 This is Breaking News Edition. I'm Benita Levine coming to you live from Tel Aviv. It will be a long and difficult war. Benjamin Netanyahu's message while offering condolences to the families of the 13 soldiers killed in Gaza during IDF operations to eliminate the Hamas terror organization. The group behind the terror onslaught in southern Israel on the 7th of October in which more than 1,400 people were shot, tortured and butchered. Earlier confirmation that another soldier from the Givati unit was killed during fighting in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, 2nd Lieutenant Padaya Mark. Now his father, Rabbi Mickey Mark, was killed in a shooting attack in the West Bank back in 2016. Earlier on Wednesday morning, a rocket landing on a main highway in Ashdod in the south, meters away from several cars. Miraculously, no one was hurt. Inside Gaza, the Hamas run health ministry saying more than 8,600 people have been killed in fighting in the enclave. But these figures have not been independently verified and are believed to include those killed by Palestinian rockets that misfired. And an Egyptian official saying the first ambulances carrying wounded Palestinians from the Gaza Strip entered Egypt via the Rafa crossing on Wednesday. Dozens of foreign passport holders in Gaza are leaving the Strip as the Rafa crossing to Egypt opens for the first time since the war started. The agreement to open that crossing was mediated by Qatar between Egypt, Israel and the Hamas terror group which controls Gaza in coordination with the United States. Let's listen to the latest message from the Israeli Prime Minister. We are in a difficult war. It will also be a long war. So far we have achieved important goals but there are painful losses. We know that each of our soldiers is a whole world and I say to the dear families the entire nation of Israel is with you in your time of pain and bearably difficult grief. We embrace you from the bottom of our hearts. Our soldiers fell in a just war, the war for our home and I promise you and all the citizens of Israel we will continue until we fulfill the mission. We will continue until we win. So for the latest on the ground we now cross live to our correspondent Pierre Klosschendler. He joins us from southern Israel and siren sounding in some communities earlier including the Rim, Enschlosche, Sufat and earlier a rocket landing on a highway in Ashdod, miraculously no one was hurt. Talk us through the latest in the south right now. Well in terms of rocket fire there was a lull of 11 hours and at 11am local time rocket fire started with a strong salvo targeting the southern cities of Ashkelon, Ashdod and whatever is in between in terms of localities. Then there was a trickle as usual of rocket fire on villages in the southern sector of the security fence on Israeli territory bordering the Gaza Strip in the central sector just 35 minutes ago and that's been the routine of war for the past 26 days. Now in terms of what we're seeing on the ground we don't see much because of the haze right now but we hear clearly the pounding of the Israeli air force of the artillery of the navy on the terrorist targets across the Gaza Strip but particularly in the district of the Jabalia refugee camp. We've heard from Palestinian reports that a neighborhood called Al-Falooja, not the Al-Falooja in Iraq but Al-Falooja in the Jabalia district was hard hit, building collapsed and with it collapsed all kind of things maybe tunnels. And as we continue hearing about the IDF operation to eliminate Hamas inside the Gaza Strip very briefly the latest on threats from Iranian proxies in Yemen. Talk to us very briefly. Well Yemen has not only threatened but launched ballistic missiles with a range of 1700 kilometer because they launched those missiles north of the western coast coastal port of Hodeidah in the southern tip of Yemen. That means 1700 kilometer range. That means Israel had to intercept those ballistic missiles with the arrow anti-missile defense system. Thank you so much correspondent Pierre Kloschendler live from southern Israel thank you always. Meanwhile a general strike has been declared across the West Bank and East Jerusalem today to quote denounce the Israeli aggression in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The IDF conducting overnight raids in the West Bank arresting 46 Palestinian suspects including 30 linked to Hamas. This brings to more than 1180 wanted Palestinians in the West Bank taken in including some 740 affiliated with the terror group in recent weeks. The Palestinian authorities health ministry saying in total 122 Palestinians have been killed in clashes with Israeli forces in the West Bank since the 7th of October. And now for more insight into the security situation on the ground we welcome to studio the tenant Colonel in the reserves Doron Avital former commander in the special forces of the IDF and our senior editor Guy Azrael. Thank you both so much for being here in studio Doron I want to start with you Benjamin Netanyahu is telling the nation a long and difficult war is going to be lying ahead and it's definitely coming at a cost already your assessment of what is happening on the ground right now in the Gaza Strip. I think in many respects we're in the initial stages of the campaign we have to acknowledge it and I think this is what I was trying to tell the public because the public might have thought that incursion this is it now we are only in the northern side of the Gaza and after a few days in which we established our position but now we are entering and it's a long campaign and we're talking only of the northern Gaza think after if we complete this operational stage what would be the next if we have to go soft well most of the public we ask them to go soft so a long campaign casualties unfortunately are expected and also we have to think of the window of opportunity in terms of our alliance the U.S. if things get worse in the Gaza and also think prospect forward even the question of whether when it's a long campaign campaign of months I hope this stage is a question only of weeks. Certainly you can feel within the country right now the sense of loss when you hear the number of soldiers already killed and as you say it's early stages in terms of what is happening in the Gaza Strip. Second Lieutenant Padaya Mark is a name that may ring a bell because his father Rabbi Mickey Mark was killed in the West Bank in a shooting back in 2016 and people in the country will remember these names because every single life here matters and you feel the sense of the tragedy so early on and the nation is already in mourning give us an idea of the connections between the soldiers that are going in and are fighting right now and the rest of the nation watching what is unfolding. I think within the forces you sense a clear sense of determination a war of no choice it's not a question of the world that we have chosen to fight and I think this clear determination and clear sense of mission applies to all our forces and you feel it everywhere even today at lunch I met a boy of a friend of the son of a friend and I was trying to tap him on the shoulder turns out he was wounded in the first day of the war fighting in the south so yeah guy adding to what Doron said here now what was very clear for all of us on the first day is how small the state of Israel is how each and every one of us is connected in some way to someone who was killed kidnapped or is missing in in those findings and as you were talking about they are mark well this is a story that we covered here on I-24 news in 2016 they I'm self was seriously wounded in that terror attack his cousin was killed on the first day as he went to battle to save Israeli civilians on those communities and they are did not want to go to the funeral he said he will continue to fight for his first country for his people and I think what this really emphasizes is how this war really brings together all parts of the Israeli society we're seeing in this case that was from the West Bank we're seeing so many of the kibbutz community the the moshaves and the communities are on on the border people who are secular religious from all walks of life and I think at this time and very it's very sad that it's happening under their circumstances everyone is united with the one goal of of winning here because people understand that they are fighting for their lives for the lives of their families and then there are no there's no more room for disagreements obviously there will be always political disagreements but it is a sort of war in which everyone understands that he is fighting for the safety of his own family of his nation regardless of where he's from and this is what we're seeing these days we're going to discuss more of this in just a few moments but right now let's go up north our correspondent Mary McAuliffe is in northern Israel close to the border with Lebanon and obviously Mary concerns remain around the next potential moves out of Hassan Nasrallah we know he is going to be speaking making a public address in the coming days but what is the latest up where you are what can you tell us this hour absolutely venetus we're all everybody here in the region very much waiting on the anxious breath to see what Hassan Nasrallah has to say in that Friday broadcast he's been fairly quiet since this war broke out that's not to say we haven't had statements coming out from Iran we've had many statements over the past three weeks continuing to warn Israel against what it calls its aggression and Gaza warning that if the operation does not end that there will be serious consequences that last message is the most recent one who came from the Iranian Foreign Minister who's currently now meeting with Turkish officials in Istanbul and in Ankara so that's the message they have now but they're not specifying exactly what those consequences are going to be and we have heard these warnings really since the beginning of this war obviously Israel has pushed forward with its operation in Gaza and we haven't seen any serious escalation on the northern border we've had numerous different strikes on American troops and other facilities throughout Syria Iraq in the Red Sea as well as of course a concerning development of the Houthi's also declaring war on Israel but here with Hezbollah it seems the same calculation that we've been seeing for weeks which is firing anti-tank missiles into Israeli territory targeting both Israeli military infrastructure and troop station on the border as well as civilian areas as we saw a couple days ago and then Israel retaliated with a number of strikes the IDF said about an hour ago it had once again attacked the cell that was trying to launch an anti-tank missile to two IDF bases on this border we're also hearing reports from inside southern Lebanon that there were Israeli strikes that were ongoing in an area Ait al-Shubh we don't have any confirmation from the Israeli military about what exactly those strikes were what the nature of them were what exactly their target were or any casualties that have come out the idea though did say there were no casualties on the Israeli side from the attempted attacks and the anti-tank attacks earlier today and Mary as we see these regional tensions escalating Iraqi militias vowing to escalate the situation we were discussing earlier in the broadcast about the Iranian proxies in Yemen as well give us an understanding of the lay of the land so to speak in the north many communities have been evacuated give us a sense of how many people are actually staying quite close to the border where you are at the moment there have been tens of thousands who have been evacuated both on the Israeli side of the border but also on the Lebanese side of the border as we continue to see these cross-border attacks here in Israel been touring at least trying to tour some of these northern communities were lying within four kilometers of the border because that's the area the idea last week evacuated all from that was adding an additional communities to that list of those who had to evacuate it's a very small contingency of their population who are still remaining on the ground here most of them are saying it's part of the Kita Kita note so it's private military inside the kaboots people who simply live there and the kaboots are Masha'v and wanted to stay and try and help protect from infiltrations we visited one community earlier today who said as they actually had a suspected infiltration attempt yesterday we don't have any confirmation from the Israeli military we tried to reach out to get a comment and we did not hear back but clearly this is ongoing in many of these residents here on the north are on a high alert we certainly feel that with our teams here having to move from location to location the military is heavily guarding this area and making sure trying to protect everybody in vicinity but also it's troops who are very heavily actively evolved and very clearly on watch here and we are actively seen it has wasn't take this to another step as the operation down south continues you stay safe please corresponded Mary Macaulay fly from northern Israel. Thank you Mary and still with me in studio Doron Avital and Guy Israel and Doron your take on what we just heard from Mary on the ground up north for so long now in this war and it's nearly four weeks coming up we've spoken about the threat potential out of Hezbollah and Hassan Nasrallah your sense of that threat right now as we see developments out of Yemen and Iraq as well all at the same time. Nobody can foresee the future but I think in terms of our strategy in the northern border it proved itself we stabilize the border we exchange with Hezbollah and he pays dearly for every provocation that he makes I think 50 Hezbollah warriors soldiers got killed by by now so I think there's a sense of competency and control in the in the northern border but a very a tense anticipation to see whether this is going to break and I think we'll all rule we're going to wait for Nasrallah speech on Friday. I wonder what he would say because I don't think he wants now to open a new front with us with the American deterrence in the in the Mediterranean and with the fact that we are all sits very well in the northern border and forces are allocated and we are waiting for the first mistake that he will make so in this respect this is the northern border but you mentioned the other fronts the Shia militia in Syria that and we attack from time to time and of course those the Yemeni that decided to open a front with us. This was the first for the our arrow our operational anti missile and a first success and it did its job it did its job. It's amazing outside of the atmosphere we salute the aerial industry and the Israeli army for such a success. A cynical attempt to hurt a lot where all the people that were evacuated are there but strange but I think they'll pay the they'll pay the dude in the in the future right now there's we don't want to open a front but we are waiting there. So I think three major fronts as you said the south of course where we fight West Bank the north and those two fronts in Syria and Yemen. Quite alarming to think this is happening at the same time. We joke about it. Yes. The idea of also sending naval boats there to the area very lot for further deterrence for that threat as for what's happening in the Gaza Strip. Idea forces are upping their pressure on Hamas particularly in Gaza City surrounding the city from all France basically from the north south east and also from the west from the sea with its naval forces. And we're talking about the amount of casualties that the idea has suffered yesterday 13 already been approved publication. Unfortunately 13 fallen soldiers. And that is because the idea is engaged in battle on the ground in a very complicated surrounding there on here knows better than all of us what that means in very narrow streets in the home turf of Hamas with many unpleasant surprises that they could have for them including explosives and the threat of anti tank missiles. The same threat that we saw from Hezbollah in the north. That was a main source of casualties yesterday. These cornet Russian made missiles that are both very accurate and very deadly especially on stationary targets. These are some of the many threats that the idea forces are facing there on the in the Gaza Strip. They are all very well aware of it. And I think nonetheless the soldiers are very determined to achieve this goal and protecting their brothers as a veteran of the route of 82 and fighting the PLO. I must tell you that this landscape is even much more difficult to operate in the Gaza Strip and the way they really fortified it. We've gone this infrastructure and underneath the city. So it's a big challenge and big challenge any urban welfare is a challenge but this one explicitly and I think the army is prepared but it's going to be tough. And of course we will be talking a little bit later about the fact that there are 240 hostages somewhere in tunnels dispersed across the enclave and obviously complicating that operation as we speak. We will be talking about that shortly. But first tens of thousands of targets valuable information flowing from the interrogation room to the troops on the ground that we're discussing right now more in this next report from Channel 12 News. Let's take a look. Thousands of tons of explosives have been used on the Gaza Strip in the past three and a half weeks. As the fighting progressed many new targets were added to the IDF intelligence target bank. In most cases the information comes from here from the Shin Bet's interrogation rooms. Hundreds of people some of them members of Hamas who possess a lot of information were caught on that black Saturday. A great deal of critical essential and life-saving information came from these investigations. Information that also serves the army right now. Sometimes you get information from the interrogated and within an hour a target is marked. These are the faces of the killers on October the 7th but they also hold a lot of information that may save lives. From the moment they were caught a race against time began. Interrogating a prisoner during a war is like a ticking time bomb since any sliver of information during war can save lives and that can affect the outcome of the battle or even the outcome of a battle in specific terrain. For the investigator there's no time to sit around and to conduct an interview that might take days or even weeks. The time element is critical and it's being treated appropriately. Each person when they're interrogated there's some kind of basic information about him or the unit he works in or the organization or the area he's working in. He's not being interrogated blindly. It can be confirmed by cross checking everything he says with what we know and also according to what other prisoners are saying. And here the Shin Bet speciality comes into play. They sit in front of those that a minute ago murdered, burned and maybe raped and now they need to make them sing mentally break them. In some cases there's a problem with identifying the people not knowing who they are. Those are people who were taught to hide their identity. Some terrorists when caught started singing almost immediately with no threats made by the Shin Bet. It's not what it looks like in the movies. These interrogations are held by law. I would say that applying physical pressure won't necessarily bring the results needed. No one just gives all the information they have especially not voluntarily. You need to produce it. In interrogations there's a saying that if a lemon was smart it would give up all of its juice without being squeezed. Same goes for the interrogated. They don't always give you everything and if they need a squeeze you must squeeze them. Most of the investigations are a chess game between the investigator and the interrogated. The investigation is very manipulative and very psychological. The investigators are excellent at reading body language and they can read the person being questioned. They can tell what his movements mean, what a hand movement means and what a drop of sweat. But some cases are exceptional. On the first days of the war a video was circulating on social media where terrorists were forced to listen to an Israeli children's song over and over again for hours. This was deliberate. Playing loud music in interrogations is so they can't talk to each other on one hand and on the other hand it's to not let them become relaxed and calm but to be in a state of constant stress for the upcoming investigation. The investigators saw the videos of the horrible crimes committed. Now they need to investigate the same people who did it. Sitting in front of a person when you know exactly what he did and then you now need to emotionally disconnect yourself from the situation. You now need to get into the zone of analyst investigator to look a person in the eye disconnect and interrogate. Sitting in front of a murderer and if he asks for a cigarette or a cup of coffee so he can confess and you know it can help with the confession you'll give him a cigarette and coffee and if now what works on him is the nice and warm character of the investigator or maybe the ability of the investigator to connect to something very personal or the investigator needs to do it to get a good confession even if inside he's in an emotional storm. As time goes by and the war continues the number of interrogated guardsons will grow and with it new quality of information will be produced to help win the war. Fascinating and disturbing report to Ron Avital one can't help but be struck when one sees these suspects these terrorists being interrogated how unemotional and stoical they are give us an understanding of how important it is the information that was gleaned from them how it's helping what is unfolding right now inside Gaza. Exactly this is the point we have to be very clear headed about it we need this intelligent to be introduced immediately and injected to the troops in in the battlefield in the venues of winning against Hamas and in the in the aspect of the hostages so we have to be very clear headed no emotions we want to get then this knowledge and to introduce it the fastest into what we call the operational loop in other words the forces on the ground the air force the artillery whatever we can aim and with the intelligence introducing the right