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Greg is a hybrid social critic, humorous investigative private investigator and a deadly serious journalist who in the early 1990s started working for the BBC and the Observer newspaper in Britain after he had been an investigator for the federal government and his work led to one of the government's largest ever racketeering cases against the Long Island power company. It won 40 4.8 billion dollars from a jury is a university of Chicago graduate. Greg started making his mark in this field in the 2000 Florida election, the one we all remember the one that went to the Supreme Court to be decided and this one we're going to ask Greg about that. This one might go there which is one of the reasons Trump pushed to have Amy Coney Barrett go on the court in case this goes to Supreme Court he now has a 63 majority there. And of course Bush had a narrower majority but it got him elected over Al Gore and Greg went down to Florida and he discovered all of the dirty tricks that the president's brother had played to keep the vote down the Democratic vote down to help his brother win that state which indeed delivered him the election. We'll stop there with the introduction. Craig, thank you very much for joining us on CN Live. How are you today? Okay, well the one thing I'm going to do is though plug my book. Let me get back. Yeah, he's the author of several books including Billionaires and Bandits which I reviewed for Consortium News. Back in 2011 we met somewhere for breakfast in Manhattan you might remember Greg when we talked about your book and his latest book is T for Asterix Stole 2020. So now let me introduce Greg Palast and please talk more about your book right now if you want at this point. What is your book saying about this election? Why do you conclude that Trump is going to steal this? Well, because Trump has already stolen 2020 but we can steal it back. The book How Trump Stole 2020 is a that's a warning not a prediction. Okay, so there's a way to steal it back and I discuss well today if you go to GregPalast.com or to Leo Nardo de Caprio's Instagram story page you'll see a 13 minute film called The Purged. And this is about how Trump stole the election by removing by his cronies removing millions millions of voters from the voter rolls on phony bogus grounds. Now, 60 according to the Elections Assistance Commission, the federal government and the Brennan Center, both they both have the same number 16.7 million people have been removed from the voter rolls in the past two years. And a lot of people are going to show up to vote. And they'll be told, sorry, Charlie, you're not here. Here's a provisional ballot which you can, you know, wipe your tuchus with to be. So, and now 16.7 million people won't show up and be told you can't vote some re registered some are dead some have moved, but about half are wrong and and so I issued, for example, I just issued a report for the ACLU of Georgia. We went through the list that the Republican Secretary of State just did purge the voter rolls there about a third of a million voters. And we determine that exactly we're not guessing went through every single name obviously major computers help 198,351 voters were illegally removed from the voter rolls. And if you see that film at my website the purge, one of the things you'll see at the opening is a nine at that point a 92 year old woman. Just as she's being thrown out of a polling station in Atlanta. And this 92 year old woman have been voting at the same polling station names Christine Jordan for 50 years or she was trying to vote for 50th year. And she removed her. Why they said she had, she moved. So I went to her house that they said she'd moved out of where she lived for nearly her entire century of life. And they're on the wall pictures of Martin Luther King. And I said you knew Dr King says that's my cousin. He came here for dinner after, after the sermons at the Ebenezer Baptist every Sunday this is the woman that they removed for not. And there she was. But of course she was attempting to vote while black all over the nation. So we now how do I know that 198,000 people exactly are removed from the voter rolls of Florida. 198,351 because they said these people moved like just like King's cousin. Now, if you move from Atlanta hey you can't vote in Atlanta you can't vote in Georgia if you've left the state, but we are guessing. First of all I went to the place that tends to know where you live it's called the post office. You can actually hire the post offices. Special consultants who keep track of where you live and move to. And we hired them as a company called Merkel. And then we hired other people who know where you live. Guess who knows where you were last Thursday at 2pm. That's Amazon, Google, eBay, and a couple others. We hired their experts to say would you go through this list and see who's moved and they gave us literally the list. I gave that to the ACLU and I gave that to the Secretary of State said put these people back on. And he said, I'll get around to it maybe a couple Tuesdays from now. Why I said that I can't even guess. But now understand this is the same state when Brian Kemp was Secretary of State in 2018 running for governor he wiped out the the voting rights of a third of a million voters illegally caught him then but it's it then exploded out of Georgia to Wisconsin to Michigan, North Carolina, all over the country 30 states started mass purging voters on grounds that they had moved. They were in Milwaukee just before the shutdown. They're about to remove over 100,000 voters there for moving. Now who are they. One was the quanta Taylor, you'll see her in our film, and you'll meet her in how Trump stole 2020, which by the way if you go to my website you can download the audio book for free right now. And so quanta Taylor, they said it moved out of Milwaukee and so I said why are you voting in Milwaukee it's a crime. What are you doing, you go to jail for that. She says I didn't move out of Milwaukee I said prove it says well look behind me because I had a government building your names on the wall. Milwaukee County supervisor. That's who they said left Milwaukee. Now how does that happen. Well, she also happened to be attempting to vote while black. So we took the list. We not only figured out exactly name by name who was illegally removed from the voter rolls the big purge, or they wanted to remove. We also looked at the race. You take we took every census tract. How black is that track and then took every name of every wrongly identified voter mover. And