different. But it's, but it can be, it's still football. It's still players going on the pitch and showing what they've got. I think this is the, no, but this is like, this is what's being lost. This is like, I fully get what you're talking about, but I look at those players on the pitch that we've got right now and go, there's not a man amongst you. There's not a leader amongst you. Do you rate Johnny Evans? Johnny Evans, he was good when he met that man on your night. The issue to Johnny was that he was injured too much, but he's made that well for the last time. Cos Everton, Three million. Everton McClubs are getting number three million and people at the clubs this year old. I think it's, I think what it is is, he's gone on and done all right for the last time. He's done all right, yeah. They've got a couple of occasions said Draft that he can like sort of work. But that's why, and that's fully right, because that's why that works, cos he's surrounded by good players or younger players. And I actually, when I looked at the players last night when we were talking about this, the players we've got all genuinely fit in to having a couple of older players in the squad. Now I know you don't like buying those older players. I just think that at some point, there has to be that. I know we've had this before, we had a lot of slatter and stuff like that. You know, you don't well at it in my life. But that's different for me and I appreciate that. But I just think it's some time. What a play you can offer in experience and what you'll do to the rest of the squad. Just, there's no figure on here, if that can tell me, as a football fan, that you can go, oh yeah, but, and I think that sometimes just gets a little bit lost in the conversation. I completely understand that. What I would say is, if we just that call on to Lothi, that's the man in there. We didn't have brands, we didn't have a director of football. Scared me to death, we're gone. Right? And it was just the man in there buying. And Auntie Lothi was like, I want to buy him and I want to buy him and I want to buy him. I'd be gone. We're going to be in trouble here, right? But I'm hoping, because to be fair, there was an article, I think Dom and the King, it was, when Cuman was here. And remember me and you, we were being a little bit annoyed about it at the time, but he's been proven, right? When we were signing, he was like Cuman's just signing players for now, remember? And we were like, yeah, but he's getting the right kind then. That didn't work for Evan and I'm paying the thing, right? But my trust is that I've got a bit, I know a lot of people haven't, and I accept it, but I've got a bit of faith in brands to be sat there going, right, with Auntie Lothi. Right, you want him and him, and they're in age that we don't really buy at, because we need to be buying younger. But I'll give you them three because them three will buy you and me time, right? But as well as them three, I've got me eye on him, him and him, and they're 19, 20 and 21, and they're going to be integrated over the next 18 months into this squad. Niels and Cuncw, the perfect thing. We've got the kid in, physically looks like he's at home. He's ready to go, he's pacey, he'll have to learn all the little, the way to play it, when not to. He's perfect. Now, we've got Llewka Dyn 27, got him the overlap there. Now, brands' responsibility isn't Alan, it isn't D'Corey, it isn't Hammers Rodrígue, because if he comes in, or whoever, his responsibility for me will be buying three lads over the next 18 months who are going to come into our team, who can then be phased in and phased out. And if they're good enough and someone comes in and goes 50 million, you go, off you go, so we've paid seven for you, or 10. And 50, thank you, that means you can pay 200 million for the next three or four and we've replaced you and you do it like that. If it isn't done like that, then I'd be sat there with you going. Shall I not have to realise having this conversation, because I've obviously got questions, is that I think both sides of the spectrum, it's about trust, like for example, I don't think a lot of fans trust brands to be able to do the young player thing because it's not come right and I don't trust the club to have a plan like you're talking about and I think that if the club communicates that was the plan, exactly what you're talking about right there, I'd go. The problem is the plan we've spoken about this loads of times but yeah, there's three different plans. Yeah, exactly. There's three different plans. That's the issue, yeah. I think it's the club and the lack of confidence for having these debates. I think we need, like you said, to go right down the middle. You'd have a one for now. If you did exactly the way you did it, then I'd go. Go ahead. Carl develops his own players. Seems like a plan. We'll build these behind them. They won't cost us a lot so there's where you save your money there in the middle but we need to see that hopefully. That's what it is. And I think we need to be honest just to finish. We've needed a manager who can carry the club while we do this and I do think we have the right man. Go ahead. Next question. Next one.