moment we can get results and we had one such result with the rescue of the the woman's soldier that we had unfortunately we didn't have more of them more of those opportunities yet we have to admit we had a terrible intelligence blackout in the first few days and we are not talking on the digital the communication blackout but also in terms of the human and right now we have a lot of unfortunately those terrorists that we can interrogate and get the knowledge from this knowledge that can be critical to the success in the operation still so many questions about those massive intelligence failures obviously those will be investigated after the war guy more information as well on the intelligence front yeah we're referring to what Doron here has just spoken about well the head of the idea of intelligence for the second time since the start of this war claiming his responsibility for the failures saying the intelligence division under my command failed and did not live up to its most important task and that is providing a war warning also he is saying this is an inevitable war it's not an existential war the existence of the state of Israel is not at stake however this is a war on our way of existence here and he's referring to what many civilians on the Gaza border communities but also in the north are saying we will no longer live under the same threat of Hamas or Hezbollah as we did for so many years under the threat of rocket fire and as we know now under the threat of being infiltrations into the into our homes and this is what the idea is fighting for guy Israel Doron Avital a few seconds last words this frustration of this terrible failure should be translated now to clear motivation how to get the most knowledge and the intelligence required for the success of our forces Doron Avital guy Israel thank you so much as we heard from the prime minister a long war ahead and that is where we wrap up this edition of our breaking news coverage I'm Benita Naveen in Tel Aviv our rolling coverage continues shortly thank you for watching stay tuned over 1,300 people murdered and more than 3,000 injured and the war with Hamas continues we bring you firsthand testimonies from the front lines from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north get the inside scoop on what's going on only on i24 news Israel's story must reach the whole world the i24 news channel broadcasting from Israel with dozens of correspondence throughout the world brings the truth from Israel to hundreds of millions of people in scores of countries completely done down in their best by Israel the state of emergency and war bringing Israel's story to the world i24 news channels now on hot this is breaking news edition I'm Benita Naveen coming to you live from Tel Aviv it will be a long and difficult war Benjamin Netanyahu's message while offering condolences to the families of the 13 soldiers killed in Gaza during IDF operations to eliminate the Hamas terror organization the group behind the terror onslaught in southern Israel on the 7th of October in which more than 1,400 people were shot tortured and butchered earlier confirmation that another soldier from the givati unit was killed during fighting in the Gaza strip on Tuesday 2nd Lieutenant Padaya Mark now his father Rabbi Mickey Mark was killed in a shooting attack in the west bank back in 2016 earlier on Wednesday morning a rocket landing on a main highway in Ashdod in the south meters away from several cars miraculously no one was hurt inside Gaza the Hamas run health ministry saying more than 8,600 people have been killed in fighting in the enclave but these figures have not been independently verified and are believed to include those killed by Palestinian rockets that misfired and an Egyptian official saying the first ambulances carrying wounded Palestinians from the Gaza strip entered Egypt via the Rafa crossing on Wednesday dozens of foreign passport holders in Gaza are leaving the strip as the Rafa crossing to Egypt opens for the first time since the war started the agreement to open that crossing was mediated by Qatar between Egypt Israel and the Hamas terror group which controls Gaza in coordination with the United States let's listen to the latest message from the Israeli Prime Minister we're in a difficult war it will also be a long war so far we have achieved important goals but there are painful losses we know that each of our soldiers is a whole world and I say to the dear families the entire nation of Israel is with you in your time of pain unbearably difficult grief we embrace you from the bottom of our hearts our soldiers fell in a just war the war for our home and I promise you and all the citizens of Israel we will continue until we fulfill the mission we will continue until we win so for the latest on the ground we now cross live to our correspondent Pierre Klosschendler he joins us from southern Israel and sirens sounding in some communities earlier including the Rim and Schlosscher, Sufat and earlier a rocket landing on a highway in Ashdod miraculously no one was hurt talk us through the latest in the south right now well in terms of rocket fire there was a lull of 11 hours and at 11 a.m local time rocket fire started with a strong salvo targeting the southern cities of Ashkelon, Ashdod and whatever is in between in terms of localities then there was a trickle as usual of rocket fire on villages in the southern sector of the security fence on Israeli territory bordering the Gaza Strip in the central sector just 35 minutes ago and that's been the routine the routine of war for the past for the past 26 days now in terms of what we're seeing on the ground we don't see much because of the haze right now but we hear clearly the pounding of the Israeli Air Force of the artillery of the navy on the terrorist targets across the Gaza Strip but particularly in the district of the Jabalia refugee camp we've heard from Palestinian reports that a neighborhood called al-Faluja not the al-Faluja in Iraq but al-Faluja in the Jabalia district was hard hit building collapsed and with it collapsed all kind of things maybe tunnels and as we continue hearing about the IDF operation to eliminate Hamas inside the Gaza Strip very briefly the latest on threats from Iranian proxies in Yemen talk to us very briefly well Yemen has not only threatened but launched ballistic missiles with a range of 1700 kilometers because they launched those missiles north of the western coast coastal port of Hodeida in the southern tip of Yemen that means 1700 kilometer range that means Israel had to intercept those ballistic missiles with the arrow anti-missile defense system thank you so much correspondent Pierre Kloschendler live from southern Israel thank you always meanwhile a general strike has been declared across the west bank and east Jerusalem today to quote denounce the Israeli aggression in both the Gaza Strip and the west bank the IDF conducting overnight raids in the west bank arresting 46 Palestinian suspects including 30 linked to Hamas this brings to more than 1180 wanted Palestinians in the west bank taken in including some 740 affiliated with the terror group in recent weeks the Palestinian authorities health ministry saying in total 122 Palestinians have been killed in clashes with Israeli forces in the west bank since the 7th of October and now for more insight into the security situation on the ground we welcome to studio the tenant colonel in the reserves Doron Avital former commander in the special forces of the IDF and our senior editor Guy Azrael thank you both so much for being here in studio Doron I want to start with you Benjamin Netanyahu is telling the nation a long and difficult war is going to be lying ahead and it's definitely coming at a cost already your assessment of what is happening on the ground right now in the Gaza Strip I think in many respects we're in the initial stages of the campaign we have to acknowledge it and I think this is what the Bibinetta and I was trying to tell the public because the public might have thought that incursion this is it now we are only in the northern side of the Gaza and after a few days in which we established our position but now we are entering and it's a long campaign and we're talking only of the northern Gaza think after if we complete this operational stage what would be the next if we have to go south we're all most of the public we ask them to go south so a long campaign casualties unfortunately are expected and also we have to think of the window of opportunity in terms of our alliance the US if things get worse in the Gaza and also think prospect forward even question of whether when it's a long campaign campaign of months I hope this stage is a question only of weeks certainly you can feel within the country right now the sense of loss when you hear the number of soldiers already killed and as you say it's early stages in terms of what is happening in the Gaza Strip second lieutenant Padaya Mark is a name that may ring a bell because his father Rabbi Mickey Mark was killed in the West Bank in a shooting back in 2016 and people in the country will remember these names because every single life here matters and you feel the sense of the tragedy so early on and the nation is already in mourning give us an idea of the connections between the soldiers that are going in and are fighting right now and the rest of the nation watching what is unfolding I think within the forces you sense a clear sense of determination a war of no choice it's not a question of the world that we have chosen to fight and I think this clear determination and clear sense of mission applies to all our forces and you feel it everywhere even today at lunch I met a boy I was friend of the son of a friend and I was trying to tap him on the shoulder turns out he was wounded in the first day of the war fighting in the south so yeah guy adding to what Doron said here now what was very clear for all of us on the first day is how small the state of Israel is how each and every one of us is connected in some way to someone who was killed kidnapped or is missing in in those findings and as you were talking about Dea Mark well this is a story that we covered here on i24 news in 2016 Dea himself was seriously wounded in that terror attack his cousin was killed on the first day as he went to battle to save Israeli civilians on those communities and Dea did not want to go to the funeral he said he will continue to fight for his for his country for his people and I think what this really emphasizes is how this war really brings together all parts of the Israeli society we're seeing in this case settlers from the west bank we're seeing so many of the kibbutz community the the moshaves and the communities are on on the border people who are secular religious from all walks of life and I think at this time and it's very sad that it's happening under these circumstances everyone is united with the one goal of of winning here because people understand that they are fighting for their lives for the lives of their families and then there are no there's no more room for disagreements obviously there will be always political disagreements but it is a sort of war in which everyone understands that he is fighting for the safety of his own family of his nation regardless of where he is from and this is what we're seeing these days we're going to discuss more of this in just a few moments but right now let's go up north our correspondent Mary McCullough is in northern Israel close to the border with Lebanon and obviously Mary concerns remain around the next potential moves out of Hassan Nasrallah we know he is going to be speaking making a public address in the coming days but what is the latest up where you are what can you tell us this hour? Absolutely Vanitas we are all everybody here in the region very much waiting on the anxious breath to see what Hassan Nasrallah has to say in that Friday broadcast he's been fairly quiet since this war broke out that's not to say we haven't had statements coming out from Iran we've had many statements over the past three weeks continuing to warn Israel against what it calls its aggression in Gaza warning that if the operation does not end that there will be serious consequences that last message is the most recent one who came from the Iranian foreign minister who's currently now meeting with Turkish officials in Istanbul and in Ankara so that's the message they have now but they're not specifying exactly what those consequences are going to be and we have heard these warnings really since the beginning of this war obviously Israel has pushed forward with its operation in Gaza and we haven't seen any serious escalation on the northern border we've had numerous different strikes on American troops and other facilities throughout Syria a rock in the Red Sea as well as of course a concerning development of the Houthis also declaring war on Israel but here with Hezbollah it seems the same calculation that we've been seeing for weeks which is firing anti-tank missiles into Israeli territory targeting both Israeli military infrastructure and troop station on the border as well as civilian areas that's what we saw a couple days ago and then Israel retaliating with a number of strikes the IDF said about an hour ago it had once again attacked the cell that was trying to launch an anti-tank missile to two IDF bases on this border we're also hearing reports from inside southern Lebanon that there were Israeli strikes that were ongoing in an area at El Shub we don't have any confirmation from the Israeli military about what exactly those strikes were what the nature of them were what exactly their target were or any casualties that have come out the IDF though did say there were no casualties on the Israeli side from the attempted attacks and the anti-tank attacks earlier today and Mary as we see these regional tensions escalating Iraqi militias vowing to escalate the situation we were discussing earlier in the broadcast about the Iranian proxies in Yemen as well give us an understanding of the lay of the land so to speak in the north many communities have been evacuated give us a sense of how many people are actually staying quite close to the border where you are at the moment there have been tens of thousands who have been evacuated both on the Israeli side of the border but also on the Lebanese side of the border as we continue to see this cross-border attacks here in Israel been touring or at least trying to tour some of these northern communities who are lying within four kilometers of the border because that's the area the IDF last week evacuated all from that was adding an additional communities to that list of those who had to evacuate it's a very small contingency of their population who are still remaining on the ground here most of them are saying it's not so it's private military inside the kibbutz people who simply live there and the kibbutz are mashav and wanted to stay and try and help protect from infiltrations we visited one community earlier today who said is they actually had a suspected infiltration attempt yesterday we don't have any confirmation from the Israeli military we tried to reach out to get a comment and we did not hear back but clearly this is ongoing and many of these residents here on the north are on a high alert we certainly feel that with our teams here having to move from location to location the military is heavily guarding this area and making sure trying to protect everybody in this vicinity but also it's troops who are very heavily actively evolved and very clearly on watch here actively seen it has wasn't take this to another step as the operation down south continues you stay safe please corresponded mary micaliff live from northern israel thank you mary and still with me in studio doron avital and gai israel and doron your take on what we just heard from mary on the ground up north for so long now in this war and it's nearly four weeks coming up we've spoken about the threat potential threat out of hezbollah and hasa nazrallah your sense of that threat right now as we see developments out of yemen and iraq as well all at the same time nobody can foresee the future but i think in terms of our strategy in the northern border it proved itself we stabilize the border we exchange with hezbollah and he pays dearly for every provocation that he makes i think 50 hezbollah warrior soldiers got killed by by now so i think there's a sense of competency and control in the in the northern border but a very a tensed anticipation to see whether this is going to break and i think we'll all rule we're going to wait for nasrallah speech on friday i wonder what he would say because i don't think he wants now to open a new front with us with the american deterrence in the in the terrenia and with the fact that we are all sits very well in the northern border and the forces are allocated and we are waiting for the first mistake that he will make so in this respect this is the northern border but you mentioned the other fronts the shia militia in syria that uh and we attack from time to time and of course those the yemen i decided to open a front with us this was the first for the our arrow our operational anti missile and our first success and it did its job it did its job it's amazing outside of the atmosphere we salute the aerial industry and the israeli army for such a success cynical attempt to hurt a lot where all the people that were evacuated are there but strange but i think they'll pay the they'll pay their dude in the in the future right now there's we don't want to open a front but we are waiting there so i think three major fronts as you said the south of course where we fight west bank the north and those two fronts in syria and yemen quite alarming to think that this is all happening at the same time we joke about it yes the idea of also sending naval boats there to the area very lot for further deterrence for that threat as for what's happening in the gaza strip idea forces are upping their pressure on hamas particularly in gaza city surrounding the city from all fronts basically from the north south east and also from the west from the sea with its naval forces and we're talking about the amount of casualties that the idea has suffered yesterday 13 already been approved publication unfortunately 13 fallen soldiers and that is because the idea is engaged in battle on the ground in a very complicated surrounding the wrong here knows better than all of us what that means in very narrow streets in the home turf of hamas with many unpleasant surprises that they could have for them including explosives and the threat of anti tank missiles the same threat that we saw from hezbollah in the north that was a main source of casualties yesterday these cornet russian made missiles that are both very accurate and very deadly especially on stationary targets these are some of the many threats that the idea forces are facing there on the in the gaza strip they are all very well aware of it and i think nonetheless the soldiers are very determined to achieve this goal in protecting their brothers as a veteran of the root of 82 and fighting the PLO i must tell you that this landscape is even much more difficult to operate in the gaza strip in the way they really fortified it we've on this infrastructure under underneath the city so it's a big challenge and big challenge any urban welfare is a challenge but this one explicitly and i think the army is prepared but it's going to be tough and of course we will be talking a little bit later about the fact that there are 240 hostages somewhere in tunnels dispersed across the enclave and obviously complicating that operation as we speak we will be talking about that shortly but first tens of thousands of targets valuable information flowing from the interrogation room to the troops on the ground that we're discussing right now more in this next report from channel 12 news let's take a look thousands of tons of explosives have been used on the gaza strip in the past three and a half weeks as the fighting progressed many new targets were added to the idf intelligence target bank in most cases the information comes from here from the shin betz interrogation rooms hundreds of people some of the members of hamas who possess a lot of information were caught on that black saturday a great deal of critical essential and lifesaving information came from these investigations information that also serves the army right now sometimes you get information from the interrogated and within an hour a target is marked these are the faces of the killers on october the 7th but they also hold a lot of information that may save lives from the moment they were caught a race against time began interrogating a prisoner during a war is like a ticking time bomb since any sliver of information during war can save lives and that can affect the outcome of the battle or even the outcome of a battle in specific terrain for the investigator there's no time to sit around and to conduct an interview that might take days or even weeks the time element is critical and it's being treated appropriately each person when they're interrogated there's some kind of basic information about him or the unit he works in or the organization or the area he's working in he's not being interrogated blindly it can be confirmed by cross-checking everything he says with what we know and also according to what other prisoners are saying and here the shin bet speciality comes into play they sit in front of those that a minute ago murdered burned and may be raped and now they need to make them sing mentally break them in some cases there's a problem with identifying the people not knowing who they are those are people who were taught to hide their identity some terrorists when caught started singing almost immediately with no threats made by the shin bet it's not what it looks like in the movies these interrogations are held by law i would say that applying physical pressure won't necessarily bring the results needed no one just gives all the information they have especially not voluntarily you need to produce it in interrogations there's a saying that if a lemon was smart it would give up all of its juice without being squeezed same goes for the interrogated they don't always give you everything and if they need a squeeze you must squeeze them most of the investigations are a chess game between the investigator and the