it was almost an exact match. If if you're wrongly removed the chance that you are black in Milwaukee was about 90%. Now, I didn't say 100% because there was a one other group that was under major attack students in Madison, Wisconsin, massive purge of students in Wisconsin. You know it's not illegal to move dorm room to dorm room, but that's what they're doing when a kid moved their dorm room they took away their vote. It's it's illegal. But you know what are you going to do you have to call voter cops. Who's who's going to you know who you're going to call, you know, Dan acroids important political question. That would be bill bar. Those are the voter cops the Justice Department now an injustice department so you got to do on your own and I will say we had some success in Wisconsin after identified that the list was this purge list was phony racist garbage. The, believe it or not, the bipartisan board of elections since the Democrats have taken over that state put refused to purge these voters, even though it says that they must buy law a law passed by the Republican legislature. So that's all in court but that but these votes have been saved for this election that's why I don't think they can steal Wisconsin this time. Now, by the way, I'm not a go ahead. Sorry, because of your work that those votes were saved. Well, I think that my work helped you never know. In fact, I don't want to say that they're saved they're certainly saved for this election because they were able to use this information to say we're not purging these people this list is junk. And even though the law says we have to remove these people federal law says you can't just throw people off because they're because they're black or their students. Right. And we have bad information that they move. So but on the other hand, in many other states like Michigan. Now Michigan Democrats have taken over the executive there the Secretary of State the Attorney General the governor. And, but they are, they've done nothing to return voters to the voter rolls in Michigan. So you had this massive problem that's what this film that I put out today with from the Dicaprio family produced. It's a great way to talk about this mass racist purge of voters the Democratic Party doesn't talk about it. The media doesn't talk about it. So here I am I have to talk about it and you're talking about. Well, we may be able to show your film if that's all right with you at the, maybe at some point at the end of the of our discussion about got it up here on YouTube if I can share the screen will do that. I want to ask you a couple of questions wonder who is who is doing this is the local Republican parties the Democratic parties is it only the Republicans who do these tricks. Well, there's tricky. Well, now you're getting to the plural of tricks. But let's start purging, spoiling, tossing rejecting the ones are those still the ones they're doing the one. But I have to say that that the GOP is a specialist at the purge operation that's the biggest one because you can wipe out since 2000. Now remember what happened in 2000 just to remind people when I was with the Guardian and BBC television. I went to Florida and uncovered that before the election which George Bush won by just 537 votes in Florida that made him president they gave him Florida made him president. But before they, he won by 500 votes. I discovered that they had removed 58,000 voters illegally, illegally, almost all of them black, and I'm not guessing about their race because it says in Florida voter roles at the time BLA next to the name of every black person. So I wasn't guessing. I wasn't guessing. And that's what we've discovered since then. We've had a law to help America vote act which required every state to computerize their voter roles make it easy for the GOP or anyone else to just with a flick of a switch remove hundreds of thousands of voters at a time, a third of a million voters in Michigan 100,000 in Wisconsin 200,000 illegally removed in Georgia, and so on and so on. So that's mostly GOP, because it's a very good way to get rid of people of color young people. In other words, I want to say people of color, you know, blue, they vote blue. Now, am I telling you that Democrats don't play games too. Oh my God. In fact, there's in how Trump stole 2020 I have a chapter called California Riemann. And I, you know, I used to teach statistics, and I tell you went through the numbers and even I was, I was just breathtaking I work with the California poll on these numbers. Bernie Sanders was shafted out of 553,000 votes, over half a million votes in this last primary, done by the Democratic Secretary of State who was pulling a Catherine Harris or Brian Kemp he was heavily involved in the supporting Joe Biden, and he's running the election, a guy named Alex Padilla, who is like you know, the nation's vote thief and chief by numbers Democrats by numbers are worse. Okay. And Padilla sent out over 3 million ballots without Bernie Sanders name on it like that. 3 million ballots without Bernie Sanders name. Now how do you do that is I don't have to go through all the details read the book it's called California Republican there's a legal way he was able to pull this off. But this is the games that are being played so the Democrats play the games to but they're not anywhere as good as the Republicans and the Democrats do almost all their dirty in primaries. The result is that the same voters who get screwed by the Republicans are the same voters get screwed by the Democrats they both go after progressive young voters of color. And so both parties go after these same voters as and as we saw in Michigan one of the reasons why you know Hillary lost Michigan by just 10,000 votes out of 5 million is abandonment of black voters by the Democratic Party there, which continues on. I mean, I have to you know, I have to tell you that the Attorney General, the Democratic Attorney General of Michigan did not want my foundation to list or the ACLU or black voters matter that I've been working with to list the names of people illegally purge from the Democratic Party. Ask me why I don't know fear of a black party I can't tell but they didn't want me, literally saying you have lost your vote you better re register now. And one thing by the way, I don't want to overly discourage people in Michigan, you can actually if you do show up and find yourself purge and in Wisconsin you can register the day you go into vote. Even if you are purged, but it's very difficult because you have to have the right ID and you have to have proof of address. And