 Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Whether you're here in America, whether you are. No, I'm not on CP time. Listen, I'm just this what you call a dramatic entrance. Me, me, this is not no, no, this is just a dramatic entrance. It builds up suspense. You know what I mean? So anyway, and you threw me off. But anyway, good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, everyone. Whether you're here in America, South America, UK. It's really cool to know that people all literally all over the world watching it. I that that absolutely floors me. People from Australia, from the UK, from, from Portugal, from Ecuador. That just makes me feel wonderful. So anyway, hope you all are doing well. I've got an extremely and when I say extremely and extremely busy day, I finally was able to con my way on to Seiko Woods. And so I'll be on with him. I think it's at at 3pm. And so you all check that out. I'm gonna see if I can mess with him. Hey man, Rebecca from the UK. And so we got Eric from Ireland. We got Rod from North North America. Babs from Nigeria. So that part is cool guys. It really is. But not only do we have you guys from all over. I've got four guests. So that is a that's a whole another country right there. So whatever you got going on in Chicago, then we've got that from Manchester, UK. So anyway, I've got four guests. You all know at some some time ago, we did a video from covering tongues. I offered that if anyone was interested in talking about tongues, their discussion, I mean, they want to come on and have a just a cordial discussion about it, why they differ, why they disagree with me. Well, then more power to them. Come on board Jacksonville. You guys in trouble tomorrow is letting you know, Neelan. You're in trouble tomorrow. So. So right now we're kind of we're kind of, you know, not really feeling each other right now. I love you in the spirit. But team I really do not somebody from South South Africa. Anyway, without any further delay, I want to go ahead and bring on my guest. Guys, how are you doing? Okay, Jacob real quick. Well, okay, wait a second. We got to stop. We got to stop. Somebody just gave a dislike. Who are you disliking that that? Wow, you all started early this morning, but it's cool. It's cool. You can't dislike everybody because we're coming from some of us come from different positions. So but it's cool though, hurting my feelings already. Anyway, got a second dislike. I better quit stopping. I quit saying that. So you all know my position. My position one about tongues is that it is a gift from God, but it is actual an actual language. And so I'm not sure I haven't I haven't discussed with them any of them where they differ where they disagree with me at. But the question is that I have with just about everyone is this. Are you willing to be wrong in your position and also which is kind of it coincides with this. And that is what would it take to show you that you bet you are wrong. Now, for me, I'm absolutely willing to be wrong on this on this topic. As a matter of fact, you all have heard me say before that in the beginning. I believed in tongues. As a matter of fact, the very first church that I was ever a part of Church of God and Christ. And even in the motto in the song, this is the tongue talking foot stomping Church of God and Christ. And so I believe in that believe that I believe that I spoke in it according to the way everyone else did. And it took me, you know, just getting away from being stubborn to kind of move from that. And so I'm certainly open to being wrong. And I'm open to someone showing me the scriptures and I'm open. I'm open to being wrong about being wrong. I mean, I can go back the other way. But I have to be convinced, right? And so with that being said, I want to stop. I mean, I want to stop what I'm saying and go ahead and ask the guests. We're going to start off with the young lady first and just one baby. Go ahead and introduce yourself and then tell everyone why what is your your point of contention or disagreement with me? Okay. Hi, you guys. My name is Betty. And I wouldn't say that I disagree with you. I do believe that tongues are gifts from God and I do believe that it is a language. But I also do believe that the Lord is still feeling believers or giving believers the gift of tongues. And I also believe that that the language that the Lord still allows believers to pray with that language with the language of tongues. So that's my position. Okay. Jacob. Hey, everyone. My position here is that I don't disagree with you for the most part. I do believe that the tongues are still in use. However, I would say pretty much like you that I don't see it being used correctly or properly in the church today. I don't see it being used. I don't see it being not according to the scriptures. So I really don't disagree. I believe that tongues are a gift from God. I don't believe that there are different types of tongues. I believe that there's one type of tongue and that one gift of tongues rather. And that there are not several different kinds of stuff like that. I don't believe that. But I do believe that they're still useful today whenever God does see fit to use them. However, I would say in my personal experience, I have not seen it used. Not once I have heard of it, but I have not seen it personally used once biblically. Okay. Anthony. I don't disagree with you about tongues. I just, I think I have a difference of opinion on it being not just language per se. I think it's multifaceted as far as like the scripture saying that there's a tongue that no man understands and that a tongue directly to God and also believe there are tongues that involve interpretation for edification. And also there are tongues that are meant for unbelievers are those in doubt per se to bring all glory to God. Everything should be centered on Christ to begin with. I just think that sometimes it's been misused and overemphasized to the point where it's almost a glorifying man instead of where we're there. Okay, so. So now let's go ahead and step into it guys. What do you think tell me Anthony since since since you're on right now. What, what are tongues? What is tongues? What are tongues? When you look at the, when you look at this, it says languages as far as like, well, it's like an utterance from the Holy Spirit that comes as a gift from the spirit. It's an utterance that comes forth. It's not that you're not actually forming the words yourself. It's coming from within. And the Holy Spirit is kind of the emphasis. He's the one just pushing it out. I mean you could do it at will per se, but you're still not forming the words manually. Okay, smile. What do you say, Jacob? What do you think? What do you say tongues are? I believe from just reading the scripture that tongues are a regular human language, just one that the speaker, the one who's able to speak it does not know. It is, I think it is necessary that the person who speaks that language does not know that language and are not fluent in that language and therefore it would be the Holy Spirit giving them utterance. When we look at Acts chapter 2, the Holy Spirit gave them utterance, gave them the ability to speak these languages and the other people, as we will read through that same chapter, the other people heard these languages and they recognized their language. Okay. So I would think. Okay. I don't want to get, because we're going where you're talking about in just a little bit to act. Okay, I'm sorry. Betty, what would you say, what do you say tongues are? Tongue, tongues, the Holy Spirit, or the Lord takes control over your tongue and speaks through, prays through you, and it is a gift again that is, I want to say that, so I don't know how to do it. Okay, let me ask you this then, Betty. Let me ask you this. Yes, sir. How do, and then you other guys can chime in too, but how do tongues sound? When a person, when it's the actual move of the spirit and someone is actually speaking in these tongues, how does it sound? How is it supposed to sound? I know that it's not gibberish. So it is an actual language and even though you may not fully understand what it is that you are speaking, I believe that there is a degree to where you do understand. Okay. So it's not what we see most. Sorry. No, you're fine. Keep going. Okay. Yes. So it's not what we see a lot. I would say in video folks that have perverted the view, but I do believe that that there is a language to some degree, the individual has an understanding of what they're praying or how they're praying. I can give an example. For me, I know in my own personal life. I can tell when I am praying and the spirit is praying through me. And when there's like warfare, meaning when I am praying, when there's spiritual warfare and when there's, when then I'm praying in a language that is so me asking the Lord to help or to show me how I should pray. And I do know that there's a level of understanding in that way and I can give examples a little bit later if you like. Okay, I'm going to ask you to let me ask you guys this question. What are what do you all think that tongues are for what's the purpose of tongues. So, well, for me personally, I know that it's for edification of oneself and also the ball. I believe that the spirit praise things that you don't understand you need to pray for the perfect prayers that build you up as an individual and also in a body setting. It's for edification for the church as far as like maybe the direction that God wants him to move in. At all points towards God in the end. Hold on. Wait a second. You said you said you said two things you said for edification for yourself or edification for the body which one or you said either or both. Well, so when you're speaking in the body, it has to be an interpreter. So I mean that has to so say someone I say believe there's two different types of time. There's a tongue that God gives you that you can speak on command and there's also there's like the spirit comes upon you. Maybe you speak something out that you're you don't even know it's about to come and he speaks out and he has someone who interprets that something for that particular setting that's for the body of Christ. And that way the body itself understands what the heart of the Lord is. Okay. I mean, yeah, so I understand what Betty was saying is sometimes you're praying it's like an emotional kind of roller coaster, whether you're praying ferociously in tongues or more soft and I'm even cried on it. I don't know what I'm crying for, but it's just it just happens that way. Okay. What what, Jake, what do you say the purpose of tongues are for? I think, according to the scripture, the purpose of tongues is for the edification of the body of Christ. I do not think it's necessarily for the edification of self it is we supposed to do all things to the edification of the body of Christ. And also, it is for the unbelievers. Oh, Jacob, you froze on me. I mean, hear me. Yeah, you froze. You froze for a second. Go ahead. Continue. Okay. I will. I believe that acts chapter two and second Corinthians. Well, first Corinthians, rather 12, 13, 14 would be talking about the same thing and we'll see that as we, you know, get into this discussion a little bit further. But I believe tongues are for the edification of the body of Christ and also for the drawing in of the normally. Okay. That was one to you. Okay. Well, what I want to do. Matter of fact, let me let me rearrange you guys on screen. Can I answer? Can I add one thing sir? Uh huh. Correct. Yes sir. So I believe that tongues are for the edification and the strengthening of the believer, along with the word of God. And I also believe that the Lord that the through tongues, the pray, he will allow you to pray. What you would have prayed. Have you know what he knows? How do you have the knowledge about your life or your situation or the circumstances you are praying for? So. Okay. So now let me, let me, let me go back. And this is kind of how I made my journey because when I started off in church, I would hear people, you know, kind of with that. You know, how you hear it often. And okay. Yeah. I hear what's going on. That that that's supposed to be a move with the spirit. I wasn't quite understanding it. But for all I know that's how God moves that that's a that's the Holy Spirit. And what made it real for me was that the people that were doing it. These are people who are who, as far as I could tell, love the Lord. They were genuine believers. They had struggles in life like everyone else. And they saw the Lord. I saw them cry. And you know, even, even when things got, when I got to know them kind of personally and saw things in their lives. These were genuine believers who were speaking in these languages or speaking in tongues. And so it must be really because if they're doing it and they love the Lord, it's got to be real. Right. Well, what I did was I started going over to when I end up leaving that church. And we moved down to Dallas. And I got more into the scriptures. I start my because even when I was there, I asked a question of the pastor or why, like he would go from English to tongues. And then back to English thinking, OK, well, what did you just say? Why did you do that? And then why are we saying amen? And so those were questions that I had asked, but I didn't get really the right kind of response. And so what I did was you all see you all in the chat. And also you guys here, I guess, see if you can kind of track with me, see what led me to my understanding of one, what tongues were for, what all the spiritual gifts were for. And so I'm going to start with before there's a such thing as these, this get the tongues and talk about what Jesus said prior to this. And so in John 15, he's speaking to his disciples and he says, but when the whole when the helper comes that being the Holy Spirit, whom I will send to you from the from the father, the spirit of truth who proceeds from the father, he will bear witness about me. And you also will bear witness because you have been with him, been with me from the beginning. And so that was kind of the the the genesis of my of my move towards where I am now. That also goes goes over again in I think in 14 also in 16. But anyway, the point is that he's saying when the Holy Spirit is coming, he is going to come to be in us to testify. To testify about Jesus. So my mind is thinking, OK, well, should I should I look for even more of this going to happen? Should I should I seek anywhere else in the scripture where the Holy Spirit comes upon them and they are going to speak about Jesus? Well, if we go to acts, so let's go to acts instead of two first, let's go to acts one. And Jesus is talking to those same disciples again. And you all know the know the passage where he says in acts one, eight, he says, but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you. And it will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth. We're going back to John 15. He says that you shall bear witness about me. John one, I mean acts one, eight says that you will be my witnesses. So those kind of that's exactly what Jesus said was going to happen when the spirit comes in you. We're going to be now as of yet as of John 15 and acts one, eight. It hadn't happened yet, right? And so they're still waiting for this to happen. And obviously we see it happen in acts two. So let's go to acts two then. Let's see. So let's go to acts two. Fire on the right passage. Oh, I'm sorry. Too far gone. Acts two, five. I'm starting to five to two. You know, let's start to one. I keep going back up. When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place and suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind. And it feel the entire house where they were sitting and it divided the tongues as a fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak other tongues as the spirit gave them utterances. So we first need to camp on what said here. This word right here, this other tongues. We know it speaking of other languages because it says headerized, which is where we get the word hetero other different and then glow size plural tongues. And so they're speaking in these other languages, which is clear that tongues at least so far. The only description that we have of tongue so far is that it is a language, right? And in this case, the gift that was given on this day was other languages going back to them. And I'm going to come back to you guys in just a second. Going back to this, it says in verse five, now there were dwelling in Jerusalem, Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven, which means which made sense because that at this time. You also have in verse six at this time, the multitude came together and they were bewildered because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. And they were amazed and astonished saying are are not all these who are speaking Galileans. How is it that we hear each of us in his own native language? Parthians and Meads and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, Fragia, Canthulia, Egypt and parts