 Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode nine It's gonna be probably a really good one today. I guess I don't know. We'll see we got a little five pack for you today I'm your host as always at the end of the dance always having to be here mr. Nintendo Prime To the other big screen over there. We got Eric more ill then down below mr. Mario himself Mike Odyssey, how we doing? No, that's not it right I'm good to you We also have returning as always we're pretty much the same four pack of Andres restart Of course this thing doesn't want to there we go I'm all right good long-time. I feel like we just talked like two hours ago. Yeah, we were having an argument Channel later upcoming content tease maybe Arguments are all the rage this week. How's it going mr. Monster maze? Are we doing I am doing good? Given the circumstances given the circumstances. Yes, we will get into those circumstances, too Let's get into how we start every single podcast and that is what we've been playing lately Mike Odyssey, why don't you show our special guest? I was done. What do we've been playing lately over there, bud? Well, I have only been playing one game, you know, I tried Metroid I did try it But I'm my head is too wrapped around with anticipation for tears of the kingdom that That I can't take a break from playing master mode in Breath of the Wild to just play Metro I think I'll probably go back to Metroid after I beat tears of the kingdom I was looking for a link doll. I don't even find Mario, but since you are Mario There you oh boy, that's all right. That was good, too Yeah, but Mario's not my we are just the only it's like that the the most recognizable character in the planet You know, that's that according to some some, you know research and then people and little kids So, yeah, tears of the kingdom. Yeah, I mean, sorry breath of the wild Breath of the wild All the flack I got this week and you're playing the game already. I don't even want to hear it. No, I'm just good breath of the wild And master mode, right? I already have You know, I'm doing it different mode different like kind of playing it differently So that I can get a more like put more pressure on myself to you know, you're making more difficult, right? But I already completed all the divine beasts except for one, which is the desert one is in the borough or no Nebraska or something like that over It's super difficult because in the breath of the wild of the regular mode, right? All you have to do is just shoot the four legs one time with the little arrow and the guy just Goes down you can climb in and do your thing But here every little leg in master mode has its own like life with the little bar that you have to kind of Continue shooting until you defeat each little leg and then I mean, I'm so it's my fifth try I still haven't been able to to get into it. It's crazy. I'm doing eventide Island from the beginning of master mode I did it. I did it with four hearts though. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I did before hearts but Yeah, I'm stuck there trying to get to that dumb Beast that won't let me in because the stupid legs are too strong They only give me 20 little bomb arrows So I have to go get by more because I'd like just wasted all my arrows I'm the first try, but that's what I'm doing. I'm just you know focused on tears of the kingdom Getting ready. I'm trying to finish it before at least a month before two years of the kingdom Because I want to give myself a month of rest my brain I don't want to go about I don't want to go playing a long game to that another long game Little break, you know play some Mario Brothers, you know ignore Metroid in the back You know enjoy the Mario game you could play that in between No, it's not just watch the Mario movie and take a break. That's true That is very true and I can play my on my Mario edition switch that's coming. Oh Yeah, has that actually been announced? I know it was like a rumor from that one Twitter account I mean, yeah, the that rumor thing with that that has the same exact date of what game stop You know My on Mario day, so it's kind of they're probably gonna give us the same exact Mario You know the day after a Mario direct Yeah, exactly a Mario direct will get a Mario switch the same one by the way the very same one that they we got It's not even the old that it's the the base. Yeah, I know. Yes. It's just dumb It's free rehashing. Here you go. Have a good day. No good news Good news for all you guys out there who've been looking for and for a edition model Nintendo's looks like they're hashing out and Re-releasing a whole bunch of edition ones, right? They're doing this for two one again They're doing the the Pokemon again, so they're just you know Yeah, and it looks like your Mario red joy con edition regular red joy kind because you know For you know gosh forbid that the tool one of the two largest IPs that we have in Mario and Zelda are like the Only ones without special edition switches. Well, we asked will tune we took care of that. Yeah Yeah, I'm Mario and Zelda. We just sorry you get joy. You can The switch itself is a special edition Okay, okay. Yeah, you could you could try to pass that off if you want You can argue that the white the white switch only the very first one is a metroid edition. Oh, it is it's the Emmy version You guys are doing I'm gonna say this I'm gonna start saying you know what I don't care what special characters or colors they give out until they start packing more than Mario Kart 8 deluxe in I don't care Dude, my special edition anything to me. You might get Mario Mario odyssey dlc Well, I don't know about that, but but there was supposedly this is the x button This leaked one is gonna have Mario odyssey actually in it Which I find hilarious because Mario odyssey isn't selling anymore. So, of course, they're gonna bundle it in for the Oh boy, anyways, all right Monster maze. What have you been playing lately? It's been a while since I touched the switch. I think xenoblade 3 was my last like big time investment Oh, man. What you play which was back in september Uh, I'm very much split between like my two choices of platform are switch and pc I've always been a big pc gamer. So I've been a bit on a nostalgia binge I've I finished all the half-life games from start to finish Including black mesa. I didn't play a half-life alex because VR kind of makes me nauseous So I skipped on on that one. I've been playing all the metro games not metroid metro Better than metal metal. I'm crying Yeah, all the way up to exodus and uh, I'm gonna be picking up blank very soon to play with my wife That's going to be a fun game to play like the the black and white game where you play as the little wolf cub and the pawn Uh, other than that. Yeah, same also very much Preparing for tears of the kingdom And and focusing on my content nice Yeah, well interesting conversation. I think about that later um Eric come on down. What are you playing lately bud? I did it. Uh, I beat cursa Oh I'm playing every podcast for two months. I know and I am a hundred percent through the first two level or first two worlds and obviously Curse's world Yeah, that was obvious. Yeah, that one's pretty easy. So you're almost done 100 in the end There's not a whole lot left. No, no, there's really not. I'm at 90. I'm at like 95 94 95 A couple things you can do like the hidden ones or that I missed. Yeah Awesome. Yeah, picking up a few uh weapon skins and stuff that I missed too um That curse of battle is definitely different. I like I did I actually did too. Um So it it was it was a lot of fun. So You know people haven't played the game highly suggested and it's fun So So what's next on docket or are you just going to wait until tears of the kingdom? I you know, I primary master I'll probably finish up, you know The probably our it's going to take me to 100 the rest of it. Um, and then I know I had just actually bought South park fractured butthole Yeah, Jackson just before uh and sparks of hope did you beat stick of truth? I didn't beat stick of truth. Yes, so yeah I might be going to fractured butthole. It's just as good as the nice. Yeah, it's pretty good. So that's south parking wherever of course it is I mean So nice get some of that back catalog done. Oh, yeah for sure before tears of the kingdom get right and it develops everything like that so, um, all right Let's go over to I guess i'm just restart. What are you been playing lately? Um playing with my cat Well, let's see that. There you go. Yeah What's the name samus? Her name is ruby But she is um, also trying out for the star fox team So i'm gonna get her one of those star fox jackets at some point. I think it'll be a good fit for her um beyond that I've been Playing metri primary masters still and Working on my speed run of the game, you know, um, I've played through it several times already and it's really good It's always good It's always fun Um, I also started minish cap because it's on the the game boy Yeah, um advanced since that's pretty good too and also tetris the original tetris on game boy as well That's killing. Yeah, it's it's um, it's bad But there's a new series on um, apple to apple, uh, tv. Yeah Yeah, there's a new movie called, uh, the story of tetris. Oh my god. She drew Is that that intense one where he's like fighting with all the different country? I don't even know it's a true story. Yeah Yeah, apparently apparently it is a true story. Do that now. I saw a trailer for it. It looks sick Yeah, apparently it's a true story. So I mean it looks really good. I can't wait to come out Who knew tetris was so controversial It was it was because it was extremely apparently wasn't an american who made it It was a somebody I think from from another country and you're russia. Yeah. And so Yeah, watch the movie. It's really good. Yeah, just for the record My shirt is wet because when she's purring her nose gets runny stop it now Just for the record, he's not just sweating out all his pores He's gonna pee himself on the shirt. That's not what happened. Anyways. Yeah, so I've been playing metroid I am also planning to do master mode run. Um, a breath of wild soon, but uh I'll finish that in like a week probably so I'm just gonna People reminding me how much I suck at zelda um I beat metroid prime like like it's just I don't know like it's just games that I played a lot You know, well, you don't have any kids or anything So that's why you can just sit there and hours eight hours straight 10 hours straight Yeah, I didn't get a video out today because my kids didn't have school today. So they got homeschooled. So I have no idea they're getting homeschooled tomorrow too because we have a lot of snow that felt honestly I wish I had more time. I feel like I don't have enough time. There wasn't all that much. No Yeah, mostly what I've been doing is playing my new premier pro Just trying to edit Yeah, at least I have something recorded that I can I can release it anytime because it's not a news video. Um So, yeah, I Finally I'm just restarting stuff yelling at me. I played metroid prime remaster. Many hated it But yeah, I hated it. I did not hate it. Oh my god. I'm not sure if I'm gonna beat it Uh, because I've already beat metroid prime a bunch But it's also not a super long game And based on where I am. I don't know. I mean, I just know so far. I am into the game Well, you can beat it in that sitting come on Okay, but you what you have to understand is that a sitting for you is not the same as a sitting for me A sitting of uninterrupted gameplay is like 20 minutes Doesn't exist. Yes, I have three kids. Yes, it just doesn't happen and one of them always wants attention Listen, I understand kids may definitely be challenging But do not do not assume that I'm not a busy person Okay, I'm very tired right now. When's the last time that you only game for 20 minutes? Only game for 20 minutes. Sometimes I I turn on my my game and then a whole bunch of jazz happens and I never play it Why are you but when you play it? When I play it's usually like right before bed when I should be sleeping So it's longer than 20 minutes. Got it. Oh, sometimes I just pass out and just listen to the music of the game That was like my favorite thing to do when I was playing the only Chronicles 3 like I would I would play and then I would just kind of sit there and listen to the music watch the watch that the scenery and pass out And then when my hours get really high in the game, it's not because it just Leave it on Andres falls asleep and lengths running around in circles through the fields and just runs directly into a freaking guardian just Oh, I tried that with Breath of the Wild. It doesn't work out as well because a lot of stuff happened there No, yeah, anyways play Metroid Prime remaster. It's really good. Well worth 40 bucks I already liked Metroid Prime. So like it's not really like I thought it would be bad anyways Go get it totally 40 bucks today's the day the physical copy is supposed to be out Apparently a bunch of stores didn't have it but then some stores did I don't know if there were shipment delays But either way today is technically the really state of the physical version if you've been waiting on that It's a digital And this week also had has other games on autopet traveler two and Kirby dropping this week Reviews are out for I think both of them right now. So Uh, and by the way, I spent traveler two demo as a confirm on the live stream Totally forgot you could play that it will transfer into the game. So you're just getting an early start to the game See I'd play that but I don't have time Yeah, yeah Yeah, I really affected your ability to do Metroid Prime. How many how many how many playthroughs of this have we had? It's only been on a week four times Yeah, how many times you beat it? Listen, listen, I can beat the game in like four to five hours So you spent 20 hours in the last week playing one game Since last wednesday I'm just going out there like when you you tell me oh man I beat the game like I don't know four or five times. It takes me like four or five hours every time That is an exaggeration It might be an exaggeration. I can't remember a time that I've had 20 hours in a week to play games I know it's weird really. How does he run a gaming podcast and he opens up to you a game 20? Two weeks already It's been 14 days. Yeah, I know It came out um But also I have no kids For a wife, so For me it's for me it's work exercise and Eating sleeping and trying to watch or play some video games when I get the chance I'm just thinking to change your fight. Um, anyway, I'm not your my remaster, you know guys. I'm like, uh Three hours in I'm a pretty decent way in but I'm not You know, I don't I don't beat the game like four or five hours It's probably going to be like a 10 hour experience for me if I if I want to get through it all I'll try both difficulty modes by the way that are available right away the normal and the casual Eh, I don't really know as much difference between them. I just kind of rock my way through both So it's whatever obviously casual is much easier because you like you basically aren't going to die, but um Let's see, uh breath of the wild master mode runs still going as well Um, it's a progress there I kind of sort