you'll love this in Wisconsin Joe. In Wisconsin, you can't use your student most student IDs can't be used for voting. They passed a law. Two weeks and they implemented two weeks before the 2016 election a change in voter ID law in Wisconsin. You have to have a photo voter ID, but you can't you can use your gun permit to vote. You can use your license but you use your gun permit to vote, but God forbid you try to use your student ID to vote that's 182,000 students in the University of Wisconsin disenfranchised like that. In addition, black voters in Milwaukee according to University of Wisconsin study in the book, according to University of Wisconsin study 50,000 African Americans were immediately prohibited by voting because, you know what, yeah, they could have used their driver's license but guess who doesn't have driver's licenses, people who don't have cars and that means people living in apartment buildings in urban areas use public transportation low income people. In other words, black folk and Hispanics and students and they lost 50,000 African American voters. They lost over 100,000 students and Trump wins Wisconsin by 22,000 votes. These are the games that are being played. Unfortunately, sometimes Democrats protect you sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're the ones who are actually taking away your vote. They don't protect your vote. Don't expect anyone or any party to do it for you. So, the fact that the Democrats do it in the primaries and the GOP and the general elections. Is that why we don't hear the Democrats or the Republicans complaining about this or they are meteors and Democratic and Republican media. Why is it only you Greg Proust basically, who's making such a ruckus about this completely. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. It ain't just me. If it were just me, I'd have to, I would just curl up in a ball and cry. Well, I do that anyway, but I have to, you know, that's how I get through the end of the day. It's that or drinking. Well, sometimes it's both. But I got to tell you that, you know, the list in Michigan and in, well, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, that was put out for the black voters matter fund, LaTosha Brown. These are great on the ground operatives. I work a lot with the Reverend Jesse Jackson. We defeated one nasty little purge system, which we could talk about called cross check. The ACLU put out my report in Georgia. So I got, you know, I get ACLU. I get black voters matter. I get operation rainbow push. And I should say that it's ACLU of Georgia. That's important because it's headed by an African American woman, Andrea Young. Thank you, Andrea. And, and we do have media. But generally, what makes you unusual Joe is I don't get a lot of pale face media. Even when I'm on like MS DNC, I mean MS NBC, the, you know, I was a regular with joy read, and I used to go into the Universal Studios for MS NBC and say, So what about the pale face host. So what we're talking about is apartheid media and apartheid voting. And it's not about parties. It's, it still goes back to that same American disease called racism. Let me turn it over to Elizabeth. I have one more though, before I do that. Is there something fundamentally different about this election because of the pandemic? People, lots of people have voted in person already. So they would have already discovered they've been purged. Is that right? Are we getting an earlier look at what's going on because of the. In fact, actually, one thing you should know, for example, when you see these long lines, and where do you see the long lines? Oh, there's long lines in Georgia. No, there are not long lines in Georgia. There are not long lines in Milwaukee. There are not long lines in Louisville. What you were seeing is long lines in black neighborhoods. You didn't see long five hours lines in white neighborhoods rarely. Okay, so what's going on here? Once again, it's apartheid systems of voting. And what we were finding in when we were talking to people in Georgia is that half the people standing in line and it was roughly, you know, this is not scientific. We just, you know, grab people and they all said the same thing, including Andrea Young's husband. I didn't get my ballot. Okay, and there's two reasons not to get your ballot for mail in. So you're stuck in several hours long line. Number one, you've been purged. And if you're purged, it probably means that you're black or you're young or you're Hispanic. Or by the way, Asian Americans are new target too. So if you're a voter of color, you're young and you've been purged. So you don't know why you didn't get your mail in ballot. Well, the answer is you're not a registered voter. So good luck. And in Georgia, you're SOL you've waited four hours in line and they'll give you a provisional ballot. And the little old lady behind the desk says, Oh, that'll count. Don't worry. Yeah. According to the government, the federal government 925,000 just fraction less than a million provisional ballots were disqualified in 16 million ballots thrown out. And we know from the MIT and Caltech studies that it's overwhelmingly African American ballots, young people's ballot young people are the biggest victims of provisional ballot rejections. That's one that's changed. The other is mail in voting. Okay, I've said for 12 years now, don't go postal. And by the way, anyone who hasn't mailed in their ballot yet for God's sake, don't. Okay. And because you won't get protection, by the way, from the Democratic Party. That's for sure. And if you have mailed in your ballot, don't. So, first of all, according to MIT 22% of mail in ballots never get counted. That's one in five. That's horrendous. And part of it is that about half the people ask for absentee ballots. Don't get them. I'm going to say, excuse me, half of that number about 10% of people who don't get absentee ballots. 