interrogator the investigation is very manipulative and very psychological the investigators are excellent at reading body language and they can read the person being questioned they can tell what his movements mean what a hand movement means and what a drop of sweat but some cases are exceptional on the first days of the war a video was circulating on social media where terrorists were forced to listen to an israeli children's song over and over again for hours this was deliberate playing loud music in interrogations is so they can't talk to each other on one hand and on the other hand it's to not let them become relaxed and but to be in a state of constant stress for the upcoming investigation the investigators saw the videos of the horrible crimes committed now they need to investigate the same people who did it sitting in front of a person when you know exactly what he did and then you now need to emotionally disconnect yourself from the situation you now need to get into the zone of analyst investigator to look a person in the eye disconnect and interrogate sitting in front of a murderer and if he asks for a cigarette or a cup of coffee so he can confess and you know it can help with the confession you'll give him a cigarette and coffee and if now what works on him is the nice and warm character of the investigator or maybe the ability of the investigator to connect to something very personal or the investigator needs to do it to get a good confession even if inside he's in an emotional storm as time goes by and the war continues the number of interrogated gardens will grow and with it new quality of information will be produced to help win the war fascinating and disturbing report or on avital one can't help but be struck when one sees these suspects these terrorists being interrogated how unemotional and stoical they are give us an understanding of how important it is the information that was gleaned from them how it's helping what is unfolding right now inside Gaza exactly this is the point we have to be very clearheaded about it we need this intelligent to be introduced immediately and injected to the troops in the battlefield in the venues of winning against humas and in the in the aspect of the hostages so we have to be very clearheaded no emotions we want to get in this knowledge and to deduce it the fastest into what we call the operational loop in other words the forces on the ground the air force the artillery whatever we can aim and the intelligence introduced in the right moment we can get result and we had one such result with the rescue of the the woman's soldier that we had unfortunately we didn't have more of them more of those opportunities yet we have to admit we're the terrible intelligence blackout in the first few days and we are not talking about the digital the communication blackout but also in terms of the human and right now we have a lot of unfortunately those terrorists that we can interrogate and get the knowledge from this knowledge it can be critical to our success in the operation still so many questions about those massive intelligence failures obviously those will be investigated after the war guy more information as well on the intelligence front yeah well referring to what doron here has just spoken about well the head of the idea of intelligence for the second time since the start of this war claiming his responsibility for the failures saying the intelligence division under my command failed and did not live up to its most important task and that is providing a war warning also he is saying this is an inevitable war it's not an existential war the existence of the state of Israel is not at stake however this is a war on our way of existence here and he's referring to what many civilians on the Gaza border communities but also in the north are saying we will no longer live under the same threat of Hamas or Hezbollah as we did for so many years under the threat of rocket fire and as we know now under the threat of being infiltrations into the into our homes and this is what the idea is fighting for guy Israel Doron Avital a few seconds last words it's really this frustration of this terrible failure should be translated now to clear motivation how to get the most knowledge and the intelligence required for the success of our forces Doron Avital Guy Israel thank you so much as we heard from the prime minister a long war ahead and that is where we ramp up this edition of our breaking news coverage I'm beneath intervene in Tel Aviv our rolling coverage continues shortly thank you for watching stay tuned Israel is officially in a state of war this is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking within a hundred soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped we just don't know anything entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity king news edition I'm Vanessa Levine coming to you live from Tel Aviv it will be a long and difficult war Benjamin Netanyahu's message while offering condolences to the families of the 14 soldiers killed in Gaza during IDF operations to eliminate the Hamas terror organization the group behind the terror onslaught in southern Israel on the 7th of October in which more than 1,400 people were shot tortured and butchered siren sounding in Mosheh Stuller in the north just a short while ago will go there live for an update very shortly earlier confirmation that another soldier from the givati unit was killed during fighting in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday second lieutenant for Dyer Mark now his father Rabbi Mickey Mark was killed in a shooting attack in the west bank in 2016 inside Gaza itself the Hamas run health ministry saying more than 8600 people have been killed in fighting in the enclave but these figures have not been independently verified and right now as we are speaking rocket sirens are sounding here in Tel Aviv breaking news just in sirens are sounding in Tel Aviv right now you will be able to see colleagues from the newsroom are running to shelters right now sirens sounding alerting people across parts of Tel Aviv that rockets are heading towards residential areas once again and those sirens are sounding across parts of central Israel as we speak also Ashdod in the northern industrial zone right now you will have known if you've been watching the channel people in this part of the world have alerts on their phones as well alerting them as to when they need to get to a shelter and those have just gone off on our phones indicating once again that sirens are sounding here in parts of Tel Aviv with me staying in studio and agreeing to do so Yakov Lapin military and strategic affairs analyst at the Jewish New Syndicate and military and strategic affairs analyst at the Miriam Institute and our senior editor guy Israel guy we've seen this unfold before we can hear it over our heads right now we can hear the explosions perhaps the interceptions those are very clearly interceptions we can hear it from inside the studio now interceptions from the iron dome missile defense multiple explosions over our heads so rocket alert sirens sounding in the cities of Tel Aviv give a time I'm at the gun all of central Israel including Rishon let's see on sending millions millions of Israelis to shelters right now these are live images on our screen right now rocket alert sirens sounding in central Israel you are looking at live images and those noises guy was talking about just seconds ago interceptions the iron dome missile defense system guy continue it really emphasizes what the Israel what the idea is fighting for not just that deadly massacre that terrible tragedy on October 7th but also the ongoing rocket fire from this terror group of Hamas for the past 20 years into Israeli communities and not just on the border this is something that Israel for a long time has turned a blind eye to allowed this threat to continue with the fact that Israel does have the iron dome system to protect its civilians it's not 100% accurate and we have seen multiple heads on Israeli communities over the past 25 days since the start of this war but this is something that has been ongoing millions of Israelis are being terrorized by Hamas having to run to shelter now we're fearing for their lives Yakov Lapin this is something unfortunately the country is all too used to and people in this part central parts have a lot longer to get to shelters than people close to the border yes and you know I think you know we're seeing Hamas basically throw everything that it's got into this war it has been holding on to these longer range projectiles and rockets some of them which have larger warheads exactly for this phase of the war for the lengthy drawn out ground offensive and for it terrorizing the people of central Israel I would say I would dare say that I think I'm recognizing a growing level of resilience amongst many Israeli civilians people are as tragic and terrible as it is people are getting used to these sirens as part of their daily routine and they're starting to learn to manage it so if Hamas thinks that this is going to be the thing that breaks the Israeli spirit they seem to be very very wrong about that but certainly people shouldn't be getting used to it because other countries who may be watching if you're watching right now from abroad imagine right now that sirens are sounding alerting you to not only get to a shelter but to make sure that your loved ones perhaps elderly relatives perhaps babies perhaps somebody in your home is sleeping and you need to wake them and get to a shelter this is not normal the fact that it happens with increasing regularity doesn't make it normal it's not normal in any way but there is a sort of blitz spirit that I at least can see in society here and the fact that now the war cabinet has made the decision to destroy Hamas militarily and its political regime means that everything that can be done against the threat is being done we're not going back to another round another ceasefire so they can rebuild and I think that changes the whole paradigm it changes the way these rockets are even perceived as the last time that the Israeli people will have to face this kind of firepower from the Gaza Strip. Yaakov guys stay with us right now let's go up north our correspondent Robert Swift is in northern Israel and Robert sirens were sounding in Moshev Stuller in the north just a short while ago what is the latest there close to the border with Lebanon what can you tell us so this took place about 30 minutes ago Stuller itself is right on the border at the minute the the only information that we have is that this is rocket warning siren now it's worth noting that if if there is an attack whether it be an anti-tank or an anti-tank missile or whether it be a mortar or rocket it's the same alarm that is sounded so for the residents of that community they they're not exactly aware of what the specific threat is all they know is that they need to get into their shelters for the time being now Stuller itself is like right on the border opposite it there is a Lebanese village and that is one of the reasons why that community Stuller has been targeted in the past in recent days even by a number of anti-tank attacks so while we don't have any confirmation of what this attack specifically is there's a good chance that it is yet another anti-tank attack which is something that we've seen very frequently throughout the recent weeks and is one of the more dangerous attacks that can take place here in the north and it'll show me a clue rocket fire sent from the Gaza Strip towards central parts of Israel once again and those siren sounding you could see people from our newsroom going through to shelters and getting there as soon as possible and very shortly after that we heard about the studios here the interceptions the iron dome missile defense system intercepting that rocket fire in central parts of Israel let's talk about the Hezbollah threat over and above Hamas let's pick up on that discussion Hassan Nasrallah speaks on Friday afternoon what is he likely to say what are the concerns I think you know the most important thing is what Hezbollah does and obviously Nasrallah is going to be talking to his Shiite Lebanese base in southern Lebanon he's going to be messaging them and trying to prove that he's shown solidarity with Hamas and Gaza but the real question is what are they going to do as I was just saying earlier that's the elephant in the room the strategic paradox that Hezbollah is in on the one hand it's facing increasing pressure to join this war and on the other hand it may decide that the timing is not right for it so it has to make this decision together with the Iranians Hezbollah's arsenal is many many times more deadly sophisticated larger than that of Hamas particularly their precision sorry guided missiles those missiles are very dangerous because they can be used to target strategic sensitive sites in the state of Israel and therefore there is a real problem here about you know whether Hezbollah will decide to launch a first mass strike with these precision guided missiles we have to be aware of that danger and I'm sure the Israeli intelligence community and defense establishment is focused on that danger and trying to see if it can see any signals of that you know if that's about to happen that's the main danger of this war going forward is a some sort of first strike by Hezbollah using those pgms on sensitive Israeli sites and you know that's the decision that Hassan Asrallah is going to be making in the coming days certainly major concerns across the region right now we will continue with this discussion shortly right now let's go to our senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev he joins us from southern Israel so Jonathan siren sounding earlier in several southern communities what update can you share where you are right now well the latest sirens actually sounded where you are benita in central Israel but but it is it is true there were sirens here in southern communities through the morning not a lot we have to say certainly less than what we've seen a week or two weeks ago but still sirens are sounding Hamas terrorists are well aware that a lot of forces are here in the area waiting also to go in if if the the ground operation still expands the communities we have to say are quite empty both as they wrote which is behind me the biggest city right on the Gaza border itself roughly 90 percent of the people are gone the border communities themselves are also practically empty apart from soldiers and this is a situation right here every now and then a few rockets fired to the communities in the area but i think Hamas is well aware that that this is more than a harassment rather than a to to cause real damage since these communities are practically empty and Jonathan talk to us about this IDF operation to eliminate Hamas continuing as we speak inside the Gaza Strip it is coming at a cost what is the latest you can share right now that is true first no one had the no no one in the Israeli defense establishment had the illusion that this will go that this will end without casualties on the Israeli side this perhaps prevented prevented a major Israeli operation through the years the fear of the cost of life but now there's no other choice we're speaking so far 15 Israeli soldiers killed since the ground operation began all these these victims these deaths coming especially in the last 24 to 36 hours this is a difficult operation inside the Gaza Strip Hamas is well entrenched under the ground there's not so much confrontations a fire exchange in confrontations but Hamas terrorists coming from coming from tunnels shooting usually anti-tank rockets or everything like that at IDF vehicles soldiers on the ground and going back to the tunnels and it is quite quite a heavy heavy fight inside and yes Hamas is losing tens maybe even hundreds of terrorists but their their casualties on the Israeli side as well and Jonathan talk to us about the perspective out of a light in the south the latest on the threats from Iranian proxies inside Yemen that took many by surprise in recent days what is the latest on that front in a light in the south of the country the who or speaking of Yemen but basically Yemen is as the Houthis there are nothing other than than Iranian proxies this is this is Iranian territory away from Iran and Iran is running all this all the show but doesn't want to be physically damaged itself therefore the rockets are not fired from Iran but from Lebanon from Syria from Yemen Iran Iran is running the show but making sure that the footsteps are not traced at least physically to Iran itself and that is why there's no direct fire Israeli or American towards Iran but towards Lebanon Syria and Yemen is one of those Iranian proxies that is shooting mostly UAVs towards Israel towards the southern coast of Israel towards Elat senior defense correspondent Jonathan reggae live from southern Israel thank you for that update more to come from Jonathan of course in the coming hours and still in studio Yaakov Lapin and Guy Azrael and Yaakov I want to pick up firstly on the fact that our newsroom has returned people are out of the shelters right now that time has elapsed and the all-clear has been given for people to get back into their offices and their homes wherever they have may have been before the sirens went off but I want to pick up on what we were talking about earlier and what we heard from Jonathan reggae and that is the threats coming from a whole range of parts at the same time Lebanon the West Bank Gaza and Yemen all at the same time break it down how Iran is pulling the strings here with its different proxies this is the multi arena threat that Iran has been building together with those proxies for years and the concept is actually relatively simple you identify a population that is not living under a place of strong sovereignty you or it's under a terrorist regime that's already Islamist one or the other I mean and the Iranian start funneling millions of dollars and weapons advanced weapons of every imaginable kind and building fire bases a ring of fire around the state of Israel they've done it in the Gaza Strip we're dealing with the consequences of that now they've done it in Lebanon that's their most that's the flagship Iranian proxy that's the one to watch they try to do it in Syria much less success because of this 10 year shadow war that Israel has been launching there and that I think gives us a clue about the future how we manage these arenas that when Israel mows the grass so to speak and cuts down these capabilities before they turn into a monster then the arena is actually controllable and Syria is far more controllable than Syria or Gaza and they've tried to do it in the West Bank as well but the military is very present there so limited success so the ones to watch really right now is the Hezbollah Lebanon arena that's the most important thing and Iran itself has the Middle East's largest missile arsenal and as Jonathan correctly noted they don't like fighting wars directly they'll fight until the last Palestinian or into the last Lebanese they prefer proxy warfare but you know perhaps that needs to be rethought to in this age of a new paradigm why should Iran be able to activate all these proxies and keep its hands clean and its terror regime in Tehran safe that's another question I think that both American and Israeli decision makers will have to ask themselves Yakov I want to speak about something that is so close to the heart of Israelis right now the concerns around the fate of the 240 hostages still being held by the terror group while this operation unfolds inside the Gaza Strip we're seeing the pictures of the tunnels we're seeing the rocket fire still coming out as this all unfolds and yet we wait for word on whether these people elderly babies women men peace activists are going to get to come home and do that safely how is what is unfolding on the ground in the Gaza Strip the fighting right now how is it being impacted by those hostages and where they are being held I think it's impacting many aspects of the ground offensive and the air campaign the attempt first of all to avoid fighting where the defense establishment will assume that they're being held is critical keeping firepower and combat away from those areas and in addition at the same time tightening the screws on Hamas every day we're seeing more and more forces moving towards Hamas's center of gravity which is Gaza city in northern and northern Gaza and and it's this delicate sort of you know balancing act that Israel is playing here which is it's putting more and more pressure destroying more and more Hamas military capabilities keeping its firepower away from the hostages and telling Hamas if you think time is on your side you're wrong if you think that this hostage this terrible unimaginable hostage situation is going to destroy Israel's momentum moving forward you are wrong nothing will stop Israel's momentum and that is the very difficult strategic situation that Israel is in stay with us gentlemen we're going to discuss more right now though tens of thousands of targets exist valuable information flowing from the interrogation room to the troops on the ground more in this next report from channel 12 news thousands of tons of explosives have been used on the Gaza Strip in the past three and a half weeks as the fighting progressed many new targets were added to the IDF intelligence target bank in most cases the information comes from here from the Shin Betz interrogation rooms hundreds of people some of the members of Hamas who possess a lot of information were caught on that black saturday a great deal of critical essential and lifesaving information came from these investigations information that also serves the army right now sometimes you get information from the interrogated and within an hour a target is marked these are the faces of the killers on october the 7th but they also hold a lot of information that may save lives from the moment they were caught a race against time began interrogating a prisoner during a war is like a ticking time bomb since any sliver of information during war can save lives and that can affect the outcome of the battle or even the outcome of a battle in specific terrain for the investigator there's no time to sit around and to conduct an interview that might take days or even weeks the time element is critical