of accidentally ended up in the Gerudo area didn't mean to because I'm just playing the game Like I normally would if I just started playing it So I just keep exploring and things just keep happening and now I'm in the desert So I'll probably end up going to try to take out thunderblight and stuff pretty soon nice, um Let's see and then My madden leagues and stuff I've been getting back into that a little bit after taking a break for a couple weeks. So I don't know That's that's been kind of what I've done in the last week That's right like three different games in a week. Usually it's a one game a week But you know what I have actually been finding a little time in the last week to get some games in because I've been sick So I actually haven't been working as much So I've been like if I'm gonna lay in bed I might as well play some switch Right um, all right, uh, and I think that's it for all of our Going away from you because you're sick I want to take this time to announce that this podcast is brought to you by Andres least restart with Andres restart looking for a girlfriend if you guys if you are You know We already covered this last week he deactivated it. Yeah, he activated it. You might find this profile But he's not an actor profile. No catfishing. Make sure your pictures. It's what it is. So, you know tag him at uh, at twitter Or find I I have a life. Don't worry I have a His needs are met. All right moving on. Um getting into our first topic this week Uh Look guys, there was a massive leak this last week. I mean, it's hard to ignore It's been talked about everywhere Shown in places like my channel and people getting mad at me. Some people like it to be fair, but some people get mad Uh, it was a huge Zelda leak for Tuesday. Can the entire art book has leaked if you want to find it It's out there. We'll never provide you links. We'll never tell you where to find it But it's out there Some websites have some images up other places you do your thing If you want to look at it, uh, we're not going to be actually talking about what's contained in the art book Uh, I'm actually planning a bonus episode podcast where we do spoiler talk about it because like A bunch of us have seen it and it'd be kind of nice to talk about it in a zone where we're not afraid to talk about it And on a channel that literally showed the images might be a good place to talk about it. So Uh, we will have a habit. We're not going to show the images during that podcast But we will talk about thoughts and theories and all that but that's that's still being planned out um So we're not going to talk about that but I want to talk about the fact that it leaked at all How we feel about the the the fact that it leaked Um, how it affects us as channels because I it's even affected my channel a little more than I thought it would um, and just Like how we feel him and I you know what? I want to actually get the floor first a monster maze because he's the only one here that is a dedicated zelda youtuber And my lord I can't imagine what is going through your mind. Um, I I just saw that my audio is apparently quite Soft, I don't know if that's something on my hand. I turn. Okay. Okay. Cool. Cool. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't like Whispering they are saying it's a little bit of an audio. Hey, so I don't know if there's anything we can do to fix that So what what do you want to hear like do you want to hear like just how I'm dealing with the situation first or like what my Like whether or not I was whatever you want to talk about but uh go to town Because what I'm not really surprised that the leak happened At least well, it did catch me off guard because you know zelda is one of nintendo's most protected ip's I would say So something of this size leaking to the public months before release is Pretty uncommon. We definitely didn't see something like this with breath the wild Uh, I think aside from that one failed attempt to steal the rom from that demo unit at e3 It was kept under wraps pretty well But you know, I'm not entirely naive either. I'm not shocked that it happened because you know From them from them from the early to mid stages of development Any information is going to largely be confined to a select few the development team mostly But you know the closer you get to release more and more people outside the dev team are going to be involved More assets are going to be put into circulation and stuff for print promotion localization testing Maybe gameplay demos, uh, hopefully at packs. We will see Fingers crossed Yeah So, yeah, obviously that's going to vastly increase the chances of something slipping out into the public space So I guess my only real surprise was the sheer size of the leak itself Uh, I guess if it was just one or two photographs of some of someone You know, someone was able to sneak in a few photographs from the printing press Like sure, but like the whole thing from cover to cover like how did they even have enough time To do this without anyone noticing, uh, unless someone was bright enough to let someone take it home or They could have a room They were still on the bed. I mean Yeah Someone somewhere made a very bad Crazy But uh As for myself, uh, there's kind of like two sides of me who reacted very differently to the whole situation Like there's the zelda fan in me who is more hyped than ever before about the game now Because you know, if there's any good that came out of this whole ordeal is that it has put a lot of fears To rest about the game's size and and and the scope so Not that I was expecting the game to be bad or underwhelming. I mean come on. It's a it's a zelda game It's one of the most consistent franchises of all time Um, but you know, I won't deny that aside from the first teaser, which I did. I think did do an amazing job Amazing job of creating excitement with You know with all the dark and creepy imagery and stuff Subsequent, subsequent teasers have not been as effective as at showcasing why This was not just going to be breathed wild 1.5. You know what I mean? Yeah I mean sure we had the whole islands in the sky concept revealed for the first time in 2021. I believe and Uh, but as far as we were concerned It was still the same map from the previous game just with a couple of floating islands above it and Everything that was shown after was kind of just more of the same So I can see why not everyone was entirely sold on the game so far Especially those who haven't been with the series since the 90s like myself Um How would you write the trailers? Uh, I think the first one was still the best one even though it didn't show any gameplay. It was like height Yeah, it was just so hype. It was so mysterious and The second one was definitely also pretty good Because it did have a few of of that same dark stuff Uh, it did have some of that dark stuff at the beginning and then we saw the sky for the first time But I think the lowest one would probably be the one we got in september that one did not wow me at all It was very short once again. Yeah and the last teaser One I thought it was pretty cool, but I also still did not see like Now that I know now that I've seen the art book I I feel like they were holding back too much. Maybe I don't know It's hard to say it might be recency bias for me But I want to I want to put the most recent trailer is number two just because it's the most footage But I mean the the second teaser did Tell us about the sky like that was probably the biggest revelation for this game Of y'all. Yeah, just its existence Yeah, because the first teaser was like, oh, there's gonna be Cool stuff underground maybe and then the second was like, oh my god There's also gonna be a lot of cool stuff in the sky now But everything after that was kind of just a mix of what we've what we already knew Maybe with a small amount of little things like oh, what's that glider thing or what's that little thing? But it wasn't nearly anything as impactful, right? Like the yeah the title trailer. I think it's like four shots three to four shots of Of gameplay like we're talking like like 20 seconds. Maybe Yeah, that's crazy So in that in that regard, I am very excited by I I've been very hyped by what I've seen in the art book But there's also the content creator side of me who just wishes this this kind of stuff had made it through public Through official means like made it out through official Uh promotion, uh, of course I doubt nintendo would have shown anything nearly on the same scale as the art book But that's the thing We don't know what they would have shown and hopefully still will show in the upcoming months And I do feel kind of sad that the surprise factor of that will likely be severely diminished because Instead of going. Oh my god. What's that man? This is crazy There's gonna be a good chance that i'm gonna be like. Oh, that's that thing from the art book And oh, yeah, we saw that on page 55. You know what I mean? It's it's not going to have the same impact anymore And that that does sadden me just a bit You ever wonder if nintendo sometimes reacts to leaks and changes like their announcement plans And I want to bring this up because like you look at like the prime remastered situation, right? Like we that thing's been rumored for years And it was expected for november and then all of a sudden they just shadow drop it february Because it was like, you know, like the most popular most common most known rumor I feel like a lot people wouldn't have been surprised if maybe it was announced in the september direct for february But because they were like, oh people know about this. Let's just Not show it and then shadow drop it in february. I think it kind of like Reignited that that excitement because if everyone sort of saw it coming The the excitement wouldn't it wouldn't have been as hype would have still been hype because it's metric prime, but It being shallow dropping the way it was. I think that kind of It did change things a little bit because no one really saw that coming So it kind of makes me wonder like, you know, with it with this potential leak. Could that Potentially shake up how nintendo may decide to reveal things on that I mean at this it may also be too late to change things around because we're so close to release But it just it does kind of make me wonder sometimes nintendo may be Adjusts how they reveal things based off leaks I would think that most of the promotional stuff that they have Is already has already been made. So I don't think it's going to change that I don't think they're going to change what we see In terms of the footage or No, I just I mostly think like timing if anything Timing. Yeah. Timing maybe Maybe it will actually speed up the whole process now that it's out there. I don't want them just yeah Yeah, there's just gonna be like but like it's clear that they had a vision for how they wanted to because you know, that's kind of the whole situation Like everyone is suddenly a marketing expert now They're like some are even blaming nintendo for this leak being like well They should have shown the game or it's their own fault. I'm like What kind of logic is that? The developers should be given the chance to decide how they want to expose the public to their projects it's it's their ip and Regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks of that marketing strategy There's no justification for taking that choice away from them Like if I was making a video game or a movie or whatever and some bozos stole stole my assets and leaked them to the public just Because I don't know they feel like I owe it to them to give them more information on it I would be pretty upset too if that if something like that happened. So I I will never condone never Yeah, I will never condone leaks like these but Of course, I don't blame anyone for looking at them because it's it's out there now There's no stopping it stopping it anymore. Once it's on the internet. It's basically public domain So it is what it is But I I do have a problem with the way people are reacting to it because some people also kind of downplay the the leaks I don't know if they do that because they just don't care or They feel like they want to You know one other people to look at them too. I'm not too sure but It's I don't know. It's a weird situation. It's I think it's really nuanced You know and obviously for you as a dedicated zealot youtuber, it's extremely challenging, right? But like Like even for me, right? Like as I um zealot is definitely a big part of my channel too And just like trying to navigate how am I going to handle this? Am I going to have like a dedicated like spoiler discussion? Am I going to not am I going to alienate people even when I put out like my my my dungeon theory video That video was 90 percent conceptualized and planned before the leaks happened It was just edited afterwards but I already everything that was said there was pretty much it was going to happen regardless of the leaks but I put out the video and You know, I got some attacks accusing me of leaking things and spoiling things and it had nothing to do with that but The perspective of the video changed just because of the leaks And yeah that impacts things and now moving forward, you know if I want to I because I've seen the leaks That I have theories I want to talk about but I have to be careful about what I say like I I want to be As sincere as genuine as possible, but if I know something because of the leaks and then I make a theory video That could potentially be impacted by a leak but not say that It's just a very weird tricky situation to navigate Yeah, especially because you know what may be A non-spoiler to you may not be the same for another it may be a huge spoiler for someone else Like I don't know something as simple as a location in the game one of my favorite things about playing elder ring was that Was exactly the fact that I went in completely blind Like I was blown away blown away by these huge locations where I'm like, oh, gee If if I had seen screenshots of that and and elder ring did a great job of holding back too In a lot of ways they mostly only showed all the stuff on the surface We didn't know there were these Whole sections of the game that were completely separate and magical and huge and had I seen that beforehand I may have not reacted the same way to those like in when I was actually playing the game So whenever someone says like oh the leaks are not that bad It doesn't reveal much about the story or it's like, yeah But it does reveal a lot of things that most people will probably want to find out on their own while they're playing And the fact that this art book is a pre-order item doesn't really change that because Yeah, some people are going to flip through the art book once they get maybe even before they touch a single button on their Controller, but there's also going to be a lot of people who will save it for after the credits And at least then it's their own conscious decision whether or not they want to You know open up that book. Yes or no and it's not forced on them by some careless youtubers or some People in the comment section Not to say that people who are covering the leaks are doing are like maliciously trying to spoil people that I I don't think that's