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Um, I was born in Congo, uh, democratic republic of Congo Known then as Zaire um came to the UK age three grew up originally Entallaged for like the first maybe year in Britain And then where I mainly grew up was Peckham South East London on the Gloucester estate and what were you like as a kid? Um, I was energetic. Um, I was chatty Um, it quite intelligent. I was always in the top setting school very good at football For in year four as you play for the year 16 Growing up in Peckham. Um, at the beginning was fun I was oblivious to where exactly I was. Um, grew up in the Gloucester estate, but at the time when you're Seven eight nine years old, you don't see the crime. You just see all the people hanging around the streets But you don't know what they're doing, but we used to go outside every summer Play football running around and as a kid, you never really know where you at But you know where that come from that come from the people the big homies on the block They don't let you really know They try to keep it away from the kids until until they that age where they could you know Do what they Not saying I can do any of that The transition was when they're knocked down across the estate and 97 we moved to the new sort of building that meant to be Much nicer, which it was um in terms of appearance, but that's when We moved into year seven and that's when I started finding out. Oh, this is where I am in Peckham So the gangs the crime of violence you come more aware of it You were recruited by the Peckham boys Can you speak about how that kind of first came to be Peckham boys gang in southeast london? Yeah, I mean with the Peckham boys It was a thing that way my older brother was kind of affiliated with him already And he's come back home telling me stories and he's a thing like wow Who are these guys because everyone had nicknames so it's like that Shout out to Zach man Subscribe Appreciate it Avengers or the Sort of mutant heroes whatever it is. So it was literally I was still kind of wanting to play football So year seven year eight and the majority of year nine I kind of kept away from that. I saw them. I thought those cool people and I I've known to quite a few of them, but nothing where I was kind of involved It was an incident one day. I borrowed. Well, I say borrowed. I took my brother's hat with his knowledge and I was walking on the street heading home and where our house is By the Peckham post swimming pool in the library is where everyone hangs around So we live just on the house the new building build houses there And I was walking by one of the Peckham boys came over and said, oh, let me see that hat Usually when someone says let me see that hat or let me see that phone whatever it is. They're trying to rob you Yeah, it's over with the same way in Chicago If you on the train if you in any public space and somebody said you got a phone I could use hell. No, I ain't got no phone you can use Do I look like I just let people use my phone? I got a phone for me Not for you. Hey, that's how aggressive I used to be. All right Can I use your phone? Why gone somewhere? And I look like I got goofy written across my forehead I'm like, no, we can't see the hat we doing someone says let me see that hat or let me see that phone Whatever it is they're trying to rob you and I'm like, no, we can't see the hat What are you doing? And they're like, give me the hat then someone else who knew who I was came over and said, are we doing that's Carly's little robot He's like, oh, I didn't know oh, you're one of us man And that was my recruitment process. So the next day when I'm walking past like where you going come And literally I was a peckham boy from there for anyone who might not know Can you just kind of explain like what the peckham boys are and kind of how the gang Structure in like south London works. Yeah, I mean the peckham boys were People don't like to say the word gang, but it was a gang We used to run around terrorizing other areas other areas just running around trying to terrorize us The older look there's a hierarchy. So there was to be the PMS, which is the peckham man's Then there was the YPB with the young peckham boys Then there was the YYPB, which I was part of which is the younger younger peckham boys And even goes down to the PKS at the time, which was the peckham kids And some of the stuff we would do at our age was very trivial I've never been to G-checking girls in Chicago. I'm a girl that grew up in south London, but never been to G-check Not really It's like a touchy like it's like If you were a girl and you were involved and you were clearly involved and yeah Because because people gonna know about you because you stand out already So as soon as they see you come and they on that with you they gonna get on your ass They're gonna get on your bumper. So Other than that like females they mess with the other side And the guys from the other side That the females the opposite side of the females that are getting messed with they They try to pull them because it's like a slap in the other side's face, you know, things like that Stuff Like it'll be your petty street robberies and then you sell drugs for the older lot And then we'll go to places like death for the new cross have beef for the ghetto boys from there And then I think as you get older, that's when the ghetto boys street gang base in south london Criminalities will change and it becomes more serious Mainly my thing at the time was rubbing phones. We used to go rubbing people's phones And you get about 80 pound 100 pound a phone. So as a 14 15 year old, that's a lot of money I can go now and buy the latest Night train as well before My parents will buy me that one pair trainer, which I would have had for the whole year Now I can go buy three four without their their kind of knowledge So wouldn't say it was making crazy amount of money, but it was money indeed when we kind of got to like 16 17 That's when you start selling drugs and with that you're kind of making a bit more money. So you may be making like 400 500 pound weekly kind of thing. Yeah For me the