10% of people asked for absentee ballots. Sorry, I got to translate myself in the English 10% of people who asked for mail in ballots. Don't get them. They just don't arrive. Maybe they've been purged, maybe whatever, or they've moved down the street or again they're a student that's moved the dorm room and they didn't notify anyone or they expect it to be forwarded. The other is that one in eight absentee ballots is challenged. You know those boogaloo schmucks in the Hawaiian shirts? Pull watchers, as Trump calls them. Remember, people have this wrong. They're not an intimidation army. You're not going to do a lot. You're not going to be able to intimidate voters. I haven't seen it done successfully yet. It doesn't happen. That's a MacGuffin. Don't worry about intimidation of voters, but you have to worry about what we have a history of in America is intimidation of the vote counters, Joe. That's going to be different this time. When they said stand back, stand by, he keeps saying pull watchers, pull watchers, pull watchers. He's trying to get these people into the polling stations to stop the vote count two ways. One is semi-legally mass challenges of votes. I saw this in Michigan in 2016 when they started doing a hand count of uncounted votes in Michigan, paid for by the way by the Green Party, not the Democrats. And the Republican lawyers and hacks challenged every single Hillary Clinton vote. I mean, every one, which had two effects. It obviously cost her votes because they find some cockamamie thing, an extra mark on the ballot. Someone used a red pen instead of a blue pen. They added a middle initial when they signed their name. They forgot the mail in ballot. They forgot the inside envelope. That's called a naked ballot. That's 100,000 ballots lost to naked envelopes in just Pennsylvania. That's what's coming up this week. 100,000 disqualified mail in ballots for that one gimmick. 100,000 will be lost minimum to postage due. In Ohio, by the way, you're going to need two stamps. Most people don't know that. Kiss your ballot goodbye. I had a radio host tell me proudly that he had already mailed in his ballot way in ahead. And just to make sure it's secure, he scotch taped the envelope shut, which means he just threw away his fucking ballot. And then that's how it works. 141,000 people. This is in 16 had their ballots rejected because of a challenge to their signature. Now, Joe, there's not 141,000 forged signatures. Forgers in America. No one was arrested, but they threw out ballots for supposedly forged signatures. What I'm worried about is those intimidating Boogaloo boys. And here's the last point on this. Go back to 2000. How come Bush's president, how come he won by 350, excuse me, 537 votes? The answer is there was a riot led by Roger Stone. It was called the Brooks Brothers riots. They had consultants and lawyers and and his gangsters on both highly paid thugs go into the Miami Dade clerk's office where they're trying to count the votes and stop the vote count by going berserk threatened to tear the place up. They stopped the vote count because they were scared. The next day, Catherine Harris, the Republican actress who running who was secretary of state, and also head of the bush for president campaign. Can you imagine? Only in America. She said that's it. No more counting. I declare Bush the victor. I'm worried this time that that Roger Stone has been let out of prison for one reason to create 20 Brooks Brothers riots. He's a member now. He's an official member of the Proud Boys and one of their leaders. And what I'm worried about is that we'll have many Brooks Brothers riots, except they won't be wearing Brooks Brothers suits if you've seen these guys. I have pictures of them with their Nazi swastikas, their swastikas, tattoos and the whole thing. I've been down there. I've been with the Proud Boys. In fact, we have someone embedded with them right now. If they start breaking things up, they're told, imagine Roger Stone tweets, there's 10,000 ballots from Venezuela in the Tallahassee main post office. How quickly will that post office burn down? How quickly? And they won't be using, they won't be wearing, you know, Brooks Brothers suits. Believe me. I have photos of these guys. Our guy Zach, you know, has the photos of these neo-Nazis nearly killing, beating a school teacher nearly to death with iron bars and bats. And so that's the type of vote poll watching that we might end up with in this election. I'm very, very concerned because of the mass number of mail-in votes. The chance, if they decide to create mayhem, the chance those votes will be counted is pretty damn slim, Joe. Joe Biden got up at the debate and said, don't worry about your mail-in ballot. It will be counted. Joe, you're going to be a pretty busy guy opening up 6 million ballots in Florida and you've got 11 days to do it. 11 days to do it, which you can do if no one challenges those ballots, but do you really expect that? We will see. I don't know. I pray that we don't have violence, but violence is the key to Trump's reelection. So Bolton will be in a Hawaiian shirt this time. John Bolton who showed up in the Brooks Brothers and none of the rest of us could wear Hawaiian shirts and they've ruined the first. Elizabeth. Thank you, Greg. I was just wondering if you've also looked at the ballot counting, the voting machines themselves as well as the purging of voters from roles. And what did you find if you did? Oh, what I found. I'm not worried about computer voting. There's very little of that left, except in Pennsylvania. Hey, hey, so there you go. But, um, and that made a difference in 16. I am concerned that we have machines that don't function and break down. And they miraculously tend to break down in, again, in African American areas. Like, for example, let's go back to 16. I can only predict that Trump has already stolen 2020 because he stole 2016. Now, how did he win Michigan? In Michigan, in Detroit, Motown, 75,355 ballots were never counted. 75,355 ballots, that's official. And why does that happen? Because 87 voting machines, when I say voting machines, there's scanners in Michigan and many other states you vote by paper think people think, oh, if we vote by paper, it's all cool. No problem. Excuse me. There you vote on a piece of paper, but it's read that paper by a machine, a scanner in most states. Now, the scanners break down. Well, big deal. And here's why it's, who cares? Because there's another machine, which is fantastic, rarely breaks down. It's called the human eyeball. So if a machine kicks it out because they broke down 87 machines again in Detroit, you know, whose votes were those? But then someone has to say, well, let's count those ballots. And in 16, the Democratic Party said, the hell with it. We don't care about those black ballots out of Detroit. That's not our voters. They vote for, you know, we go to them every two years, harvest their votes, but you know, hell. But the Green Party paid for that count that it was stopped by a judge, because only the Democratic Party had the right to count those ballots because Jill Stein would count the ballots 20 times, she would have never won. But the Democratic Party when asked what his secretary Clinton wanted to do said, her lawyer said, we're just