 So I come immediately with like excusing myself because so much came up at the end of the year. Hey guys, can you hear me? Yes, sorry. And now with the correct microphone, which should pick me up better. I'm surprised by Bartek looking here because he actually poked everyone of us just 10 minutes ago so he should be here. So while we wait, Steve, I hope everything I just said during the CFC explainer was pretty much. Honestly, yeah, if in hindsight, we should have called or I should have coordinated this. I'm glad I hit the right notes. Yep. I think the conversation was good. I think the topic was great. So no issues. So also why we write chess pieces behind you are those non 3D printed and thus boring. Hi. Hello. And to anyone who has not been touched by the magic of 3D printing. It's one of the most useful tools, which, which came out in the recent 10 years or so. Like user accessible. They're VMware blocks. So there's some artists that made them. They look like they're 3D printed, but they're, they're art. Yeah, one doesn't recruit the other, even though I'm more of a functional print part or side of the discussion myself. I really hope that we can get to a model where we don't have to wait those magic five minutes and just start on time but on the other end losing half of the audience. So I hope everyone had a nice new years and everything and no recent cool attempts or anything. Yeah, so let's get started. Everyone who misses this day can just look at the recording. As a point of order, I, we need to try and get this moving. Really, of course, it's highly unfair to the people who actually show up on time, which pretty much includes all of the people here. And it's just totally unfair taking, taking those five minutes away from all of you. Instead of just getting going. As a reminder, put yourself into the attendance of the reading notes which are here. Just LinkedIn check. So people see the work you do. We only have one point on the agenda, which I currently hope with my name. So let me restructure this a little bit. It's basically updates all around. So first, as an update, over the years, there happened, I think a total of two or was it three open telemetry and open metrics calls combined. But the most recent one was a workshop, which happened on Friday night. Friday at Friday during the day for 40 s Friday night for for EMEA, which even has voting quorum by, by permissive team in attendance, even though most of permissive team is in here, which tells you how seriously permissive team is taking that meeting and that effort to try and align. There was a lot of details, a lot of information. There's still some, some fundamental things which, which are currently not compatible between open telemetry and open metrics or Prometheus and a second tier of things which are basically just conversions, which are lost a lot less pressing. But this is identified that it's being worked on and from from open telemetry perspective, the intention is very much to, to go towards first class Prometheus. So I hope that we make progress there. Again, Steve, it's more on, like, feel free to, to interject at any point. Open metrics update is split into two CNCF update. We had a conversation or actually two conversations, I think with QC. They basically agree that from, from the technical point and from the operating level and everything from open metrics, it's on graduated level easily. Yet they would like to see some more commitment to openness as it were, which will resolve itself within the next few months. Of course, this year, we are doing everything in the open anyway. That's the commitment and that's what we're following through on it. Now I'm there in the open metrics, that's not the chair. So open metrics committed to doing everything in the open anyway. So that's what's going to happen. There hasn't been a single open metrics meeting yet this year. So there's nothing which could be publicized, but going forward, everything will be on the ITF level. There's not too much progress or there is progress, but not too visible. Let's phrase it like this. There's still a mailing list where everyone who's interested can give feedback. And even if it's just a, hey, we are using this already within our company. That is good feedback for the operational working group within ITF. I will be putting a link to the thing in there later. And also that was one fun bit, which I honestly didn't realize. And which is probably relevant for this group as a data point, just how far cloud native observability has come. As we speak, the 29th most used library for Go in all of GitHub is, you guessed correctly, ClientGoling, which is the Prometheus Client Library for instrumentation and metric submitting. There's a few other Prometheus libraries, which are also appearing in the top 300. We didn't run a deeper analysis. We stopped at 300. But I think this is a very good data point as to the commitment of the wider Go ecosystem, not just the CNCF ecosystem, but the absolute wider Go ecosystem to have a cloud native metric monitoring. And I think this bodes well for CNCF as a whole that we have this momentum of people really wanting to have cloud native observability, which I think is super nice. And then we'll also link this from here. Last point of information, then we're already running out of stuff. I'm just coming out of and Steve also, and I don't know if anyone else. There was a TOC explainer today for what all the opens mean, of course, honestly, that is confusing. That call is recorded and I will also put it into our meeting notes so everyone can watch it if they so please. There's not much use rehashing this. It's literally an hour old. But I will make sure everyone can watch the video if they want to. Else, I think we've we're still a little bit in this lull over New Year's where basically half of December and most of January is taken up by everyone. Taking a deep breather and relaxing and and and coming away from the insanity of the last year and the starting insanity of this year. So yeah, does anyone else have any anything, or are we done with a really quick meeting? Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, please, please, please, Steve. So just a quick update on opens limitry working on the incubation paperwork. So that's underway needs to go through governance board approval and all of that so I don't have an exact date but heads up we'll have that at some point and then we'll bring that fourth year for for feedback. Cool. And I think I said graduation earlier I meant, I meant incubation. Sorry. Piyush, if I pronounce this correctly. Yeah, Richie, it's Piyush. Yeah, so Richie, there's just this like new initiative that I've been working on as a part of the community CNCF community. And I figured this might be a good time to just get everyone's opinion on it. Like what I'm trying to work on is an observability one on one kind of series. Right, wherein we start off from the really basics. Obviously there are tracks for every other tool present like Grafana, Prometheus, Thanos and everything right there are specific tracks for that. But this kind of starts off from the, from just the basics, where it like what's exactly observability and then moves on from that. And there are a few topics that I had created and I was just looking from some input from everyone so that I could take this forward. I will quickly share what I will be looking at is actually this is a spreadsheet that I had created initially that I was working on, but it's not in the finance ages as as such. But there's just few things that I think might might be helpful. I've put it up on Slack. I'm also putting up the spreadsheet link over here. So it's really great if everyone could just provide me with some input on that. Okay, great. I'll also link it from from the meeting notes so everyone else can also find it. Okay, so if there's nothing else everyone gets 40 minutes of the day back. That's substantial. Okay. Last call three to one. Thank you very much. And we will actually start on time next time and just push through.