crime sort of escalated sounds like London like it was more on a money thing Chicago you know some other stuff, man That's not what they're using 16 17 15 year old for some of them, but It's another progress I tried to go college so many times on my first year I went to Richmond I'm college and studying A levels for A levels Because of my behavior and stuff had issues with my parents at home and then I left And I was 17 at the time and I remember playing for fish athletic at the time The knack would just fish FC, but fish athletic at the time Got a part time job at peacocks and then was also selling weed So I was doing all of those things at 17 peacocks are British high-season street clothes By myself living living on my own and there's just it became too much So something had to go and it was um education first our quick education at the time I quit my job at peacock. I was trying to concentrate on the football and selling drugs And I just came to a point one day one of my friends told me I got a security van robbery I'm like security man. What's that all those people carry the suitcases with the money? I said, I'm not doing that That's crazy. I can understand that A lot of things would do but you're telling me I said no, I'm not doing it The next day He went and done it and he came back with 10,000 pound in cash And I was like that's the first time I've ever seen that amount of cash and then my head was spun I'm like when are we next growing? I remember in 2006 I started wanting to get back involved in football It's sad man Not even not even on the gang like but like in general like people don't believe it till they see it I kind of stopped and I signed that kid on an ill food. Um fc. I was playing the reserves First team reserve first team reserve and I was doing quite well. Um, I was getting a lot of goals and then I remember at the time A guy gentleman called mark battler from ashford town middlesex Signed me and I remember I was making my debut For ashford town middlesex and we were going to play against folks in fc And on this friday, I met with some old friends from peckham who's also doing the rubries. They had planned a rubby the next day Uh with one of my friends, uh, javari cryton and I said, yeah, no, I can't come and make my debut They're like, you sure? Yeah, you guys go The next day, um, I'm on a Coach with my team javari called me that day in the morning and he said, oh, I've done the rubbery But I think these guys are trying to bump me I like they try to bump you how he's like, um With I've done the rubbery but they're saying that the money's not in there's no money in there But I'm trying to call them and they're not answering and so on So he's like I can see them as well. They're trying to pretend they're not there So he said, I'll call your brother see if you can sort out such as to call my brother and brother said, uh, Let me see what I can do But I think javari was quite impatient And he's gone on there and had an argument with him and one of the guys have ended up stabbing him So I remember one of the guys, um that I knew called me said Oh my god. Oh my god. I think javari is dying. I think it's javari is dying I'm like, what do you mean? Say he's on he's on the floor. He's just being stabbed His eyes are not open's eyes are closed now I'm kind of facing two worlds because This world where I am right now is the football world where I'm not involved in any committee Trying to do the right thing you sound like you were straddling that fence low key Like sometimes you got to drop them friends man because they just gonna pull you back into their life like so No one knows about my history or background and now this is kind of infiltrating My my my reality right now. So it's like I'm trying to Keep calm and people are kind of looking around because I'm kind of shy. Now, what do you mean? He's there. What do you mean there? So people looking around like what's going on? And I'm said look cool the ambulance. I'm just make sure you call the ambulance So I kind of hung up the phone in my head that you know what the ambulance has come He's made it. He's alive and everything's gonna be cool once I finish the game We lost 3-1 that day. I made my debut But as soon as I switched on my phone I saw so many messages and missed calls and voicemails And I just knew I just knew so before I gave a listen to them. I called my brother. I'm sorry man I'm sorry and I just knew that Javari had been killed Javari crying instead to death age 21 RIP The killing of Javari sparked immediate gang retaliation All because they tried to back down Javari over some money from a job You see what I'm saying? There's no honor among thieves Y'all went in there did that together then they tried to cut him out and Javari wasn't going Two gunmen shot at 15 year old boy in his bed Believed him to be someone else. False mistaken identity Police identified Bobby as a suspect of the thing It went downhill quick My brother's called me up. Don't go to mom Hey ice my car's out of warranty and I'm worried about a big auto repair bill. I have the answer Is this Alan irison? What the heck? Now you know you ain't getting no cut in that barbershop My bad Peckham my brother's called me up. Don't go to mom's house and Peckham Armed police are here looking for you. So I'm thinking wow and at this point. I had like lots of Items in my house, but I didn't know the police didn't know where I lived. So, um, I just panicked though So I called a girl that I've seen at the time as well. I said don't come to my house quickly. I just piled um all the new clothes and everything into a house all the money into Put it all in bin bags to hold it to take it all the drugs that I had that was starting to sell again Pull it all in there. She took them Then I went over to my mom's who's down the road And see what the commotion was and like there's a helicopter there on police then I've kind of gone to the lot All right guys, um, I'm who you're looking for and Rebecca Sanger. They like move move. I'm not no I'm the guy you're looking for them. Oh get down the black the Machine guys get down get down get down. I put put me in the floor