here to observe, which was, you know, remember her campaign slogan. And the, but that's the problem is the breaking down of these machines that simply lose the votes don't count the votes and it stops the count of the vote holds up the count of the vote. That's the big danger. I'm worried about some guy in a, in a cave, you know, flicking a switch Lex Luthor saying, we're going to move. They're going to move Elizabeth Voss's vote from, you know, from Howie Hawkins to to Jeb Bush. I'm not too worried about that. I'm worried about something much more serious, which is, and they call it vote spoilage. By the way, 1,913,000 votes to be exact. We're spoiled. That is cast not counted in 2016 with the mail in vote. Five times that we're going to lose at least 10 million ballots will remain uncounted at least 10 million ballots will be disqualified uncounted. Most of those will be mailings. Given all of that, given what you've described, when you have the Democratic Party essentially cheating Bernie Sanders out of nomination twice, then you have a note the Republican Party better able it seems to cheat in the general election. What do you say to voters who have just decided that it's too corrupt to participate in that have just decided not to vote at all. How do you encourage people to vote anyway. I once was asked what do you what do you do to inspire young people to vote who tend not to vote. I said, TRU MP. If you don't have an opinion about that that doesn't mean anything to you screw you anyway. I don't care if you're a schmuck it doesn't want to vote then you deserve it. You know, then then you that you have voted. You have voted. You know, I mean, I, you know, anyone. Look, it's, you know, I was in Selma, Alabama, if you saw my film the best democracy money can buy. You know, I was, I crossed that bridge at Selma, which everyone should do sometime in their life like any pilgrimage. And, you know, Martin Luther King took people 50 miles from Selma to Montgomery. Four people were murdered by the Klan on that March. I'm not asking you to March 50 miles. I'm not asking you like John Lewis to almost get beaten to death. I'm just asking you to wait in line on early voting, fill out your dam if you have to mail in the ballot fill it out carefully and walk it in. I'm asking you, you know, I'm not asking a lot, but I'm not asking you to sit on your ass and be more precious than anyone else. They're stealing your vote because it's valuable. Don't steal your own votes. Someone tries to steal your car. You don't throw them the keys. I think it's nuts when people say, ah, you know, it doesn't matter if it's about they're going to steal my vote anyway. In fact, that's one of the reasons why the Democratic Party hates me. They say when you tell people it's difficult to vote, you're discouraging them. No, I'm leveling with them. Some guy named Barack Obama, you know, that's his alias, Barry Obama. You know, he said in 16 Philadelphia the night before the election, no one takes 15 minutes to vote. He just repeated that bullshit. Yeah, it only takes 15 minutes to vote when the secret fucking service clears out everyone else off the line so you can vote. It's 15 minutes to vote in Georgetown. Now I'm losing Adams Morgan in Washington. That's very nice. Yeah, it's 15 minutes to vote. And in fact, I live in Hollywood. Okay, I'm here with the lobbies. I vote right under the Hollywood sign. And, you know, there's all this controversy about whether, you know, crippled people can get a machine taken to their car so they don't have to crawl out of their car in Texas to vote. But the courts decide they still have to do that. The U.S. Supreme Court said, you know, it's a Texas tradition to watch cripples crawl out of their car to vote. I'm here in Hollywood. I can tell you that the lobbies pull up in their limousines and they carefully bring the machine to them and put it through, hand it to their chauffeur who hands it to them. And that's how they vote here in Hollywood. I kid you not. So, you know, look, it's not 15 minutes to vote. I'll, hats off to Michelle Obama, who did say bring a chair, bring water, bring a sandwich, bring an umbrella, bring gloves, bring sanitizers. And I would add, bring two lawyers with you because it's, you know, you got a problem. Yeah, don't discourage, you know, don't be a schmuck. Vote. A lot of our viewers are outside the U.S., Greg. So I just want to explain that there is no federal election system. It's each state runs their own elections for the president for a national election. Yes. That might seem crazy to a lot of people outside the U.S., even to some people inside the U.S. Now, if you were going to outlaw some of these practices, or let me start this way, are some of these practices like caging and spoiling and cross check. Are they outlawed by any states or they would have to be outlawed by individual states since there's no federal election? Well, there are federal restrictions. And again, as I mentioned at the beginning of the hour, when we, the voting police have, you know, one of the things about vote theft is that you, it's a perfect crime because you take over the police department, and the voting police, which are the civil rights division of the U.S. Justice Department are under Torquemata Bar, right? Our attorney, so called Attorney General, the Grand Inquisitor. And so you're not going to get much justice there. There are laws, the National Voter Registration Act, which, you know, it says you can't just purge people left and right. So these millions of purges, as my lawyers, by the way, pointed out in court in Georgia, where I sued Brian Kemp, the Secretary of State there, successful, to open up his files. And, you know, I said, this, look, what you're doing is a violation of federal law. The Voting Rights Act is still there. It's still a crime to stop people from voting under false pretenses. We have these laws. We have the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. The problem is, is that the voting police are in the hands of the voting thieves. And now the Supreme Court, which has become the White Citizens Council, it's the same thing. You know, so, and you already had, you know, Amy COVID Barrett is the one who's going to make a decision on any dispute over this election. I'm very, very concerned. In fact, I'll be putting out tomorrow with Tom Hartman, a short film on the three ways that they can steal this election if they lose the vote in each state. You know, you've got, you've got some big problems. So do we have national laws? Yes, but we have to enforce them. Do we have crazy rules