and it's being treated appropriately each person when they're interrogated there's some kind of basic information about him or the unit he works in or the organization or the area he's working in he's not being interrogated blindly it can be confirmed by cross-checking everything he says with what we know and also according to what other prisoners are saying and here the shinbet speciality comes into play they sit in front of those that a minute ago murdered burned and may be raped and now they need to make them sing mentally break them in some cases there's a problem with identifying the people not knowing who they are those are people who were taught to hide their identity some terrorists when caught started singing almost immediately with no threats made by the shinbet it's not what it looks like in the movies these interrogations are held by law i would say that applying physical pressure won't necessarily bring the results needed no one just gives all the information they have especially not voluntarily you need to produce it in interrogations there's a saying that if a lemon was smart it would give up all of its juice without being squeezed saying goes further interrogated they don't always give you everything and if they need a squeeze you must squeeze them most of the investigations are a chess game between the investigator and the interrogator the investigation is very manipulative and very psychological the investigators are excellent at reading body language and they can read the person being questioned they can tell what his movements mean what a hand movement means and what a drop of sweat means but some cases are exceptional on the first days of the war a video was circulating on social media where terrorists were forced to listen to an israeli children song over and over again for hours this was deliberate playing loud music and interrogations is so they can't talk to each other on one hand and on the other hand it's to not let them become relaxed and calm but to be in a state of constant stress for the upcoming investigation the investigators saw the videos of the horrible crimes committed now they need to investigate the same people who did it sitting in front of a person when you know exactly what he did and then you now need to emotionally disconnect yourself from the situation you now need to get into the zone of analyst investigator to look a person in the eye disconnect and interrogate sitting in front of a murderer and if he asks for a cigarette or a cup of coffee so he can confess and you know it can help with the confession you'll give him a cigarette and coffee and if now what works on him is the nice and warm character of the investigator or maybe the ability of the investigator to connect to something very personal or the investigator needs to do it to get a good confession even if inside he's in an emotional storm as time goes by and the war continues the number of interrogated gardens will grow and with it new quality of information will be produced to help win the war if you're just joining us now siren sounding in central parts of Tel Aviv around 20 minutes ago or so we have updates right now from our guy israel with the latest right so no word on any injuries or major damage but we are getting some images of a possible hit of one of these rockets near the city of russia and we've seen a barrage of rockets all through central israel including Tel Aviv and all neighboring cities here millions of people had to rush to shelter we heard several interceptions just over our heads from this barrage so for now at least no israelis injured in this barrage but millions had to rush to shelter and in another serious development diplomatic development Jordan has just announced it is recalling its ambassador back to Amanan statements from the Jordanian foreign ministry is referring to what they say is rejecting and condemning the raging Israeli war which is killing innocent people causing an unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe and carries dangerous possibilities for the expansion and the security of the entire region Jordan not really showing a lot of solidarity Jordan of course that signed a peace accord with Israel back in the 90s not showing a lot of solidarity with Israel as its faces this threat of Hamas and it really alludes to the fact that so many of these Arab nations were very vocal about the threat of Hamas prior to this war from all across the Arab world but since the start of this war since this slaughter of Jews since the biggest slaughter of Jews since the second world war since their holocaust one of the many disappointing reactions we're seeing from the Arab world especially from those who were supposed to be considered Israel's greatest allies and obviously Jordan is no stranger to the complexities of of this situation Jordan knows very well how Israel for so many years has turned a blind eye to the threat of Hamas to the rocket fire and to what has happened on October 7th yeah of your thoughts on exactly that the moves out of Jordan right now look the Hashemite kingdom has a problem behind the scenes it is a security partner and a strategic partner to the state of Israel within Jordan the population is deeply hostile and filled with incitement and propaganda against the state of Israel and this is a population that's 60 or 70 depending on which report you read is Palestinian Jordanian to begin with so the Hashemite kingdom is trying to find a way to and essentially get through this war without experiencing serious domestic trouble now I think everything that guy said is absolutely correct regarding the disappointment in Israel and we should be disappointed we have every right to expect better statements from the Jordanian kingdom but I also think that both Jordan and Egypt have a real problem regarding the potential of this conflict to spark domestic instability in their countries and I think that explains a lot of what these governments are doing and as we're speaking an update coming through from the IDF a third one and now have confirmation from the IDF that 15 soldiers had been killed in Gaza since the start of the ground operation we have just a few seconds left this is very close to home for people across the country guy yes and we're seeing this this was expected obviously the Israeli troops are in very complicated areas there as they make their incursion into Gaza into Gaza City applying pressure from all sides on Hamas and these are the said results unfortunately of this ground operation so far guy Israel Yarkov Lapham thank you very much for your updates and that is where we wrap up this breaking news coverage I'm Benita Levine in Tel Aviv our coverage continues stay tuned Israel is at war make an investment in Israel it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel visit israelbonds.com and invest now 100 Israelis kidnapped by Hamas into Gaza range in age from infants to the elderly and we've seen pictures of some of these elderly elderly women being dragged into the Gaza Strip among them is Adina Mosheh who was last seen being spirited away from Kibbutz near Oz by terrorists on the back of a motorcycle after they had attacked the Kibbutz and murdered her husband Mosheh well joining us now is her grandson Gyal Raka and he joins us from the town of Haifa Gyal tell us a little about tell us about your grandparents they are very wonderful people they they lived in in heroes for over 50 years my grandfather lost his brother on the Yom Kippur war um my grandma was the caretaker for every all the kids in the Kibbutz and always was happy to help to anyone was we need any help until Saturday when Hamas invaded the Kibbutz where they were locked in the Mamad my grandma got a call from a neighbor grandson she was calling her because she saw on facebook uh the dead body of her grandma that was shot by the the terrorist took her and killed her after that they came to her their house where they tried to open the mamad my grandfather held it as best they can and they couldn't get inside so the tarai from the window where they shot him and killed him and then kidnapped her and and then set the place on fire while looting everything they had burning everything to the ground with everything ruined taking more and more and more people from heroes killing so many and we learned only after that from the video that that she's in Gaza we hope she's okay but we don't know no one tells us anything and now the first thing we want is for her to get her medicine she's a sick woman she has a heart monitor and she needs her medicine daily because she wouldn't want to survive if she won't get it we try to talk to everyone can but until now no one actually talked to us back just some like DNA testing and something like that but nothing more than that right yeah just hearing you talk it's almost it's unimaginable i'm i'm it's just something unimaginable what you're going through and terrible how old is is your is your grandma your grandmother she's 17 terrible unbelievable have the authorities been in touch with you the Israeli authorities we know they've been slow to act but a gale harsh has been appointed as a coordinator have has anyone been in contact with you yet uh from the from the authorities with me no personally but with i think with my arm goes in an arms but i think nothing really like substantial like we don't really still know anything we just collected the some data like id and stuff like that but nothing more than that we still know nothing we have no clue what happened to her where exactly is she in Gaza right we know nothing we just in the dark uh gal this you know we're an international channel so i want to give you the forum to speak outside of Israel to people are watching abroad and people maybe from governments and start what your message to them today is in dealing with the situation with your grandmother being held hostage help us you want to know where she is we want to take care of her we want her to have the medicine and we want to get her back that's the first priority want to get her have to get her back she's she's not sick she's sick and we miss her we really want her back she she has almost no value for them please give them back so so then so after we like we were found out the whole tragedy i really looked into it looked into it i went to visit my brother's girlfriend in the hospital and i spoke to the guy who was with them the whole time and saw everything in his eyes um actually so the story goes like this they were at a party now the nature party they're having good time and all of a sudden there was missiles and first they weren't even sure what was going on they thought it was just like fireworks they weren't even sure what was happening and everyone was just having a time and slowly but surely they realized that it's missiles from Gaza and people started like getting a little some people you know some people in Israel they're used to it so they'll take it easy some people will freak out some people leave some people will stay the number other was the kind of guy who never never nothing nothing ever really got to him everything was always like pick it easy it's all good you know everything's gonna be all right and that's really how he was big hero in this whole story and uh and they started they started leaving the party and uh and he was like don't worry kept on telling his girlfriend don't worry everything's gonna be fine we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna leave we're gonna go and then they realized that there's actually um there's actually terrorists in the party shooting down people and they hear their gun shots and and people still are not sure what's going on because even the terrorists that were there they came on on Israeli uniform Israeli Israeli military uniform and and I can imagine how that is for people who want to come to help and they start shooting at them I mean it's not it's crazy and uh so so so actually so they get they start running they start they start running and then they they with my brother told his girlfriend lie down on the floor and put your hands on your head and just wait here until until it's like calms down a bit and then we'll keep going and that's that's what they did and they they kept on running and they got to this uh this dumpster this big uh big uh like it's a big metal dumpster and there was two of them and they saw a bunch of people go into one of them and they decided to go into the second one and um and they went into the dumpster and they were there for about four hours four five four and a half hours and the whole time David was like telling everyone don't worry he was the one who was like okay let's go into the second one the dumpster he was helping people the whole time he was really being like his girlfriend said that he was just such a hero and he was completely calm the whole time and uh he was really really just a big hero there and and what happened that after that is they were in the dumpster for hours and they started hearing uh arabic talking and then gunshots everywhere and alawakba alawakba and um that's what was going on for like a good like hour or so or and they were freaking out but he was really the whole time he was just telling everyone don't worry just keep quiet they're coming to get us and my brother at this time actually sent one of my good one of our good friends he sent him a message uh saying help help help and uh he started like he didn't really know how to explain it he just said you don't understand what's going on here i need your help and slowly he already understood by himself he sent him the location of where he was and um and and then and then his phone ran out of battery and my friend didn't hear from him anymore my friend is connected to the army he's very high up so he decided he he he he spoke to everyone and as much people as he could to get to on that location and uh they were supposed to get there as soon as possible and at this time my brother was the people people were the people in this dumpster were actually hiding underneath underneath garbage bags on on top of each other just like hoping for their lives like really hoping that there's any anyway and um and at a certain point the terrorists just walked up in front of my brother my brother was always on top he went he didn't want to hide he was like making sure that that everyone's okay and he he was like i was just telling them don't worry we're gonna get out of it he was always checking to see what's happening and then he was and he would bend down and he would look up for a second and then at a second the terrorists just showed up in front of him and he like got up for a second and he just before he could have done anything he just shot him and he killed him and uh and there were about 10 and someone told me 10 some and the guy who was with them told me 10 and my brother's girlfriend told me 16 it's about i'd say 10 to 16 people were in there and only four came out alive and one of them is my brother's girlfriend and she's uh she got shot and she's now recovering in the hospital so daniel and norm went to the festival of peace and love in the south district in israel they went with thousands of kids to celebrate life to celebrate love on saturday morning they were attacked and murdered and slaughtered and raped and burned by the islamic jihad by the hamas and by the civilians of gaza you know daniel was born in california in the united states she was the happiest kid ever and everybody really loved and she grew up as an amazing young girl and woman who everybody loved and she loved everybody no i'm grew here in israel and is a real man they met in the army and have planned to spend all of the lives together yes we have found i went down south with my friend this slide ziv and we have found the car that they were in what happened they were in the music festival and i guess missile starts hitting the location there are a group of seven kids that fled with their cars norm and daniel fell with their friends turned south and i've seen a tract with three terrorists up north coming and we've saw the trails of at least three kalashnikov guns from the back of the car ripping the car and two at least one came with a motorcycle from the front and we've seen the vicious inhuman attack of four or five kids that were in the car that had no chance to defend themselves they have done nothing to hurt anyone except to come and celebrate life and love and peace we're talking a lot in the abstract perhaps but i mean it is an absolute unthinkable nightmare for any human being to have your family members taken by terrorists into enemy territory and in some cases in the last few days i must have taken entire families many many israelis are suffering that agony right now one of them i'm very sad to say sharon calderon sharon's cousin or fair was taken along with his 11-year-old son eres his 16-year-old daughter sar and the children's grandmother carnella another cousin noia was also taken it's it's very hard sharon i'm so sorry this has happened to you can you can you tell us a bit about your family and what happened last saturday uh we woke up about six thirty in the morning and we have a lot of alarms we live next to the gas stream and the alarm tells us to get into a safe place because we have there is bombs so we got into the safe uh safe place and then the terror attacks started we had in our village uh all of was full of terrorists that was shouting and were shooting and killing and just destroy everything and get into houses and knocking on our doors and windows and yelling that i'm here to kill you we'll never see a light a daylight again and we were like this 24 hours almost 24 hours in our next village the offer live with his daughter and his son daughter sar and his son eres and the terrorists got into their house and then they decided to go out through the window and run away at eight thirty in the morning we got their last visit for them that they hide in the bushes and they're very afraid and the terrorist is very close to them and since then we didn't hear anything from them we don't know anything if they're okay if they're not there like we just heard this report you know hearing the rockets overhead we need to become clear that this was something different something unusual something much more dangerous so when the first place we thought it was like only on the missiles like we like there was sunrise the music was really good and then we look back and we saw dozens of missile above above our head everyone were trying to escape we got into the car uh me my friend tried to go to the side of bery and then like we drove there and then we heard shooting like a machine guns and then everyone turned around to the other side the same events happened on the other side I still thought it was only like two terror attacks and not as big as it was after everyone ran away to the fields we abandoned the car and everything we had only like it took the backpack they had already and ran away we tried to hide from from the bombs first because we didn't thought that that that there were the terror attack was that massive and people were running to the other side and then after a minute they got back screaming because we heard gunshots from from their side as well so you decided at one point to get out of the car that it was safer to go on foot to just run off basically into the desert it was like a traffic like all the traffic stops because of the that's many people uh we went away uh like we went away for six hours 15 kilometers to the east side we needed to hide uh uh like I would hide I hid it in the bush for an hour uh because there were a shotting above my above my head at that time I stayed with one friend that we saved each other's life like when we were hiding in the bush I had like an eyelash that fell on my fell on my uh on my cheek and he asked me this is a good time for me to pray and make him and make a wish I prayed for my life and for him and I still have many friends that didn't go back and then they'll always be back we want to turn now to Yossi Landau commander of Zaka the Hebrew acronym for disaster victim identification this rescue and recovery organization the organization of angels largely made up by volunteers Mr. Landau you've been doing this most difficult job for over three decades now you have seen things right let's put it that way but what you have seen in recent days eyesight can't even see really you know I just saw the pictures yeah that you posted it and it took me a back flash from two days ago and it's only a drop but what what do you saw could you share with us sir um some of what you've you've been seeing in recent days as you said I'm more than three decades doing this horrible work and I would call it holy work absolutely okay and this holy work is not it's it's not only for Jewish people we do this for every religion we don't care it's if if it's by accident it's for accidents any unnatural death but when I was called on Saturday when I left my family it's a holiday Saturday I left my family and just left to stay road and when I got over there and I saw the bodies piled up in the on the street all over and I was on the fire I was trying to fight I fought back with my friends and so you know and then I went on the road and picked up all the shattered bodies and burned bodies for no reason I'm used to it I would say I'm used to it that's the limit but then when it's a little bit hard I'm sorry yeah I know of course um because I just got home after five days not being home you know and when I'm in the field I don't think about it but when we go home and you start to think about it yeah it gets a little bit harder it's difficult and when we went in and I nobody's gonna get interfered from what I'm gonna say now when I go into a house well this is my team right over there um when I go into a house and I see a woman on the stomach I decide we have to turn her around because that's the way we have to put her heads up yeah we have to put it into the body bag and you know and now I'm not prepared what I'm gonna see you know we saw blood I see a gunshot wound in the back of the head but when we turn over and we see the stomach is open and a baby attached with the cord to the mother and stabbed with a knife and the mother is shot and just trying to think what happened first was the mother shot first or was the baby stabbed first hmm yes you're saying those words and it's truly incomprehensible and Mr. Lando you've shared