of Libya belong to Cyrene and Visitor from Rome. Both Jews and Praslites, Cretians and Arabians, we hear them telling in our own languages or tongues the mighty works of God. Well, to me, that tells me one they're still talking about languages. Meaning different languages like we would say today, French, German. Oh, what happened? Like everybody fell off French, German, Spanish, Mandarin. We would have all those languages that are represented just like they have there. So they heard them speaking in all of these different languages, right? So and they verify this. Now I've heard someone, you all heard me kind of get on on Alan Parr when he said that he thought that they weren't necessarily speaking in different languages. But they were just could have been saying anything. And that's when he said that mama say mama sama mama that whole Michael Jackson. Some of y'all might be too young for that particular song that was back in when music was good in the eighties. But his point was they could have been saying anything, but they were hearing them in their own languages. In other words, that it was more a gift of hearing than a gift of speaking, a gift of languages, which is silly because it's clear verse 11 and verse 4 tells that they were hearing them speaking in their own languages. So it seems clear so far that it is them speaking in different languages and the purpose of them speaking in these languages just so far from what Jesus said in John to what he said in Acts 1 to what's happening in Acts 2, so far Jesus has said that the Holy Spirit is going to come upon them and they're going to speak these different languages and what they're going to be saying in these languages is testifying about Jesus. In other words, giving the gospel. Does that seem like what I've said is on point so far? Guys? Yes. I missed that last part. What did you say? I'm saying does it seem like everything that I've said so far, everything that I've said, and I'll wait for them to kind of come back in, some of the connections are just a little bit off, but it's okay. We're going to work around. So anything what I was asking was does it seem like that what I explained just so far, because all we've read so far is just John in Acts. So far it seems like the Holy Spirit comes upon you and when the Holy Spirit comes upon you that you will speak in these languages, these different languages, and when you speak these different languages, it will be that you'll be speaking the gospel preaching Christ so far. Does that seem correct? Yes. Okay, cool. Now, we can't go into what... Yes, I've seen that as well. Okay. So now as we venture throughout Acts, Acts also tells us what's happening that different people are speaking these languages. Now, everybody does not speak in languages that became believers. And without going over all of them, what do I do with my notes? I want to cover this part. I think this part is actually very important. The Ethiopian eunuch gets saved. He doesn't speak in languages or tongues. In Acts 2, 40, 47, everyone doesn't speak in tongues or languages. In Acts 13, 12, the proconsul, he doesn't speak in languages or tongues. The jailer doesn't speak in languages or tongues. Lydia and her household, they don't speak in tongues or languages. And so it's clear that everyone in Acts who became a believer, Acts 13, 48, they didn't speak in tongues. Okay, so now it's clear that everybody who became a believer did not speak in these languages. So who did and why? Now, I'm going to tell you guys why I believe they spoke. There's two main reasons why we see them speaking in these languages. And two only. And see if you guys disagree with this. One, Jews were, what's the way of putting it? They were a bit racist, right? They were a bit, not racist but prejudicial. They favored Jews. They didn't like Samaritans, which were their own cousins. They didn't like the Romans. They didn't like other Gentiles. It was all about being Jewish. Well, God has always had a plan for non-Jews as well as Jews. He gives his word initially to Israel, but he's using Israel to bring other groups in, which is why when he talks about Abraham, he will be the father of nations. Plural. Well, Israel's one nation. So in order for it to be nations, there's got to be other nations brought in. So how is that going to happen when Jesus just said, you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria? Jerusalem and Samaria, and all Judea and Samaria, they pretty much speak the same language, right? They can understand each other. But it's just that when they get outside of Judea and Samaria, when you encounter people who don't speak your language, well, then how are you going to be a witness of Christ to them if they can't understand us? So therein lies a problem. Houston, we got a problem, right? Which God's solution is, I'm going to give you the gift of languages. To go and speak to them, which is just what happens on Acts 2. And so now we see them going, spreading the gospel. But he's got to do something else, though. He's got to make sure that there's not a divided church. A divided church. Well, we don't want to divide a church now, do we? We don't want to divide a church today. He didn't want it then. Well, the problem is, let's say, and we see this today now, where someone feels like that their Holy Spirit is better than the next person's Holy Spirit. Are you with me? And so if they're, because I'm more filled in the next person, I've got something to boast about. Well, God didn't want that. And so he was not going to have it that the Jews have the Holy Spirit. But the Samaritans, they could be saved, but not have the Holy Spirit. Or the Gentiles, they can be saved, but not have the Holy Spirit. He was not going to allow that to happen. And so under whose hands, under whose authority did the Jewish church receive the Holy Spirit? Under those apostles, right? The apostles. But then the next group that would receive the Holy Spirit would be the Samaritans. And so in Acts 8, Philip goes down to Samaria. They believe, but Acts 8 tells us they had not received the Holy Spirit. So Peter and John are dispatched. Why is that important? Well, one, because they are Jewish apostles who also gave witness to the rest of the Jews receiving the Holy Spirit. And they're also part of Jesus' intercourse. You know, how they had the, you had the seven and you had the twelve and you had the three. Peter, James and John. So here comes Peter and John down to Samaria. And under their hands, under their watch, under their authority, the Samaritans receive the Holy Spirit. Why is that important? Because now the Jews could not say, well, only we have the Holy Spirit. We're the only ones have the Holy Spirit. And even though Acts 7 specifically, that they spoke in languages, we have an idea that they did. Because Simon the Sorcerer wants to buy the gift. He sees what has just happened. He sees and hears what has just happened, which is now them speaking in these languages. So now he wants to dig deep in his pockets and go to buy this gift. And Peter rebukes him, says, boy, basically I'm paraphrasing, boy, you better get saved or you're going to hell. So now we've got the Jews have received the Holy Spirit. We know they have because they spoke in these languages. Then we have the Samaritans who received the Holy Spirit. They spoke in these languages. So now there's one more group of people that need to speak or need to receive the Holy Spirit, which is the Gentiles. Who Jews also don't like. So now we go to Acts 19 in Cornelius House. Now we see under the hands, under the authority of these apostles again, they received the Holy Spirit. So now the church in Jerusalem, which is very Jewish centric, there's an issue with them having to deal with. There's still this tension between the old covenant and what's happening now with them. But what they cannot do any longer is say only we have the Holy Spirit. The Jews have the Holy Spirit. They witnessed that. They witnessed the Samaritans and they witnessed the Gentiles. Now there is one other group that needs to receive the Holy Spirit and that's John's group. John's disciples still run around the countryside saying, repent for the kingdom of heaven at hand. And then they received the Holy Spirit. But in terms of different ethnic groups, the Jews, Samaritans and Gentiles. So that brings to the second reason why we have the Holy Spirit. I mean, tongues. One, so that everyone can hear the gospel in their languages. But then two, it would be a sign to the Jews that yeah, everyone is a believer just like us. It's not just, it's not just Jews, which is where this prophecy from Joel is fulfilled. Where he says that I will pour my flesh out on all flesh. I mean, my spirit out on all flesh. Well, he doesn't mean he's going to put a spirit out on every single solitary person there is. No, the word that's used there is pasropon, which means all each or every. So he's going to pull his spirit out on every flesh or every type of flesh. So Jews will get it. Gentiles will get it. Samaritans will get it. Every group will get it, but not everybody in that group. Are you all with me so far? You got you guys track with me so far? Yes, sir. Okay. So now those were the two reasons so that the gospel can be preached to different different people who have different languages, the different language barriers can be broken down by what God is doing. So so far, all we see if we run through acts just through acts. And I didn't go through the different the different passages because we're not going to have time to go through all of those unless you guys want to. If you guys want to go back to that then can if there's disagreement. But what we'll say is that so far all we see in acts are people receiving the Holy Spirit and different people groups speaking in languages and they being identified that the gospel was preached. Christ was magnified and the church was added to. Do any of you disagree with that so far with that assessment? No, no, no, sir. No, sir. I don't know. Not. It relates to the beginning. Now the issue is going to come up. No, sir. The issue is going to come up in this regard. Since all we see is them speaking to other people. So far, we don't ever see them speaking in these tongues to themselves. We don't see them praying in tongues to themselves. Okay. I see something. I mean, I know I would. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yes. So I would reference as I was listening to you as it relates to one who is speaking to tongues by themselves. The scripture of 1 Corinthians 14 verses one through three and it reads persula hold on. Hold on. Don't don't go there just yet. There's reason why I haven't gone there just yet. I can fix something. I know the one for hold on. Hold on. Give me a second because I'm hearing I'm hearing this. This feedback. I'm going to meet you guys for a second. Okay. I have no idea guys why this. This is coming in like that. All right. Oh, okay. I see what it is. All right. I'm going to pull you down some Jacob. We're getting feedback off of off of your channel. So what I'll do is when you when you when you're speaking, I'll have your volume up. But when you're not speaking, I'll go ahead and meet you. Okay. So so far though, before we go to acts, I'm not acts 1 Corinthians 14 or 12 or any of the passages. All I'm saying is so far just so far. All we have to go off of is somebody says charismatic potato chips in the background. All we have to go off so far. Yeah, you know what, Jacob? Try those and see if if you put those in if that'll work because the feedback is coming in from from you. But all we have so far is just people speaking in these languages to other people, right? To witness other people. So far, we don't have anyone speaking in languages to themselves. Now, somebody wants me out. And as a matter of fact, we need to go to that because somebody wants me to go to acts 238. So let's go there too. Hey, sir, I had something to say about that one. Go ahead. Well, I believe like the act, the Pentecost situation. If you look in 1 Corinthians 1421, it was a prophesied thing to Israel as far as like men of other tongues and other lips that'll speak to the. So that was just a prophecy being fulfilled from Isaiah 2811. So I think Pentecost itself is. I don't know if that would necessarily just explain all the tongues. I think it's just a prophetic thing to come to pass and to let Israel know like the state that they were in. So here's what happens. People will say they might be right. They might be wrong, but people will say that there are different types of tongues in the Bible. What happened on Pentecost and then what happened later, right? And that's kind of might maybe what you're what you're alluding to, right? The only issue is, though, we're going to have to have a scripture that tells us there's a difference between those and these right between acts, the acts tongues and what's going on in 1 Corinthians. OK, and so you might, you may very well be right. You may very well be right that there are there's probably two different types of tongues that are playing here that are being discussed here. But we're going to have to find a scripture to say so because here's what I think I found out. I think I've discovered that we jumped to 1 Corinthians 14 and misunderstood the point and purpose of Paul writing them and thinking that Paul was saying to do it this way. When we get to 1 Corinthians, we're going to find out that Paul is writing a letter of rebuke. He's not saying, guys, you're doing such a wonderful job. No, he's not saying that in 1 Corinthians at all. He didn't start off his letter that way. His issue is that there are these divisions in 1 Corinthians. I mean, the church of Corinth. And so he also covers that as it relates to these tongues and these languages. But before we get there, let's just stay focused on this. We're going to get to 1 Corinthians. OK, we're also going to go over Romans 8 as well that gets brought up as well. OK, so that being said, let's go to Acts 2. Jacob, that sounds much better. Can you hear us? OK. Yes, sir. That was so much better. Let's go to Acts 2.38. Someone wants me to cover that, which we should. He says, And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now what some people have wanted to say is that we've got, and of course, the person whose whose name shall remain nameless or unnamed and other folks as well. They will say that you will in this case, you have three different actions and they will tie this into they will tie this into Mark 1616 and 1718 that they will those that believe will speak in these languages again. It is a highly, highly, highly disputed text. Mark 16, the latter half is you won't find very many scholars. You might find one or two. I haven't I haven't found one. Well, I take it back. I can't say that there are. There are some scholars who think that it probably does belong but the overwhelming majority of scholars of those who make their living on textual criticism. In other words, looking at the text and trying to determine does it belong or not because here's the truth, guys. And this is why this is why this kind of stuff kind of matters. Every writing that everything that was ever written in the past doesn't belong in the Bible. I mean, if someone wrote a bill of sales or someone will wrote a letter to their to their to their to their wife doesn't belong in the Bible. Even if a person wrote something about what occurred in the Bible doesn't belong in the Bible. Right. And so you got to remember how a lot of Bibles matter Bible was written off of a hand copy. And so because we find one doesn't necessarily mean that it was part of the canon because if I write something I can turn and also add to it on my own. And it was never intended for anyone else to find or read. It was just my own personal reading, but someone unearthed it and decided, you know what? Here's a passage right here. Let's put that in. And so for those reasons are passages that that textual critics would say don't belong in. So now so far though as we've as we stated though all all we have to go off of is what we see in acts to I mean in acts chapter two and acts one and in John 15 that's all we've got to go off of. Right. So now you all would believe I know Anthony you were kind of looting to this Betty or Jacob. Do you think that also that there's a difference between the tongues that were spoken in acts and the tongues that are spoken in let's say first Corinthians 14 or any other time? No, sir. Okay. No, sir. I think the the acts and Corinthians first Corinthians 14 and acts are talking about the same thing. Okay. Okay. Now, what do you say Betty? Do you think those are the same two types of tongues? I really don't know. So I would say yes, because as you alluded to there aren't any scriptures that separates the two. Yeah. Um, so now hold on somebody says, uh, okay, something else. Okay. So the word and further confirmation of what we're talking about is that the word that's used here for tongues is the word Glossos or Glossis and it's always referenced one of two things. It's