had my hands behind my head And they got me out in the office. I came over and said yes, I'm arresting you a suspicion of murder I'm like what murder for what they took me to Um You know what's crazy somebody gave his name up Somebody gave that name his name They don't just come with they like that. They gotta have like they gotta have They gotta have an inside guy. You're just gonna come straight at me. Like what you mean? Like somebody gave him that name police station in Southland and woofer police station And at that point that I was still being quite arrogant come like you guys Got the wrong guy just wasting my time. You're wasting everyone's time here Then two other officers approached me and they said, um, we're from flying squad and we're resting you forever on conspiracy to rub That's where my heart sunk. I was like Yeah, because I was definitely in front of the rubbery. So But the next day when they done all the interviews the rubries they brought up had nothing to do with me I'm like, oh Yeah, like these rubries you guys said on this day on this day. I was here. I was there nothing to do with me so I was released Under on on bail on the investigation But at that point I should have just stopped that it's hot But at that point like you said, yeah, all eyes are on you at this point We're also used to the money and then I continued to do the rubries and then on the 13th of march We went and done a robbery uh rains park training station Um, 27 000 pound from the station training station was robbed And and that we're getting cool And that's when everything kind of changed. I remember I was hiding um As a gateway driver with two young people we robbed the train station Making our way back home. Um as I got to Wimbledon, uh Wimbledon area, um, I think someone had spotted a car a police officer started walking towards the car Didn't know it was a police officer at first He's walking walking walking all of a sudden he's trying to open my door like police open up Then I sped hit the car in front of me run around drove And what I used to do, um I was just wearing dark clothing as overalls But underneath I'd wear sort of bright colored coat clothing all sort of like a Football jersey whatever so my whole thing was that if I had to discard my clothes and all of a sudden They're looking for someone dark clothing, but now I've got bright color clothing and I'm running in football gear They stopped me. I'm like, oh now I'm just a jogger I see how you was thinking my boy They didn't think that did that work? I was my kind of plan. But anyway, I still a big black dude like Run into some garden and hit there for ages. I remember there's a police helicopter up and down and in my head I was like My missus gonna be it's called me to go and pick her up. Well, I feel him just stay here and at one point I could hear that Sniffling or something like sniffling on the dog. Don't tell me there's a dog in this garden And I looked up and there's a police officer of his radio and your fruities dug over And I literally ran into the back of the garden of the house There's a woman in there with her daughter and she screamed because you just imagine this big six foot two Guy just ran inside your house at this point. I should have just given up I don't know what I thought I was doing. I ran upstairs I barricaded myself in the in one of the bedrooms of the bar from I can't remember And they let open up open up. I'm trying to use all my strength. I'm like really truly where the hell am I going? But then they broke in the door The officer gave me one punch. I think that's the hardest punch I've ever felt like hit me to the floor And they just started beating this I mean and I always used to that say I'm gonna sue the police I mean and then they had the dog like this big rock rally like my arm is all that even to this day I've got all the scars and this was like the big puncher there Like the dog was just chewing my arm and that does I'm like the dog's chewing me chewing me He's biting me. They like shout out. They're kicking me and I always thought I'm gonna sue the police for this But I thought actually end of the day you run into someone's house. The police don't know if you've got weapons or not So their first thing is let's protect this family. So By every means they had the right to to beat me up. But then I went to They took me to the police station and let it take me to the hospital to get a tetanus jab then went to the went to Court the next day and then I was reminded they told me I'm like reminded I thought I was gonna get a barrel Like now you'll be reminded bail bail You ain't getting bail buddy You just did a whole 27 thousand dollar robbery took the police on a chase broken and entering a woman's crib Barricaded yourself in the bathroom got beat up by the police bit by the dog You know what I'm saying? It's over I broke them in tears I never cried so much because I was hyperventilated and all that what you mean You're gonna say you're going to fail and mother and at this point you're hearing all these violence that goes on HM prison felt in a younger fingers institution for boys and young men age 15 to 21 How has my life turned out like this? I was intelligent in school I was in top set. I was good at football just signed for ashford town What am I doing guiding into prison? I just couldn't sort of fathom like what have you done with your life? Literally a product of his environment literally Yeah, and all that going for you, but your environment drives you down Like this is what I be hearing all the time If you put yourself if you're even if you're a billionaire If you're a billionaire and you take the chance you take the moment to surround yourself with people People that's robbing and stealing and partying you're gonna go down You can't bring all them people up, but you're gonna steep down to their level And be on that same mental playground as them no matter what That's why sometimes it's good to separate yourself And grow up, you can't you got to cut them old roots simple They gave me like two or three different sentences which all together ended up me being in prison for eight years Damn