with our colleague earlier another scene that will perhaps be engraved forever of literally bodies crying um parents children hugged together if you if you could share some more it was you know when you go to the next and then when we see this and my colleagues my group says you know you'll see that's it we can go further and I know we're in a mission that we have to go further I don't think there's anybody that would be able to do what I did just told them let's let's sit let's sit down and sing a song to a prayer song let's get some courage yes it worked but it worked only for five minutes because when we went into the next the second house and we see in the dining room the living room is one side sitting father and mother wow I know this picture um the hands tied in the back and on the other side there's two children of a boy and a girl small children hands tied in the back and they were torched you can see they were torched that the parents should see how the children are being torched and the children should see how they're being torched and in the middle there's a full table of food with those terrorists where it's sitting and eating while torching them how much evil could be how much evil I don't know Yossi I really don't know um how do you keep on going how can you unsee that we keep on going because first of all there's two reasons first of all we keep on going because we know it's a mission it's a holy mission we have to do and I would it's only my brothers and sisters and the second of all the support yeah of the whole world and when I talk to you let's say and I see that I see that that you suffering together with us that gives us support we we salute you the no words can describe the holy work you're doing as you've put it no other ways to describe it I know that um Yossi materials equipment that usually last for four years were all gone in three days piles of children burnt there how can we help how can our viewers help yes you're right our her nothing left now warehouses now our storage everything is gone because we weren't ready for something disaster like that and you know we use the same equipment it's unfortunately we use the same equipment for our victims for the terrorists because there it's our mission it's our mission that we have to it's unfortunately it's a heartbreaking thing yeah but we have to respect we have to do something we can't live leave them under on the road so their bodies are being collected you know is the body count over Mr. Lando our equipment for them too yeah before we let you go to give a deep squeezing hug to your to your children um is the body count over Mr. Lando unfortunately not no Yossi Lando um words cannot my body count I know my body count for my team 682 in five days 682 that's what only my team talking about 35 people in my team all volunteers by the way and and we commend you we salute you for your for your work um words truly cannot describe the the gratitude and appreciation we are sending you now from here uh in the studio um and and as you've said you're parking outside of your home waiting to see your children after five days in this living hell I again hope that you will get strength by by hugging them by seeing seeing life um that are worth fighting for thank you so much Mr. Lando for what you do and for speaking with us and we keep on going because there is no other choices you put it thank you sir thank you no more no more hello amen thank you all right um 1300 people murdered and more than 3000 injured and the war with Hamas continues we bring you first-hand testimonies from the front lines from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north get the inside scoop on what's going on only on i24 news the American Red Wolf is the most endangered wolf in the 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rishon lethion no injuries earlier benjamin at any hour warning this will be a long and difficult war confirmation that 15 soldiers have been killed in gaza during idf operations to eliminate the hamas terror organization the group behind the terror onslaught in southern israel on the 7th of october in which more than 1400 people were shot tortured and butchered earlier confirmation that another soldier from the givati unit was killed during fighting in the gaza strip on tuesday second lieutenant padaya mark now his father rabbi mickey mark was killed in a shooting attack in the west bank in 2016 inside gaza the hamas run health ministry saying more than 8600 people have been killed in fighting in the enclave but these figures have not been independently verified and are believed to include those killed by palestinian rockets that misfired and an egyptian official saying the first ambulances carrying wounded palestinians from the strip entered egypt via the russia crossing on wednesday dozens of foreign passport holders in gaza are leaving the strip the agreement to open the crossing was mediated by qatar between egypt israel and the hamas terror group which controls gaza in coordination with the united states and a short while ago jordan announcing its recalling its ambassador to israel in protest over the war let's listen to the earlier message from the israeli prime minister we're in a difficult war it will also be a long war so far we have achieved important goals but there are painful losses we know that each of our soldiers is a whole world and i say to the dear families the entire nation of israel is with you in your time of pain unbearably difficult grief we embrace you from the bottom of our hearts our soldiers fell in a just war the war for our home and i promise you and all the citizens of israel we will continue until we fulfill the mission we will continue until we win meanwhile a general strike has been declared across the west bank and east jr. today to quote denounce the israeli aggression in both the gaza strip and the west bank the idf conducting overnight raids in the west bank arresting 46 palestinian suspects including 30 linked to hamas the palestinian authorities health ministry saying in total 122 palestinians have been killed in clashes with israeli forces in the west bank since the 7th of october and now for more insight we welcome to studio retired brigadier general dr mayir elrun senior researcher and director of the domestic research cluster of inss and former deputy director of military intelligence and our senior editor guy israel thank you both so much for being here in studio i want to start with a very quick update on the ground a lot of developments in recent hours guy bring us up to speed well first of all as far as that rocket fire the barrage of rockets into central israel we know of one impact in an open area next to the city of rishon let's see on uh fortunately no injuries no casualties uh in in that incident up in the north the idf is it has attacked the squad that has launched mortar shells into the area of shtula uh just over an hour ago no israelis were injured in that incident and the latest diplomatic development as you mentioned jordan is recalling its ambassador to israel in protest against the israeli war we also know that the senior u.s uh representative bob relief is arriving in israel today just ahead of the expected visit of anthony blinkin later this week dr elrun the nation is still traumatized it's day 26 of this war and just a short while ago rocket fire is still coming towards residential parts of the country there are concerns in the north inside gaza obviously an operation underway as we speak the west bank yemen your assessment broadly speaking of the way things stand right now well uh first of all thanks for having me here secondly i think uh it's important to know that we're still as you suggest it correctly traumatized here in israel because of the uh really atrocious attack on the october 7th and this will be with us for a long period of time it's not something that can be brushed aside anytime soon so of course different people in different communities are reacting to that are responding to that in different ways it's quite different for the people who actually were you know at the center of the assault uh in the gaza envelope or you know people who live in tel Aviv let me just divide it into three parts number one uh these people who mostly are evacuated in different you know localities shelters in the around israel they are mourning mostly as communities as persons it's very very difficult for them but they are surrounded by love by compassion and by help psychological help and different kinds of other physical help that they need it's been a long time and it will probably a longer time before they get some kind of a more substantial help in terms of housing I think of that sort but I think that most of those people of course not everybody but most of them are resilient in the sense that they understand the situation remember the people who have been evacuated from these areas are very very strong very experienced so they are on the right track let's put it this way of course a long way to go then the second part of course is the other people in Israel all over the country and here I think that we are in a better situation in terms of understanding the shelters or the protection system that the IDF provides us with ira dome and the other systems and the you know physical shelters and despite of the fact of the harassment of the rockets and things of that sort I think that we manage and the population is strong we understand that we can hold it and this is not really a major issue if people are you know cautious about about the things now the third thing of course is what's happening right now with the incursion into Gaza this is an issue that is very sensitive to us one hand we are very very much behind our soldiers and the IDF units inside but the other thing and let's admit it we are very also very sensitive about the casualties and I think that this has to be taken into consideration despite of the fact that we admire the fact how the IDF is actually engaged operationally in this incursion very very slowly very precisely very cautiously and I hope that it will be successful on one hand and not very costly or the other stay with us we're going to talk about a little bit more what you mentioned right now though first we're going to go to our correspondent Jonathan Regev our senior defense correspondent joins us from southern Israel siren sounding a little bit earlier and as we've been discussing this IDF operation inside the strip continues what update can you share Jonathan I can tell you Benita from the place where we are we're hearing very loud the artillery pounding into Gaza all the time it is it is extremely loud and constantly ongoing the operation is there and and I think that from what we're hearing is that IDF forces are penetrating deeper and deeper into Gaza we have to understand that the Gaza Strip is a rather narrow place meaning that if forces are two and a half to three kilometers inside the strip it's not a much more to go until the strip is practically divided into two that perhaps might be the objective of the Israeli forces thank you so much correspondent Jonathan Regev and southern Israel will be coming back to you for regular updates thank you very much still in studio dr. Meir Elran and our guy Israel and guy I want to pick up on something that dr. Elran was talking about and that is the sensitivities around what is happening in terms of soldiers right now 15 soldiers confirmed to have died and its early stages of the war and we've been talking earlier in the day about how close to home this is for so many people who are already traumatized by what happened on the 7th of October it's I think very important to stress to our viewers how sensitive the Israeli society is to human casualties as well as those from the IDF these young soldiers mandatory soldiers who are the first to enter the Gaza Strip are in the front line of Israel's war against Hamas and sadly there are human casualties there are fatalities as the IDF is moving deeper into the strip into Gaza City really surrounding the city from east north south and also from west from with the Israeli navy obviously the terrain there is very complicated this is the home turf of Hamas many dangers there for the IDF troops including explosives on the road the threat of anti-tank missiles towards IDF troops whether they're in armored vehicles or in homes that they penetrate into that is something that the IDF knew was going to happen I think all of Israel feared and knew that this is these are part of the risks but as Israel faces a war that is inevitable after that attack of Hamas and being aware of the fact that the threat must be eliminated well the Israeli public is ready for it and this republic is also united with the goals of this war and that is sadly the price that Israel has to pay to secure the safety of Israeli civilians we're going to discuss that in more detail shortly but right now let's go to our correspondent Robert Swift he joins us from northern Israel and we know Rob that sirens have been sounding in northern parts including Moshev Shtula earlier on in the afternoon local time close to the border with Lebanon what is the update where you are as we see the sunsetting behind you so the IDF have given us an update on what occurred there at the community of Shtula which like you say is right on the border so it's understood that this was a combined mortar and anti-tank weapon attack the Israeli military responded fired upon the attackers and it said that it used an Israeli aircraft to take out the Hezbollah mortar team and one of its tanks fired at the Hezbollah anti-tank team as they were attempting to get into position we've not heard confirmation on casualties there but it's worth bearing in mind that this is not the first anti-tank attack that has taken place there in that community it's frequently a scene of this sort of attack because it's close proximity to the border and the fact that there are Lebanese buildings and villages just on the far side of the border make an ideal location to conduct this kind of attack one thing that I think it's worth noting is that when in the the initial days of the war there was a lot of instances of Hezbollah using anti-tank teams to attack across the border now in the last few days we've increasingly seen I guess you could call them combined attacks making use of anti-tank teams but backed up by mortars this implies that the the Israeli military are getting somewhat accustomed to the anti-tank teams and Hezbollah are having to to escalate the use you know make it more of a combined arms attack backing up those anti-tank teams with the mortars in order to try and achieve the similar impact upon the Israeli military thank you so much stay safe our correspondent Robert Swift in northern Israel thank you Rob and now for more on a personal account of the atrocities that unfolded on the 7th of October we welcome Medeck Lino Ateas deputy director of emergency operations at united Hatsala Israel and she joins us from New York Lino thank you so much for speaking to us Medeck's on the ground are the unsung heroes for sure take us back if you will to the 7th of October your recollections of what happened the 7th of October 6 30 a.m. I was still sleeping in my bed in Jerusalem waking up for alarm about rockets I headed to the headquarters in Jerusalem receiving so we were receiving so many phone calls and updates from the medics and the paramedics around Netivot of Akim De Roth and Kibbutzim on the around Gaza Strip every one of them was counting bodies every one of them was saying that there are still shooting attacks in the streets and they are not able to go out to save people it was devastated situations for us to make the right decisions whether they can go out or not not yet and then I just took the logistic car with all the hospital field equipment that needed just to open and field triage or hospital field and this is what happened I went down to the south together with the IDF they chose the location of Shuva it's near Kibbutzim near Os near Saad and then they just started to receive so many patients to that field triage together with the paramedic of the IDF and the paramedics and medics of united at Salah we treated so many casualties soldiers and civilians kids women men's everyone everyone and together with the helicopter we took them to the hospital and then they asked the commander of the IDF special unit ask us to enter up until the yellow gate of Beiri he promised that they establish to manage protective path for the ambulances to enter because the battle right now is ongoing but at the end of the kibbutz and not at the beginning and the entrance of the kibbutz to see so many bodies blood families who were tied up with bullets in their head I I I don't want to be so graphic and I think that everyone witnessed on the TV what happened but to be there to to smell the cars on fire houses burning to understand that there is people inside but you don't have the time or the equipment to save them and you just try to save whoever you can those who still managed to survive I don't know how we did our best we did our best to fight on the life of every one of them everyone no matter if he was a a worker who came across the sea from Thailand and to work on the field or an Israeli or we didn't ask who this person is if it was a terrorist we understand immediately but otherwise we just treat everyone and we lost so many life we lost so many life this terror attack needs to be heard all over the world it should never happen again should never happen again it should never happen again there is absolutely no doubt about that I can't imagine what is going through your mind when you are seeing the scale of what unfolded on that day so horrific at any point were you worried for your own personal safety as well talk to us about medic teams paramedics on the ground also at risk obviously in an unfolding situation like this yeah we took the risk we took the risk but yeah we did it on the drills and express we we managed terror attacks in Jerusalem and all over Israel but not on that kind of scale and what helped us to manage that situation is that every medic didn't know what happened in the other kibbutzim or the other cities they thought it's only one or two terrorists that they can handle with the situation this is what gave them the hope and the brave to work under those kind of circumstances to be in the middle of a war zone but without understanding the amount of the terrorist I didn't understand that neither the idea for the beginning we just thought that it's a yeah it's a it's huge area it's a war zone with several kibbutzim and cities but and also on the main roads but no one understood that we are speaking about thousands of terrorists and the hope that we can still save someone just block my feelings I become like a soldier automatic soldier just to manage look for a single life and every every life that I found someone still have a pulse I spiked back to bring him safely to the hospital and to save his life and I didn't even mind or had a minute or second to to think what I'm feeling uh witnessing so many blood bodies and we we just yelled each other even like the communication was yelling because the rockets and the whistles of from the guns and the grenades we couldn't hear each other and everyone was automatically like a robot to manage and to handle that situation and everything just went so fast we didn't have time just to stop us think about ourselves we had the helmet the protective gear vest the commanders of the IDF who control the situation and secure the the the path for us and that thing we just run and lean all in the time since then when you look back and you remember the children that you saw there the helpless people that you managed to rescue the people whose lives you managed to save are you speaking to someone about the trauma you and your team have gone through very briefly please definitely the psychotrauma unit of united at salla since shabbat night already start to work with all the volunteers who've been there and they are still working I have uh the trauma uh unit close ties to me and they also uh assisting the families um this was suffering from not knowing for 12 17 18 hours what's going on with us because we couldn't answer them lino at s you are a hero your team is a team comprised of heroes the deputy director of emergency operations at united at salla israel speaking to us from new york thank you so much the unsung heroes in this country thank you very much for speaking to us and sharing your recollections of the 7th of october as you say never again thank you thank you dr maire elrun it is so difficult day 26 and we keep on hearing these accounts and they are so devastating and so heartbreaking you spoke earlier about resilience how does the country move from this process this even try and make sense of this it's just so difficult it's so raw first of all it's really very difficult and the situation is quite very very grim no doubt about that but i must say that the history of the jewish people has proven to everybody that the jewish people is a very very resilient people group of people just to remind our those who watch us that three years after the holocaust which uh you know with all the what happened over there three years later the state of israel has emerged and been established this is the greatest indication that we can come up we can bounce back and we can bounce forward and we will do that in the sense that hamas made a huge strategic miscalculation on october 7th and there is no doubt in my mind that with our military and our civilians and people like erudat salah and zaka and others we will jump back and bounce forward after this war is over to the extent not only that people will will return to the gaza envelope which will be thriving but also in the sense that the whole structure within israel and in the region will be a much better one for everybody for us and also for our present opponents but future partners in the palestinian people and also in the gaza strip without hamas of course yes and to that exact point is ready president isaac herzog has been giving several high-level interviews to international media and really stressing that point of that biggest single massacre since the holocaust since the second world war yesterday he gave a long interview to the bbc where he also took a hit on the network for refusing to call the hamas terrorists for what they are a