either reference the actual tongue in our mouth or it's referencing a language. We don't have any examples of it referencing some unknown language and the reason why that I said the word unknown language is because Paul, we're going to find out is addressing a problem with tongues. Okay. And that they are speaking this unknown language and Paul is rebuking and correcting them for this unknown tongue, which is why maybe in the King James version it states unknown tongue. We'll look at that in just a second. But now I want to go over another passage that gets brought up and I want to see what you guys think about this passage. I'm going to read it and then let you guys tell me what it says. Romans 826 gets brought up a lot and says likewise, the spirit helps us in our weakness for we do not know what to pray for as we ought. But the spirit himself intercedes for us with growing too deep for words. So what do you guys think about that passage? What does this passage say to you? Does that indicate the use of tongues or how do you see it? No, I don't really see tongues in that passage personally. What about you, Jacob? I'm sorry. Go ahead, Betty. Go ahead. No. No, sir. I was going to say neither do I. I wouldn't reference that scripture for tongues. Okay. People say that with these groanings too deep for words and they will try to elaborate on it as that's the spirit speaking through us for us. But if you notice it says too deep for words, it says in many of your versions say with groanings that cannot be uttered and the word is used there is this word right here that I'm highlighting. This word is not moist and what is it's an inner groaning. It's an inward sighing. And so the word itself that's used means that it's not verbalized, it didn't come out of your mouth. And so that cannot be referring to tongues, right? So anyway, so far. Absolutely. We've gotten through John. We've gotten through Acts. We're in Romans. So so far we don't have any scriptures stating that the language, I mean the gift of tongues is anything one but a language and two is witnessing and three is for other people. We don't have an example of tongues being spoken with with someone by themselves. There's no audience, right? So let's keep moving now. Let's go to the bigger where I believe people begin to kind of fall off. Remember Paul. Let's go to 1 Corinthians. We'll start off in 12. Paul is writing the church in Corinth to correct some things. Now this isn't his first letter to Paul. I mean to to Corinth. But here he is. He's writing. This might have been the second letter. Might have been his third letter. We don't know. But he references an earlier letter as well. Okay. But he's talking about there being divisions and course in chapter one, he asks, I wish that there would be no divisions among you. I've been told that you've got these divisions and he says in doing so you guys are behaving like me or men. One says I'm of this person. I'm of that person of that person. He says you all just being carnal. And getting rid of division as it relates to the whole body as it relates to marriage. And then when we get to chapter 12. Now this could be either because they wrote him regarding they wrote him regarding particular issue regarding spiritual issues. Or he's just saying also with this. Oh, by the way, regarding spiritual gifts. And so let's go to chapter 12. And I'm going to ask you if you all have seen the same thing I'm seeing. He says for now concerning spiritual gifts. Brothers, I do not want you to be informed. Now the word that he used there for spiritual gifts. It doesn't actually say the word spiritual gifts. It just says pneumaticon, which can be translated or used as spiritual gifts or referred to spiritual gifts, but he's really just saying pneumaticon. Spiritual things. But now concerning spiritual things, brother. Look what he says. I don't want you to be ignorant or uninformed. Right. He says, you know that when you were pagans or unbelievers, you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. Therefore, I want you to understand that no one speaking in the spirit of God ever says Jesus occurs and no one can say Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit. So now I want to ask you guys, what do you think that Paul is getting at in this in this passage here? If you want me to put back on the screen, I can put it back on the screen as well from verse one. I think he's trying to help him. Well, from what I see, it's like he's trying to help them. I guess decipher or discern whether they're operating in the right spirit. What do you mean? Because he's saying that no one can say the Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. You know, some people, I guess they other spirits that they operate in. He's basically saying if you're in right standing with God, you can't call Jesus accursed. He's saying that once before they were pagans and they were carried away. I mean, because I think like today there's a lot of misuse of the spiritual things. So it, I guess the inability to really declare Jesus is Lord by the Holy Spirit is a way to discern where you stand. I don't know. It's kind of like what I'm seeing in that. Okay. What about you, Betty? How do you take that? Yes, so I was, I would lean more towards it maybe being a little bit of division in the Corinthian church for him to say that no one can speak unless it is by the Holy Spirit because when you look at the scriptures, the reference scriptures that below, that is below that and it takes you to Mark nine, nine and thirty nine and then other verses and in those texts it is referring to where Jesus is letting the disciples know that, you know, if anyone confesses that I am Lord then they, you know, then they are a believer because no one can do that except by the Holy Spirit. That's my take. Okay. They were some of them operating in the wrong spirit. So let me ask you this, guys. When he says no one ever says Jesus is a cursed, why would he bring that up? Well, some of them were being controlled by demons apparently and they were prophesying and teaching. Yeah, based on experience and not content. So yeah, I can agree with you saying it seems like they were not operating in the unity of spirit. Go ahead, Jacob. Can you hear Jacob? Okay. Sorry about that. I'm having these phone issues. I do apologize. I'm sorry. Okay. But when Paul was talking about this here, no one can speak that Jesus Christ's Lord except by the Holy Spirit and no one can say that or him being a curse, what you have here on the screen, we got to understand that I think in this Corinthian church here, what was going on, which Paul had to do a lot in his ministry, was to go back and fix what other people were messing up. He would preach one thing and then some other person, somebody else would come around behind him and preach some bad doctrine behind him and then he would have to come back and correct that. So then he was saying here, I believe that no one can say that Jesus's Lord or no one speaking by the Spirit of God would call Jesus a curse. No one speaking with the Holy Spirit in him could ever say these things about Jesus Christ. No one with the Holy Spirit in them could say Jesus was anything but Holy that he was the Messiah, that he was the Christ, that he is Lord, that he is God in the flesh. Anyone not saying this is saying that it is fraudulent. They do not have the Spirit in them. I think that's what Paul was saying here. Okay. Go ahead, Betty. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, sir. Yes, sir. And then another thing that I noted is that if you look at the context, it appears is that Paul mentioned their background for a reason in their past pagan worship. And it appears is that maybe some of the individuals in the church were concerned that the language that they were speaking, that they were believing to be tongues, that maybe some of the Corinthians believed that they were cursing Jesus in those tongues. Or in that language that they were using. And so Paul went on to assure them that no one speaking in the Spirit of God can ever curse God. So maybe it was some form of reassurance that there is some form of division. Yeah, I know that some of you guys have come from a pagan or an idolatrous background. But if you do have the true language or the true language of tongues, then don't fear that they may be putting a curse on Jesus or putting a curse on you because no one will ever be able to curse Jesus who truly is filled with the truth of the Holy Spirit. Okay. Now, here's what I think. You guys tell me if, not necessarily if you agree, but if at least sort of makes sense. So Paul says concerning these spiritual gifts or spiritual things, he's speaking specifically of spiritual gifts, right? And the context or the use of spiritual gifts. Now the whole letter is about that there be unity and no divisions. Now we're going to read later how he's speaking about how there's been these divisions as a result of different spiritual gifts. One person has this gift. Another person has that gift. Someone has that gift. And what's happened is there's this desiring of certain gift. Someone made a hierarchy of certain gifts. This gift is better than that gift, better than that gift, better than that gift, right? And we're going to see that later as he talks about the different gifts as well as he makes an analogy using the body, the eye and the ear, the feet and the hands. And so what I see happening here is Paul saying, I want you guys to be ignorant concerning spiritual gifts because what's happening is this. I know you guys were, when you were pagans, you were led astray to mute idols. But it's therefore I don't, I want you to understand that no one speaking and he emphasizes the word speaking, la lone, which is excuse me, a present active parts of social, so whoever it is they're speaking. And he seems to be speaking about brethren who have the spiritual gift. So he seems to be saying that Christians can do something ignorantly or uninformed, which is why he says, I do not want you to be uninformed or to be ignorant. So to me, it seems as though he's referring to them speaking and unintentionally or ignorantly or uninformed in an uninformed or ignorant fashion saying that Jesus is a curse. Just like you also say that Jesus is Lord, the Holy Spirit says that, by that same Holy Spirit, are you also saying Jesus is a curse? Well, wait a minute, Paul. Who in the world is saying Jesus is a curse? Ah, here's who. The people who, and I thought this is where you were going with it, Betty, those people who are saying words that have no clue, no idea what you're saying. This unlearned, this unlearned, this unintelligible, this almost ecstatic babbling that you're doing. Why would they be speaking in a language that they have no idea what it is, almost like a gibberish? Why? Because that was present in where? In their pagan culture. They would do that thinking that they were touching the spiritual world. Because in pagan culture, not the Christian culture, they would do that. You would have this gibberish in some of these pagan cultures. And so, remember, these aren't Jews he's speaking to. These are Gentile believers. And so, these Gentile believers, which is why he says that when you were pagans, however you were led astray by these mute idols, now some of you guys are thinking that this is what you ought to be doing because you've heard other people speaking these languages. And so, because you desire it and you want to do it, you do it, but you do it in the incorrect fashion and you do this babbling. And oh, by the way, as you're doing it, it's being heard that you guys are saying, Jesus is a curse in whatever little babbling you're doing because maybe you accidentally said an actual language. Now, here's why I think he's saying that. And this is why the whole rebuke is coming in. He goes on to, let's go to chapter, I mean, verse four. He says, hold on one second, Elizabeth, come to the email. I mean, come to the thing, check your email. I've sent you the link. Okay. There was some person else who was supposed to be in. And she didn't get the link. So Elizabeth, go ahead and go to your email and click the link. Okay. Now, verse four. In verse four, he says, now there are varieties of gifts but the same spirit. There are varieties of service but the same Lord. There are varieties of activities but it's the same guy who empowers them. I'm sorry, who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the spirit for the common good. So let's stop there for a second. Verse seven says each is given the manifestation of the spirit for who, for what, for the common good. Now, some versions might say for the benefit of others. So this kind of coincides with what Jesus was telling the disciples and how we saw languages being used in acts. We saw people speaking in languages to who to themselves. No, to other people for their good. And what did it do? It built up the church. So far, all we've ever seen were languages that were used to build up the church for other people. We haven't seen so far. So far, we have not seen an example of languages being used for the benefit of one's self. Are you with me? Can everybody agree with me on that? We've never seen an example of tongues being used for other people. Okay. Again, Elizabeth, Asia, go ahead and go to the email so I can send you the link. So can I go ahead? I'm sorry, go ahead. No, sir. So I was going to add one thing at every place is to use that Corinthians maybe had a continued on with their babelins, which as you mentioned, that's what they did in other cultures in pagan cultures, which in Paul may have been kind of rebuke in them. But when you think about it, every gift and every most things that Christ has done for the believer, Satan has in some way perverted. And so just there truly was a language that they were speaking. But some of the believers may have been getting mixed up in the babelins, but that still does not negate the fact that there were believers in the Corinthians church who did have that gift and who did utilize that gift and use it to the glory of God. But again, whenever you see true believers, there's going to be, you know, tears mixed in with them that's going to try to pervert what God has given, a good gift that God has given us. Okay, well, I'm going to show you guys let me get this straight first. I'm going to show you guys where and how, let me grab this young lady. Wait a second, where? Okay. Elizabeth, just come, just email me to Smart Christian channel at Gmail and I'll give you the link, okay? If you don't see, just email me at Smart Christian channel at Gmail and I will send you the link. She was supposed to be on here as well. So anyway, a little mix up there. So, that being said, I'm going to show you guys... I don't think I see that. Yeah, I'm going to show you guys where when we go to 14, who Paul is referring to, he's referring to Christians who are just doing something that is referring to them speaking in a babbling that they're not supposed to. And he's going to even tell them why they're speaking in this babbling because they want to. But so far, verse 7 tells us that the point of these languages, the point of these gifts are for the benefit of the whole church, not for you. Now, he's going to, matter of fact, let's keep going in... Let's talk about verse 8. For to one is given the spirit of utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same spirit, and to another faith by the same spirit to another gifts of healing by one spirit. And so, he's talking about all these different gifts they're given by the spirit. And so, let's think verse 10. To another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, or various kinds of tongues with orders, which is languages to another various kinds of languages. Okay? So, then he says all these are empowered by one and the same spirit who are portions to each one individually as his will. So, number one, let them guys know that, guys, whatever spirit you have is given by the Holy Spirit as he wills, not as you will. Now, look what he says in verse 12, and this is important. For just as the body is one and has many members, all the members of the body, though many are one body, so it is with Christ. For in one spirit, we were all baptized into one body. Jews, Greeks, slaves are free. We all made the drink of the same spirit. Verse 14. For the body is not consist of one member, but many. If the foot should say because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body, that would make it I'm sorry, that would not make it any less part of the body. And if the ear should say because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body, that would not make it any less part of the body. So, he's going on to say, let me give this link to her, he's going on to say that every part of the body is important. Okay, you all with me on that. Whether it's the hand, whether it's the foot, doesn't matter, you all are important. No one part of the body is any less or any more important. Well, the problem is happening here and we'll see this. You all know