state by state? Yeah, that's the other problem. And I don't want to say that the solution is, is national voting laws because God forbid, if it's Bill Barr drafting them, and you know, Mike Pence is in charge of voting in America and it's all national elections. Well, you know, I mean, unless you, you know, there could require that you wear a white sheet to vote. Who knows. Could you address Trump's been going on and on again about how there's fraud in mail balloting and they're dumping him in the, in the dumpsters and his name was on the ballots and can you address what Trump's been talking about. I'm sure he's. I think some maybe he is confusing with people want to dump him in the dumpster but the, not his ballot but the. Okay. In how Trump stole 2020 I bring up fraud, you know that the fraud factor I call it a scary a factory. It's people make fun of it but let's not make fun of it. But here's the stat. You're 540% more likely to get hit and killed by lightning than to cast a fraudulent ballot. So let's get that clear. I actually calculated it. The other is that, but why bring it up. I mean why bring it up. The answer is, this is how you win an election because you can say the ballots are fraudulent let's stop the vote count. Again, they did that and it's not like it hasn't been practiced. They literally stopped the vote count in Florida what people do not understand is that when Catherine Harris and the state legislature by the way this is important to know because under article two of the Constitution, we don't have a right to vote. Go ahead try to find me voting in in the Constitution doesn't exist. What we do have is we have we pick electors but we don't even vote for electors. Your state legislature votes for electors. Okay, that's what's in the Constitution. The state legislature of every state has 100% absolute total control over which slate slate of electors is sent to the Electoral College. Now, in Florida, not only did Catherine Harris cut off the vote while 178,000 ballots were left uncounted mostly Jacksonville Miami ballots. Democrats. The legislature passed a law in Florida in 2000 which said no matter what the courts decide. Because the Florida Supreme Court said count all the ballots just so you know the Florida Supreme Court said count those ballots. And the legislature said we're changing the law saying the ballot count stops now. So we had 100% right to do and it was endorsed by the US Supreme Court when it was five for crypto fascists, and now it's 63 crypto fascists. So good luck to all the places that you've been talking about where you've seen problems except maybe Alabama or swing states isn't that right. So I concentrate, you know, it's an investigative reporter why why mess around where there's where there's no conflict and no no chance of some serious interesting violence that we can fill. But look, but so yeah so I look at Florida Georgia, which is a swing state, you know all the Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona we've been around quite a bit and again in the primary in the case of primary united California because of my question is is this only or is it only in swing states, which of course, for those of you who don't know what that is. Those are the states that are not necessarily going to go Republican or Democrat, they get swinging it away and those are the key states to win in the Electoral College with. We know Biden's going to win California in New York and Virginia, and we know Trump will probably well we don't Trump will win some of those midway middle western states and some most of the southern states but we don't know about the swing state this is where we see these tricks mostly cost is that right because they put in just like they put in their effort and money into stealing votes where it matters they. And, but I should also say that, for example the big purge operations happen in about 30 states, almost all them GOP controlled. And so different techniques are used in different states but like for example, it's almost all the restrictive stuff is in is in GOP states because that's where they can make the difference the vicious ID laws etc. California because it's a it's a one state it's you know the People's Republic of California all Democratic. They use different types of tricks to bend the primaries but it is mostly those GOP states and of course they put their effort into into the swing states. By the way, did Joy read interview you about the Democratic parties techniques in California during the primary. By the way, the only the only paper that that covered the theft in California was the Guardian I was ready I was investigating for the Guardian in California so. Across the water, I have to go to have to swim to Britain, or to France to do my reports, you know to be on mainstream to be on your top of your nightly news you know size BBC, etc. But you know it was very strange to be reporting from abroad on elections in my own country so I decided I'd come home. Well they have this addition now the Guardian don't think so. I want to hear. Go ahead. No I'm sorry was good. I was just gonna say I bet I read wouldn't want to hear either about the 200,000 plus voters first in Brooklyn in the 2016 Democratic primary either I mean it just goes on and on and on. Well, you know I mean look, you know, I won't pick on any one broadcast or some of the you know at least I've gotten on to discuss some of these issues for the, you know, and and I will say I've had a lot of again African American media has been pretty straightforward on no restrictions on reporting the facts you know for me you know you can tell by you know I'm investigating report you tell by the hat. But for me it's all about the facts I mean I make a lot of jokes but it's you know for me it's the facts man and those aren't partisan and that's one things that upsets a lot of these outlets. They want me to be, you know they want me to join the party, literally, and and it's very difficult for me to do because you have Democrats with dirty hands to. Am I saying that both parties are the same. Absolutely not that's a silly thing to say and that that that's misleading I don't say it's all the same it's not all the same, but don't ask I as I said beginning the program. Don't ask for political parties. Democrats or anyone else to save your vote you save your vote in fact go to Greg palace calm. You can watch these films on the purge you can watch, which is by the way, thank you Deborah messing for narrating an event, Nicole Brown also. And, but you can also type in condom and get the ballot condom for safe