the case at all It like I said, it exists this information is there and as long as you give proper spoiler spoiler warning Should be fine to talk about it Yeah, but it is tricky though, right because like the they're all over the comments, you know like Yeah, I see them all over And like it can only be moderated so much So for people who don't want to be spoiled It's a tricky situation for them Yeah, it's not going to be easy. That's why I've been Contemplating so much in the last few days since the leak. It's not because I don't know how to go forward, but You know, there's a lot of little things that you have to take into consideration your audience like how many people because Obviously, there's going to be people who ask There's already people who've asked me like are you going to cover the leaks leaks because I'd like to know your Thoughts about it. What like what do you think? What did you find? I'm like, I wish I could cater to those people too, but I just I just can't do that on my channel Not just out of my own fears of maybe putting myself into the crosshairs of a multi-billion-dollar corporation, but Also just my my audience in general is very much they like theories they like To hear my thoughts and predictions and they know a lot of them will probably Could potentially be wrong But at least I'm not giving them all this stuff. Like we already know this from from the art book. We already know this so, uh, you know I I have to stay away from it as much as possible There's at least for me that there's no other way to do it Oh for us for a news channel or a channel that covers leaks. It's a completely different story. Obviously Yeah, but like what if you had like a single video that was very clearly labeled the art book leak Analysis or something Like and then that way, you know what happens. It's something that I'm debating I'm still not sure I'm gonna do but like what if you did that and maybe it's kind of like a situation where those That really want to talk about the leaks it becomes that place for it to happen But because it's clearly marked Those who don't want to see it as long as it's very clear Shouldn't be able to they they wouldn't watch it and then you can just move on to the other stuff Now granted it still impacts your theory. So that's still a challenge But what if that would help at least like maybe quote the comments because people kind just want to talk about it Yeah, plus you're You're inevitably gonna be dividing your audience into two groups Those who want to see the leaks and those who don't and In my case, I chose to not do it because You know the people who have seen the leaks can still enjoy my content But not the other way around the people who want to stay away are not going to watch my video because so That's why I've been a little bit frustrated with this whole situation is What should have been the best time to be a zelda youtuber has now been Tainted because of this situation. I agree Yeah It definitely yeah, I agree with that. It makes it a lot a lot Weirder. Yeah, so yeah You know, I don't Judge anyone for looking at the leaks at all. I that would be very hypocritical of me I looked at them myself because I figured as a zelda youtuber It's my job to learn as much about the game as possible if only to You know, stay on the same level as my peers my fellow zelda zelda youtubers who are all Almost all of them are going to be discussing this stuff and And and and checking it out. I think there's only a few that have chosen to not Look at it at all Which I I respect very much But I also don't judge the ones who do because I'm one of them right Yeah, I mean, I don't think there can be any judgment passed just for You know looking at them once the information's out there I mean the bad actors are the ones that release the information in the first place um Like no who took the pictures Intending them to be released or whatever like that's I think one thing um I think almost all of us can be in agreement I was that we when it comes to stuff like this, we sort of just wish it didn't happen in the first place um And this is even channel me like I get some benefit from it. I got to make some leak videos Like I'm so make some extra money, but also I'm in a situation myself too. We're like when I have a day where the news is kind of light I want to talk about tears of the kingdom and I don't know how to do that right now because Again, that's that audience but some people want you to talk about about this stuff. So I'm like, oh, yeah Now I got a plan like here's the thing it'd be cool if we could just talk about on this podcast But I got to be real like I know that mike doesn't want to know a whole bunch of stuff from it And he's a key member of the podcast and there's a whole tree that tune in our podcast every wednesday That would just come as a regular show Not expecting to get spoiled no matter how we labeled it just because it's wednesday It's 8 p.m. I tune into the podcast every week and there could be people in our very chat Yeah, they're just Oh, it's wednesday today. I got the notification. Let me go watch and so like you can't talk about that here Because there's an audience split. So sure. Well, I'm gonna have a dedicated show. That's one piece of content I was planning to make like 40 tears of the kingdom videos Between now and then and now I don't know what to do about that I yeah Because it's my filler content. That's what it is. We don't have big news tears of the kingdom. That's my fallback Yeah That's a great fallback. Is it and mean mean necessarily not wanting me not wanting to know more about it Mm-hmm As okay I'm not as I got like everybody knows I'm not a zelda doctor Like I call him like, you know, like zelda lore and study all that's HD and legend of zelda Just listen. I the only two zelda you're gonna shrine Listen, the only zelda's I've beaten have been zelda one nes because I was back back in the day I was there and I got it the first time that's how old I am and Uh tears of the kingdom which I mean breath of the wow, sorry You say Breath of the wild Which is now my favorite game of all time, you know, it's because I love Exploration, I love I love surprise, you know, and I see it this way I knew little about zelda going into the game And link is coming out of having amnesia not knowing where he was or anything like that So I felt like I was actually link discovering throughout breath of the wild discovering everything with him Which made it so much more wonderful for me to explore the land and to see all the amazing structures and And even I'm playing right now master when I'm still wild by structures that I've missed before And looking at these tall mountains and cliffs and you know, this entire world that was built for us I'm looking at it because I have a degree in digital media and a minor in marketing And I've worked with marketing teams in the past for a lot of products There is a lot of heartbroken people right now Yeah, there are a lot of heartbroken people in the background Especially people who worked on this art on this art book and they wrapped it up very nicely It was it was supposed to be a special edition Uh, and and they wanted to hand it to you personally on the date they set For the release right and that's why when I saw that I'm like, wow, I'm heartbroken for them And I actually called a friend of mine and I think I spoke to Nate about this friend of mine from from from school the teacher For the marketing area. How do you think they feel? I said right now there's a lot of people crying There's a lot of people upset. There's a lot of people. Um, you know, they're devastated because it To to to people out there is just a book with text and words and and and images to them Is it's a passion that they've been working on for so so long And this is not the first edition of this artwork our book our book that was made This is probably the fifth or the the 16th edition They finally got it right They they were waiting for people to get it at at at, you know, when nintendo wanted And then when it comes to marketing guys, you have to understand that companies like nintendo companies like apple companies like like like, uh, like you know any media and gaming and movies They're trying to tell a story with their marketing They're trying to get you ready and hype for that day that you open that gift up and Receive that that gift that is tears of the kingdom And when things like this happen is like you're somebody's getting into their story and taking things out of place And ruining the the the christmas for some people ruining the fun for others But more than that, it's all the hard work that went into creating That crap, you know what I mean? It's like when when when games leak and and they're they're free out there We're thinking about the hundreds of developers who spent countless hours and nights And sweat and tears and and god knows what they spent they went through in order to make this game for us And or make to make this platform for us and I've seen it behind the scenes I've seen how people what they feel when things leak out before time because It's they're telling it's not their narrative. There's not what they want It's not the story they want to tell in their marketing Um story, you know, I mean if you think about a story their marketing plan it's like they have a timeline says here and and and they've been doing such a great job because This is why tears of the kingdom is the most anticipated game of the year. Oh, they haven't been showing much It's the most exactly paid a game of the year. That's part of their marketing It's the most, you know, it's the most They're doing a great job. Oh, they're not showing this. They're not showing that What are you anticipating? Yes. I'm my my anticipation isn't at a level that I can't stand They're doing a great job It's interesting you bring that up because this is another disagreement Nate and I have because the other day I brought up on twitter That I felt that this impacts kind of their marketing a little bit in the sense that They were being either being quiet and I feel that part of the science is because they know how the zella community is And the zella community includes a great deal of theorizing So they gave us honestly more than enough material To come up with a lot of good theories for a little bit and then they'll give us more information as we get closer But with this this leak It kind of throws that out of whack like that silence was contributing to to the speculation of theorizing which in a way Markets the game. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's also that's also one of the reasons I was so For lack of a better term just pissed off at people who were saying things like Nintendo had this coming because they weren't showing enough of the game It's like that's the equivalent of saying oh come on. She was asking for it You know Just because you don't don't agree with their marketing doesn't mean it's bad marketing because this is a valid Marketing tactic that has been proven to work. I don't know if you remember movies like cloverfield, which barely showed anything Yeah, they didn't show anything They didn't even show what kind of movie it was going to be and it worked it got people into theaters It got people talking beforehand and speculating and it was already established So it was not something like if you're a completely new director I can understand you cannot really do something like that But these were like the guys behind lost and Some some other big projects that they've already done and this is zelda. We know it's going to be a good game So why are you so afraid of them keeping quiet a little bit because it it was also working There was so many anticipation about what we were going to see and Now that has been taken away from them that like you said Mike the the opportunity to tell their story through their marketing has been Largely taken away from them and that's just All because of impatience or cloud chasing because it does seem like this whole leak was a bit of a cloud chase too Because I have talked to some people who were close to the leaker and they immediately started like Can you give me credit if you if you show any of the images on your on your channel? They started Giving me huge links to youtube channels and I was like you honestly want me to credit you for Pictures that you did not take from artwork that you sure as hell did not draw and you you you see this as some sort of Like career opportunity for youtube like They have to be at least like Either they have to be complete idiots or they have to be like 14 years old and they just don't understand yet how the world works Yeah There's a lot of um, I think a lot of angles there, right? I think some people just don't understand how youtube works like Yeah, if you think that a single like leak situation is gonna like spiral you up the food chain like it doesn't It doesn't really work out work like that. Not at all. Um, no, I will say this though To err on the side of positivity I don't think this is like a nail in the coffin virgin's all behind right like I don't think that This spells the end of of an epic marketing campaign. I think it's just kind of a hurdle and once Nintendo's prepared To give us more information. It'll kind of rectify that damage. I feel And even before then I you know, I think a little bit of this phrase will dissipate over time The theory of it is we'll resume the conversation will continue. There's still anticipation There's still a lot we don't know about the game even the people who had the right through the entire book So, you know, I think this is a hurdle, but I think we're gonna get past it and things are gonna work out just fine I have a question like um, if there is um this movie That you're anticipating in theaters Would it make you upset if if if if all of a sudden you see a big chunk leak online or what you not watch it That big chunk of it so they can watch it in theaters what you're with your friends and your family like like how plan house What would you do in that case? If it's a movie I'm gonna watch and I know I'm like I actually care to watch it Which is when I go to the movies because I know I really want to watch it Like if I see a part of it leaks online, I'm I mean, I just hope I don't find out of only plot beats, right? Like I don't want to know if someone dies or something happens It's like and that can be said with with with like on twitter a line and my brain will read it, right? But if it's a video I just know okay, don't watch it if I see a frame big deal But if someone says what's gonna happen, that's way worse. Yeah, and and there's a thing that I think Um might be missing. It's not completely missing from from content creators, but the majority is um, It's it's it's missing. It's for example um picturing the You know, I get I have to go back to this because it's so important that we when we when we were faced with things like this As content creators We are here covering what we're covering because of nintendo, you know, the majority of us are in our channels You know The legend of zelda tears the breath of the wild tears of the kingdom, you know Then it's it's a nintendo game. It's a nintendo ip exclusive, right? We're here covering that Thanks