this to be true. Oftentimes, we can all be part of something, let's say, I don't know if any of you all have ever been in a choir. The person that's leading the song, maybe the person that's on the piano or the organ, we might think that person is the more anointed or more blessed person, then let's say the guy that's playing the tambourines, right? Or the guys, the people in the background singing. And so, a little bit of flesh comes in, but people desire to be something in the spirit, spiritually speaking. So, the same thing happens here, that people are desiring certain gifts. We know they're desiring certain gifts because Paul is going to address them desiring certain gifts. He says, verse 18, but as it is, God has arranged, God has arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single member, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts of the body, yet one body. So, his point is that all these different members of the body, they must be different. We all can't have the exact same gift, we all can't have the same function. Now, I want to drop down to the latter portion of this, and let's see, here we go. And I'll bring you in just a little bit, Elizabeth. Drop down to the latter portion and it says, verse 28, and God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helpings, administration, and various kinds of language. Again, so far, so far, all we know that tongues are are various types of languages, various types of tongues, right? That's all we've seen. We haven't seen tongues to be anything but languages, known languages, and we've only seen them being distributed or used for other people, for the benefit of the common good. Like he said in verse 7, he said, are all apostles? No, are all prophets? Are all teachers? No. Do all work miracles? No. And obviously I'm adding no, but it's an obvious no. Do all possess the gifts of healing? No. Do all speak with tongues? No. Do all interpret? No. Look what he says, earnestly desire the higher gifts. Wait a minute, wait a minute. How can you talk about earnestly desiring the higher gifts if you just told us that the Holy Spirit gives these gifts as he desires? So why would you say, to desire the higher gifts? Well, the greater, or some of your verses may say the greater gift. Well, the greatest gift Paul talks in 1 Corinthians, I'm sorry not 1 Corinthians, Timothy, that whatever our gift is, fulfill our ministry as an evangelist. So keeping in line what Jesus says when the Holy Spirit comes in you, what are you going to do? You are going to testify or give a witness of him. You're not going to give a witness of testimony about yourself. Lord, I'm so this, I'm so that. No, it is for the benefit of other folks. We don't ever have a problem with worrying about getting enough shine for ourselves. As a matter of fact, Paul said the opposite, not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought to. So thinking highly of ourselves, that's not something we really have to worry about doing by and large. I know some folks struggle with depression and things like that, but for the most part worrying about us is not an issue. Worrying about others, that's the issue. Because what does Jesus say? The two things, the two commandments that fulfill everything. Love, love who? Love God with all your heart, mind, body and soul, and then love who else? Everybody. Everybody enable. Exactly. Everyone else, not you. So is that in keeping with these spiritual gifts to build up the body, not yourself? Love shows itself in building up the body. Why do I bring in love? Because what comes after 12? 13. Love. And so what is chapter 13? Number 13. The great love chapter. And so this is what he's going to say. And this is where people take this interpretation and they go left with it. First Corinthians chapter 13 right off the bat. It says, if I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I have not love, am I a noisy? I am sorry, a noisy gong so I got to ask you guys this question. You tell me what you think. By the way, hello Elizabeth, can you hear as well? Hi, I can. I am so sorry that I'm late. I had a mix up with time and I am not that computer savvy. So I'm here though. Listen, you got your airplane pilot thing on with your microphone wherever. Yes, this is for work. I use this for work. It works. It works. So where are you from? I'm from North Carolina. Okay, cool. Let me ask you guys this question. When Paul says if I speak in the tongues or languages of men and of angels, what does that mean to you guys? Hyperbole. Who said hyperbole? Is that you Jacob? Right here. What do you say Betty? I completely agree. I believe that he used the reference of tongues but then he went as far as to say even if I spoke with the language of an angel and Paul is known for doing this. He's known for kind of throwing in some sort of sarcasm in a way because obviously there's no mention in scripture of angels actually having a language but what I was, I wanted to say one other thing if it's okay. Go ahead. As it relates to chapter 12 I believe that the reason why Paul said that we aren't to earnestly desire all the things that he mentioned because those were mainly outward working like fleshly. Those are gifts that people can kind of glorify themselves with but when he talked about desire and love that is something the Holy Spirit brought in a believer's heart and I think that's the disconnect with tongues as well because so many people desire that because it kind of gives them a boost that's I can speak in tongues or I have the gifts of healing but then they lack love. So he mentioned these and then he went on to chapter 13 and starts off like look if I can speak in tongues and speak but if I lack love then am I truly a believer? So I mean that is why I believe that he admonished us to earnestly desire the higher gifts because you can't fake love. You can pretend but there's only so long after so long the fruit of that is going to manifest itself. They're going to know if you truly have this higher gifting of love and kindness and other things that are mentioned in Galatians 5 so I believe I don't think that Paul was speaking against not desiring tongues and having other gifts because God gives us gifts but he does not want us to desire that in a way because he knows that man desires most times things in their corneral nature that is going to give them some sort of elevation. Anybody else? I do think it's a figure of speech but I also do think that there is angelic language. Why? Well I feel that way because of what the scripture says and especially like in Acts I feel that that is angelic language that was spoken in Acts I also feel that he Hold on hold on hold on Elizabeth. I know I've already talked about this. It's okay it's okay. What scripture are you referring to that caused you to think that this might be or believe that this is or that there is a such thing as angelic language? Okay so when the Holy Spirit fell in the book of Acts and they spoke in other languages I know that some people would say that they spoke in languages that were angelic languages and that's one way to look at it but I know some people also look at it as the Holy Spirit's power is what allowed them to hear their languages so it's also like a work of the Holy Spirit to translate those languages so that's why I was saying I think that it could have been an angelic language and Alright let's hold on for a second and what we'll do then is for everyone there are some folks that are also coming in that may not have caught the first part so let's go back to it and let's see because one of the things that the person whose name should remain nameless who will respond to you in an email but won't actually debate the person won't talk to a person that person up there in Chicago, y'all know what I'm talking about one of the things that he said he complained about the fact that as he's heard people speak other languages he's never once said that who would have ever called that saying that they were drunk so they must have had a sound that sounded like they were drunk slurring or babbling okay that was his contingent so now let's go to that passage back to Acts 2 and let's see one let's see if he has a point on why would anyone ever think that is some sort of babbling or drunken speech or slurred speech and also were they actually speaking the languages or were they actually hearing it let's go and see back to Acts 2 and to your point Elizabeth says as they were filled the entire house where they were sitting in verse 3 and divided tongues as a fire appeared to them and wrestled each one of them so what was on them these tongues of fire but that doesn't make the point but here's the point that's made and they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to do what they began to speak in other tongues and the word the Greek word that's used there is the word Heteris which is again where we get the word Heteros right here Heteris and then Glossis so it's clear they are speaking other languages and who caused them to speak in these other languages the Holy Spirit now the people that were hearing them they came and they were they were bewildered because look at verse 6 because each one was hearing them yet now they were hearing which makes sense but what were they hearing them they were hearing them the word Lalontun which is they were speaking in their Edea own electos which is the same as language so they heard them speaking each in their own languages right so they even verify that they were speaking then look what it says in verse 7 are not all these who are speaking so he's speaking about these what they're doing is come out of their mouth but look at verse 11 both Jews proselytized creaking Arabians we hear them telling telling there's a word again Lalontun which is speaking in our own languages matter of fact not our own languages but I don't want to I was going to make a part of this and I shouldn't but out of their own Glossis languages so it's clear Elizabeth that they weren't hearing them in a different language they wouldn't like they were saying something in the spirit maybe in the angelic language but they were the spirit causing to hear it in their own language no they were literally speaking different languages it was like if the five of us got up and went somewhere and there were 10, 12, 13, 14, 15 different languages that people would hear us literally speaking French you're over there Betty speaking French Elizabeth you're speaking German Anthony you're speaking Arabic are you with me that's what was happening here and they heard them speaking now it could have been that the very sound of it sounded like they were slurring their speech but let's look and see who actually said that they thought that they were drunk verse 13 but others mocking said they are filled with new wine so who said they were filled with wine the people that were there to mock the people that were there to make fun of them so we're not talking about any legitimate or serious person any serious critique the people that said they were drunk or mocking them these were they were filled with wine these were mockers well that makes sense because when you go out and you share the gospel everybody that hears it is not going to be on a court with God you're going to have some guys making fun of you there's in the room the clown in the room the fool who said there is no God you'll have him there and so that's what we have there's these mockers show up which makes sense sometimes you're going to have the mockers inside the church as well and so what I'm saying to you Elizabeth is that matter of fact what I did not do I've got to put your name up here what I did not do what I'm saying to you is that if we're going to say that it may have been a different language or an angelic language or a scripture right here's the one thing and remember guys can I say something go ahead jump in if you guys want to jump in go ahead jump in well the reason why I say it's angelic is because there are a group of people all speaking at the same time I don't know about you but I've been in crowded places and hear all sorts of people speaking at the same time and I couldn't make out one really intelligible sentence when I hear a bunch of people speaking at the same time so that's why I'm saying it has to be something angelic it has to be the work of the Holy Spirit that they would even hear be able to hear in their own languages people speaking of God if you think about the actual mechanics of it I do good amen let me ask you this what size is your church it's a big church small church medium church what this church is pretty big they have a few services perfect perfect we're balling down the same alley when you show up in the sanctuary before the service starts what's happening people are talking now if I stayed in the background I can't discern what all these folks are talking about it sounds like a bunch of noise but aren't they talking to somebody and the person they're talking to understands who is talking to them and what they're saying right and in this case they're all talking English so it's possible to be but I can't understand them and I'm there it would take an act of the Holy Spirit because they're not talking to you but when someone starts talking to you so let's say you're in that crowd also and let's say Betty is talking to you right y'all said they were talking about what happened last week or yesterday what's going to happen and I jump in I walk in the room I can hear all these sounds including you and Betty talking I can't make it out I can hear a sound but I can't make it out but if I walk closer it doesn't say that they're talking to them it says that they're proclaiming in their language and they hear it but it doesn't say that they're directly talking to this person let's go back and look and see it literally does say they're talking to them let's go back and look again and they're speaking in their language just a second sorry it says where we at they began to speak in other languages so we can't discount this part right here other languages or a headerized low size which is these other languages so they began so just by that version by that verse it says they are speaking other languages and then let's see where it says if they're speaking them to them and if this sound came together and we were bewildered because each one was hearing them speak his own language well who's speaking his own language too yes they're hearing it but they're not speaking it to them that's what the that's the beauty of the Holy Spirit here who's language are they speaking they're hearing their language who's language but they're speaking praises to God okay the issue is gonna be right here where we talk about who's language is are they speak are they speaking in are you there Elizabeth can you hear me here yeah I can hear you okay okay the issue is going to be when they're speaking whose language are they speaking in their own language are they speaking in the language of the hearers here's how we know they're speaking in the language of the hearers this word right here in its own language this word idea um it is to the person who is hearing because it is in the the dative if it were in the genitive which is means it's possessive meaning it will refer to the person who's speaking in my language if I were speaking to you it would be in the genitive which means I'm speaking my own language to you but no it's in the dative which means I'm speaking your language to you now let's see if it if it makes it even clearer how's the week let's go back to the passage again so he says and how is it that we we hear each of us in his own language and so he goes to the list of them we hear them telling in our own language the mighty works of God so who's he telling to who are they who are they speaking these these mighty things to God too they're speaking to them I don't I don't take it that way I take it as they're testifying their praising that's how I'm taking that I don't hear it as they're telling it to them and then when the other people heard them talking they're like oh no they're just drunk like why didn't they hear anything and in their own language like there's people that weren't affected by the Holy Spirit like there are people that didn't get that gifting that weren't when they were speaking those apostles that were speaking what language were they speaking in the apostles those that were speaking in these languages what language were they speaking in isn't it Greek we heard them speaking other languages Arabic and they go through a list of different languages but there are some people that didn't hear it in their language and they were mocking I think that if they heard it in their language they wouldn't mock and get that Holy Spirit didn't touch them to hear it to understand it here's what it here's what's clear one every last one of those men were speaking in a different language okay because it says that now what it doesn't tells us is let's say after let's say Thomas is speaking a language and he's speaking a language to these groups of people