terror group and also speaking about how israel has caved in for so many years going for ceasefire after ceasefire while allowing hamas to attack israel let's take a listen to things that did not make the cut of the bbc they only played six minutes of 26 minutes of interview here's what they did not want to play reality there's a there's a real culture of of atrocities that is coming forward with a whole army called isis hamas and it was in 9 11 it's in beheading people in europe it's in torturing and and doing what the hooties are doing down south it's all over the region either we fight them or not exactly that took a long time until Winston Churchill took over after he threatened and alerted against the nazi regime we paid the price we caved in we enabled again and again and again to have ceasefires and what happened what happened the highest amount of Jews killed since world war two since the holocaust was on 7th of october so eight times more in proportional numbers than 9 11 what else do you expect us to do how do we to protect ourselves as a family member in a family of nations what's our right here we don't want to inflict pain we tell people move out but we have to get these terrorists and get them out that's what we're trying to do right now and believe me we don't want to be there we're not a warmongering nation we have 350 000 of our sons and daughters mobilized in this battle simply for one reason to defend ourselves and to protect our people well it may not have been aired abroad but you will hear it here on i24 news that was the president isaac hurtzog and that is where we wrap up for now brigadier general dr maher iran retired brigadier general thank you very much thank you very much israel is always appreciate your insight and that is a wrap for now i'm venice and avine our coverage continues stay tuned israel is at war make an investment in israel bonds it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with israel visit israel bonds dot com and invest now 1300 people murdered and more than 3000 injured and the war with hamas continues we bring you first hand testimonies from the front lines from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by hamas follow us as israel fights terror from the south and north get the inside scoop on what's going on only on i24 news drill story to the world i24 news channels news edition i'm venice levine coming to you live from tel aviv rocket fire from gaza towards central israel in recent hours a major barrage sent towards parts of tel aviv and surrounds on day 26 of the war one impact in an open area in the city of rishon letzion no injuries earlier benjamin netanyahu warning this will be a long and difficult war confirmation that 15 soldiers have been killed in gaza during idf operations to eliminate the hamas terror organization the group behind the terror onslaught in southern israel on the 7th of october in which more than 1400 people were shot tortured and butchered earlier confirmation that another soldier from the givati unit was killed during fighting in the gaza strip on tuesday second lieutenant padaya mark now his father rabbi mickey mark was killed in a shooting attack in the west bank in 2016 inside gaza the hamas run health ministry saying more than 8600 people have been killed in fighting in the enclave but these figures have not been independently verified and are believed to include those killed by palestinian rockets that misfired and an egyptian official saying the first ambulances carrying wounded palestinians from the strip entered egypt via the russia crossing on wednesday dozens of foreign passport holders in gaza are leaving the strip the agreement to open the crossing was mediated by qatar between egypt israel and the hamas terror group which controls gaza in coordination with the united states and a short while ago jordan announcing its recalling its ambassador to israel in protest over the war let's listen to the earlier message from the israeli prime minister we're in a difficult war it will also be a long war so far we have achieved important goals but there are painful losses we know that each of our soldiers is a whole world and i say to the dear families the entire nation of israel is with you in your time of pain unbearably difficult grief we embrace you from the bottom of our hearts our soldiers fell in a just war the war for our home and i promise you and all the citizens of israel we will continue until we fulfill the mission we will continue until we win meanwhile a general strike has been declared across the west bank and east jr today to quote denounce the israeli aggression in both the gaza strip and the west bank the idf conducting overnight raids in the west bank arresting 46 palestinian suspects including 30 linked to hamas the palestinian authorities health ministry saying in total 122 palestinians have been killed in clashes with israeli forces in the west bank since the 7th of october and now for more insight we welcome to studio retired brigadier general dr may air ill run senior researcher and director of the domestic research cluster of i n s s and former deputy director of military intelligence and our senior editor guy israel thank you both so much for being here in studio i want to start with a very quick update on the ground a lot of developments in recent hours guy bring us up to speed well first of all as far as that rocket fire the barrage of rockets into central israel we know of one impacting an open area next to the city of rishon let's see on uh fortunately no injuries no casualties uh in in that incident up in the north the idf is it has attacked the squad that has launched mortar shells into the area of shtula uh just over an hour ago no israelis were injured in that incident and the latest diplomatic development as you mentioned jordan is recalling its ambassador to israel in protests against the israeli war we also know that the senior u.s. uh representative borough lyfe is arriving in israel today just ahead of the expected visit of anthony blinkin later this week dr elrun the nation is still traumatized it's day 26 of this war and just a short while ago rocket fire is still coming towards residential parts of the country there are concerns in the north inside gaza obviously an operation underway as we speak the west bank yemen your assessment broadly speaking of the way things stand right now well uh first of all thanks for having me here secondly i think uh it's important to note that we're still as you suggest it correctly traumatized here in israel because of the uh really atrocious attack on october 7th and this will be with us for a long period of time it's not something that can be brushed aside anytime soon so of course different people in different communities are reacting to that or responding to that in different ways it's quite different for the people who actually were you know at the center of the assault in the gaza envelope or you know people who live in televiv let me just divide it into three parts number one these people who mostly are evacuated in different you know localities shelters in the around israel they are mourning mostly as communities as persons it's very very difficult for them but they are surrounded by love by compassion and by help psychological help and different kinds of other physical help that they need it's been a long time and it will probably a longer time before they get some kind of a more substantial help in terms of housing a thing of that sort but i think that most of those people of course not everybody but most of them are resilient in the sense that they understand the situation remember the people who have been evacuated from these areas are very very strong very experienced so they are on the right track let's put it this way of course a long way to go then the second part of course is the other people in israel all over the country and here i think that we are in a better situation in terms of understanding the shelters or the protection system that the IDF provides us with our endowment the other systems and the you know physically shelters and despite of the fact of the harassment of the rockets and things of that sort i think that we manage and the population is strong we understand that we can hold it and this is not really a major issue if people are you know cautious about about the things now the third thing of course is what's happening right now with the incursion into Gaza this is an issue that is very sensitive to us one hand we are very very much behind our soldiers in the IDF units inside but the other thing let's admit we are very also very sensitive about the casualties and i think that this has to be taken into consideration despite of the fact that we admire the fact how the IDF is actually engaged operationally in this incursion very very slowly very precisely very cautiously and i hope that it will be successful on one hand and not very costly on the other stay with us we're going to talk about a little bit more what you mentioned right now though first we're going to go to our correspondent jonathan reggae of our senior defense correspondent joins us from southern israel siren sounding a little bit earlier and as we've been discussing this IDF operation inside the strip continues what update can you share jonathan i can tell you benita from the place where we are we're hearing very loud the artillery pounding into gaza all the time it is it is extremely loud and and constantly ongoing the operation is there and and i think that from what we're hearing is that idea forces are penetrating deeper and deeper into gaza we have to understand that the gaza strip is is a rather narrow place meaning that if forces are two and a half to three kilometers inside the strip it's not a much more to go until the strip is practically divided into two that perhaps might be the the objective of the israeli forces thank you so much correspondent jonathan reggae of in southern israel will be coming back to you for regular updates thank you very much still in studio dr maier el ran and our guy israel and guy i want to pick up on something that dr el ran was talking about and that is the sensitivities around what is happening in terms of soldiers right now 15 soldiers confirmed to have died and its early stages of the war and we've been talking earlier in the day about how close to home this is for so many people who are already traumatized by what happened on the 7th of october so i think very important to stress to our viewers how sensitive the israeli society is to human casualties as well as those from the idf these young soldiers mandatory soldiers who are the first to enter the gaza strip are in the front line of israel's war against hamas and sadly there are human casualties there are fatalities as the idf is moving deeper into the strip into gaza city really surrounding the city from east north south and also from west from with the israeli navy obviously the terrain there is very complicated this is the home turf of hamas many dangers there for the idf troops including explosives on the road the threat of anti-tank missiles towards idf troops whether they're in armored vehicles or in homes that they penetrate into that is something that the idf knew was going to happen i think all of israel feared and knew that this is these are part of the risks but as israel faces a war that is inevitable after that attack of hamas and i am being aware of the fact that the threat must be eliminated well the israeli republic is ready for it and and these republic is also united with the goals of this war and that is sadly the price that israel has to pay to secure the safety of israeli civilians we're going to discuss that in more detail shortly but right now let's go to our correspondent robert swift he joins us from northern israel and we know rob that sirens have been sounding in northern parts including moshav shtula earlier on in the afternoon local time close to the border with lebanon what is the update where you are as we see the sun setting behind you so the idf have given us an update on what occurred there at the community of shtula which like you say is right on the border and so it's understood that this was a combined mortar and anti-tank weapon attack the israeli military responded fired upon the attackers and it said that it used an israeli aircraft to take out the khizbullah mortar team and one of its tanks fired at the khizbullah anti-tank team as they were attempting to get into position and that we've not heard confirmation on casualties there but it's worth bearing in mind that this is not the first anti-tank attack that has taken place there in that community it's frequently this a scene of this sort of attack because it's close proximity to the border and the fact that there are lebanese buildings and villages just on the far side of the border make an ideal location to conduct this kind of attack one thing that i think it's worth noting is that when in the the initial days of the war there was a lot of instances of khizbullah using anti-tank teams to attack across the border now in the last few days we've increasingly seen i guess you could call them combined attacks making use of anti-tank teams but backed up by mortars this implies that the the israeli military are getting somewhat accustomed to the anti-tank teams and khizbullah are having to to escalate the use you know make it more of a combined arms attack backing up those anti-tank teams with the mortars in order to try and achieve the similar impact upon the israeli military thank you so much stay safe our correspondent robert swift in northern israel thank you rob and now for more on a personal account of the atrocities that unfolded on the 7th of october we welcome medic lino atias deputy director of emergency operations at united had salad israel and she joins us from new york lino thank you so much for speaking to us medics on the ground are the unsung heroes for sure take us back if you will to the 7th of october your recollections of what happened the 7 of october 6 30 am i was still sleeping in my bed in jerusalem waking up for alarm about rockets i headed to the headquarters in jerusalem receiving so we were receiving so many phone calls and updates from the medics and the paramedics around netivot of akim the rot and kibbutz in on the around gaza street every one of them was counting bodies every one of them was saying that there are still shooting attacks in the streets and they are not able to go out to save people it was devastated situations for us to make the right decisions whether they can go out or not not yet and then i just took the logistic car with all the hospital field equipment that needed just to open and field triage or hospital field and this is what happened i went down to the south together with the idf they chose the location of near kibbutz near niroz near sad and then they just started to receive so many patients to that field triage together with the paramedic of the idf and the paramedics and medics of united akala we treated so many casualties soldiers and civilians kids women men everyone everyone and together with the helicopter we took them to the hospital and then they asked the commander of the idf special unit asked us to enter up until the yellow gate of baeri he promised that they establish to manage a protective path for the ambulances to enter because the battle right now is ongoing but at the end of the kibbutz and not at the beginning and the entrance of the kibbutz to see so many bodies blood families who were tied up with bullets in their head i i i don't want to be so graphic and i think that everyone witnessed on the tv what happened but to be there to to smell the cars on fire houses burning to understand that there is people inside but you don't have the time or the equipment to save them and you just try to save whoever you can those who who still manage to survive i don't know how we did our best we did our best to fight on the life of every one of them everyone no matter if he was a a worker who came across the sea from thailand and to work on the field or an israeli or we didn't ask who this person is if it was a terrorist we understand immediately but otherwise we just treat everyone and we lost so many lives we lost so many lives this terror attack needs to be heard all over the world it should never happen again it should never happen again it should never happen again there is absolutely no doubt about that i can't imagine what is going through your mind when you are seeing the scale of what unfolded on that day so horrific at any point were you worried for your own personal safety as well talk to us about medic teams paramedics on the ground also at risk obviously in an unfolding situation like this yeah we took the risk we took the risk but yeah we did it under drills and express we we managed terror attacks in jerusalem and all over israel but not on that kind of scale and what helped us to manage that situation is that every medic didn't know what happened in the other kibbutz team or the other cities they thought it's only one or two terrorists and they can handle with the situation this is what gave them the hope and the brave to work under those kind of circumstances to be in the middle of a war zone but without understanding the amount of the terrorist i didn't understand that neither the idea for the beginning we just thought that it's uh yeah it's a it's huge area it's a war zone with several kibbutz team and cities but and also on the main road but no one understood that we are speaking about thousands of terrorists and the hope that we can still save someone just block my feelings i become like a soldier automatic soldier just to manage look for a single of life and every every life that i found someone still have a pulse i spite back to bring him safely to the hospital and to save his life and i didn't even mind or had a minute or second to to think what i'm feeling uh witnessing so many blood bodies and we we just yelled each other even like the communication was yelling because the rockets and the whistles of from the guns and the grenades we couldn't hear each other and everyone was automatically like a robot to manage and to handle that situation and everything just went so fast we didn't have time just to stop us think about ourselves we had the helmet the protective gear vest the commanders of the idea for control the situation and secure the the the path for us and that's it we just run and lean all in the time since then when you look back and you remember the children that you saw there the helpless people that you managed to rescue the people whose lives you managed to save are you speaking to someone about the trauma you and your team have gone through very briefly please definitely the psychotrauma unit of united at salas since about night already start to work with all the volunteers who've been there and they are still working i have the trauma units close tight to me and they also uh assisting the family um this was suffering from not knowing for 12 17 18 hours what's going on with us because we couldn't answer them lino atias you are a hero your team is a team comprised of heroes the deputy director of emergency operations at united at salas israel speaking to us from new york thank you so much the unsung heroes in this country thank you very much for speaking to us and sharing your recollections of the 7th of october as you say never again thank you thank you dr maire elrun it is so difficult day 26 and we keep on hearing these accounts and they are so devastating and so heartbreaking you spoke earlier about resilience how does the country move from this process this even try and make sense of this it's just so difficult it's so raw first of all it's really very difficult and the situation is quite very very grim no doubt about that but i must say that the history of the jewish people has proven to everybody that the jewish people is a very very resilient people group of people just to remind our those who watch us that three years after the holocaust which uh you know with all the what happened over there three years later the state of israel has emerged and been established this is the greatest indication that we can come up we can bounce back and we can bounce forward and we will do that in the sense that hamas made a huge strategic miscalculation on october 7th and there is no doubt in my mind that with our military and our civilians and people like erudat salah and zaka and others we will jump back and bounce forward after this war is over to the extent not only that people will will return to the gaza envelope which will be thriving but also in the sense that the whole structure within israel and in the region will be a much better one for everybody for us and also for our present opponents but future partners in the palestinian people and also in the gaza strip without hamas of course yes and to that exact point is ready president isaac herzog has been giving several high-level interviews to international media and really stressing that point of that biggest single massacre since the holocaust since the second world war yesterday he gave a long interview to the bbc where he also took a hit on the network for refusing to call the hamas terrorists for what they are a terror group and also speaking about how israel has caved in for so many years going for ceasefire after ceasefire while allowing hamas to attack israel let's take a listen to things that did not make the cut of the bbc they only played six minutes of 26 minutes of interview here's what they did not want to play reality there's a kind of there is everyone is there is a real culture of of atrocities that is coming forward with the whole army called isis hamas and al-qaeda it was in 9 11 it's in beheading people in europe it's in torturing and and doing what the hooties are doing down south it's all over the region either we fight them or not exactly that took a long time until Winston Churchill took over after he threatened and alerted against the nazi regime we paid the price we caved in we enabled again and again and again to have ceasefires and what happened what happened the highest amount of jews killed since world war two since the holocaust was on 7th of october it's eight times more in proportional numbers than 9 11 what else do you expect us to do how do we to protect ourselves as a family member in a family of nations what's our right here we don't want to inflict