to them What what else will we be doing without without let's say without If nate would have not discovered, uh Legend of zelda, I think he would have been on the metroid train or something like that, but you know We're here. Look at they no We're here that right if it wasn't brazil we're here because of of them, right? so I feel like in a way um As journalists that we are because we are we are gaming journalists. We deliver the news, right? I think that we should Kind of not jump on every You know league depending on how I feel. I mean, I'm I'm sorry to use words damaging. I'm um Damaging, I mean in the scope of how big the leak is Right because guess what it even if it doesn't affect us it's gonna affect somebody, you know and then How is how great would it be for us to do this out of respect for those who are Who right now are actually working to give us the best of the game you've ever played, you know, I mean For how much how much how much we appreciate should get only a model the creator Of zelda, right? And how much we appreciate nintendo right now? How much we appreciate like the work and and the dedication that this team Put into a you know into a game that was created for the we you and made it look so amazing and so Right now like such a great game and now they're doing the sequel, you know That's what I'm kind of I'm struggling with because I feel like like um I want to give them some respect by by not Completely just okay. There's a leak out there and there's about you know Give them some respect and put respect into their work because I really do respect the work that they do And I think that they they they deserve all the credit in the world for For for for making these massive piece of games for us, you know um And then respect the respect they don't just wait just wait because we're only a couple of two months away, right? And and I think that the anticipation will make the game even better and like monsters may just set You know, he said he said it perfectly, you know, it's like the wow factor The wow factor is is one of the biggest things that control me at least For for a game like, you know, it really influences how I feel about a game And then seeing things on the image. Oh, yeah, I remember that from from this image I remember that, you know, it takes it away. It takes away that that little piece of You know, and I know not for everybody but for some people it does, you know And I just want to say that how about we just think about The people, you know, the people who actually put their work into this because we're just hearing about it We're just we there's a leak. Oh, it's so easy. Let's go click on it and look at it, you know But for them it's it's just different, you know, it's a different feeling Um to have something like this be out there when It's not it wasn't meant to be out there yet, you know what I mean I'm just having I'm just struggling. I'm struggling in that because yes, I I love I love to look at things before time Like everybody else. I'm that curious like everybody else But there's this other side of the story where you think about the people who worked on on this, you know And just like just like games who that leak and then they're they're roms out there Um for free if people are downloading it legally and and you know what I mean There is it's type of like the type of disrespect towards the developers that are their hard work into this This game and in games in general, you know, I mean I think it's a really good point actually because I think something that that a lot of people lose sight on Because they think oh, it's Nintendo. It's a big company. Why would you care? Like it's just a giant corporate corporation but what people lose sight on is that this giant corporation this giant company is A large group of people of individual people that are working Their hardouts for these these products, right? Like the entire zealot team each person is is is working every day To create a masterpiece like they are putting their heart and soul into this And it's not just a zealot just across the board with any video game project in the industry So when someone wants to like say, oh, oh, this is an amazing example So remember the bayonet of three controversy? Yeah, and um, she was Calling for a boycott of the game because she disagreed with Later came out that she was lying and things I got so I made it far worse, but it was assuming she was even telling the truth It was just a personal disagreement. She had with the company And she was calling for a boycott and won basically the game Her hope was to take down the entire game But not only would I be disrespecting the company as a whole but it's it's kind of hurting every person who's worked on this game for years like what about them It was it was kind of just about her So I think people just kind of uh, you know forget that companies are comprised of people Well, it's it's because it's a popular sentiment, you know the the little guy versus the the big guy The big corporation the big evil building with glowing eyes was Who's racking racking in all this money, but I've worked as a as an animator as a freelancer. I've worked for On jobs for big big companies like coca-cola. For example, they're not just they're people They're just like you and me who are just doing their job out of passion and just you know, they have to pay the bills and If I for example, if I make an animation for coca-cola for an ad campaign and I just Carelessly slap it into the public space either on my resume or someone else Somewhere else before that campaign was supposed to be going live They might pull the campaign which means I'm ruining the life of the the cameraman who who shot the footage of all the actors in the footage of all the Like all these people who were involved in the creation of this I'm potentially Potentially destroying their their hard work all because I'm careless or being selfish or And and that's something people often tend to forget when they're dealing with giant Corporations like it's not this one singular entity Which is evil in some way. I know nintendo does stuff that pisses people off including me, especially when it comes as a advent smash brothers player someone who's Who's been in the smash scene for a long time nintendo has frustrated me more than enough to Not always be on their side But you know on on these types of situations where as someone who has been running my own company for a long Long time have been dealing with A big like big huge companies for a long time I can tell you that it's not as it's not as black and white as that. It's not always a david versus calliott Situation sometimes sometimes david's the asshole So to speak sorry if I don't know if I can swear but You're a friend. Okay Yeah, I look it's a fascinating situation. Um, you know, I I feel you know I I always have this lingering feeling that This is such a weird thing to leak at this particular time this far out That I always just had that tinge that was just one of those intentional leaks is how the hell did this even happen? But you know reality is I we have no idea how this happened Okay, we the the amalgamation of who took the images and how they got spread Originally to end up hitting reddit and hitting everywhere else. I have no idea how it happened Um, I didn't talk to people trying to get clout for it. So I have no clue What was going on with it? But what I what I what I kind of Look at is like in this situation Um, there's going to be people at nintendo assuming this wasn't an intentional leak that are very distraught and upset about it But the the real people's lives that are probably most impacted by this is I kind of think this happened from the company the nintendo hired to print the copies And one of them took it home Um, and the thing is if that particular person isn't Sust out or even if they are They just wrecked the entire reputation of that entire company Yeah That that printed like nintendo is never going to go back to him again and other companies Nintendo is going to tell sony. They're going to tell capcom. They're going to tell other like, hey, you're doing an art book Don't go to them. Um So potentially could have ruined a whole uh a whole bunch of I don't know careers. I guess careers businesses at least could have ruined a whole business Um and cost people you know jobs because they might not get hired as much anymore For what they were doing again. This is assumed. That's how it got out There's also my mind that since it's got it's got to someone's house Like I have to imagine there's oversight at those places It's like I'm wondering I really hope this wasn't like I want to Like a management person at nintendo who brought it home and then their kid decided to take it and take pictures um In that case, I feel really really bad for that person I don't know how much trouble they'll get in for that but because I don't you know Because it could if it's anyway if the grunt employee No, I mean, I imagine you're probably fired That's that position So I'm mentioning the possibility that it could have technically been A nintendo employee or a family member of the nintendo employee who took it home You wonder if the if the english version has even been printed yet Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, I just know that these types of companies have to work really really because nintendo doesn't just Trust anyone to work with them on this kind of stuff. This takes years of building trust between Because I've I've interviewed the guy who works at dark horse comics, which is the uh, he's like the one of the lead editors for He's done creating a champion for breft while the the huge book that that's all the book ever Yeah, yeah, they they made a couple of uh, they did the localization of pretty much all the books here In the u.s. And in europe, uh, they they helped put it out there But he he also said like this Working with nintendo, you really have to be on your toes. You have to not like in a bad way, but they're just they're very Uh, they're very adamant about quality. They they really want everything to be right And they go through hundreds and hundreds of revisions and they as a company have to work for years to get them to To to convince nintendo that they are the company to do this for them So if if this has any ramifications for the people who printed Like the company who prints these books, I would feel bad if especially if it was just one guy Who decided to throw a wrench in the whole system By publishing this These photographs Yeah There's also my happening Like it might that might be kind of um Why nintendo's not at e3 this year either because they changed the the company that's running e3, right? So they may there might that might play a role in it And packs too. They also run packs and nintendo's are packs So it's like literally the same company Different situation though That's for how they're gonna run e3 They may not have any games in the second yeah They might not have anything to present at that time. They have something to present now Kingdom so that's why they're at packs but They do go to be fair They do have a massive game to advertise so like it could make sense why they're at packs. Yeah Yeah, that's something else is there and I'll be a pass. You know playing that game firsthand We're all gonna go and it's gonna be pikmin and you know what? It's not gonna pick this we've been at the origins, which we'll we'll have already released Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be one. No, it can't be that one It's gonna be my it's gonna be my first time visiting the u.s Oh, that's really? Yeah, yeah, man, we should all get together and do the podcast live over there Yeah, I'm sure We're gonna have to get to like a hat that has like your logo on it like that and then cover your face that way, you know You're not on camera No, my camera my camera just sucks. I'm not my my setup is not built to because I don't show my face in my video So I don't I've never had a need for a good camera setup. Yeah, but you're mostly going to be seeing pixel pixels and compressed dark Video if I if I turn on my camera, so you're not gonna be able to see much I have terrible lighting in my room too. Yeah. Yes. So so not to you know, take away the the effect of from your channel We can get like you can see like a little thing with your logo on top like that I know who was it that did that like every time they get on a camera We can sell a one like like to do with the anonymous anonymous people and in uh, when they're like reporting for crime scenes Like the very the voice everything Pay them black like like black them out completely You know, yeah, there's John has had his face revealed before like he oh, yeah I don't know how he looks he exists. I've shown I've shown my face on the channel multiple times But usually then it's like for a special occasion. You'll find a google image If Arlo ever has a face reveal that'll be nuts Arlo he shows his face all the time Yeah, I think Arlo's real man Like Arlo Arlo's been at panels right where it's just the guy with the puppet next to him Yeah, he's also no he's done fan meetups. Oh, okay. So people do know how he looks. Yeah, they do know He doesn't put it out there often, but there's been pictures taken and selfies also out there. So He's like he's like like Sesame Street level What's here Let me let me just kind of step in here a little bit. Um, so Andres with your with your comment on whether or not it changes um their marketing scheme, you know With the leak here, I I think with a released game It may not change it much. It may change it a little bit, but you know, it's Neither here nor there they kind of already have their plan They may make a small audible, but I don't think it's gonna be a massive one um an unreleased game like like um Okay, god Metroid Prime, you know, they can easily audible If they really want to because it's sorry not unreleased Unannounced with an announced game it's a little bit harder So that you know, they may make small audibles here and there But with an unannounced game like that they can easily just go Nope We're gonna move it here and completely just wash it out a little bit and you mean like with jeff drop better And uh, oh But it is possible that nintendo went we're gonna call it audible and and All I can say that I know is that I know that plans change a lot Mm-hmm, and oh sure. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think the marketing plans really change much for this game And I'm saying like I've seen the entire art book. I just don't foresee how that really changed. Yeah I mean, I yeah, I already brought it up as a consideration. Um, no, no for sure Yeah, I think that for this their strategy to just be quiet If they just keep being quiet, it's like sweeping it under the rug after a couple weeks. We'll move on maybe Well, he don't mean the marketing strategy in general for this game has been a little strange compared to a lot of other games You know, yeah, what effect But effective It's just interesting seeing Sorry, no, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah Um, I was just gonna say that it's just interesting seeing how their marketing strategy can kind of vary by game Right like you look at Not metroid prime look at metroid dread, right game sold about three million solid for like a b tier nintendo title But they marketed that game to kingdom come Went back when it came out in 2021. It was like their most marketed game at e3 And then metroid primary mastered They let people think the rumor was with a sham and they just shadow drop it. That's an andre andre andre I'm sorry. I hate to break it to you man But metroid needs all the marketing I could get in order to sell at least a million, you know So that's the that's the difference between teaser the kingdom and metroid you know Well, metroid listen listen listen listen And you're at you're at a w w event. All right. You got the big wrestlers. You got the mid card You got the teela the the the the people that you know the unknowns who who opened the show and everything, right? You you know people are there to see the main event They know about the main event. They know who they are. They don't need to talk about them anymore You know, you got to bring up So so Hope of course with tears of the kingdom They have said close to nothing and still yet the most anticipated paid a game of the year Where metroid metroid is a niche thingy, right like a niche thing you guys call it like a niche a million Anyways, the point i'm just getting at though is that it it seems to vary by game and not necessarily franchise because metroid dread Mark it a lot metroid prime Not marketed at all. They're just relying on the shallow drop These two some teams may market like to market the heck out of things and other teams may not like to make it like to keep quiet and and Experiment I think it's a case by case basis It depends on how popular the game is because get let me tell you of course mario They're gonna market the heck out of it because mario's the baby mario's the The main baby of the house and he's they're gonna baby him no matter what like the 35th anniversary Zelda also a huge seller a big a big a big uh a game so This time they understand with it being the most anticipated game of the year I think if it were lost at the most specific in the year Maybe marketing strategy would have changed and they could have and i'm talking here like in in the in the marketing way Right marketing bring here if if we would have won If we're lost the most anticipated game of the year, they say okay We have some some work to do we gotta we gotta figure out how to bring this game a little more and make it the most Anticipated game of the year but it won the most anticipated game of the year. They said wait hold up Really? Okay, so let's go ahead and then let's let's let's give them more anticipation Let's show them something that's going to make them happy But not enough that's gonna make them We have to let them speculate because at the end are the the best the best Promoters they have is you and me We're gonna keep talking about it till kingdom come You know what I mean and the more we talk about it the more people hear about it No matter if they want to or not because we're the ones We're the big giant banners or tears of the kingdom All the i'm telling you because like I just I just told me today look I make a video about daily news I my video is like I take a video and talk about zelda for two minutes. It's a it's a video Your video wasn't really even about zelda It was about a mario it was about a mario thing and you twisted a story. I did And all of a sudden your video I'm like what Zelda in the title Listen, so basically basically the reason why I mentioned zelda is because I needed to use it first Yeah, it worked second second is because um the first the first time that the the game stop Story was brought up is because we we we all wanted to know about the tears of the kingdom, uh switch oled, right? Yeah Yeah, that's the best title for that is switch Tears of the kingdom is not coming that wasn't it. This is it. This is what I mean You know, it was a mario, uh oled or not oled mario is addition thing. Yeah, yeah, you have to kind of To get people's attention You gotta get them in the door and be like, oh you wanted this guess what you're actually getting right some red joy con switch half a red joy con switch But that's what i'm telling you that Nintendo knows that that tears of the kingdom is the most anticipated game And that we're doing the work for them. You know what I mean Yeah, there's one aspect of the way they're marketing the game that is actually I I think a holy negative um There's this assumption I think and maybe Nintendo probably assumes it too That anyone is going to buy tears of the humans play Breath of the Wild, right? That I think that's what they're assuming That's the first time they've ever done that with a zelda game They've always tried to sell zelda to new players And there's been a statement out there that you don't have to play Breath of the Wild to enjoy this game But you're not marketing it that way the way you're marketing it is to people who play Breath of the Wild I this this form of marketing is might be okay, and you can get away with it to zelda fans But how are you going to introduce new people to it? And that's that's the next I got an answer for you. You know what? I'm the answer You know why because I wasn't a zelda fan like you guys are before I played Breath of the Wild They got I didn't play Breath of the Wild on release day. I wasn't that big of a fan. I came along four or five years after the game was out And got into the the franchise So so the same fans that brought that bought Breath of the Wild In the beginning are not the same fans right now We have we have grown or we have double or triple just because of this game the how what more people who haven't played Breath of the Wild People who just got a switch last holiday. Well, that's another group of people then they need to kind of climb climb on board But what I'm saying is that Yeah, what I'm saying is that the reason why they're marketing if they are marketing it's a So Breath of the Wild fans is because they realize that when they the the fans they had When the game launch Right now those fans have double or triple in size So that means that That the the sales will also double and triple in size if we can make That much more, uh, you know money than actual tears, uh, Breath of the Wild keeps into the game though I want to bring I think the the they did announce some or they did promote it, uh, Breath of the Wild Like in a way like play this game now, uh to Get ready Yeah, get ready for the new adventure by playing Breath of the Wild So they did at least acknowledge that part of it Plus the circumstances also dictate how the marketing is going to work because some people like to compare the marketing of Breath of the Wild to tears of the kingdoms, uh, because They're like, well, they showed so much more of that game and they were so much more open about it First of all, the Zelda team didn't even want that there's interviews where they speak about How reluctant they were to show more but this You think in hindsight that that they that they Would have held that same opinion, you know years later seeing the success of the game I'm not too sure but uh, they didn't have any other choice because Breath of the Wild was a completely different ball game It was supposed to sell the switch Uh, we just came from one of the one of the worst selling consoles of all time when it came to Nintendo consoles And this game was supposed to be the big You know was supposed to persuade people to buy this new system So it had a lot of stuff like a lot of weight on its shoulders and tears of the tears the kingdom doesn't have that It's like we've created this amazing game Breath of the Wild The sequel is coming, you know, it's going to be good and uh Could they have shown more? I don't know That time will tell because we're still quite a few Yeah, there's still quite a few months left before we actually get the so I feel like the marketing only started now because they know that First of all, a lot of people have played Breath most switch owners have played Breath of the Wild and the ones that don't We're going to tell them to play Breath of the Wild a few because you know If you start playing Breath of the Wild now, you're going to be finished with it by the time tears of the kingdom comes out And it's all going to be fresh and you're going to be able to like if you as opposed to playing Breath of the Wild two years ago Or maybe like in 2019 when the game was first like when tears of the kingdom was first announced Still Breath of the Wild 2 back then or the sequel to Breath of the Wild You know, it's not going to be as fresh anymore. So I don't I don't think it's unreasonable unreasonable that they are now Starting to push more people towards Breath of the Wild Yeah, um, I I personally don't think well, I I guess my perspective is that um All right, I should say I don't like the idea that They're not marketing it just because of Breath of the Wild and they're just trying to pitch this just for Breath of the Wild fans Because I think that's limiting right. I think they should always shoot for for above that Said obviously it's going to be a challenge to to surpass Breath of the Wild in terms of sales But they should still try right like they shouldn't just not try they should still try um But I do also agree that because of Breath of the Wild's existence They don't have to tell us that much and I think just you know the speculation the theories That will eventually trickle into other people who didn't try Breath of the Wild, right? Like maybe they a lot of people have heard about Breath of the Wild But didn't give it a go because You know they've worn around we're considering it back then but now there's this new Zelda Those are like, oh, well, I'll just play the new Zelda instead, right? So like it can still be a situation where they can take advantage of the fact that Because Breath of the Wild exists, they don't have to market as much leading up to it But it can still be in a way it can still work in a way Well, it will still reach out to a lot of people who haven't played Breath of the Wild so yeah, I mean I think you can go both ways Yeah I have other thoughts on it, but you know what as you guys are talking. I just kept thinking There's a video idea that I don't need to worry about spoilers. I'm gonna hold on to my thoughts on that Um, I did have one other question for the group and I again. I hate bringing everything kind of backwards a little bit, but The chat was going so damn well. I just I you know Jumping in is not necessarily my thing especially with me talking coming off. Yeah, right. Um Do we think that there would be a different view on the leak here If it did come after let's say a PAX East like demo Um where we did see a little bit more of the game Per se you think people would be less pissed off versus when it was like now because we haven't Yeah, I agree Yeah, yeah Especially especially if the elements in that footage was already in the art book like yeah Yeah, because I think my What I've shown more more more footage, you know So I think it's because of the timing though. It's way it was right. It's too soon You know Advantage of this and I now still sell a digital version. I'm launching it right of the of the uh Just don't of the art book. You just don't know that out there. Nintendo I already I already got my copy. So I don't have to He's playing he's already playing it. This is why he keeps saying to anyways Um We're gonna Move on here to our next topic Probably won't say too much honor We're gonna it was originally a two-part topic But because of timing we're gonna cut it down just to the pokemon Presents that was announced for next monday. Yeah Quickly any thoughts on games that are gonna be there Uh, I think it's pretty obvious a certain pair of games. Maybe a triplet of games based on the music and the announcement, but Any thoughts um what potential Games you might be getting announced next monday. That's the Pikachu too That'd be that'd be good one To see let's go gold and silver Okay, we're gonna get a mobile app game. Okay, or an update to one obviously we're gonna get the dlc for uh, uh Scarlet and violet right a little more patches, you know to fix the stuff there, right? We're gonna get this year's game Because this is a game over here, right? No, either or either what another port I just have been very against I'm not gonna make any any bets because I already have This thing here that I would ever want to wear The bets aren't going your way in 2023 We still see peach That's the thing I'm having trouble finding a peach costume Well, I'll tell you behind the scenes what I'm gonna do. There you go. I'll tell you what I'm I'll probably have to wear like a hat like this that would be the peach on it, baby. There you go With a blonde wig and a peach sweatshirt or something I already I already got a blonde wig so There you go Your beard blonde Dude, I got well the the multiverse of you know mics this so they have different hairs Yeah, yeah, but um good about you about mike wood. Yeah, there's mike wood Mike wood is out there. We have actually we have mike. Um, oh, there's a mike. Um Uh, Mike, let's remember some beat about there's a microwave microwave microwave I swear if there's a video of you with your head sticking out and Through a microwave and you open the door. I'm just gonna lose it Instead of strong wave is mike wave Oh, Mike need to film yourself in front of a green screen Um So there RGT 87 also is out there You know, but yeah, this is not about the mike versus this is about pokemon presents pokemon presents It's gonna be a good good little minutes. We're gonna see uh port vlc and a whole bunch of um Like mobile stuff and of course that that really that competition. They always show that they have I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, you mike you gotta dress as ash ketchum to say goodbye. Oh, that's true That's true. He's he's he's done now Dunzo You think maybe they'll have like an anime scene or something? Yeah, I think they will I don't know if it'll be for the ending or if it's gonna be for the next one Because they've already started teasing the next I don't know. Oh, you mean the new one without without ash the the new show. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah He's everything at this thing. It's like it's like here's our year in pokemon Yeah, I stopped watching pokemon on season two Ash has been gone for me a long time ago You know Play I played more of the games than I watched the series the the show So who we all think the gameboy games are gonna be announced there. I think it's pretty obvious Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, so it was interesting about the gameboy games, right? One nintendo just announced gameboy game and game gameboy advance, right? So the timing there kind of works out, but also Next march We you and 3ds e shops are going to be entirely closed for purchases. So you will no longer be able to buy The pokemon games on the 3ds e shop red blue and yellow Yeah, so there's going to be another way to buy them. Wow And they removed the disclaimer that you couldn't transfer pokemon in the state Yeah, and the most recent update on the japanese site. That's true. So like those things Seen any point and that obviously that there's like this 15 second clip that shows gen one pokemon like Yeah, yeah, and they have the game boys. It's like, yeah Now what I wonder though because it seems like they're teasing it Is if they will if it's just going to be like Them on nintendo on gameboy online or there's going to be something a bit more to it And that it kind of gets me excited someone brought this up earlier and I don't I don't expect this Right, but it's just kind of a fun idea. Like what if yeah, those games are already brought to nintendo on switch online But they like have like a remake of pokemon stadium or something like how cool would that be? Probably not going to happen. They'll probably just have connectivity to put one stadium one and two But you know, I mean that may be a good enough announcement in and of itself, right? Because I mean gameboy gameboy advance like that that is still pretty hype That said I totally agree with you detective Pikachu. It seems like this is the right time for it Just because the switch era is over. So Yeah, and there was um, we recently saw job listings that they are still developing and so it's not like it was canceled or anything Yeah Another interesting thing that may show up though is potentially mystery dungeon Because we saw That the developer of mystery dungeons flag Chunsoft Their copyright was up to 2023 on the pokemon website for pokemon day So could be hinting at at a mystery dungeon game and there was a leak There was a leak that showed a list for pokemon presents. It had a mystery dungeon on them on it I covered it. I covered it like I I think about a week ago was it like I didn't see I didn't see that one. Was that like like a good leak or like a I mean, I got it from my nintendo news. So Okay Was it coming from the riddler? I like to use to not represent the views of the nintendo friends Hey, they they they source when they like it and they source what they what they want to it Hey, I will say I emailed them about the thing with me and they did fix it So I know them too, but they never fixed it. Let me see this. Yeah And sometimes there's like a bigger channel bias base. What should I see? Exactly presents leak is if I search that my matter of news will come up. Maybe channel like me doesn't matter to them Yeah, that's stupid. I just I just want to People are like that Yeah, if you have a certain foul over count like uh, it doesn't matter the sources of the source come on stupid anyways Look the only thing I really have to add and I know that Andres massively disagrees with us at all, uh, which is totally fine It's just um I think There could be a new game this year. There'll be remakes. I think there will be BDSP style games for black and white And I think it's with the drop He wasn't even thinking black and white. He's like, uh, uh, um The answer is no by the way, but I'll explain in a minute By the way if I'm wrong, I'll wear two donkey kong hats. I want listen sideways How do you wear two donkey kong hats? On the shoulders, I need I need the dks licking his two donkey kong hats and the peach crown There you go. There you go. There you go. Yeah Real the last person was that was this confident was jeff grub didn't go well for him Yeah, but that was that was asking the channel to reveal something I'm I'm expecting them to not reveal a gen five remake Two years after gen four remakes that we waited more than half a decade for Yeah, I love remake And there's we use that company again. I didn't buy most of the mobile Most of the mobile games because of course, you know, I can't see them and I always play on the big screens So so You know, yeah, so whenever they say oh, this is 3ds port under this coming through the switch like yes Finally, I get to play it on a big screen TV, you know, like so I'm I'm all for ports So, hope you baby It's hope it's coming me to Pokemon presents. Yeah It is a switch. I know I was saying a port you got one me told me Yeah, so they bring more I'm talking about poking my porch. Yeah, so let me explain why I'm being such a Debbie downer here, right? Because I'm telling Nate. He can't have his gen five remake. I'm telling Mike. He can't have his And you're crapping on it. Listen, listen, this will flip Okay, it's because it's because I pay attention to pokemon just a little bit more I'm a hardcore pokemon. Literally. Okay. Anyway, um explain three games in 12 months I'll explain cannot wait for hundred Money well, listen, I'm not gonna be that's fine so So Typically, there is a mainline release every year almost But there's an exception The year following a new generation Little the last time they had dlc. That's gonna be their focus That was their focus and it's gonna be their focus this time You know that patterns don't work, right that they don't work patterns don't work. No, actually it does work About patterns No, sometimes we misinterpret the patterns and maybe I'll misinterpret this one What'd you say Nate I didn't hear you I'll say did you consider that new variable that they're letting an outside company now remaster pokemon games? And that's a valid point. Maybe it may be um, but I doubt it But I doubt it because they're gonna have A program expansion pass with two different packs one will be the focus in the summer The other will be the focus in the holiday. So when did you when do you fit in another one now? I'll give you this A top-down remade pokemon games not gonna hurt the sales of dlc for they're not gonna come out at the same time Maybe maybe it comes out next year january. Maybe they'll if they could announce in their legends game It could come out next january. I'm okay with that Let's go Not not not you got me all excited because no legends game is yes Yeah, um, but anyway the the main reason is simply because it is The pattern and pokemon if there's any company that that holds the pattern more than any other it is pokemon It's a new generation every three years It's always like that. So That's what's gonna happen man. It's it's raining. I hear a lot of rain Listen, uh, that's it. He disagrees. Okay He has the last word All right, well, I'm gonna be wearing two of them on both my shoulders If they announce generation five remakes two years after generation four remakes Which is not gonna happen But I'll say this though I do think That when it comes to spin-offs They could they could announce as many spin-offs as they like they're gonna be a whole bunch of them And they could be epic I mean some of my favorite pokemon games are spin-offs poke end tournament new pokemon snap pokemon stadium like so there's There could be some hype games announced there anything Well You got anything he's not with it I'm staying away from this one. I haven't touched pokemon games since yellow Hey, you know, I'm right there with you pretty much. I mean, I've dabbled in a little bit of a like let's go and and uh I bought legends archies, but I only played a little bit of it. So um Yeah, I mean you guys got anything more on on pokemon anything else you guys are You know what I realized I I have played many pokemon games, but I've beaten very few And it has to do with with with with repetition I think if the two repetitive Then it just doesn't do it for me, you know, uh, but with um Scarlet and violet it I I went through the entire it kept me it kept me through through the entire game I passed the entire game I think it's because Of the open world because I'm I love exploring. I just that's the one game that I truly love is exploring Right exploring like like new places just going out of the story just to explore something new Not staying on a train track and you know waiting for it to leave me somewhere else. So With this game, I think that that um, it actually that that's what captivated me in the cousin room reminded me of for a while in the course of of uh You know other open world games. So I'm I'm more of an action open world kind of Kind of kind of geek, you know anything about legends. Have you played legends? Yeah, I love legends Yeah, legends arc is that that's the first game that I thought that I was open world was more like open zone But still you get the illusion. Yeah, that's true parts But I love that game. It was awesome. I think that if they kept the same exact mechanics from from Arceus and they brought him over to um legends, uh, not legends, uh Violet I think a little bit a bit a better game But story wise the fact that you have three story lines You can go whichever you want that to me. I love that. Um, I like I like the fact I'm not gonna say much because I don't know if anybody has played it, but it's gonna well No, the ending sequence was really good. The ending sequence is awesome. I was like man Yeah, it's emotional too. It's really cool. Yeah, it's a tear-jerker All the puppy the puppy got me Puppy got me. Yo, the puppy had me On on the edge of my seat the entire game. I was so worried for that puppy. Yeah, man I thought I you know, I will Steve It was I don't know. I don't know. My most deeper my most if something like that Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't have a month either. Yeah, but I call it Or I call it most of my postive my postive whatever But it wasn't maybe it's my most life because of the year So I hope that the next game it I hope they build upon Um scarlet and violet. I hope I hope they don't never they never go back to just Some the same thing that they had before but they continue to to build on it, you know The dlc is gonna be exciting because it's gonna build on that. Um, They're they're worried yet. Maybe it's something like where Each dlc is just like another quest like, you know, how you had like three quests for the main game and the final part was a Fourth quest. Yeah, maybe they added another quest maybe with a new area with each um expansion pack for ways one and two I mean if you look at how they handle sword and shield What was cool about sword and shield is that they introduced the wild area, right? That was them moving the direction of more open exploration And then the dlc was more in that direction was an evolution of that game That they had a better wild area There was the island and then they had the crown tundra as a second pack that was also an improvement So maybe they can build upon the open world with the dlc Plus they are patching the game. So it's not a running like a trashy Yeah You know what I like about the the the I'm actually modern pokemon because I haven't played all pokemon games And maybe all pokemon games are kind of the same but what I like about the pokemon franchise in games is that There's always something going on even even after you defeat the story lines you there's always something going on They got raids. They got tournaments. They have new pokemon to show up. They got to let the legendaries They got really good if you have friends too. Yeah, I mean, I've never count I've never caught a shiny in my life to me. They don't exist. It's a myth People who say they're shinies out there who have good 20 shinies. No, you have not I'm giving you a shiny for your birthday. Oh man. No, no as no blue moon gave me a shiny I still don't don't think they exist. I'm like, I think she just edited the code and say look, this is a shiny Yeah, I mean that that is possible. It's pretty common in pokemon. It's They don't exist because I've never caught one not even a pokemon go not even here. I'm like, dude. What's the shiny? Where is the shiny? I'm never caught a shiny in my life. They never come to me They never come to me You do have you do have to pay attention because sometimes they can be really subtle now But I haven't caught every single pokemon in like in in in uh, did you did you complete your pokedex? In violet no and pokemon uh go Oh, oh, yeah, I complete I complete the pokedex on scarlet violet. Okay. It's more than me Well, there's still more because there's still more of the legendary, you know, a bunch of other ones We're gonna get new pokemon at the presents, by the way They're at least gonna like show off the paradox pokemon or announce a few new ones or some new forms I look at blue mo is using the chassis. I have uh 283 shiny. They don't exist You have 283 regular pokemon. They just There's messing with you. I'm messing. All right. Um into our final topic here. We have Oh This is probably Besides like presents and like future news that's coming, you know, mario direct and all that Mario movie director. I don't want to be good. I know it's a new game mario movie director. Um There was a massive partnership announced this week Some people were confused because they thought this was already announced But technically it was just the intent now. It's a legally binding contract with additional details Yeah, it's by the president of microsoft Brad smith that nintendo and microsoft have entered into a 10-year agreement to have call of duty coming to nintendo Platforms it will have feature parody. It will be their day and date with xbox. Yeah Even put through in extra details Such as things like not just feature parody, but you will have equal access As playstation and xbox and I think that's a very key term The key and i'm because that when people are like it's going to be cloud even jeff grubb was all up an issue Oh, it's got to be cloud. It's obviously got to be cloud equal access means you have to be able to play it without the internet Can't be cloud then of course the key thing is is it ever actually going to come to switch Because the first game in that contract probably wouldn't be till 2024. Yes So what do you guys think about it because I mean, I've actually had well, I'm I you know, I'm not going to get into the idiot on twitter who tried to act like Company they signed a contract. Yeah, don't give them a time of day. They don't deserve a time of day I gave them a time on twitter because I just knew it would give me a bunch of likes because sometimes pointing out idiot Sometimes I'm hunting for likes. All right Leave me alone when I'm gonna say things like metropine remaster didn't impress me visually I gotta have my other tweet that gets those people to stay subscribed Right Listen, man. I'm excited about call of duty, right? You have to bring that duty over here because this is good I prefer to card I love call of duty. That's my favorite franchise when it comes to shooters now played it for a while. I have it on on on um Yeah, what I have it on On on on um game pass right game pass that has it One or two, but um I don't think it's coming to the switch. I think it's coming to the next end console, which will be announced this year. Yes You heard it here first um, so Yeah, call of duty someone for the next switch to the next console, but it can also be backwards compare I mean that's compatible. No, no not that one I mean what we could also get all the dlc is going to come with with uh to the switch also to the nintendo And even special editions I heard too So if they ever have special editions, they'll also be available to be picked on par For nintendo. Yeah, so it's pretty cool. I think it's it's it's a good partnership I think nintendo and microsoft have been very friendly, you know, they've been kind of getting along more, you know Pretty cool. So I hope that this is the first Of of many Contracts they signed to collaborate because I