to these people from me right he's speaking to them he may stop once he's through with them and then go over and speak to the Christians it doesn't necessarily say that he was speaking that the entire crowd came at the exact same time and they spoke to every last one I'm pretty sure they weren't standing right beside each other but it could have been that I went to this group this apostle went to that group this apostle went to that group and began speaking and maybe once they were through they went together now we don't get all the details given to us all we do know is this that these apostles they were speaking in the languages of the people that were hearing them we hear them speaking in our language so I'm hearing them speaking in my language she's hearing speaking in her language he's hearing them speak in his language that part is clear just by the by the construct and for some reason my computer my Siri is horrible is asking me what I want to say I don't know why I just clicked on all of a sudden all this time I've heard Siri voice since I bought this computer now she want to ask me what I want anyway so it's clear that they are speaking in languages or else they would not have used the word heteroise glossize other languages so they are speaking out of their mouth and they're hearing in their language because think about it why can't it be that God just if a person if you got all these folks that speak French Spanish German English Italian why can't God just give them the ability to speak those different languages because guess what God did in the first place all those people that speak in those languages who gave them the who gave them those languages God did when when did God give them those languages Tower of Babel Tower of Babel remember remember what he said he told them to be fruitful and to multiply well what do they do they don't want to go through all the world and really just spread his glory they didn't do that they decide we're going to chill right here we're going to kick it right here matter of fact we're going to build this big old monument to our greatness so what does God do he comes down and confounds their languages in different languages and they spread out well did God ever change his mind about wanting to fill the world with his glory no so what does he do to do that give them all a common language no he keeps them with their same languages that he gave in the first place but just gave other people the ability to speak to them in their languages so now the whole world can be full of his glory and his and his testimony I'm sorry of what he's done okay so now but Betty you're going to say something also yes yes sir I think because we're kind of like going this way I think the thing the confusion is that Elizabeth referenced that she believes that angels have a certain language and she went back to X too I think that we have to be very careful when we say things like there's angelic tones and things like that because for one scripture doesn't reference that and two the bible does give us context on what angels were for and they were messengers we see that throughout Daniel throughout the Old Testament and they came in dreams to warn people and things like that and there wasn't a separate language well the scripture I don't know if it is but what I will say is that the scripture doesn't say it so we don't want to add that and I think I understand what Elizabeth is saying it's just her terminology and because the scripture isn't clear that the angels have a certain language we can't just assume that Paul is actually saying that the angels you know if an angel came speaking something else so I think that's just where we need to kind of and I think what I was saying is it's an angelic language not necessarily the language of the angels so maybe I didn't explain it the best way but I do believe that there are angelic languages yes I do what were you going to say Jacob well she pretty much just cleared it up but I was thinking that I like for Elizabeth I definitely get what you're coming from that there was a special hearing on their end I get that but in order the way I see it in order for you to get that from the scripture you would have to I suggest that you would have to read that into there because you don't necessarily pull that out of there the scripture doesn't actually push forth that view you kind of respectfully you kind of hear that when you read it but is that what the author intended you to get from it or is that what your mind reading it that's what you got from it there's a difference because I could tell you one thing and you could say I heard you but it came across this way and I could say no that's not what I meant so you can read something and pull something out of it that the author didn't necessarily intend that is not to say that there isn't some type of angelic speaking or angelic language however the bible doesn't okay he froze up on me but here's the point because and I'm not sure I guess still sure what what you mean by angelic language are you saying that the sound of it was the sound that languages I mean that angels speak or it was just a heavenly a heavenly yeah divine that's what I meant like divine and heavenly and angelic that's what I meant so I'm sorry I wasn't clear on that and I do love the feedback I appreciate it okay so now what people have said though is that okay Mr. K that you see that that there that there is this angelic sounding language and like Betty said we don't have any example of someone speaking any language other than the person that they're speaking to when angels speak so now I know this is hypothetical in speech that Paul is not meaning to say that he has an angelic type of language to be able to speak because what he says immediately after that hello okay he says if I have all prophetic power and understand all mysteries and all knowledge and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains but I do not have love I am nothing now Paul's point is not to say that there is an angelic language Paul's point is if I could have some sort of angelic language mysterious language what have you well we know he's speaking hypothetically because it also says another analogy that he uses if I have all prophetic powers which he doesn't if he understands all mysteries and knowledge was which he doesn't if he has all faith so as to remove mountains we know he doesn't here's the guy that he had enough faith but his faith wasn't enough to get rid of the thorn in the flesh that he prayed for three times he didn't have all of these powers okay so he's just saying his point is that if I could have the greatest array of power it didn't matter if I don't have love which is kind of covering his whole point the whole point of every spiritual gift that's ever been given is not for you individually it's for the benefit of everyone else so far up to this point we don't have an example not one example going into as we get ready to go into 1 Corinthians 14 we don't have one example not one of a spiritual gift being used on the person themselves we have examples of them using them for other people as Paul says in verse 7 of 12 for the benefit of the common good for everyone else right and that goes in what Jesus says the point of the Holy Spirit is going to be to testify of him not to talk about my goodness and not to show off my so-called apostolic power or Holy Ghost power or whatever you is to build up the body right so so far let me and I want to make sure we're on this point before I go forward do you all see an example of any spiritual gifts being used to build up one's own self well no I just I mean can I say something real quick it looks like this building blocks so like for 12 he's showing them like hey you guys want you to do this but make sure you're operating in one spirit Holy Spirit because they had counterfeit spirits in their congregation I'm assuming and then he's showing them that they all had a part to play and they shouldn't be all trying to be the same person and then you know 13 he's kind of bringing it all together like love is the greatest gift so you guys involved in stuff but if you're not unified and the body Christ and all trying to benefit from one another it means nothing and then 14 it seems like he starts kind of like breaking it down more as far as like what tongue goes the tongues go and okay but but what I'm saying is before we get to 14 before we get to 14 nothing so far so so far we have never in the history of the Bible until we get chapter 14 we'll leave 14 to the side for now but so far have we ever seen a spiritual gift given for the edification the building up of the individual we don't we don't have that do we no sir you all does anyone know of any tech matter of fact even you guys in the chats do you know of any example of a spiritual gift where the person with the spiritual gift has used that gift for themselves and rather than the benefit of others we are there's no such thing right so now that has to be kept in mind when we go to verse to 14 okay remember when we go back when we go to 14 as a matter of fact Paul is going to reiterate that two more times in chapter 14 okay so so far we've got an idea of how God is working it's the very same God who is not withholding his love just for himself but for others and so this this demonstration he gives us we do likewise so now let's get ready to go in matter of fact let me read the last portion I won't camp on the part that gives a whole lot of controversy I'll leave that along as far as whether these gifts have ceased or not we'll put that to the side well you know what no no no no I'll deal with it right now as a matter of fact people have stated that certain gifts have ceased I am open to every last one of the gifts being around why because we've got a blueprint we've got a we've got a manual to tell us how the gifts are to be used so if a guy says he has a gift of casting out demons or the gift of healing or the gift of town well okay fine fine does it look like what the Bible says because if it doesn't you're a lie in a fraud right so we don't have to worry about this person saying I've got the gift of tongues and doesn't line up with scripture because if it doesn't you're a fraud you're a lie goodbye go sit down and so we don't have to overcompensate because someone is so far to the left with their with their manifestation of the spirit that we go too far to the right and shut down everything Paul does come on and say that do not forget do not forget tongues now does that did he have a certain time frame don't know now here's the other thing if the people who are saying that tongues have ceased well which tongues are you talking about think about this for a second if tongues means languages and they do how could they have ceased how could the gift of languages have ceased unless you're talking about someone being being endowed with the ability to speak in these different languages supernaturally okay fine well I do know that there are some people and again I'm not taking a stand one way or the other I'm just saying open it up that there are people on the planet still who we don't speak to who we kind of kept them isolated we know and I forget the name of this little island where these people are still living what if someone wants to go speak the gospel to them they need to be able to speak their language right and so I'm saying this if a person wants to say that wants to be kind of guarded about languages about tongues we've got the manual to see how they are supposed to handle themselves how they're supposed to do it now that being said let's go to the end of chapter 13 where he says for let's see verse 13 now faith hope and love abide these three but the greatest of these is what the greatest is guys love right so if the greatest is love wait a second what just happened okay if the greatest is love that goes in with what he's trying to couple all this in with love love love whatever you do do it out of the benefit of love and what does love compels do that Paul said it compels us to share the gospel why was Jesus giving the Holy Spirit to share the gospel and his two great commandments love the guy with all your heart and then also like it love your neighbors now now let's go into the big part now Paul is again correcting them so let's keep it in mind what we're talking about he's writing to the church to correct bad behavior right he's writing the church to correct bad behavior so far tongues are a language and it's to be for the benefit of others to spread the gospel so we've got these four things there right oh by the way oh by the way do we ever have an issue of a person speaking do we is there ever a passage in the bible where a person spoke in these languages not at the hand of an apostle I'll wait somebody somebody if you can find it out do we have an example in the bible where someone spoke in an example I mean spoke in these languages not under the hand of an apostle can you all think of an example and I'm looking on the chats too I might be wrong I might have missed it but is there an example of someone speaking in these languages but it wasn't at the hand of an apostle anybody I mean when within this church when this church of speaking in tongues he was just writing to them about their usage of tongues no remember he's not writing about their usage of it he's writing them about their misuse of it I mean how they're misusing it as far as giving them order so there's a church standing alone their utilization he's writing to them to correct how they're using tongues in their congregation because it looks like they were using it in the wrong fashion or yeah and so I'm sorry go ahead I wasn't saying that sir okay so now let's go ahead I'm sorry go ahead go ahead no sir so I was wondering so do you what is your stance so do you not believe that individuals have that have the gift of tongues can speak in tongues privately do you believe that that there is no that there is no no way that you can be able to justify someone let's just say praying in their closet speaking in tongues do you not believe that that is something because honestly even though I know we're building up to see if this is us to find a scripture finding a text in scripture to justify someone doing it alone even if an individual is is praying and they're praying and speaking in other tongues if they're by theirself and they're praying for the church or they're praying for an individual or praying for someone in particular or even theirself in their own family and they speak in that language is still in many ways is edifying the body of Christ because when most believers even in the Pentecostal church I'm sure in the church that you came up in as well you know most times when they're praying and asking the Lord to give them this gift of tongues it's not so that they could have it for themselves and just go out and say hey but most times they're utilizing that so that they can so that they can use it for the building of the kingdom so I'm just wondering what your stance is well my stance is that this gift of speaking in languages is not for private use one it goes against the mandate that was given in chapter 127 and a few times in chapter 14 but what happens is this and we have to be real careful that if the Bible doesn't say to or not to then we think we've got freedom to go ahead and do it right in other words because the Bible didn't tell us to pray privately for ourselves in tongues it didn't say not to well then what if we all decide to start doing everything that he told let's say Israel would do or David to do well he didn't tell me not to and so what happens is we you want to stay as close to the text as possible but let's just say we're still we need to discuss this issue let's figure this out can we possibly go ahead and pray in our as we say our prayer closet and pray in tongues this is going to be this why why would an individual pray in a language that they don't understand why because you know what you can't do at the end of that prayer Betty you can't at the end of that prayer say amen because you don't know what you're saying there you go you can't there you go you don't you you are a foreigner to yourself now Paul covers that the person does is they're a foreigner to others that are hearing but you would be a foreigner to yourself and you might be saying something that is incorrect here's the other thing why would God need you to speak in a language that you don't understand now he knows your heart yes sir yes sir sorry no sir so I would like to share just a short example of myself and if this is okay it'll be really quick but I can tell you this because I grew up in a Pentecostal church and when I was younger we would get on the altar and tarry and pray and beg the Lord to fill us with the Holy Spirit so for me I did that for a long period of time months on in me and other young people and I felt grieved I felt this burden like this isn't the right way but I didn't fully understand it because I didn't have context to kind of relate it so then you know I was in the world when I came back