voting. No, you don't slip it over your ballot but you do follow the seven rules to make sure your vote counts that you stay registered in your vote counts and, and again if you've been purged, you're pretty much out of luck except in certain states where you can vote. Register on the day you vote again Michigan, Wisconsin, California, Iowa, and if you're listening right now you just missed the final deadline for registering in North Carolina. There are about eight states where you can register on the spot. Now Greg there's been some Supreme Court decision US Supreme Court decision in the last week or so about states that want to give an extra three days to allow the votes to arrive in other words it can be postmarked three days after the election of the court in one case I think in Pennsylvania allowed it, but they may revisit it after the election as well it seems very messy to me could you explain that what's going on there. Well yeah so you follow rule so the court. So you have a governor or court say lower court say you can, if your ballot comes in after election day it'll still count, and then three weeks after the election say no we change our mind those won't count. That's what happened in Wisconsin, for example, 80,000 ballots were disqualified in the primary because they arrived after election day. And also so it's very dangerous don't assume that any of these rules are giving you a little extra slack are going to stand in Wisconsin for example. The governor said you don't need a witness state you don't need a witness to sign your mail and ballot you know in eight states you got to sign have a witness sign your ballot or an alabam it's two witnesses, or a notary. Okay. So the lower court said no you don't have to have a witness signature it's dangerous in the middle of a COVID crisis. And then after the election, they said none of those ballots won't count that didn't have the witness signature. So be very careful with that the other thing that what I'm worried about with the court's decisions right now. They all are going in the same direction. State's rights state control over voting is in charge, and that's very dangerous precedent I think that that's very strategic Roberts is a really strategic little monkey. And he is by what he's doing is he's voted with the right wing on on certain cases involving voting procedure and with the with the liberals on certain procedures. Why, in all cases the continuing strain is it's up to the states. So he knows when push comes to shove the states like Florida and Georgia. And, you know, those states and the legislatures of Michigan and and with and Wisconsin that they may do some crazy shit. And the court will say as they did in 2000, it's up to the state and the state it doesn't you know the don't forget. Once again, even if now in the case of Florida they had a nice fig leaf that they stopped the vote when Bush was down to just 500 vote margin. If he could have lost by 20,000 votes the legislature said well we don't trust those votes it's fraudulent that's by the way the reason for Trump constantly screaming fraud fraud fraud. They can say well we're not going to count the mail in votes after say Thursday. Everything you know any vote past Thursday is fraudulent, and that's completely up to the state legislature and the court's decisions in the last couple weeks are indicating that whatever crazy shit these legislators do. That's it. You're stuck. Any other questions. Yes, I have one more. We're going to decided to put the link embed your video. Today on our website underneath the video of this. So everybody goes to conservative news to watch this or watching it now about 10 minutes after we'll have that ready so I want everybody to see that. Yeah, this this is a question just about definitions to and maybe we should have started with this but we've talked about purging. And I think you talked about spoiling but some of the other caging is when you move addresses, even if you go overseas. What they do is they send you it's it's it's illegal but that doesn't stop them in 2004 I caught Carl Rove, and it's flunky guy named Tim Griffin who's now Lieutenant Governor of Arkansas. And what they were doing is they're mass mailing first class or sometimes certified letters to black and Hispanic soldiers like the Jacksonville Naval Air Station to Jewish voters in Florida who are snowbirds and they send them a letter in August and they're up in up north. The elderly of Zion they were going after them. Then they were also going after students at historically black colleges sending them letters while they're on summer vacation. The letters of course come back on delivered because they say do not forward they come back on delivered. And they challenge the voter saying that they these people are voting from ghost addresses these people don't live at these addresses that's called caging. And it is against the law that doesn't stop these people that's how one of the keys to George Bush's reelection 2004 and that was directly organized by Carl Rove and he knows it because I've got his emails baby I've got your emails Carl you want to come and get them. You want to go over them with me. I'm standing by. What's what is tossing. How is that different from tossing is like is like well tossing is saying tossing people out of the voting station for things like ID etc. So again we have these crazy ID laws gun license yes student student ID no in Wisconsin and Texas. What about Preston digitizing. That's that's your computerization games. Most of it is not through again through games with the software per se but it is games where the machines are break down they don't give you the passwords they unplug them they put the sensitive voting machines in the middle mid areas and poor neighborhoods. You know, so what happens is like a default once said when machines broke down in Georgia in low income areas they said well these machines weren't made for humidity. Well what do you think Georgia weather is. But it's again in the white areas it's literally in country clubs in golf courses nicely air conditioned, but then in low income areas it's in these places where you have problems, literally physically operating the machines they know what they're doing. An accident. What about cross check has to do with moving people over state borders on buses isn't it something to do with that. Okay so cross check and if you see the little 13 minute film the purge. I go to the Secretary State of Michigan, the Republican at the time in that was after the 16 election, and they had removed 10s of thousands of voters on