think they're both great Um, you know, my my second favorite is xbox You know, I'm debating whether to sell the xbox or the places are five because I don't you know, I don't play You know, so I'm thinking I'm getting I'm keeping the xbox um But yeah, I think it's a great move for for nintendo great move for microsoft I'm glad that they're working together And hopefully we get game pass on the switch. So our mobile mobile devices or Yeah, well, we do have two rare games on nintendo online. So maybe we'll get a third one I mean, but the rare games were on the switch on nintendo before though, right? Yeah, but they're it requires some nintendo, I mean The thing is microsoft owns banjo kazooie They own rare. So yeah, we're not banjo toy That battle to be nice jet force gemini Um, the only one that I think doesn't have any chance Yeah, I mean, that's what I was about to say. It's like the only one that doesn't And it's multiplayer is awesome. It's way better than the xbox version of multiplayer for that game And having that available to play online teddy bear ninja action. Let's go. Thank you. I would love it What game does xbox have? That is exclusive to them That we would want Honestly, um rare replay A game where we play where we play but no, I mean, I mean at the caliber of a zelda Fable age vampires So so because we can make do right now I'll call I'll call him right now and ask him if you we could be getting you know, you can have game You can have a zelda Don't do not if you couldn't pick If you do not pick age vampires everyone plays it on pc. You're gonna you need needs to be fable Fable but wait you can do it. I got a touch. You can play age vampires on the touchscreen I don't care about you Anyways, no, but I was I was gonna say I love age vampires. I'm a huge age vampires. I've been playing beginning, um But uh, and I don't know anybody has anything negative to say about age vampires age of mythology That was a misstep but age vampires pretty good. Uh But here's the thing, um, you know, you think about like microsoft I used to what do they have on the level of zelda they just bought Bethesda Elder scrolls There you go. Yeah, we can we can do a deal what they we can they can have zelda. We can have all the scrolls Do we have skyrim? But we want to moral end we we do we you know the next Games in the works forces is a good franchise too. They have good good, uh, you know, of course Yeah, force is really popular with oh, that's actually really interesting. Yeah, so oh, um Skyrim is what? Um The fifth the fifth one, right? The fifth elder scrolls game because oblivion is number four more ones number three So There hasn't they haven't come out with a sixth one yet, right? They've been working on that for like A really long time. No, but really it was just like a teaser Yeah So zelda fans we complained about the five to six year development cycles, but Last eye check skyrim came out came out back in 2011 so Wow crazy man Yeah But yeah That we have a door that was that we have a contract sign this this this could be If it works well, you know develop a really good relationship with microsoft This could be to other other really good cool contracts for you know That could be win-win for both nintendo fans and xbox fans, you know Yeah, i'm still hoping for a new banjo game Like a brand new one like that. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, you know what? I never actually noticed until this announcement that oh, yeah, there are no call of duty games on the switch I don't know why it never ever occurred to me before because Obviously, I know about the ones on the we you and there were a couple on the On those on the we as well The ones I did play the we you after after we I started playing call of duty on pc only But uh, because you know the the only reason I played them on the we back then was because of the novelty of using the the the we mode To aim I thought that was pretty cool. I played a lot of world at world at war That one was but yeah, I've never Never noticed that they are not on switch at all so The fact that that's gonna change obviously like mic said I do think it's gonna be mostly referring to the new system Because as soon as I saw with full feature and content parody I was like, how's that gonna work on this on the switch this current version of the switch That I don't think that's gonna Go over very well. I mean it might run at 480p, but Here's the thing Funny thing is the so there's been some leaks at actually another was like a massive hack again Legit leaks coming out in ways that people don't want to come out And one of the things was that the call of duty game next year Was going to end up going to last generation devices, which is a little bit different than how they're handling it this year And the thought is that if it is coming to switch, that's why they're doing it So like next year's game might not be as visually impressive because they're intentionally making it for old hardware First because of this potential contract Um, which I find to be utterly fascinating if they're going backwards because of it and that's gonna as as exciting as that might make it for switch owners PlayStation 5 and x y series x owners are probably not going to be very happy about that um PC gamers as well, obviously, so It's very interesting that that ends up being the case like they're actually dumbing it down visually Um to make sure that it can run on switch now. I again, we I mean, this isn't a podcast about the new hardware and if it'll be out next year You know, I I think it's pretty safe to assume it will be but who knows like I I don't think I don't think I agree with that. I think I think what they will do Is they'll have a dedicated team to work on the switch version They'll have the main version for those who have po Good pcs x boxers x and playstation whatever But they'll have they'll have the a switch dedicated team to work on switch. Well, which will probably be Dumb Slap the leaks down. I'm just I'm the messenger. I'm just going out there. What's being shared Well, I mean So is it how how powerful is the switch going to be like it's still going to be switch It's still going to be a lot less powerful than ps5 and and series x. Yeah, but A lot of the leaks reports have it like um This this is just guesstimates based on chips that are actually quite old at this point I'm what I'm when they were talking about the switch pro and what that could have been It could be even better tech than that this time. Well, the chips they were looking at seem to be around Close to a playstation 4 pro But not quite and that would probably be close enough that the down part would actually be pretty good I guess the other thing to consider is that when you look at all the ports that have come to switch They're big the biggest problem is how blurry they are right because low resolution Yeah, but we're in the lss or fs. Yeah, then, you know, exactly So target a low frame rate so they can get the games running well And then with dls s they can look okay. Yeah, make it look better That's the biggest thing if they can get the lss for like every game that'd be sweet. Yeah Yeah I mean we have seen that when they do put that like When they do have a dedicated team that really does their best to make sure it's Like it's not just a downgrade a simple downgrade. They actually put effort into it It can run pretty well on switch. And yeah, it's going to be a little bit more blurred. Like I I love doom on On switch. Yeah, they did really do me a new maternal. Well, they did a really good job porting that Yeah, and uh, the even though I haven't played it because I have it on pc but the metro 2023 redux For switch was surprisingly well done It runs really well. They managed to capture all the atmospheric stuff Like obviously there's going to be they had to tone down particles and And draw distance and all that kind of stuff But it it's it looks surprisingly well, especially in handheld mode those games an acceptable version of the game Which is people could play and enjoy it Yeah, which is the whole novelty of those types of games on switch to begin with Uh, if you're gonna if you're gonna just play on a tv screen You might as well just play on pc or something more powerful But the fact that you can play those types of games like doom or like metro 20 33 on the go on the airplane or whatever Yeah, that's that's why you buy those versions of the game Yeah, yeah, I mean i'll say this the switch has replaced the newspaper in my bathroom Yeah, exactly Does anyone even get newspapers anymore? I don't even know Is it I don't I don't I'm one of the last time I got too sure It's like free like sometimes you get one in the mailbox. It's like ads, but uh anyways, um Cool. Yeah, I don't I don't care about any of this. I just want diddy con racing This one thing is like Nintendo has the rights to it. I don't know why I don't know. Maybe there's something else behind the scenes why they haven't re-released it Uh, I don't know that Donkey Kong 64, right? Maybe like the engine it's on is all in my rare or something Yeah, well, I know we have three technically three rare games on switch Yeah, with perfect dark banjo-kazooies Banjo-kazooies in the nso and no gold mine. No Well, here's a Microsoft and Nintendo. They're no strangers to working together this generation um, so it's kind of a Like when I saw some of the comments like oh Nintendo supporting, you know the acquisition just like look look if you expect a multi-billion dollar company to do anything We'll look out for their own Well, then I don't know you're talking about I mean this isn't about the acquisition. This is we don't have this We think our gamers might have it of course. We'll sign the contract. What do we care? We don't need it. We're successful without it But you know what if you're gonna come to us and say hey, we'll give this to your 10 years feature parody We'll bring it over locally. Yeah, this system next system the next two systems. However Hey, you know what? This is just the beginning. Maybe we'll renew the contract. You know what? So when I gotta lose because right now we don't have it So why don't I do something for our gamers and sign the dotted line? Yeah Like yeah, oh, does this support Microsoft's acquisition? Probably so The only the only people that really seem to be mad about that acquisition sony Yeah, no one else really seems to be opposed. It's just sony And now sony won't even pick up the damn phone when Activision calls So that relationship is already strained if even if the sale doesn't go through So I don't think sony's getting their advertising deal renewed Because it expires in two years We call it dirty. So assuming it's not voided with the sale, which am I am I give money with the sale? But But like People are pissed about the actual acquisition itself or this new contract The acquisition And then that Nintendo signed the contract because it shows that You know the concern that they're going to horde call of duty isn't really a concern And that's the thing that's potentially holding up the deal because sony's keeps trying to argue That Microsoft's going to make it exclusive. This is a this is a See we're not making it exclusive from that at least the next 10 years That thing But this ad also has to be a conditional contract obviously because they technically don't Yeah, yeah, it's a legally binding contract, but it only kicks in with the sale because Activision did sign it At least we don't know maybe Activision did Oh, I assumed that the the news was that they had gone through already Because this is all news at this point because we already knew that they were trying that it was it was the court gets holding up I thought this was done No, it's not they actually announced this the morning of a meeting They were about to have a regulators in europe behind closed doors with sony Um because this is the first one that looks like it's going to close either in their favor or not in their favor And literally all of the regulation and the funny thing is the one they're trying to close Uh with the cma they they are do saying some weird things Um like they're they're they're trying to argue that the nintendo deal or potential deal nintendo doesn't count They're not a competitor This is irrelevant to them Which is fascinating It's fascinating because while you can argue maybe the call of duty isn't relevant There are other Activision Blizzard games on switch We got the crash games. We got spyro We have overwatch one and two like we have games from that company that this acquisition could affect So to argue that nintendo isn't part of the conversation I found that to be very strange in those legal documents But yeah, what do you do? I personally think that this has nothing to do With the Activision Blizzard company itself. I think sony just has a Uh a spell with you know with microsoft and they're they're just uh, they're not. Oh, yeah This is just sort of like we can't make acquisitions like you. Yeah, they're not found of microsoft buying all these companies and You know, so they're they're they're trying to actually losing with that What they're doing is you know They what they're doing is you know what? We're we're gonna make this deal even more expensive for you because you know microsoft has to pay All these lawyers don't have to get all these things and all these court things and dealings and everything So basically it's costing sony money too, though. It's yeah microsoft. Don't care Microsoft's missed her money bags compared to some but but it's gonna cost microsoft more in the end Lawyers are on retainer. These lawyers are getting paid either way Also, they're gonna make absolute bank with um Activision Blizzard coming in they they don't care how much more I'm for the I'm for the purchase because I love game pass now. I like what what microsoft I'm for the purchase because of the workers. Let's put this one. I want the workers to get better work conditions Like that's how that's people forget. That's how this all started Activision Blizzard messed up messed up bad and someone died Like this is a very serious thing that's being ignored by all of these legal entities That the whole reason the sales occurring is because the workers are suffering and some company needs to come in and change that If not microsoft somebody so like it's just It's frustrating that I feel like the main narrative that caused this sale in the first place Seems to be being forgotten in the country as it becomes all about fanboy Wars and sony fans and microsoft fans and everyone like It's this is bigger than us Yeah Like someone died can we put some value on someone getting like committing suicide over their treat? Like it's just it's sickening to me that's going being forgotten in the conversation But Yeah, I just want game pass Yeah, game game pass is like the one of the greatest deals in gaming And sony has brought that up as like a we can't compete with game pass kind of so like this is so unfair It was funny, I know it's funny. I said look if this deal gets successfully locked, you know what's next Okay, fine. We can't buy them. Well, we're gonna get call of duty on game pass Anyways, because we could just sign a contract with them and pay with that check We've done with