into the faith and the gift of tongue still was with me I remember watching older adults just pray and beg the Lord to fill them with the Holy Spirit and I had this burden like Lord I don't think this is the right way but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater so 2015 I ended up losing my daughter to see it and this is leading somewhere and I was in a church service one day and they had a guest preacher come into this service and he was preaching and during the service I remember sitting there in the preacher I tell you I was just I was just engulfed in despair and just clinging to hope right and this pastor was preaching and he said something in the sermon he had the word of God open and he preached as he was preaching he said something out of the word of God and I remember standing up and like getting on my knees and as I was praying I started speaking in other tongues and this wasn't loud and disorderly it was just the presence of God that had come on me so heavy and I remember my mom was sitting next to me and she she would touch my back at some moment and you know just to make sure that I was okay and towards the end of the service she said I was wary I didn't know what was going on with you but it wasn't disruptive anyway but my point is that God restored my hope in the gift of tongues and even though I may not be able to explain it away but what I can tell you is not just mainly relying on the experience but also knowing that when I rose up I was strengthened and even though again why would God do it I don't know you know we look in the book of James and James talks about our tongue being an unruly member and you know we contain ships and all these things but the tongue is one of those things that can't God takes our tongue by way of the spirit and tames it in that fashion because he's powerful enough to do it I don't know but what I see is that in that moment when I rose even though you know everyone else in the congregation was still listening to the word being preached and I had this experience with God what I do know is that when I rose up I was strengthened and I didn't fully know all of what I was praying when I was praying but there was no confusion there was no confusion I was too I was edified and three God endowed me in a way to rise up to be to draw my heart into the calling of like ministry so I guess I would like to say this you know I don't I can't fully understand like why the Lord would have one pray in their closet or what use I can't you know justify that there's no way I can kind of put that into terms but what I can say is that I too stop believing because I saw it abused so much and saw people in Walmart and they just start speaking in these tongues and stuff but what I do know is that it's real and even though I can't fully explain it I do know that God does speak through believers in their private time as well as in congregations and when it is done according to and it's done decently in order the body is edified okay so now Paula's going to address everything you just said he's going to cover that because here oh she dropped out here's what I wanted to hear this part but let me say this to you guys as well to the audience it's possible to be genuine okay here she comes it is possible to have a genuine experience but do it the wrong way because you know what God knows about us he knows this we mess up we do we do stuff according to our own way and so he recognizes our heart behind what we do okay he recognized that you know what you said that the wrong but you meant it Paula is going to address their heart or their zeal their desire to be more spiritual to connect with him as a matter of fact he tells him that's why you guys do this thing you have a zeal to be more spiritual but he says you ought to do it according to laws and so he even says that when you pray you need to understand what it is you're praying about when you speak you don't understand what it is you're speaking about because again there's no need for God to have you to speak to him in the language you don't understand he knows your heart already he wants you to he wants you to know because his other question is going to have to be answered we can never put our experiences up above the word because just like yours was heartfelt and you are a believer there are people who aren't Christian who have experiences and they're going to put their experience up let me give you an example that every last one of you can can agree with that you can relate with you all have experienced what you thought was love before you're with the person you went now right yeah no not me I always knew it wasn't real okay but I have it now it is real okay you done sorry but I'm being honest okay most of us can say that we have you know what I just knew he was the one I knew she was the one and we were wrong but there are other things that we thought was real we've experienced something but what we experienced was more emotional now I'm not discounting emotion because often times you even appreciate God even more when you're doing it the right way and there's emotion also attached to it but emotional experience cannot be what decides that because there's other people who got other experiences that are clearly guess what there are Buddhist and Hindus who say I know what I've experienced but it doesn't line up with God right or I've got these other opinions it's always got to line up now again Betty what's going to happen is because I was there also you mean to tell me what I experienced wasn't real I know you know well it's always got to line up with with the scriptures so let's go into it real quick we've got about I've got to I'm not going to be done with this as quick as I want it to be I've got to be done at least by the next 35 minutes to go on to this other broadcast so but we got enough time let's look at what he says in 1 Corinthians 14 he says which is y'all it's a charge pursue love pursue love earnestly desire the spiritual gifts and the word that she was there again is not spiritual gifts it's the word numitika which is still you can you can use the word spiritual gifts if you want to but it's spiritual gifts if you want to but it's spiritual things especially that you may prophesy now I'm going to read this and I'm going to come back to verses one and five in just a little bit for one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God so a lot of people are going to camp out on this that he speak you know you're not speaking to men but you're speaking to God well wait a second I'm getting I'm starting to get confused because that is not like the examples that we've seen before look what he says for no one understands him but he but he speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation the one who speaks in a tone builds up himself but the one who prophesies builds up the church now I want all of you to speak in tongues but even more to prophesy the one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues unless someone interprets so that the church may be built up now I'm going to read this it may be built up now there's a ton to unpack there and so guys let's get to unpacking let's go back up to first of all I want you to notice a couple of things and I grant that the overwhelming majority of the audience is not that familiar with Greek but I'm going to show you something in the Greek that you guys can see but even in English do you all notice the difference in the types of tongues that he's contrasting for example Anthony is you're married right Anthony yes okay let's say but how long have you been married about about did you say about yeah close to almost 3 years okay where's your wife at where's your wife at Anthony she's in the kitchen I'm even married over 2 years I'm going to leave you alone so you don't get yourself in trouble leave me alone but let's just say I'm pretending let's say you met her 4 years ago how long ago did you meet her 2014 okay okay so let's say in 2013 I knew you and I said Anthony man listen I got a girl for you I want to hook you up with her you're like okay cool I'm interested and you say tell me about her I say Anthony listen she is a godly woman she loves the Lord she's never been married before she's got a nice job come from a good family a good head on her shoulder she is not prone to outbursts or wrath and just all this foolishness she carries herself well you're like yeah okay you're smiling and so forth then I say but what's happening after I say but Anthony Anthony you about to give me some bad information some bad why why what makes you say I'm going to give you some bad information well because but is kind of like a contrast that's exactly what the word but is for in every language that I know of but especially Hebrew and certainly Greek but is a word of contrast so I'm not going to say something over here and then use the word but to say over here I'm going to use the word but to go over here to contrast one both can't be positive right you don't say something good and then but another positive right now so he uses the word but I want you all to notice in the chat and you and you five I mean you four to notice where but is used then I also want you to notice the different types of tongue that is used in one example he uses a tongue singular in another example he uses the word the word tongues plural why and notice how he's contrasting the two it's the same in Greek as well so there's not a lot of difference in the English and the Greek although there's one big issue that's not fully brought out in English I'm going to show you in the Greek as well but let's go back to the past and I want you all to see something he says pursue let's go to verse two for one who speaks in a singular tongue speaks in a singular tongue some King James version say an unknown tongue speaks not to men but to God huh that's weird this the singular tongue speaking person speaking to to God okay for no one understands him but he utters mysteries in the spirit he's uttering these mysteries hmm I don't know if that's a good thing but anyway on the other hand the war on the other hand the one who were my verse three yeah on the other hand the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement so there's a there's a contrast there but let's keep it let's go to verse four one who speaks in a singular tongue does what build up himself but the one who prophesies builds up the church now I want all of you to speak in a or in plural tongues but even more to prophesy that the one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues unless someone interprets so that the church may be built up so what seems to be clear already is that one is building up the church the other one is only building up yourself one is benefiting the body the other is only benefiting you now it's my contention that Paul is not saying that the one where you're building up your body yourself is a good thing what you're doing is almost like a lot of us had either currently or in the past a Pentecostal background where what we did this and we felt better now it may not have changed anything but we felt better we actually built up our self however we're not commanded to use these spiritual gifts to build up ourselves we're commanded to use these gifts to build up the body but this time in this unknown tongue that no one not even myself can understand all I did was build up myself and he is contrasting the singular unknown tongue which is the ecstatic, the babbling it cannot by hosakab whatever he's contrasting that with the actual language whether it be Greek Spanish or French or German he's comparing it with that we're going to see he's talking about actual languages when he refers to the plural but I want to show you guys something in verses one and in verses five that tells us why we ought to speak in these plural languages let's go back to it in verse one he says pursue love and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts especially that you may prophesy the word this use here is the word prophetuete now let's pause for a second and I even see a guy in the chats who disagreed with me but he didn't disagree with me he disagreed with all the scholars in Greek the word prophecy or prophesy has two connotations it really only means to reveal give a revelation of God right now there's two revelations of God that you can give you can give a current revelation one that's been revealed to everyone else in book form or word form or you can give a revelation of something that's going to happen in the future are you with me so revelation can come currently or for future in other words there's a foretelling and then there is a fourth telling there are times in scripture when he's referring to prophecy that he's not referring to telling the future he's referring to giving a revelation of God so now here's why I say this is referring to giving a revelation of God in other words preaching the gospel he says in the Greek he says desire the spiritual gifts especially that you may prophesy look what he says desire the spiritual gifts he says in order that you may preach here's what he says this is rather or in order that you prophesy or that you preach so desire the spiritual gifts so that you can preach what did Jesus say they were going to do verse 5 this makes it even clearer now I want you all to speak in languages then we have this word but even more that you prophesy the same phrase is used again Malan Dehena he says he's literally saying I want you all to speak in look look in order that you preach in order that you preach are you with me so his whole point in coming to this passage now we may not get it because again it's in Greek and we speak English but they got it I want you all to preach in these I want you all to preach in these languages in order that you preach the gospel I want you to speak in these languages so the gospel can be preached where did we hear that before Jesus tells his disciples I'm going to give you the spirit and you are going to preach about me where in Jerusalem Judea and Samaria why I mean to the rest of the world because everyone doesn't speak your language so I want you to speak in these languages so that they can hear the gospel and then what do we see in Acts them speaking these languages to different people why so they can hear the gospel so if your spiritual gift isn't for the gospel go ahead I'm sorry go ahead no I'm sorry sir I was just wondering because no I'm sorry because in verse 5 if he's saying now I want you all to speak in tongues that but there as you said is a contrast even more to prophesy so he's no I want you to speak in tongues and when we look again at that word tongues and even speak even going back to Acts 238 in KJV how it mentions clothing tongues there's this duplicity there's this partition in that word in the Greek that talks about it being a divided tongue so he's saying I would that you guys speak in tongues meaning your natural language and then the spiritual language that he gives he said but I would even more that you prophesy because prophesying whether an unbeliever or a believer is in the church when a pastor stands up he opens the word of God and is foretelling of what the word of God says he is indeed prophesying and if you have one to talk off to the side speaking in their heavenly language it's not going to build up the congregation but I still don't think this is an either or I think that this is a both because he's saying hold on Betty let me ask you a question let me ask you a question though this is why we were building up to this we don't have any examples of this other language that we're talking about the only other example the only thing we've ever seen so far is actual languages so it can't be that he's referring to either or it can't be referring to but he's also had as in place some other language some unknown aesthetic babbling it can't be that because again we've never seen that in scripture just like you were saying earlier but I don't think that you have to see it before for it not to for it to mean that to me it does mean that it's both why the way the first one is 12 well the first one is 12 says the spiritual gifts and then it goes into different kinds of tongues and then this one starts with desire spiritual gifts and then it talks about prophecy and tongues so it kind of correlates the spiritual gifts is associated with tongues in chapter 12 and 14 so it carries on from there so is there again we got to figure out the example of where where are there these other ecstatic tongues at but you're making that it's like you have to have an example of ecstatic tongues or whatever but I don't think so because this is God's new thing that he did this is the New Testament basically when I read this I see it as a possible teaching them how to use the gift just teaching them the right way if you're in a group he's saying you know the way to use tongues so why would you do it in church where you would be edifying to yourself like prophesying in a group of people will edify the church but he's not saying don't speak in tongues he's not saying edifying