the grounds that they were voting in two states or registered to vote in two states Well that's a lot there's a lot of people committing the felony crime of voting twice this is a system created by Chris Kobach of Kansas Mr. If you don't remember them just in KKK Chris about Kansas created this list. He said of double voters and in Georgia and now no one by the way our great media in America no one asked for this list of double voters I did. They turned me down I sued I got them I also got some through the back door by the way anyone has confidential documents, go to Greg palace calm contact. I'll protect you as much as I can. And so I got these lists and who are these guys okay five in Georgia loan 567 guys named James Brown. They said it voted twice you know what they found a James Brown in Motown they found James Brown in Baltimore it's hard to imagine that James Brown is all over the damn place. So they removed all these James Browns in Georgia and then they sent the list up to Michigan and they removed the James Browns in Michigan I saw I confronted the. So I they were shocked when they saw that I have the list. Right. So I have the list and I'm saying, okay. And I says you'll see in the film that we just put out in the purge. It's only a few minutes long. It's worth your worth your time. I, you know he says, I said, isn't there a problem. He said we're using the cross check list aggressively I said I see the aggression, but I said now let's see the truth. Look at this list here I've got your list. Look at all these people named Michael Brown, Michael Brown Michael Brown Michael Brown James Brown James Brown James Brown. Does that seem like a problem to you by the way, it's James Thomas Brown supposed to be the same voters James Edward Brown. What. And I said, by the way, what color do you think brown is what color that voter says, Oh, I know some white Browns I saw it's okay then. That's a trick. And so that's cross check cross check. Let's end with probably something you don't want to do a prediction. Are we going to learn on Tuesday night or early Wednesday morning who the winner is. Will it be a wide enough margin to avoid a drag process with violence possibly etc etc. I have no idea one thing I am is I'm invested just the facts man I have an investigate facts what's happened. I'm not very good investigating into the future. Am I predicting could there be violence yeah they're preparing for it. Could there be a long count. Absolutely that's what they want so they can cut it off. Because when you have Republicans voting on the day, and then you start counting the mail and ballots over a week. They can just pull a Florida 2000 and just say votes over remember the presidency has to be this certain unlike other elections because we don't vote for president. And as I say we don't even vote for the electors to let your legislature does. So we vote to advise the legislature to pick electors to choose the president to do that, you have to certify the vote. The legislature has to say we certify this slate of electors. They have to do that in time for the information to get to Washington by horseback remember this is Constitution is not exactly a youthful document. Because the crepit piece of shit but we'll have that's for another discussion later. If we're for the bill of rights hanging off it like sad testicles, it would definitely not be a document we'd want to keep around. We wouldn't want to show it to our children or scare the dogs, especially when it's been being interpreted by Amy COVID Barrett. So I can't predict, but if it goes to Amy COVID Barrett, you're screwed. If it if the if the boogaloo boys show up and start pole watching. We're going to have some ugly results and bloodshed. I'm hoping none of this will happen obviously what prevents it is an overwhelming vote for one candidate or the other. I think it's going to stop it where there's just no grounds and even the even the proud boys lose their juice. Well the polls show Biden is instead to have an overwhelming victory but so did the polls say Hillary Clinton would as well so. Remember 538 those geniuses. Yeah, if you remember 538 said that Hillary Clinton's chance of winning was 97% the morning of the election Trump's chance was 3% she was winning Wisconsin by 6% by the polls and by the exit polls. So you can't you know. Oh Trump is right you can't go by the polls because the polls don't figure the purge the polls don't figure the game the polls know what I've never seen a pollstered exit pollster and I've seen what these guys do not one of them said by the way you said who you voted for were you handed a provisional ballot. If you know if your vote was spoiled how could you know who you pulled, you know who you punched the card for but you don't know if it was ever counted. Right. And again, millions of spoiled about a 1.9 million directly spoiled in precinct ballots spoiled 3 million mail in ballots down the tubes these are in 16 it's all going to be worse this year, much worse, but you can't steal all the votes all the time. The steal by the way, I mean I talking about millions of votes but it still comes down to 4%, maybe 5% this year maybe 6% because of mail in voting problems. That's it. If you can win you know as long as you get that margin over 6% in the swing states. It's going to be clear. The Economist magazine gives now drove on in 99% chance of winning even 3% better than Hillary Clinton. Great. Thank you so much. Where will you be on election night Tuesday night where will you be in a polling station somewhere seeing what's going on or at home. Hopefully not in prison or kidnapped with tape over my mouth with you know the three percenters and the oath keepers at least for a week they'll shut you up right then I'll let you go. No but we're having a live election coverage and we're having an open forum we're going to invite you if you want to pop in. I'm doing I will say I'm doing several but I would I you know look to me and by the way I consortium news is very close to my heart because of the great late Bob Perry. He was my hero and he's the guy who told me when I first began as an investigator before as an investigator reported as investigators is these guys that no one's ever heard of the richest guys you've never heard of you got to investigate called the Koch brothers. So, Bob Perry. If I could only be a third of the journalist he is, I'd be a very happy man so thank you consortium news. Thank you Bob Perry. And thank you Greg Palace. That was Greg Palace speaking about voter suppression. 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