pain we tell people move out but we have to get these terrorists and get them out that's what we're trying to do right now and believe me we don't want to be there we're not a warmongering nation we have 350 000 of our sons and daughters mobilized in this battle simply for one reason to defend ourselves and to protect our people well it may not have been aired abroad but you will hear it here on i24 news that was the president isaac hurtzog and that is where we wrap up for now brigadier general dr mayer iran retired brigadier general thank you very much for being our guy as well as always appreciate your insight and that is a wrap for now i'm benita levine our coverage continues stay tuned trail is officially in a state of war this is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking within a hundred soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped we just don't know anything entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity meaning us this is i24 news we're coming to you live from televiv on this day 26 of israel's war with hamas the israeli defense minister yoav galant says that the idf is making immense achievements as it continues its ground offensive in the gaza strip but the war coming at a cost to israel the idf confirming today that 15 israeli soldiers have lost their lives in the fighting since october 7th while a barrage of rockets was fired from gaza today with reports of a direct hit in the central city of rishon lethion no reports of any casualties at this stage egypt has opened the wrapper crossing to allow the evacuation of foreign nationals and the injured meanwhile jordan has recalled its ambassador from israel as a protest against the ongoing war well before we go on let's head to the south of israel our correspondent jonathan regiff is there for us now jonathan according to the defense minister israel is making a great deal of progress as it moves into gaza yes that is correct and more and more progress is done is is more boots are on the ground and as israel intensifies it's a ground operation pushing deeper into gaza as that happens of course israel is able to dismantle installations kill hamas terrace but as you also mentioned in your lead it comes to the price this is a war comes to the price and the news of 15 israeli soldiers killed came in the in the past a few hours i think we'll see more and then let's remember one thing if we're hearing that idea forces are in a distance of two and a half maybe three kilometers deep inside gaza we have to understand that the gaza strip is a very narrow place it's it's not too far before the israeli army will be able to basically cut the gaza strip into two that's the strategy isn't it and we're hearing from the commander of idf 162 division soldiers are at the gates of gaza city now jonathan and that would allow the idf to move into the real hamas strongholds wouldn't it yes we can we can expect some some we can expect hamas strongholds to be within the city of gaza especially under civilian installations like the shefa hospital and not only there under schools under mosques and yes in if you really want to dismantle all of that there's no other choice but to go in with the ground forces as as good and and impressive as airstrikes can be you cannot eradicate hamas as the israeli leaders promised to do only from the air and despite the pressure that is coming down to bear on the hamas uh fighters inside gaza they are still managing to fire rockets every day sometimes three or four times a day at israel yeah that is true because the the gaza strip is far from being conquered there's still strongholds of hamas especially in the southern gaza strip but not only there there's still places up in the north where hamas is still operative and still able to fire rockets and and yes i don't think israel will reach the every rocket in every location and we have to understand that these are things that take time and during this time we can expect rockets to be fired still at israel even at central israel like we saw about three hours ago Jonathan some analysts are telling me that hamas might be only halfway through their stock pile of rockets is that similar to what you're hearing yes pretty much if we're speaking of some 8 000 rockets are so up until now the estimate is that they had at least 15 000 at the beginning of the war and uh yes they shot very much on that first day of battle to distract israel and to make israelis feel that this is a rocket launching and not a full on terror attack but still yeah plenty of rockets there and we can expect them to continue firing jonathan thank you very much jonathan regiff there in southern israel thank you very much indeed well with us in the studio danie ayalon is the former israeli ambassador to the united states great to have you with us danie so the immense achievements that's how the israeli defense minister put it in terms of israel's accomplishments in gaza so far but israel is under pressure isn't it today following that strike on the jubalia district of gaza city last night well first of all the military the israeli military is very capable it's probably one of the best in the world in terms of planning in terms of execution in terms of discipline and indeed you know we lost 15 dear soldiers but um could have been 10 times worse and the fact that they work very methodically very slowly they gather in intelligence as you know actionable intelligence as they move it's it's very important so at the end of the day i have no doubt that they will end up and they will have to end up at the bunkers of the heads of hamas there is no other way around it if we ever want to achieve here peace and some quiet and rebuild gaza that's that's the idea now in jubalia which they called you know euphemistically a refugee camp it's uh it's really they have higher rises there they have beautiful apartments there palestinians insist to call those refugee camps because they have never resigned to the fact that israel is in our own homeland here and they want to kick us out and they want to put their quote unquote refugees instead of our own population this is what they say and hamas is you know in their manifesto in their credo in all their publications is that jews have to be eradicated first from israel from israel then the rest of the world and for them is just one sharia palestinian state on all over the land and in jubalia there was also a strong hold of hamas we saw it from the the fact of the collapse of the tunnels when you hit some strategic points you know underneath jubalia like underneath north of gaza there are there is an underground city tunnels of hamas and the civilians were clearly not allowed to go into those shelters well hamas is saying that um jubalia was hit for a second time today they claim that dozens have been killed of course we cannot verify those figures but um i want to talk about egypt because egypt has opened the raffle crossing with gaza to let through around a hundred dual national palestinians along with dozens of injured it follows a deal that was broken by katar egypt has strongly resisted calls to accept refugees from gaza onto its territory even temporarily well to talk more about that we're joined now by dr marwa maziad she's with us now marwa thank you very much indeed for being with us marwa does this represent a change in policy by the egyptians not at all it's the continuation of the exact policy of saying aid into gaza only the national of foreign nationals like the us american palestinians out after the aid gets in for the past three weeks that has been the policy blinken wrote an op-ed today in the washington post saying aid into gaza repeating it like three four times throughout and this is the exchange the dual nationals only not the palestinians not the exodus of millions onto syni as somewhere circulating and perpetuating that only the nationals of foreign passports with and also we're talking 100 a few hundreds out after trucks and trucks and trucks should get into gaza so that these kind of allegations of almost war crimes that israel finding itself in would actually be alleviated so no change of policy exactness of the policy only taking three weeks in delay but somehow the united states and the egyptians have an understanding and israel seems to be complying right now and marwa what why is there so much resistance inside egypt who allowing you know women children ill injured people the elderly into syni even temporarily as israel works to destroy our mass i mean we've seen jordan lebanon and turkey erect huge camps for refugees fleeing the fighting in syria why the why the opposition the resistance to palestinian refugees okay let's explain no such thing as a palestinian refugees anymore after the legacies and trauma of nakba and all of that it's not going to be part of that won't happen also this twisted kind of analogy with the syrians who were sent to turkey in some demographic engineering almost basically syria turkey was interested in having those sunni turks get giving some nationality to them in order to engineer some demographic demographics in its own southeast uh region against the Kurds and using them for uh you know elections and stuff this nonsense egypt's not in uh involved in at all also the iranians well people fled the lepo and other cities because of the carpet bombing campaigns by the syrians and the russians they had nowhere else to go i mean to order them a lifeline no but but there were interests of these countries who are even absorbing those for their own interests so there were almost human trafficking in all these refugees egypt is not interested in any of that is not interested in depriving the palestinians of their land of their uh place and not interested also in turning syni which had fought israel and then had peace with israel in order to have sovereignty borders these things matter to egypt and then suddenly it's going to be some refugee camp for the israelis in order to get rid of the palestinians that nonsense that was circulating and it's kind of like balloon testing is flying completely against the will of egypt and the egyptians so even of the leadership if sees a kind of muse and maneuvers in order to give the impression that he can even entertain any of that he's very sure that the egyptians are not accepting this and that would further destabilize the relations between egypt and israel and it's not in the best interest at all that more egyptians now very modern moderate uh somewhat very uh normalizing of israel of israel and israelis would have this sentiment that this is nonsense almost a garbage uh uh suggestion so i would say israel should not even continue to test with this uh idea at all think of other things israel is it can be very helpful in other uh matters other issues just israel pushing for it i think the americans have asked for it as well the egypt is a big recipient of american aid is that not a consideration at all it is nonsense you know and and and no amount of one billion are you kidding me uh this is a joke so no no amount of pressure will lead to a geopolitical decision by the egyptian uh president or the egyptian leadership or the egyptian people against the will of something that they don't like so this is kind of a closed i think it was good that they test that it's circulating it but you now get the the the reaction well it's i mean it's kind of a i mean it's it's natural isn't it that there are you know there are three borders that gaza has two of them go to israel there's no way israel is going can i finish israel is not going to let anyone any palestinians from gaza into their territory egypt is the only egypt is the only country that controls the other border no there is a mediterranean corridor and that's why you see some syria cyprus offering to or the even the um uh the french offering some uh you know on marine type like ship for uh help with hospitals and by the way if you if we're talking about injured people who can be treated in a harish hospital or having some hospital that is that is doable that is something israel israel treated wounded syrians in its hospital well israel and syria are enemy states aren't they we're not talking about the wounded the one that can't be treated in a larish but ten cities okay and uh exodus of millions that kind of uh un uh you know it's almost a joke i don't know how to describe it all right and daniel daniel alone is with me that maro if you don't mind daniel alone is with me in the studio former israeli ambassador to the us you wanted to come yes hi doctor a terrible interview or propagating that so yes i'll tell you i'll tell you why because you know egypt and israel has a great peace agreement which worked very well for both countries let me also remind you hundred percent you know that also israel contrary to the camp david um protocol uh security protocol allowed egyptian military to come into the synai to fight who did they fight isis hamas the same thing goes now when hamas is also threatening through also the one not push itself a population onto israel while it's kind of like let me know no i'm not prepared of that without that solution so i'm i'm actually with you so we agree egypt and israel have a treaty that stood the time 40 years and counting because the interests of both countries are met israel has its security from egypt as a as a foe or or an enemy none of that and egypt has its synai back which was the whole fight right and that's lasting 40 years and and and counting and it's going to be more so don't trigger that by things that really are uh too much of a red line now even in the example you said who was egypt fighting at the time yeah ansar bitul makdis isis affiliates all those uh groups that were directing their uh arms against egypt but that situation did not include any displacement of egyptian refugees in fact egypt is is clear that it didn't export any of its problems in terms of like refugees people crossing to europe even with the uprisings and a decade of instability but this is a very sensitive issue to start thinking that oh while i'm taking care of hamas okay uh take those palestinians uh either temporary or permanently or whatever that is non-negotiable now you think about other situations and uh act accordingly i know i have i have a question not political question if if one palestinian child will be saved by crossing the rafa border into the synai and getting medical treatment you still would not allow him to go in no that is a palestinian child will be saved when we have the humanitarian corridors into gaza into gaza repeated three times by blinkin in his latest article and uncounting you get the aid to them you create you already pushed them what about the risk that hamas is stealing the aid marwa no that can be that can be controlled stealing the aid you know egypt is very adamant about no arms getting through these trucks there are so many measures of uh you know even from the israeli side it can look at through all of that for security and of course it wouldn't be diverged are you distrusting all those humanitarian workers you and workers mechanisms of no we're talking about once the aid is once the aid is inside gaza that hamas might steal the aid and it won't get to the civilians okay no there are you and workers and networks control that uh work work closely with those individuals work closely with the um so that none of that reaches anyone else make sure it reaches this child be the good image israel has lost so much over the past three weeks i lost an israeli friend in the kibbutzim a dear friend from the university of washington college we're very sorry about that i'm sorry i could not for more than three four years uh the days and then i start seeing the images in gaza and the same empathy i have for my israeli jewish friend automatically uh it was transferred to also the gazans even though i don't know many or any of them so marwa can i ask is is in a position now that it has if you're talking about this child and and being uh saved israel should should be that image now all right about time all right marwa thank you marwa i want to ask you something else i mean do you think that the egyptian leadership want israel to completely destroy hamas good question right now honestly mm-hmm there are some doubts even about that why maybe a year or whatever ago it was clear uh you know there were some alliance uh you know egypt uh the gulf countries ue south arabia israel and i even wrote about that and there was the turkey katar bloc and you know pan islamism and but with with with what's going on and re-shuffling some of the uh uh you know uh that everything's up you know in the air right now so um i'm not 100 sure you think i'm not sure that the egyptians who are as i say very moderate egyptians pro-peace sadati kind of people would look at this and and say that israel is doing the right thing uh completely uh even destroying the the destroying hamas in this way maybe the future uh that will secure egypt is something very similar to the israel the future that will secure israel is something similar to the peace treaty with egypt where you have an actual state that is as armed and capable but it doesn't use your its arms against you because there is peace and a treaty maybe now israel necessitates needs an actual palestinian state with formal armed forces that would be under the control of a political leadership that has peace with uh with israel like any other state any other country but having uh first of all teres terrorist groups that change into militants and then militias and all these competing orders of violence you suffered from that in lebanon with the hezbollah suffered from that among the palestinian polity with hamas maybe it's actually time to crave a palestinian state with an army even armed forces i'm not saying an army so so in a sense armed but it is so much in peace with you that it doesn't need to do any of that which is the situation of egypt this is the model doctor dr maziad one one more question maybe which is consistent with what you say about the palestinian state but egypt for decades controlled the gaza strip until 1967 actually it was all egyptian why didn't egypt build the palestinian state then at the time between 47 and 67 yeah 20 years yeah because i if you're going to tell me what was the wrong with the partition i should have accepted the partition to begin with right uh but but to to think why didn't they build a build a state there so basically gaza on its own and the west bank on its own because back in the time okay i'll be honest with you they were thinking yeah they will they will have the entirety of uh of israel palestinia yeah i don't i don't hate it marvel let's let me accept this but i am now for by the way my my my my suggested uh proposition for a palestinian state is a palestinian state exclusively in gaza with gaza city as its capital i'm not even discussing the west bank i'm thinking a palestinian state in gaza with gaza city as its capital and this is your state anyone living in the west bank is a permanent resident of israel and can have a palestinian passport with this new palestinian state well it's governed by the palestinians and it's governed by uh uh not by egypt not by an arab entity of some sort will egypt have a role in any uh governance of a post hamas gaza in in some kind of international coalition advisory uh supervisory that kind of thing do you see my suggestion is is of course there could be interim anything but this is aiding the palestinians to become a state so that we can get over this they have their state it's there they have a passport they have an airport they have a a port they are collaborating with other arabs and non-arabs and cyprus up there and greece over there and israel next door okay and that's a state recognized so that we don't have the hassle of every time why are they unoccupied country why didn't they ever get the state it will just have to be it will just have to be demilitarized so they cannot threaten egypt or israel and iran you know iran has built something very i'm suggesting now something very provocative and think about it i'd even think if it is that kind of militarized meaning small armed forces but it is not this militia it's not this terrorist it's not that but it's an armed forces formal you know with the with the with the with the whole line yards of like you know formality and regalia or whatever but it has civilian control over it and that civilian government is a pro-peace pro integration pro whatever right and then the the people would feel secure enough that they have their own armed forces by the way they already have hanes so in a sense this is in practice existing except that it doesn't dress the way it should be dressed it doesn't look the way it should look and it doesn't think the palestinians can produce that kind of political leadership because they have said no to every offer of peace over the decades i think you know what laura this is a great question and i think it's almost as if you know it's almost an excuse we keep saying that so that we don't get to the point of having the state because we really don't want to have that and we thought it's not important maybe we'll have to re-examine what we just said what you just said and help them get there make it happen instead of saying you know we haven't found anyone because we say that so that we don't have the state i don't know why exactly but we're regulating them they are just Arabs they're not Palestinian and also this idea of like it's either or either the Palestinians take everything and there's no Israel or Israel somehow learn to say i want to take everything so that i'm not taken by so it's kind of like i'm gonna eat you for lunch before you before you have me for dinner but if we bypass all of this and it becomes kind of like having a state and i'm saying even in Gaza only this is the Palestinian state and it goes back to the philistines of ancient people of the sea and whatever it's a Mediterranean city it could be a beautiful state geographically and where it is is in a very strategic location and i'm sure you know there is a lot of willingness to help the people of Gaza rebuild their state in the Arab world but do you think it's not just Israel Marwa the Arab countries are also guilty of ignoring the Palestinians everybody will help but that starts with the non-circulation anymore of this idea of an exodus of the Palestinians over there so that there are no Palestinians anymore and