yourself is wrong he's not saying that apostle Paul is very clear when he wants to call people out let me ask you a question let me ask you a question let's go back to a passage you tell me if these two things are like or if they are to be contrasted let's say the one the one who speaks in a singular tongue that's the ecstatic tongue builds up himself but now the word but here is the word day it's to be the word but but the one who prophesies builds up the church which one is preferable which one is the one we commanded to do I don't think he's telling us to decide why would he use the word but because he's talking about as it relates to the church body that's what the but is referring to it's not referring to which gift is the right gift or the wrong gift it's referring to when you're in the church body that's what I take it at and again if you guys I hear what you guys are saying but if we cannot base it on a scripture then what are we basing it off of I'm basing it off of the text the face value of the text okay I tell you what can I say something go ahead I'm sorry I've been trying to jump in here but I understand what these three people are saying I understand what y'all are saying however I get what Cory is saying too because what Cory is saying is we need to have an example of this in scripture and the reason why that is important the reason why that is very important I believe if I'm not incorrect second Timothy 3 16 17 I believe it says all scripture is god breathed and profitable for correction rebuke instruction and righteousness that the man of god may be complete if the scriptures are all we need to be complete how can we not have an example of what we need to see in the scripture if all scripture is breathed out of the mouth of god if all scripture from genesis to revelation is breathed out of the mouth of god and all we need is to live a whole life honorable and pleasing to god then why or how can you say I don't need something that's or I need something that's outside of the scripture to confirm what I'm feeling know every feeling I don't think anyone said that no this is an example we didn't say that we don't need an example well here's the command that paul gives let me give you all the command that paul gives let's go back to the text we're gonna drop down and we'll go back up we'll cover this again but let's drop down and we'll see what paul is saying in chapter 14 verse 12 he says so let me go back before then he says let's just start back up where we left off he says now brothers if I come to you speaking in plural tongues how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching if even lifeless instruments such as a flute or harp do not give distinct notes how will anyone know what's placed whether it needs to be some sort of understanding meaning to these words and if the bugle gives an indistinct sound who will get ready for battle in other words if the bugle goes out and says something no one understands what's happening then no one's gonna move because of that verse 9 look what he says so it is with your sails or so with your sails if your tongue that's the memory of your mouth you utter speech that is not intelligible not understandable no one knows how will anyone know what it said look what he says speaking into the air now guys speaking into the air is not a compliment that's a put down paul is actually digging at them he says but he's saying that because they're doing it in church he's not saying it because they're trying to edify themselves in their own personal prayer he's saying it because they're doing it in church where does paul ever bring up that you all should do this or where does any other writing tells says to do this by yourself let's continue and I'll come back to you he says there are doubtless many different languages in the world and none is without meaning but if I do not know the meaning of the language I will be affording to the speaker and the speaker affording to me look what he says so with your sails since you are eager since you are zealous for the manifestation of the spirit look what he says to strive for strive to excel in the edification or the building up of the church or the body so he keeps coming back to the theme where we are to look to build up others build up the body now again we cannot leave the definition of the word tongues the definition of the word tongues means languages it has never ever ever ever ever somebody had an extra ever ever in the history of the bible or mankind has it ever meant except nowadays in the last hundred something years has it ever meant an ecstatic babbling it has never meant that they were doing that and Paul writes rebuked them we never see anyone referring to languages or glossize as an ecstatic gibberish Paul corrects him on that he says when you do that all you're doing is building yourself up you feel good about it but no one else gets benefits that's why he says you're just speaking to the air only God and he literally says only God knows so it's like if Jacob and I were having a conversation and then Anthony leaned over and said hey what did Jacob say? only God knows only God knows he's just speaking to the mistress in the air that's not a compliment but there's a certain endowment that comes with that because you may feel as though that it's only ending there with you and God but when you go out and you meet people and you're discerning and you're able to kind of and I'm not talking spooky new age spiritual list stuff but I'm talking when you're able to get up and you encounter what happened? example oh sorry can you hear me? I can hear you can you hear me? yes sir in Jesus's life he was the perfect example of the importance of having a prayer life now I'm not saying that Jesus spoke in other tongues because obviously the comforter wasn't defeated because Jesus was walking the earth but at the same time I think that if we just if we and I'm not saying go outside of scripture or go outside of text and to read into it or to put your own experience above what the text saying that is not what I'm saying but what I am saying is that when you we don't fully know the benefits of trying themselves by way of tongues because we are speaking mysteries and we are praying and speaking by way of the Holy Spirit and we may not be able to gauge how effective that is when we step out we probably won't know that fully on this side but what I do know there is some effectiveness and some endowment and even when you open up the word most people and Cory I don't know Cory have you ever have you ever had the gift of tongues do you I don't know if you've ever had when I started off in that Pentecostal church I spoke in tongues like everybody else was doing so and again when I left when I left the belief in that I left so grudgingly thinking that that's the right way to do it I was like most folks my experience and my desire to not be wrong those are two things that we have going for us our experiences and our desire not to be wrong which is why oftentimes in other aspects of our life we continue to make the same mistake I'm just saying this for everybody we continue to make the same mistake because we don't want to be wrong we don't want to admit that we were wrong in doing something and our experience tells us that felt real but here's the deal where the Bible speaks we speak where the Bible is silent well guess what we're silent because what ends up happening is we can create a whole new doctrine a whole new domination Paul says this if you pray in your own language he says if I do that then he says your spirit prays but your mind is unfruitful verse 14 so your spirit there's a desire I'm not discounting the fact that when a person who has shown enough as we say believer who believes in tongues will go and pray and pray in tongues I have no doubt the person means well and is genuine in their heart they're just doing it in error which is why Paul is writing them and so he says they pray but his spirit is unfruitful their spirit is trying to pray they really want to get this out God I'm trying and the only thing I can think of is he cannot hold right no but you can't control it but he's not saying that though because what is the Holy Spirit he's saying that you gotta the gift of the spirit is one of the fruits of the spirit is self control right so you ought to be in control there's a problem in verse 15 verse 14 if I pray with my if I pray in this unknown tongue my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful there's no benefit to my mind so look what he comes back and says in verse 15 what am I to do why would Paul say when Paul is saying this why would Paul ask the question but what am I to do because there's a problem on deck the problem is I'm praying I don't know what I'm praying about my mind is unfruitful I have no idea what I just said though I'm going to say amen I'm gonna feel good I don't have no idea what I said he says so hold on I'll give you a second he says what am I to do he says in verse 15 and put on the screen he says in verse 15 what I'll do is this I will pray with my spirit but I will pray with my mind also I will sing with my spirit but I will also sing with my mind also otherwise if you give thanks with your spirit how can anyone in the position of the outsider say amen to your Thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying for you may be giving thanks as well you may be genuine you may be thinking the Lord how you do it is wrong but the other person is not being built up again he's pointing out the point and purpose of this guys is to build up others is what you're doing is you're using you're using you got a suburban you got a suburban for the benefit of taking all these passengers and all you're doing is and you're driving HOV lane but it's just you you're driving HOV lane or the carpool lane and it's just you that's his point guys the whole point of every spiritual gift is for everybody but you are using it for yourself why because it makes you feel good I get that but he says don't do that I've never told you to do that there's no passage command go ahead I'm sorry to interrupt but I'm going to forget if I don't say I don't see it as a problem that someone phrase in the spirit in their personal prayer life and they're edifying theirself I don't see that as a negative thing and I just want to put this out there I do believe in tongues I do believe that in their languages and I do believe that a person can speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit leads in their personal prayer life I do believe that in a church setting it should be interpreted but as I was saying though I just I don't think that there's nothing wrong with edifying yourself in your personal prayer time when you're praying in the Holy Spirit and he's healing you and he's edifying you because we all need that like you couldn't get on here on this video without having edification of the Holy Spirit let me ask you Elizabeth let me ask you a question then you don't think there's anything wrong with edifying yourself okay fine why can't you do it in English yeah why can't you do it in English you do do it in English but Holy Spirit leads you to speak in tongues then you will do it the way he did go ahead can I say something I have a question I do not speak in tongues I never have I have a question though for those who have spoken in tongues do you all pray for the interpretation or do you just pray in tongues and just leave it there can I answer so awesome you can go ahead that's fine I'm waiting for you okay so for me I have only spoken in tongues and I know for fact that it's something that the Holy Spirit has to lead you into and I was led into it into a personal prayer time that I was having I was dealing with some very heavy things and I just didn't know what to say I knew I needed to pray I knew I needed to trust the issue to God but I didn't know what to say and and the words just started coming up out of my spirit and I just started speaking and it was it was very different it was like it was just it was like I was on another the words were like in a different dimension that's the best way I can explain to you I felt I felt just I knew that God was with me that day and I know that's my personal experience but during that I didn't ask for the interpretation now I've another instance where the Lord did speak to me and he spoke to me in another language and I did not know what he said and at the time this was a dream it was in a prayer it was in a language he revealed to me what he said so and that's just a short version so yes I did get an interpretation when he spoke to me what are you going to say Betty? so yes sir so I was going to say if when so when you are when you do receive the gift of the Holy Spirit your mind really isn't more so because it's almost as if and I again we don't lean on our experiences because as you said every religion has started from an experience they heard a voice or whatever but I do I don't think that we need to throw experience out because when we see Jesus prepared to be baptized the Bible says that the Holy Spirit descended on him like a dove and then was an experience for Jesus you know to be empowered to you know obviously he's God so anyway but anyway what I was going to say is that when you are when you have the presence of God on you and when you are speaking in tongues it's not this thing where it's like it's coming out you're like oh Lord what am I saying what am I what is this it's not even that because the presence the power of God it's so real that it's not that you're just so emotional because you feel so good but most times tears come to your eyes and you have this overwhelming sense of peace and just rest because it's just that it's not that it's this emotionalism because I've experienced that as well where I'm running and jumping and shouting because the drums are going and the beat sounds good but then when I go home you know I feel that that dread of depression but there is there really is a point in time where when you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and when it's at work in your life because I have I spoken to them when I was a young girl but even now today I'm 37 years old and I typically when I go and pray and this is a gift that God has given me a gift of prayer I just started when I was younger and I would go away and pray and pray for hours some days and some days you know 30 minutes but it's just the burden that the Lord has given me and it could be because of inaccessory but nevertheless I okay let me let me say this sorry what we have forgotten and this is kind of why I walked down this particular track and you all agreed with this Elizabeth you weren't here but I think we first found out what the purpose of the spiritual gifts were for right we talked about that and we were all in agreement that spiritual gifts are for to preach the gospel Holy Spirit is going to come in and we're going to testify of Jesus and that is get the languages goes right along with that and they were all and it means languages that it was always used to talk to someone else about the gospel right and we all agreed with that and we never saw any example of it being personal and the reason why I want to go that route was because I knew once we got here that what happens is experiences and feelings take over previously the word of God was more than enough but then the experiences the desire for another spiritual level to be reached jumps in let me tell you the danger of not sticking totally with scripture not you guys but someone anyone can always come in and say the Lord told me this the Lord showed me that the Lord is moving this way there are actual people who have stated that the Lord spoke to me that I made mistake with the woman that I married you never was supposed to be with that woman and so the Lord granted me he spoke to me and delivered me from that sin that I committed and gave me a new wife he felt good she felt good the Lord didn't because he just lied right it was not in the core of scriptures now I'm using that example because it happens over and over and over again there's a reason why he gave us the scriptures and the scriptures only why we are to not lean into our own understanding we ought to just go with what the word says because guess what guys whatever you're feeling whatever you're thinking whatever language you speak he'll speak to you in that language guess what it's sufficient he already knows the thoughts of your heart and so now you're adding a different layer on something he never gave us permission to do we start coming up with our own if it may feel good and guess what guys your intent is genuine Paul says that he acknowledges that that you have this zeal this desire to serve the Lord if you have that then desire to build up the body we already talked about there's no such spiritual gift ever used to build up ourselves somebody's going to say prayer well prayer is not a spiritual gift right now the issue is when you do so there is no interpreter it's for the point of spiritual gifts we're going to we're getting close