just kind of speak about your experience of being in prison Yeah, I mean, uh prison was tough in regards to Just being away from your friends and family and not being able to do the things you wanted to do You can see people going out and enjoying themselves. They're just stuck in yourself, especially in the summer I was always quite entrepreneurial. So, um, every prison I went to I was kind of the go-to guy I opened up a remember You don't have to But if you don't want to see ads sub up bait and shop and a bookies and a casino And the casino was the big money maker, man I used to have a blackjack table and literally I would loan you recent make You can buy a sort of arts and crafts sort of Pieces and we used to get the matchsticks And that will be the chips. So I'll loan you maybe 50 pound worth of chips each chip cost five pound And all you had to do was give me back my chips and whatever you got on top That's your profit kind of thing. So that's how I kind of kept myself occupied while I was in prison But I also studied so I went and done a degree in criminology and social policy which was funded by the open university And that taught me a lot about myself and about my environment And by the time you got released eight years later, how do you think you'd changed as a person? Yeah, so, um, I was released on the 24th of february 2015 And I said, so you've been out eight years. What can I do to make sure I don't go back to jail? First thing don't hang around with the same people to hang around with The that's number one because I looked at it like these people didn't visit you prison. They didn't send you money So why are you gonna go back hang around with these people? They forgot about you Secondly spending more time with my family. They always do It's probably like one or two people that are probably keeping contact for the first year or two But then after that, it's like maybe one Like the hood don't love you as much as you love the hood trust it Right because the more you spend time with your family the more you don't be away from them And thirdly you're just back trying to Be legit. I didn't I know I knew I didn't want to go and work for someone but I'd made plans But initially you come out of prison. You're broke. I'm making a lot of money in prison. I've come out of prison now I can't make money. I can't go open up a shop or a betting shop or a bookies So, um, I literally went and done a night shift at a bagel factory called mr. Bagels in Hackneywick And I remember just working there using that money to fund the football club We go out fundraising with buckets outside the test scores I remember a company called age group was buying mr. Bagels. I approached him and said look, I've just come out of prison I used this Job to find my football club then he started sponsoring the football club Then he put me in a salary because I was good at marketing getting my story out there And through the back of that, um, he put me in a 28,000 pan a year salary like a year after coming out of jail And then just build up the football team over and over again Sometimes that's all I'll be taking is somebody to trust in you Somebody to see the the vision that you got Somebody to see the change that you've made, you know saying as a result of His fundraising efforts bobby funded hackney's wicks fc in east london since 2015 it has been The community football hub for young people and adults Just knowing how I was as a young person knowing that I was so good at football I had opportunities and I messed it up. I didn't want the young people to follow in that journey So what more than could provide them with a platform and with lived experiences So you know what you guys don't have to do this because I went through this This is a different angle and for young people How do you think sport or being part of like a football club can impact their life positively? I mean sport for me is a unifier like for example, right We're in hackney wick, right? And we provide football for the whole borough We've got young people who come from homerton from dolston from hackney wick from london fields from stout newton All these areas don't get along they don't get along at all Where we bring them all together to come and play football and Hoping to build that familiarity. God forbid later on in life. They're both kind of joining gangs, right? That can save their lives because if there's an issue someone say, all right Nah, I leave him alone man. I used to play football with him when I was eight at hackney wick I know his mom so that familiarity can also sometimes aid but also just the opportunity that we provide like For example, uh, the tournament I run every year the 32 borough cup london has 32 boroughs World cup has 32 teams So my whole ethos of why can't I bring all these young people from london together who don't know each other Who are scared to go to neighboring boroughs just because of these fake borders They say that you guys could be friends. I have you know what that did like that remind me of basketball in chicago does that for a lot of kids You know, I knew so many people just from hoping It helps when you good at it too, but like Yeah Over 25 people that I stopped a lot of issues too though because you would see random people on the street like Yo, yo, yo like no, no, no. I know him chill out Oh that being killed some of them didn't reach the age of 16 Some of them didn't reach the age of 18 some never 21. Some of them never got to go on holiday Didn't get to experience having children My dude is like my best friends and if I never had them I don't know how where I would be world motivate me So you It's a fact and I think we young people you guys forget that gang Era that you have age is only between 18 to about 24. That's a small segment of your life You still got to reach 40 you still got to reach 50 you still reach 60 You know to be a gang member at 60 are you so the main thing is that Don't risk your life for this small period of your life when there's so much more life to live I don't talk about it. Bobby W bobby man till I leave a like comment subscribe turn on your post notification bell some go