somehow Gaza became a security zone that is you know protecting Israel and then all these Palestinians are around the border there if you get to that you already lost the Egyptians well are you hearing that from people in Egypt is that what they want they want to see a thriving Gaza they're willing to help they're willing to you know be part of a coalition yeah they don't want any suggestion of the Palestinians temporarily or permanently out of Gaza and into their country because for the reasons i enumerated no no they don't want to elucidate this Palestinian issue in fact they want them to have their state and also they don't want Sinai to become anybody's anything uh suggest anybody say Cyprus will have some refugees in Sinai because whatever it's not about the Palestinians no the answer is no sovereignty this is my country uh no okay it's sensitive no i think we've i think we've all right i think we yeah mara i think you made your point i think you absolutely made your point um very sorry are you are you on board with that i can't speak for daddy will you give me the thumbs up i think we can have a daddy do you appreciate mara's concerns with the historical connotations for Palestinians being displaced uh Egypt does not want to be party to that of seeing Palestinians I can yeah i can agree with everything provided one thing yes first of all Israel doesn't want to control Gaza Egypt doesn't want to control Gaza ever nobody wants to control Gaza but in order for Gaza not to come out in terror against Israel or Egypt by the way Hamas was also against Egypt we need to have a demilitarized Gaza with I would say an interim period to build to rebuild a I would say a society a um a civil society in Gaza if this is the case then of course Gaza can be the Palestinian state I agree and Gaza will be the capital of the Palestinian state absolutely the Singapore of the yeah but it has to right right so you see we agree so much future to be had so much potential absolutely and I think we've seen a willingness from the Gulf Arab states and from Egypt and from the United States as well to to kind of see things differently in Gaza and work towards a different future for Gaza so let's all hope for that Dr Marwa Masiyad at the Middle East Institute thank you very much indeed great to great to have you with us thank you Marwa Danny you're going to stay with us for a bit yeah by the way I think it's a great idea but what she did was she gave up in the entire Judea and Samaria it's not Palestinian all right let's take one thing at a time we're going to take a short break stay with us we'll be back with more for you rather just don't go away is officially in a state of war this is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking within a hundred soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity vestment in israel bonds it is 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from israel as a protest against the ongoing war and a reminder of how complex this offensive in Gaza is because 240 hostages remain in Gaza among the babies young children and the elderly while many families suffering a complete agony for the past 26 days as they wait to hear news of their loved ones and with us now Aviram Meir and Orit Meir thank you for very thank you very much for being with us i understand your your daughter has been kidnapped is that right not daughter my son i'm so sorry your son your son i'm sorry my apologies your son tell us what happened tell us about your son my son is a 21 is old is a is a very happy guy social guy i very happy smart what can i say is that my son is all my life all my life i understand i understand what happened yeah what happened is that he went to celebrate in a party it was a Friday night he was supposed to start a new job on Sunday and that Friday he went to celebrate his friends on the party a party of love and the happiness and in about 75 p.m. a.m. my son they woke me up in the morning and called and said to me mom they closed the the party there are rockets rockets all over and the bombs and i'm hiding i don't know what's going on i'll call you every half an hour mom i love you and since then i don't have any contact with him that's the last time you had his wife yes yes after few hours we got a a a clip from the Tehamas published and i saw him he was lying this this clip he was lying on the floor on the floor with other young guys and a few of them were very were tight by hands and they were frightened and my my son covered his hands his face with his hands and i was looking at his face it was you know he was terrified terrified there's nothing no worse nightmare for a mother to see your child in in pain and suffering i'm so sorry i'll eat i'm so so sorry so i mean when you see that the operation is continuing the troops are moving into Gaza are you hopeful they're gonna they're gonna bring your boy back home we hope so we hope so yeah what i mean what what what kind of what kind of character is it do you think he'll be he'll be with the other hostages he'll be you know he'll have the strength he'll be talking to them he'll be helping people get through it is that the kind of guy he is i believe he's a strong guy i believe uh i believe he can he can manage but i'm worried of course he'll stay seven days if he's uh we don't know if he's alive we what is eating where he's staying how we sleep if he's alone with friends we know nothing about it and i'm so worried of course it's agony and i'm and i'm afraid i'm afraid that uh you know everything can happen yeah i want a sign i want a sign that is a life that is okay i understand what is what i mean it's yeah go another one we ask for a humanitarian visa for the hostages for all the hostages and among with them among them the we need something to say that he's okay and he's alive and we know that other hostages have lots of and this is the first stage of trust they have to do for humanity all the matter here is humanity this is what they have to give them medical and doctors and the great cross will see them absolutely very basic demands what's what's keeping you going 26 days of this absolute hell how do you how do you get through the day very hard very hard we can't sleep eat you know it's uh everything changed my life changed uh i'm i'm not working now i'm doing everything to bring my son back yeah we're very sorry for you it's absolutely horrendous what you're going through and we pray for you and we hope you you have a happy outcome to this we pray for your son our monk thank you so much thank you for talking to us thank you thank you it's really hard to hear it never gets easier to to hear those stories all right well daniel on is with me in the studio we're also joined now as well by alon avieta he's a palestinian affairs expert and former koga advisor and hi there thanks for being with us and it's really hard isn't it to hear those stories and and this is the challenge for israel now it has to destroy how mass it also has to bring back those hostages of course i think it's uh on the first priority no doubt about it i think there is no paradox or no um i would say no matter what is first target or what is the first goal i think it's a parallel we israel continue to work on both goals i mean first the hostages file or the hostages problem israel i think and i believe and that continue work on all channels to bring them back all of them without any separation without any difference between the civilians and the soldiers and so on second to continue destroy a hamas target it means with a lot of military forces from all kind of units special units tank battalions and so on inside a gaza city i think that as much as i can analyze the situation i would say that a few tanks divisions or brigade brigades are in the interest located in the interest of gaza city in order the gates of gaza city of course in order to destroy the headquarters of hamas the sites of command and control of hamas the sites of launch rockets explosives seniors of hamas leadership and so on we know that they've already that the main target is on the underground it means other shifa hospital it's not a story it's a fact that the center of hamas headquarters is located inside gaza city inside gaza strip but in the metro of gaza underground few dozens of meters underground those channels are not you know small places and some corners inside it's a it's a you can imagine 500 kilometers underground like a net and can they destroyed from above or only to a certain you can do part of the by air force by airplanes but not all of them you must use boots on the ground you know units that can use another so deep of course you have a few techniques or ways to collapse those tunnels or to kill those tourists inside the tunnels it's a i would say a sensitive walk and i think that during the next days we shall see another achievements i mean military achievements up to the if it's getting a lot of heat following the strikes on the jubalia district they call yes of course we can so there are going to be more incidents yes but i'm not sure that jubalia incident was a mistake i think that i mean i mean there is a lot of international pressure on israel will that affect its military strategy or it does israel just need to shut out that noise yeah i think that up to the military program or the military plan we are on the right way it means we shall we shall challenge a few difficulties on our way inside the gaza city but step by step it will take time goal after goal i would say target after target there is a lot of a list and a lot of targets and hundreds of targets inside maybe more of that thousands including included those seniors of Hamas i think that the senior of Hamas that top five this is the this is the those are the main target of the israeli by the israeli idf and a military and agent and the shabak i mean the agency i think that as long as we can enter to the center of gaza city we should see a lot of achievements i say okay all right well hold that thought for us alone because i want to bring on another front yemen's iranian backed who's he rebels have declared war on israel they find several missiles towards the red sea city of elat and the military in saudi arabia is on high alert after four of its soldiers were reportedly killed in clashes with the hooties this week our middle east correspondent arie los around has more on the group and its intentions as israel deepens its ground offensive in the gaza strip and with controlled but escalating clashes in the west bank and with his ball and the north a new front is emerging but not exactly on israel's borders our armed forces have launched a large barrage of ballistic and cruise missiles as well as a significant number of drones at various targets of the israeli enemy the yemeni armed forces affirm that this operation is the third in support of our oppressed brothers in palestine more qualitative strikes with missiles and drones will continue until the israeli aggression the idf said its aero air defense system intercepted a ballistic missile launched by the iranian back toothies in yemen towards the southern city of elat fighter jets downed multiple drones following another attack early wednesday morning the idf deployed a navy missile ship to the red sea we are prepared on the red sea front as well as in every area of the state of israel for defense we also know how to attack in the place and time of our choosing for any security interest of israel anywhere we are required to operate in this violent show of solidarity initiated by iran comes to prove the existence of a united front against israel but maybe not entirely united as iran's most hardline newspaper kai han published on tuesday in editorial titled iran does not go to war for the sake of others in other words let the people of gaza lebanon and yemen die into fighting with israel but not iranians if this war is not stopped immediately and joint attacks against civilians the women and children of gaza by america and israel are not halted then the consequences for those who are waging this war will be grave the houthis attacks are also meant to send a diplomatic message to neighboring saudi arabia and through it to washington and the match led in yemen may force the saudi's and americans to take a stance and perhaps even join the fray well with us now hosane abdel hosane is a research fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracies thank you very much for being with us hosane and i want to um i'll lead to a piece you've written um about how the arab world should embrace the west because islamism simply isn't working for them how do you explain the hold that this uh this idea still has on people especially young people well this is unfortunate i think you know the maxine that uh if you're young and you're not leftist you're heartless if you're older and you're still leftist you're brainless now i think this is what you're facing i mean i'm fine with with university students being as as active as they are my issue is with all these professors and pundits and the older folks uh who are really instigating this identity politics and this identity politics in the west is coinciding with islamism and this is hurting not only the people in the west this is hurting islam in itself i think that there should be a battle to regain islam from the hands of militias and thugs and politics and just make restore islam back as religion as as a faith as a spiritual activity and that was the inspiration for my piece well would you say i mean israel right now is fighting uh not two but three uh islamist groups the houthis hezbollah and hamas i mean has israel been left alone to defeat islamism and has the west uh to a certain extent given up it is weary in its fight against isis a decade ago i think the west understands that it cannot take its eyes off the ball and that's why we still have us troops uh in iraq and syria and from time to time you you'd get some uh delusional islamists who would kill someone in france or or danmark or any anywhere else or even in new zealand uh so we understand that islamism is not uh over and that there's still a long way to go i think i'm i'm happy all the the support to see all the support that israel got and and like you just said that the fact that all these islamist countries or militias got involved in this war proves that this is not about palestinian standards of living or giving palestinians good lives this is about a messianic erroneous idea of of religious war between islam and other non-muslim nations or religions would you say that the palestinian cause is one of the biggest victims of islamist ideology it has always been the biggest victims before the islamist ideology it was the victim of the pan arab nationalism and i think now iran is using the palestinian issue hezbollah is using it the hothis too are using it and mind you the hothis are uh write out anti-semitic with their slogan their famous slogans death to america and death to the jews not not even to israel just you know saying it outright so i think all these characters are just distorting uh the um division for a better life for both israelis and palestinians well the uh the obama doctrine was to contain uh iran and to split the middle east between iran and saudi arabia do you think the events of october the 7th have been a wake up call for the biden administration do you think that they now see that it is iran pulling the strings of hezbollah hamas and the hothis and that this is a a a theocracy that cannot be contained i think to an extent it has been a wake up call now we understand that the obama hypothesis of the grand bargain with iran of considering the iranian islamist regime as being smart and as a calculating cause and effect by now we know that it's neither smart it doesn't calculate it's messianic and it's crazy it shouldn't get nuclear it shouldn't get anything else uh so thankfully i think the biden administration has come to this realization unfortunately i don't see um that the us is showing a strong hand i think all these attacks that the us bases have been under and iraq and syria the reaction has not been one that would disinduate the the iran regime from from going after us troops or other uh uh targets for us allies in the region and we've just been having a discussion here about what a post hamas gaza might look like um how do you see that panning out do you see a role for the the moderate gulf states for egypt for the united states what are your what are your thoughts well absolutely all those countries that you mentioned first and foremost the gulf of course were there uh a huge enormous uh uh financial capabilities they can show a lot of support and also diplomatic support on the palestinian side you know i can think of at least a dozen of qualified palestinians for example uh the former prime minister of the palestinian authority salam fayyad there are dozens like him who work for the world bank and i m f palestinians who work on wall street so the palestinians are not really uh all people who look like uh khaled meshhal and smaid hania and the crazy messianic militia people there are a lot of of of qualified palestinians and i think with the right support from the gulf from the us from from europe from moderate uh arab countries at peace with israel i think it can work out i think gaza can be rebuilt a good experiment of governance building governance capacity can happen in gaza and once the experiment succeeds then then this thing might expand to other palestinian uh territories okay thanks very much hossam great to talk to you as always hossam abdo hossam at the fdd and if i could just get uh daniel alone and i'll never be able to pick up on a couple of the points there i mean danie um is israel the israeli right in particular guilty of sidelining those moderate palestinian voices that uh hossam was just talking about what i think that the israeli right that the hard right is is is guilty of not looking into the eyes of reality and also thinking in some grand historic gestures which have nothing to do with the good at politicking and with common sense and i believe that at the end of the day today when i see some israeli politicians thinking of now canceling the the disengagement bills of 2005 and bring back jews to gaza then you know that this is almost the uh you know the uh mere image of some other crazy messianics from other faith if we want to live here in peace and prosperity and security we need to bring the silent majority 80 percent of israelis would love to see peace and security with a palestinian state of course it has to be demilitarized we have to make sure that there's no incitement over there but you know oslo in oslo when oslo started 80 percent of israelis were for palestinian states when the intifada started 80 percent were against so it's very much a a response and a reaction to what's happening on the ground but however there's always the 20 percent 10 percent on the far left and 10 percent of the far east on the far right which are totally totally incapable of gov governing of making good future and we see it now we see the governance of israel today is in the hands of some of the far rights who not only are extremes in their ideology but they are very incapable incompetence in running the the very very simple things of economy and time in economy in times of instability on the on the side i think that danie will agree with me that this war has the potential to change the strategic structure in the middle east we should not miss it but i think that this file or this task or or goal is not on the israeli side also but i think that the international community should also join the opportunity or try to improve forward in order to arrange the the things all around and i think it should be after destroying the terror organizations all around which means hamas islamic jihad and the main goal is khizballah as long as i would even further the ayatollahs of iran they also have to be put you know into the ashes of history into the right well as we saw in that report i mean they don't want iranians to die for their cause iran is the main i would say the main challenge let's say but do you think that those moderate palestinian voices can can be built up because we've we've seen what's happened in the west bank in recent years that there has been how hamas has been taking hold isn't it because you know i know for dozens of years groups of moderate palestinians but the problem is that their voice is loud they don't have huge impact they're silenced of course they silent they don't have huge impact on the palestinian street on the palestinian leadership even in their environment or society and as long as we don't have you know a strong partner in the other side we should not go forward alone but i think that the security is the main base for any improvement and stability but also the technology you know the calamity of the palestinians for the last hundred years it's all because of their leadership from haja minel husaini in the 1930s who went over to hitler all the way down to here you know they do not want to see us here and this is what they teach their children and this is why they have never been able to really build a civil society what about the voices that husain was talking about there the former prime minister that there are moderate palestinian voices but they've been completely sidelined yes yes but you know with the those let's say for example a business businessman group right there is a big group of like mohammed ahlan yes like muhammad akhlan is not a middle level is not moderating he's very rich man and he came from gaza by the way considered as a refugee from hanyun as a refugee he was a neighbor of ih sinwar the same neighborhood they grow up yeah they know each other but muhammad akhlan he's living in the embers as long as abou masen muhmud abbas is the Palestinian president dahlan will be out of the territories so do you think he wants to come back i don't know if you saw there was a reason to be with him but he has ambitions does it yes of course he's a clever boy is a clever man and a clever guy and a connected guy he has a good mingling in the palestinian elite but they cannot do it alone this is the main point he has to be connected to other well it's the emirates taking a greater role in he has the potential i would say he has the potential but it will take time he know to speak with the powerful with the main factors the main elements in gaza strip but the first the base the basic