everybody else right Well, it's sony can kind of start their own game pass type thing too. I mean it's no they claim they can't I'm bullshit. It's not no no no Well, they have some sound reasoning sony is not as cash flushes microsoft microsoft's losing money on game pass Yeah, sony can't afford to lose money like that for years on end to compete Because microsoft took the netflix route netflix lost money for a decade lots and lots and lots of money microsoft can afford to do that to come out on top sony can't So they are like completely different sized companies And that that's what sony's more worried about now I will say this sony Look, you don't want to do day one game pass Incompete that's fine. All your games are 50 off within two months anyways at that point throw a lot of service and call it a day They'd be close enough to competing would you end up hurting sales? Maybe not because you have the day wonders that don't want to wait So I don't know. I know they eventually put in a playstation plus like a year later anyways, but That's a year later versus a couple months. Yeah, horizon horizon permitting west is just just got on uh under the other servers Yeah, yeah, so it's sony does have a different way of doing it But yeah, this is one of those things where it's it's it's a bunch of rich people arguing in a room because I mean microsoft's main argument about all of this has always just been hey How can you say that this is monopolistic when even after all these acquisitions were in third place I mean I mean, it's a fair point microsoft is the argument we spent all this money and we still suck So How can this do anything else? Maybe the acronym? Yeah, we're mediocre But I mean We spent all this money already and we still suck so Ergo buying this might just make us suck a little bit less And maybe not like the biggest argument in and Phil Spencer for this is like How can you call us a monopoly when you're the market leader and sony's been consistently the market leader for so long compared to microsoft that they're like Sony's just worried about losing call of duty money. Okay, but you're on top already Sorry somebody else wants a piece of the pie kind of thing. That's what you know That's also one game. Yeah, I mean I will say if this deal does go through though I don't think microsoft's going to be able to make any other major acquisition like this again I think this is yeah, I don't think they'll be able to buy anything this big again because If they're already having a hard time pushing this through or imagine the ea, you know, they want to go get ea Yeah, that's not getting approved It's not gonna happen I don't even know if they didn't even be able to buy 2k, you know stuff like that. So They will be done buying companies. They'll just be smaller ones basically i'm saying, okay All right, well, I think it's going to do it for today's podcast everyone I think i have to tune in into episode nine of that nintendo prime podcast As always links to everyone is down in the description if you listen to the audio version We have a link to the video version that has the links to everyone's channels It gets really weird on all these different podcast services with links. So, um But before we go We got a chance for everyone to shout out what they're working on what they got coming up and where they can find you So andres restart wants to go with you since you're up there in the big box I'm i'm in the big box You will be soon so, um there may or may not be a recording that is edited that will have me and Nate Having a little chat about our twitter exchange today um I'm preparing for the hate It'll be fine But yeah, so I don't need your comments. It'll be fine. Maybe maybe a little bit of a graphics debate You may see it tomorrow um, I am thinking that I have a strategy for for this, um Zella leak situation. I may have something coming out, but i'm going to be very careful Um about spoiling things. So i'll make my messaging very clear tomorrow but um So there's zella metric videos planned in the coming days So stay tuned There we go Monster bays you want to tell me you got going on and where they can find you? Yeah, the big box So I told you it'd be soon Yes, uh for those who don't know yet, uh I run a zella focused youtube channel I have covered some elder ring and some other stuff too, but the vast majority of my content is what I would call cinematic zella theories and game design analysis stuff like that Uh, I upload a couple of times per month depending on the size of the projects themselves So if that sounds interesting to you, just uh, I guess go give it a watch. Uh As I've stated, I'm not going to be touching the leaked footage or the the leak I'm not going to be discussing it, but I will Like andre I will devise some sort of strategy to get around them You know I got a hot take in a good way. Maybe it's not even that hot of a take monster maze is the best zella youtuber on the internet Well, thank you, man. That's uh, say I actually I actually honestly mean that like Like I I love zeltik zeltik's great. You're number one to me zeltik is the king zeltik's also amazing Yeah, but yeah, thank you. Thanks a lot that that means uh means a lot to hear In general, I always feel humbled when people Name me in the same sentence with like zeltik and a couple of the other guys that maybe you guys are not too familiar with but Like in the zelda community, they are like the upper echelon of the Of the zelda theorist community So it's always cool when I I used to watch these guys, you know the back web like long before I started my channel I used to watch all of these guys and now i'm talking to them and Being in calls with them theorizing with them. Like how did I get here? So so yeah, but yeah, thanks That means a lot I mean it Let's see Eric Where can they find you? What do you have going on? You have one thing What Yeah, you will see that some videos Yeah, there's that Come on, I got you a ticket there. I mean, yeah, there is that yes We still gonna make all the arrangements and everything but yeah, yep Yeah, so that's it. Make it by new twitter twitter email 8790. He will read every tweet and probably respond to that Yeah, probably Unless you really antagonize on like Cory does once in a minute. Yeah, you really really try to drag It's painful for me to just like god. I gotta actually pull up the keyboard on my phone and pipe it A text message pulling a tooth. It's twitter. It sucks Yeah, I'm not sure too many people love twitter. All right, my god, I see What's going on? Where do they find you? What is uh, welcome to the nintendo prime? Oh, I Right, well, I'm glad I know you're ready to host it if I'm ever just dying Anyway, anyway, well this saturday. We're hosting a live stream Uh, we're having a mario kart tour and the fall guys tour to celebrate our 20 20 000 subscriber milestone And uh, we announcing the switch old ed winner They get to pick these platoon edition or the Pokemon edition and then whichever edition we have left That'll go to our 30 30k subscriber milestone video We have that going on Um My channel if you if you it is is a friend channel. Okay. It's like friends. I don't talk lower I don't talk um things like that. I'm just I just talk news with a little bit of entertainment and um You know just like to have fun with you guys, you know, it's a family friendly or we into channel So if you have yeah kids, you know, you can throw an outro alone is worth every video watch Oh, I love listening to his outro Like oh my god, I'm like all the walking around my phone. Oh, all right Not his videos every time yeah, it's just It's the the the the the movie maker in me that likes that and with credits in the Like a movie type when you're walking out of theater, you hear the music like yeah, it's the movie maker in me, but um Yeah, you know, it's a it's a good friend family playing channel. You can watch with your kids on you know When you're having dinner or whatever news reviews And I'm starting to do More reviews for products on the weekends I'm getting back to the podcast again starting to speak to a couple of voice actors But this is so much better than mine then in topic podcast is not fast But but this time i'm not going to be mine by myself when it comes to interviewing these voice actors I'm going to have another panel That's going to be there too. So is this not going to be me interviewing them It's going to be a group of people and with the special podcast Voice actor and I still have to talk to some some some of you behind the scenes You know to jump in once in a while and support and show your support And maybe monster can come in once once in a while to and uh, you know when we do the the zelda, uh cast after the game I don't know my my my pleasure All right, yeah, so um, so yeah, I mean we already have the the panel for super mario They're coming they're going to be here next month in orlando where I live around area Uh, so we have we're going to try to do that podcast live with them on the table. We're nice, right? um, and um A lot more more fun stuff coming coming soon, so i'm going to start streaming soon because i got my stuff ready i got my my My stuff put together and i'm ready to start streaming Ellis with little videos showing me how well streaming runs and i'm just sitting here My laptop do I fight my laptop every day to get my streams to run? Yeah, man, but you get you're getting a max studio do that those days are over now you're about I'll believe it when they actually charge my card and say it's shipped. Okay. Yeah But yeah, i'm gonna start streaming. I'm pretty soon. I think i'm gonna pick fridays since nate doesn't stream on fridays Or andre you guys don't see one friday try to pick a day that i'm competing with you guys because i want to make sure that you guys You know, I don't want to take all your viewers away, you know Please don't maybe wonder why he doesn't stream when i'm streaming It's the opposite. It's the opposite. I have a hundred viewers. They start streaming. I got 10 viewers at the end like I'm sorry, Mike. But but yeah I'm on monday nights when i'm streaming. I know i want to stream a drop by like three. He's like, oh Is that when I Or it could also just be like it's getting I'm not trying to hurt your cast. I'm sorry. Uh, you know, you know, to be honest To be honest, I keep both you guys open on the tipper tabs Just so that I can You know apply the view and help you guys with the number and also I Go back and forward just listen to you. I guess my monday streams are changing We will just be live reacting to andre's research podcast Everybody's just going to watch my podcast on your channel And he takes all the revenue Money for you No, it's fine podcast has actually been doing solid. So I'm yes, I have noticed it's been doing. Yeah very happy to see that Yeah, you'll be glad to see that doing well. Yeah, and andre the the best schedule has already been pretty clear now I'm actually not working for a couple of laps leave of absence now So whenever you want to reschedule the you I know you wanted to have me on a while back. Oh, yeah Yeah, but yeah, I'm not by the way guys as of last week I am Technically full time on youtube, you know just because I take I took a leave of absence because of my eyesight I couldn't take anymore. I'm losing my sight as it is Um, well, my monsters didn't know this but I'm actually really blind can't see through the right eye 50% through the left eye. That's it um Yeah, so I had to I had to I worked for apple and I had to kind of stop working until I get surgery And I don't know when that's gonna happen. So I took a temporary leave of absence Don't know. I'm going back to work But I'm just doing Dedicating my time to to to youtube now while I can and resting my sight like crazy. I really needed it Um, but yeah, I got some free time Doing video. I released two videos today. So that's that's that's something new for me. Yeah, I was like nothing stopping Welcome to full time, buddy. Right? I mean, I got a fat zero out And I've been full time for months Yeah, but but yeah, I mean it's it's um, um, um, you know Yeah, for this I kind of been already full time daily videos. We know what the full time job is still it's like It's a lot, you know, so So, um, yeah, no, you have a guy. I'm talking too much. Let me just just shut up It did that happens doggie when we when you have a crew like we have it takes a bit to sign out Subscribe to my goddessy We're just gonna play the jingle of the channel I gotta create a jingle of my own then All things Nintendo Good awesome. Yeah, he's got he's got some bangers over there. Um I'm a I have a Hollywood brain. I have to do things Hollywood way Hollywood way not to do it my way and create the most complicated setup on youtube. How you guys doing? I'm in center prime. You know, what's up? Subscribe to me on youtube if you listen to the audio version, you don't know who I am by now I don't know what's wrong with you But you know what? Nintendo prime podcast is even better when you watch the video version You're assuming that you can watch it. I don't know. I once got the bandwidth or all the stuff to do that But if you do it's kind of crazy every now and then like we had a special podcast like two or three episodes ago We were showing footage from the nintendo direct live during the podcast That is something we can do Of course today we talked about leaks and we weren't gonna show them because I told you guys I wasn't gonna show the images again. So they're never gonna show up again on my channel, but Yes, yes, I only showed them three times before I stopped famous. Um Anyways, um That being said, uh, I think how you guys for being here the podcast has been absolutely incredible The season two support has been awesome big shout out to andres restarting my odyssey for dedicating to be here every single week So far for this show. It's been it's been really nice to know that I got a reliable crew Obviously eric over there as well. Although eric, you know, I should owe you the biggest. Thank you. You've been here for Um, since before the channel was out Since before I was even 30 years old number 37 helped me with this A long time that he's been helping me out around here Big shout out to monster maze. Yeah, very very funny the way the world goes from a from a tweet criticizing me Well, that's that's the way I It should go right like you disagree about something you Hash it out together and then after that you just right better If there's some overlapping which we do have because you know, we're both doing something related to nintendo. You just uh You just work together sometimes Well, I think you were coming out about that on again when we have some Zelda stuff to talk about which I'm sure there'll be more zelda stuff to talk about Um, I'm guessing yes This little my own game is coming out in like two and a half on that I don't know if you guys have heard of it. Yep advance words Yes called oracle of ages and oracle of seasons coming down this up. Um, I All right, uh, you guys have an awesome rest of your evening. Thank you everyone for watching We'll catch you next week and I promise one of these days will actually have an outro jingle I just don't know when but we will in the meantime. We'll use ours Bye guys later