to an end because I got to get ready to leave but we also find as we read further that it's for the unbeliever not the believer you guys if you're praying in tongues who's the unbeliever who's the interpreter and it's for the benefit of the body and so while it may make you feel better it may make you feel good and you're trying to get close to the Lord it just doesn't line up with scripture and so here's how awesome God is guys even in a church where every doctrine isn't lined up just right but there is a true intent to serve the Lord where you can be in a church of Christ church of God in Christ church of God Baptist Methodist people are still coming to the Lord people are still coming to the Lord and are still finding salvation even in places where all the doctrine isn't correct because people still have a desire and a hunger for him okay and so I don't discount you guys level of love for the Lord at all I really don't it seems to be evident I'm not saying it's decisive that we can all know for a fact that every last person on this on this on this screen is a believer but you seem to be you seem to be genuine and but here's a here's a danger there are people that are genuine out there who don't use the scriptures properly and who lead other folks around where let me address this real quick because I see some of these comments in the in the in the section and I'm gonna ask you guys a question this person Katrina Williams says Corey you are twisting scriptures which scripture have I twisted I've given you as a matter of fact as I understand so far Katrina so far everything that I've stated he said I'm determined to believe what I want again Katrina I started off believing that you could speak in tongues I said that I spoke in tongues some of you guys aren't paying attention in the chastity bathroom has he ever spoken tongues I've said so twice I started off in the church of God and Christ this is the church of God and so I started so when you guys are pointing to me not using scriptures am I not going over the scriptures so I not not not you guys not not you but the people in the chat not you guys but the people in chat if you disagree with the scriptures that I'm saying fine but don't say I'm not going over the scriptures that's the point that I'm trying to get out here we have to use scriptures to determine how we should proceed amen amen go ahead guys absolutely I was asking like how do you lose a gift per se because I guess what I'm thinking is like sometimes you can read your experience into the scripture as well because I don't see it saying anything about the edification oneself being wrong he's just explaining that when you speak in tongues you are edifying yourself unless you interpret it or have someone else interpret it but your goal is not to just build up yourself but to build up the body I mean I'm just trying to say does he tell us at any point in time does he ever tell us what the purpose of these gifts are for yes okay and what does he say he says in different ways for tongues he says sign not for those who believe but unbelievers pray that you may interpret and it's kind of like bounce around the different things I think that sometimes we take the act and acts and kind of associate it with just this one but that one was the Holy Spirit giving them utterance to speak in different languages to do what this is like a spiritual gift okay hold on they spoke in these languages and acts to do what to build up the body right well that was to proclaim the gospel Christ and also to build up the body right okay so we're all clear that in acts the purpose of those languages that gift was to build up the body in 1 Corinthians 12 that's the same Paul writing in 1 Corinthians 12 he says that that the purpose of these gifts verse 7 is to build up the body for the common good of everyone else in chapter 14 verse what do I say verse twice he says so in verse 12 he says so strive to build up the body to build up the church so he keeps this theme is continuously woven in the purpose of these gifts now if you want to use the if you want to use a gift for another purpose that's on you but scripturally he tells us what the purpose is in several instances and so we cannot say well I use it this way and it felt good it worked for me we that that would that would be a misuse of the scriptures if he says in John if he says it acts we see it born out in acts he says it in acting in 1 Corinthians 12 he says it twice in 1 Corinthians 14 if he tells us clearly what the purpose is then that's the purpose of the gift it cannot be that I use it this way and it still worked out for me it blessed my soul okay fine it blessed your soul but it was still the incorrect use of that gift it's not what the gift was intended for and the danger in that is that anyone can now use that same strategy the same tack on every other gift and so that's all I'm not saying anyone is is is going to hell for or anyone is is damn is damn because of it I'm saying that Paul Paul would have you guys would have been or everyone would have been in the position that the Corinthian church is is Paul saying don't do that I just read the purpose of gifts is in order that you proclaim the gospel my my on the hand of prophet he says do this in order that you preach that's that's that's literally what he says in 1 Corinthians chapter 14 verse 5 but he never says that you preach I'm sorry say it again I say he never says not to do it he's just explaining the the the whole understand like he's given him an understanding of what tongues is for if you build up yourself you are in yeah you should go ahead you should be building up the body afterwards you know it's not like just just to make yourself better good point may I say may I say something um I respect what y'all are saying I get what y'all are saying because Paul did not say to not build up yourself so you're going with that okay that's fine but the reason why I asked the question that I asked here verse 13 specifically says and this will prove that many of you and not in a disrespectful way but it will prove that even in your speaking in tongues or even in your praying in tongues in your personal time or whatever you're not doing it correctly because 13 says therefore let him let anyone who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret so then you should be praying that you interpret that tongue praying for the interpretation of what you spoke in your private prayer time or whenever you need to pray for that interpretation so you may be edified so you're not edifying yourself by speaking in that tongue until you interpret it well I never that's not in church no ma'am in the church there must be an interpreter but this one verse 13 says there therefore let him pray that he may interpret it that he may have the interpretation of what just came out of his mouth because his mind is unfruitful yes well in the church as we go down to the verse before he talks about the church and then the next let's say in the church 1 or 2 or 3 speak that the previous verse he says the church so here's the issue guys I'm not saying he's not talking about the church what I'm saying is when he's talking about you speaking in your tongue because you're talking about using the you still need to interpret what you said okay guys listen this is how we know it's all in conversation this is why paul is not even we can try to parse whether he's talking about individually or in the church we already know what the purpose of the gift is for if the purpose of the gift is for everyone else well then why would paul start talking about hey this is how you ought to do it by yourself why would he say use this gift that's intended for everyone else when you buy yourself oh by the way if you want to do it by yourself because you can edify yourself where does it say that though verse 4 chapter 14 okay let's go back but he prophesies edifies the church so if you're speaking in the tongue here's what he's saying the one who speaks in an unknown tongue builds up himself but the one who prophesies builds up the church what are we supposed to be building up ourselves the contrast is there the word but is there the contrast he's saying listen what he's saying all you're doing is building up yourself that's all you're doing you speak in his language I did not give you the gifts to build up yourself I'm saying for God I gave you the gifts for giving to build up others but all you're doing is build up yourself and that's why he says twice after that desire to build up the church he never once says build up yourself why because that won't be hard we'll do that anyway as a matter of fact let someone else do that let the spirit work in you but don't go to praying for but that is through the Holy Spirit Corey that is through the Holy Spirit speak in tongue that is through the Holy Spirit I'm not talking about people that are show boating that are out there I'm talking about genuinely you're praying in the Holy Spirit you have some things going on God is working on you but where does it tell us where does it tell us ever to use this gift to build yourself up when we've been told I've given five examples where we're told that this gift is to build up others he's explaining it though he's explaining the gift in the first chapter 14 he's explaining how you could use it is saying for he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God for no one understands him however in the spirit he speaks mysteries and so what I'm telling you is that Paul is bringing out what I'm saying is Paul is bringing out a problem you're right he does say that for the one who speaks in a tongue an unknown tongue you're not speaking to men you're just speaking to God because only God understands you all you're doing is uttering mysteries only God knows by the way this is literally the exact word the phrase only God knows comes from all you're doing is speaking to God no one understands he keeps going back to this part saying that all you're doing is speaking mystery to the air but he says on the other hand the one who's preaching or prophesying speaks to people for their upbuilding so he's contrasting he's already told us what we ought to be doing it's like saying this I want you all to go and do A I'm giving you this to go do that but you in terms you're taking this and going to do that all you're doing is building it your needs whereas I gave this to you to serve their needs you cannot come back and say well it's okay when I say I gave this to you for a specific cause for a specific reason but you're turn around and do it to yourself why in the world would you need to speak to God in a language that you have no idea what you're saying that's why he presents the problem he says the problem is that you speak without understanding so what you ought to do rather than speaking without any understanding rather than praying with a misunderstanding pray with understanding that's the whole point and so when we do this every time you do this there is no scripture to point to that tongues or any other spiritual gifts is for yourself and that's the problem you cannot just go off of how you felt where does Paul where does John where does James where does Jesus where does he say that that's what these gifts are for there's just no place for that he's highlighting imbalanced he's highlighting imbalanced because he's saying you know he speaks in tongues edifying himself but he who prophesied edifies the church you know he's just kind of helping to understand that you're not just building up yourself you could be actually trying to build up your congregation and so I say people who speak in tongues you are building yourself up to build up the congregation you're not just doing it for your own personal gain it should never be all the gifts are used for the body of Christ you're building yourself up to build up the church where's that coming scripture I mean like as far as like edifies himself I mean it's saying like you pray mysteries and you pray for interpretation yeah I mean because your spirit prays but you're understanding because I'm fruitful so yeah he's saying that you kind of need to use it to so he's saying does Paul want you to know what you're saying does Paul in does he okay question for all four of you guys do you know what you're saying yes or no yes and so for me Jacob I want to go back to this question because they're funny in the chest they're saying jump in Betty but anyway I didn't necessarily answer your question when you ask when you pray in tongues if there is an interpretation when you are praying in tongues apart from the emotionalism there is some form of interpretation most times it's scripture most times it's scripture that's coming to your mind and even though you're not praying the scripture because you're speaking in tongues scripture is coming to your mind there are other times where so it's not this it's not as if you're just idle in your mind and these words are coming out and you're just crying and emotional and no it's not that most times again it is scripture there is some level of understanding now you may not be able to decipher word from word from word I mean and now that I think about it I'll go back and definitely evaluate that but there is a level of understanding when you are when you are speaking in tongues so it's not an idle an idle mind okay two things so I don't want you to think that it's all emotion sorry when people are saying that they are edifying themselves and someone just put this in comment and this is actually a good question there is no way that if you don't know what you're saying that you do know if you are actually edifying yourself remember in chapter 12 he said that people are saying these things and inadvertently saying Jesus is a curse so if you say the wrong thing because you don't know what you're saying you're not edifying yourself but remember we went through that passage in Romans chapter 8 where when you're not too sure of what to say rather than speaking a language that you have no idea what you're saying you know what you're supposed to do how you take this Romans 8 passage 8 26 let the spirit do the interceding for you keep your mouth closed as he says because these are wrong things that 2D4 you can't utter right so these are this is a quietness that between your spirit and God the Holy Spirit is interceding that's what you need then if you're not too sure what to say let that be what edifies you as Romans 8 26-27 is talking about not talking about an actual language and so if you want to be edified do 2 things word and pray pray according to the word though making up something or saying something that you don't know that can't edify you because again you can't be edified in not knowing what is you're saying you can't even say amen to yourself so now he said I think the spirit brings understanding though as you're praying I've never heard a person spoke in tongues I understand what I said the Holy Spirit we would have to pray for the interpretation he said because our mind is unfruitful you should pray for the interpretation and I respect all of you but what you're saying is different from what the scripture says now guys let me do this let me do this guys because what's happening is this let me ask you if I speak in tongues I've already answered that question you guys are funny because what's going to happen is you don't speak in tongues please be quiet I've already covered that now 4 times again do I murder well you can't understand the heart of a murder unless you murder somebody stop it with that but guys this has been good maybe we'll do this again but I've got to go ahead and get off I've got to get my live set up or my camera and everything set up with the next what I'm going on to so guys if you want to see some more maybe we'll bring these folks back again maybe someone else wants to come on we'll do it again so guys I thank you so much I'm getting ready to go over to Seiko Wood's challenge if you all want to carry maybe we'll cover this conversation again over there Betty bless you sweetheart Elizabeth Anthony God bless you all Jacob you all were absolutely wonderful I really do appreciate this and for the rest of you guys what I appreciate is one we can go over the scriptures we don't have any any fighting or any arguing anything like that or whatever but hey we disagree fine but what has to be because I've got an opinion you've got an opinion we all got an opinion what has to be the final authority in the scriptures and it's okay it is okay to even look for where I'm wrong again that's how I came from this I used to be in the church where we spoke in tongues I used to I believed it I was wholeheartedly for Pentecostal movement and speaking in tongues and so forth but I still got to go I still have to govern myself according to the scriptures and so there comes a time when Paul says grow in the grace knowledge of the Lord and in doing so I've got to lean on that so anyway guys I thank you so much you all have a wonderful day if you see me over on Seiko's channel amen if I just happen to see you next time amen also bye bye